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[01:15] <natrium42> jcoxon already left? :(
[01:15] <natrium42> there's an interesting tidbit on the hackaday post
[01:15] <natrium42> "I did the FCC qualification testing for this when I was doing contract work at a test house. This thing is right on the edge of all radiated emissions limits that no matter what you do to mod it, it will violate FCC rules. But, no one will ever know if you dont actually end up interfering with anything else."
[01:15] <natrium42> may explain the degradation of performance with our mods
[01:39] <W0OTM> Howdy
[01:40] <natrium42> yo W0OTM
[01:40] <natrium42> looking for flights sfo -> yyz
[01:40] <natrium42> everything is soo expensive on short notice
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[06:23] <eroomde> Upu - i was impressed with your streaming from EARS - do you mind if I ask which hardware / 3G Carrier pairing you used? I haven't tried for about a year but i had hoorendous 3G reception at EARS last time i tried to use it properly
[06:24] <Upu> I used a Exa Networks SIM which uses Three I think
[06:24] <Upu> Its full strength could have probably streamed at a faster frame rate tbh
[06:24] <Upu> I put a Gig of data on it and I don't think we used it, going to ask them this morning
[06:25] <eroomde> ah grand
[06:25] <eroomde> and just a generic 3g usb modem?
[06:25] <Upu> built into my NC10
[06:25] <eroomde> ah ok
[06:25] <Upu> SIM is £25 to buy
[06:25] <eroomde> I was thinking about trying a MiFi
[06:25] <Upu> £4 a month rental
[06:26] <eroomde> very reasonable!
[06:26] <Upu> and 4p a Mb unless you put it on a packaged service which they let you do when you need it
[06:26] <eroomde> and i guess you can justify it as a work expense right :)
[06:26] <Upu> I put Connectify on the netbook
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[06:26] <Upu> totally :)
[06:26] <Upu> http://www.connectify.me/
[06:26] <eroomde> i think i need to incorporate myself
[06:26] <eroomde> in a non self-help way
[06:26] <Upu> just run that and the netbook becomes a hotspot
[06:27] <Upu> We were running a few iPhones through it at the same time
[06:29] <eroomde> Upu: through linux?
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[06:29] <eroomde> oh no windoes
[06:29] <Upu> no thats a windows app
[06:29] <eroomde> yeah, i have tried god knows how many times to showhorn my netbook into sharing 3g over wifi
[06:29] <Upu> just upgrade trollol=lol-lol
[06:29] <eroomde> weeping gently into an iptables config file
[06:30] <eroomde> part of the reason i got my macbook air is i know on osx it's just built in and trivial
[06:30] <eroomde> i would be a good feature for ubuntu devs, as i've suggested to them manytimes
[06:31] <Upu> sure someone will have done Wifi sharing in software under linux but you can bet your bottom dollar it a) Will only work 58% of the time b) won't be documented properly c) will need lib.godknowswhereyougotit.so
[06:31] <eroomde> this is exactly the problem
[06:32] <eroomde> on osx system preferences there's a sharing tab
[06:32] <eroomde> where you just 'share connection from [connections dropdown box] over [connections dropdown box]" % 3GModem, Wifi
[06:32] <costyn> morn
[06:33] <Upu> morning
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[06:37] <eroomde> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004I9YX8E/ref=cm_sw_em_r_am_ip_am_gb?ie=UTF8woah mega latency
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[06:39] <Upu> that new standard equipment for all HAB launches ?
[06:39] <eroomde> yes indeed
[06:39] <eroomde> when flirting with lakes
[06:40] <eroomde> infact i now live on the thames
[06:40] <eroomde> and there's a very good pub called the trout about 2 miles upstream
[06:40] <eroomde> so...
[06:43] <number10> I can see you falling in the drink after a drink ;)
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[06:44] <eroomde> occupational hazard
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[06:46] <eroomde> Upu: do you think you'll be able to recover the flight path of ava?
[06:51] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/estimated_ava_flight_path.jpg
[06:53] <Upu> number10 managed to recieve it until about 1 min before splash down
[06:53] <Upu> and the few photos I've seen it tallies up
[06:53] <Upu> so lucky the camera was pointing in land
[06:56] <number10> I wonder how easy it would be to make a payload water tight - I saw that Rob had a filter over the camera hole on an icurus - that would help somewhat
[06:57] <eroomde> interesting
[06:57] <eroomde> number10: yep not too hard
[06:57] <eroomde> tupperware
[06:59] <costyn> it looked like HOWEST had used tupperware as well to make theirs watertight
[07:00] <number10> yes I was thinking that for the electronics - I suppose the camera aswell. there are underwater camera housings but seem expensive
[07:00] <costyn> number10: the underwater housings are usually heavy too
[07:00] <number10> not that we should be encouraging sea landings
[07:00] <costyn> hardest would be to make a viewing port for the camera lens that doesn't muck up the image too much
[07:00] <daveake> :)
[07:01] <daveake> Fra too many sea landings recently.
[07:01] <daveake> Well, 1 too many
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[07:02] <costyn> number10: although you could probably buy an old underwater camera housing on ebay and remove the lens viewing port and mount that in the tupperware; then you have good optical quality with not too much weight
[07:03] <number10> seems like a good idea
[07:04] <costyn> number10: I have a underwater casing for a Powershot S70, which died during after a dive; unfortunately finding a working 2nd hand powershot S70 is harder than finding the 2nd hand underwater housing for it, so the underwater housings are usually not that expensive any more, especially for older compact camera's
[07:05] <daveake> Also, the S70 doesn't use AAs
[07:05] <costyn> true
[07:06] <daveake> I had one; sold it on ebay to someone who had a waterproof housing for it :)
[07:08] <costyn> daveake: haha
[07:08] <daveake> He had an ex S70 too
[07:08] <costyn> I'm still looking for a working S70
[07:08] <number10> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Underwater-Waterproof-Housing-Case-Bag-4-CANON-S80-A560-/360364463774?pt=US_Camera_Underwater_Housings&hash=item53e765569e
[07:08] <costyn> lots of 'well it's broken but maybe some one can use it for parts' classifieds to be found
[07:09] <costyn> number10: that would work yes
[07:09] <number10> looks like it may - they have more than 1 available - all we need is someone to test it dave ;)
[07:10] <costyn> and 10m is lower than most payloads will go. :) not so useful for normal diving though
[07:10] <daveake> No space on my next payload, sorry :)
[07:10] <daveake> I was hoping for next weekend. Current prediction for Saturday says near Paris; Sundays says English Channel
[07:11] <daveake> Neither optimal
[07:11] <costyn> if it crosses the channel, give a shout, I'll go pick it up
[07:11] <daveake> Oh, whereabouts are you?
[07:11] <costyn> daveake: NL, the Hague
[07:12] <costyn> although Paris would be quite a drive :P
[07:12] <daveake> Indeed
[07:12] <daveake> For launch from here on Sat: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cc5ee64d8e723d9a9a7a254bbeed2b3be1b599f3
[07:13] <daveake> Launch from Cambs would be N of Paris
[07:13] <daveake> Anyway, lots of scope for changes between now and then
[07:13] <daveake> But with the jet stream coming south, I suspect I'll have to wait
[07:13] <costyn> amazing... that's quite a lot of distance it would cover :)
[07:14] <daveake> Sunday is much shorter. But then, it wouldn't clear the channel
[07:14] <daveake> So I think I'll be waiting
[07:14] <costyn> good idea :)
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[07:51] <WillDuckworth> hey Upu / UpuWork; good write up :)
[07:51] <Upu> morning Will thanks :)
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[07:54] <WillDuckworth> sounds like an epic, shame i couldn't be around to keep up! some nive pics :)
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[07:56] <Upu> just waiting on the payload to be returned now
[07:56] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] AVA Recovery"
[07:57] <daveake> Excellent Upu; enjoyed reading that.
[07:58] Action: costyn too
[07:59] <daveake> Backup tracker for next time too, then?
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[10:30] <UpuWork> Hey RocketBoy are you about ?
[10:30] <RocketBoy> yep
[10:31] <UpuWork> quick PM
[10:31] <RocketBoy> ok
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[11:09] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: http://www.open.com.au/mikem/arduino/RF22/classRF22Mesh.html
[11:10] <Randomskk> oh nice
[11:11] <Laurenceb> ive been looking at pipextreme a bit
[11:11] <Laurenceb> a little annoying to port to my hardware
[11:11] <Laurenceb> id have to take the datarate down slightly to 32Kbps
[11:12] <Laurenceb> to allow the data to be read off fast enough
[11:13] <Laurenceb> that seems to be written in c++
[11:18] <Laurenceb> hmm interestingly the packet format seems to be the same as pipxtreme
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[11:23] <Laurenceb> ok wut...
[11:23] <Laurenceb> i strongly suspect its based on pipxtreme
[11:23] <Laurenceb> rewritten in c++ with mesh networking and no AES128
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[11:33] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: we should run this off a hab
[11:33] <Laurenceb> i think its the other way round - pipxtreme is this code rewritten in c
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[11:45] <Laurenceb> actually this is really nice - its all c/c++ without any ardutarded stuff
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[12:09] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] AVA Recovery"
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[12:32] <UpuWork> just noticed how close to landing on the RAF Mildenhall runway Xaben was on Saturday
[12:33] <UpuWork> 750meters away
[12:33] <Darkside> eek
[12:48] <Laurenceb> it looked a bit dicey
[12:55] <W0OTM> iHAB-7 APRS Data Analysis (PDF) - http://www.ihabproject.com/APRSTool/iHAB-7/APRSTool_iHAB-7%20TOOL.pdf
[12:57] <W0OTM> iHAB-7 Launch Recap w/ Photos and Launch/Recovery Video - http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/
[13:01] <Laurenceb> as long as it avoided the nuclear bunker
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[13:06] <futurity> UpuWork: was very close
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[13:07] <futurity> I remember tracking it on Satellite map mode and at the last minute it changed from heading NE to N
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[13:08] <futurity> Does anyone know if there is a calculator that helps estimate the amount of helium required to lift a payload of a given size?
[13:08] <futurity> Looking to do a pico (well smallish) payload
[13:10] <number10> futurity: there is some info here http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[13:10] <futurity> number10: Thanks
[13:10] <eroomde> futurity: cusf.co.uk/calc too
[13:10] <eroomde> but really for volume it's easy
[13:10] <eroomde> 1 cu m He = 1kg lift
[13:11] <futurity> thanks Ed
[13:11] <futurity> i take it that the rules we're working to mean that it needs to launch at a particular speed to clear the air lanes in a timely manner. i.e. i can't just let it float slowly up,
[13:12] <futurity> or are fast ascents just desirable so that the payload can be collected?
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Slow ascents mean that the balloon may not burst, but float.
[13:16] <futurity> oh i see
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Also that you may end up running along after the balloon in a comical manner as it doesn't go up.
[13:17] <futurity> I've seen someone do that. Not fun for the launcher :(
[13:18] <futurity> if i don't mind loosing the payload, is there any problem with launching a floater?
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> As long as you don't crush cars flat on launch, you're doing better than NASA
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> futurity: nope
[13:18] <futurity> i know that zero pressure balloons aren't really allowed in the UK
[13:18] <futurity> as they float and then drop eventually into the aircraft lanes
[13:19] <futurity> i take it that latex floaters eventually burst due to UV like AVA
[13:19] <UpuWork> http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/calc
[13:19] <UpuWork> if you haven't got it already
[13:19] <futurity> well i think the AVA UV burst is guessed at
[13:19] <UpuWork> data for Hwoyee balloons isn't great
[13:19] <UpuWork> they have a tendancy to float
[13:20] <futurity> i see
[13:20] <UpuWork> well I assume it was UV degrading the latex
[13:20] <UpuWork> unless some space alien was up there with a pin that is
[13:20] <UpuWork> I'll check the photos when I get them back
[13:20] <futurity> i know James has been experimenting with foil balloons. I know he's been trying to get them to float. has he had much success does anyone know?
[13:21] <number10> did you have a small movie camera onboard Upuwork?
[13:21] <UpuWork> yes
[13:21] <UpuWork> AEE-MDS91
[13:21] <futurity> UpuWork: Great to hear that you got your payload back :)
[13:21] <UpuWork> AEE-MD91 even
[13:21] <UpuWork> thx futurity
[13:21] <UpuWork> going send out QSL cards when I have a few mins so I'll need addresses from everyone who recieved data :)
[13:21] <futurity> And thank you for thanking the trackers
[13:22] <number10> is steve sending it by post
[13:22] <UpuWork> http://www.aee.com/en/productshow.asp?sendid=52
[13:22] <futurity> not that i was looking for thanks, but it is a nice touch, thanks
[13:22] <UpuWork> had one of those on it with 8Gb card and external battery - it was still powered on when it was recovered the day after
[13:22] <UpuWork> yes number10 coming via special delivery
[13:22] <number10> looked like you had a mini usb lead to power that
[13:22] <UpuWork> Yeah I did
[13:23] <number10> excellent - should see some more photos
[13:23] <UpuWork> to a battery pack with 4 AAA's in it, 2 diodes in series to get the voltage down
[13:23] <UpuWork> 2800 photos from the A560
[13:23] <number10> thats pretty good
[13:23] <UpuWork> it was still clicking away when it went dark in the North Sea
[13:24] <UpuWork> i suspect the card filled
[13:24] <number10> dont post the night time ones
[13:24] <UpuWork> lol
[13:24] <UpuWork> no
[13:24] <UpuWork> I am going to try a time lapse movie with the stills though
[13:24] <number10> but the sun going down may be quite good
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> Are there any stars visible in the nighttime ones?
[13:24] <UpuWork> no idea but it was set for day time scene mode so probably won't get anything
[13:25] <UpuWork> I'll check them when I get them
[13:25] <Laurenceb> stars?
[13:25] <Laurenceb> dont you know its on a soundstage on mars
[13:25] <futurity> Exposure wise it's quite hard to capture stars
[13:25] <WillDuckworth> at least the weather was good :)
[13:25] <number10> would have been cool if it was still running when the rescue boat came for it
[13:25] <UpuWork> it was
[13:25] <UpuWork> but no memory left :P)
[13:25] <costyn> plus the shots when it was floating in the ocean might not make great time lapse footage with the camera angle going up and down due to waves :)
[13:25] <UpuWork> 1Gb every 1/2 hour
[13:25] <UpuWork> had 8Gb card
[13:26] <UpuWork> the payload below had an upward facing camera
[13:26] <number10> so the big quetion - are youto?, and when is the next baloon projext upu
[13:26] <number10> question
[13:26] <UpuWork> rebuild with a better flight computer
[13:26] <UpuWork> will switch to a more robust GPS
[13:26] <UpuWork> smaller
[13:26] <UpuWork> lighter
[13:27] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dietA710-goodbits.jpg <- that is a working Canon A710
[13:27] <Laurenceb> better
[13:27] <Laurenceb> do it faster
[13:27] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dietA710-waste.jpg thats 119g of not needed bits
[13:27] <Laurenceb> make it stronger
[13:27] <costyn> harder?
[13:27] <UpuWork> :)
[13:27] <UpuWork> lots of ideas I want to implement
[13:28] <UpuWork> The biggest problem is I need to learn Eagle again
[13:28] <UpuWork> which makes me cry on the inside
[13:28] <UpuWork> Want to 1/2 the side of the computer
[13:28] <UpuWork> size not side
[13:29] <WillDuckworth> how about an arduino pro mini?
[13:29] <UpuWork> I'd prefer to make it myself
[13:29] <WillDuckworth> yeah - specially looking at Darkside's stuff
[13:29] <UpuWork> pink will fly again
[13:29] <WillDuckworth> v neat
[13:30] <UpuWork> indeed
[13:36] <Darkside> WillDuckworth: i'm happy to give out my mininut design if you want it
[13:36] <Darkside> thats the previous version to the micronut
[13:37] <Darkside> twice the size, no onboard gps
[13:38] <WillDuckworth> That's very kind - would be nice to have a look see find out..... do you ever sleep Darkside?
[13:38] <Darkside> haha
[13:38] <Darkside> its only midnight here
[13:38] <Darkside> the designs are on my blog somewhere
[13:38] <Darkside> hunt back a bit to the posts from when I was in the UK
[13:38] <Darkside> there should be a zip file linked somewhere
[13:38] <WillDuckworth> cool - that the rfhead site?
[13:38] <Darkside> yeah
[13:39] <Darkside> you'll need to 'acquire' altium designer v10 to be able to open the designs tho
[13:39] <WillDuckworth> cheers
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[13:39] <Darkside> but yes, it is late, i should be sleeping
[13:40] <Darkside> so i bid thee goodnight good sirs and ladies (?)
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[13:40] <UpuWork> nn
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[13:43] <fsphil> looking forward to the new improved ava
[13:43] <fsphil> twice as pink?
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[13:48] <SpeedEvil> 20% louder too?
[13:48] <fsphil> at least
[13:50] <number10> much more fun to make up your own I think
[13:51] <UpuWork> less pink :)
[13:51] <UpuWork> want it smaller
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[13:51] <UpuWork> < 500g
[13:51] <UpuWork> AVA was a fat ass surpised it didn't sink
[13:51] <costyn> UpuWork: you fulfilled your part of the dare I now right? so no need for hot pink any more?
[13:51] <UpuWork> 860g
[13:51] <number10> does that mean I cant use my pink coax when traking for the next one
[13:52] <UpuWork> I'm going hot pink again
[13:52] <UpuWork> easy to see
[13:52] <costyn> hehe ok
[13:52] <UpuWork> also got 2 rolls of pink gaffer left :)
[13:52] <costyn> and recognizable to HABbers everywhere
[13:52] <costyn> as being your project :P
[13:52] <UpuWork> indeed
[13:53] <daveake> We really need a mod to spacenear so it shows up in pink on the map
[13:53] <number10> where was the name AVA derived from UpuWork?
[13:53] <x-f> daveake, and boats!
[13:53] <nosebleedKT_> Hey, did upu get his payload?
[13:53] <UpuWork> he did
[13:53] <nosebleedKT_> !
[13:53] <UpuWork> no idea to be honest
[13:53] <nosebleedKT_> Pictures from 40km ?
[13:53] <UpuWork> 36km
[13:54] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net
[13:54] <UpuWork> Can't recall why I called it Ava now
[13:54] <nosebleedKT_> oh
[13:54] <UpuWork> sure there was a reason at the time
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[13:56] <daveake> Acquired by Vehicle Aquatic
[13:56] <daveake> or something better along those lines :)
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[13:58] <BrainDamage> call it ASV
[13:58] <BrainDamage> Autonomous Sinking Vehicle
[13:59] <nosebleedKT_> Upu its epic
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[13:59] <UpuWork> lol BrainDamage
[13:59] <nosebleedKT_> especially the pic on the water !
[14:00] Nick change: number10_ -> number10
[14:00] <nosebleedKT_> however do u have a link to all the pictures?
[14:00] <UpuWork> like that recovery nosebleedKT_ ?
[14:00] <nosebleedKT_> yes its awesome.
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[14:00] <fsphil> I still can't believe it floated all night
[14:01] <UpuWork> nosebleedKT_ Rocketboy hired a boat to get it
[14:01] <UpuWork> he dried the SD cards off and recovered the pictures
[14:01] <number10> does that A710 still work after the dismantling. you must have some patients
[14:01] <UpuWork> I only have some lowres ones but all 2800 hires pics are on their way back
[14:01] <UpuWork> Yes number10
[14:02] <nosebleedKT_> Rocketboy is a good guy then
[14:02] <UpuWork> not sure I'd fly it like that, may make a stryofoam case for it
[14:02] <nosebleedKT_> Upu: Canon A560 lcd off? You did it from CHDK ? or Dryos ?
[14:02] <UpuWork> CHKD , LCD off with a plug in the side, flash disabled in CHKD 1 pic every 10 secs filled 8Gb card
[14:03] <nosebleedKT_> what do u mean plug in the side?
[14:03] <UpuWork> there is a small AV socket in the side
[14:03] <nosebleedKT_> y
[14:03] <UpuWork> if you shove something in it turns the screen off
[14:03] <nosebleedKT_> omg
[14:03] <costyn> UpuWork: good to know :)
[14:03] <nosebleedKT_> like it thinks its an AV cable
[14:03] <daveake> Some Canon compacts need that to turn the screen off; on others it can be done from the script
[14:03] <fsphil> you can keep the screen off in software too but it's a bit fussy
[14:03] <UpuWork> I put about 1.5cms of BIC pen ink tube with a small screw in the end into it
[14:04] <UpuWork> I could never get the script to do it reliably
[14:04] <daveake> fsphil That worked for me on an IXUS 50 but not on an A480
[14:04] <fsphil> on the a560 you have to do it via the menu
[14:04] <UpuWork> the plug always worked
[14:04] <nosebleedKT_> daveake: yes A480 does not do it
[14:04] <fsphil> but yea the plug is a better solution
[14:04] <daveake> I just used a plug chopped of some cheap 'phones
[14:04] <UpuWork> however I did drop the plug in the field jsut before launch and had a major panic
[14:04] <fsphil> also if you use the AV out to feed a 2.4ghz transmitter :)
[14:05] <fsphil> you get live video for a certain range anyway
[14:05] <daveake> :)
[14:05] <nosebleedKT_> lol!
[14:05] <fsphil> wonder if that would work
[14:05] <nosebleedKT_> fsphil: i have seen that on the exhibion
[14:05] <UpuWork> I might bring Ava to the conference
[14:05] <nosebleedKT_> Av goes to a chinese device and outputs 2.4ghz video
[14:06] <nosebleedKT_> but small range it had
[14:07] <nosebleedKT_> fsphil: AV from the camera works only while recording video? no still images?
[14:11] <daveake> UpuWork - dry it out first :-). Don't want water everywhere ;)
[14:16] <fsphil> that I'm not sure of nosebleedKT_
[14:17] <fsphil> it might only show the still shots as they're taken
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[14:40] <UpuWork> I guess ublox Neo 6 chips are good for altitude ?
[14:42] <fsphil> yea
[14:42] <fsphil> darkside flew one
[14:43] <UpuWork> I think I might as well go for a new chip
[14:43] <UpuWork> if I'm redesigning
[14:43] <fsphil> I've been happy with the ublox5
[14:44] <UpuWork> dunno where Darkside gets them so cheap will have to find a supplier
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[14:52] <fsphil> I've not seen them for sale anywhere so far
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[15:04] <fsphil> bah, aaisp are putting up prices
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[15:06] <fsphil> quite a lot
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[15:22] <GW8RAK> Afternoon. A quick question about Canon cameras, in particular the A560.
[15:22] <UpuWork> shoot
[15:22] <UpuWork> they aren't waterproof
[15:23] <daveake> lol
[15:23] <GW8RAK> Is it necessary to reprogramme them with the CHKDK software for greater control?
[15:23] <daveake> It's either that or wire to the shutter from the flight computer
[15:23] <UpuWork> Well you need some way of getting them to take pictures
[15:23] <UpuWork> and CHKD is really easy
[15:23] <daveake> CHDK
[15:23] <UpuWork> that too
[15:23] <daveake> :)
[15:24] <daveake> Wrong in your write-up too, so you're consistent :)
[15:24] <GW8RAK> Absoluterly. I wasn't sure if CHDK was used or if you hardwired the on/off button and the shutter release.
[15:24] <daveake> CHKD is easier ;)
[15:25] <GW8RAK> With CHDK can you just send wake up and take picture commands via an interface port?
[15:25] <GW8RAK> If so, what is the interface?
[15:25] <daveake> It's independent.
[15:25] <UpuWork> http://pastebin.com/PiJ32Qq2
[15:25] <UpuWork> I did a blog on it 1 sec
[15:25] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=78
[15:26] <daveake> You run a little script in the camera to (e.g.) take a photo every 5 secs, or 5 photos then 30 secs of video. Up to you.
[15:26] <UpuWork> Mine did 1 pic every 10s
[15:26] <GW8RAK> Now I see. Can it respond to external commands?
[15:26] <daveake> It's possible to wire an external trigger to the USB port, so yes
[15:27] <daveake> Someone here, I forget who, wrote some code to check the USB input from the camera script. If you google "CHDK stereo" there's info there
[15:27] <UpuWork> yeah the stereo script does that
[15:27] <UpuWork> I'm too slow
[15:27] <daveake> lol
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[15:27] <GW8RAK> Okay, probably not necesary. Just trying to understand what happens.
[15:28] <UpuWork> just get a A560 put a 2Gb card in and try that script I just pasted
[15:28] <GW8RAK> Just about given up on getting insurance for an official air cadet launch, so I'll just do it myself
[15:28] <UpuWork> gets slightly more compex with an 8Gb card
[15:28] <daveake> Sure. The AA batteries last for hours (ask Upu) so there's no need to switch the camera on at altude for example
[15:28] <UpuWork> I think the camera ran out of memory before the batteries went flat, 7.5 hours
[15:29] <GW8RAK> Got one last avenue to try, but the guy I spoke to almost fell over when I mentioned a weather balloon.
[15:29] <UpuWork> just make sure flash is disabled and the screen is off
[15:29] <UpuWork> good luck with the insurance
[15:29] <daveake> Sounds about right. I don't remember exactly but my A480 gave 4 hours or so before it filled an 8GB card
[15:29] <GW8RAK> Strange really as he launches them for the RAF!
[15:29] <daveake> And make sure the auto shutdown is off and the RAW saving is off
[15:29] <GW8RAK> Just going to get an A560 off ebay
[15:29] <UpuWork> yep
[15:29] <UpuWork> good luck there don't seem to be many
[15:30] <daveake> Sveral little gotchas
[15:30] <daveake> I paid £28 for my A480 (RIP) as a refurb from the Canon Outlet on ebay. They're more expensive now!
[15:30] <UpuWork> I got a A560 and a A740 for £30 a piece
[15:31] <daveake> Got an A495 now for £2.50
[15:31] <daveake> £32.50
[15:31] <daveake> oops
[15:31] <GW8RAK> There's quite an old Canon I've been looking for, but they are the same price now as when they current and new.
[15:31] <daveake> Yeah, crazy
[15:31] <GW8RAK> Could it be that the rush to produce more and more models did not result in better products?
[15:31] <daveake> But they're still good cameras. When dry.
[15:32] <daveake> In manu cases yes
[15:32] <UpuWork> problem is none of the new ones use AA's
[15:32] <UpuWork> A710 works
[15:32] <GW8RAK> 5 A560's on ebay at present
[15:32] <daveake> There's a good page on wikipedia listing all the models
[15:32] <daveake> Shows weights and batteries
[15:33] <UpuWork> I should buy one of those
[15:33] <GW8RAK> But really as long as it work with CHDK and takes AA's, then any will do initially
[15:33] <daveake> Yep
[15:33] <GW8RAK> Lovely sunny day all day long and as it's getting to cycling home time, it clouds over :(
[15:33] <UpuWork> Super cool would be to use the Canon to do the telemetry too
[15:34] <GW8RAK> ?
[15:34] <daveake> Weight isn't a big issue as there's only about 30g between models and a typical camera payload is going to be the best part of a kilo anyway
[15:34] <GW8RAK> Store it?
[15:34] <UpuWork> well it has way more processing power than an Ardunio
[15:34] <GW8RAK> I see
[15:34] <UpuWork> it could take pics and transmit telemetry too
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[15:34] <GW8RAK> Article in Amsat news on using an Arduino to decode satellite telemetry
[15:37] <UpuWork> you could save 25g by removing the flash unit and flash capacitor from the A560
[15:37] <UpuWork> probably more if you loose the view finder
[15:37] <UpuWork> just not needed
[15:38] <UpuWork> might buy a few and start pulling them apart :)
[15:39] <GW8RAK> I've just had an old digital camera, Fuji, returned and that could be butchered, but it does take good photos
[15:40] <GW8RAK> Is the current preoccupation with weight because everyone is aiming for altitude records? ;)
[15:40] <GW8RAK> (Got the right smiley)
[15:40] <UpuWork> nah lighter = safer
[15:40] <UpuWork> and higher
[15:40] <daveake> or cheaper on helium/balloon
[15:41] <daveake> or quicker ascent so less likely to land in the sea
[15:42] <UpuWork> really light as possible should be the norm in my opinion
[15:42] <daveake> See, lots of advantages :)
[15:42] <GW8RAK> Not landing in the sea seems very topical at present as well :)
[15:42] <daveake> Well, 2 out of 3 recoveries aint bad
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[15:52] <UpuWork> yours still may turn up
[15:52] <UpuWork> where were the final coordinates ?
[15:58] <daveake> justamo (was away working on a car PC)
[15:59] <daveake> Last from RocketBoy was 52.2259950,1.8539925
[16:01] <daveake> Last from the tracker was 52.229120,1.856401
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[16:15] <daveake> Some parts of the final packets got corrupted, but looking at the trend, Steve's last reading was at about 300m and the final tracker reading was prety much where it landed.
[16:15] <daveake> So not too far from where yours was collected from!
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[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:16] <daveake> The "call me" label was made on a thermal printer. I made another when I got home, and put that in salt water. It's faded but still readable.
[16:16] <daveake> LO LL
[16:20] <number10> comparitive positions AVA1 cloud2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/6207643949/in/photostream
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[16:24] <daveake> Yet launched 75 miles apart!
[16:26] <daveake> Did someone here mention using an Amazon Kindle to view the spacenear map recently?
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[16:26] <number10> I think so - cant remember who though
[16:27] <daveake> Was wondering how good those are as browsers
[16:27] <daveake> Could be a good excuse to get one
[16:27] <number10> well the screen is monochrome I think
[16:27] <daveake> It is. Should be OK for the map though
[16:28] <number10> aparently you can, at the moment use them anywhere in the world - including France daveake ;)
[16:28] <daveake> That was the other question :D
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[16:28] <daveake> Obviously you were following my thought process!
[16:29] <number10> nice trip to france for recovery
[16:29] <daveake> Either a quick crossing thru the tunnel, or a slower one tracking from the ferry
[16:30] <number10> remember to put expérimentation inoffensifs on the label
[16:30] <daveake> lol
[16:32] <daveake> Buzz L'Eclair Un
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[16:32] <BrainDamage> along with radioactive & biological hazard labels
[16:32] <daveake> :D
[16:34] <daveake> Jusqu'à l'infini et au delà.
[16:34] <daveake> (I'm looking all this stuff up, btw!)
[16:35] <number10> noway I thought you were fluent and have a keyboard with the accents buzz
[16:35] <daveake> Sadly not
[16:36] <number10> same here
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[16:43] <number10> you have a netbook though daveake - that works ok for fldigi and the tracker?
[16:44] <daveake> Yes, that works fine. Laptop works too. And now I'm getting a car PC set up - built that ages ago but now I have an actual use for it :-)
[16:44] <daveake> But allegedly the Kindle is free to use abroad. I travel a lot so that could be a real money saver.
[16:48] <number10> yes, I heard I guy from work used one over in india - asn't paying much attention at the time
[16:48] <number10> wasn't
[17:00] <eroomde> daveake: it was darkside who used the kindle for spacenear.us
[17:00] <eroomde> during horusa 15 when we were in the pub
[17:00] <eroomde> it was hopeless
[17:00] <daveake> Ah, thanks!
[17:01] <daveake> A clear, concise and honest review is all needed :)
[17:10] <eroomde> i think the issue was the tracker itself
[17:10] <eroomde> very heavy
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello eroomde number10 RocketBoy
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[17:15] <W0OTM> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:15] <nosebleedKT_> Lunar_Lander: you cant say hello just to certain people, other people could misunderstand that you dont say hello to them too
[17:15] <nosebleedKT_> :p
[17:16] <daveake> :)
[17:16] <daveake> When it comes to flying light aircraft some people fail to see the attraction.
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello W0OTM
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah nosebleedKT_ xD
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM : how have you been? is the glider project going well?
[17:18] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: yes, we have completed several low alt tests
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:19] <W0OTM> whats u working on?
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> on nosebleedKT_'s board, arduino programming and also ham radio now :)
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> and a bit of physics for upcoming exams
[17:25] <nosebleedKT_> Lunar_Lander: wants to prove that netrinos travel faster than photons
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[17:30] <daveake> dl-fldigi now installed and decoding on my car PC :)
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[17:30] <daveake> Screen is a bit cramped but it works
[17:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "Re: [UKHAS] AVA Recovery"
[17:38] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] AVA Recovery"
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[17:52] <GW8RAK> After the thread earlier when I was asking about CHDK and Canon A560's, the A460 is more available and looks quite a bit cheaper on ebay.
[17:53] <Upu> less pixels 5 vs 7.1
[17:53] <GW8RAK> True, but less expensive to lose
[17:53] <Upu> indeed :)
[17:53] <daveake> It'd be fine
[17:53] <Upu> does it take AA's ?
[17:54] <GW8RAK> I've never been convinced by number of pixels alone.
[17:54] <GW8RAK> yes Upu
[17:54] <Upu> yes
[17:54] <Upu> oh pixels are nothing
[17:54] <Upu> Pathfinder had < 1mil pixels but a lense worth £1mil :)
[17:54] <daveake> :)
[17:55] <GW8RAK> A460 finishing this evening. Audio fault, so I may watch that one.
[17:55] <Upu> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3958138/
[17:56] <GW8RAK> Everyone has come home and turned their computers on I think. Internet suddenly gone slow
[17:56] <daveake> Yeah, you don't really need audio. Only things worth listening to on mine were the applause as it took off and the pop of the balloon
[17:57] <Upu> I'd remove the speaker anyway must weight at least a gramme
[17:57] <daveake> lol
[17:57] <GW8RAK> And the cable to it Upu
[17:58] <daveake> I'd be tempted to bid for that myself but I won't spoil it for you :)
[17:58] <GW8RAK> I was thinking it could cause problems discussing it here, but then I realised what a nice bunch of people HABers are and no-one would do anything like that.
[17:59] <Upu> we have a page for who's bidding on what on Ebay on the UKHAS site
[18:00] <GW8RAK> Haven't seen that
[18:01] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/misc:ebayids
[18:01] <GW8RAK> Like the FT-790 sitting at 9.99
[18:01] <Upu> gosh
[18:02] <number10> but you cant see the ebayers identity anymore on bids
[18:02] <Upu> yup
[18:03] <RocketBoy> yeah - another way ebay has stiiched us up
[18:04] <RocketBoy> they really are a law unto themselves
[18:04] <RocketBoy> more or less an monopoly
[18:05] <GW8RAK> And their constant revisions to terms and conditions, particularly with Paypal, are just so confusing that no-one really knows where they stand.
[18:05] <GW8RAK> It's easier to assume that if anything goes wrong, you're screwed
[18:05] <RocketBoy> yeah - b*st*rds
[18:07] <GW8RAK> Come the revolution, they'll be the first against the wall
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[18:21] <nosebleedKT_> ok, I think I just drew my first SMD pattern: http://imagebin.org/177292
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[18:52] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: ping
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[19:12] <GW8RAK> Got the camera for £8.50 in the end. Cheap enough to play with. :)
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK btw :)
[19:12] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander.
[19:13] <GW8RAK> Found a good link to radiation monitoring yesterday and thought of you. It uses a Pin diode.
[19:13] <GW8RAK> Trying to find the link now
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> a photodiode?
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> could it be that this was in Elektor?
[19:15] <GW8RAK> No a Pin diode. Was looking for a design for switching RF and found this. Just searching the history
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:17] <GW8RAK> http://www.ieee.li/pdf/pin_diode_handbook.pdf Appendix F
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:20] <GW8RAK> Hope it is of some interest. Not a lot in there, but it could be worth investigating
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> thank you :)
[19:22] <daveake> GW8RAK Good price!
[19:26] <stilldavid> natrium42: probably late to the game, but nice spot on HaD :)
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[19:30] <GW8RAK> daveake, yes, I thought so and gives me something to play with CHDK on.
[19:30] <GW8RAK> And if it lands in the water, it's not a great loss
[19:30] <Upu> so much talk about water these days....
[19:31] <daveake> :p
[19:31] <Upu> evening
[19:31] <GW8RAK> Didn't know it was a s(h)ore subject
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:31] <Upu> if I had channel ops I would boot you for the bad joke
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> who of you knows Mystery Science Theater 3000?
[19:32] <daveake> It'll tide over
[19:32] <GW8RAK> I accept you virtual boot up the jacksy
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[19:33] <Upu> what does FCD mean ?
[19:34] <GW8RAK> Never heard of it Lunar_Lander
[19:34] <GW8RAK> Fun cube dongle
[19:34] <Upu> ah
[19:35] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: pong
[19:37] <daveake> Does anyone know if it's possible to access the dl-fldigi decode stream from another program, e.g. using a TCP/IP socket?
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> MST3K is great
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[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF7cO4t0o9c
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[19:44] <nosebleedKT_> a guy on my project's page says:
[19:44] <nosebleedKT_> Tourountzis Ioannis: No way if you are a Physicist on higher attitude and velocity of electric fields in higher regions (above 3.000 feet upper electromagnetic fields are a little weird and quantum mechanics influences them ) ;)
[19:44] <Randomskk> there are a lot of silly people on the internet
[19:45] <nosebleedKT_> Yes im trying to verify this
[19:45] <nosebleedKT_> he is from my town
[19:45] <nosebleedKT_> and his facebook page looks weird
[19:45] <nosebleedKT_> and he 'likes' his own comments
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> he needs to watch MST3K
[19:46] Action: fsphil has never watched mst3k
[19:46] <nosebleedKT_> http://imagebin.org/177301
[19:48] <nosebleedKT_> and now he asks for my profession !
[19:49] <Laurenceb_> yo randomskk
[19:49] <Randomskk> hi
[19:49] <Randomskk> nosebleedKT_: tell him you're a quantum physicist
[19:50] <nosebleedKT_> lol
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[19:51] <nosebleedKT_> I will just write him that
[19:52] <Laurenceb_> that mesh network thing looks good
[19:52] <Randomskk> yea
[19:52] <nosebleedKT_> this pcb is going to cross 35km of atmosphere and again another 35km with high velocity and nothing is going to happen
[19:53] <Laurenceb_> but everything needs a 1 byte address
[19:53] <Laurenceb_> im thinking if the ground station is a server and the uavs clients
[19:53] <Randomskk> why high velocity?
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> and the clients joint as 255, and the server is always 0
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> then the client is assigned an address, and sends the server its name
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> it could also allow the clients to loop through channels and search for a netwrok
[19:55] <nosebleedKT_> Randomskk: he says that!
[19:55] <Randomskk> nosebleedKT_: why is your PCB going high velocity?
[19:55] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: hmm yea
[19:55] <nosebleedKT_> its not
[19:55] <nosebleedKT_> high velocity i mean when its descending
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> pipxtreme uses the hardware link layer rewritten in c
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> but i _think_ it adds auto power scaling
[19:56] <Randomskk> oh, same protocol?
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> yes
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah and other boards didn't fail also
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> they just copied the code
[19:56] <Randomskk> I see
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> for the hardware layer, reimplimented it as c, and added AES and a simpler networking system ontop
[19:57] <Randomskk> AES seems a bit... unnecessary?
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> heh
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> i really dont understand the hardware layer
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> or whatever you call it
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> si4432 has hardware packet engine
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> they hack it to allow different size packets
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> use the packet header adding and stripping in hardware, but crc generation and checking on the micro
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> aiui reading the code
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> im considering having something in python or similar to sit between the receiver on the ground and the gcs
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> then have a _nice_ protocol over the top of the link, like TSIP or something for the data
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> and convert to UAVtalk or whatever you want on the ground
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> or MAVlink and stuff
[20:01] <DanielRichman> What's better than 1 million lines of #highaltitude logs? 1 million lines of logs with pretty nick colours! http://habhub.org/zeusbot/ (src on githib)
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> nice work
[20:02] <DanielRichman> I really should do something useful.
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> see my suggestion XD
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> python TSIP<->UAVtalk/MAVlink
[20:03] <DanielRichman> ;-)
[20:04] Action: Laurenceb_ hates UAVtalk
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> MAVlink source makes my head explode
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> why cant people write nice binary protocols
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[20:07] <fsphil> ^^ my first time on this channel ;)
[20:07] <Upu> are those logs searchable ?
[20:07] <fsphil> nah
[20:08] <DanielRichman> Upu: hopefully. Google hasn't indexed them yet, but we're hoping that it will go for the html logs
[20:08] <DanielRichman> and if it does, I'll add a custom search link
[20:08] <Upu> ok I see your plan
[20:08] <DanielRichman> a billion times easier than hosting a search box
[20:08] <DanielRichman> ... if they index it.
[20:08] <number10> DanielRichman: your talent is being wasted, luckily my brief mutterings dont make the stats!
[20:09] <fsphil> my first comment, oddly: [11:54] <fsphil> what's the url?
[20:16] <RocketBoy> upu: I discovered why the XABEN pyro went off before launch
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20061126.html
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> first time i appear
[20:16] <Upu> timer ?
[20:16] <RocketBoy> twas the uBlox - dithering altitude by 100m
[20:16] <RocketBoy> (somthing the IQ didn't do)
[20:16] <daveake> Ah. Now if it wasn't in aircraft mode it wouldn't do that ..........
[20:16] <Upu> put a check in the code
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> lol talking about gliders
[20:17] <Upu> if the altitude <1000 don't fire pyro ?
[20:17] <RocketBoy> thats my launch detect - 100m above locked
[20:17] <Upu> interesting just looking at what GPS chip to use next
[20:17] <RocketBoy> and then it dropped 100m - and it thought it was comming down
[20:17] <fsphil> I seemed to be trying to pick up ballasthalo4 with a homebrew yagi :) I still have that somewhere .. knowing what I know now, there was no hope of it working
[20:17] <Upu> yep that would do it :)
[20:17] <Upu> I put a check in my code won't fire pyro below 10k
[20:18] <Upu> shame it didn't get tested
[20:18] <Upu> Darkside where do you get your uBlox 6 chips from ?
[20:18] <RocketBoy> so I just adjusted the code to allow 250m rather than 100m
[20:18] <Upu> ok
[20:19] <Upu> bet that made Josh and Ed jump ? :)
[20:19] <RocketBoy> yeah - an me
[20:19] <RocketBoy> and
[20:19] <Upu> lol
[20:19] <daveake> :)
[20:20] <RocketBoy> something I could do without
[20:20] <fsphil> you need one of those safe pins, pull it out just before launch
[20:20] <RocketBoy> remove before flight tag
[20:20] <fsphil> big red tag
[20:20] <RocketBoy> they look cool
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: you're thinking of a 'swarm' of quadcopters?
[20:20] <Upu> nice idea
[20:20] <RocketBoy> we used them in rocketry
[20:20] <Randomskk> yes
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> im just thinking thats a _lot_ of data
[20:21] <RocketBoy> as long as you remember to remove them :-)
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> i mean UAVtalk can max out 62Kbps with one UAV
[20:21] <Upu> tie them to the ground so if the balloon goes up no choice :)
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> if they are all on the same frequency...
[20:21] <DanielRichman> why not "go above 1km and then fall 100m"?
[20:22] <Laurenceb_> i guess you could slow down the update rate, but 10hz or faster is useful
[20:22] <RocketBoy> yeah - they used a link that pulled out on rocket launches
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[20:23] <RocketBoy> well the code was suppoed to be generic - for use anywhere in the world - up mountains etc - but its all a bit OTT
[20:24] <fsphil> you could test for three consecutive drops
[20:24] <RocketBoy> its got a ltille to complex
[20:24] <RocketBoy> little
[20:24] <RocketBoy> oh - yeah it does that 15 in fact
[20:25] <RocketBoy> just that the uBlox put 15 descending readings in a row
[20:25] <fsphil> ah
[20:25] <RocketBoy> - all doping by a few m
[20:25] <RocketBoy> dropping
[20:26] <RocketBoy> fortunatly i have full NMEA log on SD - so I'll be checking the code against it
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> btw fsphil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y259WQIvBNo
[20:39] <fsphil> firefox is thinking about opening that
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> like it is delayed?
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> or is it giving a warning?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> like "dangerous website" or so?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> which I doubt on youtube
[20:41] <fsphil> oh, update
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> to 7.0.1?
[20:41] <fsphil> it's like firefox 100 by now
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:44] <fsphil> was this a real tv show ? :)
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> from 1988-1999
[20:45] <fsphil> few years then :)
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[20:45] <fsphil> I've heard of it but I've never seen it
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> in the last three years, there was a nice lady on it
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdAIy2Wd9Fg
[20:48] <fsphil> "only half of season 8 got played in the sci fi channel uk at 4am"
[20:48] <fsphil> well that explains why I never saw it :)
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> but Pearl is handsome, isn't she?
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:53] <staylo> Ah, MST3K was surprisingly entertaining. I only ever watched some of the earlier episodes with Joel as the host though.
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[20:56] <RocketBoy> Joel Veitch?
[20:57] <staylo> That would probably have worked :)
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> Joel Hodgson :)
[20:57] <RocketBoy> yeah - that guy is nuts
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[20:57] <RocketBoy> ah right
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3bFOQ-4S4
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiN6yLiif-M&feature=related xD
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[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK : are you still there?
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> and this one is nice http://www.mjpehl.com/uncategorized/a-recipe-for-good-yumminess.html
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[21:57] <Upu> Bellomondo video is up
[21:57] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9OL17ZVERw
[21:57] <Upu> anyone know what the funny noise is ?
[21:58] <jcoxon> sounds like a servo
[21:59] <Upu> didn't realise he had so many cameras on that
[21:59] <jcoxon> the down facing is cool
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon Upu
[21:59] <Upu> yep
[21:59] <Upu> evening Lunar
[22:01] <Upu> that wasn't the launch this weekend looking at it
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> but balloon performance really gets better
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> when I see that this one also came close to 40 km
[22:03] <Upu> he was doing something himself don't know what
[22:03] <Upu> Steve suggested he switch to UKHAS telemetry
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:07] <Upu> Darkside awake yet ?
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[22:18] <Darkside> Upu i am now
[22:18] <Upu> hey DS
[22:18] <Darkside> hehe, i made hackaday
[22:18] <Upu> good sleep ? :)
[22:19] <Darkside> no..
[22:19] <Upu> oh
[22:19] <Upu> quick questionthen
[22:19] <Upu> where do you get your ublox 6 chips ?
[22:20] <Darkside> i got them via a startup in the UK
[22:20] <Upu> got a link ?
[22:20] <Upu> cheapest I can find them for is £75
[22:20] <Darkside> nah, they dont sell to the public
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[22:20] <Upu> ah
[22:20] <Darkside> this was just a once off thing
[22:20] <Darkside> they got them from alpha micro components
[22:20] <Upu> ah ok thats a shame
[22:20] <Darkside> but the 20 pounds per unit price was when bought in a bulk order of 50 modules
[22:21] <Upu> ah ok I see
[22:22] <Upu> just wondering what module to use when I redesign Ava
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[22:25] <Upu> I sent them a mail see what minimum order quanties they will do
[22:25] <Upu> you still looking to ship those eval boards ?
[22:27] <Upu> if so I'll take 2 anyway I need to go to bed
[22:27] <Upu> night all
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 Upu
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again for the Bello Mondo 4 video
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi EI5GTB
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[22:40] <fsphil> Darkside, again with the HAD :p
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[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> btw fsphil you didn't answer my question if Pearl is handsome
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:44] <fsphil> Oh look is that the time
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[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Josh Taylor "[UKHAS] Re: AVA Recovery"
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