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[02:17] <scbenoit> hello, I'm a newbie looking for Canadian resources for high altitude balloons
[02:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[02:23] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42 could maybe help you
[02:30] <scbenoit> Hi, thanks - I see he is in Oakville ON, I'm not to far north of that - In Barrie
[02:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> and he is quite experienced also
[02:33] <scbenoit> that's always handy
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[02:34] <scbenoit> I'm looking for any groups on the general area so that I can participate and learn the ropes
[02:36] <natrium42> scbenoit: i know of one team currently planning a launch
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[02:37] <scbenoit> cool, in Ontario natrium ?
[02:38] <natrium42> yeah, they're based in K-W
[02:38] <natrium42> http://haven-1.elven.ca/
[02:38] <natrium42> i will PM you their contact info
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[02:39] <scbenoit> thank you
[02:39] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: there?
[02:40] <natrium42> Neil deGrass Tyson claims that curvature of the earth won't be noticable from 30km up
[02:40] <natrium42> anybody want to do a calculation?
[02:41] <natrium42> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Curvature_of_the_horizon
[02:42] <Darkside> natrium42: wait
[02:42] <Darkside> he claimed that
[02:42] <Darkside> we have PHOTOS
[02:42] <Darkside> >_>
[02:42] <natrium42> he says that it's lens distortion
[02:42] <natrium42> one sec, i will nopaste
[02:42] <Darkside> ffffffff
[02:42] <Darkside> i know on our videos its lens distortion
[02:42] <Darkside> but on the camera pics its not
[02:42] <Darkside> do we have to fly an SLR just to prove him wrong?
[02:43] <Darkside> because i'd totally do that
[02:44] <natrium42> http://pastie.org/2635585
[02:44] <Darkside> ask him for the calculations
[02:44] <Darkside> >_>
[02:44] <natrium42> Darkside: http://pastie.org/2635585
[02:45] <natrium42> err
[02:45] <natrium42> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Curvature_of_the_horizon
[02:45] <natrium42> i think that he is wrong
[02:45] <Darkside> hehe
[02:45] <Darkside> respond with geometrical proof
[02:45] <natrium42> whoa
[02:46] <Darkside> weeeeeel
[02:46] <Darkside> hmm
[02:46] <Darkside> fly an SLR?
[02:46] <Darkside> :P
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[02:47] <scbenoit> thanks for the lead natrium,
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[02:47] <natrium42> Darkside: any lens would have some distortion
[02:47] <natrium42> i think you need to use a pinhole camera
[02:47] <natrium42> :P
[02:47] <scbenoit> thank you all, interesting group
[02:47] <natrium42> np
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[02:47] <Darkside> natrium42: haha
[02:47] <Darkside> well that'd make flying a SLR easier
[02:47] <Darkside> just use a pinhole lens :P
[02:48] <Darkside> but yea, totally not flying my own DSLR >_>
[02:50] <natrium42> you know you want it :D
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[02:55] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/Media/WD9HZU/P1560991-vi.jpg
[02:56] <Darkside> tethered?
[02:56] <W0OTM> no, 40 meter wire antenna
[02:56] <W0OTM> 66ft
[02:56] <Darkside> wait, fo 40m band? or 40m long
[02:57] <W0OTM> 40m band
[02:57] <Darkside> dipole?
[02:57] <Darkside> i
[02:57] <W0OTM> end fed zep
[02:57] <Darkside> interesting
[02:57] <Darkside> why that and not a dipole?
[02:57] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DSC_0281.jpg <-- 40m dipole
[02:57] <W0OTM> cause I have had good luck with the long wire
[02:58] <Darkside> ahh ok
[02:58] <W0OTM> I made a matching coil http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_Payload1_7.jpg
[02:58] <Darkside> how did you do the matching?
[02:58] <Darkside> ooh
[02:58] <Darkside> nice
[02:58] <Darkside> i just used a 1:1 balun on mine
[02:58] <W0OTM> so ur radio is in the middle box?
[02:58] <Darkside> yes
[02:59] <W0OTM> thats cool
[02:59] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DSC_2150.jpg <-- me holding it
[02:59] <Darkside> 10m of wire on either side
[02:59] <W0OTM> so, how did 40m work? good prop?
[02:59] <Darkside> its the closest thing to a free space dipole you can get :P
[02:59] <Darkside> i didn't have enough transmit power
[02:59] <W0OTM> how much you have?
[02:59] <Darkside> 40mW...
[03:00] <W0OTM> OH
[03:00] <Darkside> yeah
[03:00] <Darkside> not enough for skywave
[03:00] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_Payload1_6.jpg
[03:00] <Darkside> next time i'm flying 30m
[03:00] <W0OTM> about 4 watts
[03:00] <Darkside> jeez
[03:00] <Darkside> what class amp is that?
[03:01] <Darkside> at some point i need to build up another Class-E amp and fly that
[03:01] <W0OTM> E
[03:01] <Darkside> :D
[03:01] <Darkside> awesome
[03:01] <W0OTM> http://www.wa0itp.com/ns40.html
[03:01] <W0OTM> its a QRP kit
[03:01] <Darkside> yeeeeep IRF510..
[03:01] <Darkside> thought so
[03:01] <W0OTM> NS stands for None Simpler, so this is the None Simpler 40 Meter Transmiter.
[03:01] <Darkside> so that was doign morse?
[03:02] <Darkside> or RTTY
[03:02] <W0OTM> CW
[03:02] <Darkside> ahh ok
[03:02] <Darkside> i do have a working 2W output RTTY transmitter lying around the place
[03:02] <Darkside> still need to get it flyable
[03:02] <W0OTM> awesome
[03:03] <W0OTM> I want to fly this 40m again at night when prop is good
[03:03] <Darkside> oh god where is his output filters
[03:04] <Darkside> i'd love to put that on a spectrum analyzer
[03:04] <Darkside> it does say harmonic rejection of -50 dB tho
[03:04] <W0OTM> its a really nice little radio
[03:04] <Darkside> i guess when you have it feeding into an anatenna tuned for 40m it shouldn't be a big problem
[03:04] <W0OTM> I mean xmtr
[03:04] <Darkside> yeah, looks it
[03:05] <Darkside> i still need to make a little class E RTTY transmitter
[03:06] <Darkside> i want to use an AD9834 DDS, with a little buffer stage to drive an IRF510
[03:06] <Darkside> or i could just make an amplifier from paralleled 2N7000
[03:07] <W0OTM> exactly
[03:07] <Darkside> thats what i did last time
[03:09] <Darkside> bah, cant find the pictures of it
[03:11] <Darkside> just took one
[03:13] <Darkside> W0OTM: http://i.imgur.com/Ih3Lj.jpg
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[03:14] <W0OTM> oh yeah, cool
[03:14] <Darkside> schmitt trigger buffer stage, then the 2n7000 amp
[03:15] <Darkside> i need to find some decent 'new' FETs with low input capacitances
[03:15] <Darkside> apparently they exist
[03:15] <Darkside> a nice high power FET with, say, a 20pF input capacitance would be useful
[03:15] <Darkside> unlike the IRF510, which has a 150pF input capacitance
[03:17] <Darkside> anyway, gotta head off, back later
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[06:34] <jcoxon> morning all
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[06:35] <daveake> morning
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[06:35] <number10> morning
[06:49] <jcoxon> hey guys
[06:49] <jcoxon> managed to lose part of my payload out the window yesterday
[06:49] <jcoxon> left it on the windowsill
[06:49] <jcoxon> and it wasn't there when i got back
[06:49] <jcoxon> must of blown off
[06:49] <daveake> :(
[06:49] <jcoxon> and now has disappeared :-(
[06:50] <UpuWork> was it on ?
[06:50] <jcoxon> it was my solar/lipo charger circuit
[06:50] <UpuWork> ah ok
[06:50] <daveake> I assume the "part" didn't have the GPS/computer/transmitter? ;)
[06:50] <UpuWork> how odd
[06:50] <daveake> Stolen by a bird?
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[06:50] <jcoxon> nah i reckon it blew off (2nd floor)
[06:50] <jcoxon> and someone would have found it on the ground
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[06:51] <daveake> Spent a good part of yesterday evening trying to find the little adapter cable between the Lassen and SMA for an external antenna. Gave up in the end and ordered another.
[06:52] <daveake> No doubt I'l stumble across it today
[06:52] <costyn> morning
[06:52] <jcoxon> UpuWork, i might move the schedule around a bit for the conference
[06:53] <UpuWork> yeah fine we need to get dan K4VOL's presentation over
[06:53] <jcoxon> the reason is that we are having 'discussions' twice
[06:53] <UpuWork> ok
[06:53] <jcoxon> in the morning - formalising HAB
[06:53] <jcoxon> and UKHAS
[06:53] <jcoxon> and then in the afternoon as well
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[08:04] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS conference"
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[08:37] <UpuWork> just got Ava back
[08:37] <jcoxon> hooray
[08:37] <UpuWork> looks like video was recording all the way down
[08:37] <daveake> :D
[08:37] <WillDuckworth> oooh
[08:37] <UpuWork> and in the sea for 2 hours after landing
[08:37] <WillDuckworth> splash down!
[08:38] <daveake> Indeed!
[08:38] <UpuWork> just backing up video will have a look shortly
[08:38] <UpuWork> pongs a bit :)
[08:38] <daveake> lol
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[08:41] <UpuWork> video is epic so smooth
[08:42] <UpuWork> camera has moved so slightly obscured
[08:44] <daveake> Splashsown should be fun
[08:44] <daveake> d
[08:45] <UpuWork> it went under water!
[08:45] <natrium42> :D
[08:45] <daveake> :)
[08:45] <UpuWork> and came back up
[08:45] <jcoxon> UpuWork, youtube...
[08:45] <daveake> Told you it'd be good :)
[08:45] <WillDuckworth> stop watchin - start uploading :D
[08:46] <daveake> LOL
[08:46] <costyn> haha cool... yea I wanna watch the splashdown too
[08:46] <natrium42> so it is feature length video?
[08:48] <UpuWork> annoyingly the camera seemed to have moved at launch and obscured 1/4 of the field of view
[08:48] <UpuWork> moved back on bust
[08:50] <natrium42> going to do a second take?
[08:50] <natrium42> :D
[08:50] <UpuWork> hell yeah
[08:51] <daveake> Maybe there'll be a spate of "deliberate sea landings" instead of altitude record attempts :)
[08:51] <UpuWork> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/vlcsnap2011100409h50m00.png/
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[08:52] <jcoxon> UpuWork, thats not a video!
[08:52] <daveake> UpuWork, get a move on ;)
[08:53] <UpuWork> i don't have video editing software here
[08:53] <costyn> i wanna see the underwater bit :)
[08:53] <jcoxon> UpuWork, what OS?
[08:54] <UpuWork> Just getting it jcoxon... :)
[08:54] <UpuWork> also booting linux so I can get at the second partition on the SD card
[08:54] <UpuWork> silly windows
[08:54] <UpuWork> god it stiinks just going to have to put the payload outside brb
[08:55] <costyn> haha
[08:57] <UpuWork> ok downloading Windows Movie maker
[08:57] <UpuWork> pictures copy across to a hard drive
[09:02] <UpuWork> ok publishing to Youtube...
[09:04] <UpuWork> went out of my way to avoid getting the picture obscured
[09:04] <UpuWork> meh
[09:06] <WillDuckworth> don't worry
[09:09] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbykWjsQrI&feature=youtube_gdata
[09:09] <costyn> UpuWork: very cool
[09:10] <daveake> glug glug glug ... luvvit :)
[09:10] <costyn> whats the weird humming noise?
[09:11] <costyn> or is that the camera mic that doesn't like being submerged
[09:12] <UpuWork> I suspect the mike being dunked :)
[09:12] <costyn> what camera was it? one of those tiny thumb thingies?
[09:12] <UpuWork> AEE-MD91
[09:13] <jcoxon> UpuWork, can i tweet it?
[09:13] <costyn> ah ok cool
[09:13] <UpuWork> sure
[09:13] <UpuWork> jsut uploading the burst
[09:13] <daveake> Linked to my FB group for my hab-ing:)
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[09:18] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8cOzkUeso4&feature=youtube_gdata
[09:18] <UpuWork> burst
[09:19] <UpuWork> note annoying obscured bit
[09:20] <UpuWork> can see the remains of the balloon
[09:20] <UpuWork> someone got his string lengths wrong....
[09:21] <WillDuckworth> epic - good vid
[09:21] <jcoxon> UpuWork, pah no one has proved that...
[09:22] <UpuWork> So apart from the tracker not working, the camera being obscured, landing in the sea and the stings being the wrong way round a fairly sucessful launch
[09:22] <costyn> woa... beautiful
[09:22] <x-f> so nice, it's so peacefull up there
[09:22] <daveake> LOL
[09:22] <UpuWork> loads of pictures of the other payload in the water
[09:22] <costyn> UpuWork: well at least lots of stuff learned for next time right? :)
[09:23] <daveake> But you did get it back :)
[09:23] <UpuWork> yeah
[09:23] <daveake> costyn indeed ... always things to learn
[09:23] <UpuWork> was either misty of the lense on the camera steamed up in the water
[09:24] <costyn> and for beginners like me doubly so :)
[09:24] <UpuWork> 2 things :
[09:24] <UpuWork> 1/ If it moves it will. And break probably.
[09:24] <UpuWork> 2/ Don't ignore what the equipment is telling you and think you know better
[09:24] <costyn> good to remember :)
[09:25] <costyn> i mean know :)
[09:25] <UpuWork> No2. is Cherynobl syndrome
[09:28] <Hibby> Chernobyl syndrome?
[09:28] <Hibby> aha
[09:28] <Hibby> right
[09:28] <Hibby> i see
[09:28] Action: Hibby reads up
[09:28] <UpuWork> :)
[09:32] <nosebleedKT> Hello all
[09:33] <number10> nice moview UpuWork
[09:33] <number10> movies
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[09:35] <nosebleedKT> yeah fun
[09:36] <UpuWork> cheers number10
[09:38] <nosebleedKT> is there any video at the moment that payload lands on water ? :)
[09:38] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbykWjsQrI&feature=youtube_gdata
[09:41] <nosebleedKT> oooooooooh
[09:41] <nosebleedKT> LOL
[09:41] <nosebleedKT> best land ever!
[09:42] <nosebleedKT> water looks cold !
[09:46] <UpuWork> looks wet :/
[09:47] <Laurenceb> looks dry to me
[09:50] <number10> what was wrong with string lengths?
[09:50] <UpuWork> I got them the wrong way round
[09:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] AVA Burst & Splashdown Videos"
[09:50] <UpuWork> the remains of the balloon should dangle some where between the chute and the payload
[09:51] <UpuWork> to avoid tangling
[09:51] <UpuWork> jcoxon see mail
[09:53] <Darkside> oh wow
[09:53] <Darkside> burst video
[09:53] <Darkside> that so needs to be in HF
[09:53] <Darkside> HD*
[09:53] <UpuWork> well if you want to pay for a GoPro :)
[09:53] <Darkside> :P
[09:53] <Darkside> we already have gopros thanks :P:P
[09:54] <Darkside> and we've got 4 launches coming up...
[09:54] <Darkside> so lots of chances to get good video
[09:54] <UpuWork> yup
[09:54] <UpuWork> I was happy with that
[09:54] <UpuWork> for a £50 E-bay cam
[09:54] <Darkside> oh yeah, it worked well :P
[09:55] <Darkside> we're hoping to get a complete launch to landing video without anything obscuring the frame..
[09:55] <daveake> I used a Kodak Zx1, which you can get for around £20-£25 on ebay. HD.
[09:55] <Darkside> all our previous videos have either cut out before landing, or had stuff in front of the camera
[09:55] <Darkside> i.e. penguins, statues, etc
[09:56] <daveake> Mine cut out on landing, but otherwise was complete
[09:57] <UpuWork> the packing can't have been in properly as I spent lots of time ensuring the view wasn't obscured
[09:57] <UpuWork> another fail
[09:58] <costyn> I'm going to send along my 808 #11 HD keychain cam; footage is suprisingly good for such a small camera, although doesn't compare to GoPro
[09:58] <UpuWork> when I have a tracker I know works
[09:58] <UpuWork> I'll buy a GoPro
[09:58] <Darkside> UpuWork: heh
[09:59] <UpuWork> I mailed that company Alpha Componets
[10:00] <UpuWork> Alpha Micro
[10:00] <UpuWork> LEA-6M-0 yours ?
[10:00] <Darkside> no
[10:00] <Darkside> NEO-6Q
[10:00] <Darkside> and i'm running out :(
[10:00] <Darkside> after i do these orders for people i'm going to have hardly any left
[10:01] <Darkside> but i've finished all the micronut PCbs
[10:01] <Darkside> so i shouldn't need any more for a while
[10:01] <UpuWork> unless you dunk them in the sea :)
[10:01] <Darkside> or have them float across the country
[10:01] <Darkside> yeah..
[10:02] <UpuWork> yup
[10:03] <Darkside> hmm i might go to bed early tonight
[10:04] <Darkside> (8:30pm here)
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: It can't be lens distortion leading to a constant curve if it passes through the centre of the lens
[10:06] <Hibby> Darkside: you so crazy
[10:06] <Darkside> wha
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[10:12] <nosebleedKT> SpeedEvil
[10:12] <nosebleedKT> is it bad to place vias directly on smd pads
[10:12] <nosebleedKT> ?
[10:12] <Darkside> don't do it if you can help it
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> It can lead to the solder wicking through the hole, which can be bad
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[10:13] <Darkside> sometimes it helps, for things like heatsinking
[10:13] <Darkside> for example on teh heatsink pad on a linear regulator
[10:13] <Laurenceb> Darkside: you're on hackaday XD
[10:13] <Darkside> you may want to drop a few vias through to the ground plane on the pad (if the heatsink is ground)
[10:13] <Darkside> Laurenceb: yeah..
[10:13] <Darkside> they fucked up the code!
[10:13] <Darkside> :P
[10:14] <Laurenceb> lol
[10:14] <Darkside> then again i just copied that from the original site
[10:14] <nosebleedKT> http://imagebin.org/177339
[10:15] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: fill everything on the PCB that isn't used with a ground plane
[10:15] <Darkside> and drop vias through to the other side to link them
[10:15] <nosebleedKT> im trying to move all the gnd to the back of the board where ground plane lies
[10:15] <Darkside> yes, put a pour on the top layer too
[10:15] <nosebleedKT> w00t ?
[10:16] <nosebleedKT> you are the first to advice me that !
[10:16] <Darkside> i usually have ground planes on both layers on my pcbs
[10:16] <nosebleedKT> I need confirmation from SpeedEvil and others on that !
[10:16] <Darkside> and i link them with vias
[10:16] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: well lets put it this way, it works on all of my PCBs
[10:17] <Darkside> i drop ground vias wherever required to avoid ground loops
[10:17] <Darkside> also what pcb program is that?
[10:19] <nosebleedKT> diptrace
[10:19] <nosebleedKT> windowz :p
[10:19] <Darkside> windows is fine
[10:19] <Darkside> i use altium deisgner
[10:19] <Darkside> designer*
[10:19] <nosebleedKT> but it got 3D now
[10:19] <nosebleedKT> and its cooler
[10:19] <Hibby> hey, if you feel it's the best tool for the job, Windows is perfect.
[10:19] <Darkside> hold on, will get a screenshot of the micronut pcb
[10:19] <Darkside> so you can see how i've dropped the vias
[10:22] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/a/G7yi4
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[10:22] <nosebleedKT> but SMD is taking all the front side
[10:22] <Darkside> eh?
[10:23] <nosebleedKT> i speak in general
[10:23] <nosebleedKT> not for your pic
[10:23] <nosebleedKT> SMD grounds is weird. Because SMD GND stays always on top and we need ground for the back
[10:23] <nosebleedKT> got me?
[10:23] <Darkside> uhh
[10:24] <Darkside> this is why i fill all empty areas on the board, both top and bottom with ground
[10:24] <Darkside> and link them with vias
[10:24] <Hibby> it turns out I've forgotten how to Matlab simple things
[10:24] <Hibby> I'm going to struggle.
[10:24] <Darkside> Hibby: i'm re-learning matlab too..
[10:25] <nosebleedKT> if i fill the front with solid ground plane i believe something bad is going to happen
[10:25] <Hibby> I can hardly remember how to model an RC circuit (although finally got my head round that) and now onto the two capacitor paradox :/
[10:25] <Hibby> simulink :(
[10:25] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: why?
[10:25] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: dunno ?
[10:25] <Darkside> it doesn't cause any issues
[10:25] <Darkside> except maybe with RF traces, but you can see how i've got a bit of clearance around the RF trace (bottom left of the PCB, where the SMA connector is)
[10:27] <nosebleedKT> clearance is good here too. 0.8mm
[10:27] <costyn> interesting... YouTube has their own browser-based video editor now
[10:27] <costyn> http://www.youtube.com/editor
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[10:28] <Hibby> costyn: was playing with it the other day... it's ok, somewhat limited
[10:28] <Hibby> KDENLive is still better ;)
[10:29] <costyn> Hibby: looks interesting, hadn't seen it before
[10:29] <costyn> Hibby: but for casual/simple video's the youtube thing looks good; wonder if you can download the final result in a good quality for putting on your ipad
[10:29] <Darkside> i wonder if i could route a microSD connector onto the micronut pcb...
[10:30] <Darkside> microSD reader/socket i mean
[10:30] <jcoxon> got to stop watching youtube videos
[10:30] <jcoxon> have to go out
[10:30] <jcoxon> must leave
[10:30] <jcoxon> can't turn away
[10:30] <Laurenceb> lol
[10:30] <Laurenceb> can't give it up?
[10:30] <Darkside> nosebleedKT: if you're going to go with a SMD crystal, then use one of the abracon ABM7 models
[10:31] <Hibby> even with out non-internet connection, I've been watching youtube
[10:31] <Hibby> my mobile data allowance has taken a battering
[10:31] <Darkside> then you'll be able to rotate the crustal by 90 degrees and not have different length tracks
[10:31] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, its that thing where you keep clinking on links to another video
[10:31] <Laurenceb> jcoxons watching youtube, hes never gonna give it up never gonna ...
[10:31] <Darkside> i love it in the html5 youtube
[10:31] <jcoxon> aaargghhh
[10:32] <Darkside> where you right click and try and save the video
[10:32] <Darkside> and it rickrolls you
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[10:32] <Hibby> lolol
[10:32] <Hibby> trolled
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[10:36] <jcoxon> okay i've torn free
[10:36] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:17] <nosebleedKT> cool, the board looks lot cleared
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[11:20] <Darkside> juxta|console: ?
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[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[12:05] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: ping
[12:05] <Laurenceb> bah away
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[12:34] <daveake> Arrrggghh. Stupid damn Microchip CAN Bus analyser. Turns out it can't deal with lots of consecutive packets. So I ended up wastnig hours trying to find a bug in my transmitter code when all along that was working correctly.
[12:35] <fsphil> cracking videos Upu
[12:35] <daveake> yep
[12:35] <fsphil> it really was a very long way up
[12:36] <daveake> It did look ut.
[12:36] <daveake> it
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[13:24] <W0OTM> JUST uploaded : iHAB-7 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvdi8QoJNoc
[13:25] <nosebleedKT> Darkside: of i fill the front with copper it looks sci-fi :)
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[13:31] <Dan-K2VOL> W0OTM watched your ustream
[13:31] <W0OTM> cool
[13:31] <Dan-K2VOL> what was the place you were launching from, looked like a fairground
[13:31] <W0OTM> Yes
[13:33] <Dan-K2VOL> good pomp and circumstance for the crowd
[13:34] <Dan-K2VOL> nice calm winds you had, looked like it couldn't have been better weather
[13:34] <W0OTM> it was PERFECT
[13:34] <W0OTM> textbook
[13:35] <Dan-K2VOL> did you get the web tracking link fixed?
[13:36] <W0OTM> on the website?
[13:36] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, when I clicked on the balloon telemetry link in the right sidebar it was abroken aprs.fi link
[13:36] <W0OTM> I will look into that before the next flight
[13:36] <Dan-K2VOL> but was able to just search your callsign
[13:37] <W0OTM> yeah, I say the 404 error
[13:37] <W0OTM> saw*
[13:37] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[13:43] <UpuWork> cheers fsphil I liked the splash down :)
[13:45] <UpuWork> what camwera was it W0OTM ?
[13:45] <W0OTM> GoPro HD
[13:45] <UpuWork> Going to get one
[13:45] <UpuWork> :)
[13:45] <UpuWork> did you see my spash down ?
[13:45] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_Payload1_4.jpg
[13:45] <W0OTM> Yes, the photos
[13:46] <UpuWork> www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbykWjsQrI
[13:46] <UpuWork> video :)
[13:46] <Dan-K2VOL> wish those gopros were about 80% lighter
[13:46] <Dan-K2VOL> I can't spare the weight on the transatlantic for one, but I need a video cam
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[13:47] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: maybe you should 'enlighten' them like Upu did with his Canon
[13:47] <UpuWork> Burst is here : http://www.youtube.com/user/upuaut1972#p/a/u/0/s8cOzkUeso4
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> they're awfully nict
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone strip a go-pro down before?
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> good idea costyn
[13:47] <UpuWork> bit expensive :)
[13:47] <WillDuckworth> UpuWork, did your MD cam take the vid all in one go?
[13:47] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: :) ; and no i haven't stripped one before
[13:47] <WillDuckworth> or several files?
[13:47] <UpuWork> WillDuckworth seperate files
[13:48] <UpuWork> about 800Mb each
[13:48] <UpuWork> filled the card
[13:48] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: maybe take a look at these tiny HD camera's: http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C11/index.html
[13:48] <UpuWork> 8Gb
[13:49] <Dan-K2VOL> that keychain cam can go take a long walk off a short pier
[13:49] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: quality is ok, GoPro is better of course, but if you're looking for very light pretty good video
[13:49] <costyn> hah ok
[13:49] <costyn> failed on you before then?
[13:49] <Dan-K2VOL> we spent weeks trying to get it to respond to microcontroller control
[13:49] <costyn> meh
[13:49] <W0OTM> UpuWork: awesome! what alt
[13:49] <W0OTM> ?
[13:50] <UpuWork> we don't know GPS antenna seems to have broken just after take off
[13:50] <Dan-K2VOL> it's got a horrible user interface that relies on reading flashes of the LED and holding the button down at just the right time (which isn't a constant, reliable time every time)
[13:50] <UpuWork> but ~36km
[13:50] <W0OTM> UpuWork: I didnt get a single frame with my shredded balloon
[13:50] <UpuWork> it floated and landed 5 miles off the coast
[13:50] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: agreed, the UI is terrible
[13:50] <UpuWork> more images to come the second payload had 3 cameras on it, one was a 360'
[13:51] <Dan-K2VOL> I'd use it if we could control it. I think someone's going to take another try at it again. It also tends to freeze up after a few hours of attempted automation and need a power reset
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[13:52] <Dan-K2VOL> so we need to be able to cut its power :-/
[13:52] <Dan-K2VOL> we'll see
[13:52] <W0OTM> UpuWork: did you use the 808 #11?
[13:52] <UpuWork> No
[13:52] <UpuWork> this one : http://www.aee.com/en/productshow.asp?sendid=52
[13:52] <UpuWork> but it wasn't in the water proof housing
[13:53] <UpuWork> however with an 8Gb card and external Energizers got 6 hours out of it
[13:54] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: hmm so does it freeze up even when using external power?
[13:54] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah it was all using external power
[13:55] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: and just recording?
[13:55] <Dan-K2VOL> no, we power it up and then start recording, and a while later stop recording and power it down, via the user interfaace
[13:55] <Dan-K2VOL> can't afford the ridiculous 200ma recording power draw for long
[13:57] <costyn> ok
[13:57] <costyn> well should be ok for a just a few hours of recording right? or should I just leave it on the ground?
[13:57] <Dan-K2VOL> in a 3-day long flight anyway
[13:57] <Dan-K2VOL> oh it'll probably be fine for a few hours on its own
[13:58] <Dan-K2VOL> but the battery doesn't last more than a couple
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[13:58] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: ok, I've got the external USB battery thingy so in theory it should last 4 hours
[13:58] <costyn> and a 8gb microsd
[13:59] <Dan-K2VOL> cool, just try it and see sitting on your desk
[13:59] <costyn> yea certainly wil
[14:01] <Dan-K2VOL> where are you based costyn
[14:02] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: NL
[14:02] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: still figuring out everything to go and do a first launch with some friends; i'm the electronics guy on the team, so I've got my work cut out for me
[14:03] <costyn> have the microcontroller, gps and baro and temp bits ; the seeedstudio stalker is still being difficult though; some reason it doesn't want to talk to the arduino IDE through my FDTI basic
[14:04] <costyn> have another pro mini which I'll hook up to the fdti tonight and see if it's the stalker or the fdti which is being silly
[14:04] <Dan-K2VOL> cool costyn
[14:04] <Dan-K2VOL> good plan
[14:05] <costyn> I liked that about the Uno which was my first Arduino, it just worked. this fiddling with the serial interface is annoying
[14:05] <costyn> plus there are very few actual schematics which show which pin does what on the serial interface of the stalker. really only 3rd party websites which have figured it out for themselves
[14:06] <costyn> and then there are 3 versions of the stalker; stalker v1 with the 168, stalker v1 with the 328 and stalker v2 with the 328
[14:06] <costyn> driving me nuts </end rant>
[14:06] <daveake> What happens when you try to program it from the FTDI?
[14:06] <costyn> daveake: I just get the avrdude message which basically indicates that the programmer is not responding
[14:07] <daveake> Someone having trouble here - http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=7002.0
[14:07] <daveake> last post
[14:07] <costyn> daveake: yup, exact same thing; I've tried all the suggestions I've found so far
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[14:08] <costyn> reset just before upload
[14:08] <daveake> Seeedstudio say: "In both version "UartSBee V3.1" must be brought seperately and used for program downloading using Arduino IDE. A connector to mate to UartSBee is present on both versions. Microcontroller reset will automatically be controlled by DTR."
[14:08] <costyn> I haven't tried uploading a new bootloader yet, not sure which one I need yet
[14:08] <Dan-K2VOL> make sure you have the correct board selected in arduino ide
[14:08] <daveake> But you should be fine with FTDI so long as DTR is connected
[14:09] <costyn> daveake: yea I didn't get the UartSBee because I figured the much cheaper FTDI basic would work ok since the stalker also has regular pins for the serial interface
[14:10] <costyn> and yes, DTR seems to work. When I upload, I see the LEDs blink in a fashion that seems to indicate a reboot of the microcontroller
[14:10] <Dan-K2VOL> by the way the FTDI friend is a great FTDI cable - allows you to switch between 5v and 5v power, 5v and 3v logic, DTR or CTS connected or not
[14:10] <costyn> so it seems something is off with my rx/tx, which I've tried switching around
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[14:10] <Dan-K2VOL> costyn make sure you don't have too many usb devices running at once too
[14:11] <daveake> Is the FTDI set to 5V (assuming that's what the Seeeeeeeeduino needs)
[14:11] <Dan-K2VOL> I found that i couldn't run more than 5 USB serial adapters on one USB bus AND sucessfully program an arduino at the same time
[14:11] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: good to know. it was the only one connected to my macbook when I was testing it; and yes, the FTDI comes default at 5v, like the FTDI friend
[14:11] <costyn> heh... 5 serial adapters :)
[14:12] <Dan-K2VOL> too many boards in SpeedBall :-/
[14:12] <Dan-K2VOL> we eventually moved to having each module print debug info over I2C to a ground controller I2C terminal
[14:13] <daveake> Project I'm working on has 4 PIC boards. I wasted 5 minutes earlier programming the wrong one and wondering WTF was going on ...
[14:14] <costyn> I have a lot to learn still :)
[14:16] <Dan-K2VOL> enjoy that part, it's half the fun
[14:18] <UpuWork> 50 mins decent 1.6kg payload 6 foot chute
[14:19] <UpuWork> what was the original height ? :)
[14:19] <daveake> Leaving it as an exercise for the reader?
[14:23] <UpuWork> yes :)
[14:23] <daveake> I could work it out for you ....
[14:23] <UpuWork> Steve said decent rate should have been about 3.2m/s
[14:23] <UpuWork> but thats at ground level
[14:23] <daveake> .... if I had a brain ... :)
[14:23] <UpuWork> and I don't know how you work it back
[14:23] <UpuWork> haha you and me lol
[14:24] <Dan-K2VOL> could you while away the hourse, daveake
[14:24] <Dan-K2VOL> *hours
[14:24] <Dan-K2VOL> conversing with the flowers?
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[14:25] <daveake> "Oh, I could tell you why"
[14:25] <daveake> "The ocean's near the shore"
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[14:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Some balloons would like to know I'm sure, recently
[14:26] <daveake> exactly :)
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[14:45] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: did you listen to the live streaming audio during the launch?
[14:45] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: (my launch)
[14:46] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: OR did you happen to hear the 40M beacon?
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[14:51] <daveake> Afternoon James
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[15:01] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] UKHAS conference"
[15:02] <Dan-K2VOL> w0OTM I did hear the morse audio
[15:02] <Dan-K2VOL> over stream
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[15:05] <W0OTM> ok
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[15:11] <Upu> Payment for Conference peeps go pay :)
[15:11] <daveake> Done :)
[15:14] <daveake> Ah, found my answer ... wanted to know how to listen to the data stream in dl-fldigi from another program. Port 7322 is the baby :)
[15:15] <jcoxon> xmlrpc
[15:15] <jcoxon> ?
[15:15] <costyn> daveake: how is it encoded?
[15:15] <daveake> It's the raw data
[15:15] <costyn> raw audio then?
[15:15] <jcoxon> oh ARQ
[15:16] <daveake> No, ASCII data -- it's the telemetry stream
[15:16] <Laurenceb> raw decoded data
[15:16] <costyn> ah ok, so not really that raw :)
[15:16] <daveake> Sorry, not the audio!
[15:16] <daveake> Not that raw :)
[15:18] <daveake> I've installed dl-fldigi on my car PC. I just want to be able to display basic stuff in a large font -- altitude, maybe a bearing from the chase car's direction.
[15:19] <jcoxon> daveake, ooo cool
[15:19] <daveake> The only sensible place for the screen is down at the bottom of the console, so I was thinking of making a little graphic LCD thing to stick on the dash. Or send the data to my Android.
[15:20] <costyn> daveake: sounds useful; are you going to be the only one in your chase car?
[15:20] <jcoxon> daveake, you seen my php interface for dl-fldigi?
[15:20] <daveake> costyn - hopefully not! But yes I want to make the setup easy to use when solo.
[15:21] <daveake> jcoon - no .........
[15:21] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi/index.html
[15:21] <jcoxon> though the radio is currently off
[15:21] <jcoxon> i'l turn it on for you
[15:22] <daveake> Ooer, clever
[15:23] <daveake> How is it doing the screen grab of the waterfall?
[15:23] <jcoxon> thats actually built into dl-fldigi
[15:24] <daveake> ah
[15:24] <jcoxon> its in the config section
[15:24] <jcoxon> the waterfall is actually clickable
[15:24] <daveake> Yes, I noticed :)
[15:24] <daveake> I clicked :)
[15:30] <jcoxon> and you can tune at hte bottom
[15:31] <jcoxon> currently on 7.010Mhz
[15:31] <jcoxon> so have some 40m CW coming through
[15:32] <daveake> Yes, I saw the dl-fldigi "rig" stuff.
[15:33] <daveake> I'm impressed :)
[15:33] <jcoxon> well it helps that I've worked on the backend of dl-fldigi
[15:33] <jcoxon> so was able to add the commands
[15:33] <daveake> Yes, that helps :)
[15:35] <daveake> So, I'm building this little program and I need to choose the altitude scale ... will 40km be enough I wonder .... :)
[15:35] <jcoxon> that what we thought...
[15:35] <daveake> It certainly needs to go all the way down to sea level :p
[15:35] <jcoxon> on spacenear.us and had to increase it
[15:35] <daveake> 42km then
[15:37] <Upu> Would you get any higher with Hydrogen in the same balloon vs Helium ?
[15:37] <jcoxon> yes
[15:38] <Upu> I think you need to adjust Spacenear.us alititude graph :)
[15:38] <jcoxon> nah
[15:38] <fsphil> 0-45 is a pretty safe range I'd say :)
[15:39] <Upu> Suppose 50k won't look right
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[15:39] <DrLuke> Hello
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[15:40] <jcoxon> ooo some nice rtty on 40m
[15:40] <fsphil> contest?
[15:40] <DrLuke> I am planning on launchin a HAB soon, and wondered, what I would use for communicating the location of the Payload after it landed. I heard a GSM-module or phone would be the best, if so, which one would you suggest me?
[15:40] <fsphil> ther seem to be lots of rtty contests lately
[15:41] <jcoxon> DrLuke, depends where you are?
[15:41] <DrLuke> jcoxon: germany
[15:42] <Dan-K2VOL> GSM might be best for having extra money and not really worrying about getting it back or tracking it while it's in the air
[15:42] <jcoxon> DrLuke, have you had a chat with lunar_lander
[15:42] <DrLuke> Well, I don't want to track it in the air, I just need to know it's final location
[15:42] <DrLuke> jcoxon: no
[15:42] <costyn> DrLuke: there are dedicated GPS trackers that will send their location if you call them or send them an SMS
[15:42] <jcoxon> he comes on here most days - he is working on a balloon flight in germany
[15:43] <DrLuke> ah cool
[15:43] <DrLuke> costyn: I need this as cheap as possible (of course), as I am a poor student :P
[15:43] <costyn> DrLuke: I understand. :) http://www.dealextreme.com/p/handheld-portable-mini-gsm-gprs-gps-vehicle-tracker-black-72133
[15:43] <jcoxon> DrLuke, how technical are you?
[15:43] <DrLuke> jcoxon: well, microcontrollers are no problem
[15:43] <Dan-K2VOL> If you have less money, and more time, then doing the typical UKHAS NTX2 radio system is better
[15:43] <costyn> DrLuke: dealextreme does free shipping which is nice
[15:44] <Dan-K2VOL> the NTX-2 will allow you to track it through the full in-air phase
[15:44] <Dan-K2VOL> but likely not on the ground
[15:44] <costyn> Dan-K2VOL: well if you get all the parts the GPS/microcontroller/NTX system is kinda expensive if you ask me :)
[15:44] <costyn> especially the GPS
[15:44] <DrLuke> Yeah, it doesn't really matter in the air, but on the ground
[15:44] <jcoxon> DrLuke, then its not difficult to interface a micro with an old GSM phone
[15:44] <Dan-K2VOL> best to go with GSM or FindMeSpot, and also an NTX2
[15:45] <DrLuke> jcoxon: I heard about that, but I can't find any suiting phone for that. Got any names?
[15:45] <costyn> DrLuke: check this page: http://www.timzaman.nl/?p=1886
[15:45] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:gsm_modules
[15:45] <costyn> DrLuke: Sony Ericsson T68i is what Tim used in one of his payloads
[15:46] <DrLuke> thanks!
[15:46] <DrLuke> I think I'll go with a phone then
[15:46] <DrLuke> easiest and cheapest way
[15:47] <jcoxon> that said i personally think that radio tracking through the flight is the best option
[15:47] <jcoxon> recovery with gsm after landing is risky
[15:47] <DrLuke> Well, that will come on the second flight
[15:47] <DrLuke> oh?
[15:47] <Upu> Very risky...
[15:47] <DrLuke> how so
[15:47] <DrLuke> is is possible there is no reception?
[15:47] <jcoxon> well you'l have a blackout of comms for 2hrs
[15:47] <Upu> if you land in a no signal area
[15:47] <jcoxon> who knows where it is
[15:47] <costyn> you guys keep saying that, but recently we've seen the GPS/GSM systems save the day :)
[15:47] <DrLuke> well, germany is pretty well covered
[15:47] <Upu> device might not handle the cold
[15:48] <jcoxon> costyn, oh as a backup sure
[15:48] <Upu> however yes the one on mine was a life save but we had no idea where it was until it got below 1km
[15:48] <DrLuke> well see? it can already send it's first position as soon as it has reception, in the air
[15:48] <Dan-K2VOL> costyn what saves the day is backup trackers :-)
[15:48] <Upu> Radio tracker is probably cheaper and as long as you don't break your GPS antenna when assembling your payload you'll get continous location data
[15:49] <DrLuke> so even if it falls into some deep gap without reception, I will atleast have a rough estimate
[15:49] <jcoxon> DrLuke, have a chat with lunar_lander sometime
[15:49] <jcoxon> he'll be super helpful
[15:49] <Dan-K2VOL> DrLuke have you seen the FindMeSpot? pretty much a self-contained waterproof satellite tracker for $150 USD
[15:49] <DrLuke> I will sure have, thanks
[15:50] <DrLuke> dan: that's way over my budget
[15:50] <costyn> DrLuke: some GPSes have trouble getting a fix after coming down from 30KM, so it might take longer for the GPS fix and the payload will hit the ground first
[15:50] <Dan-K2VOL> ah well, if that's way over, you're going to be really tight to get a GPS alone
[15:50] <DrLuke> I got a module for 20 bucks
[15:50] <Dan-K2VOL> standalone GPS modules are usually $70 USD
[15:50] <DrLuke> it works fine
[15:50] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, lassenIQ!
[15:50] <Dan-K2VOL> nice find
[15:50] <jcoxon> cheap as chips
[15:50] <costyn> DrLuke: which module?
[15:51] <Dan-K2VOL> Zuph prefers to get the high end modules I do believe ;-)
[15:51] <DrLuke> http://www.perthold.de/BINARY/gps-st22.pdf
[15:51] <DrLuke> cold start: 29 secs
[15:52] <jcoxon> altitude - up to 18km
[15:52] <DrLuke> but I can't get a fix within my house
[15:52] <DrLuke> jcoxon: isn't that normal?
[15:52] <costyn> DrLuke: that's normal yes
[15:52] <jcoxon> well most gps modules do that
[15:52] <jcoxon> but its a shame as you'll go higher the 18km
[15:52] <DrLuke> I heard some go higher though
[15:52] <DrLuke> yeah
[15:52] <costyn> DrLuke: only a few newer ones can figure out the multipath fading and faint signals to get some sort of a fix
[15:52] <jcoxon> so you won't get data above
[15:53] <DrLuke> oh well, it's only the first balloon in what is expected to be a series
[15:53] <jcoxon> DrLuke, check out ublox modules or lassen IQs
[15:53] <jcoxon> they'll work
[15:53] <DrLuke> but $$$
[15:53] <DrLuke> :)
[15:53] <jcoxon> fair enough
[15:53] <jcoxon> falcom.de
[15:54] <jcoxon> they used to make nice gps modules
[15:54] <jcoxon> though looking at their website that isn't true now
[15:54] <jcoxon> hmm
[15:55] <UpuWork> yeah the ublox 5 modules seem to be EoL
[15:55] <UpuWork> and the ublox 6 ones don't seem to be readily availble
[15:55] Action: jcoxon would like a ublox 6 module
[15:55] <Dan-K2VOL> I preordered a Delorme InReach, can't wait to hack into it
[15:55] <UpuWork> I'm speaking to a company about it how many would you want ?
[15:55] <jcoxon> 5 max
[15:56] <jcoxon> the lower power consumption is impressive
[15:56] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/X5tNW.jpg
[15:56] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone see Natrium42 's FindMeSpot tutorial got on hackaday this weekend?
[15:56] <costyn> jcoxon: did you "express interest" on Darkside's ublox6 breakouts? or is that not what you want?
[15:56] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, yeah i saw that
[15:57] <jcoxon> costyn, by the time i knew about it i think too many had expressed interest on his breakouts
[15:57] <costyn> jcoxon: ok :)
[15:57] <UpuWork> just speaking to disty now
[15:58] <Dan-K2VOL> funny it got on like 3 years after being written
[15:58] <jcoxon> well it wasn't public for a long time
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[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL> oh that's interesting, I didn't realize that
[16:00] <jcoxon> yeah it was a bit hush hush
[16:00] <jcoxon> due to the nature of the mis -use of the service
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh gotcha
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> did they ever terminate him or detect anything?
[16:00] <jcoxon> no nothing
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[16:00] <jcoxon> i suspect in the scale of things they didn't notice
[16:00] <jcoxon> i had no problems either
[16:01] <jcoxon> with my variation
[16:01] <number10> ah thats a sham I just logged in and something was hush hush - but didn't get the start of the thread ;)
[16:01] <DrLuke> so, the way to communicate a microcontroller with a nokia phone is this fbus, rught?
[16:01] <DrLuke> right*
[16:01] <number10> *number10 nosey
[16:01] <UpuWork> looks promising jcoxon they may be able to supply in smaller quantities depends on the price I guess
[16:01] <jcoxon> yeah depends on which phone
[16:01] <UpuWork> just waiting for her to come back to me
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL> the owner of Make has offered to help try to convince Delorme to make the InReach hackable, or at least not revoke service
[16:01] <jcoxon> UpuWork, is this the chip or a board?
[16:01] <UpuWork> NEO 6Q ?
[16:01] <UpuWork> chip
[16:02] <jcoxon> so we'll need to do some soldering
[16:02] <UpuWork> yup
[16:02] <jcoxon> fair enough
[16:02] <costyn> number10: they were talking about this hack: http://hackaday.com/2011/10/01/hacking-spot-personal-satellite-tracker-to-pass-more-information/
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[16:02] <jcoxon> oh i found my solar/lipo charger that fell out hte window
[16:02] <jcoxon> all is good again
[16:02] <costyn> jcoxon: haha where was it?
[16:03] <jcoxon> in a bush
[16:03] <jcoxon> quite deep in a bush
[16:03] <jcoxon> still works
[16:03] <jcoxon> hooray
[16:03] <jcoxon> though it did spur me on to investigate some other forms of power
[16:03] <costyn> \o/
[16:03] <number10> thanks costyn
[16:03] <jcoxon> such as step-up regulators
[16:06] <UpuWork> jcoxon uBlox NEO-6 Q £18.60 ex VAT each
[16:06] <UpuWork> as used by Darkside
[16:06] <UpuWork> sounds reasonable
[16:06] <UpuWork> ok I need to roll back online from home shortly
[16:07] <fsphil> not bad
[16:07] <Dan-K2VOL> such as bush batteries?
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[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> jcoxon ^
[16:09] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[16:12] <jcoxon> UpuWork, not bad at all
[16:12] <jcoxon> just to say that hte fsa03 i ordered from sequioa are actually ublox 6s
[16:12] <jcoxon> once i peeled off the stupid sticker
[16:13] <number10> they are discontinuing the fsa03
[16:13] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:14] <number10> unless its a type on falcom.de
[16:14] <number10> typo
[16:14] <jcoxon> but it seesm that that FSA03-LP that sequoia stock are actually ublox 6
[16:14] <jcoxon> though it looks like they are now out of stock
[16:14] <jcoxon> certainly not a reliable source
[16:15] <fsphil> they've discontinued the -LP aswell
[16:15] <number10> I did not realise they were doing the LP on sequoia
[16:15] <fsphil> they may just be getting rid of the remaining LP's
[16:15] <jcoxon> not sure they realise either
[16:15] <number10> looks like it on the falcom site LP aswell
[16:15] <number10> I emailed a german distributor to see if they can get some
[16:18] <daveake> Car PC proggie showing data from dl-fldigi ... http://i.imgur.com/mDYtr.png
[16:19] <daveake> If I could find th adapter cable for the GPS then that bit might work :p
[16:19] <number10> it is quite anoying that we had loads of ublox chips at work - and I could have copied the external circuitry from the project - but I have not located
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[16:23] <daveake> jcoxon Does dl-fldigi only accept socket connections on port 7322 from localhost? Can't seem to connect to that across the network. And yes the PC running dl-fldigi does have the firewall turned off.
[16:24] <jcoxon> daveake, i don't use 7322 for my stuff
[16:24] <jcoxon> use xmlrpc instead
[16:24] <jcoxon> also have you turned it on via cmd line arg
[16:24] <daveake> nope
[16:25] <daveake> I just ran netstat-a before and after starting it, to see what ports it was listening on.
[16:25] <daveake> I can connect on the same PC but not from elsewhere.
[16:25] <daveake> Doens't matter - I can just run everything on my main PC for testing
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[16:55] <daveake> Working now with GPS data etc from payload --> dl-fldigi --> car PC proggie. I've got a basic screen running so now I'll have a think about what I really want displayed on a nice clear screen. The screenshot http://imgur.com/LulOr is from my main PC, where it runs inside a graphic of the actual car PC monitor.
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[17:53] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: High end modules?!
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[18:18] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: High end modules?!
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe wondered how long it would take to rouse you
[18:19] <Zuph> o wait, Dan-K2VOL has all eyes stuck on the Apple press conference :-p
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> our venus GPS that can output data at 110% of light speed
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> well that's true
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[18:20] <Zuph> Heh, that's one reason we picked it.
[18:20] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/damaged_ava.jpg
[18:20] <Upu> sheild had broken on GPS antenna didn't notice
[18:20] <Zuph> The others: low power consumption, fast cold-start time, and willingness of engineers to modify firmware.
[18:20] <Upu> thats why no sats :/
[18:20] <Zuph> :(
[18:22] <Upu> wonder if the reason it worked on the ground was because it was close to ground ?
[18:23] <Zuph> Intermittent connection seems more likely.
[18:23] <Upu> yeah sadly there was nothing intermittant about it when it was in the air, it was broken :)
[18:23] <Zuph> heh
[18:42] <Dan-K2VOL> finally full voice control of the iPhone - haha it will use Wolfram Alpha to answer your inane trivia questions
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[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:12] <Zuph> I have to lift a single leg on a TSSOP chip, then run a switch to it so it can be connected/disconnected at will. On a heavily populated, multi-layer board. :(
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[19:23] <fsphil> likely just got a knock on the way up Upu
[19:23] <fsphil> probably only *just* connected on the ground
[19:36] <Upu> well going to redesign
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> what in the world
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> damn disconnects
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander4811> hm
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander4811> you know that thing when the Internet Icon suddenly shows "No Internet Access" or on vista it was "Local connection only"?
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[20:01] <DrLuke> yes! I bought a Nokia 6110 :D
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> yay!
[20:02] <daveake> :)
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> ooh buzz is testing
[20:07] <Upu> evening
[20:07] <fsphil-laptop> howdy Upu
[20:08] <daveake> Is he? Oh, I forgot to disable the online bit ...
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[20:10] <daveake> Actually I was testing a car PC program that listens to dl-fldigi
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[20:13] <daveake> This be it - http://i.imgur.com/JDcVp.png
[20:14] <fsphil-laptop> ooh shiny
[20:14] <daveake> :)
[20:14] <Dan-K2VOL> I like how you're doing your testing in a nebula
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[20:15] <daveake> It keeps things exciting
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> back
[20:17] <natrium42> < DrLuke> yes! I bought a Nokia 6110 :D
[20:17] <natrium42> fail, iphone 4s was just released
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:17] <daveake> When the program runs on a "normal" PC (i.e. with more screen real estate) it draws a pic of the car PC monitor around the main window, so it looks like the real thing.
[20:17] <Upu> lol
[20:17] <daveake> lol
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> which is not iPhone 5, right natrium42?
[20:17] <DrLuke> Hello Lunar_Lander, someone suggested me talking to you
[20:17] <natrium42> yeah, so, it's still awesome
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:17] <fsphil-laptop> I just bought an android phone :p
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> who did?
[20:18] <natrium42> i need iphone4s for business
[20:18] <natrium42> to test apps with
[20:18] <daveake> I use that excuse a lot
[20:19] <natrium42> :D
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> hey natrium42, I'll sell u mine :-)
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL> darn them using an S, I think you mean the iPhone 4S not multiple iPhone 4s
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL> and congrats on hackaday natrium42
[20:21] <natrium42> hehe, thanks
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL> long time in coming :-P
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[20:22] <natrium42> i just decided to get exposure before applying to an incubator
[20:22] <natrium42> so sent it in to them
[20:22] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh good plan!
[20:22] <natrium42> :)
[20:22] <Dan-K2VOL> get some street cred
[20:22] <natrium42> btw, new version of our app released
[20:22] <natrium42> midnox.com *spam*
[20:22] <Dan-K2VOL> the stabilization app?
[20:23] <natrium42> yeah, it's now absolutely free
[20:23] <natrium42> and there are filters, etc
[20:23] <natrium42> in real time
[20:23] <Dan-K2VOL> nice! I was just poking around it in the other day, will it update or is a different download?
[20:23] <natrium42> no, sam
[20:23] <natrium42> just go to the app store and update
[20:23] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[20:24] <Dan-K2VOL> haha I alreadty have it!
[20:24] <natrium42> :D
[20:24] <Dan-K2VOL> love the Update All button
[20:24] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium
[20:24] <natrium42> yeah, but sometimes i avoid it if any of the apps are 1GB in size3
[20:24] <natrium42> like the GPS nav apps
[20:24] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yeah, I don't have those, those are expensive
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> been struggling to make MotionX GPS work for me, it's got a horribly cluttered UI
[20:25] <natrium42> aah, for car navigation?
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[20:25] <natrium42> i have tomtom, navigon and sygic
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> very nice clean UI in Luma btw, what parts of it do you work on?
[20:25] <natrium42> tomtom is the best out of those
[20:26] <natrium42> though sygic is nice for pedestrian mode or POI search
[20:26] <natrium42> actually i am working on the yet to be released backend
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> for Luma?
[20:26] <natrium42> yeah, we want to add social aspects to it
[20:27] <natrium42> hence the name change
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> oh cool, instagramish things?
[20:27] <natrium42> yah, same spirit
[20:27] <natrium42> it's just still too hard to shoot and compose videos
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah I'd probably go to it often if it did youtube upload and youtube link tweeting (but please let it open the twitter app for posting, not a built-in crappy twitter interface)
[20:29] <Dan-K2VOL> gtg will ttyl all, natrium42 I preordered the Delorme InReach, have you?
[20:30] <natrium42> nah, kinda short on cash atm
[20:30] <natrium42> when is it going to be released?
[20:30] <Dan-K2VOL> mid october they say
[20:30] <natrium42> aah, awesome
[20:30] <natrium42> looking forward to it
[20:30] <natrium42> :D
[20:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll keep u in the loop, I've gotten better hacking skills now like u used for findmespot :-)
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[20:31] <natrium42> thanks
[20:31] <natrium42> see you later!
[20:31] <Dan-K2VOL> ttyl
[20:31] <costyn> well just tested the FTDI and pro mini and it works ok... so it looks like the stalker is being obtuse
[20:32] <daveake> I'm not surprised
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[20:33] <costyn> gonna try the stalker again
[20:33] <costyn> unless it's one of my wires thats crap
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[20:37] <costyn> no joy
[20:37] <costyn> wires test out ok
[20:38] <costyn> even took out the GPSBee
[20:38] <natrium42> are the wires pink?
[20:39] <costyn> natrium42: unfortuantely, no. :)
[20:39] <costyn> otherwise it'd be easy :P
[20:39] <natrium42> :D
[20:40] <costyn> anybody else ever use a stalker?
[20:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Josh Taylor "[UKHAS] TMSB report."
[20:40] <natrium42> like a private detective?
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello Paradoxial
[20:40] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar
[20:41] <costyn> natrium42: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/seeeduino-stalker-atmega-328-p-600.html
[20:42] <natrium42> sweet
[20:43] <natrium42> so it logs anything on UART?
[20:43] <costyn> well it would be if it worked
[20:43] <natrium42> are you sure you are getting output from the gps module?
[20:44] <costyn> natrium42: well as of now I"m not even able to get the Arduino IDE to talk to the 328
[20:44] <natrium42> aaah
[20:44] <natrium42> is power good?
[20:44] <natrium42> check the VCC pin of the MCU directly
[20:44] <costyn> should be... LEDs are burning on the board
[20:45] <costyn> there's one blinking rapidly, with a corresponding one on the FTDI
[20:45] <natrium42> hm okay
[20:45] <costyn> getting the dreaded "avrdude: stk500_disable(): protocol error, expect=0x14, resp=0x00"
[20:47] <natrium42> can you try on a different computer?
[20:47] <costyn> I can, I'll try that tommorow, thanks :)
[20:47] <costyn> I need to go now unfortunately
[20:47] <natrium42> kk, better luck tomorrow
[20:47] <costyn> and I still have the seeedstudio forums to browse :)
[20:47] <natrium42> later
[20:47] <costyn> natrium42: thx! cya
[20:55] <jonsowman> .save
[20:55] <jonsowman> oops, excuse me
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[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> hi costyn jonsowman
[21:09] <jonsowman> hi Lunar_Lander
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> how's life and the Alpha?
[21:09] <jonsowman> all good thanks, yourself?
[21:09] <jonsowman> and priyesh and danielsaul are the people to ask about alpha :)
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good also thanks
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[21:12] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: alpha is good.. hoping for a late october launch
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> and Apex III?
[21:13] <priyesh> discussions have started.. development won't begin until we've launched alpha though
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYuJA0oaw4s
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[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> any launches this weekend? unlikely I'll be able too
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[22:42] <nickolai> hey if anyone here has experience working with the Lassen IQ please PM me. I'll be away from my computer for a couple hours but I'll be back later tonight. I'm having a tough time figuring out the best way to interface with it...
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