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[04:23] <The-Compiler> akawaka: fix your connection
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[05:13] <akawaka> sorry about that
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[05:40] <test> hellooo?
[05:41] <test> anybody active at this hour?
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[06:13] <SamSilver_> I am semi active at the mo
[06:13] <SamSilver_> waiting for third cupa coffee to work
[06:14] <SamSilver_> lol I did not notice that he had left
[06:24] <Upu> morning
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[06:37] <WillDMobile> Rain
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[07:02] <Upu> morning Will
[07:02] <Upu> still launching ?
[07:07] <Upu> let me know if you want the tracker clearing
[07:07] <WillDMobile> Filling now :) yeah clear please
[07:08] <WillDMobile> Maybe email chase pword too?
[07:09] <Upu> PM'd
[07:10] <WillDMobile> Cheers
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[07:10] <Upu> there you go map cleared and set for you
[07:11] <Upu> morning fsphil
[07:13] <fsphil-laptop> morning Upu
[07:20] <Upu> WillDMobile
[07:20] <Upu> wdhabmini isn't set up in the payload list
[07:22] Nick change: Upu -> Upu-2E0UPU
[07:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Weekend Launch (24th/25th Sept) - WDHAB"
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[07:29] <WillDMobile> Not to worry too much. Having trouble getting alt reading and just run out of gas all good fun
[07:35] <daveake> Do you have enough gas?
[07:35] <WillDMobile> Wanted 4 kg lift but got 3 ish
[07:36] <daveake> Is the flight still OK with that amount?
[07:36] <daveake> (sounds a lot btw)
[07:38] <WillDMobile> Yep
[07:38] <Upu-2E0UPU> nothing on map yet WillDMobile are you recieving at that end ?
[07:38] <daveake> Cool. 'cos I have 0.5-1 cubic metre left in a cylinder here, so if you were stuck ...
[07:39] <fsphil-laptop> WillDMobile, is wdhabmini using exactly the same string format as wdhab?
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[07:46] <WillDMobile> Yes, if that could be set u up please
[07:46] <WillDMobile> Will launch both but wdhab not got alt yet :(
[07:47] <fsphil-laptop> oh eck
[07:49] <EI5GTB> what times the baby goin up then?
[07:50] <Upu-2E0UPU> when it gets a GPS altitude I think
[07:51] <fsphil-laptop> wdhabmini is on the list (yay)
[07:51] <fsphil-laptop> I didn't break it :)
[07:54] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, 45km already
[07:55] <daveake> Take that Darkside ;)
[07:57] <fsphil-laptop> nice big field they're in
[07:57] <fsphil-laptop> well, beside.
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[07:58] <daveake> well, above.
[07:58] <EI5GTB> any predictions on a landing site?
[07:58] <fsphil-laptop> is it just me or does the balloon icon keep disappearing?
[07:58] <daveake> Disappeared here as I zoomed in
[07:58] <fsphil-laptop> morning GW8RAK
[07:58] <EI5GTB> yea, gone for me
[07:59] <daveake> The balloon shadow is showing
[07:59] <fsphil-laptop> the shadow is still there
[07:59] <fsphil-laptop> must be the 45km altitude
[07:59] <Upu-2E0UPU> ok for me
[07:59] <fsphil-laptop> playing tricks with the code
[07:59] <daveake> 9999999m altitude
[07:59] <daveake> max
[07:59] <fsphil-laptop> first lunar hab
[07:59] <Upu-2E0UPU> let me know when the altitude sorts itself out and I'll wipe the tracker again :)
[07:59] <daveake> lol
[08:00] <GW8RAK> Morning fsphil-laptop
[08:00] <fsphil-laptop> aah the altitude thing is limited to 45km
[08:01] <fsphil-laptop> the payload has always been reporting 9999999m
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[08:04] <WillDMobile> On way
[08:04] <Upu-2E0UPU> in the air ?
[08:05] <WillDMobile> Yeah sod it
[08:05] <fsphil-laptop> it certainly is
[08:05] <WillDMobile> Mini has alt
[08:05] <Upu-2E0UPU> you're not claiming the record :)
[08:06] <WillDMobile> Lol
[08:06] <WillDMobile> Gettimg breaky
[08:07] <Upu-2E0UPU> let me know when it tops 2km
[08:07] <fsphil-laptop> not seeing any telemetry
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[08:10] <GW8RAK> Morning again fsphil-laptop. PC decided to reboot itself
[08:10] <fsphil-laptop> hate that
[08:10] <WillDMobile> Just fimding some power for laptop
[08:10] <fsphil-laptop> though I feel like rebooting myself many mornings :)
[08:10] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil-2I0VIM
[08:11] <GW8RAK> It's an old bitsa pc, and very unreliable
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[08:11] <GW8RAK> Has the launch happened? Just got rubbish on spacenear.us
[08:11] <Upu-2E0UPU> its up
[08:11] <Upu-2E0UPU> GPS is reporting wrong altitude
[08:11] <Upu-2E0UPU> I'll switch to second payload when it comes in range
[08:12] <fsphil-2I0VIM> anything yet?
[08:12] <Upu-2E0UPU> negative
[08:12] <GW8RAK> Has it only just launched?
[08:12] <Upu-2E0UPU> no idea on altitude or ascent or what altitude I can recieve at from there
[08:12] <fsphil-2I0VIM> launched about 10m ago
[08:13] <GW8RAK> Only got a short track here.
[08:13] <fsphil-2I0VIM> on the map it looks fairly level with cambridge
[08:13] <Upu-2E0UPU> ffs
[08:13] <GW8RAK> Thanks phil, not missed it.
[08:13] <Upu-2E0UPU> some shit face massive local interferance on 075
[08:13] <daveake> opposite here
[08:13] <fsphil-2I0VIM> and that's normally the quiet one
[08:14] <daveake> Single freq near .650
[08:14] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I've got some regular but short bursts of noice
[08:14] <fsphil-2I0VIM> noise
[08:14] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I suspect the new smoke alarms we have are on 434mhz
[08:14] <Upu-2E0UPU> occasionally I get a really strong signal that moves down the frequency range
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[08:17] <GW8RAK> Is anyone getting a good signal? Spacenear.us isn't reporting anyone
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[08:17] <fsphil-2I0VIM> seems not
[08:17] <daveake> not here
[08:17] <Upu-2E0UPU> nothing atm
[08:18] <GW8RAK> Haven't got normal aerial up, so not a good situation here
[08:18] <daveake> Just about getting 2 very faint lines at the right gap. Might be something else. No decoding yet
[08:19] <Upu-2E0UPU> think I can hear it just
[08:19] <Upu-2E0UPU> yes got it
[08:19] <daveake> freq?
[08:19] <Upu-2E0UPU> 434.648.92
[08:19] <Upu-2E0UPU> shift is off
[08:19] <fsphil-2I0VIM> lsb?
[08:19] <Upu-2E0UPU> USB
[08:20] <Upu-2E0UPU> its very very faint
[08:20] <fsphil-2I0VIM> you might need to play with the Rv button, the original email mentioned lsb
[08:20] <Upu-2E0UPU> can hear mini too
[08:20] <daveake> freq?
[08:20] <Upu-2E0UPU> will focus on that one
[08:20] <Upu-2E0UPU> 434.074.16
[08:21] <daveake> ta
[08:21] <Upu-2E0UPU> mini shift is way out
[08:21] <Upu-2E0UPU> and its drifting frequency
[08:22] <Upu-2E0UPU> mini is drifting so quick I'm having to retune constantyly
[08:23] <Upu-2E0UPU> thats well odd
[08:23] <Upu-2E0UPU> mini shift = 290
[08:24] <Upu-2E0UPU> lost main one
[08:25] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that's not good
[08:26] <Upu-2E0UPU> WDHAB 434.54907 shift ~ 360
[08:26] <daveake> wow
[08:26] <Upu-2E0UPU> 649 sorry
[08:26] <daveake> ah :)
[08:26] <Upu-2E0UPU> RV needs to be checked
[08:27] <Upu-2E0UPU> I think
[08:27] <Upu-2E0UPU> its very weak
[08:28] <Upu-2E0UPU> confirm RV should be checked
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[08:29] <Upu-2E0UPU> getting partial strings now
[08:29] <jcoxon> morning
[08:29] <WillDMobile> The mini is very bare bones, shift is dropping all the time. Nothing like a challenge. Sorry guys
[08:29] <Upu-2E0UPU> morning
[08:30] <Upu-2E0UPU> its frequency is constantly dropping too WillDMobile
[08:30] <Upu-2E0UPU> I'll flick across to it when I start getting stronger signal from WDHAB
[08:30] <Upu-2E0UPU> I can hear it but its weak
[08:30] <Upu-2E0UPU> err
[08:30] <Upu-2E0UPU> ok I take that back
[08:31] <Upu-2E0UPU> its stopped transmitting :/
[08:31] <Upu-2E0UPU> no there it goes
[08:31] <Upu-2E0UPU> is it meant to stop
[08:31] <fsphil-2I0VIM> !
[08:31] <WillDMobile> Typical
[08:31] <Upu-2E0UPU> carrier ....
[08:31] <Upu-2E0UPU> data
[08:32] <Upu-2E0UPU> NPGPS
[08:32] <Upu-2E0UPU> is that bad ? :)
[08:32] <Upu-2E0UPU> WDHAB,/NoGPS/232,08:30:02,52.27546,-2.01907,9999999,0,16;246;-15;0*22
[08:32] <daveake> What's the gap on wdhab?
[08:32] <Upu-2E0UPU> No GPS lock ?
[08:32] <daveake> Lots of noise lines to choose from here
[08:33] <Upu-2E0UPU> lemmie flick to the othe rpayload
[08:33] <WillDMobile> Cheers guys. Out of battery here for a bit
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[08:35] <jcoxon> any success?
[08:35] <Upu-2E0UPU> nah
[08:35] <jcoxon> also whats with the crazy altitude
[08:35] <jcoxon> Upu-2E0UPU, on both payloads?
[08:35] <Upu-2E0UPU> frequency was falling so quickly I was having to correct it by constantly retuning
[08:35] <Upu-2E0UPU> can hear WDHAB
[08:36] <Upu-2E0UPU> but its fading alot and very weak
[08:36] <jcoxon> eek
[08:36] <Upu-2E0UPU> no alititude on that one
[08:36] <Upu-2E0UPU> and I'm not sure it has GPS any more
[08:36] <jcoxon> thats not good
[08:36] <Upu-2E0UPU> WDHAB 434.649.00 / 370 shift
[08:37] <daveake> ta
[08:37] <Upu-2E0UPU> RV
[08:37] <Upu-2E0UPU> t
[08:37] <Upu-2E0UPU> [09:37] <daveake> ta
[08:37] <Upu-2E0UPU> sorry
[08:37] <Upu-2E0UPU> WDHAB,/NoGPS/242,08:33:30,52.31476,-1.89679,99=y9y,0,238;188;-19{0*15
[08:39] <Upu-2E0UPU> yep its got no GPS getting same location data each time
[08:39] <Upu-2E0UPU> ok WDHAB mini you're our only hope
[08:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> frequency falling quicky does sound awful lot like a flat battery
[08:39] <jcoxon> rapid temp change
[08:39] <Upu-2E0UPU> its got a GPS back
[08:40] <Upu-2E0UPU> 52.37592:1.73123
[08:40] <Upu-2E0UPU> no its lost it again
[08:40] <Upu-2E0UPU> :)
[08:40] <jcoxon> i'm too far realistically to listen for this
[08:40] <Upu-2E0UPU> I'll go see if I can find the small one
[08:40] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I have WDHAB on the waterfall
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[08:41] <fsphil-2I0VIM> just
[08:42] <Upu-2E0UPU> can't locate Mini
[08:44] <Upu-2E0UPU> WDHAB still reporting no GPS
[08:46] <Upu-2E0UPU> lol
[08:46] <Upu-2E0UPU> found mini
[08:46] <Upu-2E0UPU> 434.059.33
[08:47] <Upu-2E0UPU> not going to get a decode though
[08:47] <Upu-2E0UPU> its very unstbale
[08:47] <Upu-2E0UPU> unstable
[08:47] <Upu-2E0UPU> shift possibly 200 ?
[08:47] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ooh lemme see
[08:48] <Upu-2E0UPU> 180
[08:48] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I just have a single carrier
[08:48] <fsphil-2I0VIM> descending in frequency
[08:49] <Upu-2E0UPU> thats incredibly unstable its going up and down , drifting
[08:49] <Upu-2E0UPU> 434.060.570
[08:50] <Upu-2E0UPU> its almost as if transmitting is dragging the voltage down
[08:51] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I can't find wdhab now
[08:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ahh there it is
[08:52] <fsphil-2I0VIM> no way I'm going to decode that, it's much too weak
[08:52] <Upu-2E0UPU> its weak here too
[08:53] <Upu-2E0UPU> the mini is drifting wildly when transmitting so don't think I'm going to be able to decode that
[08:53] <Upu-2E0UPU> can't even tell if its RV or not
[08:53] <jcoxon> Upu-2E0UPU, what sort of freq range is it drifting over?
[08:54] <Upu-2E0UPU> 1000-2000 as it transmits
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[08:54] <Upu-2E0UPU> its incredibly faint
[08:54] <fsphil-2I0VIM> wdhab has a bit of a wobble too
[08:54] <Upu-2E0UPU> morning jgrahamc
[08:54] <Upu-2E0UPU> congrats on making BBC news
[08:54] <fsphil-2I0VIM> shift is 370
[08:54] <jgrahamc> Morning
[08:55] <jgrahamc> Thanks. Should be on radio 4 pm programme on Monday
[08:55] <Upu-2E0UPU> I'll record WDHAB Mini so you can have alook jcoxon
[08:55] <jgrahamc> Is the balloon in the air?
[08:55] <Upu-2E0UPU> yeah sorta :)
[08:56] <Upu-2E0UPU> its up there
[08:56] <Upu-2E0UPU> just not sure where :)
[08:56] <jgrahamc> Tracker looks bogus
[08:56] <daveake> :)
[08:56] <daveake> I think I'll drive up to my hill and try. Got naff all here.
[08:58] <jgrahamc> Anyone got an idea of altitude?
[08:58] <Upu-2E0UPU> greater than 1
[08:58] <Upu-2E0UPU> less than 9999999
[08:58] <Upu-2E0UPU> :)
[08:59] <daveake> :)
[08:59] <Upu-2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/wdhabmini
[08:59] <Upu-2E0UPU> its a wav file
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[09:00] <Upu-2E0UPU> right I have to pop out
[09:00] <Upu-2E0UPU> hopefully the GPS will come back
[09:00] <Upu-2E0UPU> back shortly
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[09:02] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I can see the signal so it's at least over 15km
[09:03] <fsphil-2I0VIM> much too weak for me to decode though
[09:03] <jcoxon> goodness thats all over the place
[09:06] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that's the nice way of putting it :)
[09:07] <jcoxon> not getting anything useful out of that wav
[09:14] <jgrahamc> I can hear RTTY on 434.650 from Fulham. Must be pretty high. Is it worth me trying a decode?
[09:14] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, if you can
[09:14] <fsphil-2I0VIM> always worth a go
[09:14] <fsphil-2I0VIM> it's weaker than normal though
[09:14] <jgrahamc> Ok. I'll get set up
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[09:21] <junderwood> Just got a position (not altitude) on 434.649
[09:22] <junderwood> 52.46123,-1.57501
[09:22] <jcoxon> anyone on the SEDs mailing list?
[09:22] <junderwood> Ah. No GPS lock :(
[09:26] <jgrahamc> What RTTY settings? ASCII? Parity? Etc.
[09:26] <jgrahamc> I can see something but nonsense decodes
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[09:26] <junderwood> 8n1 Reverse
[09:26] <junderwood> (for the one at 434.65)
[09:27] <STay> -> junderwood, That location is feasable, it's on the predicted path I saw Will run on Friday
[09:27] <junderwood> 8n1 normal @434.075
[09:27] <junderwood> does't seem to be changing
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[09:27] <junderwood> I will put up the Yagi and try a bit of RDF
[09:28] <jgrahamc> Thanks. Unfortunately am going to have to break fo r some urgent shopping
[09:29] <WillDMobile> Cheers guys.
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[09:29] <WillDMobile> Looks like the gps has gone on both :(
[09:32] <fsphil-2I0VIM> they may come back
[09:33] <fsphil-2I0VIM> if it's an altitude thing
[09:35] <WillDMobile> The mini is a venus. Fingers crossed. Going to follow predicted path now
[09:35] <STay> Will, what was the predicted burst altitude/time?
[09:35] <WillDMobile> About 28 k
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[09:36] <fsphil-2I0VIM> can't be too far from that now
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[09:40] <Hiena> Talking about bursts, yesterday got a break line leak on a poor man windtunnel run. Luckily the airfield was long enough to stop, and the traffic was weak so limped back home with the handbrake. At the afternoon I crawled under the car, and poked the flexible brake line which just gave up and soaked with DOT3 break fluid...
[09:42] <junderwood> OK. Best guess is directly north from here (+/- 10 deg)
[09:43] <junderwood> which puts it on a line going roughly through Bicester, Rugby, Leicester
[09:44] <junderwood> Hey. We appear to have GPS lock!
[09:44] <junderwood> Position (just where I said) but no altitude
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[09:45] <Hiena> What kind of GPS module?
[09:45] <fsphil-2I0VIM> yay!
[09:46] <junderwood> Just got very noisy. Guessing it may have burst pretty-much over Leicester
[09:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I've lost the signal
[09:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> is it descending?
[09:46] <Rob_M0DTS> oh yes
[09:47] <junderwood> Settling down again. Only partial decodes at the moment
[09:47] <junderwood> Got one
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[09:49] <junderwood> 52.62170,-1.15535
[09:50] <junderwood> 09:49:57,52.62817,-1.14434
[09:52] <junderwood> It's lost GPS again :(
[09:53] <junderwood> Last good position 09:51:21,53.64026,-1.12037
[09:53] <Hiena> How is the speed?
[09:54] <junderwood> Hiena, vertical or horizontal?
[09:54] <junderwood> Frequency is drifting.
[09:55] <Hiena> Both.
[09:56] <junderwood> Horizontal, I guess the number on the tracker is probably OK for the time it was received.
[09:56] <junderwood> Vertical - who knows
[09:56] <Hiena> No onboard pressure sensor?
[09:57] <junderwood> It burst 10 minutes ago and I still have a signal so I guess it is subsonic
[09:57] <junderwood> Not sure what the telemetry is.
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[09:58] <Hiena> Well, that quite possible.
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[10:01] <junderwood> Must have briefly regained GPS. New position 52.70462,-0.96309
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[10:04] <Upu-2E0UPU> back
[10:05] <WillDMobile> Traffic not that good
[10:05] <Rob_M0DTS> vy weak here now
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[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[10:06] <Upu-2E0UPU> still reporting nogps is that accurate ?
[10:06] <junderwood> Yes. But we had a few good points
[10:07] <Upu-2E0UPU> its very weak considering
[10:07] <junderwood> Looks to be fading now.
[10:07] <Upu-2E0UPU> anything out of minihab ?
[10:07] <junderwood> 20 minutes from ~30 km is quite a fast descent
[10:07] <Upu-2E0UPU> are we getting accurate altitude now ?
[10:07] <junderwood> not one
[10:08] <WillDMobile> Anything on the mini?
[10:08] <Upu-2E0UPU> negative
[10:08] <Upu-2E0UPU> was impossible to decode was very unstable
[10:08] <junderwood> Too weak to decode now.
[10:09] <Upu-2E0UPU> just trying to find mini again
[10:09] <junderwood> I managed to decode the mini a couple of minutes ago. No position or time
[10:09] <Upu-2E0UPU> what freq ?
[10:09] <junderwood> Signal just about gone.
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[10:09] <junderwood> Last good point was 09:56:58,52.70462,-0.96309
[10:09] <junderwood> (reported that point for 10 minutes afterwards)
[10:10] <junderwood> Gone
[10:10] <junderwood> Mini was on 434.075 give or take not much
[10:10] <WillDMobile> Cheers
[10:10] <junderwood> both gone now
[10:11] <junderwood> Dial freq was 434.6488 on the main payload for me when I lost it
[10:11] <Upu-2E0UPU> also lost main one too
[10:11] <junderwood> Good luck. I hope it lands in a tree.
[10:12] <junderwood> Otherwise you'll be very lucky to get a signal to home in on
[10:12] Nick change: Upu-2E0UPU -> Upu
[10:18] <WillDMobile> Been a bit of a disaster this 1. But thanks for all the help so far everyone :)
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[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> did we have an ascent today?
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah only a simulation, right?
[10:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> actual flight
[10:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> gps and signals where a bit unreliable
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> how is it like at 10 million meters above sea level?
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[10:39] <daveake> No wonder the signal was weak
[10:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[10:42] <nosebleedKT> ping Lunar_Lander
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[10:45] <Lunar_Lander> yes nosebleedKT
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[10:57] <WillDMobile> Got a location 52.837043,-0.760111
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[10:58] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that's on a small lane
[10:58] <fsphil-2I0VIM> Croxton Road
[10:59] <fsphil-2I0VIM> beside some trees...
[10:59] <fsphil-2I0VIM> nice empty field to the other side though
[10:59] <fsphil-2I0VIM> aah google is doing that thing again, snapping to the nearest road
[11:02] <daveake> Or nearest ferry route ;)
[11:06] <SamSilver> daveake: ferry could be usfull to you :p
[11:06] <SamSilver> sorry daveake
[11:06] <daveake> :p
[11:08] <daveake> That location is in the middle of a field. No trees nearby.
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[11:25] <costyn> hello all
[11:25] <costyn> I guess I just missed WDHAB ?
[11:27] <WillDMobile> You didnt miss much...
[11:28] <WillDMobile> Some good radio receiving skills though
[11:29] <costyn> WillDMobile: been scrolling back; sorry to hear it didn't go well
[11:29] <WillDMobile> Hopefully will get payload n pics
[11:29] <costyn> yea
[11:30] <costyn> WillDMobile: are you on the way to retrieve it or do you have someone going?
[11:30] <WillDMobile> Yep on way
[11:30] <WillDMobile> In melton mowbray atm
[11:32] <costyn> ok good luck, keep us posted
[11:34] <costyn> question: do you guys have any recommended modules for barometric pressure sensors and external temp sensors? would a simple thermistor work for outside temperature readings?
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> In principle yes
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> It requires annoying calibration and ADCs though
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> The ds18b20 is popualr
[11:35] <Darkside> BMP085 works fine up to about 37km alt
[11:35] <Darkside> for pressure
[11:35] <Darkside> and probably higher, if you do the code right
[11:36] <costyn> thanks, will check those out
[11:36] Action: SpeedEvil ponders getting up and doing stuff.
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander> the BMP085 also brings a temperature sensor
[11:37] <Darkside> yeah but it craps out at 0 degrees
[11:37] <Darkside> :-)
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> It's probably questionable if you want it external, as it will drift with temperature though
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> So an external tehrmometer may be a plan too
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> I should read scrollback
[11:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I just thought about it as an internal
[11:38] <Darkside> nah
[11:38] <Darkside> internal temp will get lower than 0
[11:38] <Lunar_Lander> and DS18B20 on a cable to the outside
[11:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> 0C is a bit low, unless your cameras never go off
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> high
[11:38] <costyn> well i'm using stalker board which has an onboard temp sensor for the internal temp sensing, but thought it'd be intresting to get outside temp too
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> DS10B20 on a cable should be OK I would say
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> what do the others think=
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[11:39] <Darkside> it works fine
[11:39] <Darkside> i use one on the pcb, and one externally
[11:39] <Darkside> on the same onewire bus
[11:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:40] <Lunar_Lander> with the master and slave thing?
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[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> there is that one thing that pulls my nerves
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> when I use the mouse, the front of the PC vibrates from the fan
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> I think one of the first things to get next month is mouse with a long enough cable to get it to the back of the pC
[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> PC
[11:43] <jgrahamc> Back briefly
[11:43] <jgrahamc> What's the latest on the flight today?
[11:44] <costyn> jgrahamc: WillDMobile is on the way to try to find his payload
[11:44] <jgrahamc> Great. They got a gps fix?
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[11:44] <costyn> jgrahamc: apparently; 12:57 < WillDMobile> Got a location 52.837043,-0.760111
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander> wb jcoxon
[11:45] <jgrahamc> That's good news
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[11:51] <jcoxon> hey all
[11:51] Action: jcoxon is testing his payload :-)
[11:51] <jcoxon> getting this power consumption down is challenging
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[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> but I think HABing has brought me good things
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> I know how to solder now, to think about circuitry
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> and radio
[11:53] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:53] <jcoxon> indeed
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> and probably I'll do my ham license
[11:53] <jcoxon> multiple areas of learning
[11:53] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, thats a good idea
[11:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[11:54] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I'm with Lunar_Lander, I've learned more doing this than anything else recently
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I can develop sensors one day
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> I mean not really new sensors
[11:54] <costyn> hmph... what happened to the site of http://www.seeedstudio.com/
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander> but to construct a field mill and its electronics for instance
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> doesn't load costyn?
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> here it just loaded
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander> just took time
[11:55] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I'm getting a webhoster ad page
[11:56] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[11:57] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: you are getting their normal site?
[11:57] <Lunar_Lander> no, just the shop
[11:57] <Lunar_Lander> and when I tried to click on the blog site it said "Server Hacked by suchandsuch"
[11:58] <costyn> yea got that too
[11:58] <costyn> lame
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander> do you think that is dangerous?
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[11:59] <costyn> dunno what OS do you use on your computer?
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> win 7 SP1
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[11:59] <costyn> hmm don't think you need to worry
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[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:59] <fsphil-2I0VIM> so it's not my router that's faulty, it's the modem
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[12:03] <SamSilver> jcoxon: do you have 0/8 sky?
[12:04] <SamSilver> for test
[12:11] <jcoxon> good sunshine right now
[12:13] <SamSilver> can you monitor batt charge rate and level
[12:13] <jcoxon> i'm monitoring battery voltage
[12:13] <SamSilver> well 2 in 1
[12:13] <SamSilver> way to go
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[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> costyn : I think we should leave the site alone for now
[12:26] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: yup
[12:26] <fsphil-2I0VIM> who broke it? :)
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[12:27] <costyn> fsphil-2I0VIM: some lame haxxors from Bangladesh; hope their proud of themselves
[12:27] <costyn> s/their/they're/
[12:28] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ah
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[12:32] <WillDMobile> Got it :)
[12:33] <WillDMobile> Just having a quick look at photos then to pub
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-2I0VIM : I just hope they did no damage
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[12:33] <fsphil-2I0VIM> congrats WillDMobile, was it where you expected?
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[12:33] <fsphil-2I0VIM> did you have a gsm backup?
[12:34] <costyn> WillDMobile: nice! congrats
[12:34] <WillDMobile> Yeah the backup saved the day.
[12:34] <costyn> WillDMobile: was it a standalone module?
[12:34] <jcoxon> WillDMobile, easy recovery?
[12:35] <STay> WillDMobile: Did my camera survive?
[12:35] <WillDMobile> Yep, met the farmer and gave a bottle to say thanks. Steve, ur camera took some excellent pics
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[12:36] <WillDMobile> Got some nice vid too. Will post later
[12:37] <SamSilver> congrats WillDMobile
[12:37] <jcoxon> fsphil-2I0VIM, what do you think about using pressure sensor for regular altitude for a pico flight
[12:37] <fsphil-2I0VIM> jcoxon, not a bad idea that. from what I've read it can be resistibly accurate
[12:38] <fsphil-2I0VIM> guessing it's a lot more power efficient too?
[12:38] <jcoxon> yeah exactly
[12:38] <jcoxon> and i guess we aren't that high
[12:38] <jcoxon> so pressures will be in range
[12:39] <jcoxon> something like GPS every 10mins
[12:39] <jcoxon> but regular pressure
[12:39] <jcoxon> would help guess if still ascending or floating
[12:39] <fsphil-2I0VIM> so report regular positions if the pressure is changing
[12:40] <fsphil-2I0VIM> switch to just occasional gps fixes if it stays within a range
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[12:40] <jcoxon> certainly an idea
[12:41] <jcoxon> i'm running my pico3 setup
[12:41] <jcoxon> doesnt' take much GPS to suck the lipo dry
[12:43] <fsphil-2I0VIM> what sort of current does a pressure sensor use?
[12:45] <jcoxon> 5ua at 1 sample/sec
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[12:45] <jcoxon> 5uA*
[12:45] <nosebleedKT> seeedstudio got hacked :P
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[12:45] <SamSilver> jcoxon: what about if you got pico3 to report altitude from pressure sensor instead of gps doing it's lat long thing
[12:45] <costyn> nosebleedKT: yah, sux :(
[12:46] <jcoxon> SamSilver, i think you still need the GPS occasionally
[12:46] <jcoxon> need to keep track of it
[12:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> jcoxon, oh eck that's almost nothing. that'll run for days
[12:46] <SamSilver> yip
[12:46] <jcoxon> looking at the datasheet will work up to 9km
[12:47] <jcoxon> also be awesomely useful at night
[12:47] <jcoxon> when i really won't be able to use hte gps much
[12:47] <SamSilver> but an update of alti is information that does not use much battery power
[12:48] <SamSilver> and can extrapulated
[12:48] <jcoxon> SamSilver, sure
[12:48] <jcoxon> are you suggesting just use a pressure sensor?
[12:49] <SamSilver> no
[12:49] <SamSilver> but report pressure three times more than GPS
[12:49] <jcoxon> oh yes
[12:49] <SamSilver> as it uses less batt
[12:49] <jcoxon> yeah yeah
[12:49] <SamSilver> k
[12:49] <jcoxon> i'd always tx pressure
[12:49] <jcoxon> and then tx gps once every 10
[12:50] <SamSilver> something along that line
[12:50] <jcoxon> we've been suggesting the same thing
[12:51] <SamSilver> something real clever like your SPOT hack
[12:52] <SamSilver> well thought out like you always do
[12:52] <griffonbot> @willduckworth: Payload retrieved intact, thanks to the skillful trackers on #ukhas [http://twitter.com/willduckworth/status/117944630464610305]
[12:54] <nosebleedKT> epic: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314683_2287767321311_1462770880_32586956_6603765_n.jpg
[12:56] <jcoxon> eek my protype nearly blew out the window
[12:56] <jcoxon> restarting test now...
[12:57] <jcoxon> SamSilver, http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi/index.html
[12:58] <fsphil-2I0VIM> eager to fly :)
[12:58] <fsphil-2I0VIM> lunch time
[12:58] <Upu> wow got it back
[12:58] <SamSilver> wow
[12:59] <jcoxon> what will be nice will be when we do tx gps alt we can constantly calibrate the sensor
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[13:00] <SamSilver> yes
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> I'd be tempted to send the pressure raw
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> So if your numbers screw up, you still have that
[13:01] <Darkside> given how mine fucked up
[13:01] <Darkside> :-)
[13:01] <Darkside> just make sure you have the calibration values too
[13:02] <Upu> When will duckworths back I want to see his antenna design to make mine look nothing like it
[13:02] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, oh i mean we calibrate this end
[13:02] <jcoxon> yeah raw data
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[13:05] <SamSilver> raw data is like Jessica Alba better in the rw than 2nd hand
[13:05] <SamSilver> raw
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[13:14] <BalHare_> afk
[13:18] <jcoxon> pressure sensor ordered
[13:20] <Upu> On the spacenear.us how do I get the data fields up on there ?
[13:20] <Upu> It has satellites up
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[13:24] <SpeedEvil> You send someone the ield definitions of your payload strings.
[13:27] <costyn> question: I want to get the cable to make a quarter wave 70cm antenna. what kind of cable should i be looking for?
[13:27] <costyn> TimZaman has a nice howto on his site, but the details onthe cable itself are a sparse http://www.timzaman.nl/?p=1888&lang=en
[13:28] <Upu> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/avatest2
[13:28] <Upu> costyn you mean for the payload antenna ?
[13:28] <costyn> Upu: yes :) nice stream btw
[13:28] <costyn> Upu: except the add
[13:28] <Upu> just wire :)
[13:29] <Upu> can't do much about add
[13:29] <Upu> 1 sec
[13:29] <costyn> Upu: ok, say I wanted a premade one with a SMA connector and shielded for the bits which aren't part of the antenna
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[13:29] <Laurenceb> hi all
[13:29] <Upu> just getting some links
[13:29] <DanielRichman> Upu: re data fields: the spacenear.us javascript has a list of keys that it knows the names of. If it encounters any, it will display them. I'll have a look at your flight doc.
[13:30] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/antenna.jpg
[13:30] <Upu> ok thanks
[13:30] <costyn> Upu: nice, looks like what I want :)_
[13:30] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/2010-09-03%2019-26-16_0003.jpg
[13:30] <DanielRichman> Upu: can you paste an example string really quickly?
[13:30] <Upu> ignore 'B'
[13:30] <Upu> sure
[13:30] <Upu> AVA,102,13:30:28,53.752400,-1.818007,257,4,30,23,0,G*9F3B
[13:31] <Darkside> that looks heavy
[13:31] <DanielRichman> ok cool so we have sats:4, temp1: 30, temp2: 23, var:0, flightstatus: G
[13:31] <Upu> alt,sats,internal,external,current rate of ascent and flightstatus
[13:31] <Upu> rgr
[13:31] <DanielRichman> perfect. I'll change their names. Will temp 1 and temp2 always be integers?
[13:31] <Upu> yep
[13:31] <costyn> Upu: thx
[13:32] <Upu> costyn mine is too heavy
[13:32] <Upu> you can make it out of some light copper wire stuck to a straw
[13:32] <DanielRichman> and var is an integer too?
[13:32] <Upu> checking
[13:32] <costyn> Upu: ok
[13:33] <DanielRichman> Upu: do you have a set of flight statuses, and their human readable meanings?
[13:33] <Upu> I do
[13:33] <Upu> yes %i always integer
[13:33] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/egum6cXP
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[13:34] <DanielRichman> perfect. 1 second...
[13:37] <DanielRichman> Upu: done
[13:37] <DanielRichman> Upu: refresh spacenear.us for the flight status to show up as well; the rest should already be there
[13:37] <Upu> cool
[13:38] <Upu> that looks great
[13:38] <Upu> thanks
[13:38] <Upu> condition S on Ava 2 will activate the ground facing radar and trigger the lunar decent modile
[13:38] <Upu> module
[13:38] <DanielRichman> :D
[13:38] <Upu> I wish
[13:38] <costyn> :)
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[13:41] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ooh stream
[13:41] <costyn> Upu: just reading your blogposts; really like the Flight Computer PCB; nice & clean
[13:41] <fsphil-2I0VIM> it's as dull there as it is here Upu
[13:41] <Upu> suns just come out
[13:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> ok it's more dull here lol
[13:42] <fsphil-2I0VIM> raining atm
[13:42] <Upu> costyn its far from perfect
[13:42] <Upu> its too big for starters and the GPS antenna connection is far from ideal
[13:43] <Upu> no proper programming ability on it you have to plug a daughter board into it
[13:43] <Upu> check www.spacenear.us/tracker fsphil I have statuses :)
[13:44] <costyn> Upu: ok :) thought
[13:44] <costyn> Upu: it just looked nice :)
[13:44] <costyn> but I guess function comes before form in this field
[13:44] <Upu> yes and no go find Darksides board :)
[13:44] <Upu> Darkside link your board pls
[13:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> haha
[13:46] <fsphil-2I0VIM> cute idea
[13:46] <Upu> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MicroNut.jpg
[13:46] <Upu> the NTX2 module goes on the other side
[13:46] <costyn> woa
[13:47] <costyn> nice
[13:47] <costyn> serious soldering skillz :)
[13:47] <Upu> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DSC_5107.jpg
[13:47] <Upu> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/MicroAPRS-1024x672.jpg
[13:47] <Upu> sorry for URL hax0ring Darkside
[13:48] <costyn> amazing
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[13:58] <Darkside> haha
[13:58] <Darkside> no probs Upu
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[15:27] <Upu> final bit of testing, wired the car up for HABbing and went for a test drive to make sure it didn't all fall apart : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/habmobile.jpg
[15:30] <fsphil-2I0VIM> no pink? :)
[15:30] <fsphil-2I0VIM> that's a great setup
[15:31] <fsphil-2I0VIM> I love your solution to the audio-in problem
[15:33] <Upu> "a drill"
[15:33] <Upu> also helps lock the laptop in place
[15:33] <Upu> charge the iphone from the laptop
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[15:34] <Upu> NC10 has 3G built in so no issues with dongles
[15:34] <fsphil-2I0VIM> yea, it's pretty bouncy in that stand
[15:34] <Upu> I put a think block of foam on the bottom with some gaffer over it
[15:34] <Upu> pads it
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[16:17] <DanielRichman> bug crushed: 2 hours, and the fix was 1 line long.
[16:17] <DanielRichman> (not my code :X)
[16:17] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:19] <DanielRichman> love leaking memory.
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[17:00] <NigeyS> lalala
[17:08] <Laurenceb> im a lama you're a lama
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> some sunday reading for you on cone-studded superpressure balloons - http://www.ehartwell.com/afj/Jimsphere
[17:11] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Sunday reading for you sciency citizens - the Jimsphere balloon, sort of an inside-out golfball http://t.co/fHySR6ZR #arhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/118009773554802688]
[17:15] <griffonbot> @steamfire: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Sunday reading for you sciency citizens - the Jimsphere balloon, sort of an inside-out golfball http://t.co/fHySR6ZR ... [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/118010664055881729]
[17:15] <Dan-K2VOL> well I will just spam the chat room today
[17:15] <jcoxon> haha
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[18:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Re: HOWEST"
[18:10] Nick change: MI6VIM -> fsphil-laptop
[18:19] Nick change: pole -> puma
[18:20] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: A neat old report on specific meteorological research balloon missions that caused UFO sightings: http://t.co/50lJjLTT #arhab #hab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/118027123079380992]
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[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> o
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> had a nice experience while cycling
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> saw a hot-air balloon
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> and when I came home I actually was near the landing place and watched the deflation
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> took my mind of the seeedstudio stuff
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[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[19:16] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar
[19:16] <Paradoxial> How's it going?
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> um OK
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> we had something here today
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> seeedstudio was taken down by a hacker
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> costyn: are you here?
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> and how are you Paradoxial?
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[19:25] <EI5GTB> how did the launch go today?
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> AFAIK they recovered it
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:28] <EI5GTB> good stuff
[19:28] Action: EI5GTB looks forward to the results
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> and I saw a hot-air balloon deflation :)
[19:32] <EI5GTB> ..? thats not somthing you happen to just see
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I was cycling and saw the balloon in the air
[19:33] <EI5GTB> cool
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> and when I was almost home I saw the balloon in a field nearby and when I came there, they were starting to deflate it
[19:33] <EI5GTB> nice
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> and then they stuffed it into a bag
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:33] <EI5GTB> haha
[19:33] <EI5GTB> a rucksack
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:34] Action: EI5GTB stuffed his hot air baloon into his rucksack and headed home
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:34] <Paradoxial> Lunar_Lander: Pretty good
[19:34] <Paradoxial> Any flights happening right now?
[19:34] <EI5GTB> whats the story on this conference? places still avail?
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> no, there was one earlier Paradoxial
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[19:50] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, there are still places
[19:50] <jcoxon> as we've increased the size of the conference venue
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[19:54] <jcoxon> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[19:56] <jcoxon> good thanks
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I'm so-so
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I'm worried about my PC
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> did you hear that the seeedstudio site was hacked?
[19:58] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:58] <jcoxon> i wouldn't worry about it
[19:58] <jcoxon> just run a sensible scanner
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ran Microsoft security essentials and MBAM
[20:03] <Upu> sounds good to me jcoxon, don't let them in if they don't pay :)
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[20:24] <jcoxon> Upu, i've also added to more people
[20:24] <jcoxon> two*
[20:24] <Upu> ok
[20:25] <Upu> someone was asking in here earlier
[20:25] <jcoxon> 35 is not bad :-)
[20:25] <Upu> no may have to cap it soon
[20:25] <Upu> :)
[20:25] <jcoxon> shall we convert one of hte empty slots to lightning talks?
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[20:26] <Upu> yup if you want
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[20:31] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] UKHAS conference"
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[20:59] <griffonbot> Received email: Richard Frewin "[UKHAS] Conference"
[21:00] <Dan-K2VOL> I see Kaymont has started catering to amateur HABs!
[21:00] <Dan-K2VOL> heh only took 22 years of amateur ballooning
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[21:03] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: haha, indeed
[21:03] <EI5GTB> jcoxon: put me down for a space! i might as well head over when i'm living in london
[21:03] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: HAB launghes are probably are becoming significant compared to weather services launches
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: what do you mean?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Well - UK met-office are launching ~2K/year
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> From the UK only
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> actually - more like 3k
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah the new HAB category?
[21:05] <Dan-K2VOL> the US weather service launches 146,000 per year
[21:05] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah Lunar_Lander
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Dan-K2VOL: wow
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> but it isn't worth anything if they don't answer emails
[21:05] <Dan-K2VOL> but the amateur ones are much more publicly visible
[21:06] Action: SpeedEvil idly wonders what USc ompensation claims agains tt the weather service look like.
[21:06] <Dan-K2VOL> ha, sounds like they haven't changed much
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:07] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, you here 15th Oct?
[21:07] <Dan-K2VOL> good question SpeedEvil, I haven't heard of any major damage from any weather service balloons, so that does speak to the statistics of aircraft risk
[21:07] <EI5GTB> jcoxon will be, yea
[21:08] <jcoxon> EI5GTB, send me an email
[21:08] <jcoxon> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference
[21:08] <jcoxon> at the bottom
[21:08] <EI5GTB> k, will do
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL: discussing the I-Word again?
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: yeah - your question and dans 140000 number made me wonder
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Though the US is considerably larger
[21:09] <Dan-K2VOL> the US has ~100 launch sites, launches 4x per day
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw the Lloyd's people didn't answer yet
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: They have formed a seperate department to model the risks. 60 people are currently working on your query.
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> not really?!
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Doubtful.
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[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:19] <Dan-K2VOL> here's a paper on balloon hazard estimation http://www.aerovelco.com/papers/hazard.pdf
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[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> cool thanks
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> well actually 'aerosonde' hazard avoidance, but it's very relevant
[21:27] <griffonbot> Received email: paul sinclair - EI5GTB "[UKHAS] Conference"
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[21:31] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Conference"
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> btw I think I made the STS error
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> I assumed too many launches
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> I talked with my professor and we agreed that 2-3 per year seem to be more realistic
[21:37] <Dan-K2VOL> launches of your flights?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:38] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh yeah
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> but I also didn't claim to fly every two weeks
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:43] <Dan-K2VOL> By the way, here's a fantastic archive of US weather journal academic papers that's all PDF online: http://journals.ametsoc.org/ going back to the 1940s, a rare non-pay journal website archive
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> the site is awesome
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> save for if you need something from the last three years
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> there is the paywall
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> but then, libraries should be able to obtain copies by interlibrarly loan
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, but the stuff that's relevant to amateurs is usually pretty old in this field ;-)
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> actually I needed something from July this year
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> from an Indian turbulence experiment with GPS on radiosondes
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah your lib may already subscribe too
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> and I did an error with the ordering
[21:48] <Dan-K2VOL> aw
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> well, I don't think they'd subscribe because we don't have much to do with meteorology, but interlibrary loan always can get photocopies
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> well
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> in the form I mixed up two fields
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> I needed Volume 67 from 2011
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> but then I requested Volume 2011 from year 67
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> and I was wondering why the system was giving an error
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[21:57] <nosebleedKT> wtf is going on with seeedstudio.com
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> looks like its ok now here
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> in usa
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[22:01] <nosebleedKT> it takes me to http://www.seeedi.com/depot/
[22:01] <nosebleedKT> and 404 not found !
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> gn8
[22:01] <nosebleedKT> bb
[22:03] <Paradoxial> nosebleedKT: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/
[22:04] <Paradoxial> Or is it seeedi.com?
[22:05] <nosebleedKT> www.seeedstudio.com points to www.seeedi.com
[22:05] <nosebleedKT> and www.seeedi.com says 404 not found :)
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[22:06] <BrainDamage> search in google for seeedstudio, click the first link and you'll get the right url
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