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[08:53] <fsphil> oh yea, steve's launching today
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[08:56] <NigelMoby> Moin
[08:56] <fsphil> ing
[08:56] <NigelMoby> Bah dumb phone lol hey Phil
[08:57] <fsphil> don't say that, I'm hoping to get an android phone soon
[08:58] <NigelMoby> Oo
[08:59] <fsphil> yea, airports are dull. least with this I get to do something
[09:00] <NigelMoby> :)
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[09:02] Action: SpeedEvil waves to NigelBeingStripSearched.
[09:03] Action: SpeedEvil should really try to wake up before attempting jokes.
[09:03] <SpeedEvil> I managed to read that as NigelMoby is at an airport
[09:03] <fsphil> haha
[09:04] <fsphil> I'll be in one in a few weeks
[09:04] <NigelMoby> Hah Ello speedy
[09:04] Action: SpeedEvil has been on an airplane once.
[09:05] <fsphil> they're fun
[09:05] <costyn> Fun? well takeoff and landing are fun, but the bits in between are usually cramped and take too long :)
[09:05] <fsphil> that's true
[09:05] <fsphil> most of the flights I get are pretty short
[09:05] Action: costyn has been on many many flights
[09:05] <NigelMoby> They're noisy, cold and cramped
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[09:06] <fsphil> here to scotland is a very short flight
[09:06] <costyn> noise-cancelling headphones FTW
[09:06] <fsphil> oooh
[09:06] <fsphil> good idea
[09:06] <NigelMoby> Ahh true Phil
[09:06] <fsphil> here to bristol isn't much longer I don't think
[09:06] <costyn> fsphil: good ones are expensive, but really worth; they work really well. Work really well in datacenters too; same kind of noise
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[09:07] <fsphil> I've had a series of cheap pairs costyn, all of them awful
[09:08] <NigelMoby> I had some lovely headphones. Sony ones I used for djing, then the gf got hold of them......
[09:08] <costyn> My wife bought me some $200+ ones from Sony, they're very good
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[09:13] <SpeedEvil> I bought some new ones.
[09:13] <SpeedEvil> 399, paid yesterday, arrived today.
[09:13] <SpeedEvil> 3.99
[09:13] <NigelMoby> :o
[09:14] <NigelMoby> Mine were 130quid :(
[09:14] <SpeedEvil> I want some nice ones, but I'm wierd and want nice ones to my unusual definition.
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth, foldable, good - but variable - noise exclusion.
[09:15] <fsphil> using a cheapy pair of sonys right now, not bad but not great
[09:16] <fsphil> I remember trying a really good set once, couldn't hear anything at all around me
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[09:17] <fsphil> it feels odd too, like having your ears sucked out :)
[09:17] <SpeedEvil> The ones that came with my n900 are surprisingly good.
[09:17] <SpeedEvil> To me at least.
[09:17] <SpeedEvil> They are good enough thtat I can comfortably use powertools in them without increasing the vlume significantly.
[09:18] <fsphil> not bad
[09:18] <SpeedEvil> Strimmer, for example.
[09:18] <SpeedEvil> (petrol)
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[09:29] <costyn> GW8RAK/XABEN is launching at around 11:00 GMT right?
[09:29] <GW8RAK> Morning costyn, yes I think that is the plan. At work so can't listen in unfortunately
[09:29] <costyn> GW8RAK: heh, so wait... who's launching it for you?
[09:30] <GW8RAK> It's not my balloon
[09:30] <costyn> oh wait
[09:30] <costyn> G8KHW != GW8RAK haha
[09:30] <costyn> sorry my bad
[09:31] <GW8RAK> No problems.
[09:31] <costyn> :)
[09:39] <fsphil> the scheduled launch time is always optimistic :)
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[09:40] <Upu> ISH time..
[09:42] <daveake> To misquote Douglas Adams ... "Time is but an illusion. Launchtime doubly so"
[09:43] <fsphil> ah, good old DNA
[09:43] <costyn> daveake: heheh :)
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[10:00] <NigeyS> ffs
[10:00] Nick change: NigeyS -> IAMNOTGOD
[10:03] <fsphil> Zuul problems again?
[10:09] <IAMNOTGOD> kinda
[10:09] <IAMNOTGOD> devs think i can work miracles
[10:09] <IAMNOTGOD> like no, if YOUR script just screwed up the server that's YOUR fault not MINE ! :@
[10:11] <fsphil> root is a kind of god ;-)
[10:11] <fsphil> the vengeful kind usually
[10:11] <IAMNOTGOD> haha true, i just keep repeating "Dont P*ss off the sysadmin, i can make you're life hell" ;)
[10:13] <fsphil> make a good ghostbusters t-shirt that .. "why yes, I am a god"
[10:14] <IAMNOTGOD> haha thats not a bad idea!!
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[10:51] <fsphil> we're well into ISH time now
[10:51] <captain_> any news?
[10:52] <fsphil> nothing so far
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[11:14] <WillDuckworth> anyone seen this transmitter? http://www.radiometrix.com/content/tx2s
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[11:35] <costyn> WillDuckworth: that's tiny!
[11:35] <WillDuckworth> are you going to the conference costyn?
[11:35] <costyn> WillDuckworth: no, I'm in NL, don't think I'll make the trip only for the conference :)
[11:36] <WillDuckworth> no worries. going to investigate some of these smaller radios
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[11:42] <costyn> WillDuckworth: I'm sticking to the beaten path; I think getting all the electronics to work with eachother will be complicated enough; being able to ask others who built the same setup questions is nice :)
[11:45] <fsphil> it's very low power, but weight savings might make it worth it
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[11:47] <daveake> NTX2 is 5g, so yes you could save 2-3g :)
[11:48] <costyn> lol
[11:48] <fsphil> when the ntx2 is bigger than the flight computer, getting smaller is important :)
[11:48] <daveake> :)
[11:49] <daveake> I still think less power --> smaller batteries is a bigger factor for most small payloads
[11:49] <fsphil> batteries are the killer
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[11:50] <daveake> So get the power down so you can use AAAs, and use a low-dropout reg with everything at 3V3 so you only need 3 cells
[11:51] <fsphil> or a step-up supply, run it of 2x aaa's
[11:51] <daveake> The Arduino Mini Pro 3V3 runs down to less than 3.1V going in
[11:51] <daveake> True
[11:51] <Darkside> daveake: but your GPS might not
[11:51] <fsphil> might even be more efficient than a regulator
[11:51] <daveake> Lassen IQ does :p
[11:52] <daveake> Lassen drops out at 3.08V battery; Arduino at 3.07V. At that point the batteries have very little capacity anyway
[11:53] <daveake> fsphil: Yes, switcher may well be the best option. I tend to be wary of those because of noise generation, but I'm sure that can be done properly.
[11:56] <fsphil> I usually avoid them because they're a bit complicated - though single modules are available
[11:56] <daveake> Yeah, I can just about get my head around a 3-pin linear ;-)
[11:57] <daveake> (I jest, but my electronics is a bit rusty)
[11:58] <costyn> well XABEN is officially now quite late :)
[11:58] <daveake> Still at home by the look of it!
[11:59] <daveake> Ah, no updates. Hopefully he's at or near Elsworth
[12:00] <costyn> daveake: are you looking at spacenear.us or elsewhere?
[12:00] <daveake> Yes, there
[12:01] <costyn> is there any API documentation available for spacenear.us?
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[12:07] <GW8RAK> WillDuckworth, remember to look at the licence free regulations before choosing the tx. It would have saved me a lot time.
[12:08] <GW8RAK> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/research-guidelines-tech-info/interface-requirements/IR2030final.pdf
[12:10] <WillDuckworth> cheers GW8RAK, will do
[12:11] <GW8RAK> There are a lot of licence free bands, but not many suitable for us
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[12:14] <WillDuckworth> it really is 434.04  434.79 MHz @ 10mW
[12:16] <fsphil> and don't use a yagi :)
[12:19] <Upu> I did get the date correct didn't about Steves launch
[12:20] <Rob_M0DTS> The TX2S module uses the same IC as the quasar modules i have played with, stability is average so not as good as the ntx2 and you have to modify it to get correct. rtty shift.
[12:20] <fsphil> Upu, yea that's what his email said
[12:23] <fsphil> "Industrial/ Commercial Telemetry and Tele-command" -- would this be valid for what we transmit?
[12:24] <fsphil> ah n/m, not for airborne use
[12:26] <GW8RAK> There's no definition about what consitutes Industrial/Commercial in the document on first reading
[12:28] <Upu> Ok question. Do you think we could utilise a 300mW HX1 transmitter (2meter) when the payload is on the ground ?
[12:28] <Upu> I'm thinking when the payload has landed it switched to the higher power transmitter
[12:29] <Upu> technically onces its down its not capable of flight and therefore inline with the license
[12:29] <fsphil> definitely yea
[12:30] <GW8RAK> If there are no restrictions on unattended operation, then yes. And since 300mW won't go far, it's very unlikely anyone would find out
[12:30] <GW8RAK> As a rough guide, a beacon I made a few years ago with a wire aerial lying in the grass could be easily detected at at about 500m with 200mW output
[12:31] <Upu> I'm just thinking onces its down having a higher powered module may be an option
[12:33] <fsphil> there's also a 40.66 - 40.70 MHz range with same limitations as the 434mhz ones. 10mw, non specific, no duty
[12:33] <GW8RAK> I wonder what Radio Frequency Identification is?
[12:33] <fsphil> don't think anyone makes modules for that frequency though
[12:33] <fsphil> RFID maybe?
[12:33] <GW8RAK> Callsign, altitude, speed, position? A balloon?
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[12:35] <fsphil> hehe, 2 watts on 865mhz
[12:35] <Futurity> Hi, I see that HOWEST is due to launch at 13:30 (GMT+2) on Thursday. Can someone confirm that this is 16:30 UK time?
[12:35] <costyn> Futurity: that's be 11:30 GMT
[12:35] <GW8RAK> You've noticed fsphil! :)
[12:36] <fsphil> isn't that 11:30 BST?
[12:36] <costyn> euh, not sure about BST :)
[12:36] <GW8RAK> No, that's 12.30BST
[12:36] <costyn> oh ok... so BST = GMT+1 ?
[12:36] <GW8RAK> We are GMT+1
[12:36] <fsphil> ah right
[12:36] Action: fsphil slaps self
[12:37] <Futurity> That'll teach me to trust an online time conversion page
[12:37] <costyn> hehe
[12:37] <costyn> Futurity: 13:30 CET (GMT+2) = 12:30 BST
[12:37] <Futurity> ok and will we still be in BST on Thursday?
[12:37] <fsphil> yep
[12:37] <Futurity> i tend to find out about BST changes the day after they happen
[12:37] <costyn> Futurity: yes, BST goes to GMT last sunday of october
[12:38] <fsphil> be nice if we just stuck with gmt
[12:38] <Futurity> Wow Summer in October! Crazy
[12:38] <Futurity> i agree GMT all the time would be better
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[12:41] <costyn> amazing that HOWEST is launching again so soon
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[12:53] <fsphil> xaben is on the map
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[12:53] <daveake> Yep
[12:54] <daveake> I don't think I'll be tracking today .... :p
[12:55] <daveake> 1840km might be stretching the capabilities somewhat ...
[12:57] <WillDuckworth> where are you daveake?
[12:57] <daveake> 1840km from Cambridge :p
[12:57] <daveake> Konya, Turkey
[12:57] <WillDuckworth> yeah - a little far
[12:57] <daveake> Working here till Thursday; flying home Friday
[12:58] <daveake> Cooler here this week than the UK
[13:00] <fsphil> damp but warm here anyway
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[13:09] <Zuph> Morning, #highaltitude
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[13:15] <fsphil> ironically I'm afraid of great heights
[13:15] <WillDuckworth> how about this for a payload container? http://www.polycraftsupplies.co.uk/polystyrene-balls-290-mm-polystyrene-ball-p-86.html?osCsid=ee3d459d44eece79ee050e408c03e165
[13:15] <fsphil> balls!
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[13:16] <costyn> WillDuckworth: might as well go for the heart shape then, why not? :P
[13:16] <WillDuckworth> hehe
[13:17] <daveake> Buzz is partly made from one of the 100mm ones
[13:17] <daveake> ball, not heart-shaped :p
[13:20] <costyn> XABEN is on the move
[13:21] <daveake> oh good :)
[13:22] <fsphil> it's alive!
[13:24] <costyn> sort of...
[13:27] <costyn> is it me or are there no more updates coming in?
[13:30] <fsphil> not just you
[13:31] <fsphil> hopefully just rocketboy being offline
[13:31] <fsphil> should know if someone else picks it up
[13:31] <daveake> Has anyone used one of the larger gas cylinders ... say an N30 @ 49kg or L @ £76kg? If so, just how much of a PITA are they to move around?
[13:32] <Upu> 434.648
[13:32] <Upu> 474 shift
[13:32] <Upu> 1893 feet
[13:32] <Upu> got it
[13:33] <Upu> meters
[13:33] <daveake> Ah, you're showing as a receiver now
[13:33] <costyn> it just updated on spacenear too
[13:33] <costyn> ah yea
[13:33] <fsphil> good, just steve loosing coverage then
[13:33] <daveake> Would be a surprise for Steve to have a payload issue
[13:33] <Upu> not bad considering I can't hear it :/
[13:33] <Upu> streaming isn't working
[13:33] <daveake> lol :)
[13:34] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[13:34] <costyn> slow ascent compared to HOWEST
[13:34] <daveake> 2m/s .... going for an altitude record I wonder?
[13:37] <fsphil> uh-oh
[13:38] <fsphil> if so, I hope he gets it. but at the same time it makes it more difficult for my attempt :)
[13:38] <daveake> ditto and ditto :)
[13:38] <costyn> :)
[13:39] <daveake> I think that with the Hwoyee float-then-boat balloons, there will probably be a few records over the next few months
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[13:40] <fsphil> my radio is setup but with some extra rg58 in the cable. wonder if that'll reduce the signal much
[13:41] <fsphil> hehe, I left it running easypal overnight and still haven't received a picture
[13:42] <W0OTM> Howdy
[13:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> afternoon
[13:48] <fsphil> 'lo W0OTM
[13:48] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil-2I0VIM
[13:49] <Dan-K2VOL> not too many receivers on today
[13:49] <W0OTM> hi fsphil-2I0VIM
[13:50] <Dan-K2VOL> morning W0OTM
[13:50] <fsphil-2I0VIM> could be because it's a weekday launch
[13:50] <W0OTM> morning Dan-K2VOL
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[13:50] <Laurenceb_> is there a way to wipe the early data?
[13:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I only know of a way to clear all of it
[13:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> too late now :)
[13:53] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[13:53] Nick change: fsphil-2I0VIM -> fsphil_2I0VIM
[13:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> :p
[13:55] <Dan-K2VOL> any luck on getting things together to talk to Prospero?
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[14:01] <WillDuckworth> that Prospero thing looks interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14783135
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[14:06] <zachjacobs> anyone else having issues with http://habhub.org/predict/ ?
[14:06] <zachjacobs> map doesn't generate for me...
[14:06] <W0OTM> worked for me this morning
[14:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> fine here zachjacobs
[14:07] <zachjacobs> weird...I'll keep trying. thanks.
[14:15] <daveake> Worked for me too, earlier today
[14:15] <SamSilver_> zachjacobs: predictor worked right now for me
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[14:15] <costyn> is the XABEN indicated temperature inside or outside temp>
[14:15] <costyn> ?
[14:16] <SamSilver_> looks a bit warm for outside
[14:16] <x-f> should be inside
[14:16] <costyn> that's what I was thinking :)
[14:17] <SamSilver_> k21ft if brass monkey stuuf
[14:18] <SamSilver_> if = is
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[14:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.650 is oddly clear today
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[14:29] <Elwell> ooooh someone flogging a go-pro on the list at work
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> hardly any wind
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[14:36] <W0OTM> is there a launch today?
[14:37] <W0OTM> iHAB-7 launch this Sunday - http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/
[14:37] <costyn> W0OTM: check the tracker: spacenear.us/tracker XABEN is up at the moment
[14:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep its up no
[14:39] <W0OTM> ok, thx
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[14:40] <SamSilver_> W0OTM: what is a NS-40 40M Transmitter ?
[14:40] <SamSilver_> I get the 40M transmitter part
[14:40] <W0OTM> Its a QRP kit put together by the 4 States QRP Group
[14:41] <SamSilver_> NS-40?
[14:41] <W0OTM> thats just what they call it
[14:41] <SamSilver_> I will search thanx
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[14:41] <W0OTM> http://www.wa0itp.com/ns40.html
[14:42] <SamSilver_> ta
[14:42] <SamSilver_> AAhh I have seen that before niffty
[14:42] <SamSilver_> very smart
[14:43] <W0OTM> The 4SQRP Group REALLY support the iHAB Project, so I like to fly as much of their stuff as I can
[14:43] <W0OTM> NS stands for None Simpler, so this is the None Simpler 40 Meter Transmiter
[14:44] <SamSilver_> the inductors stand out
[14:44] <SamSilver_> or rather don't stand out
[14:44] <SamSilver_> if you know what I mean
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> W0OTM: A single programmable frequency standard with on-off keying
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> W0OTM: 3*3mm, one part, and that's it
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> (neglecting filters of course)
[14:47] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: very simple
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[14:50] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_Payload1_6.jpg
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[14:51] <x-f> it's coming down
[14:52] <costyn> yea... what gives?
[14:52] <SamSilver_> W0OTM: what is that at top left in the pic
[14:52] <W0OTM> keyer
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> why is it coming down?!
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[14:53] <SamSilver_> W0OTM: as in it will be Morse out callsign ?
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[14:54] <W0OTM> "W0OTM iHAB-7 High Altitude Balloon"
[14:54] <SamSilver_> Just callsign?
[14:54] <W0OTM> sample audio - http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_BeaconSample.mp3
[14:54] <SamSilver_> ta
[14:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst ?
[14:58] <costyn> or premature cutdown?
[14:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> deliberate ?
[14:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> who knows :)
[15:01] <SamSilver_> W0OTM: what antenna will be on the NS-40 ? how long?
[15:01] <W0OTM> 66ft long wire
[15:02] <SamSilver_> wow
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> lighting dealt with how?
[15:05] <SamSilver_> by a beeeg flash
[15:06] <NigeyS> 66ft? WTF?!
[15:07] <GW8RAK> W0OTM is that 66ft overall, fed in the centre?
[15:07] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: lighting?
[15:07] <W0OTM> GW8RAK: Yes, 66ft end fed wire
[15:07] <SamSilver_> half wave
[15:08] <GW8RAK> Have you got a matching coil in the payload? A half wave will have a high impedance
[15:08] <W0OTM> GW8RAK: http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-7/iHAB-7_Payload1_7.jpg
[15:09] <GW8RAK> Nice one. Thanks
[15:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> fading a little now
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> W0OTM: lightning
[15:11] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: what lightening?
[15:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$$$$ABEN,48515:10:53,52.22385,0.48511,2433,9.3,761.21,5;5;0;1;1.2*3020
[15:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> last line if it helps
[15:12] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[15:14] <costyn> not gonna be landing on the village square apparently :)
[15:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 12km? that's still possibly a record :)
[15:18] <costyn> fsphil_2I0VIM: lowest burst alti? :P
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[15:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> normally that's enough
[15:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> are there any messages?
[15:56] Nick change: fsphil_2I0VIM -> fsphil
[15:58] <Dutch-Mill> yes status=Error
[15:59] <fsphil> lol. love those helpful messages dl-fldigi has ;)
[15:59] <Dutch-Mill> yee lol ;)
[16:00] <fsphil> I'm not sure. unless there's something different about the nmea strings it's sending out
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[16:01] <Dutch-Mill> Try it on my desktop later... thanks for the support
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[16:35] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: are you Dutch?
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[16:56] <jcoxon> evening
[17:01] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[17:03] <Dutch-Mill> costyn..
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[17:21] <x-f> XABEN had an internal heater?
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[17:35] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: ?
[17:36] <mattltm> Marco?
[17:36] <costyn> x-f: didn't seem like it, or the external temp was balmy all the way up (the temp readings were too cold for inside and too hot for outside afaik)
[17:37] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: just asking as a Dutch person myself :)
[17:48] <fsphil> We went to Holland on a school trip once, great place
[17:49] <costyn> fsphil: thx :D
[17:49] <fsphil> and just to show my age, I saw 2 Unlimited getting photos taken :)
[17:52] <costyn> fsphil: hehe ok :) yes,
[17:52] <costyn> "school trip" does make you sound young
[17:53] <fsphil> it was in the 90's :)
[17:54] <daveake> Oh, now *I* feel old .... :p
[17:55] <fsphil> lol
[17:55] <fsphil> it was the year there where big droughts everywhere
[17:55] <fsphil> it didn't rain for months
[17:56] <daveake> I thought that was 1976 :)
[17:56] <daveake> (and yes I was at school then)
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[18:26] <Dutch-Mill> costyn : Ben je er nog en idd ik ben Nederlands
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[18:43] <Upu> evening
[18:44] <fsphil> ello Upu
[18:45] <Upu> we heard from Steve ?
[18:45] <daveake> evening
[18:46] <fsphil> nothing in channel, but I see on the tracker it landed in a field
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:48] <fsphil> hullo LL
[18:49] <daveake> LO LL
[18:49] <daveake> Just written up cloud2 - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=144
[18:49] <fsphil> don't have an android phone yet, but a mate of mine was showing me a great program on his that had loads of electronic calculators
[18:50] <fsphil> like resistors colours, dividers, filters n' all
[18:51] <fsphil> ooh snap with the magmount, have the very same one
[18:51] <daveake> :)
[18:53] <daveake> Small and powerful magnet
[18:53] <fsphil> it works great, I never lost the signal when chasing
[18:54] <daveake> ditto
[18:54] <Upu> shame that was lost daveake
[18:54] <fsphil> is that a nasa t-shirt? or dasa? :)
[18:54] <daveake> yep :(
[18:54] <daveake> LOL
[18:54] <daveake> NASA
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil: about the android
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> wolframalpha *cough*
[18:55] <Laurenceb> egoalpha
[18:56] <Upu> whens wolframbeta coming out ?
[18:56] Action: Upu disclaimer I'm joking
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:57] <Laurenceb> wolframgamma
[18:57] <fsphil> yea but this is on a phone, for when I absolutely need the size of a resistor to make an RC filter for 20khz when I don't have internet access :)
[18:57] <daveake> :)
[18:57] <fsphil> you got to be prepared ;)
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[18:58] <Upu> fsphil drop this inline with a NTX2 ? http://www.radiometrix.com/content/lmt2
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> didn't they want to make a payed "Premium" version of WolframAlpha?
[19:02] <fsphil> ooh a little multi-channel transmitter
[19:02] <Upu> no its an amp
[19:02] <Upu> hang on
[19:02] <Upu> linked wrong thing
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for the text daveake
[19:03] <fsphil> yea great pics
[19:03] <Upu> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/afs2-0
[19:03] <fsphil> looked like you had a good day, despite the loss
[19:03] <Upu> that
[19:05] <fsphil> *5 .. would get 50mw from an ntx2
[19:06] <Upu> or 250mw from a NTX2 HP :)
[19:07] <fsphil> if only we could :)
[19:07] <fsphil> 9600 baud would be easy
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[19:09] <Upu> silly rule really
[19:10] <fsphil> I can understand it on the license-free bit
[19:10] <fsphil> a lot of devices live there
[19:12] <fsphil> though there is no reason a small section couldn't be set aside for higher power devices
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> hey
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> the guy who hacked seeedstudio also hacked another site on Sep. 25
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> there is a discussion on that on Orbiter Forum
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[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> today I got three SMA connectors in a DIN A4 box (22x29 cm)
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> box was full of styrofoam peanuts, little bag with SMA connectors and the invoice
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> apparently they wanted to put that in without folding
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> but that was definitely oversized
[19:32] <staylo> Hmm, are you still allowed to feel smugly superior to people who've spent hundreds of hours building simpits of fictional spacecraft, even if you really want one yourself?
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[19:34] <daveake> evening_____ ed___
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> btw daveake
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> on the inflation photo
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> who are you?
[19:35] <daveake> Yes..................
[19:35] <eroomde> hi daveake
[19:35] <daveake> Are you a stalker? LOL
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:35] <eroomde> so guys
[19:35] <daveake> I'm the one in the NASA shirt
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> no just of interest
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> and your team
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> THE TEAM
[19:36] <eroomde> has anyone ever seen david miller and kim jong-ill together at the same time?
[19:36] <daveake> Indeed :)
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:36] <eroomde> because i have a theory about this that might explain a lot
[19:36] <daveake> which is..?
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD btw because of stalking daveake
[19:36] <eroomde> they are one and the same
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> I'd black out the phone number in photo 3
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:37] <daveake> :)
[19:37] <eroomde> 'aaah naah! another barroon apprication? have you any idea how fucking busy I am?'
[19:37] <daveake> LOL
[19:38] <daveake> Actually he was quite helpful this week. I wanted a date in a couple of weeks, and he said if I put in my application PDQ he'd do it in time.
[19:38] <Upu> lol eroomde
[19:38] <eroomde> nice of him
[19:38] <daveake> I thought so
[19:38] <eroomde> i'm looking at somewhere new
[19:38] <eroomde> near oxford
[19:38] <daveake> I'm near Oxford
[19:38] <daveake> ish
[19:38] <eroomde> we're applying for chalgrove
[19:38] <eroomde> just near watlington
[19:38] <daveake> Yep
[19:39] <daveake> My 1st balloon landed in Watlington
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah the tower in the launch photo is a water tower?
[19:39] <eroomde> nice
[19:39] <eroomde> i used to live right by watlington
[19:39] <eroomde> i'm in ox proper now
[19:39] <daveake> Yes. Missed it by, well, actually I think it hit it
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:40] <daveake> If I ever do get the payload back, I really hope it has a video of the payload rushing along between the trees and up the tower
[19:40] <eroomde> i need to write my talk
[19:41] <daveake> And of course i want the video at the end, where it hits the North Sea at 45kph
[19:41] <eroomde> might settle in for the eve and do that
[19:41] <Randomskk> haha oh man, talks
[19:41] <eroomde> otherwise the next two weeks are gonna fly
[19:41] <Randomskk> seriously
[19:42] <daveake> eroomde my 1st payload landed in Howe Hill, about 1 mile N of Watlington
[19:42] <Randomskk> hey eroomde I've cooked up a fantastic system for the soc fair signups
[19:42] <Randomskk> rfid card reader
[19:42] <eroomde> nice
[19:42] <Randomskk> you just swipe your uni card on the reader and get added to the list
[19:42] <eroomde> just rip the crsid?
[19:42] <Randomskk> yup
[19:42] <Randomskk> it's stored on the card
[19:42] <eroomde> mega
[19:42] <eroomde> oh man
[19:42] <Randomskk> yea, it's gonna make us look like such a hip and happening soc
[19:43] <Randomskk> there's a webapp that goes with it, has an autoupdating list of recent signups plus a textbox for manual email entry
[19:43] <eroomde> i was chopping scotch bonnets for a meal
[19:43] <eroomde> and have just fiddled with my nose before having washed my hands
[19:43] <eroomde> WHY DO I NEVER LEARN
[19:43] <Randomskk> oh rookie
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> 'nose'
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[19:43] <eroomde> thanks SpeedEvil
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Wiping hands with vegetable oil, then washing off works
[19:44] Action: Laurenceb kills 2 kittens
[19:46] <Laurenceb> i think ive actually done it https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/blob/master/i2c_int.c
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[19:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:47] <Upu> http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/280/God-kills-kitten.jpg?1242863002
[19:47] <Laurenceb> stm32 i2c is possible the most annoying piece of hardware ever
[19:47] <Upu> dunno what you're up to Laurenceb....
[19:48] <Laurenceb> Upu: stm32f1xx
[19:48] <Upu> ah ok
[19:48] <Laurenceb> i might be better off accepting its a failure and buy an f4
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[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> daveake: what is "Little Chef"?
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> It's a chain of eateries.
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> They do not, however, only employ midget chefs.
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[20:09] <fsphil> there are none near here. are they any good?
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[20:10] Action: SpeedEvil ponders the last time he ate food he diddn't cook himself.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> At least a year - I think.
[20:16] <staylo> Little Chefs are pretty terrible in my experience :)
[20:16] <daveake> Yep. I preferred to stay in the car tracking. I left the others to fill their faces :)
[20:17] <fsphil> aaah
[20:17] <fsphil> not missing much then :)
[20:17] <daveake> Nope :)
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[20:23] <daveake> I asked this earlier, but since we have different people on now maybe someone will have an answer this time :-). Has anyone used one of the larger helium cylinders (e.g. N30 or L), and if so was it OK to lug around or do you now have permanent back pain? :p
[20:25] <daveake> So far I've just used smaller ones - around 25-30kg when full. N30 is double that and L is triple.
[20:25] <fsphil> BOC's T cylinder is 34g I think, I wouldn't want to be lifting more
[20:25] <daveake> 34g? Amazing ;)
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[20:26] <fsphil> +k ;)
[20:26] <daveake> Must be all that helium LOL
[20:26] <fsphil> btw, that's jupiter below the moon in your photo
[20:27] <fsphil> hehe, friend at the launch did ask if it got heavier as we used it up
[20:27] <daveake> LOL
[20:27] <daveake> Jupiter? Thanks, I didn't know!
[20:28] <fsphil> it's really well placed right now, I needa dig out my old telescope
[20:28] <daveake> I do have a "sack truck" but getting a large cylinder on and off it has to be a 2-man job I think
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[20:35] <fsphil> hmm.. gnome-shell is using 40% of my computers memory
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[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> "So, we spent a short time at the beach, got some fish & chips, then headed home."
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[20:37] <daveake> Yeah. £400 those fish&chips cost me :p
[20:38] <fsphil> what are the odds a fisherman finds cloud2 in the net
[20:39] <Upu> it'll wash up eventually
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[20:40] <daveake> Someone (can't remember who) said here at the time that he'd lost a payload a few miles from where mine landed, and that it turned up 3 weeks later.
[20:40] <daveake> I did call the backup tracker every day (well, many times a day at first!) for a while, but no response
[20:41] <daveake> It had a label with name and number on it. It wasn't a waterproof label (next time it will be!) but I put an identical one on some duct tape and then into a bowl of salted water when I got home. It's still readable, but faded.
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:49] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Re: 2nd Launch Howest"
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[20:51] <Upu> thats some pretty impressive recovery hardware for HOWEST
[20:52] <daveake> [jealous]
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[21:12] <fsphil> Looks like they're going one-up Tim
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[21:23] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: 2nd Launch Howest"
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[21:38] <natrium42> double email!
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[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> gn8
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[21:57] <M0ZOO> Well, Worcester Radio Amateurs Association had is first SOAR meeting tonight, and payload details etc discussed. We are hoping to have the final design completed early in the New Year
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