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[00:18] <nosebleedKT> re
[00:19] <nosebleedKT> steve jobs died :(
[00:19] <nosebleedKT> https://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
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[01:15] <Dan-K2VOL> http://www.youtube.com/v/4oAB83Z1ydE&rel=1&color2=0x000000&border=0
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[07:33] <UpuWork> Placing order for the ublox now so if anyone wants them last call
[07:33] <Darkside> how many are you getting?
[07:33] <UpuWork> 15
[07:33] <Laurenceb_> ill have one
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> ublox6?
[07:34] <UpuWork> yeah
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> which one?
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> not max6 im guessing
[07:34] <UpuWork> You in the UK Laurenceb ?
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> yes
[07:34] <Darkside> UpuWork: how much are you charging for them?
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> Derby
[07:34] <UpuWork> jsut cost
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> nice :P
[07:34] <Darkside> 23 pounds wasnt it?
[07:34] <UpuWork> £18.63 each less VAT
[07:34] <Darkside> you must be on the price break above the one i got them on
[07:34] <UpuWork> so yeah about £23
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> wow
[07:34] <UpuWork> NEO-6Q-O
[07:34] <UpuWork> 1-49 off price break £18.63 each
[07:34] <Darkside> yeah, more than what i paid
[07:34] <Laurenceb_> ok ill take 2
[07:35] <UpuWork> Module only
[07:35] <UpuWork> no antenna
[07:35] <Laurenceb_> sure
[07:35] <UpuWork> just the chip needs mounting
[07:35] <UpuWork> ok
[07:35] <Laurenceb_> ill send payment by paypal
[07:35] <Darkside> i got mine through another resellet, so i didnt have to pay VAT
[07:35] <UpuWork> fire me a quick mail Laurenceb to upuaut@gmail.com with number and your name
[07:35] <Laurenceb_> if you email me - eexlb2<at>nottingham<dot>ac<dot>uk
[07:35] <Laurenceb_> ok
[07:35] <Laurenceb_> yeah sure
[07:36] <UpuWork> ta you coming to the conference ?
[07:36] <Laurenceb_> i thought there were no places
[07:36] <UpuWork> Do you want to come ?
[07:36] <Laurenceb_> yes
[07:37] <UpuWork> put that in the mail too I'll speak to jcoxon and see if we have any free spaces
[07:37] <UpuWork> Hey Darkside did you see my panorama : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/IMG_6480_stitch.jpg
[07:37] <Laurenceb_> ok
[07:37] <UpuWork> ok final call before I place this order...
[07:37] <Laurenceb_> wonder if you can smell the cheese from up there
[07:38] <Laurenceb_> you can see a lot of france
[07:38] <UpuWork> yeah
[07:38] <UpuWork> it was only when I stiched it I realised the photos were of France
[07:40] <UpuWork> right order away
[07:43] <Laurenceb_> cool thanks
[07:43] <Laurenceb_> whens the conference?
[07:46] <daveake> Sat 15th Oct
[07:46] <Laurenceb_> ok
[07:46] <DrLuke> upuwork: it seems like you captures venus (or mercury) on your panorama photo
[07:46] <daveake> 9 - 6 according to my diary but that may be wrong
[07:47] <DrLuke> And the moon
[07:47] <daveake> UpuWork nice panorama :)
[07:48] <UpuWork> DrLuke we aren't sure I thought it was the moon
[07:48] <UpuWork> or do you mean the dots ?
[07:48] <DrLuke> http://i53.tinypic.com/flgi7m.png
[07:48] <DrLuke> the dot next to the sun must be a planet
[07:48] <DrLuke> stars wouldn't be bright enough
[07:48] <UpuWork> or a hot pixel :)
[07:48] <DrLuke> or that, yes
[07:49] <number10> I like that panorama
[07:49] <DrLuke> but then it would appear on every photo
[07:49] <UpuWork> there are a number of dots at the top right of the image
[07:49] <UpuWork> and there is one below the moon as well
[07:50] <DrLuke> yes, those probably are stars :)
[07:50] <DrLuke> I wonder if anyone ever did a launch at night...
[07:50] <UpuWork> I know of a few dawn launches
[07:50] <daveake> Well Darkside's flew all night :)
[07:50] <UpuWork> lol
[07:50] <Darkside> edmoore had a star tracker payload on one
[07:51] <Darkside> dunno the details
[07:51] <Darkside> bbl, dinnet
[07:52] <Darkside> dinner*
[07:52] <Laurenceb_> that wa shallam
[07:52] <Laurenceb_> *was
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[08:01] <x-f> well, if they (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Draconid_Meteor_Outburst_999.html) are launching a HAB to see meteors, then brightest stars also should be visible at that altitude
[08:01] <x-f> Venus can be seen in daylight, however right now it is close to the Sun
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[08:03] <x-f> that dot close to the Moon doesn't look like hot pixel (it's a little blurry), but I'm checking Stellarium and cannot see any bright object at that position..
[08:05] <UpuWork> yeah got my Astronomy buddy on it now
[08:05] <UpuWork> UFO ?
[08:05] <number10> you can see planet in the ava burst video at 1:40
[08:09] <daveake> Someone should do a nighttime launch with the balloon lit by a bright LED in the neck. See how many "I've seen a UFO!" reports get on the news ;)
[08:10] <UpuWork> lol
[08:10] <UpuWork> CREE LED would probably melt the balloon
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[08:10] <daveake> True
[08:11] <daveake> I put the LED outside and carry the light by fibre optic cable
[08:11] <daveake> Anyway I wasn't being serious :)
[08:11] <daveake> Buzz's UFO won't be launching this weekend ... decided to wait as the winds aren't at all favourable
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[08:27] <UpuWork> hot pixel below the sun
[08:31] <number10> did you check the video at 1:40
[08:33] <costyn> UpuWork: love the panorama, very nice!
[08:43] Nick change: ms7821 -> MS7821
[08:48] <UpuWork> will do shortly number10
[08:48] <UpuWork> got this work thing getting in the way
[08:51] <costyn> UpuWork: work sux yes
[08:51] <UpuWork> number10 oh yes
[08:51] <UpuWork> interesting
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[09:51] <UpuWork> And the Steve Jobs jokes start to roll in
[09:51] <UpuWork> there is a irony for steve jobs, he has to go through gates to get to heaven
[09:51] <UpuWork> he isnt dead btw ... the nurses are just holding him wrong
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[10:12] <costyn> UpuWork: haha terrible
[10:17] <GW8RAK> They didn't take long to appear
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> I was so tempted to shoop the picture of him on wikipedia holding the iphone to a zombie, holding the latest one
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[10:33] <DrLuke> lol
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[11:37] <Laurenceb> Upuwork: his built in obsolescence got the better of him
[11:37] <Laurenceb> bet he wishes he had a replacable battery now
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[11:50] <Laurenceb> His final will stated that he be buried in a glossy white coffin with no visible hinges or latches.
[11:52] <costyn> Laurenceb: those are pretty awful :D
[11:52] <costyn> still funny tho
[11:55] <daveake_> Has anyone tried switching him off then on again?
[11:56] <Laurenceb> lmao
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> daveake_: Someone thought about trying that, but couldn't find the reset button.
[11:56] <daveake_> :)
[11:56] <costyn> daveake_: I think it was the 'back on' part that didn't work out
[11:57] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
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[11:58] <daveake> So there's a launch tomorrow from Cambs?
[11:59] <UpuWork> Not seen a notification
[11:59] <daveake> I'm trying to remember where I saw something
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[12:01] <costyn> daveake: there's something in the /topic but that's saturday
[12:01] <daveake> Ah, yes, of course, it's not Friday today :p
[12:02] <daveake> Brain has had enough of this week :)
[12:02] <costyn> :)
[12:03] <daveake> I decided not to launch this weekend. Too much chance of landing in the sea. Again.
[12:04] <daveake> Next date 16th, day after the conf
[12:14] <W0OTM> Howdy
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[12:21] <costyn> http://xkcd.com/961/
[12:22] <Laurenceb> that was fast
[12:30] <nosebleedKT> I got a question. Can I copy the program from an MCU to a file and then upload that file to another same MCU ?
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[12:34] <fsphil> think so
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[12:34] <fsphil> would have to be identical MCU
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> yes of course
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> and im not willing to edit the software
[12:36] <nosebleedKT> just copy the binary from one to another
[12:36] <fsphil> yea should be fine
[12:37] <nosebleedKT> the tool to do it ?
[12:38] <fsphil> avrdude should work
[12:38] <nosebleedKT> !
[12:40] <danielsaul_web> Where are the other UKHAS launch sites? There's Cambridge and...
[12:41] <fsphil> cambridge2
[12:42] <fsphil> elsworth and churchhill collage iirc
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[12:52] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmNN3jj6WM
[12:52] <Laurenceb> loool
[12:53] <BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://imgur.com/gallery/KzNAb
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_OqQFWh74&feature=related
[12:58] <fsphil> haha
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> That's a really bad idea.
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[12:59] <SpeedEvil> You need to secure the chair, so it can't be moved, and tape down the headphone cord.
[13:00] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbpT5NTY5dk
[13:00] <BrainDamage> if she's sufficiently immobilized, she shouldn't be able to move it by shifting weight
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> ˜ R%R…
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[13:28] <W0OTM> Wow, my iHAB-7 video made the cover of QRZ.com
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:34] <daveake> nice :)
[13:37] <Laurenceb> "contrails"
[13:37] <Laurenceb> yeah we all know the truth
[13:37] <Laurenceb> chemitrails !!!
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[13:39] <W0OTM> Laurenceb: LMAO
[13:40] <W0OTM> Laurenceb: dont think I didnt think of that already...
[13:44] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ZrOZd.png
[13:45] <costyn> Laurenceb: harsh :)
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[14:00] <x-f> what's the point?
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[14:09] <SamSilver> one for Mr Steve Jobs http://vimeo.com/11185787
[14:26] <x-f> "3 apples changed the world: Adam and Eve's forbidden apple, Newton's apple and finally, Steve Jobs's Apple."
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Apple - hw - diddn't change the world
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Their making a success of the app store - quite possibly.
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[14:29] <Laurenceb> but that idea was from linux
[14:29] <Upu> Laurenceb do you want antennas for these uBlox chips ?
[14:30] <Laurenceb> well yes if you have some XD
[14:30] <Upu> same question to fsphil, WillDuckworth
[14:30] <Upu> going to order some from the US
[14:30] <Laurenceb> what sort?
[14:30] <Upu> http://www.rell.com/Pages/Product-Details.aspx?productId=932896
[14:31] <Laurenceb> ah sarantel cool
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> I wonder how well a simple dipole would work for HAB
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> I mean - no - it's not optimal
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> But all sky in view
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[14:40] <WillDuckworth> yes please Upu
[14:40] <WillDuckworth> you sure on that?
[14:40] <UpuWork> sure on ?
[14:40] <UpuWork> :)
[14:41] <WillDuckworth> ordering them in :)
[14:41] <UpuWork> yeah might as well
[14:41] <WillDuckworth> cool
[14:47] <WillDuckworth> hey Upu, do you want to rustle up a google doc a la Darkside?
[14:47] <Upu> I have it written down here
[14:48] <WillDuckworth> good stuff, just an idea :)
[14:48] <UpuWork> don't worry :) all in hand
[14:49] <WillDuckworth> how are you getting to the conference? i'm thinking of getting a train rather than drive so far and tube in (which i think is out that weekend)
[14:50] <UpuWork> I'm coming down on Friday on the Train
[14:50] <UpuWork> staying with Friends near Bermondsley
[14:50] <WillDuckworth> good stuff
[14:51] <WillDuckworth> i reckon we need name badges ?!??
[14:53] <UpuWork> already ordered... :)
[14:54] <WillDuckworth> blimey - full on organisation, i'm impressed
[14:54] <costyn> Laurenceb: When you die, you see your life going by in a flash... Steve jobs didn't. Apple doesn't support Flash
[14:55] <costyn> too soon? sorry, i'm a mac fanboy, so I think everything Apple does is cool, but I'm also a sucker for bad jokes :)
[14:55] <Laurenceb> loool
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[15:00] <SamSilver> I am looking at a 5MB hard drive made by IBM in 1956 it weighs over a ton.
[15:03] <UpuWork> Antennas are about £5.70 with the shipping on as long as customs don't decide to take a swipe at it
[15:13] <SamSilver> http://imgur.com/eEYiT
[15:14] <Laurenceb> Upu: ok
[15:14] <Laurenceb> so 2xublox6+1xant for me please
[15:14] <Laurenceb> paypal ok?
[15:15] <UpuWork> yep I'll let you know the total when I get invoices
[15:15] <Laurenceb> ok
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[15:29] <Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/of9dD
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[15:32] <SamSilver> lol
[15:32] <jcoxon> evening all
[15:32] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[15:32] <jonsowman> how are you?
[15:33] <jcoxon> sleepy - back on nights
[15:33] <jonsowman> ah dear
[15:33] <Upu> hi jcoxon
[15:33] <jonsowman> work going alright apart from that?
[15:33] <jcoxon> yeah thanks
[15:33] <jcoxon> hey Upu
[15:33] <Upu> want some antenni for these chips ?
[15:33] <jcoxon> nah its okay
[15:33] <Upu> £5.50 each unless customs catch up
[15:33] <Upu> ok
[15:33] <jcoxon> i've got a few spare
[15:33] <Upu> rgr
[15:34] <jcoxon> and i'm not the biggest fan of helical
[15:34] <jcoxon> as i find positioning a bit annoying
[15:34] <jcoxon> at least with patch you just need to face it up
[15:35] <jcoxon> jonsowman, i'll put you into the lightning talk section
[15:35] <jonsowman> thanks jcoxon
[15:35] <jcoxon> as i've got a 10mins space there
[15:35] <jonsowman> that'll do nicely
[15:35] <jonsowman> cheers
[15:35] <jcoxon> not that anyone is going to follow the plan
[15:35] <UpuWork> there is a plan ? :)
[15:35] <jcoxon> exactly!
[15:35] <jonsowman> lol
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[15:41] <jcoxon> hmmm this wind is causing me great trouble in testing my payload
[15:41] <jcoxon> keeps trying to blow it out hte window
[15:42] <Upu> its hailing here
[15:42] <jonsowman> lol
[15:42] <jcoxon> oh well - will postpone until it calms down
[15:43] <jonsowman> what launches have you got planned jcoxon?
[15:43] <jcoxon> jonsowman, well i'm working on this 25g payload
[15:43] <jcoxon> though it'll end up being 30g by the end i suspect
[15:43] <jcoxon> which means it can be carried by 1 foil balloon
[15:44] <jonsowman> oh cool, sounds good
[15:44] <jcoxon> its got solar so in theory is long duration as it'll wake up from dead
[15:44] <jcoxon> though takes a while to have enough power to get a gps lock
[15:44] <jonsowman> fair enough
[15:44] <jonsowman> still quite cool through
[15:44] <jonsowman> *though
[15:45] <jonsowman> planned launch date?
[15:45] <jcoxon> its also going to be a challenge to track
[15:45] <jcoxon> going to need lots of help
[15:45] <jcoxon> as i can't get the radio to do rtty
[15:45] <jonsowman> why's that?
[15:45] <jcoxon> RF22b
[15:45] <jcoxon> but i've got it doing hell
[15:46] <jonsowman> right
[15:46] <jonsowman> so it's going to be drive to predicted landing and fox hunt
[15:46] <jonsowman> ?
[15:46] <jcoxon> well i'm not sure it'll come back
[15:46] <jonsowman> true
[15:47] <WillDuckworth> hey jcoxon, what's the power output on that RF22b?
[15:47] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, well its variable but we'll be setting it to 10dbm in the UK
[15:48] <WillDuckworth> what prob are you having getting it to do rtty?
[15:49] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, well its a more of an intergrated radio tx - designed to do faster comms
[15:49] <jonsowman> why that rather than the ntx2?
[15:49] <jonsowman> weight?
[15:49] <jcoxon> its not simple to get it to do a shift that would actually fit on waterfall
[15:49] <WillDuckworth> yeah - looks like it, have you found the arduino library for it? (if that's what you're using)
[15:49] <jcoxon> jonsowman, oh yeah its 2g i think
[15:50] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, yeah, though i'm using the less advanced one
[15:50] <jcoxon> less overhead
[15:50] <jcoxon> it might be possible to generate rtty by fiddling with the osc caps
[15:51] <jonsowman> that's basically what one of the new generation CUSF radios will be doing
[15:51] <jonsowman> in the middle of proto'ing at the moment
[15:51] <jonsowman> if it works it will be so, so lightweight
[15:51] <WillDuckworth> are you sticking with the energizer AAA batteries for it do you think?
[15:52] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, oh no - they are heavy!
[15:52] <jcoxon> hehe
[15:52] <jcoxon> solar panel + 110mAh lipo
[15:52] <WillDuckworth> exactly, still trying to find something and yeah - lipo probably easiest
[15:53] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, i take that back i'm experiementing with 1xAAA + stepup
[15:53] <WillDuckworth> good luck - let us know how you go!
[15:54] <jcoxon> the nice thing about solar/lipo is that during the day it'll wake up
[15:55] <jcoxon> so if we did pull off a long duration flight it could do multiple days
[15:58] <jcoxon> Upu, with streaming we should perhaps advertise to interested groups
[16:06] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, i'll bring the payload along to the conference
[16:12] <WillDuckworth> yes, that would be good :)
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[16:46] <daveake> fsphil - any news on your notam?
[16:51] <Upu> hi sorry back now
[16:51] <Upu> I think 20 should be enough jcoxon what do you think ?
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[17:00] <DanielRichman> Upu: how's the streaming stuff going btw, out of interest?
[17:07] <Upu> think we are just getting a comercial outfit to do it properly
[17:07] <Upu> with no ads
[17:09] <DanielRichman> oh, that's cool
[17:11] <jcoxon> Upu, 20 what?
[17:11] <Upu> streams
[17:11] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[17:11] <jcoxon> no idea who'll be there
[17:12] <Upu> back in a few sorry on phone
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[19:04] <fsphil> Upu, yes :)
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:14] <futurity> Hi, I'm finally able to start playing with various electronic bits and bobs to make a simple payload
[19:15] <futurity> Lunar_Lander: Hi
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[19:15] <futurity> Well it's taken almost 2 years to get even this far
[19:15] <futurity> family commitments etc ;)
[19:16] <futurity> anyway I've managed to get hold of a few TX2-433-40-3v modules
[19:16] <futurity> not the NTX2 unfortunately, but looking to build some very cheap payloads that I can launch and not bother collecting
[19:17] <futurity> I assume these are set at the standard free frequency and will clash with things like burglar alarms, key fobs etc?
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> well those should be encoded anyway
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> like that you can only open your garage door with the correct remote
[19:21] <futurity> I see, but if the frequency clashes and i leave this module transmitting, will it block everyone's devices?
[19:21] <futurity> should I bias it some how to shift its frequency to not clash with other devices?
[19:22] <futurity> i'm a bit rusty on the electronics side you see
[19:22] <futurity> more of a programmer
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> maybe someone else?
[19:25] <futurity> to date, i've helped out at a few launched, videoed a burst (very lucky) and have been tracking balloons mainly
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[19:25] <futurity> about time i did one myself ;)
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[19:26] <GW8RAK> futurity, assuming you are on licence free channels, any interference will be minimal as the signal strength will be so low by the time the tx'ed signal gets to the garage door
[19:26] <number10> futurity, I think you should get a narrow band tcx module NTX2 -
[19:26] <number10> have a look at http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules
[19:27] <futurity> I know the NTX2 modules are recommended, but i think they are more expensive and therefore more than i want to spend if I'm not looking to collect it
[19:27] <number10> typing is bad - txc should be tx (transmitter)
[19:27] <futurity> i've got these TX2 modules for £3 each you see
[19:28] <number10> well you only need one, and the NTX2 is about £14
[19:29] <futurity> that's not so bad
[19:29] <GW8RAK> Are the modules FM?
[19:29] <futurity> i take it that the TX2 is a completely different beast then
[19:30] <futurity> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/tx2
[19:30] <futurity> FM transmitter yes
[19:31] <futurity> Mine seem to be TX2-433-40-3v
[19:32] <GW8RAK> Just looking at the datasheet
[19:33] <futurity> gw8rak: thanks, I appreciate any help
[19:34] <GW8RAK> There's no problem with using them airborne, they are licence exempt. The problem is that being FM, they will not be as efficient as the NTX2 modulation.
[19:35] <GW8RAK> This will reduce the listening range and make tracking a bit harder
[19:35] <futurity> i see
[19:35] <futurity> isn't the NTX2 FM as well, but you modulate it with DC voltages instead (this is from my very limited understanding)
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[19:41] <GW8RAK> Yes it is. Just looking at the TX2 to see what the difference is. I think the TX2 is a wideband version of the N(arrowband)TX2
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[19:42] <GW8RAK> Evening Lunar
[19:44] <futurity> it seems to imply that the TX data rate is 40kbps, 20kHz baseband BW, although I'm not sure what that means unfortuantely
[19:45] <Upu> if anyone gets BBC South Josh is on the news tommorrow night talking about the ballooon flight last weekend
[19:46] <number10> not quite here unfortunately
[19:47] <futurity> I may be available on the BBC iPlayer
[19:47] <Upu> oh yeah good point
[19:47] <GW8RAK> With the NTX2, the application of two different voltages results in the emitted RF energy being on two different frequencies. This is the 1 and 0 or Mark and Space of RTTY. I'm trying to work out if the TX2 does the same thing.
[19:47] <number10> futurity - have a look at the guides on ukhas.org.uk
[19:49] <number10> looks like GW8RAK is on the case futurity
[19:49] <futurity> gw8rak: I see, but perhaps being narrow band, it allows these 0 and 1 frequencies to be close enough to be detected as two difference frequencies on SSB
[19:49] <futurity> number10: Seems like gw8rak knows his stuff :)
[19:49] <GW8RAK> That's what I'm thinking. It could be that the wideband design is there just so the bandwidth is high and hence the datarate
[19:50] <futurity> if i launch it'll be a pico launch on a party balloon LOL
[19:51] <futurity> I take it that the larger the baseband BW the faster the data
[19:51] <futurity> i.e. 20kHz baseband BW gives 40kbps
[19:51] <futurity> and 100kHz baseband BW give 160kpbs
[19:51] <futurity> so if i look up the NTX2, i should be able to see the difference
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[19:54] <GW8RAK> It looks like the TX2 is designed for digital input of data. The design of the two is quite different and the NTX2 is defined as a voltage controlled oscillator, so two voltages will result in two output frequencies.
[19:55] <GW8RAK> IIRC, the maximum data rate is half the bandwidth?
[19:57] <futurity> gw8rak: many thanks for looking. At least your research shows for certain that its not possible
[19:57] <futurity> i guess they would still work for their intended purpose, but that's not going to be good at long range
[19:58] <GW8RAK> Not impossible to use futurity. Limited range may still mean 100km or so, which could be enough. Depends on your goals
[19:58] <GW8RAK> The way to try it would be a TX2, a party balloon and just let it go. See how far you can hear it for.
[19:59] <futurity> well the idea was to possibly float one and see how far it could be tracked using simply directional positioning with YAGI aerials
[19:59] <futurity> that's a good point
[19:59] <futurity> a simple tone circuit the TX2 and a battery and that's basically all that's needed
[19:59] <futurity> and me sitting on a high hill ;)
[20:00] <GW8RAK> And of course, I could be completely wrong :)
[20:00] <fsphil> Upu, I've got that on the satellite box -- what program do you know?
[20:00] <GW8RAK> Where are you futurity?
[20:00] <futurity> well its £3, plus £1 components + battery + balloon
[20:00] <futurity> hopefully less than £10
[20:00] <GW8RAK> Not a lot
[20:00] <futurity> I'm just south of Cambridge, hence why i have helped out at launches and tracking
[20:01] <GW8RAK> Near the Gog Magogs?
[20:01] <fsphil> that's like the centre of the HAB planet
[20:01] <GW8RAK> On what passes as a hill in that part of the world.
[20:01] <futurity> i can't afford to do the camera / video launches, due to restricted toy budget, so looking to get involve on a tight budget
[20:01] <futurity> Melbourn :)
[20:02] <GW8RAK> Okay, vaguely remember that.
[20:02] <futurity> almost as far south as Royston
[20:03] <futurity> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=melbourn&hl=en&ll=52.132856,0.096474&spn=0.242564,0.512581&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=30.128982,65.610352&vpsrc=6&hnear=Melbourn,+Royston,+Cambridgeshire,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=12
[20:03] <GW8RAK> Always thought Whittlesea Heights was a typo as they are about 3m above sea level
[20:03] <futurity> I work on the science park and sometimes cycle home, so not that far from the city ;)
[20:04] <futurity> gw8rak: are you Cambridge based?
[20:04] <GW8RAK> I used to live there, but not for a long time.
[20:05] <daveake> fsphil I asked DM not to process my application for this weekend, so now he must have spare time to get yours done ;)
[20:05] <fsphil> I'm not that optimistic :)
[20:06] <daveake> Given the wait so far, I'm not surprised :)
[20:06] <GW8RAK> Futurity, don't worry about the cost of the camera, my achievement for this week was a Canon A460 for £8.50.
[20:07] <fsphil> After the conference I'll start nudging him a bit more
[20:07] <futurity> its not really the cost of the camera, but rather the cost of the helium required to lift it ;)
[20:07] <daveake> I missed out on a Kodak Zx1 camcorder for £15
[20:07] <futurity> Did anyone here launch last weekend?
[20:08] <futurity> I think I tracked MONDO and XABEN to the last but one transmissions
[20:09] <fsphil> I got a few strings from mondo
[20:09] <fsphil> then had to leave for a nice lunch :)
[20:09] <daveake> Mondo was tricky
[20:09] <fsphil> yea
[20:09] <futurity> XABEN (spelling?) seems to have a very stable signal
[20:09] <futurity> Mondo seemed to dance a bit
[20:10] <futurity> but it was a lot of fun trying to track all three
[20:10] <fsphil> mondo was all over the place
[20:10] <fsphil> never seen the shift change as quickly before :)
[20:12] <futurity> nice patterns in the tracking software through. Proves just how good the software is that it still decoded it
[20:13] <fsphil> it works a treat
[20:15] <daveake> It is impressive when the trace lines rush across the screen at nearly 45 degrees, and the software follows them.
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[20:16] <jonsowman> daveake: are you launching this weekend?
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[20:17] <daveake> Nope. Too much risk of the payload joining my last one!
[20:17] <jonsowman> okay no problems :)
[20:17] <jonsowman> the CUSF calendar has "daveake provisional launch" on it -- was wondering what was going on
[20:17] <daveake> Oh, does it? Didn't know!
[20:18] <jonsowman> we have an internal calendar to keep track of things
[20:18] <daveake> I emailed DM this morning and asked him not to bother issuing my NOTAM for this w/e
[20:18] <daveake> ok
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[20:18] <jonsowman> have you got any other potential dates in mind?
[20:19] <daveake> 16th
[20:19] <jonsowman> I assume you're wanting to launch from cam?
[20:19] <Upu> day after conference
[20:19] <Upu> I'll still be in London
[20:19] <daveake> No, I put in an application to launch from here.
[20:19] <fsphil> ooh I can track from wales if you launch early enough
[20:19] <daveake> 9am-1pm
[20:19] <jonsowman> daveake: right, no problem :)
[20:20] <fsphil> or the plane :)
[20:20] <daveake> I'm on RocketBoy's list for EARS as a backup
[20:20] <Upu> they might have an issue with you pulling out your Yagi on the plane, just a hunch
[20:20] <daveake> lol
[20:20] <jonsowman> daveake: righto
[20:20] <jonsowman> just for reference in the future, you're welcome to come and use the CU Spaceflight site
[20:20] <fsphil> shagi will blend right in. they won't mind loose wires sticking out of a box making weird beepy noises
[20:20] <futurity> could you get away with a whip aerial that high up?
[20:21] <daveake> Thanks jonsowman, I'll remember that. Is your NOTAM for weekends only or any day? I haven't looked to see.
[20:21] <jonsowman> daveake: 24/7
[20:21] <daveake> fsphil LOL
[20:21] <daveake> Cheers and noted, jonsowman :)
[20:22] <daveake> I'm in Berks; Cambs isn't too far
[20:22] <jonsowman> cool
[20:22] <daveake> Closer than the North Sea ;)
[20:22] <jonsowman> just give us a bit of notice, we can usually accommodate everyone
[20:22] <GW8RAK> futurity, yes and on the ground if you are close enough
[20:22] <fsphil> wish I'd planned it a bit better, I might have been able to launch there if I'd stayed longer
[20:23] <daveake> jonsowman <monty_burns>Excellent ....</monty_burns>
[20:23] <jonsowman> :)
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[20:24] <daveake> If I do come to cambs, I can show you the DF-ing car PC :)
[20:24] <jonsowman> excellent
[20:24] <jonsowman> sounds good
[20:24] <fsphil> habkitt
[20:24] <Upu> that looks good daveake
[20:24] <Upu> this Cloud3 ?
[20:24] <daveake> Buzz1
[20:24] <daveake> How could you forget? ;)
[20:24] <Upu> meh :)
[20:24] <daveake> Oh, sorry, nothing pink in it
[20:24] <jonsowman> haha
[20:25] <Upu> its ok I have TM on pink payloads
[20:25] <Upu> though technically its all
[20:25] <Upu> whos fault was it now ?
[20:25] <Upu> who reloaded the linux box remotely ?
[20:25] <daveake> Have you got spacenear adjusted so it shows AVA in pink?
[20:25] <Upu> I don't know how to do that :)
[20:26] <daveake> No but you probably know someone who does!
[20:26] <jonsowman> DanielRichman I believe
[20:26] <fsphil> wonder if rob's icon is still there
[20:26] <daveake> Buzz1 could use his own icon too
[20:26] <Upu> Spoke to him today he reckons we should all land in the sea as its safer
[20:27] <fsphil> haha
[20:28] <DanielRichman> ;-)
[20:31] <sbasuita> evening
[20:31] <Upu> evening
[20:33] <daveake> I wonder if RocketBoy's seaboat company will do a group discount ;)
[20:33] <Upu> sure they will :)
[20:33] <Upu> easy money for them
[20:33] <daveake> yep
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[20:33] <fsphil> wonder what range they do :)
[20:34] <nosebleedKT> Hiall
[20:34] <daveake> cloud2 is probably near Norway by now, which I guess would stretch them a bit
[20:35] <fsphil> I'd be happy to land in the north sea
[20:35] <daveake> :)
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[20:43] <Laurenceb_> wow crazy thunderstorms
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> keeps killing my internet
[20:43] <fsphil> *envy*
[20:43] <fsphil> was a few flashes nearby here this-morning
[20:46] <futurity> Sea landing would allows large payloads :)
[20:46] <futurity> i guess it could still take out a boat and there is the risk it'll reach Norway
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[20:46] <GW8RAK> Boat shaped payload?
[20:47] <futurity> that's an idea
[20:47] <futurity> it lands and sails back to the beach
[20:47] <daveake> Then power the boat and give it its own guidance system
[20:47] <daveake> Or sail then :)
[20:47] <futurity> it could be the same payload same gps
[20:48] <daveake> Antenna in the mast
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> OK people
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> will be back later
[20:54] <nosebleedKT> hey Lunar_Lander
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> hey nosebleedKT
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I'll be back, don't worry :)
[20:55] <nosebleedKT> ok, i wont cry :p
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> :) good
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> cu later
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[20:55] <nosebleedKT> bb
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[21:16] <Laurenceb_> huge bolts right across the sky now
[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> webcam webcam :)
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> heh
[21:23] <DrLuke> Send up a balloon
[21:23] <DrLuke> and take photos up close
[21:27] <fsphil-laptop> eroomde was thinking of doing that
[21:28] <Upu> Josh is on South Today tommorrow
[21:28] <Upu> dunno which one probably 18:30
[21:29] <fsphil-laptop> will have a nosey
[21:29] <Upu> its on iPlayer
[21:29] <Upu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=south%20today
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[21:48] <nosebleedKT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_What_The_Fuck_You_Want_To_Public_License
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[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> back
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