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[03:03] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
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[06:18] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
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[06:21] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "Re: [UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
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[06:56] <number10> morning daveake
[06:56] <daveake> morning #10
[06:57] <number10> I should be working but I find myself looking for 3v3 logic level mosfet - to distracted
[06:57] <daveake> :)
[06:57] <costyn> number10: i know the feeling well :)
[06:58] <costyn> and good morning btw
[06:58] <daveake> The pull of HAB is strong ...
[06:58] <number10> good morning costyn
[06:58] <daveake> What's the mosfet for?
[06:59] <number10> i intend to do nichrome cutdown - I am just trying to buy most of the bits in one go for the elctronics
[06:59] <daveake> I have just the baby ....
[06:59] <number10> ...
[07:00] <number10> what is the device you use dave
[07:00] <daveake> "..." means I'm trying to find out .... :)
[07:00] <number10> ... ;)
[07:00] <daveake> 2SK2989
[07:01] <daveake> 5A, 0.15 ohm on resistance, through-hole packaging not one of those tiny SM things
[07:01] <number10> thank - I'll take a look - apologies for distracting you from work
[07:02] <number10> smaller than a TO220
[07:02] <daveake> yep
[07:02] <daveake> http://uk.farnell.com/toshiba/2sk2989-tpe6-f/mosfet-n-ch-5a-50v-to92/dp/1714337?Ntt=2SK2989
[07:03] <daveake> I'm using one on Sunday. I tested it running from a 3V3 Arduino, delivering 1A to the nichrome
[07:03] <number10> I was on farnel and selecting to220 devices - I have most of my order in the basket on there at the moment - but some devices more expensive than RS
[07:03] <number10> do you mind me asking where u purchased the nichrome from?
[07:04] <daveake> No need for TO220 - it won't get warm. 0.15 ohms resistance means it'll only disspate about 0.15W, and that's only for a few seconds
[07:04] <daveake> ebay. You going to the conf?
[07:04] <number10> excelent
[07:05] <number10> cant make conference unfortunately - going to france tomorrow and wont fancy drive to london on saturday
[07:05] <number10> I would like to go
[07:06] <daveake> I have the 42swg stuff. A length around 40mm is around 4 ohms, which is 1 amp from my batteries. At that point it gets plenty hot enough to melt the nylon within a couple of seconds.
[07:07] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nichrome-Resistance-Wire-42-SWG-5-Metre-Reel-/300587629321?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item45fc6b3b09#ht_1636wt_905
[07:07] <number10> thats good - I can make some nice smells iof burning cord in the house now - to go along with the anoying rtty bleeps and the pink coax that looks like a washing line out of the windo
[07:07] <daveake> :D
[07:08] <number10> cheers dave - thanks for the link
[07:08] <number10> time to spend more money aswell
[07:08] <daveake> Yes, I noticed that trend ....
[07:08] <number10> I ordered that yagi yesterday - Mrs10 will be pleased with all the new junk in the house
[07:08] <daveake> :)
[07:11] <number10> mind you i was tempted to get the diamond 10 element one - but it may be a little cumbersome for the car.
[07:12] <daveake> Yes, I got that smaller one because it's a lot less cumbersome. You don't lose much in gain, and it's been directional enough for DF-ing, so I'm happy with it.
[07:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
[07:15] <number10> if I can get Mrs10 to drive, when I get the yagi - I wouldnt mind helping on a chase one day - but then I need to buy a notebook - more dosh :(
[07:16] <daveake> Yeah, I'm just finishing getting my car PC installed. I've had it ages because I thought it would be a good idea, but never had an actual use for it! HAB chasing it's a perfect excuse, er, reason, for having one.
[07:18] <number10> :)
[07:18] <daveake> It runs dl-fldigi, the mapping, and the chase car program uploading the car position for the map. Also I wrote a program I wrote to show the balloon telemetry in nice big digits, and to show a "direction to HAB" screen
[07:19] <daveake> mmmm .. too much editing on that last sentence :D
[07:19] <daveake> I need to figure out a way of attaching the touchscreen monitor to the dash, then I can use it on Sunday
[07:21] <number10> yes, I saw a picture you posted of the screenshot - looked nice and easy to follow when driving
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[07:23] <daveake> That's the idea - don't want to spend too much time with my eyes off the road! If I want to live dangerously I'll have Mrs Dave driving ... :p
[07:23] <daveake> Actually she's fine, but the one time she drove the chase car she did panic a bit and nearly had an accident
[07:24] <number10> oh - maybe I'll have to drive - just stop and take a few bearings
[07:24] <number10> as Mrs10 doesnt rive often and thinks my car is too big
[07:25] <UpuWork> what is it ?
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[07:25] <daveake> For Sunday, we have a fair way to go, and my car is a lot quicker than her MPV, so I think yes I'll drive and we can stop sometimes. I'll teach her how to keep dl-fldigi and the scanner tuned int.
[07:26] <number10> just a mondeo but its the 2.2 diesel also she doent like
[07:26] <daveake> 3L V6 406 coupe :)
[07:26] <daveake> Old but quick
[07:26] <number10> your doing well if you can get her that interested to tune the receiver
[07:26] <daveake> :D
[07:26] <UpuWork> yeah my wife thought my car was too big until she put her foot down now she likes it
[07:26] <daveake> :D
[07:27] <number10> Upuwork Ros says hello to charlie
[07:27] <daveake> I also have an Elise, but there's nowhere to put the mag mount :D
[07:27] <number10> lol
[07:27] <UpuWork> He'd wave back but he only has paws and they don't do that
[07:27] <UpuWork> haha not that it would stick to the fibre glass :)
[07:27] <daveake> Exactly
[07:27] <UpuWork> Love Elise, I hired one fro a week
[07:28] <daveake> Bought mine new in 1999. Love it.
[07:28] <daveake> Prefer the old shape
[07:28] <UpuWork> my mate didn't think they were that fast until I went through one of those "slow down"chicanes at 65
[07:28] <daveake> lol
[07:29] <daveake> I can mine a "three 'oh shit!' car" ... head for a corner at silly speed, and count the "oh shit!"s from the passenger side before I actually break
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[07:29] <daveake> brake
[07:29] <UpuWork> http://www.upuaut.net/pics/IMG_3732.JPG
[07:29] <costyn> UpuWork: gorgeous!
[07:29] <daveake> Those do look nice in that colour
[07:29] <number10> I thought you had an audi UpuWork - or doy you have a fast audi and that
[07:30] <UpuWork> No I hired that for a week
[07:30] <UpuWork> I bought the Audi
[07:30] <number10> ah not so greedy then ;)
[07:30] <UpuWork> I wish :)
[07:31] <daveake> First year with it, we went on the "Stelvio 99" trip with other owners ... http://www.anvari.org/db/cols/The_Most_Dangerous_Roads_in_the_World/Stelvio_Pass_Road_Redefining_Switchbacks_2.jpg
[07:31] <UpuWork> oh yeah saw that on TG looked great
[07:31] <number10> that looks a little scary
[07:31] <UpuWork> ok need to head out
[07:31] <UpuWork> bbl
[07:31] <daveake> Oh, it's fun :)
[07:31] <number10> I must be getting old
[07:32] <daveake> It's fine so long as you don't look down :D
[07:32] <daveake> In some places the edge of the road is just a few randomly scatterered breeze blocks
[07:34] <daveake> One time I had a camcorder set up. On the way down it started to come loose, and ended up pointing sideways, over the edge. Playing it back I started to realise how scary it looks as a passenger. As a driver you're so focussed on the road that you don't really notice the drop down the side ...
[07:36] <number10> Well now I know not to take a lift with you at any time - thats twice youve scared the passangers that I knwo of ;)
[07:36] <daveake> lol
[07:42] <number10> I found aI nice little SPI pressure/altidude sensor - but did not order in time and farnell now sold out freescal MPL3115A2
[07:47] <costyn> number10: i have the BMP085 ; someone recommded it to me here on IRC; datasheet says it might not work at higher altitudes tho
[07:48] <daveake> Yes, that's common ... the pressure is so low that most of what you get is noise.
[07:48] <daveake> I have an SCP1000 in Buzz, and that's one of the better ones I believe, but I'm still not expecting a lot of useful data from it when it gets high
[07:49] <costyn> the datasheet says ceiling is 9KM; I don't really care but a fellow teammate is all about the pressures so just taking this thing along
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[07:54] <number10> I think I am spending too look selecting components, and should just do something simple to start with as my baloon payload is more likely to get lost/river/sea/tree/or miltary base
[07:54] <number10> too long
[07:55] <daveake> Easy to do. Concentrate on stuff that will help you get it back!
[07:55] <daveake> (he says, having lost one payload ...)
[07:56] <number10> I have the same gps traker that you had in cloud2 - it did manage to get a fix after it landed but some of them get a little confused having been at high altitude
[07:57] <number10> was wondering whether to dismatle and power it on when <5km
[07:58] <number10> I dont think that the Mrs would be pleased with this in the garden http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Telescopic-aerial-tower-/270830435961?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item3f0ec07e79
[07:59] <costyn> number10: haha
[07:59] <costyn> number10: neither would most of your neighborhood
[07:59] <number10> probably not costyn
[07:59] <number10> hehe
[07:59] <number10> maybe if I painted it green they would not notice
[08:00] <daveake> "must collect" ... aww, no posting?
[08:00] <costyn> number10: how are they selling this for 25? I'm guessing they just want someone to get rid of it out of their garden h
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[08:01] <number10> probably - but its a minimum bid so they may hope to get more
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[08:25] <earthshine> o/
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[08:34] <FutFutFut> Morning, I was wondering if anyone could help me understand why two output pins are used to feed the ntx2 rather than one output pin going between low and high?
[08:36] <fsphil> either method can be used
[08:36] <FutFutFut> oh cool
[08:36] <FutFutFut> i guess the same result to adjust the voltage on the pin is the end goal
[08:37] <fsphil> yea
[08:37] <fsphil> you'd still need two resistors
[08:37] <fsphil> one to bias the voltage to the centre of the 3v range
[08:37] <fsphil> and the other for the actual data
[08:37] <FutFutFut> its just that on the tx2 (not ntx2) 0v takes me out of the band into clean frequency range
[08:37] <FutFutFut> i see
[08:38] <fsphil> I used a 22k (from avr pin) and 2.2k (to vcc)
[08:38] <FutFutFut> so i was hoping to bias it at 0v (lowest frequency) and increase the frequency with a small positive voltage
[08:38] <fsphil> you'll probably need bigger resistors
[08:38] <fsphil> that would work too
[08:38] <FutFutFut> yep its wide band transmitter and frequency difference 0v and 3v is huge
[08:39] <fsphil> though I've heard it say the ntx2 are not as good at the edge of their range
[08:39] <fsphil> worth trying though
[08:39] <fsphil> you'd get away with a single resistor with that
[08:39] <FutFutFut> that makes sense not being too good at edge of range
[08:39] <number10> i looked at those values fsphil - and thought that with an internal impedance of 100k on the NTX2 the voltages were a bit high (I'll recheck the calcs though)
[08:40] <fsphil> my board was using 3.3v
[08:40] <fsphil> that might make a difference
[08:40] <FutFutFut> problem with tx2 is that there is intermittent transmissions on the central cannel from alarms and key fobs
[08:40] <fsphil> it's tricky calculating it because there are three resistors
[08:40] <number10> thats what I used in calcs - just rechecking to see what I get
[08:40] <fsphil> not a simple division :)
[08:41] <FutFutFut> so even though the signal may be weaker to the ends of the transmitters range, at least it won't be affected by these other transmissions
[08:42] <FutFutFut> with 0v to +v only one resistor required between output data and the tx2's TXD pin. nothing needed to ground
[08:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
[08:42] <fsphil> best way to play is to get a couple of potentiometers
[08:42] <FutFutFut> thats' a good idea
[08:42] <fsphil> adjust until you get the shift and frequency you want, then replace with the nearest fixed resistors
[08:42] <FutFutFut> then when the shift ok, measure the resistance
[08:43] <FutFutFut> great idea
[08:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UKHAS Conference Streaming"
[08:43] <FutFutFut> already used a similar idea when plotting voltage against frequency
[08:43] <number10> so you have 22k to the processor and 2k2 pullup UP---22k---NTX2----2k2----3v3
[08:45] <fsphil> that's it number10
[08:45] <fsphil> that always gives me 350hz shift
[08:46] <number10> I worked that out with 100k internal NTX impedance - logic 0 = 2.941v and logic 1=3.235 - I see how that gets the shift - but I also read somewhere that it was more linear around a 1.2v centre
[08:46] <fsphil> that does seem a bit high
[08:46] <fsphil> the max is suppose to be 3v
[08:47] <FutFutFut> thanks for these values
[08:47] <fsphil> does that take into account that the logic pin is grounded?
[08:47] <fsphil> when the level is 0?
[08:48] <FutFutFut> the tx2 is also 100k impedance and device is 3v version so these should work nicely
[08:48] <fsphil> you'll probably need something bigger than 22k on the logic pin
[08:48] <FutFutFut> although i think i'll try the 1 resistor method first :)
[08:48] <number10> i just caulated for two logic levels 3v3 and 0v
[08:48] <fsphil> I'll need to change my 2.2k to something bigger I think
[08:49] <fsphil> wonder if two 22k resistors would do the same
[08:50] <number10> I worked the two 22ks at 1.486 and 2.973 - so shift is two wide
[08:51] <number10> two==too
[08:51] <fsphil> need to increase both resistors then
[08:51] <fsphil> what about 22k (vcc) and 200k (logic)?
[08:52] <number10> 2.754 and 2.481
[08:53] <fsphil> a bit lower
[08:53] <fsphil> might be 300hz shift
[08:57] <number10> Im sure what you have fsphil works - and I think I saw the same values on a project that jcoxon did
[08:57] <fsphil> I suppose the bias resistor should be 50k to centre it properly
[08:59] <fsphil> other people who've used those values saw different shifts - I'm wondering if that's because it was out of spec
[09:00] <FutFutFut> I need to head off to work now
[09:00] <number10> will i think the NTX2 has internal regulator - and maybe (allthough I have not checked) it has clamps so that if you drive it above 3v slighly it clamps it to 3
[09:00] <FutFutFut> Many thanks for the help and I'll report back my findings, especially on the 0v single resistor method
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[09:01] <fsphil> that might explain it
[09:01] <fsphil> I sense some testing coming up!
[09:03] <WillDuckworth> hey fsphil - are you set up for travel to the conference?
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[09:17] <fsphil> sorta WillDuckworth :)
[09:17] <fsphil> will rush around and get everything packed tonight
[09:17] <WillDuckworth> good stuff
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[09:20] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
[09:21] <number10> fsphil - some interesting numbers with three resistors UP_TX-----249K----NTX2 NTX2---91K----3V3 NTX2---180K---0V = 1.187V and 1.620V
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[09:23] <fsphil> ooh voltage divider into a voltage divider
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[09:25] <number10> yes - I may test that
[09:25] <fsphil> I need to remember to charge everythign tonight
[09:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Earthshine Electronics "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS conference"
[09:39] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
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[09:54] <SamSilver_> Local Police hunting the 'knitting needle nutter' who has stabbed six people in the arse in the last 48 hours, believe the attacker could be following some kind of pattern.
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[09:56] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:56] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15278838 <-- anyone testing a hab payload there? :)
[09:57] <fsphil> how could that even make the news
[09:58] <daveake> lol
[09:58] <costyn> fsphil: must be slow news day :)
[10:01] <fsphil> I block the keys fobs on my street all the time :)
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[10:03] <costyn> heh... which frequency is it that clashes?
[10:03] <fsphil> 434mhz
[10:04] <fsphil> the ntx2 can easily wipe out a street
[10:04] <costyn> hmmm strange that there's nomention of that on the radiometrix website?
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[10:04] <costyn> or do they assume most buyers would be aware of this
[10:04] <hibby> it;s the unlicensed spectrum
[10:04] <fsphil> anyone can do what they want there
[10:04] <hibby> loads of shit goes down, a bit like the wild west
[10:04] <fsphil> within the rules
[10:05] <fsphil> and often outside them too :)
[10:05] <hibby> rules?!
[10:05] <fsphil> haha
[10:05] <costyn> hehe
[10:05] <fsphil> suggestions
[10:05] <daveake> And the outside temperature senders, and the oil tank level senders, ....
[10:05] <hibby> i think it's time for MOAR COFFEE
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[10:06] <hibby> planning on getting a new mobo and processor today so I can bring my dekstop back to life and do moar matlab in the flat
[10:06] <fsphil> 434mhz is full of crap here
[10:06] <fsphil> moar mhz?
[10:06] <hibby> might even get around to making a balloon float model. Need the practise ;)
[10:06] <hibby> current one is dead, sadly
[10:06] <hibby> and i cba buying new bios and soldering it
[10:06] <hibby> when i can get some sort of phenom II with many cores for about 200 quids
[10:06] <hibby> and rams and mobo
[10:06] <hibby> plug it in and resume
[10:07] <hibby> thanks linux, no licensing bitchin
[10:07] <fsphil> true
[10:07] <hibby> and get native virtualisation
[10:07] <fsphil> I has that, it's great
[10:08] <SamSilver_> The culprit has now been revealed as the hand-held wireless devices used to take orders at a nearby bistro.
[10:09] <fsphil> had an amateur lived on that street he'd have gotten the blame immediately
[10:10] <fsphil> *oh it'll be the guy with four aerials on the roof*
[10:10] <fsphil> which fair enough in my case is right
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[10:11] <hibby> hahah
[10:11] <hibby> man
[10:11] <hibby> i need a new soldering iron too and I can resume my antenna experients
[10:11] Action: hibby is writing a new digital mode for shits and/or giggles
[10:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UKHAS Conference Streaming"
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[10:13] <hibby> my idea is to have arduinos send and receive data using it
[10:15] Action: costyn needs a better soldering station too... thinking of getting this one: http://www.nedis.com/Articles/HQ/HQ-SOLDER&frasl;30.php
[10:15] <costyn> not too painful in the wallet; should be capable enough for me
[10:16] <hibby> as long as you can find replacement tips etxc
[10:16] <hibby> *etc
[10:18] <daveake> Indeed
[10:18] <daveake> I've always used the Antex stations.
[10:18] <daveake> Everyone else uses Weller :p
[10:20] <number10> I found a good setup for mobile tracking with your lotus daveake http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MASTERMAST-24m-HEAVY-DUTY-TRAILER-MAST-versatower-/190579978752?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item2c5f73b200
[10:20] <hibby> that's what the strange wee guy on both hamnation and amateurlogic.tv
[10:20] <costyn> I dunno; I'd like to get something which will allow me to do the occasional SMD soldering, but I'm not soldering professionally, so I don't memory functions or other advanced features;
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[10:21] <hibby> we should totally have a twit-style live recorded international round table on HABing every (2) week or so
[10:21] <daveake> number10 LOL
[10:21] <daveake> No tow bar :D
[10:22] <number10> £240 from towbarexpree ;-) ..
[10:22] <number10> anyway you missed sensible conversations while you were gone
[10:23] <number10> so I must stop larking around
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[10:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Howest Explores Frank De Winne and Technology at the Wevelgem
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[10:56] <costyn> interesting video, good initiative
[10:57] <costyn> I guess that launch was the one they sent into the north sea
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[11:05] <rjharrison> Right who lives here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15278838
[11:06] <daveake> Discussed that here earlier. Nobody owned up :D
[11:06] <hibby> was airplane scatter with my 70cm array :p
[11:08] <rjharrison> lol
[11:08] <rjharrison> 434.075 is bad for this
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[11:14] <UpuMobile> hi
[11:15] <UpuMobile> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php
[11:15] <UpuMobile> and click UKHAS
[11:15] <UpuMobile> can you see me ?
[11:15] <UpuMobile> excuse crap camera its built in one on netbook
[11:16] <SamSilver> nope
[11:16] <hibby> cant see ukhas]
[11:17] <SamSilver> no ukhas
[11:17] <UpuMobile> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3
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[11:17] <jonsowman> hello!
[11:18] <daveake> UpuMobile yes that works
[11:18] <daveake> Dark tho
[11:18] <SamSilver> you are back lit
[11:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Jonathan Pelham "Re: [UKHAS] Laptop for Conference"
[11:18] <daveake> It hides his face. Perhaps this is a good thing? :p ;)
[11:18] <UpuMobile> oh yeah I'm sat in a cold server room
[11:19] <UpuMobile> waiting for servers to update
[11:19] <UpuMobile> just testing
[11:19] <jonsowman> :)
[11:19] <hibby> well that worked for me
[11:19] <UpuMobile> good
[11:19] <jonsowman> all good here
[11:19] <UpuMobile> ok thanks will do some proper testing this evening
[11:20] <UpuMobile> sounds not working because mike in netbook = broken
[11:20] <jonsowman> ah
[11:20] <UpuMobile> but just imagine lots of fans and air con noise
[11:20] <jonsowman> lol
[11:20] <UpuMobile> crap camera this
[11:25] <UpuMobile> cheers
[11:25] <UpuMobile> will test properly later on
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[11:27] <UpuMobile> just got rid of my ugly mug
[11:29] <SamSilver> where did you get that mask from?
[11:29] <SamSilver> :p
[11:29] Action: UpuMobile pokes SamSilver
[11:30] <UpuMobile> now next to embed it at UKHAS
[11:30] <UpuMobile> but that can wait
[11:32] <SamSilver> back in a bit . reboot
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[11:34] <Physicsboy> Hi guys, I'm just looking at radio receivers as a first one for HAB. Have no real idea about them, and didn't know if you knew any good/budget brands I should look out for?
[11:35] <fsphil> on ebay, the ft-790r can sometimes go quite cheap. but needs patience
[11:35] <fsphil> they don't appear too often
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[11:39] <Physicsboy> Thanks, thats the sort of thing i (think) I need:-)
[11:39] <Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/2HafjPx9
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[11:42] <Darkside> Icom IC-R10
[11:43] <Randomskk> the yaesu ft817 is a bit more expensive but great
[11:43] <Randomskk> the icon ic7000 is like the best little radio ever
[11:44] <Randomskk> but in reality not that portable so loses out for hab tracking, and is so so expensive :P
[11:45] <UpuMobile> last 790 went for £100
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Physicsboy: Also - this depends on where you are.
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> In the UK, 433 is where it's at for balloons for regulatory reasons.
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[11:47] <Physicsboy> I'm in the uk speedevil. What's 433? Excuse me being a complete newbie!
[11:48] <UpuMobile> the frequency
[11:48] <UpuMobile> 433.075Mhz and 433.650Mhz
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[11:48] <UpuMobile> the two we can use
[11:49] <UpuMobile> we have a conference on Saturday might be worth tuning into the live stream
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[11:49] <Physicsboy> I'm actually coming along on saturday, is anyone from here going?
[11:50] <UpuMobile> oh perfect
[11:50] <UpuMobile> All paid ?
[11:50] <UpuMobile> Lost track of who I've chased
[11:50] <UpuMobile> I'm bringing an 817
[11:50] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSIlver_
[11:50] <UpuMobile> and going to give a demo of tracking using the software, laptop and radio
[11:50] <Physicsboy> Ive been chased, but just paying as we speak
[11:51] <fsphil> UpuMobile, 434mhz
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> Will there be a launch, or is it a fake one?
[11:51] <UpuMobile> thanks Physicsboy
[11:51] <UpuMobile> sorry
[11:51] <UpuMobile> 434 yes
[11:51] <UpuMobile> typo
[11:53] <Physicsboy> Paid
[11:53] <UpuMobile> cheers
[11:53] <Physicsboy> Sorry, who is everyone (new to irc too)
[11:53] <fsphil> are we heading out somewhere for launch or will we bring something?
[11:53] <UpuMobile> Well hopeing to get pizza in
[11:54] <fsphil> lunch* not launch
[11:54] <fsphil> nice
[11:54] <UpuMobile> I have to call them later today and check they are open
[11:54] <UpuMobile> I'm Anthony Stirk Physicsboy
[11:54] <UpuMobile> the one pestering you via mail
[11:54] <fsphil> <-- philip heron
[11:54] <GW8RAK> Physicsboy, a scanner radio which does SSB also works and can be cheaper than a transceiver. Such as the Yupiteru MVT-7100
[11:55] <Physicsboy> Ah yes, I do usually need a bit of a prod
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[11:56] <Physicsboy> Thanks, I'll be taking a look at these tonight and will probably have a few questions on Saturday
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[11:57] <Physicsboy> Oh well, have to get back to work. Was good to meet some of you and see you on Saturday
[11:59] <UpuMobile> see you there
[12:02] <Darkside> GW8RAK: ahh the good old yupi MVT-7100
[12:02] <Darkside> i'e got one of those sitting in a box..
[12:03] <hibby> christmas advert on the old youtubes already
[12:05] <GW8RAK> I've found it reasonably sensitive Darkside
[12:05] <Darkside> yeah, mine was too
[12:05] <Darkside> until i tried to wire in an IF tap
[12:05] <Darkside> R10 works a charm though
[12:05] <GW8RAK> With a preamp, it's great and covers any activity on 800MHz if anyone wantst to try it
[12:05] <Darkside> plus it has a variable attenuator knob
[12:05] <Darkside> variable attenuator means awesome for direction finding
[12:06] <Darkside> in fact, its probably one of the only scanners that can do it
[12:06] <GW8RAK> It's the first scanner I've had, so just got a cheapish one of ebay.
[12:06] <GW8RAK> Would love a decent one, but not enough activity to justify it.
[12:07] <Darkside> R10s are about teh same price as the MVTs second hand i think
[12:07] <Darkside> shenki got one for AUD$150 or so a few weeks ago
[12:07] <eroomde> there are lots of names i don't recognize on the attendence list
[12:07] <eroomde> it's very exciting
[12:07] <eroomde> amazing how this has grown!
[12:08] <UpuMobile> yeah its a nightmare :)
[12:09] <UpuMobile> we need 10 stream, no wait 20, oh shit someone just told the US of A
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[12:09] <UpuMobile> all good fun
[12:10] <Darkside> mm i might be watching too
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[12:10] <Darkside> :P
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[12:46] <fsphil> is The Hub easy enough to find?
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[12:51] <fsphil> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=5+Torrens+Street,+London,+EC1V+1NQ&hl=en&ll=51.532392,-0.105269&spn=0.00124,0.002411&sll=51.532322,-0.105164&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&layer=c&cbp=13,139.91,,0,0.84&cbll=51.532391,-0.105268&gl=uk&hnear=5+Torrens+St,+London+EC1V+1NQ,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=0&panoid=tYMZzdN9NmvP0v_RRi_OVQ
[12:51] <fsphil> Not sure it's big enough :)
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[12:56] <WillDuckworth> i've been the arc pub before - bit of a trendy wine bar though
[12:57] <fsphil> it looks it
[12:57] <fsphil> ooh two for one pizza
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[13:03] <WillDuckworth> hi NigeyS - are you getting the train to Laaarndon?
[13:04] <NigeyS> hey WillDuckworth, yup, me and phil are on the 5:55 from cardiff
[13:04] <WillDuckworth> change at Hereford?
[13:04] <NigeyS> no change, think its a straight run
[13:05] <NigeyS> iirc its the swansea to paddington train
[13:05] <WillDuckworth> ah, ok, if it was that one then it would've passed via Worcester
[13:05] <NigeyS> ahhh, you attending ?
[13:05] <WillDuckworth> early start then ;)
[13:05] <Darkside> ouch
[13:05] <NigeyS> to bloody early..lol
[13:05] <WillDuckworth> yep, aim to be in Paddington about 9.20
[13:05] <WillDuckworth> 9.30
[13:05] <NigeyS> oo
[13:06] <NigeyS> we get in about 8:10 .. could probably go and have breakfast and meet u there ?
[13:06] <NigeyS> Darkside !
[13:06] <Darkside> !!
[13:06] <NigeyS> that ntx2 refuses to work ya know
[13:07] <Darkside> ffffffff
[13:07] <WillDuckworth> yeah - play it by ear. think the underground is out - but the bus H goes to Angel
[13:07] <NigeyS> changed pins, code, the lot, something odd going on
[13:07] <Darkside> NigeyS: bring it to the convention, i'm sure someone will work it out
[13:07] <Darkside> :P
[13:07] <NigeyS> WillDuckworth, i dont do buses! lol ill pay for a taxi for us
[13:07] <WillDuckworth> lol
[13:07] <NigeyS> Darkside, will do :D
[13:07] <WillDuckworth> about 20 quid ish
[13:08] <WillDuckworth> taxi
[13:08] <NigeyS> that's cool
[13:08] <NigeyS> saves arsing around with smelly buses full of weird people!
[13:09] <BrainDamage> psh, you only need a larger balloon
[13:10] <NigeyS> meh give windows an extra 8 gig of ram and its still dog slow :/
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[13:16] <daveake> That's like giving a baby a pair of racing Nikes and expecting him to crawl across the floor quicker
[13:18] <NigeyS> lol
[13:24] <fsphil> a 25 year old baby
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[13:37] <Blackover> Hello!
[13:42] <Zuph> Morning!
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[13:45] <WillDuckworth> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15278838
[13:45] <WillDuckworth> someone's hab'ing
[13:48] <daveake> lol
[13:48] <daveake> You're the 3rd person (at least) to post that link today :P
[13:48] <WillDuckworth> yeah - i drift in and out ;)
[13:49] <daveake> :)
[13:49] <daveake> Still nobody has owned up :)
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[13:51] <fsphil> *innocent*
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[14:19] <eroomde> fsphil: i didn't realise you were coming all the way over to the conference
[14:19] <eroomde> that's cool
[14:19] <eroomde> are you going to give a lightnign talk?
[14:21] <NigeyS> *waves at eroomde*
[14:22] <eroomde> hello NigeyS
[14:22] <eroomde> you too huh
[14:22] <eroomde> i've just put together my slides
[14:22] <NigeyS> aye i'm in attendance
[14:22] <NigeyS> oo
[14:23] <NigeyS> if phil doesnt get us lost that is ;)
[14:23] <eroomde> it might be quite a high speed talk
[14:23] <NigeyS> whats the topic ed ?
[14:23] <eroomde> high subsonic parachute testing in the straosphere
[14:24] <eroomde> so basically just a show and tell for what we did for esa
[14:24] <NigeyS> ahh yeah, looking forward to that !
[14:25] <eroomde> it was a wee adventure for sure
[14:25] <NigeyS> i bet
[14:28] <NigeyS> fsphil, weather looks good for a pico tomorrow if we can get the hardware working
[14:29] <eroomde> where's it heading?
[14:29] <eroomde> london?
[14:30] <NigeyS> let me run a prediction, it may well head that way
[14:31] <fsphil> eroomde, I've nothing prepared for a talk but I may show my tracky program for habitat if I can get it working in time
[14:31] <fsphil> and NigeyS I've only gotten lost in London the once :)
[14:31] <eroomde> i'd be v interested in a quick talk on your sdtv stuff
[14:31] <fsphil> pi9co launch would be cool
[14:32] <fsphil> pico*
[14:32] <jonsowman> fsphil: and habhound :)
[14:32] <fsphil> yea I could talk about ssdv a bit, but it would be pretty informal. more of a chat :)
[14:32] <WillDuckworth> same here - quick sdtv talk .....
[14:32] <eroomde> what's your tracky program?
[14:32] <WillDuckworth> would be interesting
[14:32] <NigeyS> hah oki, its definately not heading for london...
[14:32] <eroomde> fsphil: i think lighting talks are perfect for informal chats
[14:32] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7b5be41a81f88e2a9b85dfac8f2e60249e49ad2d
[14:32] <fsphil> habhound eroomde, it's a frontend for habitat
[14:32] <fsphil> basically a local version of spacenear.us
[14:32] <eroomde> ah cool
[14:32] <rjharrison> anyone in London on Friday night?
[14:32] <eroomde> nopes
[14:33] <jonsowman> i'll be at home in surrey...
[14:33] <eroomde> they joy of living near civilisation is that i don't have to go to it the night before :p
[14:33] <rjharrison> lol
[14:34] <Laurenceb> im going down of saturday morning
[14:34] <Laurenceb> 1hour 20minutes door to door on the train, insane
[14:35] <fsphil> we'll be in the train for three hours
[14:35] <NigeyS> Laurenceb, ure coming? :D
[14:35] <Laurenceb> yes
[14:35] <WillDuckworth> not bad Laurenceb - 2 and a hlaf hrs here
[14:35] <NigeyS> yey
[14:35] <NigeyS> phil whats our train journey, 2 hours ish ?
[14:35] <eroomde> 40 mins booya
[14:36] <fsphil> NigeyS, yes you're right, just over 2 hours
[14:36] <fsphil> not sure where I got the 3
[14:36] <NigeyS> :p
[14:37] <eroomde> bbiab
[14:37] <NigeyS> meh thats cheating ed! :P
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[14:40] <UpuWork> check http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3
[14:42] <UpuWork> only running @ 100kbps
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[14:52] <rjharrison> is Furgus do you know ed
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[14:55] <eroomde> rjharrison : is fergus what?
[14:55] <rjharrison> ahh comming to london
[14:55] <rjharrison> Brain finger problem
[14:55] <UpuWork> afternoon Rob
[14:56] <eroomde> no
[14:56] <eroomde> he's in the states
[14:56] <rjharrison> ! that keen then
[14:56] <eroomde> bit of a schlep
[14:57] Action: hibby grumbles at how slow
[14:57] <hibby> windows appears to run on this box
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[14:59] <NigeyS> hibby, i just gave windows another 8 gig ram and its still dog slow, so ure not on ure own!
[15:00] <hibby> lol. Maybe it's because it's not been on in 6 months
[15:00] <Zuph> Install Linux, porblem solved.
[15:00] <hibby> linux was slower
[15:00] <Zuph> PORBLEM. SOLVED.
[15:00] <hibby> oh, and the compatability for my graphics card is wank.
[15:01] <hibby> maybe it's because I gave it a new processor, motherboard and ram to think about
[15:02] <NigeyS> Zuph ! good interview :)
[15:02] <NigeyS> hibby, always reformat after putting a new MB in :)
[15:02] <Zuph> NigeyS: Thanks!
[15:03] <eroomde> Zuph: what interview?
[15:03] <hibby> NigeyS: I know, but I'm lazy, opportunistic and don't have a win pro x64 disk kicking about
[15:03] <hibby> and it runs GTA fine
[15:03] <hibby> it's just doing... normal things that it appears to shit itself at
[15:04] <NigeyS> hibby, ouch, kinda like mine, its slow as hell browsing and booting up, but plays the games perfectly :/
[15:05] <Zuph> eroomde: Gave an interview to an internet TV show at a local hacker conference, talking mostly about white star: http://revision3.com/hak5/conspectacular/trans-atlantic-ballooning-with-brad-from-lvl1-hackerspace-at-derbycon
[15:05] <hibby> i'll fire arch on the linux partition later
[15:06] <hibby> but until that point, im being lazy
[15:06] <hibby> it just appears not to be using the cores when doing mundane things
[15:06] <hibby> currently EVE is hashing some files, and the max usage is 22%
[15:07] <hibby> so it's going to take 30 minutes, apparently
[15:08] <NigeyS> ow!
[15:09] <hibby> oh well
[15:09] <hibby> im away t'shops for lunch
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[15:19] <eroomde> Zuph: you should have rapped it
[15:24] <eroomde> like the contributor before you
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[16:34] <priyesh> are the server problems still ongoing?
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[16:48] <DanielRichman> priyesh: rock solid stable
[16:48] <DanielRichman> i.e., we have new hardware :P
[16:49] <priyesh> i cant download the payload list DanielRichman
[16:49] <DanielRichman> nessie is still... up, somehow, but it certainly isn't running any services.
[16:49] <DanielRichman> oh :S. let me look at that
[16:50] <DanielRichman> oooh, HTTP 500
[16:50] <DanielRichman> nice
[16:50] <DanielRichman> ok give me a second ;-)
[16:51] <NigeyS> 500's are nice!
[16:52] <priyesh> :)
[17:02] <priyesh> any progress
[17:02] <priyesh> ?
[17:03] <DanielRichman> yes; almost fixed
[17:03] <DanielRichman> payload list should now work
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[17:04] <priyesh> yep :)
[17:04] <DanielRichman> now I just need to fix the receivers json list
[17:05] <priyesh> DanielRichman: can i just confirm one thing? what does it take to get a payload live on spacenear.us? I've got a load of mixed answers :S
[17:05] <DanielRichman> so basically
[17:05] <DanielRichman> 1) http://habhub.org/genpayload
[17:05] <DanielRichman> 2) pastebin
[17:05] <DanielRichman> 3) done
[17:06] <priyesh> we've done that
[17:06] <DanielRichman> well, besides building the payload, and receiving some telemetry
[17:06] <priyesh> and it's on the server
[17:06] <DanielRichman> right
[17:06] <priyesh> and I'm decoding right now
[17:06] <priyesh> (and uploading)
[17:06] <DanielRichman> yeah I just fixed another thing
[17:06] <DanielRichman> should be showing up now
[17:06] <DanielRichman> if the next string doesn't show up give me a shout and I'll look at the logs
[17:06] <priyesh> still not showing for me
[17:06] <DanielRichman> ah, okay :P
[17:06] <Dan-K2VOL> Hey upu
[17:07] <priyesh> i'll wait for one more packet
[17:07] <hibby> evening, Dan-K2VOL
[17:07] <Upu> hey Dan
[17:07] <hibby> I was just thinking about you earlier today
[17:07] <priyesh> uploaded
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Hibby
[17:07] <priyesh> DanielRichman: not on spacenearus
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> upu did you get my link?
[17:07] <Upu> got movie
[17:08] <Dan-K2VOL> oh great
[17:08] <Upu> will grab it shortly thx
[17:08] <Upu> just sorting streaming!
[17:08] <Dan-K2VOL> k sounds good, let me know if you want a hand setting things up or testing
[17:09] <Upu> sure thx
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> good luck
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> what were u thinkin hibby?
[17:10] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: I was thinking about a regular HAB related international roundtable in a twit-livecast style
[17:10] <hibby> i was thinking of people who'd be keen, was all
[17:10] <hibby> as we all need to talk more about balloons
[17:11] <Dan-K2VOL> oh hey, that sounds fun. I'm not familiar with the format, I"ll have to look at that show
[17:12] <hibby> there's a load of shows at twit.tv - they all skype in (for most of them) to a central location, and someone flicks between video streams depending on who's talking
[17:12] <hibby> and then the video is piped out to ustream of justin.tv and made available for download later
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[17:12] <Dan-K2VOL> oh nice, lol sort of a like a google hangout, we could try that for a simple start
[17:13] <hibby> indeed
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[17:14] <Dan-K2VOL> that's a great idea
[17:15] <DanielRichman> okay priyesh
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[17:15] <DanielRichman> No configuration document for callsign 'ALPHA' found. <-- this may be due to the "start" and "end" parameters in a flight doc. To automatically clean up old docs, all flight docs have start and end dates
[17:15] <DanielRichman> it also naturally splits things into separate flights
[17:16] <DanielRichman> are you launching soon or just testing?
[17:16] <priyesh> testing now, launching in just over a week
[17:17] <DanielRichman> okay then. When we add flight doc management by a shiny awesome web app thing then we plan to allow people to create a 'testing' doc and then a 'flight' doc for the real thing (more info in the habitat talk on saturday :P)
[17:17] <DanielRichman> but for now I'll just create a 2 week doc because I'm lazy :S
[17:17] <priyesh> thanks :)
[17:17] <priyesh> will it be the same ID? or a new one?
[17:17] <DanielRichman> (and because there's no web gui to automate it <-- real reason)
[17:17] <DanielRichman> a new id
[17:17] <priyesh> okay
[17:18] <priyesh> when's the web app going live?
[17:18] <priyesh> sounds great! :)
[17:18] <DanielRichman> well
[17:18] <DanielRichman> that's a good question
[17:18] <DanielRichman> recent development time has been spent on presentations rather than code, but
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope to video in for a 10 min Q&A at the end of my section, but I could easily IRC respond to questions
[17:18] <DanielRichman> I don't know where it will end up on the todo list, so it's hard to say
[17:18] <DanielRichman> basically asap
[17:19] <Dan-K2VOL> DanielRichman, who does the predictor software?
[17:19] <priyesh> okay
[17:20] <Upu> looks great Dan-K2VOL
[17:21] <DanielRichman> kay so we're going from the 13th to the 27th
[17:21] <priyesh> DanielRichman: sounds good
[17:22] <priyesh> as a temporary solution, there could be a version of spacenearus which just displays everything which comes in to the DL
[17:22] <priyesh> if that is possible?
[17:22] <DanielRichman> Dan-K2VOL: it's a CUSF thing; was first created by ... (checks copyright in files) "Rich Wareham, Rob Anderson, Fergus Noble" (and maybe some I've missed). Adam & Jon wrote the new web interface for it (on github, with the original source embedded)
[17:23] <DanielRichman> priyesh: yes and no
[17:23] <DanielRichman> we can create flight docs that last forever, but it will make it a lot harder to tidy them up when we change over
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[17:24] <DanielRichman> priyesh: doc saved
[17:24] <priyesh> DanielRichman: thanks :)
[17:24] <DanielRichman> [2011-10-13 17:24:44,518] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from ALPHA succesfully
[17:24] <DanielRichman> [I manually re-posted one of your strings]
[17:25] <DanielRichman> ... and there you are on spacenear.us ;-)
[17:25] <priyesh> DanielRichman: thanks :)
[17:27] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks Upu, perfectionism kept me indecisive on the content until the last minute, but I think it will be quite educational and not over advanced hobbyists heads
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[17:27] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks Upu, perfectionism kept me indecisive on the content until the last minute, but I think it will be quite educational and not over advanced hobbyists heads
[17:28] <Upu> I skimmed it
[17:28] <Upu> and no maths till last 5 mins
[17:28] <Upu> = good :)
[17:28] <Dan-K2VOL> haha :-) easier on my part too :-P
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[17:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I'd like to try video chat for Q&A, any protocol/app is ok for me here
[17:30] <Dan-K2VOL> or just audio chat, I'm open to what's easy
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[17:48] <cuddykid> hi all
[17:52] <WillDuckworth> hiya cuddykid
[17:54] <fsphil-laptop> evenin
[18:00] <Upu> catch you in about an hour or two Dan-K2VOL
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[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> can never find a usb cable when you need one
[18:06] <Dan-K2VOL> k upu
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[18:11] <cuddykid> hi WillDuckworth :)
[18:15] <cuddykid> guys - I don't think I'm going to be able to attend on Sat :( for 2 reasons: 1) the cost of getting there & back along with the cost of the event (on a student budget!!) 2) I would have to get up about 6:30 and I'm planning to go out tomorrow night & eek!
[18:16] <cuddykid> I was looking forward to it aswell :( .. Upu - are you dealing with admin etc for the event?
[18:17] <Randomskk> I'm going there and back on a student budget :P
[18:18] <cuddykid> Randomskk: where are you based?
[18:19] <Randomskk> cambridge, admittedly
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[18:27] <WillDuckworth> ttfn
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[18:29] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone going willing to ask an IRC question out in the Q&A sections if they run out of in-person questions?
[18:29] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: we need text2speech
[18:29] <natrium42> an irssi script + apple say command?
[18:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I can rig it up on a macbook if you give me remote access (teamviewer)
[18:30] <fsphil> that could be fun
[18:30] <Dan-K2VOL> or anyone can, using Adium app, it's built in
[18:30] <natrium42> oh?
[18:31] <Dan-K2VOL> it's built in to Adium I mean
[18:31] <natrium42> nice, do it fsphil
[18:31] <natrium42> :D
[18:31] <fsphil> I have espeak on linux, but it's not very clear
[18:31] <zyp> penis
[18:31] <Dan-K2VOL> I regularly have this IRC room speaking out loud using the Alex voice on OSX and it does a fairly clear job
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> except when people say XD which comes out as X D
[18:32] <natrium42> ex deeee XD
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> yup
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[18:32] <natrium42> thatwhat i say too when somebody does XD
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
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[18:49] <EI5GTB> god i love paypal... when i moved to the uk... everything went smooth... the hardest thing by far is moving my paypal account
[18:50] <cuddykid> nice Randomskk :)
[18:51] <fsphil> paypal "how dare you do something outside what we expect you to do"
[18:54] <Upu> hi
[18:54] <Upu> yes Cuddy
[18:54] <Upu> can't make it ?
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> wow, fsphil look what i found
[18:55] <nosebleedKT> http://wiki.argentdata.com/index.php/SSTVCAM
[18:57] <EI5GTB> fsphil yes! paypal must think its illegal to hold a credit cards from different countries
[18:58] <priyesh> when using GPS data, would you use the "Height of geoid above WGS84 ellipsoid" to the altitude or just use the altitude?
[18:59] <fsphil> nosebleedKT, indeed a very cute little gizmo!
[19:01] <nosebleedKT> fsphil it outputs SSTV images?
[19:01] <nosebleedKT> and i can send them through a radiometrix device?
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[19:02] <fsphil> nosebleedKT, FM modulated yea. though that will reduce range a bit
[19:02] <nosebleedKT> what do u mean?
[19:04] <fsphil> a 10mw FM signal will be difficult to receive at distance
[19:04] <nosebleedKT> who said i will put a 10mw radiometrix?
[19:04] <nosebleedKT> I can use a 300mw i guess
[19:05] <nosebleedKT> i dont get you
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[19:05] <cuddykid> Upu - can I confirm tomorrow whether or not I can make it?
[19:05] <fsphil> what frequency?
[19:06] <Upu> sure
[19:06] <priyesh> Upu: any advice on the above question?
[19:06] <priyesh> fsphil: ^
[19:06] <Upu> err you're asking me :)
[19:06] <number10> lol
[19:06] <Upu> I put stuff in the sea
[19:07] <Upu> Altitude
[19:07] <number10> but you take great movies
[19:07] <Upu> because I don't know what the other one is :)
[19:07] <fsphil> lol
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[19:10] <fsphil> nosebleedKT, 300mw would work fine but you need to be careful what frequency you use -- you won't want to be doing sstv on 144.800 :)
[19:11] <W0OTM> Howdy
[19:11] <fsphil> and I've totally lost all my usb a<>b cables
[19:11] <fsphil> eveing W0OTM
[19:11] <nosebleedKT> yeah, I'll do 433mhz
[19:11] <W0OTM> sup fsphil
[19:12] Action: fsphil is packing, flying to cardiff in the morning, then london on saturday. yay :)
[19:12] <nosebleedKT> ASFK on 433mhz is a bad idea?
[19:12] <nosebleedKT> AFSK*
[19:12] <priyesh> fsphil: any idea about the gps question? (sorry to keep bothering you :P)
[19:14] <Upu> most people use the altitude from the GPGGA string
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[19:14] <fsphil> I'm with upu, gps altitude is accurate enough for me
[19:15] <fsphil> can't imagine it would ever be all that much out
[19:15] <SamSilver_> the internets are wonky like the windoes
[19:15] <Upu> field 8 I think
[19:15] <Upu> its what everyone else has used so I would use that
[19:15] <fsphil> nosebleedKT, FM on low power is a bad idea
[19:16] <priyesh> yep.. i'm using field 8 atm
[19:16] <priyesh> so no need to add geoidal separation to that
[19:16] <priyesh> okay
[19:16] <priyesh> thankss
[19:16] <Upu> welcome
[19:17] <Upu> Dan-K2VOL about ?
[19:18] <nosebleedKT> fsphil: what do you mean ?
[19:20] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Conducting some payload tests on Alpha before the tomorrow's test trip. #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/124565209879818241]
[19:22] <fsphil> I'm not sure how I can describe it simply
[19:22] <nosebleedKT> it would be 300mw AFSK FM on 433mhz :)
[19:22] <nosebleedKT> http://hab-ham.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16
[19:22] <fsphil> that would probably have fairly good range
[19:23] <nosebleedKT> fairly == positive meaning?
[19:23] <fsphil> fairly == I've never done it, so don't know :)
[19:23] <fsphil> but I expect so
[19:24] <fsphil> FM is quite a wide signal, and taking 10mw and spreading it out makes it very weak. using 300mw will help a lot
[19:24] <nosebleedKT> i get you
[19:24] <fsphil> the RTTY signals we normally transmit are very narrow - the power is focused
[19:25] <fsphil> 100Hz for rtty vs. 15000Hz for FM for example
[19:25] <nosebleedKT> i never understood your RTTY project and that fldigi
[19:25] <nosebleedKT> i made all my start with that trackduino project
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[19:27] <fsphil> if amateur radio had been legal here I bet we'd all be doing APRS too :)
[19:27] <fsphil> *legal on a balloon
[19:28] <Dan-K2VOL> upu here
[19:28] <Upu> hey Dan-K2VOL
[19:28] <Upu> whats your preferred method of communcation ?
[19:28] <Upu> SKyPE ?
[19:29] <Dan-K2VOL> Bill Brown has done balloon-borne AFSK on 2m with low power recently, might want to email him, I'll pm you his email nosebleedKT
[19:29] <Dan-K2VOL> Skype is good upu
[19:29] <natrium42> fsphil: so when are you coming up to palo alto?
[19:29] <Upu> let me set it up
[19:29] <Dan-K2VOL> ok
[19:29] <Upu> not sure how we are going to amplify you :)
[19:29] <Upu> just downloading it now bear with me
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> an ipod dock speaker works well for portable stuff like that I've found
[19:30] <nosebleedKT> Dan-K2VOL: thx
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> take ur time
[19:41] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: are you speaking at HabCon?
[19:42] <Dan-K2VOL> yes hibby, a recording of me will, and if the skype gods and upu's luck are smiling, I will speak for the Q&A
[19:42] <hibby> sweet
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[19:42] <hibby> im away paddling up north, but I'll look out for it in the wiki on monday
[19:42] <hibby> as it will be on the wiki, eh guys?
[19:42] <Dan-K2VOL> eh?
[19:43] <hibby> making sure the weekend is properly minuted ;)
[19:43] <Dan-K2VOL> oh as a recording? good Q. Upu and james are working hard on the streaming
[19:43] <Upu> streaming is working
[19:43] <Upu> we are just getting permission to embed it
[19:43] <Dan-K2VOL> great!
[19:44] <Dan-K2VOL> what's the company?
[19:44] <Upu> batc.tv
[19:44] <Dan-K2VOL> ok
[19:44] <Upu> pm me your SkyPE name pls Dan
[19:56] <Upu> microphone seems to be stuffed in this netbook
[19:57] <Dan-K2VOL> that's ok, I can listen on the stream
[19:58] <Upu> I'll sort it....
[19:58] <Upu> it works if I shout at it
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[19:59] <Upu> second webcam time
[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> No need for you to send video on skype, if the main stream is running
[20:00] <W0OTM> HOW CUTE IS THIS?!?! http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/Media/KB7VML/IMG_5688.JPG
[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> I worry the net connection outbound may cause the main stream to suffer
[20:04] <Upu> sent a request Dan
[20:05] <Upu> Right another thing ticked off thx Dan
[20:06] <Dan-K2VOL> sorry called you steve there at the end, have been looking for steve randall all day :-)
[20:06] <Dan-K2VOL> great, I'll let you go on, I know you've got a lot to do!
[20:06] <Upu> Ah don't worry you can call me whatever you want
[20:06] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[20:07] <Upu> was very clear
[20:09] <Dan-K2VOL> very good, will keep the the skype app on the phone ready, will likely use the laptop for the actual call, as it's got a better cam
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[20:13] <Hiena> ' evening!
[20:13] <Hiena> How things goes up?
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[20:39] <Upu> http://imagebin.org/178871 my strings were the wrong length!
[20:41] <Upu> ok
[20:41] <Upu> http://stream.ukhas.org.uk
[20:41] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[20:42] Action: fsphil is bringing a camera -- I can make an HD recording
[20:44] <fsphil> stream working well
[20:48] <Upu> good
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[21:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Conference"
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[21:25] <DanielRichman> Upu: what webcam are you using to stream?
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:33] <Upu> hi DanielRichman 1 sec I'll lnk
[21:33] <Upu> link
[21:33] <Upu> http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/webcam-communications/webcams/devices/6816
[21:33] <Upu> that one
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[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi zachjacobs
[21:34] <Upu> and thanks DanielRichman for sorting out the streaming page looks great
[21:36] <DanielRichman> ooh, nice
[21:36] <DanielRichman> np :)
[21:36] <Upu> my company paid for the camera
[21:36] <Upu> "testing purposes"
[21:36] <DanielRichman> seems reasonable to me
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:37] <Upu> I've got a tripod for it too
[21:37] <Upu> so qualit should be good
[21:37] <Upu> quality
[21:37] <Upu> my typing is bad today
[21:37] <Upu> I also have bog standard webcam I can use for alternate views if needed
[21:37] <Upu> it can run 2 at once
[21:38] <Upu> http://stream.ukhas.org.uk/
[21:38] <Upu> think the payload is about to land in the sea
[21:39] <DanielRichman> that's cool. Is there any way we can show what's being projected/the current slide?
[21:39] <Upu> yeah
[21:39] <DanielRichman> that doesn't really have to be a stream just a screenshot though
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[21:39] <Upu> see
[21:39] <Upu> stream
[21:39] <Upu> now
[21:40] <DanielRichman> yup; that's cool
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:40] <Upu> whether the netbook can handle the effects is another matter
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> but XABEN seems to be in Belgium, not in the sea?
[21:41] <Upu> we'll see
[21:41] <Upu> its playing the decent video from my flight Lunar_Lander
[21:41] <DanielRichman> hehe. How is the internet connection there?
[21:41] <Upu> splash down is soon
[21:41] <Upu> ah there is the issue
[21:41] <Upu> no one knows
[21:41] <DanielRichman> aha
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[21:41] <Upu> assuming its ADSL2
[21:41] <Upu> if not the 3G in the laptop can stream @ 400kbps out so we should be ok
[21:41] <DanielRichman> yup
[21:42] <DanielRichman> okay well I have to go
[21:42] <DanielRichman> bye
[21:42] <Upu> no problems thanks for your help
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[21:44] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: #ukhas Conference this Saturday info here http://t.co/y8yOywlY live stream here http://t.co/vStk8WvJ [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/124601336288382976]
[21:44] <griffonbot> @sbasuita: RT @AnthonyStirk: #ukhas Conference this Saturday info here http://t.co/y8yOywlY live stream here http://t.co/vStk8WvJ [http://twitter.com/sbasuita/status/124601473714749440]
[21:46] <fsphil> is there wifi at the hub?
[21:47] <Upu> yes I think so
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[21:47] <Upu> might have to ban people from using it though :)
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> saw you made the channel crossing :)
[21:48] <RocketBoy> yeah - I'm very please it was found
[21:48] <RocketBoy> the HOWEST guys are on the ball tracking
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> well done :)
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[21:49] <RocketBoy> yeah - it was a risky flight in many ways
[21:49] <sbasuita> anybody cycling from paddington to the hub on saturday?
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> did you have sensors/cameras on it?
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[21:51] <Upu> boris bike :)
[21:51] <Upu> there you go fsphil, join sbasuita on a Boris Bike
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
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[21:52] <daveake> evening
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[21:54] <sbasuita> fsphil: hit me up if you want to cycle together. simrunbasuita@gmail.com
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[21:55] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: there was a video camera - no sensors
[21:56] <fsphil> mmm now there's an idea
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[21:58] <Upu> right night all
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[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> I was just asked if we could make a gyroscoped camera for a balloon that wouldn't spin
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[22:05] <russss> easier to stabilise the payload I think. It's something I've spent some time thinking about
[22:05] <sbasuita> actually i can get a travelcard for 3 quid
[22:05] <sbasuita> so no biking :P
[22:05] <fsphil> probably rain anyway
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah russss
[22:06] <sbasuita> nah its sunny 17'C :)
[22:07] <russss> I'm in Sweden, so I can't come :(
[22:07] <russss> it is a chilly but sunny 3 degrees here
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[22:37] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @sbasuita RT @AnthonyStirk: #ukhas Conference this Saturday info here http://t.co/TiCfxNQy live stream here http://t.co/v9BKB0gd [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/124614746807865345]
[22:37] <Randomskk> russss: I'd take sweden over london :P
[22:37] <Randomskk> have you tried any of their super delicious chocolate?
[22:37] <russss> bah
[22:38] <Randomskk> I can't remember what it's called but it comes in yellow tube shaped things and is like, circular pieces with a concave bit in the middle
[22:38] <russss> the beer is more expensive than london
[22:38] <russss> I cannot deal with that
[22:39] <Laurenceb_> beer festival in Notts XD
[22:39] <Randomskk> ah, I was there before i was drinking beer
[22:39] <Randomskk> lovely place though
[22:39] <Randomskk> try that chocolate
[22:39] <Randomskk> delicious >_>
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk: I think I know what you mean
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> have to check at IKEA
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[22:51] <daveake> My NOTAM is in place for Sunday :)
[22:52] <daveake> Haven't had an email yet but it's showing on notaminfo.com
[22:53] <fsphil> what's a notam?
[22:53] <daveake> Can't tell you. Your name isn't David :D
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> Congratsi!
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:55] <daveake> Prediction is still looking good.
[23:00] <Paradoxial> fsphil: It's a notice to airmen
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[23:02] <fsphil> :)
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[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> gn8
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