highaltitude.log.20111008

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[00:35] <Tomawky> hello
[00:35] <Tomawky> is anyone here?
[00:35] <Zuph> Aye aye
[00:35] <Tomawky> hi
[00:36] <Tomawky> i need someone to do a weather balloon launch for me in the next week
[00:36] <Tomawky> i made it to the second stage of a two stage contest for 15 thousand dollars
[00:36] <Tomawky> and whoever gets the companies logo the highest in the air wins
[00:37] <Tomawky> you can check it out here http://doupto.com/15k-contest-final
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[00:37] Action: SpeedEvil wonders what's possible.
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> 40km seems fairly common.
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> Any requirements on getting it back?
[00:38] <Tomawky> well id just need the footage of the logo up there
[00:38] <Tomawky> so i guess youd have to retrieve the camera once the balloon pop'd and parachuted down
[00:38] <Tomawky> but if someone can do that for me and send me the footage, and i win, ill give them 5 thousand dollars of my winnings
[00:40] <Tomawky> could you send up a weather balloon with the logo higher than 150,000 feet?
[00:41] <Tomawky> sorry i meant higher than 115,00 feet
[00:42] <Tomawky> so could someone do this for me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAnLxRvNNc
[00:42] <Tomawky> but instead of a robot, use the DoUpTo logo?
[00:43] <Tomawky> and instead of 95,000 feet, higher that 115,000 feet
[00:44] <Tomawky> anyone?
[00:48] <Tomawky> Can anyone send up a weather balloon with a video camera and a company logo for me? its for the contest im in (check in out at doupto.com). If i win ill pay you 5000 dollars.
[00:48] <Tomawky> im one of the finalists. theres only me and 5 other people.
[00:49] <Paradoxial> Tomawky: I might be able to make these arrangements
[00:49] <Paradoxial> How soon does it need to be flown?
[00:50] <Paradoxial> PM me
[00:50] <Tomawky> if you look at the doupto.com website and go to the contest section, it shows that theres 6 days left
[00:50] <Tomawky> (it started with only 10 days)
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> More people around 4-10 hours ago typically - this is a largely UK channel
[00:50] <Paradoxial> Dang :/
[00:51] <SpeedEvil> Also - laser light show
[00:51] <Tomawky> would you be able to do it within the next 5 days?
[00:51] <SpeedEvil> Me, certainly not.
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[00:51] <Tomawky> Paradoxial how bout you?
[00:51] <SpeedEvil> There are some people here that might have the possibility to launch in the next few days though
[00:51] <Paradoxial> I'm afraid not
[00:52] <Tomawky> k
[00:52] <Paradoxial> I've never launched myself
[00:52] <Tomawky> oh
[00:52] <Paradoxial> But I design HAB electronic systems
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[00:53] <Tomawky> brb
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[00:53] <Tomawky> back
[00:55] <Tomawky> so once again in case anyone just joined the chatroom... Can anyone send up a weather balloon with a camera and a company logo for me? Its for a 15 thousand dollar contest im in. Check it out at DoUpTo.com
[00:55] <Tomawky> In in the final round with 5 other people
[00:55] <Tomawky> if someone does this for me and i win, ill give them 5 thousand dollars of my winnings.
[00:58] <fergusnoble> Tomawky: cambridge university spaceflight might be a good match for you
[00:59] <Tomawky> thanks ill email them
[00:59] <fergusnoble> I'm no longer really involved with them myself as I'm out of the country but we do commercial launches
[01:00] <Tomawky> ok, do you think they'd do it on a promise of 5 thousand of my winnings if i win?
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[01:02] <fergusnoble> you would have to ask them, if you get to the highest altitude does that guarantee you win the whole comp?
[01:02] <fergusnoble> or is this just one round of many?
[01:02] <Tomawky> no this is the last round of the contest
[01:02] <Tomawky> so yes it guarantees it
[01:04] <Tomawky> thanks so much for all you're help. ive got to go to eat with the family now (family reunion thing). If you have any info you could share with me feel free to email bram.hoskinz@gmail.com
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[01:08] <Paradoxial> Someone add his email to the channel topic with a message
[01:08] <Paradoxial> "Contact <email> if you're flying a balloon in the next 6 days for a chance to win $5000" or something
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[06:58] <eroomde> ping anyone
[06:59] <SamSilver> Morning ed
[07:00] <eroomde> morning
[07:00] <eroomde> how are things?
[07:02] <daveake> pong
[07:03] <daveake> tidying up buzz here
[07:04] <daveake> added extra LEDs as that was a popular request :)
[07:05] <daveake> Also have removed the lipo powering the camera, and am using the main Lithiums for that instead. So I've had to add some power-saving - e.g. the camera is switched on for 1 minute every 6, roughly.
[07:08] <eroomde> ah i see
[07:08] <eroomde> wyzat?
[07:09] <eroomde> just for mass savings?
[07:09] <daveake> wyzwot? The lipo? Might not work when cold?
[07:09] <eroomde> ah ok
[07:09] <eroomde> usually the cameras get so warm, they keep everything else toastie, i find :)
[07:10] <daveake> This is a tiny spy camera
[07:10] <daveake> That said, it does swallow 100mA when on (whether taking a photo or not!)
[07:10] <eroomde> on nova 8, which was a powershot a560 in i think 2008, someone built a really snug, foil-lined foam housing for the camera
[07:10] <eroomde> we got to it about 20 mins after landing
[07:10] <eroomde> and it was about 60 degrees celcius
[07:10] <daveake> hot hot hot?
[07:11] <daveake> lol
[07:11] <eroomde> it was a dawn launch too, so not much sun heating
[07:11] <daveake> That beats cloud2. That got towards 50 I think. Powershot A480 plus a Kodak Zx1 camcorder
[07:11] <eroomde> it's the camera that took this photo http://www.nivnac.co.uk/files/HAPSD_NOVA8/HAPS-D_pan1_quarter.jpg
[07:11] <eroomde> it did good
[07:12] <daveake> Oh, that's nice :)
[07:12] <eroomde> this one too http://www.nivnac.co.uk/files/HAPS/HAPS1_20_eighth.jpg
[07:12] <eroomde> it's looking out over the north sea
[07:12] <daveake> About 15 shots in there?
[07:12] <daveake> What did you use for the stitching?
[07:13] <Upu> morning
[07:13] <daveake> morning, "almost a tv star"
[07:13] <eroomde> daveake: a man called james canvin
[07:13] <Upu> those are nice
[07:13] <Upu> Just download Microsoft ICE
[07:13] <eroomde> in keeping with the spirit of things, we just dumped every byte of flight data that we had online within a few hours
[07:13] <eroomde> and the internet just went and did its thing
[07:13] <daveake> :D
[07:13] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201110AvaLaunch#5660858127407002786
[07:14] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201110AvaLaunch#5660135657776128962
[07:14] <Upu> Thats a good idea actually Ed
[07:14] <eroomde> including james canvin whose hobby is stitching together mars rover pics
[07:14] <daveake> :)
[07:14] <eroomde> http://www.nivnac.co.uk/blog1.php
[07:15] <daveake> wow
[07:16] <Upu> nice hobby just looking at his Mars stuff
[07:16] <eroomde> yeah
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[07:59] <Darkside> wtf
[07:59] <Darkside> cannot connect to fldigi
[07:59] <Darkside> what the hell is going on
[08:10] <Darkside> ok fixed
[08:10] <Darkside> fldigi binds to localhost
[08:16] <daveake> yep
[08:17] <daveake> Found that a few days ago when I was having a play
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[09:42] <Darkside> sorry about the trackerspam
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[11:01] <DrLuke> upu: How do you make those panoramics? Is the payload just rotating?
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[11:07] <fsphil> ooh more panoramas?
[11:08] <fsphil> there's a nice program called Hugin for making them
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[11:20] <SpeedEvil> Someone mentioned last nights poster?
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> (01:55:09 AM) Tomawky: so once again in case anyone just joined the chatroom... Can anyone send up a weather balloon with a camera and a company logo for me? Its for a 15 thousand dollar contest im in. Check it out at DoUpTo.com
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> (01:55:23 AM) Tomawky: In in the final round with 5 other people
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> (01:55:37 AM) Tomawky: if someone does this for me and i win, ill give them 5 thousand dollars of my winnings.(02:04:17 AM) Tomawky: thanks so much for all you're help. ive got to go to eat with the family now (family reunion thing). If you have any info you could share with me feel free to email bram.hoskinz@gmail.com
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[11:27] <fsphil> hadie:3 panorama, http://i.imgur.com/uxoxl.jpg
[11:27] <fsphil> pesky cloud
[11:27] <fsphil> not sure the horizon is perfectly smooth
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[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Proof the earth is sort-of-potato shaped!
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> You will be famous!
[11:29] <fsphil> yay!
[11:31] <fsphil> if the image was a bit sharper you'd see my house
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[11:53] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: ta
[11:53] <eroomde> we got an email from him last night too
[11:54] <eroomde> nigerian scammers are going for more fine targetting
[11:54] <eroomde> fsphil: nice - what coastline are we looking at?
[11:56] <fsphil> Lough Neagh at the bottom middle, big freshwater lake
[11:56] <fsphil> the east coast of NI is behind the cloud on the left of the image
[11:56] <costyn> hi all
[11:56] <fsphil> the view is roughtly towards wales
[11:56] <costyn> any launches today?
[11:57] <fsphil> I *think* you can see the isle of man at the top
[11:58] <fsphil> it's too hazy to be sure
[12:00] <eroomde> fsphil: i'll beleive you :)
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[12:13] <nosebleedKT> day by day i get asked by people what's the point of high altitude ballooning. "Do you earn something ?"
[12:13] <nosebleedKT> I want to punch them
[12:13] <costyn> nosebleedKT: hehe
[12:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomas Saraceno "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference Streaming"
[12:13] <nosebleedKT> "Dont you NASA's space pictures?"
[12:13] <nosebleedKT> "Do you make money from that
[12:13] <nosebleedKT> "Do you make money from that ?"
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[12:14] <daveake> There only seem to be 2 reactions - "wow" or "meh"
[12:14] <nosebleedKT> why people got to be so dump
[12:14] <costyn> i haven't had any meh reactions yet
[12:16] <nosebleedKT> I got the last question from a waitress
[12:16] <daveake> More accurately, some people take a long while to catch on to what it is
[12:16] <nosebleedKT> "what's the point, she asked"
[12:16] <SamSilver> I get "and?"
[12:16] <nosebleedKT> yesssss
[12:17] <nosebleedKT> "Better bring me that coffee good, madam" - I wish i had the guts to say it
[12:17] <eroomde> i get it worst
[12:17] <nosebleedKT> but you got to be polite with dump people too
[12:18] <eroomde> my housemate introduces me to her friends (especially ones I might like...) as 'this is ed. he put teddies into space'
[12:18] <daveake> lol
[12:18] <nosebleedKT> loool
[12:18] <daveake> "Oh, don't they suffocate?"
[12:18] <nosebleedKT> they do that to me with 'this is kostas, he will send a fish boat into space'
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[12:20] <nosebleedKT> and now i found this
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> That has the exact answer
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> and im gonna learn it by heart
[12:20] <nosebleedKT> and tell to everybody
[12:22] <BrainDamage> just say that japanese's fire balloon bombs from WWII inspired you https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fire_balloon
[12:23] <daveake> :)
[12:23] <BrainDamage> add also that the tracker and telemetry data are to aim better
[12:24] <BrainDamage> and ask their house gps coordinates
[12:26] <daveake> :). Or if someone asks if it's safe, tell them that the Japanese launched thousands with bombs attached and none of them hit anyone :)
[12:27] <GW8RAK> Wasn't a child killed?
[12:27] <nosebleedKT> is there any flight that got pictures of sun rising?
[12:27] <russss> "Despite the high hopes of their designers, the balloons were ineffective as weapons, and caused only six deaths (from one single incident)a kill rate of 0.067%and a small amount of damage."
[12:28] <daveake> GW8RAK 5 and a parent when they found one that had landed
[12:28] <russss> iirc those deaths were when one was found on the ground
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[12:33] <GW8RAK> They may not have had the desired effect, but if one takes the estimated 87000 rounds used by the US to kill one Vietcong, the ratio is 0.001%, I think. So the Japanese balloons weren't bad in comparison
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> Or the number of WMDs recovered in Iraq
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> per dollar
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[12:58] <Hiena> Hi all!
[12:59] <Hiena> Not HAB stuff but interesting: http://www.dump.com/2011/08/06/eagle-owl-in-slow-motion-video/
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[13:02] <SpeedEvil> wow
[13:03] <Hiena> Yeah. My pal saved it teaching aerodynamics for his students.
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[13:04] <Hiena> Also, i had a nice 1km LOS tranmission with a MAAMS boosted camera. Little tweaking here, and there, and i'll finish the new transmitter module.
[13:06] <Hiena> Going to broadband opams makes my life much easier.
[13:07] <Hiena> No tweaking with coils and resonant circuits.
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[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> What sort of camera?
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> 'normal' TV?
[13:29] <Hiena> Cheap CCD camera module with composite output. The transmitter is a 100mW VHF one.
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> omni-omni, or ...?
[13:31] <Hiena> Omni on the transmitter side and 28dB wideband flat on the receiver.
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> 28dB! that's gotta be quite large.
[13:33] <Hiena> My guess the 28dB not really true, because it's a cheap chinese TV antenna with two stage mosfet booster.
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> Ah. :)
[13:35] <Hiena> I have no time and equipment to make a full bandwidth spectrum analysis.
[13:36] <Hiena> So i'll leave this way: it's an antenna which works...
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> this is for the UAV'y thingy?
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[13:47] <Darkside> hmm, i should run a stratum-1 ntp time server, just for shits 'n' giggles
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: On the balloon?
[13:51] <Darkside> no
[13:51] <Darkside> at home
[13:52] <Darkside> i've borrowed some trimble thunderbolt gps time references from a friend
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[15:24] <Elwell> is it casio that has the hacked firmware available?
[15:25] Action: Elwell wants to do some noddy timelapse stuff
[15:26] <daveake> Canon
[15:26] <daveake> Google chdk
[15:27] <Elwell> dammit
[15:27] <Elwell> knew it began with C
[15:28] <daveake> :)
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[15:29] <Elwell> sadly I don't think 200+ FPS really counts as hourly timelapse
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[15:38] <NigeyS> fsphil, 22-10 22-10 22-10 :p
[15:41] <fsphil> = 12?
[15:43] <NigeyS> haha :p
[15:43] <daveake> I'd join in, but 19-12 isn't good either :p
[15:44] <NigeyS> shh you, you lost :p you got nothing to brag about ;)
[15:44] <daveake> exactly
[15:46] <fsphil> robot wars is about as much into sports as I get :)
[15:47] <BrainDamage> build a robot to exercise yourself
[15:48] <daveake> Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yln_IGDuOCo
[15:49] <NigeyS> robot wars was cool!
[15:51] <fsphil> wow
[15:51] <fsphil> risky fun!
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[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> good evening
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> how is life?
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Meh, at the moment. Writing annoying letters.
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> and I am revising for experimental physics 2
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> movement of charged particles in fields?
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> and optics, dipoles, waves, capacitors
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> and so on
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[18:31] <BrainDamage> at the end of the exam, they'll hand you a t-shirt with maxwell eq, and caption "let there be light"
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[18:45] <jcoxon> evening
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil jcoxon
[18:54] <jcoxon> hey Lunar_Lander
[18:55] Action: jcoxon is wondering about step up regs
[18:55] <jcoxon> how efficient are they?
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> Up to 95% is quite easy generally
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> More than that can be challenging.
[18:58] <jcoxon> got a NCP1400
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8999
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> someone saying 67%@50mA out
[19:01] <jcoxon> yeah i've got the 3.3v version
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> REad and understand the chip datasheet.
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> It'll typically have nice graphs f efficiency vs input and outpput voltages and currents
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> Look those up, and subtract a few percent
[19:10] <jcoxon> looks like 60%
[19:12] <daveake> I can believe that. The problem with low voltages (in and out of the reg) are that voltage drops across switching transistors are a large percentage of the voltages they're switching.
[19:13] <jcoxon> so a AAA + setup + socket is 10g
[19:13] <jcoxon> which is pretty good
[19:13] <jcoxon> and i suspect i'll get 1000mAh out of a single cell
[19:13] <daveake> Yep
[19:13] <daveake> Yes
[19:14] <daveake> You may find a better regulator, btw
[19:14] <jcoxon> yeah i appreciate that
[19:14] <jcoxon> or do i go with my current setup
[19:14] <jcoxon> solar + lipo
[19:14] <jcoxon> which is 14.8g
[19:15] <daveake> Still pretty good
[19:15] <jcoxon> but would work every day
[19:15] <daveake> 3 AAAs in my small payload, so that's a large fraction of the total (100g in my case)
[19:18] <daveake> How cold can your lipo run at?
[19:19] <jcoxon> daveake, difficult to know
[19:19] <jcoxon> haven' fully tested it
[19:19] <jcoxon> my flight isn't too high anywhere
[19:19] <daveake> Ah, ok. Foil then?
[19:20] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:20] <jcoxon> its my superlight payload
[19:21] <jcoxon> 27g - one foil balloon
[19:21] <daveake> I think lipos are generally specced to -20 so my guess is it'll be fine
[19:21] <daveake> 27g is very light; impressive!
[19:22] <Upu> ineeed
[19:22] <Upu> indeed even
[19:22] <jcoxon> its got super aggressive power saving
[19:22] <Upu> should put one of those under a latex balloon
[19:22] <jcoxon> will drive trackers mad
[19:22] <Upu> with hydrogen
[19:23] <Upu> yeah we love it jcoxon
[19:23] <daveake> AAA + NTX2 + GPS has got to be pretty close to 27g
[19:23] <Upu> how often does your payload transmit now ?
[19:25] <jcoxon> Upu, umm every 2 mins
[19:25] <jcoxon> but
[19:25] <Upu> ok
[19:25] <jcoxon> but gps data is more sparse
[19:25] <Upu> I couldn't find it last time
[19:25] <Upu> this for a foil balloon launch ?
[19:26] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:26] <jcoxon> also its not rtty
[19:26] <Upu> oh what is it ?
[19:26] <jcoxon> hell
[19:26] <Upu> don't those make a pattern in the waterfall ?
[19:27] <jcoxon> not really
[19:27] <jcoxon> so you take a 7x7 grid
[19:27] <jcoxon> 1 = black, 0 = white
[19:27] <jcoxon> so you key your tx on/off
[19:27] <jcoxon> to create a character
[19:28] <jcoxon> working up the columns
[19:28] <jcoxon> the advantage is that the human eye is awesome at picking out the characters
[19:28] <Upu> ok so going to be no direct decode via the PC ?
[19:28] <jcoxon> but will require you to read the string
[19:28] <jcoxon> will do CW as well
[19:29] <jcoxon> which in theory can be decoded
[19:29] <jcoxon> but that is terrible
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[19:33] <Tomawky> hi can someone do a balloon launch for me?
[19:34] <Upu> Hey there Tomawky
[19:34] <Upu> whats it for ?
[19:34] <Tomawky> I'm in the second (and last) stage of a contest for 15,000 dollars (http://doupto.com/15k-contest-final) and need some help... As you can see if you look at the website, the goal is to get their logo as high as possible. Since you've already done a weather balloon launch in the past, and know how it's done, I thought you might be willing to do another one for money? I was thinking you could do something like this for me http://ww
[19:35] <Tomawky> except instead of a toy robot you'd use the logo
[19:35] <Tomawky> and if you did this for me and i won, id give you 6000 dollars of my winnings
[19:35] <Upu> lol
[19:35] <Tomawky> and theres a good chance of me winning cause this is the last part of the contest, with only me and 5 other people
[19:36] <Upu> whats the 15k thing ?
[19:36] <Tomawky> what do ou mean?
[19:36] <Tomawky> look at the website
[19:37] <Tomawky> it was a video contest
[19:37] <Upu> yeah seen it
[19:37] <Tomawky> i won with 5 other people
[19:37] <Upu> how high did you get ?
[19:37] <Tomawky> mine was the giraffe video games one
[19:37] <Tomawky> no i need help with that part
[19:37] <Tomawky> i won the video part of the contest, that was the first staage
[19:38] <Tomawky> now the second and last stage of the contest is to get DoUpTo's logo as high as possible
[19:38] <Tomawky> whoever does wins the 15,000 dollars
[19:38] <Tomawky> so now im asking if you can do a weather balloon launch for me
[19:38] <Tomawky> with a camera and the logo
[19:38] <Upu> based in the UK ?
[19:38] <Tomawky> it can be anywhere
[19:39] <Upu> are you based in the UK ?
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[19:39] <Tomawky_> sorry i disconnected there now im back
[19:39] <Tomawky_> no im not in the uk
[19:39] <Upu> nps
[19:40] <Upu> are you personally based in the UK ?
[19:40] <Tomawky_> but could you send up a weather balloon with a camera and the logo, then send me the footage?
[19:40] <Tomawky_> i live in canada
[19:40] <Upu> ok there are people on here who could get that logo up to 38k meters probably more
[19:40] <Upu> the problem is you haven't left much time to do it
[19:41] <Tomawky_> yeah i know
[19:41] <Tomawky_> but the contest only started with 10 days to do it
[19:41] <Tomawky_> so ive been trying to find someone
[19:41] <Upu> alot of the NOTAM (permission to fly ) we have only cover weekends
[19:41] <Tomawky_> well its saturday so you could do it tommorow
[19:41] <Upu> personally I don't have a working payload at the moment so I can't assist
[19:42] <Upu> there is the issue of weather also :)
[19:42] <Tomawky_> oh
[19:42] <Tomawky_> yeah
[19:42] <Upu> if you want the pictures back
[19:42] <Tomawky_> yeah
[19:42] <Tomawky_> like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAnLxRvNNc
[19:42] <Tomawky_> but instead of the robot use the logo
[19:42] <jcoxon> its probably easier to get someone in the states to launch
[19:43] <jcoxon> its easier for them to launch
[19:43] <jcoxon> as they don't need such strict permission
[19:43] <Tomawky_> do you know anyone?
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[19:43] <jcoxon> have a google for high altitude balloon projects
[19:43] <jcoxon> there are lots
[19:43] <Tomawky_> i have
[19:43] <Tomawky_> i sent emails
[19:43] <Tomawky_> everyone says no
[19:44] <jcoxon> spoken with wb8elk?
[19:44] <Tomawky_> no whos he?
[19:44] <jcoxon> Bill Brown
[19:44] <jcoxon> he does a lot of balloons
[19:44] <jcoxon> might be able to help
[19:44] <Tomawky_> do you have his email?
[19:44] <Upu> http://hiwaay.net/~bbrown/
[19:45] <Tomawky_> thanks
[19:45] <Upu> good luck
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[19:56] <jonsowman> we had an email to the CUSF list today asking for exactly the same thing
[19:56] <jcoxon> jonsowman, its the same person
[19:56] <jonsowman> oh ok
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[20:05] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[20:05] <Upu> evening
[20:05] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi/index.html
[20:05] <jcoxon> you can see the hell
[20:06] <Upu> I see it
[20:06] <Upu> so would someone have to manually submit that to spacenear.us ?
[20:06] <jcoxon> it sounds like chiping
[20:06] <number10> is that able to control your receiver at home jcoxon
[20:06] <jcoxon> chirping
[20:06] <jcoxon> number10, yes
[20:06] <jcoxon> Upu, currently yes
[20:06] <number10> thats cool
[20:07] <Upu> sure you could link that into some sort of OCR library
[20:07] <jcoxon> possibly
[20:07] <jcoxon> the advantage is the human reading it
[20:07] <Upu> Do you really think someone is going to pay £15k to put a balloon up...
[20:07] <Upu> yep
[20:07] <Upu> $15k
[20:08] <jcoxon> as i said - it won't be easy
[20:08] <Upu> Rob Harrison has a payload that could do it fairly easily
[20:08] <Upu> however
[20:08] <Upu> weather, NOTAM, work etc
[20:09] <jcoxon> Oi
[20:09] <jcoxon> someone played with the radio
[20:09] <Upu> lol
[20:09] <Upu> wasn't me :)
[20:09] Action: Upu looks at number10
[20:09] <Upu> tune it into Radio1 :)
[20:10] <number10> I know you had problems with antenna last time on your pico- jcoxon, but I think short infrequent bursts may be difficult to tune into
[20:10] <number10> sorry that was me :(
[20:10] <Upu> yeah ditto I couldn't find it
[20:10] <Upu> is this still part of the trans-atlantic float plan ?
[20:10] <jcoxon> this is pushing it to the limits unfortunately
[20:10] <jcoxon> Upu, nah
[20:11] <jcoxon> though its an interesting experiment in long duration stuff
[20:11] <Upu> so whats the need for such extreme power saving ?
[20:11] <jcoxon> cause the payload weighs 27g
[20:11] <jcoxon> yes can nearly run indefinitely
[20:11] <jcoxon> yet*
[20:11] <Upu> how long can the battery alone run the payload for ?
[20:11] <number10> apologies for retuning the radio btw
[20:11] <jcoxon> Upu, still working on htat
[20:11] <jcoxon> i think i can pull off overnight
[20:12] <jcoxon> though on a restricted transmission schedule
[20:12] <Upu> build some sort of MARS rover style recovery when the sun comes up into it
[20:12] <Upu> works for Arissat
[20:12] <jcoxon> Upu, it powers up well in the morning
[20:12] <Upu> so payload will run from solar panels entirely with enough left to charge batteries ?
[20:13] <jcoxon> well its only a 110mAh lipo
[20:13] <jcoxon> during the day it slowly charges the lipo
[20:13] <jcoxon> also the lipo allows the occasional increase in current for GPS
[20:13] <EI5GTB> evening
[20:13] <Upu> evening EI5GTB
[20:14] <Upu> sounds interesting
[20:14] <Upu> I'm going to make a smaller payload this time but nothing compared to what you're doing
[20:14] <jcoxon> hehe i don't recommend what i'm doing
[20:14] <jcoxon> i've done by camera payloads
[20:14] <jcoxon> just looking at something new
[20:14] <Upu> indeed
[20:15] <number10> how much charge do you get from the solat jcoxon - they cant be that big
[20:15] <number10> slar
[20:16] <number10> solar
[20:16] <jcoxon> so get about 4.5v up to 100mA
[20:16] <number10> in bright sunlight?
[20:16] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:17] <number10> so for 10 hours of bright light you get roughly an AAA
[20:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:18] <number10> and the solar panel weighs what compared to the AAA
[20:18] <jcoxon> 14g vs 10g
[20:18] <jcoxon> but the solar setup has a lipo as well
[20:19] <number10> ah
[20:19] <jcoxon> last run it gave another 6hrs at night
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[20:19] <jcoxon> and in the morning it can wake up the payload
[20:19] <number10> how long are you intending flight duration (sorry for all questions but is interesting)
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[20:20] <jcoxon> well...
[20:20] <jcoxon> a foil super-pressure could to multiple days
[20:21] <jcoxon> do*
[20:21] <number10> I see the reason for the solar idea -
[20:22] <jcoxon> and the problem we've been having with foil balloons is that we've needed more then 1
[20:22] <jcoxon> and that means that its harder to get them to float
[20:23] <jcoxon> hence the push down to 27g
[20:23] <jcoxon> so that you can use 1 balloon and hterefore reduce the system complexity
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[20:25] Action: EI5GTB likes the idea of an extended duration flight
[20:26] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, lots of challenges
[20:26] <EI5GTB> hence why i like the idea!
[20:26] <EI5GTB> so camera payloads are completley out of the question here
[20:26] <jcoxon> well it depends
[20:26] <jcoxon> depends on your approach
[20:26] <EI5GTB> what about using a challenge/response setup?
[20:27] <jcoxon> so you could go for high alt floats
[20:27] <jcoxon> with latex
[20:27] <jcoxon> and then could carry a camera
[20:27] <jcoxon> but the latex limits your flight
[20:27] <EI5GTB> ok
[20:27] <number10> It sounds like fun - not sure that my novice traking skills will be of much help- I think a good preamble before transmission would help people tune in... maybe a sequence - wake up and do long preample, then next transmission shorter
[20:28] <jcoxon> number10, i was perhaps thinking single morse characters
[20:28] <jcoxon> every 10 seconds or so
[20:28] <number10> yes, that would help
[20:29] <EI5GTB> what about the acars protocall, that is very airtime efficient
[20:29] <jcoxon> its not like rtty where the decoder needs to be in sync
[20:29] <jcoxon> hell is an async mode
[20:29] <EI5GTB> yea
[20:30] <jcoxon> so you just need to select the signal and it'll decode immediately
[20:30] <jcoxon> going to rely on the dl-fldigi crowd sourcing for tracking
[20:31] <EI5GTB> well, if battery power is an issue you want the tx to be up as little as possible
[20:32] <number10> I suppose then we have to type the decode here or email you or something
[20:32] <jcoxon> number10, well i've got an idea
[20:32] <jcoxon> just a php page
[20:32] <jcoxon> enter in the string
[20:32] <jcoxon> going to make a competition
[20:32] <jcoxon> score for number of strings
[20:32] <number10> good - only hope I can help - as I wasnt much use last time
[20:34] <number10> are there any HAM hell transmissions that we can get a grip with fl-digi setup. as I see there are a number of hell configurations
[20:35] <jcoxon> its feld-hell
[20:35] <jcoxon> though we could do slow-hell as well
[20:36] <jcoxon> number10, they'll be lots of practice
[20:37] <number10> I am not radio amateaur, are there any transmissions in EU that I can tune into?
[20:37] <jcoxon> yeah its not a popular format
[20:37] <jcoxon> what radio do you have?
[20:38] <number10> AOR receiver
[20:38] <jcoxon> http://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/hellschreiber-frequencies.htm#freqs
[20:39] <number10> I'll check it out
[20:42] <number10> all feld hell?
[20:43] <jcoxon> not sure
[20:44] <number10> well I will havce a look - as it will be interesting
[20:48] <jcoxon> number10, you coming to the conference?
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[20:49] <number10> cant make it - as in france the day before and long drive - hope to look at the stream
[20:49] <jcoxon> fair enough
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[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> back
[21:01] <EI5GTB> jcoxon is the conference in the london hackspace?
[21:01] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, no
[21:01] <jcoxon> its been moved
[21:01] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference
[21:02] <EI5GTB> ah, ok, i saw that is was in the hackspace somwhere, i was wondering which was the more up to date data
[21:02] <EI5GTB> actually, it is in the hackspaces calender
[21:03] <jcoxon> i think we took it out
[21:03] <jcoxon> it was originally in the hackspace
[21:03] <jcoxon> but numbers were too big
[21:03] <EI5GTB> understandably
[21:04] <EI5GTB> should be good craic, looking forward to it
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[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah well
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> hair pulling time again
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleed's board won't communicate with the programmer
[21:05] <EI5GTB> hairpulling and nosebleeds..... count me out!
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:05] <EI5GTB> brb, supper
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[21:06] <fsphil> jcoxon, fsk hell is much better in weak conditions than normal feld-hell
[21:06] <fsphil> or even slow hell
[21:09] <jcoxon> yeah but if i could do fsk
[21:09] <jcoxon> i wouldn't do hell :-p
[21:09] <fsphil> ack, totally forgot about that
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> on the other hand
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> I can continue my assitance job at the physics department
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> *assistance
[21:10] <number10> is that good news or bad news Lunar_Lander
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> good :)
[21:11] <fsphil> what power is the module you're using jcoxon?
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> because that gives money
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:11] <number10> tawell thats good
[21:11] <jcoxon> fsphil, rated to +20dbm
[21:11] <jcoxon> in theory
[21:11] <number10> -ta
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> are you ready for the stupid moment of the week?
[21:13] <fsphil> isn't that 100mw jcoxon?
[21:13] <jcoxon> uhuh
[21:13] <jcoxon> but we'll be running at 10dbm
[21:14] <fsphil> aah
[21:14] <jcoxon> till we leave our geopolygon
[21:14] <jcoxon> ...
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> well stupid moment of the week
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> I got a xBee breakout
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> which needs male headers and xbee sockets
[21:14] <fsphil> I like your thinking jcoxon :)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and I wanted to solder it up on friday
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> got it to university, unpacked it
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and I had ordered xBee headers instead of sockets
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> that was the stupid moment of the week
[21:17] Action: Lunar_Lander notices the sound of the grasshoppers
[21:20] <fsphil> last time I was up the mountain there where grasshoppers all around. but I never seen one
[21:20] <fsphil> they're stealthy wee bugs
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> nature is cool
[21:21] <fsphil> it is
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> and at least arduino can be coded without problems
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil : do you know the "Symphony of Science"?
[21:33] <fsphil> don't think so
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[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> it is a cool music project
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> someone takes clips from science shows and talks,autotunes them and composes his own music to it
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> http://symphonyofscience.com/
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> Brian Cox is cool
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> like the starrrrsss
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> i think hes taken too many drugs
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> but feynman rocks!
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:35] <jcoxon> oh dear
[22:35] <jcoxon> it started raining
[22:35] <jcoxon> payload not too happy
[22:36] <jcoxon> better stop this test and dry it out
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon : rain is a problem here also
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> and the cold
[22:38] <fsphil> rained all day here
[22:38] <jcoxon> its quiet rain
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:38] <jcoxon> hence why i've only just realised
[22:39] <jcoxon> hopefully it'll be okay!
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:39] <fsphil> sneaks up on you
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> as you know
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> in time, everything will be alright
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[23:27] <NSS> Greetings!
[23:27] <NSS> antone have any info on Bills balloon?
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[23:56] <natrium42> bonjour mes amis
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