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[08:09] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:09] <SamSilver> morning
[08:10] <jcoxon> hey SamSilver, you well?
[08:10] <SamSilver> jcoxon if your spot if just sitting in a draw I would to take it for a spin
[08:11] <SamSilver> but it will be of no use as we are still not covered by them
[08:11] <SamSilver> * I would love to take..
[08:12] <jcoxon> SamSilver, you seen this? http://blog.delorme.com/2011/09/19/delorme-inreach-details-and-test-run/
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[08:13] <SamSilver> reading
[08:18] <SamSilver> that is good news
[08:18] <jcoxon> does it cover you?
[08:18] <SamSilver> I think Dan - Whitestar - SpeedBall made a comment there
[08:19] <SamSilver> I am trying to see if it does
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[08:29] <SamSilver> jcoxon: i can not find a map of the coverage they do
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[08:33] <SamSilver> jcoxon: I was thinking that maybe you could get daveake or Darkside to drop off your drifter for you. :p
[08:36] <daveake> That hurts :p
[08:37] <jcoxon> hehe
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[08:38] <jcoxon> hehe i suspect its a lot harder to do on purpose
[08:39] <daveake> Yep. Easy enough by accident :)
[08:39] <SamSilver> dark might even get it in the wrong ocean
[08:39] <SamSilver> well we will see what I do with my launch in the 1st week in december
[08:40] <jcoxon> SamSilver, you aiming for float?
[08:41] <SamSilver> nope, this is a shake down flight for a ballast flight
[08:41] <jcoxon> whats the plan for ballast?
[08:43] <SamSilver> alcohol pumped by a spiral pump
[08:43] <jcoxon> for future ZP?
[08:44] <SamSilver> If I win the lotto
[08:44] <SamSilver> I am busy designing a net for a 3Kg
[08:45] <SamSilver> so a SP
[08:51] <SamSilver> but that makes things compilcated as He will be vented and that is another system for a malfunction
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[08:55] <jcoxon> indeed
[08:55] <jcoxon> not easy
[08:55] Action: jcoxon is running a picoatlas 3 solar test
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[08:56] <jonquark> Mornin' all
[08:57] <jcoxon> morning
[08:57] <fsphil> morning one and all
[08:58] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[08:58] <jonquark> Interesting talk of insurance (mentioned here while I was in the channel yesterday) and briefly on the mailing list. If someone could get an insurance company to give a reasonable quote - it would be very useful!
[08:58] <jcoxon> jonquark, thats the holy grail unfortunately
[08:59] <jonquark> Yep :/
[08:59] <jcoxon> no one has found a reasonable insurance quote
[08:59] <jcoxon> some universities and organisations can nearly get a reasonable quite
[08:59] <jcoxon> quote
[08:59] <jonquark> How unreasonable have they been?
[08:59] <jcoxon> but nothing on a personal level
[08:59] <jcoxon> 1000GBP per flight iirc
[08:59] <jonquark> Blimey
[09:00] <jcoxon> that might have been made up
[09:00] <jcoxon> can't remember
[09:00] <jcoxon> but certainly more then the launch costs and payload etc
[09:00] <jonquark> fair enough
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[09:31] <jcoxon> does this work for people?
[09:31] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC/dl-fldigi.php
[09:35] <Darkside> oooooh
[09:35] <Darkside> thats cool
[09:35] <jcoxon> the waterfall is clickable
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[09:43] <polycarbonate1> jcoxon: awesome
[09:44] <Darkside> jcoxon: how do i set that up? :P
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[09:46] <jcoxon> Darkside, actually suprisingly easy
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[09:46] <jcoxon> so dl-fldigi has to be compiled with xmlrpc
[09:46] <jcoxon> but i think that our releases have been doing that already
[09:47] <jcoxon> you then need to start dl-fldigi with a command arg
[09:47] <jcoxon> dl-fldigi --xmlrpc-server-port 7236
[09:47] <jcoxon> then you just stick some php on a webserver
[09:47] <Darkside> can you control a rig via that interface?
[09:47] <jcoxon> on my old setup i had some php that use rigctl to control it
[09:48] <jcoxon> rather that through fldigi
[09:48] <SpeedEvil> Neat!
[09:48] <Darkside> hmm ok
[09:48] <Darkside> thats cool
[09:48] <jcoxon> but i fear that was lost
[09:48] <jcoxon> so i need to implement something again
[09:48] <Darkside> jcoxon: what php ?
[09:49] <Darkside> we'll probably use that system on our remote receiver
[09:50] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC
[09:50] <jcoxon> oooo wait the old code is there too
[09:52] <jcoxon> Darkside, http://192.168.1.75/dl-fldigi/
[09:52] <jcoxon> oh wait
[09:52] <jcoxon> local
[09:53] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi/index.html
[09:53] <jcoxon> thats with that github code
[09:54] <polycarbonate1> lol, 192.168
[09:54] <polycarbonate1> I linked someone to a page on localhost the other day
[09:55] <gm> localhost? that site is awesome
[09:55] <gm> funniest one is that 127/8 is all localhost, so you can make an IP address that isn't 127.0.0.1
[09:56] <polycarbonate1> hehe
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[10:15] <jcoxon> rig control is now working
[10:16] <gm> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13852925/DJ-X11-cradle-mod.jpg
[10:16] <gm> who needs a $80 cable
[10:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:30] <gm> unfortunately the "mini-USB" plug going into that has the serial pin on the middle pin
[10:30] <gm> so i can't just hack the end off a mini-USB to make one
[10:33] <jcoxon> hmmm
[10:33] <jcoxon> its a bit of a con really isn't it
[10:34] <gm> well i can see why they used the 5th pin, because it's not used in a USB device
[10:34] <gm> but seriously, it would have cost $3 to put a FTDI chip on that board
[10:35] <jcoxon> gm, could you short the pins so taht you could use a mini-usb connector
[10:35] <gm> presumably
[10:35] <jcoxon> and then have you serial/usb convertor externally?
[10:35] <gm> but the abject of the exercise was to try and make a cable that works with it
[10:39] <gm> wait, hang on, the ID connector is the middle one
[10:39] <gm> *is not
[10:39] <gm> looks like i may have been multimetering it wrong
[10:41] <gm> oh well, can't lose the cable now :P
[10:41] <gm> but i'll give it another multimetering when i get home
[10:47] <jcoxon> hooray - my payload has resurrected itself now that the sun has come out a little bit
[10:50] <daveake_> This is your one with solar cell charging?
[10:50] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:51] <jcoxon> but its cloudy today at the lipo is depleted
[10:51] <jcoxon> so it'll only powerup when the sun comes up
[10:51] <daveake_> How cold can the lipo get and still work enough?
[10:51] <jcoxon> not really sure
[10:51] <jcoxon> i haven't yet had a problem with them
[10:51] <jcoxon> but
[10:52] <jcoxon> the energizer lithiums are safer in regards to reliability
[10:53] <daveake_> Yep. My little payload has a small camera that came with a lipo, but I'm thinking of removing that and running it from the Energizers.
[10:53] <daveake_> I have enough capacity left provided I switch the camera off between sets of photos
[10:53] <polycarbonate1> do it
[10:54] <polycarbonate1> oh, gm, I took you seriously, and stuck a random spare LiPo in my phone for now
[10:54] <daveake_> At the mo the logic switches the camera on at 30km (IIRC) then takes 5 photos then 30s video then loops. It never switches the camera off. I'll need to change that to save the main batteries.
[10:55] <daveake_> Hungry camera uses ~100mA
[10:55] <daveake_> I wired up control of on/off and shutter buttons, so it's no problem
[10:56] <jcoxon> eeek not enough power - just watched the carrier disappear off
[10:56] <polycarbonate1> yeah, you should probably turn it off
[10:56] <jcoxon> guess we'll have to wait for some more sun
[10:56] <jcoxon> doesn't help that its grey and raining
[10:57] <daveake_> Definitely switch off. AAAs so don't want to lose too much capacity. Rest of the payload runs on 60mA
[10:57] <polycarbonate1> ah
[10:59] <jcoxon> ooo its back
[10:59] <jcoxon> come on sunshine
[10:59] <daveake_> So with the camera on for say 1 hour total, that's about 15 hours run time. I'm not *intending* to "do a darkside" so should be ok :)
[10:59] <daveake_> :)
[11:07] <Darkside> >_>
[11:08] <daveake_> :)
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[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[12:20] <fsphil> hihi
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> Lloyd's gave me a contact in Bremen
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> just writing him nowe
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> *now
[12:22] <fsphil> too many L's in that name, must be welsh
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:23] <daveake_> I asked a Welsh friend how many sexual partners he'd had. He fell asleep counting.
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> german wikipedia saays "Edward Lloyd (presumably born around 1648, died 1713) was the owner of "Lloyd's Coffee House" in the Cityof London. Lloyds name presumes a welsh origin. His coffee house is said to be the founding place of "Lloyd's of London""
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake_
[12:26] <pod> we'll sign it over coffee
[12:27] <TimZaman> shi-eit, my ntx2 distributor doesnt have the ntx2-075 in supply, it will take "at least a few weeks" to "maybe" get it since it has to order a specific amount
[12:27] <TimZaman> :'(
[12:27] <daveake_> Order direct? I or I have a spare one I can post
[12:28] <daveake_> Ordered 2 yesterday direct; they should be there at home today
[12:28] <TimZaman> I think im going for the -HP though, just to be sure.
[12:28] <daveake_> ok
[12:28] <TimZaman> Yeah when i contact them they tell me to contact my local distro (which is a belgian guy)
[12:28] <daveake_> Oh!
[12:28] <TimZaman> that in turn tells me the minimumorder amount is 18
[12:29] <daveake_> No problem here. Farnell sell the .650 but at £24 (direct price is £14.58)
[12:29] <daveake_> So I ordered 2x.075 and 1x.650
[12:29] <TimZaman> yep i got some from farnell, the -10 ones, but the -10-hp's they dont sell
[12:29] <daveake_> Nope
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : where do you get them?
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> or better
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> where does one get other modules than NTX2
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> if we have to go the ham radio way, we need to use a TX1H presumably
[12:33] <gm> daveake_: lol, has "doing a darkside" become a phrase now?
[12:34] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[12:34] <gm> launching a high-altitude balloon that forgets to come down again
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> so where do you get radio modules?
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> the only supplier who has a direct shopping system that I have seen is in South Africa
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> and Radiometrix only ships in the UK, correct?
[12:36] <TimZaman> y
[12:37] <TimZaman> farnell actually is quite simple in holland. the price isnt THAT high (no shipping $ at all)
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[12:38] <jcoxon> yay its sunny again
[12:39] <fsphil> aaah google ... http://i.imgur.com/tQgxp.png
[12:39] <fsphil> (ot)
[12:41] <daveake_> lol
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea but farnell doesn't have the other modules besides NTX2
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[12:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOUnWv2X8A - the second comment made me laugh really hard. Will only make sense to some.
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[12:57] <fsphil> that is .. disturbing
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> OK fsphil and all others
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> the man from the office asks me if the descent of the balloon can be controlled
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> I would answer that the descent as such is not controllable but that we got the predictor
[13:03] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
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[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil , SpeedEvil any ideas?
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> It's got a parachute
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> but it just opens
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> and then it's up to the winds
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> Technically, it can be controlled, if the parachute was replaced with a parafoil or something, and actively guided
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> But then that raies a whole pile more issues.
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> Who guides it - how do you talk to it, where do you guide it, ...
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:22] <Dan-K2VOL> Buenas dias Lunar_Lander
[13:22] <daveake_> It's not clear what he's asking. He might be asking of the vertical descent is controlled (which it is, by the parachute) or if the horizontal position is controlled (which it isn't, of course).
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Or if there is a cutdown
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[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> "before we can work on this in detail, we would like to know if the "fall" to earth can be controlled by any means"
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[13:27] <nosebleedKT> Anyone from europe that ordered from digikey?
[13:28] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander, just jumping in, I'm assuming euro control is balking at your request to launch?
[13:28] <daveake> Yes, but a long time ago
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[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL : no, my professor asked me yesterday if I have thought at insuring my launch
[13:32] <Dan-K2VOL> ah that's much better
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> the DFS had said to me long ago that my balloon should be OK but "insurance is your responsibility"
[13:33] <Dan-K2VOL> is it legally required?
[13:33] <nosebleedKT> Darkside
[13:33] <nosebleedKT> daveake: did u pay customs?
[13:34] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL : I don't know for sure
[13:34] <BrainDamage> you pay custims
[13:34] <BrainDamage> customsé
[13:34] <BrainDamage> baaah
[13:34] <Dan-K2VOL> Hasn't all aviation law been standardized to be common across the EU?
[13:36] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[13:37] <Dan-K2VOL> I think so too, see if you can catch some of the continental balloonists with the question
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> just did
[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[13:40] <Lunar_Lander> OK but now what do I write to the Lloyd's representative
[13:40] <Lunar_Lander> as I said I would write that the balloon bursts, chute opens and the fall as such cannot be steered
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> but that we can predetermine the trajectory with our predictor and could delay the launch if the landing site would be in the proximity of a highway or such
[13:43] <Lunar_Lander> how does that sound?
[13:44] <Dan-K2VOL> I would also say that you have a remotely commandable cutdown device that allows you to terminate when the prediction says it's got a good landing site
[13:45] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/31vOy.jpg
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but I don't ahve that
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> *have
[13:46] <Laurenceb_> genius
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> currently
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> which would be a good feature to add to the predictor - ability to have multiple descent paths
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> ah, tell them you could add that if requested
[13:47] <Dan-K2VOL> (I could send you a premade one if you need it in a hurry)
[13:48] <Dan-K2VOL> that gives you better chance of getting cheaper insurance. But lloyds isn't going to be cheap any way they do it, I'm afraid
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> I need a ham radio operator anyway for that one, right?
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> your cutdown works on which frequency?
[13:48] <Dan-K2VOL> depends entirely on the freq you use I suppose
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:49] <Dan-K2VOL> oh I just have some premade cutdown boards that a receiver could be attached to
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> I believe that the NTX2 would do a bad job
[13:49] <Dan-K2VOL> ann XBee might be good
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> if you want to abort you better send a strong signal up there
[13:50] <Dan-K2VOL> that can be solved later if they request it, there's lots of hams round the worldthat love a challenge
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> mail sent
[14:05] <Dan-K2VOL> good luck kevin
[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:06] <Dan-K2VOL> I asked Lloyds for insurance once on a large balloon (10,000 cu ft) and they wanted something like 250,000 for one flight
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> the other balloon flyer I know does not know if insurance is req'd by law
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[14:15] <SamSilver_> Dan-K2VOL: Hi do you have link to pic or schmatic of cutdown board I am looking for ideas for mine
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[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL : or I have to come to the USA for flying
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[14:20] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi SamSilver_
[14:21] <Dan-K2VOL> looking
[14:21] <SamSilver_> thanx man
[14:21] <Dan-K2VOL> I know there's a video on my youtube stream user steamfire
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[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> I'll ahve to take a good pic later tonight
[14:22] <Dan-K2VOL> I can't remember where any are atm
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[14:24] <SamSilver_> I will look for the youtube vid thanx
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> OK Dan-K2VOL
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> now it's time for a activity that doesn't need a quarter million insurance :P
[14:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe what's that
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> cycling :)
[14:27] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, enjoy!
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> the idea of a common pot won't work
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[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> if everyone in here would contribute to the quarter million, each would have to pay some $3378
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[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> but now time for cyclgin
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> cycling
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> cycle-gin would be interesting
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> but don't drink and drive!
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> cu
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[14:50] <Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/internet/mcu/subclass/1521.jsp
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[14:55] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb_: how small are they
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> lqfp64
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> that thing owns
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> cycle-gin.
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> 'Made in scotland, from old BMX'
[14:56] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb_: well now I know what to get you for xmas
[14:57] <Laurenceb_> heh
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver_: Go for the WLCSP package.
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver_: You can get more comedy boxes-within-boxes that way.
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[14:59] <Laurenceb_> oh wow FPU
[14:59] <SamSilver_> http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/252216.jsp nice paper weight
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[15:10] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure it has enough connectors.
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[15:13] <Laurenceb_> lol my dactyl kalman code will run at 10KHz
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> even if i used the nutty 16 state code from openpilot
[15:14] <Laurenceb_> 3x2.4Msps ADC
[15:14] <Laurenceb_> thats fast enough for SDR GPS
[15:14] <Laurenceb_> just need a mixer on the front
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[15:22] <matt_work> Laurenceb_: how are you doing your SDR?
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> im not
[15:22] <BrainDamage> he could, if he was insane
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> i do have a sige sampler tho
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> got it producing ~6m error positions
[15:22] <matt_work> 'SDR GPS' ?
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> software defined gps
[15:23] <matt_work> my understanding of that is a analogue front end and a processor?
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[15:24] <Laurenceb_> yep
[15:24] <BrainDamage> yes, you sample one of the IF, and do part of the downmixing and demodulation as software
[15:24] <matt_work> so did u write the demodulator, or is there an open project somewhere?
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> i used kai borres code
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> its a big matlab mess XD
[15:26] <matt_work> gumstix?
[15:27] <Laurenceb_> just used my pc
[15:27] <matt_work> oh ok, i thought u had put it on your UAV
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> no
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[15:36] <Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/internet/com/press_release/p3212.jsp
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[15:40] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: can I send you some sunshine?
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[15:43] <jcoxon> i got some more now
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[15:44] <daveake> apt-get install summer
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[15:47] <pod> pin it
[15:48] <Laurenceb_> http://wiki.nottinghack.org.uk/wiki/Tools/Things_We_Have
[15:48] <Laurenceb_> they dont exactly have a lot do they
[15:50] <Laurenceb_> daveake: E: Couldn't find package summer
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[16:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Re: HOWEST Launch tomorrow"
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[16:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Nick Leaton "[UKHAS] Androids in Space"
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[17:36] <fsphil> tis pretty cold outside today
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> rain
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[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
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[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL : still here?
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[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
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[18:18] <GW8RAK> Evening Lunar_Lander
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[18:18] <GW8RAK> A link you might like to read http://sciencefocus.com/forum/measuring-cosmic-rays-t2160.html
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[18:19] <Dutch-Mill> Goedenavond ...Hi Lunar any on the insurance ?
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dutch-Mill
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> I have made a contact to a Lloyd's insurer
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> he first wanted to know if we can control the descent
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> I told him that this is not possible, but we have the predictor and can add an radio controlled cutdown
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> he did not reply on that yet
[18:21] <Dutch-Mill> .. he's still calculating i'm afraid
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> but dan said earlier that he was offered an insurance for a big balloon and they put the rate to a quarter million dollars
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[18:22] <TimZaman> hi
[18:22] <Dutch-Mill> Maby a option for your launch : Go to Ukkel (meteo)
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> I actually did ask the DWD
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> which is the german meteorological office
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> no reply yet
[18:23] <TimZaman> fsphil bought the kenwood THF-7E
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> Dutch-Mill : Ukkel in belgium?
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> then KMI is the place to ask, rightß
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[18:24] <Dutch-Mill> Yep that what I mean
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[18:27] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: arent you based in germany?
[18:27] <fsphil-laptop> ooh hope it does the job TimZaman
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> I am, yes
[18:27] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: well im just getting laughed at for not having a handheld, so its social pressure really.
[18:28] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: and you consider to launch in belgium?
[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, yea same here :)
[18:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] New launch date HOWEST: 23 September"
[18:29] <TimZaman> fsphil-laptop: i really liked yours, but turns out a working type is still valuable.. well, so was the kenwood, but the kenwood seemed pretty versatile. Though i have to admit, the kenwood wont work when standing under the shower
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : I am just checking out the options
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> if there is no other possibility we need to launch in GB or USA
[18:29] <fsphil-laptop> nope - the 7r is pretty hard as far as radios go
[18:29] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: spare yourself the gasoline and launch on some field or your back-garden.
[18:30] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: omg hahaha are you serious
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> I even once checked what launching in Morocco would be like
[18:31] <TimZaman> I mean.. why?
[18:31] <TimZaman> I have not seen such an extensive pre-research since m1x10 from greece
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I mean it was just because the professor asked for it
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> I will show him the risk assessment tomorrow
[18:32] <TimZaman> Professor proschmessor :)
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> that there were only three accidents in england in 6000 balloon flights over three years
[18:32] <TimZaman> i mean, HABs are cool, but theyre not very academic.. i guess
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> brb
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[18:36] <fsphil-laptop> hehe
[18:36] <Dutch-Mill> @Lunar see : http://www.radiosonde.eu/RS02/RS02H.html for the German meteostations
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[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYuJA0oaw4s&feature=related
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[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again GW8RAK for the link
[19:00] <GW8RAK> No problems. I'll keep you posted if anything else comes up. I'm trying to think of ways of measuring UV now
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:01] <GW8RAK> (Typing this, listening to a cadet radio station and a music video on Youtube. Multitasking!)
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[19:03] Action: fsphil-laptop is faffing around on youtube instead of coding
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:03] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-14990573
[19:03] <Laurenceb> 200 trillion cubic feet of gas
[19:03] <GW8RAK> How do you get the italics fsphil
[19:03] <Laurenceb> no way
[19:04] <BrainDamage> GW8RAK: /me text
[19:04] <costyn> GW8RAK: /me ... I think you mean?
[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> it doesn't show up as italics on mine
[19:04] <GW8RAK> It's more of a comment
[19:04] <BrainDamage> it depends on your client
[19:05] <BrainDamage> here it prepends *** and makes the name bold
[19:05] Action: GW8RAK is this what I was thinking of?
[19:05] Action: BrainDamage thinks yes
[19:05] Action: GW8RAK learns one thing and thinks it's cool for an oldie
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:07] <Laurenceb> Randomskk, eroomde: http://www.st.com/internet/com/press_release/p3212.jsp
[19:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Robert Darlington "Re: [UKHAS] Androids in Space"
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK : there are UV sensors I thnik
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> think
[19:41] <Hiena> Hmmm, anybody knowd MIDP serial terminal application for mobile phone?
[19:42] <Hiena> Hacked a bluetooth<->serial interface to the UAV , and it would be handy to telnet into it.
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> TimZaman congrats on making hackaday there
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> but no tim present!
[19:46] <fsphil-laptop> he's sneaky that Tim
[19:54] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, weather balloons with cameras strapped to them got a brief mention on bbc r4 just now
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[19:55] <fsphil-laptop> guy's doing a talk on hacking and making things
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[20:02] <costyn> ok I asked about gps's above 60kft yesterday and the consensus was 'use a module with a ublox chipset', now i've done some searching but would like to hear which modules you guys have used with succes?
[20:02] <costyn> Tim used a GPS/GSM module I saw. Looks useful, but also a bit complicated, not sure I'm ready for that. :)
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi costyn
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[20:06] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: hi :)
[20:10] <fsphil-laptop> costyn, gpsbee
[20:11] <nosebleedKT> hi all
[20:11] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: thanks!
[20:12] <nosebleedKT> I drunk a beer and Iam like i drunk 2 bottles of vodka
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> wb nosebleedKT
[20:23] <fsphil-laptop> very ot, but rather spiffy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAV_1jBJB4
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[20:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Nick Leaton "Re: [UKHAS] Androids in Space"
[20:26] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: haha cool... someone spent *a lot* of time on that
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : can you help me in a minute?
[20:29] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Androids in Space"
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[20:34] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Androids in Space"
[20:39] <nosebleedKT> Hi Lunar_Lander
[20:40] Action: fsphil-laptop isn't all here
[20:41] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: what are experiences with the GS407? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9436
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[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : still there?
[21:00] <daveake> munch ... evening :-) .... munch
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> daveake : is lassen iQ good?
[21:02] <daveake> They're fine - not expensive, fairly low power, and they use a separate antenna so you can connect one on a long lead and put it outside the window.
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[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> as I still don't know if the Venus works
[21:04] <costyn> daveake: and they work above 18KM/60kft?
[21:04] <daveake> Yes
[21:04] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: Venus does not work above 60kft apparently
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:04] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: found that out today :)
[21:05] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: according to this comment on sparkfun: http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/127#comment_31157
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> apparently the venus will work with a firmware upgrade - though nobody wants to be the first to test :)
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:05] <costyn> :)
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[21:08] <costyn> anyways, I need to get to bed. thanks for the help guys
[21:08] <fsphil-laptop> nite!
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[21:10] <fsphil-laptop> wow, the GS407 is really expensive
[21:14] <daveake> Yep. There's a free on in the North Sea if you fancy searching for it ....
[21:14] <daveake> one*
[21:15] <daveake> Can't believe I paid that much. Bought a couple of Falcom FSA03's this week for less.
[21:17] <fsphil-laptop> yea, the fsa03's are nice. just be careful handling the antenna
[21:18] <daveake> Araldite?
[21:19] <fsphil-laptop> something like that might help
[21:20] <daveake> Worse thing with the GS407 is the craptastic Sparkfun breakout board. The connector on that isn't fixed down in any way other than by being soldered to very thin tracks. So the moment you put any force on the thing the tracks lift.
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[21:25] <fsphil-laptop> sequola's site is a bit annoying
[21:25] <fsphil-laptop> the menu drops of the bottom of the screen, but if you move the mouse to scroll it the menu disappears along with the scroll bar
[21:28] <daveake> :-(. I don't remember that. Maybe browser-specific
[21:28] <daveake> Or maybe my memory is rubbish.
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[21:29] <fsphil-laptop> seems to only happen on shorter pages
[21:29] <daveake> ah
[21:30] <daveake> Got a replacement powershot today.
[21:30] <daveake> Put an offer in on a replacement camcorder too.
[21:31] <fsphil-laptop> gonna have another go?
[21:31] <daveake> Yep
[21:32] <daveake> I don't like to fail :(
[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> been there :)
[21:33] <daveake> Well, it' a hobby where failure is part of what happens. Actually I was more surprised to retrieve the first one than I was to lose this one!
[21:33] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[21:34] <fsphil-laptop> I didn't expect to get my #2 back
[21:34] <fsphil-laptop> though I was hoping for more live pics
[21:34] <daveake> If my #2 ever does get returned, there are 2 things I want from it more than anything else ....
[21:35] <daveake> 1 - the video of it taking off, flying between trees and up within inches of a water tower
[21:35] <daveake> 2 - the video of it crashing into the North Sea at 30mph!
[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> mmm video
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> I just wrote my Professor with the data from SpeedEvil's FOIA request
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[22:08] <fsphil-laptop> good luck
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> Ariane mission succesful!
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: :)
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> I have been also given the attached Freedom of Information Act request which had
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> been placed by one of the British balloon fliers. As you can see, only three
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> incidents with weather balloons had to be compensated by the Met Office in the
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> time span 2007-2010. I was told that there are three balloon launch sites in the
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> UK, launching two balloons per day. This gives six balloons launching in the UK
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> alone. The time span contains 1096 days, thus there were 6576 balloon flights in
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> the UK in this time span. Thus I arrive at the figure of one incident per 2192
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> weather balloon ascents in the last three years.
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> In my opinion the risk is slim. But if the AATiS insurance is available, it
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> probably would be something good to have (besides the other advantages as using
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> APRS and the higher radio output power).
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> Probably we can discuss this further when I come to the laboratories tomorrow. I
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> will also ask Prof. Dr. Dirk Fischer of the FH Münster how they dealt with the
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> insurance problem on their balloon ascent.
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> good text?
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[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> Probably worth adding the cost per flight of losses
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> So 1000 pounds / 7000 flights
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> was that in the PDF also?
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> or do you mean the cost of the three incidents summed up?
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> (I have attached the PDF to the e-mail anyway)
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> not in the PDF
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