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[07:40] <SamSilver> heloo dave
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[07:41] <daveake> helloooo dave
[07:41] <daveake> Customer called with a question at .... 7:00am :-(
[07:42] <number10> what was the answer
[07:42] <SamSilver> "Are you awake?"
[07:42] <daveake> I'd rather not say in polite company :)
[07:42] <costyn> morning
[07:42] <SamSilver> afk > off to coffee machine
[07:42] <number10> yes best not to - darkside is not here
[07:42] <daveake> lol
[07:43] <costyn> if I'd've had a radio I would've gone to look for XABEN
[07:43] <number10> hey daveake what yagi did you get
[07:43] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: @Geelfm Vermist: Bij Geel is een (kleine)ballon geland http://t.co/WTgcGIuF #ukhas het baken is nog actief op 434.075 Mhz [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/124012288087822336]
[07:43] <daveake> This one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/70cm-7-ELEMENT-SPECIAL-YAGI-ANTENNA-430-440MHz-/350457401830?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item5198e391e6#ht_500wt_1413
[07:44] <daveake> It's quite compact compared to some
[07:46] <daveake> That and my AOR 8000 had no trouble with Xaben yesterday at 330km. Not as far as some but is enough for me :)
[07:47] <number10> well you did better than me with same radio, but I had a 1/4 wave that I made up using a chassis bnc socket and a windsurfing mast
[07:48] <daveake> :)
[07:48] <number10> I think I saw pictures of that yagi on one of Robs early icurus flights - on the later one it looks like he uses a slightly bigger one
[07:50] <RocketBoy> its the yagi i use
[07:50] <daveake> If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me :)
[07:50] <number10> ah thats why it was in the picture! any news on Xaben RocketBoy?
[07:50] <RocketBoy> works reasonably well
[07:51] <RocketBoy> na - just trying every amatuerhearby
[07:51] <RocketBoy> google is my friend
[07:52] <RocketBoy> that should read amateur nearby
[07:52] <costyn> RocketBoy: if you get the exact coordinates, I'd be up to go look for it.
[07:52] <costyn> what range would it be getting now?
[07:52] <RocketBoy> costyn - you really need a radio - I cant be that exact
[07:52] <costyn> RocketBoy: ok
[07:53] <daveake> Exact? Where's the fun in that? ;)
[07:53] <RocketBoy> oh a couple of km
[07:53] <RocketBoy> so if you get within a km or so with a radio reciver and fldigi (and GPS) then you will find it
[07:54] <daveake> Costyn - with a receiver and yagi, you should get a signal within a couple of km easily.
[07:54] <costyn> daveake: yea, neither of which I have unfortunately :)
[07:54] <costyn> (yet)
[07:54] <RocketBoy> ho hum
[07:54] <daveake> Yes, but think of the bounty money ;)
[07:55] <daveake> Seriously though, you'll need those sooner or later
[07:55] <costyn> I know the place, there's a big ass factory along the highway, and the map shows the landing place right behind it
[07:55] <costyn> daveake: ya... got a HAM friend who said I could buy his 817 for a friendly price if I get my novice license
[07:56] <costyn> daveake: so seriously thinking about doing that, but it's not gonna be in time to go look for XABEN
[07:57] Action: RocketBoy hopes it hasn't landed in big ass factory
[07:57] <costyn> no, that would be unfortunate
[07:57] <costyn> or fortunate, seeing as someone's bound to come across it then
[07:58] <daveake> Yeah, more people per square meter than, say, the North Sea ...
[07:58] <RocketBoy> well its got my number and email on it
[07:59] <RocketBoy> nice bright orange chute
[08:00] <daveake> Ah, same colour as the national football team. Someone will think it's a shirt ...
[08:00] <daveake> (did it land in Holland or Belgium?)
[08:00] <costyn> daveake: you're thinking of the Netherlands :) Belgium != the Netherlands :P
[08:00] <costyn> daveake: yea it landed in Belgium
[08:00] <daveake> I know but it's near the border :)
[08:01] <costyn> true, not too far
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[08:01] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[08:34] <earthshine> o/
[08:35] <costyn> \o
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[09:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham GW8RAK "[UKHAS] Re: Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
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[09:34] <RocketBoy> yea! it looks like peter from the HOWEST team is going to look for my payload
[09:35] <costyn> RocketBoy: sweet
[09:35] <daveake> Nice :D
[09:37] <RocketBoy> what a hero
[09:38] <daveake> Indeedy
[09:38] <costyn> is he a student?
[09:39] <RocketBoy> don't know
[09:39] <costyn> students have lots of free time :P I miss my student days :)
[09:39] <daveake> lol
[09:39] <daveake> I don't remember mine. That says a lot ...
[09:39] <costyn> heh
[09:50] <zyp> I also miss mine
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[10:59] <RocketBoy> yea! $$$$$$XABEN,3599,09:49:31,51.13559,4.99924,8,0.0,0.00,8;5;8880;2.3*06A0
[10:59] <costyn> haha nice :)
[10:59] <RocketBoy> looks like they will get it
[11:00] <RocketBoy> I love the sequence number
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[11:02] <WillDuckworth> that looks accessible
[11:02] <WillDuckworth> possibly stuck in some lofty foliage
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[11:03] <costyn> pretty cool how accurate the predictor is
[11:03] <daveake> woohoo :)
[11:04] <daveake> Quite close to those trees!
[11:05] <griffonbot> @chuckuf: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Xaben balloon in the air, going to try to cross the English Channel - http://t.co/ezKJsHK8 chat IRC #highaltitude on ... [http://twitter.com/chuckuf/status/124063050876731392]
[11:06] <WillDuckworth> daveake - is it you launching Sunday?
[11:06] <WillDuckworth> or am i imagining it
[11:07] <costyn> griffonbot: a little late with that tweet
[11:07] <costyn> RocketBoy: heh, you could call that restaurant and ask them if they see it lying on the grass. :)
[11:08] <RocketBoy> :-)
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[11:10] <daveake> According to the google translation, their site says "your wishes, we are trying to comply with". :)
[11:12] <costyn> daveake: :) comply is the literal translation of 'voldoen', but in this context it kind of means 'we will try to meet your expectations'
[11:12] <costyn> quite a posh restaurant apparently
[11:13] <daveake> Sounds promising then :p
[11:13] <daveake> Yes, I saw the prices ....
[11:13] <costyn> mmm menu looks delicous
[11:13] <costyn> good thing it's lunchtime!
[11:13] <costyn> be back later
[11:16] <number10> excelent news.
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[11:21] <number10> RocketBoy: I was interested in the prediction from you email - I note that the altitude/last position used was not the same as the last position uploaded on spacenear.us - did someone get some partial frames after that
[11:22] <RocketBoy> me
[11:23] <number10> ta
[11:24] <RocketBoy> my last copy was at 3797m 51.18767,4.77533
[11:25] <RocketBoy> which was below the line of sight horizon by a bit
[11:25] <number10> pretty good those cliffs - does anyone ask what you are doing?
[11:26] <RocketBoy> every time
[11:26] <daveake> :)
[11:27] <number10> do you give the true answer
[11:27] <RocketBoy> I need to get a better yagi and a long pole - that would be even better
[11:27] <daveake> "That looks like a lot of work to get TV"
[11:27] <RocketBoy> yep - I say i'm tracking a high altitude ballon payload - seems to leave them none the wiser
[11:27] <daveake> lol
[11:29] <number10> I was thinking of asking the vicar if I could go up the church tower to track - but I think he may think I am mad
[11:30] <number10> probably correct - Mrs number10 thinks I am
[11:32] <daveake> :-)
[11:32] <daveake> number10 - Will you be helping track buzz on Sunday?
[11:32] <number10> yes
[11:32] <daveake> He's coming your way :-). Mind you, so did the last one .........
[11:33] <number10> ordered a yagi but wont get here in time - so I'll just use my bits of wire
[11:33] <daveake> Should be fine.
[11:33] <number10> just after I ordered that one Steve says he needs a better yagi - should have not rushed
[11:33] <daveake> Some of the predictions are close to Cambridge. How cool would it be to *land* at one of the 2 launch sites? ;)
[11:34] <number10> that would be - you may need to apply for two NOTAMs
[11:35] <daveake> Intergalactic space travellers don't need NOTAMS :p
[11:36] <number10> on a serious note - do they take account of balloons coming down some distance from the launch site?
[11:36] <daveake> nope
[11:37] <number10> interesting - hope we dont have a collision sometime
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[11:37] <daveake> The NOTAM covers a radius from the launch site. Wind conditions / expected landing points aren't covered at all
[11:37] <number10> is an interesting topic - got to pop out for a while
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[11:42] <WillDuckworth> daveake - are you bringing buzz to london?
[11:42] <daveake> Since you're the 3rd to ask, yes :)
[11:46] <daveake> I'll remove the aerial first, or fold it over so it's flat, to make it easier to pack and carry. I can put a new aerial on when I get back.
[11:52] <WillDuckworth> good stuff
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[12:04] <costyn> do you guys include a radar reflector?
[12:04] <costyn> (in general?)
[12:08] <fsphil> there was on on our first flight, but I haven't bothered on the other two
[12:08] <fsphil> they're not required in the uk
[12:08] <fsphil> might be different elsewhere though
[12:09] <costyn> ok, I'll check thx
[12:09] <daveake> I've not bothered either. The NOTAM request asks if you have one, but as fsphil says there's no requirement.
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[12:12] <SpeedEvil> It is however a good plan to use the predictor, and try to steer it away from large urban centres and airspaces.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Closing the runway at heathrow due to a suspect package would be ... embarassing.
[12:13] <costyn> SpeedEvil: yes :)
[12:13] <daveake> Standing at the perimeter waving a yagi around wouldn't be good either :p
[12:13] <costyn> SpeedEvil: I'd want to use it anyways; don't want to do a channel crossing on the first flight :)
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> On that topic.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> Any signs of recovery?
[12:14] <costyn> SpeedEvil: yea, they have a location; Peter from HOWEST is picking it up apparently
[12:15] <daveake> 51.13559,4.99924
[12:15] <daveake> Looks like it's conveniently close to a road, and clear of quite a few trees.
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[12:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Random question - does anyone know of any data product that has predictions of downwards solar radiation?
[12:34] <NigelMoby> Hmm can't think of any, might b sommit on nasas software site?
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[12:57] <SamSilver> ooooooooooooooooohhh > http://www.gizmag.com/tandem-high-flying-airships/8356/
[12:57] <SamSilver> plonkers
[13:01] <daveake> I struggle to see how they're going to keep the "platform" level, or indeed how propellers are going to help at 1% atmosphere
[13:02] <SamSilver> you sir are not smoking your socks
[13:02] <SamSilver> and thay are
[13:02] <daveake> lol
[13:02] <SamSilver> they
[13:02] <Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SI4432-433M-wireless-transceiver-module-Distance-1500M-/170710227241?_trksid=p4340.m444&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%252BCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%252BSI%252BUA%252BLM%252BLA%26otn%3D6%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3422764956856712338
[13:03] <NigelMoby> Oo
[13:03] <daveake> "Built-in lens adjustment" ??
[13:04] <SamSilver> what does it mean when it says and I quote "Built-in lens adjustment
[13:04] <SamSilver> daveake: you got to stop doing that
[13:04] <daveake> ^^ I asked that :)
[13:04] <daveake> lol
[13:04] <costyn> hehehe
[13:04] <costyn> 7, Toy Control
[13:04] <costyn> great for HAB then
[13:04] <daveake> You need to type shorter sentences :)
[13:05] <SamSilver> lol
[13:05] <daveake> ^^ good start
[13:05] <staylo> I'm guessing it means the same thing as the Aliexpress RS232 -> Ethernet converter that warns me that I will not be able to return it for reasons of wig hygiene
[13:05] <SamSilver> I wonder if it will work with my fleshlight
[13:05] <costyn> SamSilver: TMI
[13:07] <SamSilver> TMI ?
[13:07] <costyn> too much information
[13:08] <costyn> ;)
[13:08] <SamSilver> right
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[13:19] <Laurenceb> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/elusive-planets.html
[13:19] <Laurenceb> thats some pretty impressive processing
[13:20] <daveake> Wow, that is impressive
[13:21] <Laurenceb> if they took a sequence of images and searched in orbital parameter space it might be even better
[13:24] <SamSilver> SpeedEvil: I found this about sunlight http://www.die.net/earth/
[13:26] <RocketBoy> thats quite useful
[13:26] <fsphil> oh that's nice
[13:26] <costyn> SamSilver: pretty cool
[13:27] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: are you taking confertence payments?
[13:27] <fsphil> Upu, did you get a mic sorted out?
[13:29] <costyn> RocketBoy: did they find XABEN yet?
[13:30] <RocketBoy> no news as yet
[13:30] <RocketBoy> strange - perhaps its up a tree
[13:31] <RocketBoy> but i doubt it the reading said 8m and the ground there is 20m on Google Earth
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[13:32] <daveake> They're probably having lunch at that restaurant :)
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[13:34] <costyn> daveake: :D
[13:37] <daveake> http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/ars_longa_vita_brevis.PNG
[13:42] <SamSilver> I am surfing here > http://www.kb9ukd.com/digital/
[13:43] <daveake> Sent them anything yet? ;)
[13:49] <daveake> Since Xmas is approaching, here's an idea for your loved ones ... http://xkcd.com/260/
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> neat SamSilver.
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: I'm more looking for some forecast stuff, for both what-if and heating control, to compute both performance of various solar collectors over the year (assuming I can find archived numbers) and other stuff.
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> I think it's out there - I just need to work it out - I've found that GRIBs may include the fields.
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> So I just need to find a datasource, and work out how to strip it.
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[14:00] <fsphil> just spotted a familiar name on that digital modes page
[14:01] <SamSilver> SpeedEvil: will keep an eye out
[14:02] <jgrahamc> I assume no one is out looking for XADEN
[14:02] <SamSilver> Olivia data 500 drives my dog crazy
[14:02] <fsphil> jgrahamc, apparently the howest team is searching for it
[14:02] <fsphil> they got a position from it on the ground
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: yeah - it's just a matter of digging. :)
[14:02] <jgrahamc> Cool. That's excellent fsphil
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: GSM?
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Or radio?
[14:03] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, radio
[14:03] <fsphil> haven't heard anything since though
[14:03] <fsphil> it might be up a tree
[14:03] <jgrahamc> Did they get a location?
[14:03] <fsphil> they did
[14:03] <jgrahamc> Sweet
[14:03] <fsphil> $$$$$$XABEN,3599,09:49:31,51.13559,4.99924,8,0.0,0.00,8;5;8880;2.3*06A0
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[14:05] <jgrahamc> Looks like a reasonable place to land
[14:07] <fsphil> can google maps be made not to snap to the nearest road?
[14:08] <fsphil> or is it on the road?
[14:08] <fsphil> ah got it -- it's in the field
[14:08] <jgrahamc> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.13559,4.99924&hl=en&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=22.982524,44.077148&vpsrc=0&t=m&z=16&iwloc=near
[14:08] <jgrahamc> Shows two markers. Green for where it is, red for the nearest road position.
[14:09] <daveake> Google maps also snaps to the nearest ferry route :p
[14:09] <fsphil> I was only getting the road position when I first searched for some reason. changed the coordinate a bit and it started working
[14:09] <fsphil> google is slowly driving me mad :)
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[14:31] <daveake> Any update RocketBoy?
[14:32] <UpuWork> afternoon
[14:32] <UpuWork> Not sorted a mike out yet fsphil
[14:35] <fsphil> Leaving it late but I might be able to get one, will let you know tonight
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[14:38] <UpuWork> if you could
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[15:22] <RocketBoy> Peter has recovered it OK - pics and write up later.
[15:22] <fsphil> top job
[15:23] <RocketBoy> yeah - top man
[15:23] <fsphil> no issues getting it?
[15:25] <costyn> RocketBoy: ok nice, looking forward to the details :)
[15:26] <SamSilver> bravo
[15:28] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[15:34] <UpuWork> excellent :)
[15:34] <UpuWork> who's peter ?
[15:34] <daveake> fromt he HOWEST team
[15:35] <UpuWork> super
[15:35] <UpuWork> should have some nice pictures at sunset
[15:35] <costyn> yea looking forward to those :)
[15:37] <UpuWork> wonder if it was still transmitting
[15:37] <costyn> UpuWork: it was this morning at around 11 GMT
[15:37] <costyn> or do you mean now
[15:37] <UpuWork> oh was someone recieving it ?
[15:37] <costyn> UpuWork: yea Peter apparently
[15:37] <costyn> UpuWork: 11:59 < RocketBoy> yea! $$$$$$XABEN,3599,09:49:31,51.13559,4.99924,8,0.0,0.00,8;5;8880;2.3*06A0
[15:38] <costyn> dunno why it took 'till now to retrieve it, but we'll hear about it I guess
[15:38] <UpuWork> thats epic
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[15:58] <jgrahamc> Great!
[16:04] <UpuWork> yeah our recoveries are getting better and better :)
[16:05] <daveake> :-). I'm planning a boring non-international non-sea one for Sunday!
[16:07] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Xaben Trans-channel balloon flight sucessfully recovered by HOWEST team near Geel,Belgium still transmitting after 24 hours #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/124139024553230336]
[16:07] <UpuWork> yeah good luck with that !
[16:07] <daveake> "Entirely uneventful" will do me fine :-). Though if any locals do think they're being invaded from outer space, that would be a bonus
[16:08] <jgrahamc> daveake: where are you launching from?
[16:08] <daveake> Brightwalton in West Berks. About 200 yards from where I live.
[16:08] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d6a545ad891243f48824db7f1c468edfa122dad8
[16:11] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @cuspaceflight: Nova 19 successfully recovered from its tree in Exning #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/124140100165697536]
[16:13] <nosebleedKT> we had a flight again?
[16:13] <UpuWork> yesterday
[16:13] <nosebleedKT> recovery?
[16:13] <nosebleedKT> who ?
[16:13] <nosebleedKT> images?
[16:14] <nosebleedKT> :p
[16:14] <UpuWork> Xaben launched from Elsworth and landed in Belgium
[16:14] <UpuWork> recovered by HOWEST team
[16:14] <nosebleedKT> omg
[16:14] <nosebleedKT> pictures?
[16:14] <daveake> Later
[16:14] <UpuWork> coming I understand
[16:14] <nosebleedKT> ah nice
[16:14] <nosebleedKT> where is Elsworth ?
[16:14] <daveake> west of Cambridge
[16:15] <nosebleedKT> why it did so much distance?
[16:15] <daveake> wind
[16:15] <UpuWork> windy
[16:15] <daveake> :-). And 3m/s ascent
[16:15] <nosebleedKT> nice :)
[16:15] <UpuWork> deliberate attempt to cross the channel
[16:15] <UpuWork> missed Netherlands though :)P
[16:15] <jgrahamc> daveake: are you planning to chase it?
[16:15] <daveake> Yes
[16:16] <nosebleedKT> I hope with this strange i job now i will have enough money to finally complete my HAB
[16:16] <UpuWork> why strange ?
[16:16] <nosebleedKT> little money, hours not stadar
[16:16] <nosebleedKT> today he kept me 5.5hrs
[16:16] <daveake> Not sure whether to go the quick route - M4/12/10, or cross-country to keep close to it for tracking
[16:17] <daveake> M4/M25/M10 I meant
[16:17] <nosebleedKT> i finished correcting all his bugs
[16:17] <daveake> :D
[16:17] <nosebleedKT> but now i will start to go slowly
[16:17] <nosebleedKT> so i stay more hours
[16:17] <UpuWork> can your payload do maths now daveake ?
[16:17] <daveake> Put some in for him to find
[16:17] <daveake> Yes :D
[16:18] <daveake> You saw the emulated flight?
[16:19] <jgrahamc> OK daveake. I will be in the area on Sunday. May be able to help out if needed. Will take my radio.
[16:19] <daveake> Cheers :)
[16:20] <daveake> The ground plane is smaller than usual because of the small payload, but it should work well enough.
[16:20] <daveake> Buzz's previous "flight" in case anyone missed it :p http://imgur.com/EiiI9
[16:23] <UpuWork> lol
[16:23] <daveake> The shape was, ahem, specially designed to flush out any bugs. Ahem.
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[16:41] <daveake> I think I'm going to patent my new method of balloon inflation ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6158799630/in/set-72157627697439816/
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[16:42] <jonquark> daveake: I'm not sure you're going to break altitude records using that gas!
[16:42] <daveake> lol
[16:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Oliver De Peyer "Re: [UKHAS] Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
[16:44] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[16:44] <fsphil> daveake, when helium gets too expensive we'll all be doing that
[16:45] <daveake> I shall be at an advantage then :)
[16:45] <fsphil> anyone here got a Blackberry? They seem to be in the news for all the wrong reasons atm
[16:49] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @AnthonyStirk: Xaben Trans-channel balloon flight sucessfully recovered by HOWEST team near Geel,Belgium still transmitting after 24 ... [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/124149628705837056]
[16:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomas Saraceno "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
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[16:57] <griffonbot> @HowestELIT: Xaben Trans-channel balloon flight sucessfully recovered by our #HowestELIT team near Geel,Belgium. #ukhas #HowestNieuws [http://twitter.com/HowestELIT/status/124151668714651648]
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[17:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Oliver De Peyer "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Black polyethylene for solar balloons - bulk buying?"
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[17:17] <nosebleedKT> something very lol just happened. Listen all and give me some explanation. A friend called me, we talked, we closed. He has android. Then after 5 secs he calls me again. I answered and started talking. But he was talking to someone else. Then I realized that he is talking with someone else and i was hearing his conversation !
[17:17] <nosebleedKT> wwwwwwwttttttttfffff?
[17:18] <nosebleedKT> GSM network flaw?
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[17:25] <RocketBoy> pics of XABEN-19 recovery http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/sets/72157627753771123/
[17:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "[UKHAS] XABEN-19 recovery"
[17:27] <RocketBoy> looks like it was just as windy where it landed as where it took off
[17:30] <daveake> Missed the trees though :)
[17:31] <RocketBoy> yeah - i reckon on just
[17:31] <RocketBoy> only
[17:32] <daveake> "The thing I like the most about HAB is the huge spirit of co-operation" - absolutely!
[17:33] <number10> thats great news
[17:41] <Upu> great stuff RocketBoy chance paid off :)
[17:41] <Upu> oh a camera :)
[17:41] <Upu> sunset above the channel ?
[17:42] <RocketBoy> yep
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[17:42] <RocketBoy> well on the descent
[17:42] <Upu> can't wait :)
[17:42] <RocketBoy> yeah - will put up in a few days
[17:42] <Upu> second what you put about the co-operation thing :)
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[17:48] <jonsowman> RocketBoy: was this the doupto competition?
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[17:49] <Upu> yeah I was wondering that
[17:50] <RocketBoy> I can neither confirm or deny ....
[17:50] <Upu> of course
[17:50] <Upu> :)
[17:51] <Upu> Pole on payload noted :)
[17:51] <griffonbot> @jangdevos: RT @HowestELIT: Xaben Trans-channel balloon flight sucessfully recovered by our #HowestELIT team near Geel,Belgium. #ukhas #HowestNieuws [http://twitter.com/jangdevos/status/124165293063946240]
[17:51] <Upu> good luck :)
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[18:09] <NigeyS> ping RocketBoy
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[18:09] <RocketBoy> yo
[18:09] <NigeyS> got sommit for u 2 secs
[18:09] <RocketBoy> oooo
[18:11] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/6zbfzl
[18:11] <NigeyS> can you guess ? :p
[18:13] <jcoxon> NigeyS, what are you doing?
[18:13] <Zuph> I was interviewed about White Star! http://revision3.com/hak5/conspectacular/trans-atlantic-ballooning-with-brad-from-lvl1-hackerspace-at-derbycon
[18:13] <NigeyS> jcoxon, water fill test on the foils for steve
[18:13] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/6zbfub
[18:13] <NigeyS> and i managed to stay relatively dry !
[18:14] <NigeyS> Zuph, nicey !! *watches*
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[18:19] <SamSilver> I was way off track I was thinking colonic flush
[18:19] <SamSilver> and on that note
[18:19] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[18:20] <NigeyS> lol
[18:24] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, good work RocketBoy on recovery
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[18:26] <NigeyS> jcoxon, 114litres of water those foils will take before they tear at the bottom
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[18:29] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: its all thanks to Peter and HOWEST and you for suggesting them
[18:30] <RocketBoy> I wonder where they are - they seemed to get on site within a couple of hours
[18:31] <jcoxon> belgium ain't that big
[18:31] <jcoxon> :-)
[18:31] <jcoxon> good good
[18:32] <jcoxon> i keep track of lots
[18:32] <RocketBoy> yeah U do
[18:34] <LazyLeopard> Yay for payload recovery. ;)
[18:35] Action: jcoxon is working on his presentation
[18:35] <jcoxon> its not terribly exciting
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[18:36] <number10> well it will be of interest - I look forward to seeing the stream
[18:37] <number10> and your slot is in the morning jcoxon so we will be paying attention
[18:40] <jcoxon> hehe
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[18:43] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Mounting Alpha in case :) #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/ajkoWeTx [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/124178353275142144]
[18:47] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: RT @apexhab: Mounting Alpha in case :) #apexhab #ukhas http://t.co/ajkoWeTx [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/124179425725136896]
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[18:51] <natrium42> i though Sony Alpha :/
[18:51] <natrium42> *thought
[18:52] <danielsaul> haha
[18:53] <priyesh> lol :P
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[19:17] <number10> daveake: what is intended time launch on Buzz Sunday
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[19:33] <daveake> I've got 9am -1pm .... will probably be about 10am
[19:37] <fsphil-laptop> this for sunday?
[19:43] <daveake> Yes
[19:43] <daveake> Some of us get notams when we ask for them ;)
[19:43] <daveake> Sorry, that was a bit below the belt :)
[19:44] <daveake> Any progress with DM?
[19:44] <griffonbot> @fsphil: Doesn't look like hadie:4 will launch this month either. Will keep poking at the CAA for a November launch. Brr! #ukhas http://t.co/gx8GZDxV [http://twitter.com/fsphil/status/124193781955309568]
[19:45] <fsphil-laptop> haha, good timing
[19:45] <fsphil-laptop> nope
[19:45] <daveake> lol
[19:45] <daveake> :(
[19:45] <fsphil-laptop> this weekend was out the window anyway
[19:45] <daveake> yeah
[19:45] <daveake> Bit easier for me to get home from London.
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> I'll maybe launch a foil balloon for now
[19:47] <fsphil-laptop> see how far I can get it
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> I should be cheeky and apply for another notam now
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> bet I get the second one first
[19:49] <daveake> :)
[19:50] <daveake> Change your name to David
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> Mr Dave David
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[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:52] <daveake> Evening
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:56] <daveake> Knackered ... very busy on a work project, as well as getting ready for the weekend's launch
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:58] <costyn> evening
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi costyn
[19:59] <costyn> seeing as I (somehow) fried the I2C bus on my Stalker, I'm looking for a cheap 3.3v regulator
[19:59] <costyn> to power my barometer
[20:00] <costyn> can anyone explain to me 'dropout voltage'?
[20:00] <costyn> as used here? http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en028178
[20:01] <jonsowman> it's the minimum difference between the reg output voltage and the input voltage
[20:01] <daveake> It's the smallest difference between voltage in and voltage out.
[20:01] <jonsowman> lol
[20:01] <daveake> ^^^
[20:03] <costyn> hmm ok... not sure I get it yet, but thinking about it :)
[20:03] <daveake> Say you've got a 5V regulator with 2V drop-out ... that will regulate till your input voltage gets below 7V (5 +2). Anything lower and the output voltage will drop.
[20:03] <costyn> strangely enough the 3.3V pin on the I2C pins now provide 4volts... methinks something's shorting out on the I2C bus IC
[20:03] <jonsowman> low dropout (LDO) regs are usually 300+mV
[20:03] <daveake> The dropout voltage will vary with load in particualar and with temperature also
[20:04] <costyn> daveake: aaah ok... now it makes sense thanks
[20:05] <costyn> jonsowman: so it'll provide 5 volts as long as the input voltage provides at least 5.3v ?
[20:05] <costyn> (with 300mV)
[20:05] <jonsowman> correct
[20:05] <daveake> yes (awaits jonsowman's reply ....)
[20:06] <costyn> ok cool
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[20:06] <jonsowman> so it's in your interest to get the dropout voltage as low as possible
[20:07] <costyn> yes
[20:08] <costyn> it seemed to work ok when fed 4v but just read somewhere it's not gonna last very long if you keep feeding it more than the specified voltage (which in this case is up to 3.6v on the BMP085)
[20:09] <daveake> Yes, sometimes you don't have much leeway with excess volts
[20:10] <costyn> oh well this regulator would seem to be more than sufficient for the BMP085 which uses microamps of current
[20:11] <jonsowman> yeah you definitely don't want to be using unregulated battery voltage for microprocessors and sensors
[20:11] <jonsowman> especially GPSes
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[20:12] <Upu> Laurenceb
[20:12] <Upu> just the man
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> thats me
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[20:13] <costyn> jonsowman: hmm good point... I'm not sure what voltage the GPS is getting now
[20:14] <costyn> damnit
[20:14] <costyn> also 4v
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[20:14] <costyn> not good
[20:15] <costyn> best would be to replace the SMD IC on the board really
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[20:29] Action: fsphil discovered a barcode scanner on his phone and has now scanned most barcodes in the room
[20:30] <BrainDamage> wait until you'll start printing them and labelling random stuff
[20:31] <fsphil> ooh good idea
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[20:32] <daveake> Does anyone know of a program for Windows that presents a real serial port as 2 (or more) virtual ports? I want to use a GPS with 2 programs.
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[20:36] <costyn> where do you guys order your electronic bits? I'm looking for a PCA9306
[20:37] <costyn> Farnell has it, but not sure it's the right IC
[20:37] <daveake> RS or Farnell usually
[20:38] <costyn> what is RS?
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> http://rswww.com/
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> digikey too at times.
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> and mouser
[20:43] <costyn> SpeedEvil: thanks... RS has a Dutch website too
[20:43] <costyn> hope the shipping is not too ridiculous
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[20:50] <fsphil> yay, internet fixed: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1531241894.png
[20:53] <costyn> do RS Components UK sell stuff to individuals (not companies?) cause the NL version doesn't. Meh
[20:54] <daveake> :) ... (not jealous not jealous not ...)
[20:54] <fsphil> still, limited to 50gb a month so it's not all great
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[20:55] <costyn> fsphil: nice... wish I had that kind of upload
[20:55] <daveake> Car PC now showing as a chase car :)
[20:55] <fsphil> nice
[20:55] <daveake> It's even the right colour :p
[20:55] <fsphil> there's an android app for the chase car icon isn't there?
[20:55] <fsphil> lol
[20:56] <daveake> Yes, must ask about that and try it
[20:56] <costyn> you have a street in your village called Butts Furlong? :)
[20:57] <costyn> sorry juvenile humor :P
[20:57] <daveake> It gets worse
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> costyn: yes
[20:58] <costyn> Honesty Bottom? Spray Lane?
[20:58] <daveake> Honesty Bottom
[20:58] <daveake> yep
[20:58] <daveake> :)
[20:58] <costyn> Buttsfield Rd
[20:59] <costyn> lol
[21:00] <Upu> anyone got a batc.tv account availble ?
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[21:06] <costyn> ok... well I used my employers company details to order from rs-online.com... take that :)
[21:06] <costyn> now to learn how to solder SMDs
[21:07] <fsphil> yay
[21:07] <daveake> Have fun with that :)
[21:07] <costyn> they come in a pack of 10 and are 45 cents each, so if I screw up a couple it's no biggie
[21:08] <daveake> To answer my own question, to share a GPS between 2+ apps, use "GPSGate" which is free and works nicely
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[21:10] <daveake> So now I've got the chase car program uploading the position, plus my own app that tells me where the payload is relative to the chase car
[21:10] <costyn> daveake: so how does it work? each app gets the GPS data? I gues the serial is one-way, or is there a contention algorithm for tx access?
[21:11] <daveake> It takes the GPS data (from COM1 in this case) and presents it as several virtual ports (COM4 - 7). Then you setup each app to use a different port
[21:11] <daveake> You can get it from gpsgate.com
[21:13] <costyn> interesting... I don't need it, but was just curious how it works
[21:13] <daveake> :)
[21:14] <daveake> You could, for example, have google earth showing your position, a navigation program telling you how to get somewhere, plus the chase car program uploading your position to spacenear.us.
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[21:14] <Upu> jcoxon do you have a batc.tv account
[20:16] <costyn> daveake: sounds useful :)
[20:17] <jcoxon> Upu, i don't
[20:17] <Upu> Struggling to test it as I can't find anyone with an account
[20:17] <Upu> and they haven't come back to me
[20:18] <jcoxon> email G3VZV
[20:18] <jcoxon> he is on hte comittee
[20:18] <jcoxon> and regularly tracks for us
[20:18] <Upu> got a mail address ?
[20:19] <Upu> I found it
[20:19] <Upu> amsat.org
[20:19] <jcoxon> http://twitter.com/#!/g3vzv
[20:20] <DanielRichman> Hi: We're juggling servers around (moving things off the one that had the hardware problem). I'd like to take the UKHAS wiki down for just a few minutes while stuff copies and DNS updates; I hope that's OK
[20:21] <jcoxon> no probs
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> btw, here in the supermarket I found "UK's IN product"
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> it was called "I can't believe it's not butter"
[20:29] <daveake> If you've ever been inside a factory where margarine is made, you'd think "I can't believe people eat it" :D
[20:30] <daveake> The smell stays with you for weeks .....
[20:30] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: hehe that stuff is from the USA
[20:31] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Butter!
[20:31] <costyn> anwyays, I'm off...
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> XD daveake
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 costyn
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[20:44] <Josh___> Hi guys....did everyone enjoy the article in the telegraph today?
[20:44] <Josh___> i thought they did a good job
[20:44] <jcoxon> what article
[20:44] <RocketBoy> yeah - I saw it
[20:44] <jcoxon> ?
[20:44] <Josh___> page 7 of the main newspaper
[20:44] <Josh___> got a mention in for UK HAS
[20:45] <Josh___> ....unfortunately the daily mail weren;t as good and decided to follow the one man story....
[20:45] <Upu> I got a copy Josh
[20:45] <Josh___> well done anthony!
[20:45] <Upu> Like to know what they did to my pic of the sunset it looked great
[20:45] <Josh___> Ha! yeah i know
[20:45] <Josh___> anyway anthony
[20:45] <Josh___> listen to this
[20:46] <Josh___> daily mail have an article online....
[20:46] <jcoxon> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-video/8819931/Weather-balloon-captures-panoramic-view-of-Earth-from-space.html
[20:46] <Upu> Daily Fail...
[20:46] <Josh___> the USA have just called up and I've done a skype interview and there is a video live on the ABC News website.....report to follow and possble chance it will be on yahoo.com
[20:46] <Upu> lol
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> That is not technically the daily mail.
[20:47] <Josh___> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/weather-balloon-project-travels-to-space-14722615
[20:47] Action: SpeedEvil is continuing to be pissed off at the daily mail.
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> They don't actually seem to fact-check stories at all where it suits them to get stuff wrong.
[20:47] <Josh___> got a UKHAS mention in there but they cut around a bit
[20:47] <Upu> Suprised the Daily Mail was Student Terrorist plans to bomb militant immigrants with balloon bomb plot but foiled by the worst weather in 90 years oh god we are all going to die
[20:47] <Upu> wasn't...
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[20:48] <daveake> lol
[20:48] <Josh___> AND i'm doing a live broadcast tomorrow for the weather channel of NBC as a national feature for the whole of the USA
[20:48] <Upu> lol
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046924/Parent-child-ADHD-Have-free-car-1-5bn-taxpayer-funded-scheme.html
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Basically 99% made fucking up.
[20:48] <Upu> and this is why I don't tell the news papers :)
[20:48] <daveake> :-)
[20:49] <jcoxon> yeah i avoid publicity
[20:49] <daveake> In my limited experience with newspapers, what you tell them and what they write are two different things. Sometimes very different.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> They start out with a headline, and then go looking for facts they sort-of-remember and scribble it all down.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> It's then edited by someone who has no understanding of the topic, who butchers the meaning out of it, and not fact-checked at all.
[20:50] <daveake> :-)
[20:50] <Josh___> so true
[20:50] <Upu> but congrats anyway Josh :)
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Indeed!
[20:50] <daveake> yes :)
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Josh___: Which flight was this about?
[20:51] <Josh___> well thanks but i really feel this is more of a team thing.....i even referred to myself as part of UK HAS (hope you dont mind!)
[20:51] <Upu> not at all
[20:51] <Josh___> *SpeedEvil It was the AVA/TMSB flight.
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Oh - including the nice sea-pics?
[20:52] <Upu> yeah
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> The pics from that flight were awesome!
[20:52] <RocketBoy> Yeah - after seeing various articles on rocketry & ballooning I don't believe anything I read in the press
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> And so unexpected.
[20:52] <Josh___> I know.....thanks to Anthony!
[20:52] <Upu> well
[20:53] <Upu> lets call it a joint effort as they wouldn't exist if you didn't have that GSM tracker...
[20:53] <Josh___> haha! true
[20:53] <Upu> Incidentlaly the battery holder metal bits have corroded away entirely and the batteries have a hole in the end of them now
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> They'd exist. But with much more limited distribution.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:54] <Upu> yeah very limited
[20:54] <Tweaker_> hi
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[20:54] <SpeedEvil> You really, really need to wash everything that comes into contact with saltwater in cleanwater for quite a while, or that happens.
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[20:55] <Upu> yeah I think thats what RocketBoy did with the SD cards
[20:55] <daveake> Yep. Nasty stuff
[20:55] <RocketBoy> yeah I washed everything as soon as I got hold of it
[20:55] <Upu> its corroded one of the pins the NTX2 away entirely
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[20:59] <sporeza> is there still space at Saturday's conference?
[21:00] <Upu> hey sporeza
[21:01] <sporeza> hi upu
[21:01] <Upu> jsut bear with us we are just working through numbers now
[21:02] <sporeza> when will you have an answer for me? :)
[21:02] <Upu> hang about 5 mins :)
[21:03] <sporeza> ah okay.
[21:04] <Upu> where are you coming from ?
[21:04] <sporeza> London
[21:05] <Upu> ah perfect ok sure quick PM
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[21:17] <NigeyS> hey kev, im good ta, you ?
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> me too, thanks
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> did you get my mail?
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[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS:
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> if there is someone responsible for habhub
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> like DanielRichman
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> can Habhub be used again?
[21:34] <DanielRichman> http://habhub.org yep. If you spot something not working, give us a shout! Everything should be coming nciely back to life now
[21:34] <DanielRichman> we've moved all the important bits off of the server with hardware problems
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> because I need to show the predictor and the calculator to a friend
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[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> what are zeusbot logs?
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[21:45] <DanielRichman> Lunar_Lander: zeusbot logs this channel
[21:45] <DanielRichman> e.g. http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20111011.html
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> so we got our own archive
[21:46] <DanielRichman> yeah, it goes back quite a way
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[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> yay
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[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:37] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: @Camilla_SDO Meet our mascot, Lallybot: http://t.co/LQm0kpFW he's got to hang on to the balloon for 3 days over the Atlantic! #ARHAB #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/124267531803435008]
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