highaltitude.log.20111016

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[00:03] <Darkside> shenki: your rx position has updated
[00:03] <Darkside> so all good
[00:05] <shenki> cool :)
[00:05] <juxta-chasecar> darkside, hear what kind sir?
[00:05] <shenki> im now having trouble getting a full sentence
[00:05] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: its ok
[00:05] <Darkside> we were playing ride of the valkyries over the repeater
[00:08] <shenki> burst
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[00:08] <Darkside> BURST
[00:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[00:09] <Darkside> my goodness that was fast
[00:09] <shenki> that's what she said
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[00:12] <shenki> Darkside: will you catch it? it's speeding up...
[00:12] <Darkside> dunno
[00:12] <Darkside> terry is racing towards it at the moment
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[00:13] <Dan-K2VOL> was this intended to burst so low?
[00:13] <Darkside> nope
[00:13] <Darkside> we expected 20km
[00:13] <Dan-K2VOL> but it had a very high ascent rate didn't it?
[00:13] <Darkside> i'm thinking that the payloa hit the balloon
[00:17] <shenki> hrm, it's going to hit the ground hard
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> -85m/s!
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> oh
[00:22] <shenki> too low, i've lost it :)
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> 8m/s is still quite fast :)
[00:22] <shenki> SpeedEvil: yup, heaps fast. good thing there's not much mass to impact the ground
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if we'll see the bounce on the altitude graph. :)
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> Though it's slowed lots now.
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[00:28] <VK5CP> hi guys vk5cp @ shack (on aux power)
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[00:28] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> Landed on a 'seam' on the google imagery./
[00:29] <VK5CP> I think i can hear balloon in audio but not enough for PC yet
[00:30] <VK5CP> how far is it off 434.075?
[00:30] <shenki> VK5CP: i last heard it on 434.0761
[00:30] <shenki> that was still a km or so up
[00:30] <VK5CP> tnx will move there
[00:31] <VK5CP> i normally cant hear it until 3-4 kms
[00:31] <Darkside> its landed
[00:31] <VK5CP> how long between bursts?
[00:31] <Darkside> VK5CP: landed
[00:31] <Darkside> already
[00:31] <Darkside> it burst at 9.3km
[00:31] <VK5CP> damm missed it!
[00:31] <Darkside> terry is almost at the landing site, check http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[00:32] <SpeedEvil> About 10km from you VK5CP
[00:32] <SpeedEvil> If your location on tracker is accurate.
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[00:32] <SpeedEvil> Stopped at landing site
[00:32] <Darkside> its not acurate
[00:32] <Darkside> :P
[00:32] <VK5CP> speedevel - i am in younghusband
[00:32] <Darkside> ok its still transmitting.. good
[00:32] <Darkside> worst case we can DF it
[00:33] <Darkside> i was worried it'd died on landing
[00:33] <Darkside> antyway
[00:33] <shenki> Darkside: are you the red car?
[00:33] <Darkside> carsickness rising
[00:33] <Darkside> i'm blue
[00:33] <shenki> ok
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> ish landing site
[00:33] <shenki> so terry is there?
[00:33] <Darkside> yes
[00:33] <Darkside> terry is red
[00:33] <Darkside> going offline
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[00:34] <VK5CP> looks like it is near the mannum waterfall, road is blocked off due to 2010 flood, you will need 4wd
[00:34] <VK5CP> i have snags and chicked drummies for post flight BBQ
[00:39] <Darkside> thanks chris
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[00:40] <Dan-K2VOL> someone finally publicly posted the Steve Jobs reading of "Here's to the Crazy Ones" advert http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8rwsuXHA7RA
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[00:42] <VK5CP> can i get a sitrep darkside?
[00:42] <Darkside> terry is near landing site
[00:42] <Darkside> its in a field osmewhere
[00:42] <Darkside> we're heading there now
[00:42] <VK5CP> good
[00:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[00:54] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> It's moving slowly to the car.
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:55] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/5jZk2NTy Payload recovered! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/125374369898840065]
[00:57] <Darkside> its in teh car atm
[00:58] <Darkside> still turned on lol
[00:58] <Darkside> maybe i shoudl turn it off :P
[00:59] <Wil5on> nice Darkside
[00:59] <Wil5on> did it get wet this time?
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: Got any more helium?
[01:02] <Darkside> nope
[01:02] <Darkside> lol
[01:02] <Darkside> we're going to the mannum waterfalls
[01:03] <Darkside> just for fun
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[01:07] <VK5CP> mark - hows it going?
[01:10] <VK5CP> darkside et. al. I am heading back to GH's to collect tower.
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[01:14] <juxta-chasecar_> VK5CP, we're on the way to yours
[01:14] <juxta-chasecar_> for some lunch!
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[01:19] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/dnAZ5Ynj Heading to Younghusband for some rest and relaxation! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/125380250543722496]
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[06:42] <jcoxon> morning
[06:43] <natrium42> hey jcoxon
[06:43] <natrium42> how are you? how did the conference go?
[06:43] <natrium42> i was too busy to tune in :(((
[06:44] <jcoxon> it went really well
[06:44] <jcoxon> it'll be on youtube
[06:44] <jcoxon> looking out hte window it looks like awesome weather to launch in
[06:44] <natrium42> awesome
[06:44] <natrium42> was there a horus launch today?
[06:45] <jcoxon> yeah
[06:45] <jcoxon> quite a short flight from the looks of it
[06:46] <natrium42> i wonder if that was planned
[06:47] <natrium42> did dan manage to connect to ukhas conf?
[06:47] <jcoxon> yeah
[06:47] <jcoxon> worked well
[06:47] <jcoxon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtfJuTvaHxo
[06:48] Action: jcoxon has no helium
[06:50] <natrium42> cool, thx
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[07:11] <number10> morning
[07:13] <fsphil-laptop> hiya number10
[07:13] <number10> another frost
[07:13] <fsphil-laptop> I've not bothered looking outside yet :)
[07:13] <number10> is Nige making coffee and breakfast ;)
[07:14] <fsphil-laptop> hope so lol
[07:14] <fsphil-laptop> I'm here till 12ish
[07:15] <number10> I was just outside sticking a bit of wire onto an old windsurfer mast - must be mad
[07:15] <jcoxon> weather looks perfect for a launch
[07:15] <jcoxon> no helium though :(
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[07:15] <fsphil-laptop> it's a good kind of madness we all have
[07:15] <number10> oh - you back at lavenham area jcoxon?
[07:16] <number10> the wife has asked how long will i be doing didle didle didle didle
[07:16] <fsphil-laptop> wonder what she'd make of dominoex or olivia data modes
[07:17] <jcoxon> number10, nah i'm down in kent
[07:18] <number10> I tried those frequqncies a few times to see if I could hear fom feld hell so I could tune my ear in and practice a decode - I think I was listening the wrong times as nothing
[07:18] <fsphil-laptop> it's not often you'd hear hellschreiber on the air
[07:19] <fsphil-laptop> I like to give it a try now and then, but haven't managed a contact yet
[07:19] <number10> there are some regular broadcasts on a sunday I think - but not sure what part of the world they are from
[07:20] <number10> this is a link jcoxon sent http://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/hellschreiber-frequencies.htm#freqs
[07:21] <jcoxon> number10, what radio do you have?
[07:23] <daveake> jcoxon "perfect weather for a launch", did you say? :)
[07:23] <number10> just an AOR8200 - not as sensitive as an yaesu 817
[07:24] <jcoxon> daveake, looks good down here
[07:24] <jcoxon> trees aren't moving at all
[07:24] <Darkside> ok back
[07:24] <Darkside> hey all
[07:24] <number10> hello Darkside
[07:24] <Darkside> payload all recovered fine
[07:24] <Darkside> is in my backpack
[07:24] <daveake> Looking good here too.
[07:24] <Darkside> performed well
[07:24] <daveake> Nice one Darkside
[07:24] <Darkside> but it burst early
[07:25] <jcoxon> what are the rules about setting up a beacon
[07:25] <jcoxon> actually i'll be operating it so its not really a beacon
[07:25] <daveake> I'm about to load up the cars for the launch
[07:25] <jcoxon> number10, i'll rig up a hell beacon for the day
[07:25] <jackclark> Nice one Dave, watching from Spain
[07:25] <fsphil-laptop> on HF jcoxon?
[07:25] <daveake> Only me and Mrs Dave to launch and chase :p
[07:26] <daveake> So this time she'll have a proper job :D
[07:26] <number10> that would be good jcoxon
[07:26] <daveake> Hiya Jack. How's the sun?
[07:26] <fsphil-laptop> ooch lol
[07:26] <number10> daveake If I can get mobile setup going I may help chase
[07:26] <jackclark> Very, sun like
[07:26] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, could do
[07:26] <daveake> Cool. Call me on 07850 586430 if you want to meet up or co-ordinate
[07:26] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, daytime whats he best band?
[07:27] <number10> OK
[07:27] <daveake> With just the 2 of us I'll probably be driving and using the car pc setup, so I'll be quiet on IRC till we park up
[07:27] <fsphil-laptop> 40m or 20m I think ... for nearish 500km contacts 40m seems better
[07:28] <number10> I'll see how it goes and let you know
[07:28] <daveake> Will take us about 2 hours to get to the rough area
[07:28] <jcoxon> number10, can you do 40m 7Mhz?
[07:28] <daveake> I mean approximate area .... not saying Cambridge is "rough" :)
[07:28] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[07:28] <number10> should be able to jcoxon
[07:29] <jcoxon> okay i'll rig it all up now
[07:29] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Dan Bowen's amateur superpressure improvement talk, video now on Youtube, based on prior meteo research- http://t.co/sny0JZx7 #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/125473374561517568]
[07:29] <jcoxon> we'll just to hellschreiber tx'ing a recurrent string
[07:29] <fsphil-laptop> I don't have a very good antenna for hf here but since I'm fairly close it might work
[07:30] <number10> I dont have an ideal antenna for 40m
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[07:31] <jcoxon> well i'll have a go
[07:31] <fsphil-laptop> hf is weird like that, often works with silly things :)
[07:31] <jcoxon> need to work out how to automate my tx'ing a bit
[07:31] <fsphil-laptop> on the train to london yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tkqzIbSMv0
[07:32] <number10> nice vioew from train
[07:32] <fsphil-laptop> patchy mist looked great
[07:32] <fsphil-laptop> and the orange and blue sky
[07:33] <jcoxon> i've started collecting the videos
[07:33] <jcoxon> on the wiki
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[07:35] <fsphil-laptop> just watching the recording of your bit jcoxon - -sound quality isn't great but image is great
[07:35] <fsphil-laptop> was the web stream recorded?
[07:37] <jcoxon> yeah i think it was too
[07:41] <Darkside> so
[07:41] <Darkside> we think the balloon had a weak point
[07:41] <Darkside> launch video shows the balloon was slightly distended on one side
[07:42] <Darkside> its either that or the payload hit the balloon, due to the short balloon train
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[07:45] <Darkside> haha it descended almost as fast as it rise
[07:45] <Darkside> rose*
[07:54] <Dutch-Mill> Gmorning any info on the BUZZ1 flight ?
[07:55] <number10> daveakes just packig the car and off to launchsite Dutch-Mill
[07:56] <Darkside> i'll fix the tracker
[07:56] <Darkside> anyone have details?
[07:56] <Dutch-Mill> Oke thankz number10
[07:56] <jcoxon> hey Dutch-Mill
[07:57] <Dutch-Mill> Hey James
[07:58] <costyn> morning
[07:58] <jcoxon> Dutch-Mill, missed the ukhas conference yesterday!
[07:58] <Darkside> anyone have any details on BUZZ-1
[07:58] <Darkside> i.e. what i should put on the tracker
[07:59] <Darkside> does anyone have daves phoen number?
[07:59] <Darkside> i could give him a call :P
[08:00] <jackclark> +447850 586430
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[08:01] <Dutch-Mill> ...could not be present I am in a renovation at the moment
[08:01] <Darkside> bah
[08:01] <Darkside> no answer
[08:02] <futurity> Morning. Any launches planned for today?
[08:02] <Darkside> ok tracker is cleared
[08:02] <Darkside> i dont have enough info to put in the stuff for daves launch
[08:02] <jackclark> Bah! He's driving I bet
[08:03] <Darkside> but i have the cambridge wind data being downloaded
[08:03] <Dutch-Mill> I' out for lunch ...SeeY
[08:03] <Darkside> i think he was planning on capping at 40km altitude
[08:03] <Darkside> jcoxon: you have access to spacenearus, right?
[08:03] <jcoxon> Darkside, yeah
[08:03] <Darkside> ok
[08:03] <Darkside> ill try calling him again
[08:03] <Darkside> hopefully he'll coem online
[08:03] <Darkside> ooh now its ringing
[08:04] <jcoxon> okay number10 7.035Mhz LSB
[08:06] <Darkside> ok time to go get some dinner
[08:06] <Darkside> back on later guys
[08:06] <Darkside> dave says he's waiting for gps lock
[08:06] <Darkside> then he'll launch
[08:06] <Darkside> bloody insensitive lassens :P
[08:06] <jackclark> Cheers
[08:07] <daveake> Cheers Darkside :)
[08:07] <daveake> Not every day I get a call from Oz ....
[08:08] <daveake> .... especially from a (current) record holder :p
[08:08] <jackclark> :)
[08:08] <number10> ok - Il tune in jcoxon
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[08:09] <daveake> Minor panic when the Lassen didn't want to get a lock (even time) .... it's happy now
[08:09] <daveake> OK, off to finish getting ready
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[08:19] <futurity> Hi is there a launch planned today? Need another tracker?
[08:19] <number10> daveake is launcing buzz on 434.650
[08:20] <futurity> Cool. Is there an eta on launch?
[08:21] <number10> about 930 - planned but look like he is running late as only just left for site
[08:21] <fsphil-laptop> 9 ISH :)
[08:22] <costyn> it's on the map now
[08:22] <futurity> 10ish bst?
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[08:23] <daveake> OK, about to set off. Launch site is just down the road so it won't take long to get there :)
[08:24] <jackclark> Bon voyage
[08:24] <Darkside> cool
[08:24] <Darkside> wheres the ssdv link?
[08:24] <daveake> Buzz and the Lassen are happy. I put the car PC online a minute ago (thanks to Android wifi hotspot - cheers google)
[08:24] <daveake> lol
[08:24] <daveake> I gotta walk before I run
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[08:25] <Darkside> aww
[08:25] <daveake> It'll make a change if the map works :D
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[08:25] <Darkside> no ssdv on this one?
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[08:25] <daveake> ssdv in a 10g payload ... I guess that's the next target :)
[08:25] <Darkside> :(
[08:25] <daveake> 100g
[08:25] <Darkside> I could do.it
[08:25] <daveake> All I have in this is an 808 crap-o-cam
[08:26] <Darkside> if someone would send me a jpeg cam
[08:26] <number10> jcoxon - I can only hear morse on 7.035
[08:26] <daveake> Right, off now. See y'all later.
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[08:26] <Darkside> we'd send the packets via aprs
[08:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Howard Smith "[UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Thanks"
[08:26] <jcoxon> yeah i've been playing around
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[08:26] <number10> ok
[08:26] <Darkside> bbl
[08:26] <number10> will need to tune into the balloon soon
[08:27] <GW8RAK> jcoxon, are you sending morse?
[08:28] <number10> GW8RAK I think the plan is at somepoint to tx some hell to
[08:28] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, hell
[08:28] <jcoxon> feldhell to be precise
[08:28] <GW8RAK> Morning number10. Solid cw here. will look for some hell
[08:29] <GW8RAK> is this from a payload jcoxon?
[08:29] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, where is a good freq?
[08:29] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, no, my 817
[08:29] <number10> morning - also daveakes sending a baloon up soonish on 433.065
[08:29] <jcoxon> 434.065
[08:29] <GW8RAK> It sounds like there may be a CW contest today. they don't normally get above 7030.
[08:29] <number10> sorry yes 434
[08:29] <GW8RAK> 7038 and above is quiet here
[08:29] <jcoxon> is 40m best?
[08:30] <GW8RAK> For inter G working yes, if you don't have a full licence and can get on 5Mhz
[08:30] <GW8RAK> 80m isn't bad, but can be noisy
[08:30] <jcoxon> 7039Khz then
[08:30] <GW8RAK> Going there and will listen
[08:31] <GW8RAK> There's odd bits coming through, but can't find them on the waterfall
[08:32] <jcoxon> txing now
[08:32] <number10> is it feld hell
[08:32] <jcoxon> yes
[08:32] <jcoxon> it'll chirp
[08:33] <GW8RAK> CW that I'm hearing. Nothing heard
[08:33] <GW8RAK> 5W output?
[08:33] <jcoxon> let me reorganise my setup
[08:33] <jcoxon> antenna could be better placed
[08:33] <GW8RAK> Have you got it set to data mode?
[08:33] <jcoxon> could be massivley improved to tell the truth
[08:33] <jcoxon> give me 10mins
[08:33] <GW8RAK> That goes for all of us
[08:33] <GW8RAK> Wilco
[08:34] <jcoxon> perhaps we should discuss this on #hamaltitude
[08:34] <jcoxon> little OT
[08:34] <GW8RAK> Okay
[08:34] <GW8RAK> Won't get in way of launch chat
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[08:46] <UpuMobile> morning
[08:46] <futurity> Morning
[08:47] <UpuMobile> everyone home safe ?
[08:47] <futurity> Great meet up yesterday, my train was cancelled but got home safely
[08:47] <Darkside> hey UpuMobile
[08:47] <Darkside> our balloon chase was a bit short
[08:48] <UpuMobile> morning Darkside
[08:48] <UpuMobile> what happened ?
[08:48] <Darkside> burst at 9.3km
[08:48] <Darkside> we think the balloon was faulty
[08:48] <Darkside> either that or the payload hit the balloon
[08:48] <futurity> Russell says thanks for the streaming. Found it really useful.
[08:48] <UpuMobile> No problems was it generally ok ?
[08:52] <eroomde> morning al
[08:53] <eroomde> UpuMobile: cheers for yesterday. really enjoyed it
[08:53] <eroomde> i think a pretty overwhelming case for making it a regular thing
[08:53] <LazyLeopard> Any news of the BUZZ launch?
[08:53] <UpuMobile> morning Ed no problems learnt alot
[08:54] <number10> daveake is at launch site with buzz now
[08:54] <eroomde> sorry for my pretty duff advice about shifting discussion to later :o)
[08:54] <UpuMobile> well
[08:54] <LazyLeopard> What data mode's it using?
[08:54] <UpuMobile> all ran over a little, first time learning excerise, I'll sit down with James and work out what to do better next time
[08:54] <UpuMobile> but cheers for your very interesting talk
[08:55] <UpuMobile> annoyingly FMLE crashed when I shut the netbook down and it seems to have lost all the recordings
[08:56] <eroomde> i guess we've got fsphil's?
[08:56] <number10> 434.650MHz USB, 50 baud, 7N2.
[08:56] <UpuMobile> hopefully
[08:56] <Darkside> number10: or just choose 'buzz' from the list
[08:57] <fsphil-laptop> the recording seem fine eroomde and UpuMobile - sound is a bit faint with it being far away, and the screen isn't massively clear
[08:57] <fsphil-laptop> but otherwise fine
[08:57] <fsphil-laptop> encoding james bit now
[08:58] <UpuMobile> ah great
[08:58] <UpuMobile> thanks fsphil if you could upload to Youtube or something
[08:58] <UpuMobile> seem to have lost the recordings from the webcam
[08:58] <UpuMobile> you back in Ireland ?
[08:58] <fsphil-laptop> still at nigeys
[08:58] <UpuMobile> ok
[08:59] <UpuMobile> good luck with launch
[09:02] <jcoxon> UpuMobile, i've started putting links on the wiki to various videos
[09:03] <eroomde> the other nice thing about yesterday is it's got me fired up with lots of ideas
[09:03] <eroomde> lots of interesting talks and chats and food for thought
[09:03] <jcoxon> eroomde, thats the main point of it!
[09:03] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:03] <jcoxon> GW8RAK and I just managed to have a QSL on 40m on hellschreiber
[09:04] <LazyLeopard> I'd assume RTTY, but the dl-fldigi autoconfigure's come up with WF (WTF?) ;)
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[09:06] <eroomde> jcoxon: awesome
[09:06] <eroomde> hell is pretty cool
[09:06] <Darkside> oh dear
[09:06] <LazyLeopard> Ah! I see what it's done. It's selected "Custom" RTTY shift without specifying a value...
[09:06] <Darkside> ahh crap
[09:07] <Darkside> cam someone fix that?
[09:07] <futurity> does anyone know if the payload is transmit tin gon the ground yet?
[09:07] <LazyLeopard> ...and the up-shot is that dl-fldigi tried using a shift of zero.
[09:07] <Darkside> ugh
[09:07] <Darkside> yep i see this
[09:07] <Darkside> i can't fix it
[09:07] <UpuMobile> morning jcoxon no problems
[09:08] <LazyLeopard> ...or maybe something small; I think there were two red lines very close together...
[09:08] <Darkside> i've put a note on the tracker to set shift manually
[09:08] <jcoxon> usually it defaults to 23
[09:08] <Darkside> yeah its defaulting to 23 here
[09:09] <fsphil-laptop> what's it suppose to be?
[09:09] <Darkside> 425 i'd guess
[09:09] <Darkside> safe guess anyway
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[09:13] <futurity> i hear the signal on 425 i think
[09:13] <Darkside> it doesn't appear to have launched yet
[09:13] <futurity> perhaps i'm imagining it i nthe noise
[09:16] <fsphil-laptop> nothing here yet
[09:17] <LazyLeopard> It'd be nice if all launch essential details automatically found their way into the wiki... ;)
[09:18] <Randomskk> hehe
[09:18] <fsphil-laptop> in saying that, I've got two lines 490hz apart :)
[09:18] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: so it's more likely that you'd go to the tracker page and it would show all the details for the current launch
[09:18] <Randomskk> a bit like how the current tracker page sometimes does if it has been updated
[09:19] <Darkside> Randomskk: the shift in habitat is wrong
[09:19] <Darkside> so when you autoconfigure it goes to 23 Hx
[09:19] <Darkside> hz*
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[09:20] <Darkside> can you fix it?
[09:20] <NiegyS> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorning
[09:21] <Randomskk> Darkside: payload?
[09:22] <Darkside> Buzz
[09:22] <Randomskk> should be?
[09:22] <Darkside> 425Hz i thhink
[09:22] <Darkside> not 100% on that
[09:23] <Randomskk> k. updated, wait a bit for cache to expire
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[09:26] <LazyLeopard> I guess I tend to go to the tracker, butthe details there usually just give a frequency and a payload name, so if the autoconfigure isn't spot on you're left guessing. Oh, and th etracker only shows info once the payload's in the field, of course...
[09:28] <futurity> sorry chaps, i was tuned to 434.25 note 425. my rig doesn't tune to outside the HAM bands
[09:29] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: new system will have telemetry details like shift, frequency etc as well (and things like launch site, project name, ...) and will do so near the flight's scheduled time
[09:29] <Randomskk> rather than just once in the air
[09:29] <futurity> *not
[09:29] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: neat
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[09:30] <jcoxon> fsphil-laptop, hows that video coming along?
[09:30] <SpeedEvil> Has the font on the tracker been changed? I found the altitude/... lotsharder to read than on previous launches.
[09:30] <NiegyS> jamesssssssss!
[09:30] <fsphil-laptop> about 10% encoded jcoxon.. my laptop just ain't handling it well :)
[09:30] <fsphil-laptop> editing is done though
[09:30] <jcoxon> haha
[09:31] Nick change: NiegyS -> NigeyS
[09:31] <NigeyS> id crisis :|
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[09:31] <Darkside> hey daveake_
[09:31] <daveake_> OK, launch in 5 mins
[09:31] <fsphil-laptop> woo!
[09:31] <daveake_> Damn car PC is f**cked
[09:31] <futurity> cool
[09:31] <fsphil-laptop> is that 5 minutes ish?
[09:31] <Darkside> daveake_: dl-fldigi will update the shift correctly now
[09:31] <daveake_> Netbook ... Julie will drive so I'll be online :)
[09:31] <Darkside> the backend db had it configured wrong
[09:32] <daveake_> No, real 5
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[09:32] <daveake_> lol
[09:32] <Darkside> daveake_: is the shift 425Hz?
[09:32] <Darkside> as usual?
[09:32] <NigeyS> not a bill 5 minutes ?
[09:32] <daveake_> Yep
[09:32] <daveake_> lol
[09:32] <Darkside> ok daveake_, the autocinfigure in dl-fldigi will work now
[09:32] <Darkside> thanks to Re
[09:32] <Darkside> Randomskk: *
[09:34] <LazyLeopard> Thanks Darkside
[09:37] <Darkside> launch!
[09:39] <futurity> still nothing on 434.650
[09:39] <Darkside> hmm predictions not showing up for me
[09:40] <futurity> may i ask the frequency?
[09:40] <G8DSU> Can see it on waterfall. No decode yet in SW London
[09:40] <daveake_> Launched
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[09:40] <daveake_> 434.65
[09:40] <daveake_> OK, back to house for 5 then we'll be on the road
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[09:40] <fsphil-laptop> nothing yet
[09:40] <fsphil-laptop> in cardiff
[09:40] <jackclark> Nice one daveake_ no prediction on this one?
[09:41] <daveake_> I'll try and get the car up ... that was all set up on the f***ngcar pc of course
[09:41] <daveake_> Prediction ~ Cambridge depending on lift
[09:41] <Darkside> oh wait
[09:41] <futurity> nothing here either and i'm near cambridge
[09:41] <Darkside> thats why theres ni predictions
[09:41] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Getting it.
[09:41] <Darkside> no*
[09:41] <Darkside> i got the wind data for cambridge
[09:42] <futurity> LazyLeopard: what frequency please?
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> 434.650 on dial
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> USB
[09:43] <futurity> yep, nothing here
[09:43] <LazyLeopard> 434651.2 is lower shift, drifting up quite quickly...
[09:44] <futurity> sorry guys i though it was launching from Churchill college Cambridge
[09:45] <Darkside> i'm downloading wind data for daves area
[09:45] <LazyLeopard> 454.650.35 now
[09:45] <jackclark> Cheers
[09:46] <Darkside> daveake_: what are the balloon specs
[09:46] <Darkside> payload weight, balloon size, etc
[09:46] <daveake_> 1 sec
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[09:46] <daveake_> 1600g hwwwooooyeeee
[09:46] <daveake_> 100g payload
[09:46] <UpuMobile> first person to call the police and report a UFO wins 10 UKHAS Conference 2011 stickers
[09:46] <daveake_> 1.2kg neck
[09:46] <daveake_> LOL
[09:47] <UpuMobile> might try recieving from London
[09:47] <UpuMobile> just going back over to friends
[09:47] <daveake_> Oh that would be so sweet
[09:47] <UpuMobile> see if I can get on their roof
[09:47] <Darkside> daveake_: so 39km or so?
[09:47] <Darkside> at least thats what the predictor says
[09:47] <Darkside> but given teh ascent rate
[09:48] <UpuMobile> bbs
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[09:48] <daveake_> Oh that damn car pc ... rebooted twice now it won't boot
[09:48] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[09:48] <daveake_> Might be a fan
[09:49] <Darkside> daveake_: 1.2kg neck lift?
[09:49] <daveake_> Nice clear sky earlier but overcast now.
[09:49] <Darkside> was the balloon floppy?
[09:49] <Darkside> the ascent rate is slooow
[09:49] <daveake_> Yes and yes
[09:49] <Darkside> ahh thats why then
[09:49] <daveake_> oh
[09:49] <Darkside> we found that one out on horus 15.5
[09:49] <Darkside> floppy balloon means increased drag
[09:50] <daveake_> ok. prediction said 5m//s for that neck lift etc
[09:50] <Darkside> it wil probably do that once the balloon fills out
[09:50] <daveake_> what is the rate?
[09:50] <Darkside> about 2.5 to 3m/s atm
[09:50] <daveake_> ok
[09:52] <Darkside> ascent rate is going up now
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[09:53] <daveake_> ccool
[09:53] <daveake_> When we get on the M4 I'll get the car gps set up
[09:53] <daveake_> bit to bumpy on these roads
[09:54] <daveake_> That's the first one I've actually done the inflation on
[09:54] <daveake_> Actually I did all of it :p
[09:54] <daveake_> Almost
[09:54] <GW8RAK> current frequency please?
[09:55] <daveake_> 434.551 on my dial
[09:55] <daveake_> sorryt
[09:55] <daveake_> 434.651
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[09:55] <GW8RAK> Thank you.
[09:55] <daveake_> buympy typping
[09:55] <GW8RAK> Got it
[09:55] <fsphil-laptop> got it on the waterfall
[09:55] <daveake_> :)
[09:56] <daveake_> The ground plane is smaller than usual so that's pleasing
[09:56] <daveake_> gap is down a biut from 425
[09:56] <daveake_> i'll adjust when i'm not being bounced around!
[09:57] <GW8RAK> About 370Hz
[09:57] <daveake_> yeah i see i just casn't use the trackpad yet!
[09:58] <GW8RAK> fsphil-laptop, I was just wondering how you could see the signal in Ireland, but of course, you're not
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> 390hz here
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[09:58] <fsphil-laptop> I get to cheat this time :)
[09:58] <NigeyS> hes cheating graham, slap him :p
[09:59] <GW8RAK> lol
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> too weak to decode
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> got the whip inside the room
[09:59] <fsphil-laptop> heh, video is 15% encoded
[10:00] <fsphil-laptop> it'll still be encoding by the time I get home
[10:00] <WillDuckworth> hey fspil-laptop - what are you using? pitivi?
[10:00] <daveake_> M4 now. I'll get the car locn set up
[10:01] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... some abrupt direction changes in that prediction.
[10:02] <GW8RAK> I see the path predictor is working on the tracker.
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[10:03] <daveake_> chase car should be on the map now
[10:03] <daveake_> just waiting for the map to load
[10:04] <jackclark> Looking good dave
[10:04] <daveake_> slooow ... hurry up please O2 :)
[10:04] <daveake_> cool
[10:04] <GW8RAK> Can anyone else see a matching pair of lines about 1100Hz below the main signal?
[10:04] <Darkside> sounds like an image
[10:05] <GW8RAK> Yes, but I've never seen it before
[10:05] <NigeyS> maybe its picochu ? :p
[10:05] <NigeyS> resurrected..lol
[10:05] <daveake_> I set up a Canon A495 on tripod with CHDK to record stills of the inflation and launch
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[10:05] <jackclark> Nice
[10:06] <daveake_> :p
[10:06] <daveake_> Only "unusual" thing re the radio is the ground plane is the curved base of Buzz's flying saucer
[10:06] <jackclark> Genius Dave :)
[10:06] <Darkside> daveake_: wht pressure sensor are you using?
[10:07] <Darkside> also predictions are up and running
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> Frequency's now drifting down quite fast, and shift has narrowed below 400.
[10:07] <fsphil-laptop> frequency is dropping here- and getting weaker. this whip just isn't cutting it
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> Predictions are cool. ;)
[10:07] <jackclark> Predictions looking good. Landing at Diss, which would amuse the youth.
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[10:08] <futurity> ok tracking
[10:08] <daveake_> Not Suffolk AGAIN .... lol
[10:09] <daveake_> So A12 a better bet than M10?
[10:09] Action: LazyLeopard is using his colinear (whatever dl-fldigi's report might say) as it makes leaving the kit unattended easier...
[10:09] <daveake_> We're doing M4 then M25
[10:09] <daveake_> We'll be needing more petrol!
[10:10] <daveake_> So long as we don't need passports or a boat, I'll be happy
[10:10] <daveake_> Darkside: ScP1000
[10:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> hoping for visual here if I get a gap in the clouds
[10:10] <jcoxon> daveake_, i'd do m11 rather than a12
[10:10] <Darkside> daveake_: ok
[10:10] <daveake_> ok, cheers Jame. btw enyoyed your talk yesterday
[10:10] <daveake_> James
[10:11] <daveake_> enjoyed
[10:11] <daveake_> bouncy tipping
[10:11] <jcoxon> a12 is a lorry road it can be particularly rubbish
[10:11] <daveake_> sun in my eyes too
[10:11] <jcoxon> i've uploaded my slides
[10:11] <jcoxon> link is on hte wiki
[10:11] <daveake_> yeah
[10:11] <daveake_> cool
[10:11] <jackclark> M11 for sure
[10:11] <daveake_> Cheers
[10:11] <Darkside> i didn't have any slides for my talk, given that i wrote it while jcoxon was talking before me >_>
[10:11] <number10> why is it drifting so much
[10:12] <jcoxon> temperature
[10:12] <jcoxon> its -25
[10:12] <Darkside> wow
[10:12] <Darkside> no insulation
[10:12] <daveake_> It's a small payload with very little heat generationj
[10:12] <Darkside> mine hardly got to -10 at this altitude
[10:12] <number10> but others I have watched dont - maybe there is not much insulation in buzz
[10:12] <Darkside> but i guess mine started at 40 degrees on the ground
[10:12] <daveake_> Camera comes on at 30km which might help :)
[10:13] <jcoxon> battV is suffering
[10:13] <daveake_> No, not much
[10:13] <Randomskk> jcoxon: I put slides links inline with talk description for my three
[10:13] <Darkside> daveake_: wasnt it 4.5v?
[10:13] <Randomskk> could move them to your new slides section though
[10:13] <Randomskk> or just have links twice
[10:13] <daveake_> Yes
[10:13] <GW8RAK> I'm not getting any drift, but can only find the one signal at 434.651.
[10:13] <daveake_> 4v seems a bit low
[10:14] <number10> ic! temp inside nearly the same as temp outside
[10:14] <daveake_> tenmp I guess
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[10:14] <futurity> need to go out but it's on 434.6471
[10:14] <futurity> ]
[10:14] <futurity> i'll leave rig decoding the signal
[10:14] <futurity> i suspect it'll drift out of rangth though
[10:14] <fsphil-laptop> signal totally gone here
[10:14] <futurity> ttfn
[10:14] <daveake_> cheers
[10:14] <jcoxon> Randomskk, shall we link them twice
[10:14] <fsphil-laptop> too much of a built up area to receive stuff
[10:15] <Randomskk> sure
[10:17] <jcoxon> daveake_, how many batteries?
[10:17] <daveake_> 3
[10:18] <daveake_> Drifting a *lot*
[10:19] <G8DSU> Dial 644.03 shift about 340 atm
[10:19] <Darkside> uh oh
[10:19] <Darkside> -40 degrees
[10:19] <costyn> daveake_: nice speed you've got on your chase vehicle :P
[10:19] <Darkside> the batteries are not going to like that
[10:19] <Darkside> hahahaha
[10:20] <Darkside> i think the website should cap the speed
[10:20] <Darkside> :-)
[10:20] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, drift is fighting with the auto-frequency control, and missing a line almost every time it jumps, which is every other line at the moment...
[10:20] <Darkside> i made chasetracker just report 0kph
[10:20] <Darkside> my god, -43 degrees
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[10:20] <Darkside> and you're not even in teh tropopause yet
[10:21] <costyn> pretty cool that the predicated path is on the tracker now
[10:21] <daveake_> Blimey he's hard to follow
[10:21] Action: SpeedEvil was about to suggest that clicking the landing point on the map should bring up the time of landing.
[10:21] <Darkside> daveake_: have you tested the cutoff voltage on your payload?
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> Only to discover it already does.
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:21] <jcoxon> i hope its a LDO
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's winter.
[10:22] <jcoxon> could the temp affect the method of measuring hte voltage
[10:22] <Darkside> yes.
[10:23] <Darkside> resistor values will change with temperatoure
[10:23] <daveake_> -48. Poor bugger
[10:23] <Darkside> dunno by how much
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> ooch
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> nippy
[10:23] <GW8RAK> Managed to get a decode by manually tracking the signal across the screen
[10:23] <Darkside> daveake_: you might be setting a record here
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[10:23] <UpuMobile> whats dial frequency ?
[10:23] <daveake_> looks like he's coming down
[10:23] <Darkside> UpuMobile: 434.650-0.001t
[10:23] <Darkside> lol
[10:24] <GW8RAK> 639.2
[10:24] <daveake_> 434.64
[10:24] <Darkside> its drifted HEAPS
[10:24] <G8DSU> 434639.38
[10:24] <Darkside> -49 degrees C!
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> very ooch
[10:24] <UpuMobile> I can hear it
[10:24] <UpuMobile> lol
[10:24] <UpuMobile> drift-o-matic
[10:24] <LazyLeopard> Frequency isn't so much drifting as free-falling...
[10:25] <daveake_> New prediction?
[10:25] <LazyLeopard> 434.638 on the dial at present
[10:25] <jcoxon> bury st edmunds
[10:25] <fsphil-laptop> you did put fresh batteries into it daveake_ ? :)
[10:26] <GW8RAK> drift decreasing
[10:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> If you increase the receive filter bandwidth in modem settings it seems to follow the drift a little better
[10:26] <GW8RAK> almost stable
[10:26] <UpuMobile> yeah getting decodes but so much noise here in london
[10:26] <daveake_> Thanks James.
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, did you have an original of the ukhas conference image?
[10:27] <GW8RAK> Wonder why the drift stopped so quickly
[10:27] <WillDuckworth> so nearly getting it
[10:27] <GW8RAK> ?
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, of both parts
[10:27] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. I wish that bandwidth wouldn't keep resetting to 75 every time something else is tweaked, though...
[10:28] <UpuMobile> yay got a stirng
[10:28] <Darkside> only 5 sats?
[10:28] <UpuMobile> yes
[10:28] <UpuMobile> I have that fsphil
[10:28] <LazyLeopard> Got it set at 160 at the moment...
[10:28] <daveake_> Oh FFS .... I was looking at the pressure reading instead of altitude LOL
[10:28] <daveake_> Thought it had burst LOL
[10:28] <GW8RAK> Drift resumed, but AFC can handle it
[10:28] <daveake_> Life's trickky in a bouncy car!
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, can you email me it or upload it somewhere. I wanna put it at the start of the video, but need to move the logo to fit it into 16:9 screen
[10:28] <jcoxon> the onboard reg will drop out around 3.1v
[10:29] <UpuMobile> I'll have to do it when I get home fsphil
[10:29] <daveake_> I doubled the bandwidth which helps cope with the drift
[10:29] <LazyLeopard> Slight altitude glitch there... ;)
[10:29] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, no worries. I can't encode it until I get home anyway, the laptop is *toooo* slow
[10:29] <Darkside> uh oh, 3 sats
[10:30] <GW8RAK> -53C. Does anyone know what the coldest recorded is?
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[10:30] <fsphil-laptop> temperature increasing
[10:30] <Darkside> i've seen -75 degrees C on a met bureau sonde
[10:30] <daveake_> Yeah ... sats :(
[10:31] <LazyLeopard> Signal strength is waaaay down at the moment here...
[10:31] <Darkside> the problem is the DS18B20s don't report temps <-50 deg C accurately
[10:31] <GW8RAK> One of my customers is going away where -70 is quite common
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> 51c
[10:31] <daveake_> The SCP1000 has temp too
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> -51c even
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> getting warmer :)
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> if you can call that warm
[10:31] <Darkside> looks like its gone through the tropopause
[10:31] <daveake_> SCP1000 is the "internal" temp
[10:32] <Darkside> i wonder how accurate it is at low temps
[10:32] <Darkside> i also wonder what the altitude is
[10:32] <UpuMobile> check cental london listening out : http://imagebin.org/179294
[10:32] <Darkside> i dunno if the standard pressure to altitude models work at these altitudes
[10:33] <jcoxon> no change in altitude on my map?
[10:33] <UpuMobile> satellites I think jcoxon
[10:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> 4 _should_ be enough for altitude
[10:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think the GPS receiver may have hypothermia
[10:34] <daveake_> No alt is stuck at 13344.
[10:34] <jcoxon> junderwood_M0JCU, i've seen it happen before
[10:34] <daveake_> Hmmm
[10:34] <daveake_> Hope it warms up then :p
[10:34] <jcoxon> recovered once it warmed up a bit
[10:34] <daveake_> I HOPE :)
[10:34] <daveake_> Darkside doesn't ;) :p
[10:34] <jcoxon> got pressure data to help out for now
[10:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> not a great signal here considering it's not far away
[10:34] <daveake_> yep
[10:35] <UpuMobile> ok here in all the noise
[10:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> based on the pressure, current altitude is 15.3 km
[10:36] <Darkside> daveake_: be aware your speed is visible on the tracker
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> ooh my home station should be hearing it now
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> what's the dial frequency?
[10:36] <LazyLeopard> 434.636.6
[10:36] <UpuMobile> signal started to show red in my waterfall on this whip
[10:36] <GW8RAK> Well spotted Darkside. We can all comment on daves driving
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> getting strong there
[10:36] <LazyLeopard> ....but it's veeeery faint here at the moment...
[10:37] <LazyLeopard> ...un-readably faint, it seems.
[10:37] <daveake_> Darkside: Not *my* speed ;)
[10:37] <daveake_> Obviously there's a conversion error in the chase car gps ... lol
[10:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> 16.1km
[10:38] <daveake_> ?
[10:38] <daveake_> I only see 13344
[10:39] <GW8RAK> Up 2 degrees on external
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[10:39] <UpuMobile> converting from pressure
[10:39] <daveake_> Ah, thanks :D
[10:39] <rjharrison> Hi all
[10:39] <rjharrison> Good to see many of you yesterday
[10:39] <UpuMobile> morning Rob
[10:40] <UpuMobile> might just disconect off down stairs for a min
[10:40] <daveake_> Mornign Rob
[10:40] <daveake_> Buzz's nuts are frozen
[10:40] <UpuMobile> sat on the roof of our friends place in London
[10:40] <rjharrison> Hey Upu
[10:40] <rjharrison> Hey daveake_
[10:40] <GW8RAK> Why should the altitude freeze yet the other parameters are still working?
[10:41] <LazyLeopard> Four satellites not really enough?
[10:41] <costyn> GW8RAK: not enough sattelites?
[10:41] <rjharrison> GW8RAK I think this happens when there are not enough sat for alt
[10:41] <costyn> should be enough, but apparenlty isn't
[10:41] <jcoxon> yay
[10:41] <daveake_> Weee got an altitude
[10:41] <jcoxon> 5 sats
[10:41] <costyn> maybe they're poorly placed
[10:41] <GW8RAK> Right, external factor, not internal
[10:41] <costyn> 4 on the horizon aren't going to give you an accurate alti
[10:41] <jcoxon> i suspect it was also temp related
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[10:41] <jcoxon> perhaps lassen struggling as too cold
[10:42] <costyn> could be
[10:42] <daveake_> Wonder if it's to do with the titchy antenna
[10:42] <jcoxon> it needs to warm up
[10:42] <fsphil> gps altitude working again?
[10:42] <jcoxon> the next issue is that battery voltage
[10:42] <RocketBoy> (that dosen't sound good)
[10:42] <costyn> daveake_: where are the temp probes located? both outside?
[10:43] <rjharrison> Pis Buzz Pico
[10:43] <rjharrison> Is
[10:43] <jcoxon> its pretty tiny
[10:44] <rjharrison> met balloon?
[10:44] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:44] <jcoxon> i wouldn't trust alt right now
[10:44] <rjharrison> NOTAM?
[10:44] <griffonbot> @steamfire: My amateur superpressure improvement talk at UKHAS, video now on Youtube, based on prior meteo research- http://t.co/oG3e4qQl #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/125522430142840832]
[10:45] <daveake_> costyn ... there's not much difference between inside and outside!
[10:45] <costyn> daveake_: hmm that's pretty cold on the inside then :)
[10:45] <daveake_> Very little heat to warm up the innards
[10:46] <ingersol> buzz now audible in montrose decodes soon
[10:46] <UpuMobile> sounds ine here in Central London
[10:46] <jcoxon> ingersol, thats good range!
[10:46] <UpuMobile> where is Montrose ?
[10:47] <jcoxon> scotland
[10:47] <UpuMobile> nice
[10:47] <fsphil> what's the current dial?
[10:47] <daveake_> Ascent rate looks spot on. That's pleasing :)
[10:47] <daveake_> 434.639
[10:48] <UpuMobile> drifting up
[10:48] <jcoxon> warming up
[10:48] <rjharrison> I can here it here in yorksite
[10:48] <rjharrison> shire
[10:48] <ingersol> i have 434.6396
[10:49] <fsphil> got the signal
[10:49] <fsphil> in cookstown
[10:49] <rjharrison> $`BUZZ,777,30:49:11,51.95872,-0.73329,19819,26,62,-46,-48,6161,6,2.47,5*3F
[10:50] <UpuMobile> hey Rob if you could put the conference pics online that would be great
[10:50] <LazyLeopard> Another fade...
[10:50] <ingersol> correct that 434.6418
[10:50] <UpuMobile> 434.640 here
[10:50] <rjharrison> sure
[10:52] <rjharrison> Yay a full decode
[10:52] <fsphil> getting most of the lines
[10:52] <fsphil> just a bad character here and there
[10:52] <rjharrison> This is on a whip antenna
[10:52] <rjharrison> Watson 2000
[10:53] <UpuMobile> I'm on the rubber one that comes with the radio
[10:53] <UpuMobile> strangly my guests don't have a suitable Yagi
[10:54] <rjharrison> inconsiderate
[10:54] <NigeyS> hey rjharrison :)
[10:54] <UpuMobile> indeed
[10:54] <LazyLeopard> Signal really poor here for some reason or other...
[10:54] <fsphil> lol
[10:54] <daveake_> Stupid guests
[10:54] <UpuMobile> they do howver have a nice roof top garden
[10:54] <LazyLeopard> ...which, given it's only 85kms away, is a bit odd.
[10:55] <G8DSU> guests or hosts - or did they bring the roof with them?
[10:55] <UpuMobile> err hosts
[10:55] <UpuMobile> :)
[10:56] <fsphil> got a decode
[10:56] <daveake_> Fine signal here on the M25,
[10:56] <RocketBoy> my dl-fldigi isn't following the shift (i.e. the AFC not working) - any clues
[10:56] <daveake_> cool
[10:56] <costyn> would be interesting to not only graph the altitude but also other parameters in the second tab
[10:56] <costyn> (feature request) :)
[10:56] <fsphil> my AFC was too slow to follow it on that last increase of frequency
[10:56] <RocketBoy> the green AFC light is on
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> It's better now, but still a lot fainter than it was earlier in the flight.
[10:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, under modem, you set the AFC speed
[10:56] <daveake_> RocketBoy try setting a wider filter
[10:57] <jcoxon> yay batt voltage increasing
[10:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> the dl-fldigi radio autotune seems to have packed up, though
[10:57] <fsphil> very wobbly signal
[10:57] <UpuMobile> yeah getting that
[10:58] <UpuMobile> the distance indl-fldigi is that across ground or a straight line from me to payload ?
[10:58] <jcoxon> ground
[10:58] <UpuMobile> thx
[10:58] <daveake_> jcoxon yay :)
[10:58] <daveake_> Whatever else happens, I think threre' some interesting data here re payloads with f-all insulation :p
[10:59] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/6.jpg baha, terry caressing the payload for one last time before launch
[10:59] <LazyLeopard> The autotune seems to work in one direction, but doesn't cope with a change in direction, and doesn't like manual intervention at the radio...
[10:59] <ingersol> yo two green decodes!!! even more if the wind would stop turning the beam
[10:59] <UpuMobile> there is a payload there Darkside ?
[10:59] <LazyLeopard> daveake_: Yep. ;) Expect a wild ride!
[10:59] <RocketBoy> junderwood: fiddled with that - no difference - what have other people set thats working?
[11:00] <Darkside> UpuMobile: http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/7.jpg
[11:00] <fsphil> decoding again yay
[11:00] <GW8RAK> 9 listeners currently decoding
[11:00] <UpuMobile> bag with paper in :)
[11:00] <daveake_> :)
[11:01] <Darkside> heh
[11:01] <Darkside> it worked fine!
[11:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, 370 shift. Fast AFC (V. Fast not available), receive filter BW 139
[11:01] <costyn> is the frequency going all over the place because the transmitter is so cold?
[11:02] <Darkside> yes costyn
[11:02] <Darkside> well, due to temperature changes anyway
[11:02] <costyn> ok yes
[11:02] <RocketBoy> junderwood_M0JCU: cheers
[11:03] <jcoxon> ingersol, what range does dl-fldigi say you are?
[11:04] <UpuMobile> right I'll have to go pay some attention to the wife and hostd
[11:04] <UpuMobile> hosts
[11:04] <UpuMobile> good luck !
[11:04] <daveake_> Thanks !!!
[11:04] <daveake_> Enjoying this :)
[11:05] <daveake_> Glad the car PC packed in ... no chance Mrs Dave would have coped with keeping tuned in
[11:06] <ingersol> jcoxon where do i look for that? i am getting greens but they are not showing up on the tracker!
[11:07] <fsphil> great signal now that it's stabilised
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[11:07] <fsphil> ish
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[11:07] <RocketBoy> I wish to report an fl-digi bug - http://imagebin.org/179296 - its been doing it for a couple of flights for me now
[11:08] <jcoxon> ingersol, have you clicked autoconfigure
[11:08] <ingersol> aha i see...526km
[11:08] <rjharrison> where are you intersol
[11:08] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, whats the bug?
[11:08] <jcoxon> also there is a bug tracker on git hub
[11:09] <RocketBoy> in the afc
[11:09] <futurity> Back, and tracking again
[11:09] <ingersol> im on the north east coast of scotland near montrose...i'll re-autoconfigure and see what happens
[11:09] <jcoxon> ingersol, only need to do that once
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[11:10] <ingersol> ok lets see what happens now, autoconfigure reset the shift to 23!
[11:11] <Darkside> refresh the payload list
[11:11] <Darkside> or restart dl-fldigi
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> Ah well, time I headed out. Radio may or may not continue monitoring, depending on performance of frequency control and so on...
[11:11] <costyn> heh... it's saying 'bah' to the predicted path :)
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[11:13] <ingersol> so close..$$BUZZ,872,11:13:15,51.95459,-0.70839,27988,35,94,(33,-38,1943,10,3.63,5*07
[11:14] <futurity> very cool how the predicted route changes :)
[11:14] <rjharrison> futurity that way it's always right in the end :-)
[11:14] <futurity> yes :)
[11:15] <futurity> great for the chasers
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[11:16] <futurity> what shift are people using right now?
[11:16] <G8DSU> 345 here
[11:17] <GW8RAK> 330, but 340 would be nearer
[11:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> 370 working for me
[11:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> just keep the filter bandwidth big
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[11:20] <ingersol> a green one $$BUZZ,892,11:18:21,51.94170,-0.67876,29926,27,167,-33,-35,1419,9,3.71,5*07
[11:22] <GW8RAK> Your first decode ingersol?
[11:22] <ingersol> yes but they are not appearing on the tracker. I have reconfigured so not sure what I'm doing wrong
[11:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> ingersol, do you have upload enabled?
[11:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> (online)
[11:24] <GW8RAK> After the first one, you'll be hooked
[11:25] <rjharrison> In the CL Client menu online should be ticked
[11:25] <ingersol> i've tracked others with no problem so don't know what i've done wrong today.
[11:27] <fsphil> brb, heading for the train station
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[11:30] <UpuMobile_> test
[11:30] Nick change: UpuMobile_ -> UpuMobile
[11:31] <costyn> getting positively balmy up there
[11:31] <ingersol> on its way down
[11:33] <costyn> seems so
[11:34] <rjharrison> ping DanielRichman
[11:34] <DanielRichman> hi
[11:34] <ingersol> max alt...$$BUZZ,944,11:31:30,51.93[vX.48044,34663,118,90,-23<-27,838,8,3.43,5*E......34663?
[11:34] <rjharrison> I seem to have load the notam_and_restrict.kml off nessie
[11:34] <rjharrison> The kml_testing dir
[11:34] <rjharrison> Has it been erased?
[11:35] <DanielRichman> I didn't copy the kml testing stuff from nessie, no. I didn't realise you still used it
[11:35] <DanielRichman> sorry
[11:35] <rjharrison> Yep that does the notam overlays on the pred and tracker
[11:35] <rjharrison> Can we have it back?
[11:36] <DanielRichman> sure, one second
[11:36] <rjharrison> new google.maps.KmlLayer('http://www.habhub.org/kml_testing/notam_and_restrict.kml', {preserveViewport: true});
[11:37] <ingersol> cracking s7 signals up here just sorry I was unable to upload decodes... good flight.
[11:37] <DanielRichman> rjharrison: can I rm kml_testing/notaminfo.com?
[11:38] <rjharrison> humm can I have a quick look in there
[11:38] <rjharrison> and I'll claen up
[11:38] <rjharrison> i'm on kraken atm
[11:38] <DanielRichman> k lemme just fix permissions
[11:38] <futurity> shift please
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[11:40] <rjharrison> chown rharrison :-)
[11:41] <DanielRichman> rjharrison: it looked like you got an email every day when it updated the KML; do you still want that?
[11:41] <rjharrison> no
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[11:41] <DanielRichman> mkay Imma silence that and add the cronjob under user www-data
[11:41] <rjharrison> sure probably should move it out of testing dir too
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[11:42] <daveake> Damn internet
[11:42] <UpuMobile> burst ?
[11:42] <daveake> #Anyway .... on its way down
[11:42] <daveake> Likely landing posn?
[11:43] <daveake> cutdown hasn't triggered
[11:43] <daveake> Either burst or broke
[11:44] <ingersol> lost reception at 21115m see you all next time.
[11:44] <futurity> not having much luck tracking this time
[11:45] <futurity> drifting like mad ;)
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[11:46] <futurity> getting a pulsating pattern on dl-fldigi. is it spinning?
[11:46] <Darkside> i bet it's tumbling
[11:46] <daveake> Anyone got a landing prediction?
[11:46] <futurity> signal stronger now
[11:47] <futurity> the map says Cottenham
[11:47] <futurity> just north of Cambridge
[11:47] <Darkside> i font trust that
[11:47] <Darkside> dont
[11:47] <futurity> i suspect it'll be much closer to the current position
[11:47] <futurity> between Shillington and Shefford
[11:48] <GW8RAK> Temperatures plummeting on the descent
[11:48] <futurity> which field is temperature
[11:48] <futurity> see it
[11:48] <RocketBoy> any suggestions why is the landing spot changing so much?
[11:52] <futurity> drift slowing
[11:54] <daveake> Can someone suggest where we head to plz
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[11:54] <futurity> tracker says waterbeach
[11:55] <futurity> from tracker i'd go to Milton Tescos
[11:55] <futurity> from there you can choose the right road to go north from
[11:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> A10 or A14 north of Cambridge both look good
[11:55] <costyn> intersting pressure reading btw
[11:55] <futurity> tracker just shifted to Girton,
[11:55] <daveake> Cheers
[11:55] <futurity> from where
[11:55] <costyn> oh wait... normal is 100k Pa isn't it
[11:56] <futurity> you are. Head to Duxford and then up the m11
[11:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> costyn, why? Looks about right for the altitude
[11:56] <jackclark> Nice job daveake
[11:56] <futurity> track has predictions moving west
[11:56] <costyn> junderwood_M0JCU: my bad
[11:57] <Laurenceb_> landing on cambrudge XD
[11:57] <daveake> :D
[11:57] <futurity> may still land at the Churchill launch site
[11:57] <daveake> LOL
[11:57] <daveake> My plan all along :D
[11:57] <futurity> how long until landing?
[11:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> 30 mins
[11:57] <futurity> i need to pop out, but i'm the closest fixed based tracker
[11:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> I should have it down to about 1500 m
[11:58] <futurity> won't be back by then
[11:58] <futurity> i'll leave kit on tracking though
[12:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> daveake, prediction is heading back towards Bedford. A428 looks good
[12:01] <futurity> I'd head up M11 and then across A603
[12:02] <futurity> as perdition moving south
[12:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> Descent speed is increasing. That isn't supposed to happen :)
[12:02] <futurity> you could go all the way over to Royston and up
[12:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> Agrred. Ermine way looks good
[12:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> s/Agrred/Agreed
[12:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> This is silly. I'm having to retune >1 kHz per string.
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[12:05] <RocketBoy> the landing spot keeps moving further and further back
[12:05] <daveake> !!
[12:05] <Darkside> daveake: no matter what, you're goin gto want to keep on going along the A505 and then up the A1198
[12:06] <Darkside> its the only way you'll get near it in time
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[12:06] <rjharrison> almost made it to ears
[12:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> Descent speed isn't really slowing. I think there's a lot of balloon interfering with the parachute
[12:08] <rjharrison> Looks like it's going to be a nice safe landing
[12:08] <WillDuckworth> rapid one at that
[12:08] <Darkside> hmm his position hasnt updated for a while
[12:09] <Darkside> haha 126kpg
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[12:09] <Darkside> kph*
[12:09] <RocketBoy> junderwood_M0JCU - I thionk your right - perhaps the chute is twisting up
[12:09] <Darkside> whats the speed limit on the M11?
[12:09] <daveake> dunno
[12:09] <daveake> lol
[12:09] <Darkside> isn't it 70?
[12:10] <rjharrison> km/h
[12:10] <daveake> 70 thingies
[12:10] <Darkside> 70 mph
[12:10] <daveake> OK reaching A603 jn
[12:10] <rjharrison> 112
[12:10] <rjharrison> 120 ~= 80
[12:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> daveake, need to follow A603
[12:10] <RocketBoy> looks like a safe place to land anyway
[12:10] <daveake> OK
[12:11] <Darkside> rjharrison: 126kph = 77mph
[12:11] <daveake> :)
[12:11] <daveake> I'll have a word
[12:11] <daveake> That's far too slow
[12:11] <WillDuckworth> watch out for that airfield....
[12:11] <daveake> lol
[12:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> at least the frequency seems to have stabilised
[12:11] <daveake> yes
[12:12] <daveake> OK, so why does the map show a place called "North East Cambridge" that's West of Cambridge?
[12:13] <rjharrison> lol ... Looks treey atm
[12:13] <Randomskk> daveake: cambridge reality distortion field :P
[12:13] <daveake> I've done "sea". "Tree" is next
[12:13] <daveake> ah lol
[12:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> 3000ft. signal OK
[12:14] <Randomskk> same reason weeks start on thursday, mayweek is in june, triposes have two parts and also four years, etc
[12:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oops. Gone
[12:14] <daveake> Makes perfect sense
[12:14] <Randomskk> yup
[12:15] <RocketBoy> daveake: take some photos of the chute for me (looks like a tangle of some sort methinks)
[12:15] <daveake> Will do
[12:15] <daveake> It wasn't one of yours :D
[12:16] <daveake> ok signal gone here
[12:16] <Darkside> daveake: got a yagi?
[12:16] <daveake> Yep
[12:16] <rjharrison> You're safe anyhow
[12:16] <daveake> :)
[12:16] <Darkside> sounds like you might need to do some DFing
[12:16] <Darkside> especially if you have a lassen :P
[12:16] <daveake> LOL
[12:17] <rjharrison> B1046 has two farms on it I'm betting one of those is the land owner
[12:17] <daveake> Last I got:
[12:17] <daveake> $$BUzZ,1115,12:15:13,52.36 56,-0.90656,00377,14,61,9,10,98762,4,4.30,5*03 $$BmZ,1116,12:15:28,52.16070,-0.10553,00272,18,85,10,10,99991,4,4.31,5*32
[12:18] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[12:18] <Darkside> second coords seems good
[12:18] <daveake> Anyone get anything better?
[12:18] <Darkside> definitely in a field :-)
[12:19] <daveake> D:
[12:19] <daveake> :D
[12:19] <daveake> Will put those in the car sat nav now
[12:19] <Darkside> it wont help
[12:19] <Darkside> :P
[12:20] <Darkside> the coord is a fair way away from teh road
[12:20] <rjharrison> you need to turn right at wimpole along a1198
[12:20] <daveake> ok give me a place name then
[12:20] <daveake> ok
[12:20] <NigeyS> hope you like field walking dave..lol
[12:20] <rjharrison> longstowe
[12:20] <daveake> lol
[12:21] <rjharrison> daveake are you parked at orwell atm?
[12:21] <daveake> didn't notice!
[12:21] <daveake> just stopped so i could work the sa\t navg
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[12:22] <daveake> lgng top longstowe sapp 6 miles
[12:22] <rjharrison> ok well you can keep going if you like and turn right at the cross roads
[12:22] <rjharrison> Roundabout actually
[12:22] <daveake> thinkk I caqn just hear it via the magnmount
[12:22] <daveake> bumpy road lol
[12:23] <rjharrison> ok at roundabout take third exit
[12:23] <daveake> cheers
[12:24] <daveake> done
[12:24] <NigeyS> gonna be on ure left in 1 of those fields
[12:24] <rjharrison> ok five mins you will get to longstowe
[12:24] <daveake> tvm
[12:25] <NigeyS> rjharrison, how's ure legs today? !
[12:25] <rjharrison> Fine :-)
[12:25] <NigeyS> bah im just unfit lol :(
[12:25] <rjharrison> After the 4 floors
[12:25] <NigeyS> 10 pizzas are heavy!
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[12:26] <NigeyS> phiiiiiiiiiil
[12:26] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil-train
[12:26] <fsphil-train> yo yo
[12:26] <NigeyS> oioi, got a ticket this time? lol
[12:26] <fsphil-train> yes ;)
[12:26] <NigeyS> :p
[12:26] <rjharrison> daveake you still with us
[12:26] <fsphil-train> though technically I'm on the wrong train, but ah well
[12:27] <rjharrison> chase car not updating
[12:27] <fsphil-train> oh buzz is down!
[12:28] <jackclark> Holy cow, I thought that was a runway dave crossed. Nice pad.
[12:28] <rjharrison> ok take next left to longstowe
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[12:29] <rjharrison> Missed it
[12:29] <rjharrison> daveake hold your horses dude
[12:30] <daveake> ok
[12:30] <daveake> Stopped#
[12:30] <daveake> Nothing with the yagi
[12:30] <rjharrison> go back and take the next right to longstow
[12:31] <rjharrison> daveake that's good
[12:31] <daveake> cool
[12:31] <rjharrison> It's on the ground
[12:31] <daveake> Mrs Dave was going to :)
[12:32] <rjharrison> Ok keep going and i will tell you wne to stop
[12:32] <rjharrison> Do you have a mobile numbr
[12:32] <daveake> 07850 586430
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[12:35] <UpuiPhone> payload recovered ?
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[12:37] <jackclark> I don't believe so
[12:38] <jackclark> But it's not in the sea, which is nice.
[12:38] <UpuiPhone> yeah thats always a bonus :)
[12:39] <rjharrison> They are hear atm http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=52.166393,-0.101885&hl=en&sll=52.166999,-0.099763&sspn=0.006295,0.016094&num=1&t=h&vpsrc=0&z=16
[12:39] <rjharrison> here
[12:39] <rjharrison> paload is here http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=52.16069,-0.10443&hl=en&ll=52.161363,-0.103619&spn=0.012742,0.034397&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.285886,70.444336&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16
[12:40] <UpuiPhone> ok cool will check back later
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[12:42] <Darkside> hey a new decode
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[12:51] <futurity> only about 20 minutes drive from my ouse
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[12:52] <futurity> do you need a hand trying to find it?
[12:52] <futurity> actually only 10-15 minutes drive away
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[12:53] <jackclark> I'm sure Dave would appreciate a hand.
[12:54] <Darkside> he'll probably have it by now
[12:54] <jackclark> Hope so
[12:54] <Darkside> lookes like he can just walk straight to it, maybe over a fence or two
[12:54] <jackclark> Nice
[12:54] <futurity> yep should be fairly easy to find
[12:54] <futurity> by the time i get there i'm sure he'd have it
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[12:55] <futurity> looks like there is a track to the south of the landing site
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Congrats
[12:55] <futurity> but they are on the itehr side
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> (in advance)
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[13:15] <nosebleedKT> well
[13:15] <nosebleedKT> SpeedEvil r u here?
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[13:15] <nosebleedKT> got dome binary question
[13:15] <nosebleedKT> :)
[13:15] <nosebleedKT> some*
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> LH = 0x00;
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> LL = 0x80;
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> If your question is entertaining, or you paypal me money, or send me interesting chocolates.
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> thats gives 128
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> eee, stop!
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> listen
[13:16] <nosebleedKT> LH and LL are bytes
[13:17] <nosebleedKT> i want to represent 256 dec
[13:17] <nosebleedKT> with those two bytes
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Right.
[13:17] <nosebleedKT> thats the question !
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> The more sigificant byte is simply number/256
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> (as an integer)
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> (rounded down)
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> The less significant byte is originalnumber - (256* most-significant byte)
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> Or originalnumber %256
[13:18] <nosebleedKT> can you tell me the values for LH and LL?
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> The range of one byte is 0-255
[13:19] <nosebleedKT> y
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> So - given that 255 is 'FF' - what must the two bytes be?
[13:19] <nosebleedKT> i can fit 256 dec in 1 byte ?
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> No.
[13:19] <nosebleedKT> no
[13:19] <nosebleedKT> ok
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> You can go 0-255
[13:19] <nosebleedKT> ok
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> Or 1-256 if you use an alternate encoding. Or indeed 100-355
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> But normally - 0-255
[13:20] <nosebleedKT> LH = 0x01 and LL = 0xFF
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> LH is 'worth' 256* LL
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[13:20] <SpeedEvil> So, what is LH*256 +LL?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> It's like decimals
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> you go
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> 00 01 ... 09 10
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> It's just you have 'numbers' with 256 values from 0-255, not 0-10
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> 0-9
[13:30] <nosebleedKT> is this correct?
[13:30] <nosebleedKT> LH = (256 >> 8) & 0xFF;
[13:30] <nosebleedKT> LL = (256 >> 0) & 0xFF;
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[13:35] <nosebleedKT> its LH = 0x01
[13:35] <nosebleedKT> and LL = 0x00
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[13:39] <rjharrison> Payload recovered
[13:41] <NigeyS> yey \o/
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[13:46] <jackclark> Nice
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[13:47] <daveake> Afternoon :)
[13:48] <daveake> Thanks everyone for helping.
[13:48] <daveake> Keeping the tracker locked in was almost a full time job, so well done everyone who managed that!
[13:48] <costyn> daveake: congrats
[13:48] <daveake> Special thanks to Rob for phoning and giving guidance on finding the field
[13:49] <daveake> Payload intact. Parachute very tied up. Camera took photos and video but not great quality. Looks like the lens was a bit frosty
[13:51] <futurity> great news that its recovered
[13:51] <rjharrison> daveake your welcome loads of people have donr that for me
[13:51] <daveake> Yes :)
[13:51] <daveake> We had a great signal when we got to the nearby road.
[13:52] <daveake> Buzz was the right way up and the GPS was still updating
[13:53] <daveake> Oh, and thanks to Number10 who turned up in his car as we were getting ready to trek across the fields :)
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[13:58] <daveake> Hey Jack. I got him back :)
[13:59] <jackclark> Cracking job.
[14:00] <daveake> Didn't get to the altitude I was expecting, and the tracking was difficult because of the rapid temperature changes, but otherwise I'm very please.
[14:00] <daveake> d
[14:02] <jackclark> I bet you are mate, stylish looks and did the job. Win.
[14:03] <jackclark> If you're working in Spain we'll order a new chute :)
[14:07] <daveake> :)
[14:07] <daveake> I'll let you know on that ... :p
[14:07] <daveake> Anyway, off home. Later.,
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[14:13] <danielsaul> priyesh: Just order it!
[14:13] <danielsaul> We'll work out how to waterproof it when we get it
[14:13] <danielsaul> Like covering it with epoxy or something
[14:14] <danielsaul> argh
[14:14] <danielsaul> wrong room
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[14:19] <NigeyS> anyone know the weight of 3 lithium aa's ?
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> its in the datasheet
[14:21] <NigeyS> ahh kk cheers
[14:22] <NigeyS> 14.5 gms each? :O
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> they are much lighter than normal alkalines
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[14:24] <NigeyS> true, but this is for a pico, i cant use 3 of them on that, that'll be way to heavy :(
[14:25] <NigeyS> will have to find a way to insulate the lipo better i think
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[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> aaah airports
[14:29] <fsphil-laptop> gotta love 'em
[14:30] <Laurenceb_> dont tase me bro
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[14:30] <NigeyS> eyup phil
[14:30] <fsphil-laptop> g'day NigeyS -- things returning to normal there? :)
[14:31] <NigeyS> lol laurenceb
[14:31] <NigeyS> fsphil-laptop, slowly..lol
[14:31] <NigeyS> laurenceb did you spot the blue teddy bear appear at the conference?
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[14:33] <fsphil-laptop> the train didn't go to temple meads, went to bristol park way. they had a replacement bus the rest of the way
[14:33] <NigeyS> eugh thats annoying
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> I got on the earlier train, nobody noticed
[14:34] <NigeyS> dont blame ya
[14:34] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/71a5g2
[14:34] <NigeyS> lols!
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> mmm I should bring yoshi next time
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[14:38] <MikCx> Can anybody give assistance with CHDK&?
[14:39] <MikCx> I'm struggling to find a way to switch from taking Photos to then take a video, then loop...
[14:39] <MikCx> Anyone done anything similar before?
[14:40] <fsphil-laptop> I'd be interested in that too
[14:41] <MikCx> So far, I have managed to write a script to switch the flash off, then the LCD, and to flash the indicator LED to let me know the script is running...
[14:41] <MikCx> &it then beeps 5 times to start the 5 minute countdown, then 4 beeps at 4 minutes and so on.
[14:42] <MikCx> The Autofocus is locked to infinity, to avoid the camera trying to refocus, or messing up if I have any himidity/freezing on the lense&
[14:43] <MikCx> &all this is working fine, but I just cannot seem to find a way to switch to Video after taking the batch of photos.
[14:45] <fsphil-laptop> I can only remember people doing video or pictures, but not both
[14:48] <fsphil-laptop> grub time, brb
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[14:49] <RocketBoy> MikCx: I'm reasonably sure its been done
[14:50] <MikCx> Me too - I have read a tonne of pages / scripts etc& and it seems as though it has been done using SDM, which I think is an offshoot of CHDK.
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Someone was commenting that they were doing it about last week
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> (here)
[14:52] <MikCx> Problem being that although I understand uBASIC (and can cobble together a rough script), I'm a bit lost with LUA
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2832
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[15:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> MikCx, you need a special build of CHDK. It won't do it out of the box
[15:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think rjharrison has one on his web site somewhere
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[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> was buzz recovered?
[15:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> yes
[15:16] <fsphil-laptop> excellent
[15:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> daveak, 14:40 Payload intact. Parachute very tied up. Camera took photos and video but not great quality. Looks like the lens was a bit frosty
[15:18] <fsphil-laptop> aah
[15:19] <fsphil-laptop> so no water or trees :)
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[15:53] <number10> Buzz recovery pictures http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157627906790438/
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[15:57] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold"
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[15:58] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold"
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[16:02] <UpuMobile> afternoon
[16:03] <futurity> Hi
[16:03] <futurity> Balloon landed quite close to my house
[16:03] <UpuMobile> Did Buzz get recovered ?
[16:03] <futurity> yep, photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157627906790438/
[16:05] <UpuMobile> nice one
[16:05] <UpuMobile> love the payload shape
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[16:05] <futurity> Nice flying saucer design
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[16:05] <RocketBoy> nasty tangle though
[16:05] <staylo> Just 1km off a perfect touchdown at Gransden Lodge airfield ;)
[16:05] <UpuMobile> well seemed to be a safe landing area
[16:06] <RocketBoy> a bit of balloon left
[16:06] <futurity> Lots of fields round this way
[16:06] <futurity> with low hedges. very few trees
[16:06] <RocketBoy> anyone know what balloon it was?
[16:06] <UpuMobile> didn't weigh much either was it a very small parachute ?
[16:06] <UpuMobile> 1600g Hwoyee wasn't it ?
[16:06] <UpuMobile> might be wrong
[16:06] <futurity> just seen the tangle of string. Does anyone know if that happened up in the air, or on the ground?
[16:07] <NigeyS|> ouch very tangly, alot smaller than i thought to
[16:07] <UpuMobile> didn't get to 1600g Hwyoee heights
[16:07] <RocketBoy> and what the chute was
[16:07] <UpuMobile> Ah Nigey
[16:07] <UpuMobile> explain the cuddly toy at conference pls
[16:07] <RocketBoy> I'm pretty sure the tangle happened on the way dow
[16:07] <RocketBoy> down
[16:07] <RocketBoy> I was looking at the descent rate at 30Km, 20km & 10Km and 5Km
[16:08] <futurity> impressed that it didn't tangle the parachute strings
[16:08] <RocketBoy> converting the descent rate at those alts to what the landing speed would be it just got faster and faster as it came down
[16:09] <NigeyS|> haha upu you spotted giggles!
[16:09] <NigeyS|> he was my unofficial mascot :p
[16:09] <UpuMobile> well no choice you asked me to put it next to the screen :)
[16:09] Action: SpeedEvil suspects that the proper rights for that map have not been obtained.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:09] <RocketBoy> suspect it was spinning and twisting up
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[16:12] <number10> I leant one lesson today - trying to locate a ballon on your own while mobile, with no internet connection - is near on impossible
[16:12] <number10> learned
[16:12] <daveake> :)
[16:12] <NigeyS|> RocketBoy, i'll do the picochu 2 write up later tonight, with the measurements etc
[16:12] <daveake> Evening #10 :)
[16:13] <number10> did you se the pics daveake http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157627906790438/
[16:13] <RocketBoy> NigeyS|: looking forward to it
[16:13] <daveake> Nope ...
[16:13] <daveake> ... just got home a few mins ago
[16:13] <daveake> Buzz on Buzz: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150332062007654&set=o.138475046220867&type=1&theater
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[16:14] <daveake> No pink payload, but Julie did weear pink to bring us luck ;)
[16:14] <RocketBoy> daveake: what chute was that?
[16:14] <daveake> Crap one
[16:14] <daveake> 14" hexagonal
[16:14] <RocketBoy> Top Flight?
[16:15] <daveake> I figured that seeing as Buzz was only 100g, it wouldn't need much
[16:15] <daveake> Sounds familiar
[16:15] <daveake> I'll check my emails for sure, Steve
[16:15] <RocketBoy> just interested
[16:15] <daveake> Of course, np :)
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[16:16] <daveake> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/6249703513/in/set-72157627906790438/ - that was such a great view :)
[16:16] <UpuMobile> not in a tree
[16:16] <UpuMobile> so good :)
[16:16] <daveake> Not a tree :)
[16:16] <UpuMobile> or the sea for that matter
[16:17] <daveake> We just had to walk round some fields and through a bush
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[16:17] <daveake> I see no sea
[16:17] <UpuMobile> I'm going to have to buy some more pink gaffer after this weekend :)
[16:17] <daveake> A wood was nearby
[16:17] <daveake> :)
[16:17] <UpuMobile> I'll sort the NTX2's out when I get home
[16:17] <futurity> RocketBoy: It was spinning very fast at one point. The tracker waterfall had a pulsating pattern to it. period of about 3 or 4 a second
[16:17] <UpuMobile> just on train
[16:18] <number10> thats how all UFOs pulsate and buzz
[16:18] <number10> ;)
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[16:19] <RocketBoy> futurity: I gave up listening as my mac dl-fldigi was annoying me
[16:19] <NigeyS||> grr irc playing up today
[16:20] <futurity> Well the frequency was drifting around like mad and needed constant returning unfortunately. I guess due to poor insulation perhaps?
[16:20] <futurity> *retuning
[16:20] <UpuMobile> it seemed to settle down
[16:20] <UpuMobile> but at one point the drift was quite dramatic
[16:20] <number10> would be interesting to see plots of the temperature and descent rate
[16:21] <futurity> i guess as it goes up, there are altitudes where the direction of temperature direction changes?
[16:21] <daveake> Between retuning the receiver/dl-fldigi, fixing the internet connection when it went down,keeping up with IRC and the map, it was a full time job!
[16:21] <futurity> I think i saw a 30 degree angle at one point, but it made it quite fun tracking it
[16:21] <daveake> Yep
[16:22] <futurity> :) always fun to help track
[16:22] <daveake> I should hand out gold star stickers for everyone who managed to track :)
[16:22] <daveake> We had a great signal all the way on the road aside from when filling up with petrol (big roof over the filling area) and of course when it landed.
[16:23] <RocketBoy> daveake: yeah - IMO what you really need is someone in command and control - they watch the tracker and give driving directions over the (handsfree) phone
[16:23] <UpuMobile> I have stickers left over from the conference :)
[16:23] <RocketBoy> or someone should integrate the tracker with a car GPS
[16:23] <UpuMobile> that would be a good hack
[16:23] <daveake> I thought of that :)
[16:24] <UpuMobile> TomTom HAB Edition
[16:24] <RocketBoy> yeah
[16:24] <daveake> I wrote a program last week to show the direction to the balloon as a compass.
[16:24] <number10> I was thinking of taking the output and putting into memorymap
[16:24] <daveake> But that was on my now unwell car PC
[16:24] <RocketBoy> yeah - i guess relative to car direction might be quite useeful
[16:25] <daveake> That's what I did
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[16:26] <daveake> I tested it during the week and it worked very well. Sadly the car PC stopped working during the balloon fill
[16:26] <RocketBoy> yeah that would be good
[16:26] <daveake> The program peeks the dl-fldigi
[16:26] <daveake> decoded data, plus a separate GPS receiver, then does some maths that I found on the web
[16:26] <NigeyS||> RocketBoy, PICOCHU-1,527,20:19:46,51.83771,-3.06468,7263,7,-16*73D5 .. that was the last telem line before we lost the gps :(
[16:26] <RocketBoy> ah - oldschool thats how i used to do it
[16:26] <number10> how do you get the data from fl-digi
[16:27] <daveake> Listen to a socket port, the the number of which I forget
[16:27] <RocketBoy> used to parse the fldigi logs and feed into google earth
[16:27] <daveake> I found out by running netstat -a to see what ports it opened
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[16:27] <daveake> I'll get the car PC fixed then I'll use it next time
[16:28] <daveake> Would have been handy today
[16:28] <cuddykid> ping UpuMobile
[16:29] <UpuMobile> hey cuddykid
[16:29] <futurity> Hi suddykid, get home ok? My train was cancelled lol
[16:30] <cuddykid> Hi UpuMobile :) do you have the files for your iPhone app? I'm a dev so would be able to install on my iPhone, currently it's not jailbroken so I download it :(
[16:30] <UpuMobile> its on a Cydia Repo somewhere dunno if thats the source though 1 sec
[16:30] <cuddykid> Hi futurity, yes thanks, was a long journey back but got back in the end! Oh no, that's not good - was there another one?
[16:30] <cuddykid> UpuMobile: ahh ok, thanks :)
[16:31] <futurity> yep, there was a train i didn't even know about that I got in the end
[16:31] <cuddykid> good stuff!
[16:31] <UpuMobile> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[16:31] <futurity> Great event btw. Really enjoyed it
[16:31] <cuddykid> UpuMobile: thanks
[16:31] <cuddykid> agree futurity
[16:32] <UpuMobile> if you want source
[16:32] <cuddykid> cheers
[16:32] <UpuMobile> mail Matthew whos address I just PM'd you
[16:32] <futurity> And we're really fired up to get building a pic payload
[16:32] <UpuMobile> tell him I said to ask him for the source
[16:32] <UpuMobile> its on github somewhere I think
[16:32] <UpuMobile> I'm very interested in the new radio bits
[16:33] <number10> nice to see you are going for a PIC payload futurity
[16:33] <UpuMobile> especially the ability to work away from 075 frequencies
[16:33] <number10> most others are using AVR arduinos
[16:33] <futurity> Well my co team member is a electronics engineer doing nothing but PIC
[16:34] <number10> you are nearby to cambridge futurity?
[16:34] <futurity> I have a AVR myself, but also used to program PIC ASM years ago
[16:34] <daveake> PIC ASM? Have you recovered yet?
[16:34] <futurity> they are very small (surface mount ones) and the watchdog timer means they can be very low power consumption
[16:34] <futurity> Yep live in Melbourn (just south of Cambridge down the A10)
[16:35] <futurity> number10 do you do PIC assembly or C?
[16:35] <number10> C
[16:35] <number10> my assembly days are over
[16:35] <futurity> do you know if there are any free PIC C compilers?
[16:36] <futurity> the Hi-Tech ones seem to cost £1000s
[16:36] <number10> I bought the CCS C compiler years back and use that
[16:36] <daveake> I use CCS. But don't Microchip provide free ones? I think they just turn off the optimisation if you don't buy it
[16:36] <number10> you can download the microchip one - light version for free depending on the processor you select
[16:37] <futurity> i see thanks
[16:37] <futurity> The good thing about the AVR chips is the amount of libraries out there
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[16:37] <futurity> and easy SD card support
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[16:38] <number10> I should really look at those futurity - just stuck in old ways
[16:38] <futurity> hopefully using PIC surface mount components we'll be able to do a pico launch
[16:38] <futurity> Russell is also stuck in PIC mode.
[16:39] <futurity> AVR look very tempting, but the PICs may have advantages
[16:39] <RocketBoy> dont be temped by the dark side
[16:39] <futurity> I'll try not to
[16:39] <futurity> lol
[16:39] <number10> you are under my spell
[16:39] <Randomskk> does it really make any difference at all?
[16:39] <zyp> these days small ARMs are getting pretty affordable
[16:40] <Randomskk> the pic and the avr are both performing the same system role
[16:40] <number10> not really
[16:40] <Randomskk> and assuming C for both
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[16:40] <futurity> no they are all fairly well supported
[16:40] <Randomskk> and both can use tinygps etc
[16:40] <Randomskk> the difference is basically cosmetic
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[16:40] <Paradoxial> Best high altitude craft ever: http://l4ppyloops.info/#718
[16:40] <futurity> i think the Arduino's may be easier for school kids to program though
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> In some ways, I want all these little 8 bit chips to go away. And for ~100MHz 32 bit with 16M ROM and RAM and MMU to be available in qfn32 at a comparable price-point and power.
[16:40] <Randomskk> you're still using the same GPSs and radios and balloons and boxes and cameras
[16:41] <daveake> Indeed. Use whichever you like.
[16:41] <number10> but think of the power consumption SpeedEvil
[16:41] <futurity> There is a Phillips ARM single chip board with integrated SD card and ethernet support we're interested in
[16:41] <futurity> not for payloads though
[16:41] Action: SpeedEvil notes that his phone uses ~3mA when 'on'.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> And logged into wifi and ssh
[16:41] <zyp> I wouldn't use an MCU without good free compiler support
[16:41] <futurity> PIC are great for low power :)
[16:41] <Randomskk> AVR and ARM are literally as good
[16:41] <futurity> single chip computer wars ;)
[16:41] <Randomskk> AVR's picopower stuff tends to just win out on most PICs, and a ton of ARMs are about the same level
[16:42] <futurity> I've not looked at the AVR power consumption to be honest
[16:42] Action: SpeedEvil stabs BTs rate adaption algorithm.
[16:42] <number10> I think its good for everyone to use a range of devices - It would be a shame if everyone just copied eachother
[16:42] <futurity> can you put the chip to sleep and use the watchdog timer to wake it up for time delays?
[16:42] <Randomskk> yes
[16:43] <Randomskk> as with pretty much any microcontroller
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> As my modem synched at 400K today, it's going to be another 3 days till I get back to sane internets.
[16:43] <zyp> IMO bad compiler support is a huge minus to me, and I don't see how the PIC makes up for that, so I don't get why people still use them
[16:43] <Randomskk> zyp: agreed
[16:43] <UpuMobile> Hey Randomskk did you say you're going to release the details on Wombat radio , like circuit design etc ?
[16:43] <Randomskk> I generally prefer AVRs solely due to compiler support
[16:43] <Randomskk> UpuMobile: yea
[16:43] <futurity> Yes PIC compilers aren't freely available with any decent library support
[16:43] <number10> you have a point zyp - and I must admit I pay compiler maintenance fee to CCS
[16:44] <zyp> btw. noone mentioned MSP430 yet
[16:44] <UpuMobile> ok interested whenever you feel its ready, might have a play round myself inbetween
[16:44] <number10> and more often than not when they release a new version they break stuff
[16:44] <futurity> i've seen so many AVR code examples its insane.
[16:44] <zyp> it's supposed to excel at low power consumption
[16:44] <Randomskk> UpuMobile: the schematic and pcb design for the eval board I made is on my github along with some ARM code to use it
[16:45] <UpuMobile> got a link
[16:45] <UpuMobile> ?
[16:45] <Randomskk> https://github.com/adamgreig/adf7012_dev
[16:45] <futurity> the arm is 16bit or 32bit?
[16:45] <UpuMobile> thanks
[16:45] <Randomskk> source is mainly in main.c, PCB files in pcb/
[16:45] <zyp> futurity, 32
[16:45] <Randomskk> mostly 32
[16:45] <UpuMobile> well I work with Arduino so will have to convert it
[16:45] <futurity> nice, and it also has watchdog timers to put the CPU to sleep to save power?
[16:45] <Randomskk> shouldn't be hard.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Paradoxial: /me is reminded of the aphorism. 'With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine'.
[16:46] <UpuMobile> message "it works yay" :)
[16:46] <Randomskk> :P
[16:46] <zyp> futurity, ARM Cortex-M cores are «MCU profile», i.e. only thumb instructionset, which is 16-bit instruction words, but the working registers are still 32-bit
[16:47] <zyp> and they generally have even more power saving features than 8-bit MCUs
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[16:48] <Randomskk> also the cost is now basically the same order as a pic16/18 or an atmega
[16:48] <zyp> all clocks are gated, so every peripheral that's not used can be completely turned off
[16:48] <futurity> Any like the AVRs are there open source libraries and plenty of example to get you started, or like the PIC are you on your own from the very start?
[16:48] <Randomskk> for a mcu that's near an order of magnitude more clock speed, ram, flash, tons more peripherals that are also more powerful, etc
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[16:48] <Randomskk> futurity: varies. there are a lot of manufacturers for ARM codes, like ST and NXP
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[16:48] <Randomskk> ST release a library for their STM32 series which is pretty decent. vanilla gcc will compile for them, so compilers are not an issue
[16:49] <futurity> of course, forgot that ARM is a design, not an implementation
[16:49] <Randomskk> that project I linked to above uses ChibiOS, an RTOS that supports STM32
[16:49] <Randomskk> and the RTOS then has a HAL that drives all the peripherals through a standard interface
[16:49] <zyp> I've used chibios
[16:49] <zyp> it's pretty easy to get started with
[16:50] <futurity> i don't suppose arm chips have built in ethernet support?
[16:50] <zyp> some have
[16:50] <Randomskk> the ARM core wouldn't - it's a CPU
[16:50] <Randomskk> but many MCUs have MACs builtin, for instance
[16:50] <Randomskk> (STM32F107 line, for instance)
[16:50] <Randomskk> still require an external PHY
[16:50] <futurity> true but the Phillips arm chip i think had it built in
[16:51] <Randomskk> there are some other chips that have MAC+PHY builtin
[16:51] <zyp> futurity, LPC17xx?
[16:51] <Randomskk> though that's a lot less common
[16:51] <futurity> can't remember now, not relevant for payloads though
[16:51] <Randomskk> speak for yourself, I use long ethernet cables for downlink :P
[16:51] <futurity> unless wifi from payload to ground (that would be nice)
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[17:11] <futurity> Has anyone tried using wifi as a downlink?
[17:11] <futurity> i guess it could be quite good with a downward pointing yagi
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[17:15] <rjharrison> RocketBoy has a poor connection
[17:18] <UpuMobile> yeah mines better and I'm on a train :)
[17:19] <NigeyS||> lol
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[17:19] <zyp> futurity, I think the range would be limited by the round trip delay even if you were able to get good enough signal strength
[17:20] <rjharrison> Upu train?
[17:20] <rjharrison> Thought you drove down
[17:20] <UpuMobile> yeah omw back from London
[17:20] <UpuMobile> no
[17:20] <UpuMobile> left car at Wakefield
[17:20] <UpuMobile> Wife finished work in Heckmondwyke so only 20 mins from ther
[17:20] <UpuMobile> e
[17:20] <futurity> but wifi travels at speed of light, so the RTT should be low ;)
[17:21] <futurity> if the signal is clean
[17:21] <rjharrison> Upu cool
[17:21] <UpuMobile> just at Newark
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> 802.11n(eutrino) goes faster!
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> At least in france.
[17:22] <jcoxon> evening all
[17:22] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[17:22] <rjharrison> Good day yesterday
[17:22] <UpuMobile> evening James
[17:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:22] <jcoxon> big success
[17:22] <jcoxon> especially for a first time
[17:23] <UpuMobile> glad people got alot out of it
[17:23] <rjharrison> Pipped py interest in super pressure
[17:23] <zyp> futurity, RTT of a 1km link would be ten times the RTT of a 100m link
[17:23] <UpuMobile> mine in radio :)
[17:23] <rjharrison> Yep Upu good effort there too
[17:23] <zyp> futurity, in terms of wifi that is not low RTT
[17:23] <jcoxon> any more videos online yet?
[17:24] <UpuMobile> no for some reason FLMR didn't record the presentations even though record was running
[17:24] <UpuMobile> not sure why
[17:24] <jcoxon> hmmm
[17:24] <UpuMobile> so relying on fsphil
[17:24] <futurity> hmm i think the RTT issues of WIFI are more due to signal loss and retried packets than the time it takes for the data to travel the extra distance
[17:24] <UpuMobile> I know it was running because I missed the first 1 min Ed's presentation and I was a little annoyed
[17:24] <futurity> but i agree that the longer the distance the more packets would be lost
[17:25] <futurity> unless the aerials are enhanced to increase transmission and reception
[17:25] <UpuMobile> Will have a debrief with you when I get back jcoxon but a) we should do it next year b) I have lots of ideas to make it even better
[17:25] <UpuMobile> mainly radio mikes...
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[17:25] <UpuMobile> and some way of getting the presentations on the stream
[17:25] <jcoxon> http://kg4ymg.com/ukhas/
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[17:26] <UpuMobile> oh lovely
[17:26] <zyp> futurity, I'm not actually sure if this applies for wifi, but at least I know for a fact that the limiting factor of the max length of a GSM link is the signal travel time
[17:26] <UpuMobile> I'll grab that later
[17:26] <zyp> I think I heard that wifi has a similar limitation
[17:26] <jcoxon> yeah its a tinny big
[17:27] <UpuMobile> don't think getting that on 3G is a good idea
[17:27] <UpuMobile> no problems at home
[17:27] <futurity> To be honest I'm not that glued up on radio links. Russell uses cheap wifi network modules for serial to internet communication
[17:27] <UpuMobile> I reviewed the chat from batc.tv site and the general complaint was audio but otherwise ok
[17:27] <futurity> might be fun using one of those
[17:27] <UpuMobile> anyway got a year to come up with a solution
[17:28] <futurity> are the videos and presentation files available online?
[17:29] <UpuMobile> jcoxon could you make an authoritive list of the attendees then some how how randomise 12 of them so we can decide who to give these NTX2 modules too please
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[17:29] <Randomskk> all my slides and jcoxon's slides are, futurity
[17:29] <Randomskk> see the conference page
[17:29] <zyp> futurity, I had a «mobile communication» course last year when I was studying EE, we went in depth of various radio protocols there, most of it were GSM though
[17:29] <UpuMobile> futurity a few are up on conference page
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[17:29] <Randomskk> bbl
[17:30] <futurity> Thanks I'll take a look. Would be good to watch them all again as I didn't take any notes while I was there
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[17:31] <UpuMobile> I'll download that file and chop it up into talks this evening
[17:34] <UpuMobile> I love the idea of that radio module being able to bump the power up, technically once its on the ground its a beacon can I get run it at full power for 2 hours to aid location
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[17:40] <jcoxon> hmmm is there a way to view a m4v without downloading it all
[17:40] <jcoxon> ?
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[17:42] <UpuMobile> I'm downloading it now to home jcoxon if its the ukhas thing, I'll split it up
[17:43] <zyp> a player like mplayer or vlc can stream it while you watch
[17:43] <UpuMobile> ok going QRT bbl
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[17:48] <jcoxon> heheh it works
[17:49] <jcoxon> stream is good
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Calculation of capital
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> 111.(1) For the purposes of sections 1(3) and 4 of, and Part 2 of Schedule 1 to, the Act as it
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> applies to an income-related allowance, the capital of a claimant to be taken into account is,
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> subject to paragraph (2), to be the whole of the claimants capital calculated in accordance with
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> this Part and any income treated as capital under regulation 112 (income treated as capital).
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> (2) There is to be disregarded from the calculation of a claimants capital under paragraph (1)
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> any capital, where applicable, specified in Schedule 9.
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Income
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> argh
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[18:10] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Going to rewrite code for #HABE2 to neaten it up - annoyed I can't test it though as all my HAB stuff is back in worcs #UKHAS #arhab [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/125634821090328576]
[18:15] <NigeyS||> yey this new soldering iron is awsome
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[18:40] <fsphil-m> Ta Da!
[18:42] <NigeyS||> boo
[18:42] <NigeyS||> home yet? :p
[18:44] <fsphil-m> Yep, not long back
[18:44] <fsphil-m> Great flight
[18:44] <NigeyS||> yey, glad to see the back of public transport eh? :p
[18:45] <fsphil-m> Totally :D
[18:45] <NigeyS||> lol, im building picochu-3
[18:45] <fsphil-m> Nice
[18:45] <NigeyS||> new soldering iron is much better
[18:46] <fsphil-m> Was just looking at that board wondering
[18:46] <NigeyS||> oh?
[18:46] <fsphil-m> If I should build it tomorrow
[18:47] <NigeyS||> yes u shuld :p
[18:47] <fsphil-m> Wanna try some hellschreiber on it
[18:47] <NigeyS||> ahhh, ill email the schematic over
[18:50] <fsphil-m> I forgot I left my room in such a mess. Blah
[18:50] <NigeyS||> haha u were just hoping the fairies would tidy up for ya :p
[18:52] <fsphil-m> I made the mess looking for the satnav charger. Didn't find it either
[18:52] <NigeyS||> :o shocking :p
[18:53] <fsphil-m> I'm sure someone keeps moving things around
[18:53] <jcoxon> have i inspired
[18:53] <jcoxon> lots of hellschreiber
[18:53] <NigeyS||> i think you have james
[18:54] <fsphil-m> Indeed
[18:55] <fsphil-m> I'll try the gal version, see how different that behaves
[18:55] <fsphil-m> Er, fsk
[18:55] <fsphil-m> That pink tape has gone to my head
[18:56] <NigeyS||> lol
[18:57] <NigeyS||> forgot how tedious making the antenna was that we used friday phil :/
[18:57] <Hiena> http://slashdong.org/2011/10/15/pen15-board/ <=the last missing shield for aurdino...
[18:58] <fsphil-m> Aah yes
[18:58] <fsphil-m> That coax is annoying
[18:58] <NigeyS||> yup, made a bloody good antenna mind
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[19:03] <fsphil> there we go
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> haha
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> slashdong.org is brilliant
[19:06] <fsphil> no fair, it's colder here than in wales :p
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[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> ah thats what all the police copters were about yesterday
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> anonymous in London :P
[19:08] <fsphil> ooh I missed that ;)
[19:08] <GW8RAK> jcoxon, been reading some of the posts about Hell on the picaxe forum. Quite a few solutions
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> julien ass-henge was there
[19:09] <jcoxon> :=)
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[19:10] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: try using the backup battery pin on the fsa03
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> dont connect directly to the lipo tho... i dont think it can take 4.2v
[19:10] <eroomde> GW8RAK: i think you'll find a lot of posts about Hell on picaxe forums
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> also Christian ones
[19:11] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, yeah
[19:11] <jcoxon> i reckon the mass i save removing ht rubber cover allows me to add a small coincell
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> hey jcoxon eroomde Laurenceb_ GW8RAK nosebleedKT NigeyS|| fsphil
[19:12] <fsphil> howdy Lunar_Lander
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> the 3.3v rail should work
[19:12] <GW8RAK> Yes, they seem to be variations on the orginal format, but just as readable, i.e. 5 *7 squares rather than 7 * 7
[19:12] <GW8RAK> Evening Lunar
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> isnt there a binary OOK format?
[19:13] <fsphil> not in fldigi
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> wont the 500baud native si4432 mode work?
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> or is it too wide?
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> was BUZZ successful?
[19:14] <jcoxon> i think its too wide
[19:15] Action: Laurenceb_ checks datasheet
[19:17] <fsphil> NigeyS||, you get the digital iron?
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah 2Khz
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> and 1Kbps with optional manchester
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> you could sent retune commands to do 50baud RTTY
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> 50Hz timer interrupt sending the spi commands
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[19:26] <Laurenceb_> are you using the arduino RF22 code?
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[19:32] <NigeyS||> wee bk
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[19:33] <NigeyS||> meh
[19:33] <NigeyS||> fsphil, yeah i got the digital 1 this afternoon
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> so
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> back
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK : how are you today?
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMBEVEURTG_index_0.html
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[19:49] <nosebleedKT> fsphil!!
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> the jpeg cam has secret baudrates !
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> i manages to use it at 230400 baud !
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> managed*
[19:50] <nosebleedKT> im copying the writing the pic on the microsd in <9s
[19:51] <nosebleedKT> :)
[19:53] <nosebleedKT> the pictures have normal size but are unviewable !
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[19:56] <fsphil> slight flaw then :)
[19:57] <nosebleedKT> http://forum.linksprite.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=415
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[19:57] <nosebleedKT> people report normal usage over highspeeds
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[20:37] <somnium> I am a member of a group of 2nd year physics students from the University of Birmingham who are planning to send a camera and other instruments to 30km using a weather balloon. To track its journey and hopefully recover it once it has landed, we are planning to use a GPS tracker using an arduino board, and a radio receiver on the ground. While we have some experience of working with electronics, none of us are particularly prof
[20:37] <NigeyS||> hi somnium
[20:37] <somnium> Hi
[20:37] <NigeyS||> part of your message got cut off
[20:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Nigel Smart "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold"
[20:38] <somnium> oh, il post the second half
[20:38] <somnium> A similar project we have seen is, http://www.hexoc.com/pages/hab/ferret.php I wondered if anyone could offer any advice with regard to creating/ operating such a system, or whether there were any resources you could recommend.
[20:39] <NigeyS||> have you taken a look around the ukhas wiki ?
[20:41] <fsphil> radio tracking and gsm backup is a good plan
[20:41] <Upu> publishing some of the talks now
[20:41] <Upu> hi somnium welcome to the right place
[20:41] <cuddykid> I second that - a backup tracker is a must if you want to significantly increase chances of recovery
[20:42] <cuddykid> not a radio one though, an sms or gprs one :)
[20:42] <number10> How many people attended the conference Upu?
[20:42] <somnium> Yes I have had a good look around the wiki and found some really useful advice. But I have very little experiance in this type of thing. From research we plan to build a arduino based tracker. And use a mobile phone with GPS as a backup tracker.
[20:43] <Upu> 43 ?
[20:43] <number10> wow - that is good
[20:43] <cuddykid> somnium: sounds like a good plan :)
[20:43] <fsphil> I counted 30 before the second crowd arrived
[20:43] <number10> It looked and sounded like it was buzzing (excuse the pun)
[20:44] <cuddykid> there are some fantastic tutorials on Upu's site somnium :)
[20:44] <number10> sounded like the second croud turned up on mas
[20:44] <Upu> meh
[20:44] <fsphil> yea, they did
[20:44] <Upu> 1 tutorial :)
[20:44] <cuddykid> it's very good :)
[20:44] <somnium> What us the site?
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[20:44] <cuddykid> http://ava.upuaut.net/
[20:45] <Upu> but the tutorial is also on the ukhas wiki ukhas.org.uk
[20:45] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[20:46] <Upu> take it one step at a time somnium and it will all come together
[20:46] <Upu> and just stay on here you'll pick heaps up :)
[20:46] <cuddykid> Upu: just having a look at the photos of the sea landing - incredible!
[20:46] <Upu> check the video :)
[20:47] <cuddykid> brilliant!! love how it self rights and bobs
[20:47] <cuddykid> really calm sea
[20:47] <fsphil> amazingly calm
[20:47] <somnium> I think I have a rough idea of the components needed. Arduino board, NTX2, suitable GPS and an antenna. Then of course the radio at the other end. Is there anything im missing?
[20:48] <somnium> and that guide looks really useful. And the video looks amazing! Just the sort of results we are hoping to get!
[20:48] <fsphil> that's pretty much it
[20:48] <Upu> luck
[20:48] <number10> radio at the other end is imporatant
[20:48] <Upu> you need some of that
[20:48] <cuddykid> lol yeah
[20:48] <NigeyS||> lol yes, lots of luck
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> somnium: you forgot the 20 megaton nuclear device.
[20:48] <NigeyS||> and some helium helps to ;)
[20:48] <number10> and you need some pink gaffa ;)
[20:48] <cuddykid> or hydrogen ;) lol&
[20:49] <somnium> ha, we have a flight team sorting out that side of the project!
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:49] <cuddykid> nice
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi number10 Upu cuddykid somnium
[20:49] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:49] <number10> Hi Lunar_Lander
[20:49] <Upu> Lunar_Lander is the channels meet and greeter :)
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:50] <number10> :)
[20:51] <cuddykid> hmm.. I need to get on and try and get a society for habbing set up here at notts
[20:51] <somnium> Does anyone how hard is it to program an Arduino board? We are thinking about getting a computer scientist from the uni to help with that.
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Idiots can do it.
[20:51] Action: NigeyS|| is an idiot
[20:51] <cuddykid> I'm going to try and rope some specialist people in (comp sci, electronic engineers, mechanical engineers.. )
[20:52] <number10> there is nothing wrong with UKHAS chuddykid
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Anyone of reasonable intelligence can learn to do it.
[20:52] <cuddykid> somnium: very easy, it's effectively C.. but there's a lot of code around :)
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Maybe not do it well - depending on aptitude.
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> But adequately.
[20:52] <NigeyS||> ping laurenceb
[20:52] <cuddykid> number10: to complement UKHAS, like a CUSF
[20:52] <number10> IC
[20:52] <cuddykid> :)
[20:52] <number10> yes local interst is good
[20:52] <somnium> We have done basic C++ so far at uni so that may be helpful.
[20:53] <cuddykid> should be helpful, though C is slightly different I believe (not object orientated.. though I may be wrong)
[20:53] <cuddykid> I hadn't done much programming but it was ok :)
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[20:54] <cuddykid> somnium: any comp sci person should be able to code it dead easy
[20:57] <somnium> What type of antenna would be best for this
[20:58] <cuddykid> 1/4 wave ground plane for payload and yagi for ground
[20:58] <cuddykid> though a whip for ground would probably suffice
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[20:59] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUtCA6MLcT0 James talk
[21:00] <somnium> cuddykid: thanks i will look into those
[21:00] <cuddykid> no problem, they are detailed on the wiki I believe :)
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[21:04] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nziw0RCkOE Darkside
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> YAY thanks Upu
[21:12] <Upu> working on them they won't all be done tonight
[21:15] <staylo> NigeyS||: What's the new soldering iron?
[21:15] <NigeyS||> http://www.maplin.co.uk/60w-lcd-display-solder-station-218050
[21:16] <Upu> meh audio on Adam and Dan's chat is broken up
[21:21] <staylo> Hmm, my tin can internet is refusing to load the Maplin site for some reason. I see the title, anyway :) I need to pick up a cheap temperature-controlled station at some stage.
[21:22] <NigeyS||> ahh, its a good station, comes with some decent tips to which is pretty rare !
[21:23] <staylo> Yeah, that's always an added cost
[21:29] <DanielRichman> Upu: so that video is from the stream webcam, right?
[21:30] <NigeyS||> ello dan
[21:30] <DanielRichman> hi
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> Upu: http://www.nevis.co.uk/
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> does that woman work for you?!
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[21:33] <NigeyS||> hey jgrahamc, daveake
[21:33] <jgrahamc> Looks like buzz found a good landing spot
[21:33] Action: Laurenceb_ suspects answer is no
[21:33] <daveake> Evening all. Yes, very nice spot :)
[21:34] <NigeyS||> works here laurence
[21:34] <jgrahamc> Evening
[21:34] <fsphil> she does?
[21:34] <DanielRichman> Laurenceb_: it changes on every refresh
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> lol
[21:34] <daveake> He landed the right way up, no damage, still working fine
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> WHY
[21:34] <jgrahamc> Picked up with ease I imagine
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[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[21:36] <daveake> Evening !
[21:36] <daveake> Just uploading the photos to flickr
[21:36] <jgrahamc> Cool
[21:37] <DanielRichman> fsphil: hey, were you recording at the conf?
[21:37] <fsphil> was indeed DanielRichman
[21:37] <DanielRichman> :o
[21:37] <fsphil> ran out of space right at the last lightning talk
[21:37] <DanielRichman> so, how's your internet connection :P
[21:37] <fsphil> lol
[21:37] <DanielRichman> you should have given the files to one of the guys who have the stupid gigabit uni internet ;P
[21:38] <fsphil> I'm going to upload them to youtube tonight and tomorrow
[21:38] <DanielRichman> nice :-)
[21:38] <DanielRichman> I noticed you swapping sd cards; must have been .. a lot of data
[21:38] <fsphil> Upu has uploaded the recorded stream too
[21:39] <DanielRichman> yeah. It had to be compressed quite a lot to stream it though
[21:39] <fsphil> yea. video quality is great, although the sound is a bit weak
[21:39] <fsphil> we need clip-on mics next time
[21:39] <DanielRichman> yeah there was some talk of radio mics
[21:40] <fsphil> friend of mine has one, but he only got it back after I left
[21:40] <Upu> Mr Richman and Mr Griegs finest Habitat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKu_Q7AyI6o
[21:40] <daveake> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157627784758417/
[21:42] <daveake> I like http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6250890156/, which is a blatant rip-off of http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UjYEcQ5Hl0E/SrsWP3A2uBI/AAAAAAAAG00/BQ-FMxM7Ux0/s400/Discovery.jpg
[21:42] <Upu> thats cool :)
[21:43] <daveake> On-board crap-o-cam did work, but the photos were, erm, crap as expected :p
[21:44] <NigeyS||> lol dave
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Have I got a poor memory, or are most balloons looking fully inflated at that point?
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Neat looking payload.
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[21:45] <daveake> :-). That pretty much was the entire reason for the flight :)
[21:46] <daveake> If it had reached as far as Norfolk then it might have scared any locals into thinking they were actually being invaded from outer space :D
[21:48] <daveake> This shot by Number10 who turned up as we were getting ready to walk across the fields to retrieve Buzz - http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/6249703513/in/set-72157627906790438/
[21:49] <fsphil> great signal from it daveake
[21:49] <daveake> Cool. I saw on IRC some people had trouble. Our signal was clear though of course he shifted across the waterfall at a rate of knots
[21:50] <fsphil> oh yea it drifted like a drunk pirate
[21:50] <daveake> :D
[21:50] <daveake> Quite a job keeping up
[21:50] <fsphil> but was pretty strong
[21:50] <fsphil> I left it decoding when I went for the train - it tracked to about 200m below where it burst
[21:51] <daveake> A lot of the launch photos wre from a Canon A495 (bought for CLOUD3) set up on a tripod.
[21:51] <daveake> 200m? Better than we did (500m) !
[21:51] <daveake> oh, sorry, mis-read
[21:51] <fsphil> yea, max-200m :)
[21:51] <daveake> We lost at 500m altiitude
[21:51] <daveake> Blurry eyes :D
[21:51] <fsphil> how quicky did you get the signal back again?
[21:51] <daveake> Been sleeping through stricly and crap-factor
[21:52] <daveake> I guess about 15 minutes
[21:52] <daveake> We weren't too far away. rjharrison called me and gave directions to near the field.
[21:53] <daveake> Then I got a great signal from the yagi, got an updated posn and gave him that. Number10 had a hand-held gps which we then used to guide us along the fields
[21:53] <daveake> I DF-d to confirm, but we knew where to go anyway
[21:54] <daveake> The magmount worked from a couple of miles away. That was such a nice noise to hear after the static :D
[21:54] <fsphil> it so is!
[21:54] <daveake> I could fall in love with that familiar warble starting to appear :)
[21:55] <daveake> With cloud1 we only had a posn from 4000m. Static from the magmount will we got 0.5 secs of warble. We stopped PDQ then got the yagi out.
[21:55] <daveake> till
[21:56] <daveake> sssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh ... warble ... ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:56] <daveake> :)
[21:57] <fsphil> we got the signal at NigeyS's place but only weakly. He needs to get a radio mast :p
[21:57] <daveake> :)
[21:57] <daveake> Fortunately the window in my home office faces east - ideal for any flights fro Cambs
[22:00] <daveake> Finished off one helium cylinder (eleft over from cloud2), so that can go back tomorrow. SOme left in the new cylinder
[22:00] <daveake> Guess I need to build another payload :p
[22:01] <fsphil> muhahaha
[22:01] <fsphil> it's the perfect reason :)
[22:01] <daveake> :D
[22:01] <daveake> Might launch in cambs next time
[22:01] <fsphil> / excuse
[22:02] <daveake> Save getting another notam.
[22:02] <daveake> Then DM might have some time free .........
[22:02] <fsphil> oooh
[22:03] <fsphil> I bet mine is down the back of the desk, behind the coffee cups
[22:05] <daveake> I think he used it to mop up spilt coffee
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[22:08] <daveake> Big Buzz showing off the payload - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6251638688/ :)
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[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[22:09] <daveake> night
[22:10] <LazyLeopard> Not quite sure why I was getting poor signals just before I had to go out for the day, but I was using the colinear outside rather than the usual yagi, and it may have had a bit more roof and trees to look through...
[22:11] <NigeyS||> wb jcoxon
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[22:12] <Upu> eroomde do you have a link to your presentation/online videos ? Just putting you part up on YouTube now
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[22:24] <NigeyS||> Dan-K2VOL :-)
[22:24] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello NigeyS||
[22:24] <NigeyS||> hey :) just sent u an email actually..lol
[22:25] <Dan-K2VOL> I recognized you in the video!
[22:26] <NigeyS||> uhoh, i tried to avoid the cameras..lol
[22:26] <Dan-K2VOL> I realized that I didn't know what most people look like, but you have your face on your twitter lol
[22:26] <NigeyS||> ahh true!
[22:28] <Upu> Hey Dan
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[22:29] <Upu> just uploading the videos cheers for recording the stream
[22:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hey upu!
[22:30] <Upu> I've linked yours from here http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference
[22:30] <Dan-K2VOL> you're welcome, doughecka did all the video streaming and recording setup :-)
[22:30] <Upu> the local recording failed
[22:30] <Upu> thanks to Doug
[22:30] <Upu> I've put thanks Dan Bowen/Whitestar on each video
[22:30] <doughecka> you're welcome
[22:30] <doughecka> :)
[22:31] <Upu> audio was a little choppy in bits will work on that next year
[22:31] <Upu> could have actually been the netbook running out of cpu to transcode the video and audio
[22:31] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) it was ok, definitely understandalble
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[22:32] <Dan-K2VOL> haha might have been :-)
[22:32] <NigeyS||> it did well for anetbook though upu
[22:33] <Upu> aye its the best laptop/netbook I've had, screen is failing on it but I dont' want to get a new one :)
[22:33] <Upu> Right Ed's bit is up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0uR15JgbaE
[22:34] <NigeyS||> schweet
[22:37] <Upu> gah look at the time
[22:37] <Upu> night !
[22:37] <NigeyS||> nn dude
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[22:39] <NigeyS||> its phiiiiiil
[22:40] <NigeyS||> making antenna radials is so much fun.......not!
[22:42] <Dan-K2VOL> bbl friends
[22:42] <NigeyS||> cya later Dan :-)
[22:43] <fsphil-laptop> antennas are always fun
[22:44] <doughecka> cheers!
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[22:44] <NigeyS||> yush phil, i love picking off that shielding mm by mm lol
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[22:50] <fsphil-laptop> I should probably have copied these video files over cat5 and not wireless
[22:51] <NigeyS||> ooo i think that would've been wise
[22:59] <doughecka> what program where y'all using for the stream?
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[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not sure -- I think batc.tv have their own software
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[23:11] <NigeyS||> wb Dan
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[23:16] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. would also help if I was copying it to the right machine
[23:17] <Dan-K2VOL> hi nigey
[23:17] <Dan-K2VOL> do all of you UK guys know about the BBC 'So you want to be a scientist' contest?
[23:18] <NigeyS||> heard of it yup dan, think its just started
[23:18] <Dan-K2VOL> I'd enter the darn thing, but it's UK citizens only
[23:18] <fsphil-laptop> missed that one
[23:18] <NigeyS||> meh that sucks :/
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Dan-K2VOL: yes
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Dan-K2VOL: I listen to material world regularly.
[23:18] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope somone here is going to try for it!
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> They had a couple of interesting ones.
[23:19] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh me too!
[23:19] <Dan-K2VOL> through podcast though. For this latest episode?
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> Last year it was 'do snails have a sense of direction' and Noctilucent clouds.
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> It might be interesting to do something with that and HAB
[23:20] <Dan-K2VOL> It was pretty neat for that nice old lady to stir up a bunch of scientists to start studiying snail neurology!
[23:20] <Dan-K2VOL> after she proved they can find their way home over long distances
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> It's also an awesome project for involvement.
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> I can't think of anything that I could suggest that's got a hope of being approved.
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> I mean - I want to try to see if the cost of micro space launch can be vastly reduced.
[23:21] <fsphil-laptop> I think noctilucent clouds are brilliant
[23:21] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, honestly I'd like to see a mobile app for doing theodolite measurements on balloons, so many people could track no-payload tests of small superpressure balloons
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> But that's more 'so, you want to be an engineer'
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[23:22] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) just give me a mention somewhere if you do that one :-)
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> You could get a moderately decent pointing 'sight along this line' - with the gyro and magnetometer
[23:22] <Dan-K2VOL> bingo
[23:22] <Dan-K2VOL> and with lots of them, probably a pretty accurate estimate
[23:23] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe combine it with a telemetry map display app, and your followers are instantly your trackers
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[23:42] <stilldavid> so I think we're doing a launch on Tuesday. huh.
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[23:55] <fsphil-laptop> oooh
[23:56] <fsphil-laptop> what cha flying stilldavid?
[23:56] <stilldavid> gonna try to do a lightweight payload but have two gopro cameras
[23:57] <stilldavid> same flight computer as last time, and probably throw the spot in there for backup
[23:57] <Dan-K2VOL> oh stilldavid, you silly antigravity man
[23:57] <stilldavid> Hm. I've been called a lot of things in my life...
[23:57] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha
[23:57] <Darkside> ooh 2 gopros
[23:57] <Darkside> nice
[23:57] <Dan-K2VOL> I just think those go-pros feel like lead when I'm weighing out balloon parts :-P
[23:58] <stilldavid> yeah, gonna point one up and get the balloon burst in 720 60p
[23:58] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[23:58] <Darkside> cooooool
[23:58] <WB8ELK> Dan...I sent up 4 GoPro's last April
[23:58] <stilldavid> oh man, they sure do. not sure what the target weight is just yet, but it'll be on a 1500g balloon
[23:58] <fsphil-laptop> I'm still to fly just one -- it'll be up on the next one
[23:58] <stilldavid> hiya, WB8ELK
[23:58] <WB8ELK> stabilized the payload with six foot carbon fiber poles
[23:58] <Dan-K2VOL> should try using a DVD laser burner to initiate artificial burst
[23:58] <WB8ELK> was very stable
[23:58] <Dan-K2VOL> watch that one
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> wB8ELK you should try mounting the go-pros on the ends of the poles for better 3-D
[23:59] <Dan-K2VOL> parallax
[23:59] <stilldavid> WB8ELK: did you have anything at the end of the poles?
[23:59] <WB8ELK> well...one of the poles broke on descent....still very stable even so...didn't want to risk them at the end of the pole
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