highaltitude.log.20110918

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[00:03] <Laurenceb> wow that things slow
[00:04] <Laurenceb> <2m/s
[00:04] <Laurenceb> going to go very high ?
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[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb : is someone flying?
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[00:09] <RocketBoy> sticking my neck out I think it will float at about 36Km - we will see
[00:09] <Darkside> ok
[00:09] <Darkside> hi sll
[00:10] <Darkside> our in-csar stuff hasfailed
[00:10] <Darkside> due toawindowsupdate
[00:10] <Darkside> fucking space barr
[00:10] <daveake> :(
[00:12] <RocketBoy> im sensing difficulty typing while moving and just a little hostility
[00:12] <Laurenceb> heh
[00:12] <RocketBoy> anyways - its too late 4 me - time 2 sleep
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 RocketBoy
[00:12] <daveake> Night!
[00:13] <Darkside> yeah
[00:13] <Darkside> i hate this laptop
[00:13] <RocketBoy> c u all in the morn
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[00:15] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: sloooooow ascent
[00:15] <Laurenceb> somehow i doubt anyone is receiving in japan
[00:15] <Laurenceb> someone is at 0,0 :P
[00:16] <Laurenceb> hope you get it back
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> are you flying or what?
[00:16] <Darkside> lol
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> now spacenear works
[00:16] <Darkside> im moving
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> minutes before it just showed "map" and "settings"
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah legacy tracker is the old one
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> I must say that the old one was better with the altitude-time plot in the same window
[00:19] <Laurenceb> interesting drop off in acsent rate
[00:20] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside,are you on the road yet?
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[00:21] <Darkside> yees
[00:21] <Darkside> idont have chasetracker
[00:21] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/vd2WA.jpg
[00:21] <Laurenceb> looool
[00:21] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, we are on the mt barker repeater
[00:21] <Darkside> mt barker??
[00:21] <Darkside> 146.875
[00:22] <Darkside> prediction on spacenearus is fucked
[00:23] <Darkside> Randomskk:
[00:24] <Darkside> halp
[00:24] <Darkside> need predictor working
[00:24] <Darkside> Randomskk: daveake
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> the funny thing is
[00:24] <Darkside> DanielRichman:
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> when you have Satellite mode
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> the area around Callington is brown
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> and everything else is green
[00:25] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, see if that works
[00:26] <Darkside> what
[00:26] <Darkside> i see nothing
[00:26] <juxta-chasecar> file transfer not show up?
[00:26] <Darkside> no
[00:26] <Darkside> irssi
[00:26] <Darkside> no htlptome
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[00:27] <radicalbiscuit> Oy, is there a flight in progress?
[00:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:27] <Darkside> very yes
[00:28] <radicalbiscuit> :D yay! Does anyone know if any internet-accessible receivers are hearing it?
[00:28] <Darkside> no
[00:29] <Darkside> not in sa
[00:29] <Darkside> nonenafaik
[00:29] <Darkside> just watch on spacenear.us/tracker/
[00:29] <radicalbiscuit> ok, I'll look around then
[00:31] <radicalbiscuit> any idea on estimated max. altitude?
[00:31] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, http://bogaurd.net/~alan/ChaseTracker 0.zip
[00:31] <Darkside> 40km?
[00:31] <radicalbiscuit> excellent
[00:31] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: ohgoing maintenance
[00:31] <Darkside> carpc issues
[00:34] <natrium42> Darkside: oh, is it a chinese balloon?
[00:35] <natrium42> lol, some listeners are located in japan :)
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[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> daveake : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYuJA0oaw4s&feature=related
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[00:38] <daveake> :)
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> "and I can't even button my own shirt!"
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:39] <daveake> Right, time for (more) sleep for me.
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 daveake
[00:39] <daveake> Good luck with the flight guys
[00:39] <daveake> I expect to see a new record when I awake :)
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[00:42] <juxta-chasecar> natrium42, this is a chiniese balloon
[00:43] <Darkside> chasetracker up
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> who is in VK5VZI?
[00:43] <Darkside> juxta = vk5vzi
[00:44] <Darkside> i'm in vk5zm'scar
[00:44] <Darkside> car
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> and you both travelled 41 years back in time :)?
[00:44] <natrium42> juxta-chasecar: cool, should go high :)
[00:46] <Darkside> and far
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[00:46] <Darkside> deary me, thiscould go a long way
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> it'll be a long night again here
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[00:50] <griffonbot> @projecthorus: Horus 16 is in the air! Both chase teams on the road after some car-PC issues. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/projecthorus/status/115226253224706048]
[00:52] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: we're getting food at tailem
[00:52] <Darkside> we are all starving
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[01:11] <Darkside> ok back on the road
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[01:12] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: i'm attempting to get the predictions working
[01:12] <Darkside> chase-vk5zm: sup
[01:13] <chase-vk5zm> hello!
[01:13] <Darkside> :D
[01:13] <Darkside> woo, the balloon is bucking it!!
[01:13] <Darkside> 144kph!
[01:14] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: After a quick pitstop for some food and drink, the VK5ZM chase team is back on the road chasing Horus 16! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115232192002654208]
[01:15] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, offline predictor has it landing just north of laneroo
[01:15] <Darkside> really
[01:15] <Darkside> even with the shit ascent rate?
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[01:16] <Darkside> i'm trying to get the spacenearus predictor working
[01:16] <Darkside> just re-downloading the wind data
[01:16] <Darkside> then i'll futz with the figures a bit
[01:17] <juxta-chasecar> yea even with the slow ascent rate
[01:17] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Follow the launch of Horus 16 at http://t.co/T9KTx90J #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115233000857419776]
[01:23] <Darkside> ffs predictions on spacenearus are fucked
[01:23] <Darkside> WRYYYYYY
[01:23] <Darkside> wind data has been updates
[01:23] <juxta-chasecar> natrium42, any ideas for Darkside?
[01:24] <Gillerire> woo Horus flight!
[01:24] <Darkside> pace@spacenear.us [~/www/tracker]# php update-prediction.php horus
[01:24] <Darkside> it did something
[01:24] <Darkside> didnt work tho
[01:24] <Gillerire> how's it going Darkside
[01:24] <Darkside> fuuuuuuuu
[01:24] <Darkside> Gillerire: pretty good
[01:24] <Gillerire> lol
[01:24] <Darkside> in the back of a car atm
[01:24] <Darkside> :P
[01:24] <Gillerire> going for the record with this one?
[01:25] <Darkside> will upload a pic, hold
[01:25] <Darkside> Gillerire: maybe
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[01:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[01:27] <Dan-K2VOL> hiya kev, you're up late
[01:28] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/ADg0sCEY On the road... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115235642006437888]
[01:29] <natrium42> Darkside: any luck?
[01:29] <Darkside> nope
[01:29] <Darkside> can you see if you can get it working?
[01:29] <Darkside> the gfs files are there
[01:29] <Darkside> but its not updating
[01:29] <Darkside> and we really need it
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[01:31] <natrium42> k, one sec
[01:31] <Darkside> wooo
[01:31] <natrium42> the error messages should be in db
[01:32] <Darkside> kk
[01:32] <Darkside> the current prediction is fucked
[01:34] <natrium42> well, the prediction is in the db
[01:34] <natrium42> why is it not showingup?
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[01:35] <Darkside> nfi
[01:35] <Darkside> could you find out?
[01:35] <natrium42> looking into it
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[01:38] <chase-vk5zm> hi adrian
[01:38] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: 439.000
[01:38] <chase-vk5zm> bye adrian
[01:38] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: go 439.000
[01:39] <juxta-chasecar> on it now
[01:39] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: you wont get to us
[01:39] <Darkside> too far away
[01:39] <Darkside> but stay on there
[01:39] <Darkside> when we get closer we'll talk to you
[01:39] <Darkside> woo balloon is slowing
[01:40] <Gillerire> Darkside: what altitude is the magic number?
[01:41] <Darkside> 41167 is the world record
[01:41] <Darkside> 40575 is our past record
[01:41] <Gillerire> kewl
[01:42] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=f6124ff70b43ba99e3fbdcc6192acfe8987318e7
[01:42] <Darkside> theres the prediction
[01:42] <Darkside> natrium42: how goes it?
[01:43] <Gillerire> nice and easy to follow that one at least
[01:43] <Darkside> well
[01:43] <Darkside> maybe
[01:45] <Gillerire> is the altitude on spacenear.us working?
[01:45] <Darkside> yes
[01:45] <Darkside> 18.057km
[01:45] <Darkside> and going up slooooooowly
[01:46] <Darkside> looong flight
[01:46] <Darkside> the balloon should start trending south soon
[01:46] <Darkside> then it'l get to about 27km alt and start heading north again
[01:46] <Gillerire> oh, it's just going to hover around Parilla while it rises?
[01:46] <Darkside> natrium42: <3
[01:47] <natrium42> :)
[01:47] <Darkside> Gillerire: maybe
[01:47] <natrium42> nice loop there
[01:47] <Darkside> yah thats interesting
[01:47] <Darkside> man its going to slow down a lot
[01:47] <Darkside> we'll hae to camp out at pinaroo for a while
[01:47] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, about 6km more until it starts to head south
[01:47] <Gillerire> how long do you think before burst?
[01:47] <Darkside> yep i see juxta-chasecar
[01:47] <Darkside> Gillerire: NFI
[01:47] <Darkside> hwoops
[01:47] <Darkside> we're expecing burst around 40km
[01:48] <Gillerire> least half an hour then?
[01:49] <Darkside> ormore
[01:49] <Darkside> whooooo g forces
[01:49] <griffonbot> @Gillerire: RT @darksidelemm: Follow the launch of Horus 16 at http://t.co/T9KTx90J #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/Gillerire/status/115241095729913857]
[01:50] <Darkside> wait what
[01:50] <Darkside> oh
[01:50] <Darkside> you retweered
[01:50] <Gillerire> lol, yes
[01:50] <Gillerire> not that I have many followers
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[01:51] <Gillerire> I'm gonna shoot into the city to run some errands so I'm back before burst
[01:51] <Darkside> kk
[01:55] <Darkside> damn i love nextg
[01:55] <Darkside> mottle of nowhere, full 3g coverage
[01:55] <Darkside> middle*
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[01:56] <Darkside> hey jcoxon
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[02:00] <jcoxon> hey
[02:00] <jcoxon> off to bed
[02:00] <jcoxon> good luck with the launch!
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[02:00] <juxta-chasecar> thanks jcoxon
[02:02] <chase-vk5zm> juxta hi honey were home
[02:04] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[02:04] <natrium42> it's indeed doing the loop
[02:04] <natrium42> neat
[02:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:12] <Lunar_Lander> still 1.5 h till 40 km
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[02:15] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/T5fdYhxn Hanging around at Lameroo, waiting for the balloon to burst. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115247576369995776]
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[02:16] <Darkside> what the frick, its going north again
[02:16] <natrium42> lol
[02:17] <natrium42> the predictor is not as fine grain as RL
[02:17] <Darkside> heh
[02:17] <Lunar_Lander> how is it around there btw?
[02:17] <Darkside> yeah
[02:17] <Lunar_Lander> you have spring now right?
[02:17] <Darkside> how is it?
[02:17] <Darkside> its nice :P
[02:17] <Darkside> theoretically
[02:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:18] <Darkside> see pic :P
[02:18] <Lunar_Lander> I once read something about Winter in the Wyndham area
[02:18] <Darkside> hanging around, waiting for burst
[02:18] <Lunar_Lander> 30°C instead of 45°C
[02:18] <Darkside> ahh its about 25 or so atm
[02:18] <Darkside> nice
[02:19] <Lunar_Lander> nice place
[02:19] <Darkside> lol
[02:19] <Darkside> not really
[02:19] <Darkside> but it works
[02:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[02:19] <Darkside> we might need to go find osmeplace with power
[02:19] <Lunar_Lander> but that there is a bench and stuff
[02:19] <Darkside> heh
[02:19] <Lunar_Lander> is that like what they showed on TV that there are public grills in the city because grilling is prohibited in the country because of the fire hazard?
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[02:21] <Demon> Me again.
[02:21] <Demon> With no questions, tough.
[02:21] <Demon> Flight went well ? Recovert was made ?
[02:23] <natrium42> still in the air
[02:23] <natrium42> almost 25km altitude
[02:24] <Darkside> aaand going up
[02:24] <natrium42> 2 hours left
[02:24] <Darkside> heh
[02:24] <Darkside> we're gonna be sitting around for a while...
[02:25] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : is that public grill thing true?
[02:26] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: only partially
[02:26] <Darkside> :P
[02:26] <Darkside> they do exist
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[02:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[02:29] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : what about a quiz question for the wait :)?
[02:30] <Darkside> eh?
[02:30] <Darkside> i should an AMA on reddit
[02:30] <Lunar_Lander> what does five-, six- and nine-degrees-of-freedom mean sensor-wise?
[02:30] <Darkside> :P
[02:30] <Darkside> no fucking idea
[02:30] <Darkside> google it
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[02:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD I know the answer
[02:31] <Lunar_Lander> it's a quiz for you
[02:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[02:31] <Darkside> meh
[02:31] <Darkside> dont care atm
[02:32] <Lunar_Lander> ok :)
[02:33] <Gillerire> back :)
[02:34] <natrium42> in black?
[02:34] <Darkside> Gillerire: you've got a bit of a wait befor eburst
[02:34] <Darkside> almost at 27km
[02:34] <Gillerire> well then, might as well do some programming while I wait :)
[02:35] <Gillerire> natrium42: in blue, sorry to say ;)
[02:36] <natrium42> pfft
[02:39] <Demon> I can tell you, Lunar_Lander
[02:40] <Demon> 9 degrees is a three axis accelero, three axis gyro and three axis magneto all in one
[02:40] <Demon> You start from there
[02:40] <Demon> five's a mix of accelero and gyros, maybe with a magnetometer somewhere
[02:41] <Demon> 6's 3 axis accelero + 3 axis gyro
[02:41] <SpeedEvil> Add more, add you may have a pitot or something in the mix
[02:42] <Demon> pitot ?
[02:43] <Demon> Didn't read it was a quiz,
[02:43] <Demon> My bad.
[02:43] <Lunar_Lander> demon is right :)
[02:44] <Lunar_Lander> five is 3-axis accel + 2-axis gyro
[02:45] <Demon> Or the opposite
[02:45] <Demon> Could be wathever you want
[02:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:45] <Darkside> bbl
[02:45] <Demon> Arent you already dispatched to the landing area, Darkside ?
[02:46] <juxta-chasecar> Demon, yep
[02:46] <juxta-chasecar> we're all sitting waiting and having lunch :)
[02:46] <Demon> How much of you are ?
[02:47] <juxta-chasecar> well there's 7 of us
[02:47] <juxta-chasecar> 3 in my car 4 in the other car
[02:47] <Demon> I have faith.
[02:48] <Demon> :o
[02:49] <Demon> What about the tracking device ?
[02:49] <Lunar_Lander> we'll cross 100000ft soon
[02:52] <Lunar_Lander> we passed 100000ft now
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[02:53] <juxta-chasecar> Demon, it's one of our usual ones
[02:53] <juxta-chasecar> they've had plenty of testing :)
[02:54] <Demon> If it's the 10mw based one, you sure need a device to find it once it's on the ground
[02:56] <Gillerire> Is the balloon really be tracked from Africa and Japan?
[02:56] <Lunar_Lander> VK5EE is not in africa
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> if you look closely, he is shown at 0° latitude, 0° longitude
[02:57] <Gillerire> ah I see
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> he might have forgotten to see his coordinates
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> because in american flights, people show up in china
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> those mostly have mixed up their longitudes
[02:57] <Gillerire> fair enough
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> as the system needs a negative longitude if you are in the western hemisphere
[02:57] <Gillerire> so that's just people with the wrong settings?
[02:57] <Lunar_Lander> and positive longitudes are east
[02:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:58] <Lunar_Lander> those in Japan could have the same problem I described, just with latitude
[02:58] <Lunar_Lander> if you zoom in
[02:58] <juxta-chasecar> Demon, usually we have no trouble picking them up
[02:59] <Lunar_Lander> the more southerly one near Japan, he is right in the Pacific Gillerire
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[02:59] <juxta-chasecar> so long as we receive them down to a reasonable altitude
[02:59] <juxta-chasecar> hi Adrian :-)
[02:59] <Demon> I heard range's only a few hundred meters at ground level
[02:59] <vk5zsn> how is it going
[02:59] <vk5zsn> altitude?
[02:59] <juxta-chasecar> 31.8 right now
[03:00] <juxta-chasecar> Demon, yes - that's true
[03:00] <vk5zsn> tracker not working from airport
[03:00] <juxta-chasecar> but if you recieve it down until 1 or 2km altitude then you'll know roughly where it has landed
[03:01] <juxta-chasecar> no worries, are you still in adl vk5zsn?
[03:01] <vk5zsn> Brisbane
[03:01] <vk5zsn> which tracker you using?
[03:02] <vk5zsn> send link
[03:02] <vk5zsn> in a kiosk
[03:02] <juxta-chasecar> just the normal one
[03:02] <juxta-chasecar> http://spacenear.us/tracker
[03:03] <vk5zsn> thats not too good probably too many data points?
[03:03] <vk5zsn> tell altitude out on here from time to time
[03:05] <juxta-chasecar> just about to pass 33
[03:06] <Lunar_Lander> you are in a kiosk vk5zsn?
[03:06] <vk5zsn> yep in Brisbane
[03:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[03:06] <Lunar_Lander> so you do ham radio besides owning a kiosk?
[03:07] <vk5zsn> got kiosk (as in internet cafe) working.
[03:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[03:07] <vk5zsn> can see tracker now ok
[03:07] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, I thought of a kiosk as I know it
[03:08] <Lunar_Lander> a little building where you get beverages and magazines and so on
[03:08] <vk5zsn> ha ha
[03:08] <vk5zsn> no i mean an internet pay terminal..
[03:08] <vk5zsn> I phone is crap as a tracker display !
[03:09] <vk5zsn> cant see vzi on map where are you juxta
[03:09] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[03:09] <juxta-chasecar> i am at the same spot as matt vk5zsn
[03:10] <vk5zsn> kk
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[03:11] <juxta-chasecar> 34km now
[03:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[03:13] <Lunar_Lander> course deviates from prediction
[03:13] <Lunar_Lander> goes due south-west
[03:13] <Lunar_Lander> now back nourth-west
[03:13] <Lunar_Lander> north
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[03:18] <vk5zsn> 73 going on next flight
[03:19] <Lunar_Lander4811> daily disconnect
[03:19] <Demon> Do you a yagi ?
[03:19] <Demon> Or omni ?
[03:19] <Demon> *use
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[03:24] <Lunar_Lander4811> 36 km
[03:25] <Lunar_Lander4811> 36001 m in fact
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[03:28] <Lunar_Lander4811> Cloud2 surpassed
[03:28] <Darkside> hehe
[03:28] <Darkside> woo
[03:28] <Demon> But are you using an omni or yagi ?
[03:29] <Lunar_Lander4811> :)
[03:29] <Darkside> ?
[03:29] <Darkside> Demon: what do you mean
[03:29] <Darkside> it a 1/4 wave omni on the balloon
[03:29] <Darkside> and the same on the ground
[03:29] <Darkside> some of the listeners elsewhere are using yagis
[03:29] <Demon> Okay
[03:30] <Demon> You did'nt bother to try with simple omni
[03:30] <Darkside> uhh
[03:30] <Demon> Wait
[03:30] <Darkside> we are using omnis
[03:30] <Demon> Is the 1/4 reflected ?
[03:30] <Darkside> yes, it has a ground plane
[03:30] <Demon> Wooops
[03:30] <Demon> Then I fail
[03:31] <Darkside> yes, yes you do
[03:31] <Demon> I couldn't anymore
[03:31] <Darkside> jeez ascent rate is slowing....
[03:31] <Lunar_Lander4811> xD exactly above a farmhouse
[03:32] <Darkside> hmm almost floated there
[03:33] <Lunar_Lander4811> yea
[03:33] <Gillerire> does it mean anything if the ascent rate is slowing?
[03:33] <Darkside> not always
[03:34] <Darkside> hmm, how valid is the data > 35km...
[03:34] <Darkside> i'm betting theres no real data, its just operating off models
[03:34] <Darkside> and those models may not be correct.
[03:34] <Darkside> yay.
[03:35] <Lunar_Lander4811> there must be more research with getting the helium temperature and pressure
[03:36] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar:
[03:36] <Darkside> you see that?
[03:36] <Darkside> wind data >35km is wrong
[03:37] <juxta-chasecar> yea we have noticed
[03:37] <Darkside> we may have to go north from pinaroo
[03:37] <Darkside> jeez the ascent rate has slowed
[03:39] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: you may want sow down a bit if you go over the border
[03:39] <Darkside> might cost a few $$
[03:39] <Darkside> :P
[03:40] <juxta-chasecar> terry is worried about a float situation
[03:40] <Darkside> yeah
[03:40] <Darkside> i'm seeing this too
[03:40] <Darkside> i think we need to go north
[03:40] <Gillerire> nobody likes a floater
[03:40] <Darkside> if it continues ont his track, we need to get north
[03:40] <Darkside> Gillerire: applies in ballooning, and other things
[03:41] <Gillerire> ;)
[03:41] <Darkside> floooooooater
[03:41] <Darkside> fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:42] <juxta-chasecar> it does look like it
[03:42] <Darkside> i think we need to go north...
[03:43] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: i think we've decided to go north
[03:44] <Demon> I need to go to sleep-you'll tell me the ending of this recovery
[03:44] <Demon> Hopefully it'll be sucessful :)
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[03:46] <Darkside> floooooooating
[03:46] <Lunar_Lander4811> 0.0 m/s ascent rate
[03:46] <Darkside> fuck
[03:46] <Darkside> ok
[03:47] <Darkside> now we wait for it to burst..
[03:47] <juxta-chasecar> looks like we underfilled -terry
[03:47] <Darkside> yup
[03:47] <Lunar_Lander4811> I wonder
[03:47] <Lunar_Lander4811> if it would have a ballast system
[03:47] <Lunar_Lander4811> if dopping ballast now would work
[03:47] <Lunar_Lander4811> *dropping
[03:48] <SpeedEvil> At least this one isn't landing in the atlantic.
[03:48] <Darkside> lol
[03:48] <gm> it's moving again, 1m/s
[03:48] <gm> what altitude is it expected to burst at? or is it going to be a pain because it's underfilled?
[03:48] <Lunar_Lander4811> yea
[03:49] <Lunar_Lander4811> probably a little solar action there
[03:49] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: horus 7
[03:50] <chase-vk5zm> darkide will be back after these tere words with his server #%%^&#@%$%^^&
[03:50] <chase-vk5zm> tere = terse
[03:50] <Darkside> eeyup
[03:50] <gm> not behaving? :P
[03:51] <gm> burst prediction is heading for sydney
[03:52] <gm> just came back a bit...
[03:52] <Darkside> burst prediction is crap
[03:53] <Darkside> we have no good data above 35km
[03:53] <gm> considering it's underfilled, have fun
[03:53] <Darkside> ok, discussion has been had
[03:53] <Darkside> heading north
[04:00] <Lunar_Lander4811> heading towards a forest
[04:00] <Darkside> not really a forest
[04:00] <Darkside> but yeah
[04:00] <Darkside> billatt
[04:01] <Lunar_Lander4811> yea
[04:02] <gm> also why does the wind tracker seem to suggest it's going at a 90 degree angle to where it is?
[04:02] <Darkside> because there is no data at that altitud
[04:03] <Darkside> the predictor doenst know the wind speed and direction up there
[04:03] <gm> ahh right
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[04:03] <gm> it is rather high off the ground, yeah
[04:03] <Darkside> no shit
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[04:04] <gm> Darkside: no, i was reading the altitude as feet
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[04:11] <Darkside> hmm
[04:11] <Darkside> sitting on the edge of NextG
[04:11] <Darkside> yay
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[04:13] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : I think I have to sign off, I am too tired to continue
[04:13] <Lunar_Lander> hope that the flight ends with a safe landing
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[04:24] <Darkside> wow, we are on the bare edge of nextg
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[04:25] <Darkside> hi vk5pj
[04:26] <vk5pj> howdy, just having a look to see if any of the Horus crew are here?
[04:27] <Darkside> oh yes
[04:27] <Darkside> that would be me
[04:27] <Darkside> i;m in a car with VK5GR and VK5ZM
[04:27] <Darkside> VK5VZI is behind us
[04:27] <Darkside> i'm VK5FDRK
[04:27] <vk5pj> LOL, good to see, the telemetry is rocketing in here on 70cm..
[04:28] <Darkside> cool
[04:28] <SpeedEvil> Impressive - 8 recievers!
[04:30] <vk5pj> Will leave rx on telemetry until I loose signal which last time was near impact :-)
[04:30] <Darkside> cool
[04:30] <Darkside> thanks for the help!
[04:31] <vk5pj> is there a mailing list I can sunscribe to about future launches? nearly missed this on all toghther..
[04:31] <Darkside> pm me your email address
[04:31] <Darkside> and i'll get terry to put you on the main mailing list
[04:35] <vk5pj> off to get some lunch, happy travels
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[04:44] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/MR4flrkq More waiting for burst... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115285039822028800]
[04:50] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/r7Am6yFX Low SNR? Problem solved! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115286613399060480]
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[05:10] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Handbrake turn in a Toyota Hilux? YEEEEEEAHHHHHH #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115291472655425536]
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[05:25] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Chinese rubber: lasts longer than you can. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115295376235433985]
[05:26] <Gillerire> still no burst?
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[05:32] <gm> Gillerire: evidently not, still rising incredibly slowly
[05:33] <Gillerire> hmmm, well at least it's a nice day :0
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[05:44] <polycarbonate1> why so warm?
[05:44] <natrium42> tropopause
[05:45] <polycarbonate1> ah
[05:45] <polycarbonate1> cool
[05:45] <natrium42> yeah, pretty hot :D
[05:45] <twoolie> oh man, that is so hot.
[05:45] <twoolie> how far are you guys willing to chase it?
[05:46] <polycarbonate1> QLD
[05:46] <polycarbonate1> kgo
[05:46] <Darkside> goddamnit
[05:46] <Darkside> this is going to be an interesting chase
[05:46] <polycarbonate1> haha
[05:47] <polycarbonate1> burst?
[05:47] <Darkside> we may not get it back...
[05:47] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: no
[05:47] <Darkside> its floating...
[05:47] <polycarbonate1> hmm, falling though
[05:47] <Darkside> not enough to be significant
[05:47] <twoolie> so why are you guys sitting arounda at pinnaroo?
[05:47] <polycarbonate1> I'll lo if it lands in the water
[05:48] <Darkside> w'ere deciding where to go
[05:48] <polycarbonate1> *lol
[05:48] <Darkside> we either go into the big desert wilderness park, going south
[05:48] <Darkside> and hope it lands near a fire track
[05:48] <Darkside> or we go around the park, and hope it floats across to the other side
[05:48] <polycarbonate1> hmm
[05:49] <gm> at this rate, you'll be lucky if it bursts :P
[05:49] <polycarbonate1> I reckon it will land in Wyperfield Nat. park
[05:49] <Darkside> gm: the problem is UV wil break it down
[05:49] <Darkside> but we don't know how long until that happens
[05:49] <Darkside> and if it'll happen at all
[05:49] <Darkside> theres just so many unknowns
[05:49] <polycarbonate1> hahaha
[05:49] <polycarbonate1> win
[05:49] <gm> Darkside: a week? :P
[05:49] <polycarbonate1> going up agian
[05:49] <Darkside> if this thing stays up until sunset, its going to be up for a long time
[05:49] <polycarbonate1> er, yeah
[05:50] <gm> and it'll be tracked until you either lose it or the batteries run out
[05:50] <gm> good thing you're using AAs
[05:50] <Darkside> yep
[05:50] <shenki> Darkside: we can pick it up on the way to lca in janurary
[05:50] <polycarbonate1> I can so see it ending in Melbourne
[05:50] <Darkside> shenki: bahaha
[05:50] <polycarbonate1> shenki: my thoughts exactly
[05:51] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: if it stays on this track...
[05:51] <gm> shenki: LOL
[05:51] <gm> nah, hope for a high altitude wind change
[05:51] <polycarbonate1> I nearly said before, just tell me where it lands, and I'll get it on the way over
[05:51] <gm> bring it back to adelaide :P
[05:51] <shenki> Darkside: couldn't get the funcube going. i took screenshots of a bunch of different signals on the waterfall in spectravue, but nothing that was discernably rtty
[05:51] <shenki> s/rtty/fsk/
[05:52] <Darkside> heh ok
[05:52] <Darkside> i think its a bit far out for you now
[05:52] <shenki> yeah
[05:53] <shenki> again, too many unknowns. I don't know if im pointing the antenna in the right direction, or if there's some other issue with the funcube that stops it working
[05:54] <polycarbonate1> did you have any idea this would happen before launch?
[05:54] <twoolie> Darkside, next time include a cutdown mechanism?
[05:54] <polycarbonate1> you didn't know by the weather?
[05:54] <Darkside> twoolie: haha
[05:54] <Darkside> yeah...
[05:54] <gm> polycarbonate1: the balloon is underfilled
[05:54] <gm> twoolie: preferably a pyroelectric one
[05:54] <gm> for bonus points, fill balloon with hydrogen
[05:54] <polycarbonate1> let wil5on shoot it down
[05:54] <polycarbonate1> haha
[05:55] <gm> we'll just buy a "used, one careful owner" mig-21 from china, ship it over here... problem solved :P
[05:56] <Darkside> i don't think MIG-21's get to 130000 feet
[05:56] <Darkside> thats more U2 territory
[05:57] <gm> yeah, the plan has slight issues
[05:57] <gm> but i don't think funding extends to a U2
[05:57] <polycarbonate1> gm: CS Club needs a Mig anyway
[05:58] <gm> Darkside: service ceiling is 62335 ft
[05:58] <Darkside> heh
[05:58] <Darkside> well theres your problem
[05:58] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: there's a camera onboard, right?
[05:58] <gm> so you'd need something else to go the other ~60k :P
[05:58] <Darkside> no polycarbonate1
[05:58] <polycarbonate1> fail
[05:58] <Darkside> too heavy
[05:58] <Darkside> also batteries would have failed by now
[05:58] <Darkside> 6 hours...
[05:59] <polycarbonate1> have it on motion detect or something
[05:59] <Darkside> uhh
[05:59] <Darkside> thats not going to help
[05:59] <polycarbonate1> lol
[05:59] <Darkside> it going to be constantly moving
[05:59] <polycarbonate1> maybe not
[05:59] <polycarbonate1> the camera could have an unchanged view of blue for a while
[05:59] <gm> polycarbonate1: the additional hardware to turn it on when the picture is significantly different may as well just take pictures
[06:00] <polycarbonate1> gm: PIR then :P
[06:00] <polycarbonate1> oh wait...
[06:00] <polycarbonate1> :P
[06:00] <polycarbonate1> it would be epic if the balloon reaches Ballarat
[06:01] <shenki> Darkside: what do you think that is? http://jms.id.au/~shenki/tmp/signal.png
[06:01] <Darkside> LIDs
[06:01] <Darkside> LIPDs*
[06:02] <shenki> Lipids constitute a broad group of naturally occurring molecules which include fats, waxes, sterols, fat-soluble vitamins...
[06:02] <gm> low interference potential device
[06:03] <shenki> gm: thanks :) what are they for?
[06:03] <polycarbonate1> not making fat? :P
[06:03] <Darkside> everything
[06:03] <Darkside> lol
[06:03] <Darkside> anyway
[06:03] <Darkside> we are going into victoria
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[06:03] <polycarbonate1> have fun, take fruit
[06:03] <shenki> we hate you because you're victorian
[06:03] <Darkside> lol
[06:04] <shenki> Darkside: at what distance from adelaide will you call it quits?
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[06:04] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Horus 16 is heading into Victoria, and so are we... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115305181511561216]
[06:04] <gm> shenki: basically crap like garage door remotes, wireless microphones, air conditioner controls etc
[06:05] <g0pher> bun: are you on #highaltitude ? what is your nick ?
[06:06] <g0pher> we built rockets from pipe - zinc sulpher - amazed we did not blow ourselves up
[06:07] <shenki> gm: ah okay. thanks.
[06:14] <gm> Darkside: how long do the batteries last?
[06:15] <Darkside> approx 20 hours
[06:17] <gm> so that's until when?
[06:17] <Darkside> uhmm
[06:17] <Darkside> 14 hours from now
[06:17] <Darkside> approx
[06:18] <polycarbonate1> what's the longest flight on record?
[06:18] <polycarbonate1> are you going to set another record? :P
[06:20] <Gillerire> lol
[06:21] <g0pher> pod: u here
[06:21] <Darkside> longest flight on record is like 40 hours with a zero pressure
[06:21] <polycarbonate1> oh
[06:22] <natrium42> amatuer flight
[06:22] <natrium42> there were some pretty long flights with solar balloons
[06:22] <polycarbonate1> *cough* Roswell *cough*
[06:29] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/mkaBn6k5 In Victoria... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115311482262126592]
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[06:33] <natrium42> at least it looks like it will land in populated areas
[06:33] <polycarbonate1> yeah, maybe hit someome :P
[06:34] <natrium42> kangaroos?
[06:35] <Darkside> oh man
[06:35] <Darkside> 800km path
[06:35] <Darkside> we had a report on vklogger
[06:35] <natrium42> whoa
[06:36] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: wanna make a mod of chasetracker so it caps our speed at 110kph?
[06:36] <natrium42> and their lat/lon are correct? :P
[06:36] <Darkside> it might be a good idea if we're going to be in vic for a while
[06:36] <natrium42> haha
[06:37] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: are you going to stop in walpeup?
[06:37] <shenki> Darkside: speed limit is 100km/h in vic :)
[06:37] <Darkside> not on this road
[06:37] <Darkside> :-)
[06:37] <shenki> sure? i thought that the entire state was 100kmh
[06:37] <gm> except the bits that are 30
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[06:38] <Darkside> haha
[06:38] <shenki> gm: yeah, except the slower bits
[06:38] Action: natrium42 screenshots Darkside'd speed violation
[06:39] <Darkside> noooooooo
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[06:39] <shenki> what happened to the timestamps for the chase cars?
[06:39] <Darkside> VK2HRX: are you receiving?
[06:39] <Darkside> shenki: no idea
[06:39] <Darkside> VK2HRX: i am in VK5ZM's car
[06:40] <vk5zm-chase> 2hrx where are you we wonder?
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[06:40] <vk5zm-chase> and can you hear our wayward baloon?
[06:41] <Darkside> vk2hrx ping
[06:42] <shenki> pingy ping VK2HRX or vk2hrx_
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[06:42] <Darkside> shenki: can you communicate with entering VKs please
[06:42] <Darkside> we haven't got reliable internet
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[06:42] <shenki> Darkside: entering?
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[06:42] <Darkside> joiing*
[06:42] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: hey
[06:42] <shenki> ah. i have join/parts slient for the channel
[06:42] Action: shenki turns them on
[06:42] <Darkside> we need a speed-capped version of chasetracker
[06:43] <shenki> heh. we've been saying that for about a year :)
[06:44] <Gillerire> why are you only worried about it in Victoria?
[06:44] <Darkside> haha
[06:44] <Darkside> well, it matters now
[06:44] <Darkside> Gillerire: good point
[06:44] <natrium42> uh also, i saw you make a shortcut across grass when road turned
[06:44] <Gillerire> oh, I thought there was something special about VIC, hehe
[06:45] <juxta-chasecar> the speed limit is lower
[06:45] <Gillerire> some kind of ham radio vigilante squad
[06:45] <Upu> oh dear
[06:45] <Upu> morning
[06:45] <Gillerire> is it only 100 on that road?
[06:46] Action: natrium42 reports one red and one blue car speeding on the B12 in VIC
[06:46] <Darkside> yep
[06:46] <Darkside> i'm in the red car
[06:46] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: is in the blue
[06:47] <natrium42> :D
[06:47] <juxta-chasecar> max speed in vic is 100. 110 in sa
[06:47] <Darkside> not on this road
[06:47] <Darkside> also we are stuck behind a road train
[06:47] <Upu> Darkside Mig-25's get to 123,520 ft just
[06:47] <Darkside> SA Potato Co
[06:48] <Upu> but its not armed so wouldn't be able to shoot it down :)
[06:48] <Upu> nice float
[06:49] <Darkside> you say that like we intended it
[06:49] <Darkside> >_>
[06:49] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/Rps9cr0e Damn these road trains! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115316520149721088]
[06:49] <Upu> hah
[06:50] <polycarbonate1> why do chase cars have speed anyway?
[06:50] <Darkside> no idea lol
[06:50] <polycarbonate1> I'd think just a "Stationary/Moving" would do
[06:50] <Darkside> they probably shhouldn't :P
[06:50] <Darkside> hahaha
[06:50] <Darkside> yes
[06:51] <shenki> it's good; you can tell weather they will catch the balloon or not
[06:51] <polycarbonate1> yes
[06:51] <polycarbonate1> I dont see the speeding thing as really an issue
[06:51] <polycarbonate1> GPS receivers can be inaccurate
[06:52] <polycarbonate1> I'm pretty sure you can't be taken to court over it
[06:52] <gm> no, if you get in trouble for it, simply tell them that the speed is multiplied by 1.2 to make it look like the chase car is going faster
[06:52] <polycarbonate1> wait what
[06:53] <polycarbonate1> I think I missed a reference
[06:54] <Darkside> lol
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[06:54] <Darkside> VK2HRX:
[06:54] <Darkside> are you receiving telemetry?
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[06:56] <Darkside> hehehehe
[06:56] <juxta-chasecar> almost ran over a cat..
[06:56] <Darkside> check out our speed now!
[06:56] <Darkside> :D
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[06:56] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: check out our speed :P
[06:56] <gm> 0km/h lol
[06:56] <Upu> the irony is you're about to go through "Speedkills"
[06:56] <juxta-chasecar> must be too fast to register :P
[06:57] <Darkside> yup
[06:57] <Darkside> overflow
[06:57] <vk5zm-chase> we're flying we're flying
[06:57] <Darkside> we're gettin diesel at walpeup
[06:57] <vk5zm-chase> look ma!
[06:57] <Darkside> before we head south
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[06:58] <quail> damn guys, don't think you excepted to be traveling the distance you have
[06:58] <Darkside> hell no
[06:58] <Darkside> lol
[06:58] <Darkside> this is a new record for us
[06:58] <polycarbonate1> wish this'd been the day I came along...
[06:58] <Upu> mean while in England Upu is off to walk his dog
[06:58] <Upu> hey I assume the sun will be going down there soon
[06:59] <quail> damn the landing prediction just changed again
[06:59] <Upu> and when the sun goes down its likely to continue to float or decent ?
[06:59] <Darkside> in a few hours
[06:59] <gm> and at this rate, so will the balloon
[06:59] <shenki> polycarbonate1: hah, im glad that i couldn't make it today :)
[06:59] <Darkside> nfi
[06:59] <polycarbonate1> oh yeah, heading East
[06:59] <juxta-chasecar> 2.5 ish hours of sun left
[07:00] <gm> what do the green and blue arrows represent?
[07:00] <gm> s/arrows/rings
[07:00] <gm> i know they're RF horizons, but i can't remember which is which
[07:01] <quail> greem be rk and blue for horizon?
[07:01] <Darkside> yeah
[07:01] <Darkside> green is 5 deg
[07:01] <quail> s/rk/rf
[07:01] <Darkside> blue is horizon i think
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[07:03] <gm> because it's about to shift the green outside the adelaide recievers
[07:03] <polycarbonate1> I've lost it
[07:03] <gm> though vk5vco is still seeing it
[07:03] <polycarbonate1> did about ten mins ago
[07:04] <gm> and so it vk5alx
[07:04] <gm> though that's a yago
[07:04] <gm> *yagi
[07:06] <polycarbonate1> it's suddenly cold outside
[07:08] <Gillerire> how long are you going to chase it?
[07:08] <quail> till run out fuel? lol j/k
[07:08] <polycarbonate1> quail: they already refueled
[07:09] <quail> hope fuel cheaper over there than here
[07:09] <polycarbonate1> lol
[07:10] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: is this the first Micronut?
[07:10] <shenki> yup
[07:10] <shenki> there's two built up
[07:10] <shenki> the one that's flying, and the backup
[07:11] <shenki> i built the backup :)
[07:11] <quail> hehe, mother nature wants the micronut
[07:11] <polycarbonate1> you heading South to Tempy?
[07:11] <gm> umm, i think it's now lower than it was
[07:12] <gm> yeah, 300m below max altitude
[07:12] <polycarbonate1> gm: yeah, lost the pocket methinks
[07:12] <gm> polycarbonate1: no, i think it's topped out, and is just floating round
[07:12] <shenki> it's pretty warm up there
[07:12] <shenki> 0 degrees
[07:13] <shenki> outside
[07:13] <twoolie> at least it's past the national park
[07:13] <gm> but who knows where it'll land
[07:14] <polycarbonate1> Ballarat at this rate :P
[07:14] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/zTrbPxfF Discussing our next move... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115322750117228544]
[07:14] <quail> so you going to just let it do it thing and not force it down?
[07:15] <twoolie> is there a cutdown device?
[07:15] <shenki> twoolie: nope :)
[07:15] <twoolie> so how would you force it down?
[07:15] <polycarbonate1> quail: nothing they can do
[07:15] <polycarbonate1> twoolie: shoot it down
[07:16] <shenki> with lasers
[07:16] <shenki> from space
[07:16] <twoolie> LOIC here! targeting....
[07:16] <twoolie> Missed! whoops... hit an orphanage
[07:16] <quail> hehe, I thought all the horus balloons were built equiped with cutdown/off device
[07:17] <shenki> the inverse of that statement is true
[07:17] <Darkside> haha
[07:17] <polycarbonate1> quail: how? the telemetry's one way
[07:17] <shenki> Darkside: so, what's the go?
[07:18] <twoolie> polycarbonate1: have a timer? if it flies too long it cus itself down automatically
[07:18] <polycarbonate1> you could, but why do you want to?
[07:18] <Darkside> shenki: we're heading to "Sea Lake" in victoria
[07:18] <Darkside> to try and get to the balloons path
[07:18] <gm> polycarbonate1: the current situation
[07:18] <polycarbonate1> what's wrong with the current situation?
[07:19] <polycarbonate1> :P
[07:19] <twoolie> red chase car speed isnt updating....
[07:19] <Darkside> terry is heading south to follow the balloon
[07:19] <shenki> Darkside: ok, so when will you call it quits?
[07:19] <quail> polycarbonate1: ok, did know that
[07:19] <Darkside> we're heading to ouyen to get fuel
[07:19] <Darkside> shenki: when we decide
[07:19] <shenki> lol
[07:19] <Darkside> we're thinking of going to the river then calling it quits
[07:19] <shenki> vauge much? :)
[07:19] <shenki> ok
[07:19] <Darkside> just so we can say we went through 3 states
[07:19] <Darkside> then gave p
[07:19] <Darkside> :P
[07:19] <shenki> lol
[07:20] <shenki> it's getting really warm up there
[07:20] <gm> Darkside: because you're wanted by the AFP in 3 states? :P
[07:20] <shenki> 14 degrees outside
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[07:20] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: I'll seriously attempt to retrieve it in January if it's still there
[07:20] <quail> at rate it going I forsee a boat hire o.0
[07:20] <Darkside> haha
[07:20] <Darkside> hey daveake
[07:21] <polycarbonate1> end up in NZ? :P
[07:21] <daveake> hey!
[07:21] <daveake> How did it go?
[07:21] <gm> at the rate it's going, i suggest contacting someone in NZ
[07:21] <shenki> daveake: "how is it going" would be more appropriate
[07:21] <quail> or end up with couple damn good sea swimmers
[07:21] <daveake> F word?
[07:21] <gm> "how is it *still* going"
[07:21] <shenki> Darkside: it's in a float, 100km the wrong side of the border
[07:21] <polycarbonate1> lol gm
[07:21] <Darkside> daveake: flooooooooooating
[07:21] <daveake> Going for or already got the float record?
[07:21] <Darkside> it been floating for a while..
[07:22] <Darkside> haha
[07:22] <Darkside> what is the float record
[07:22] <Darkside> lol
[07:22] <shenki> it's been loating for as long as it was ascenidng
[07:22] <daveake> 10 hours I think
[07:22] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: use better battiers next time :P
[07:22] <daveake> Ah, see it now
[07:22] <polycarbonate1> *batteries
[07:22] <quail> lol
[07:23] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: we used great batteries
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[07:23] <quail> Darkside: energisers?
[07:23] <polycarbonate1> or rather, use moar batteries
[07:23] <Darkside> quail:
[07:23] <Darkside> yep
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[07:23] <Darkside> AA lithiums
[07:23] <quail> Darkside: so you stuffed that bunny in there hey, lmao
[07:24] <gm> it's been up there for ~7.5 hours
[07:24] <gm> Darkside: should make it report battery voltage back
[07:24] <polycarbonate1> yeah
[07:24] <Darkside> gm: yeah that was an overight
[07:24] <Darkside> oversight*
[07:24] <daveake> How many hours batt life expected?
[07:24] <polycarbonate1> or at least a low battery warning
[07:24] <Darkside> 21
[07:24] <gm> i didn't suggest it because i thought you *were*
[07:25] <gm> oh well, micronut v2
[07:25] <twoolie> do you have any friends in that state that can track it as it goes past?
[07:25] <polycarbonate1> also, lithiums don't decay...
[07:25] <Darkside> twoolie: lots of hams
[07:25] <gm> Darkside: that, or nanonut
[07:25] <daveake> My friend Pudding lives in NZ. I'll put him on alert :p
[07:25] <shenki> mmmm pudding
[07:26] <gm> ok, so 63km/h roughly west for 14 more hours
[07:26] <daveake> He's a yorkshireman ... Yoorkshire Pudding
[07:26] <twoolie> Darkside: put out the call to hams!
[07:26] <Darkside> we are
[07:26] <shenki> daveake: i c :)
[07:26] <twoolie> get them to report the position
[07:26] <Darkside> its on vklogger
[07:26] <twoolie> see how far it can fly
[07:26] <twoolie> vklogger?
[07:26] <Darkside> range reporting site for hams
[07:26] <daveake> It'll still be flying when Australia ave been knocked out of the rugby ;)
[07:27] <polycarbonate1> twoolie: I'm trying to get hold of VK7FOSS
[07:27] <gm> ocean is about 791km west
[07:27] <shenki> he's in tassie... i doubt that he'd be able to see it
[07:28] <Darkside> shenki: look at the horizon
[07:28] <shenki> Darkside: hobart
[07:28] <Darkside> oh
[07:28] <gm> so, at this rate, it's going off the west coast if it keeps going that way at that speed
[07:28] <polycarbonate1> shenki: he is currently, but I think he might
[07:28] <gm> s/west/east/
[07:28] <shenki> gm: that would be cool
[07:28] <polycarbonate1> gm: yeah, NZ
[07:28] <shenki> if we're going to lose it, lets alteast lose it proper
[07:28] <gm> yeah, into the sea :P
[07:29] <polycarbonate1> you know it would be awesome if it came back all the way via Chile :P
[07:29] <gm> if you're lucky, 3 states 1 territory :P
[07:29] <twoolie> or into lake tyrrell
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[07:29] <gm> if it lands in canberra
[07:29] <Darkside> aww shit
[07:29] <Darkside> 100kph zone
[07:30] <polycarbonate1> perhaps you should've got plantain to follow it :P
[07:30] <gm> Darkside: get didz to be the chase car :P
[07:30] <polycarbonate1> lol
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[07:32] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: doing a launch from Ballarat in January?
[07:32] <twoolie> any stations called in to help?
[07:32] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: doubt it
[07:32] <Darkside> twoolie: we'vew got a VK1 coming online soon
[07:32] <Darkside> canberra
[07:34] <Upu> MiG-25 is an impressive beast : On 25 July 1973, A. Fedotov reached 35,230m with 1,000 kg payload, and 36,240 m with no load (an absolute world record).
[07:34] <Upu> n the thin air, the engines flamed out and the aircraft coasted on in a ballistic trajectory by inertia alone. At the apex the speed had dropped to 75 km/h.
[07:34] <polycarbonate1> woah
[07:34] <Upu> on 31 August 1977, "Ye-266M" flown by MiG OKB Chief Test Pilot Alexander V. Fedotov, set the recognized absolute altitude record for a jet aircraft under its own power.
[07:34] <Upu> e reached 37,650 metres (123,520 ft) at Podmoskovnoye, USSR in zoom climb
[07:34] <gm> yeah, the russians built some crazy planes
[07:35] <gm> the mig-21 is basically a missile with a seat on it
[07:35] <twoolie> Darkside: what's the weight limit on one of these baloons?
[07:35] <polycarbonate1> in SOviet Russia, plane flew you
[07:35] <Darkside> 4kg
[07:35] <Upu> so you have the SR-71 pissing fuel all over the run way with super complex materials and the MiG-21 with socking great enginers and very basic design
[07:35] <Upu> lol yeah
[07:35] <gm> or tu-144 vs concorde
[07:35] <Upu> anyway sorry ot, back to Float-Central
[07:36] <gm> i think it was more of a wonder that the tu-144 took off
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[07:43] <vk5zm-chase> juxta - good chinese rubber eh!
[07:43] <vk5zm-chase> doesnt want to burst
[07:43] <Darkside> chinese rubber last you long time!
[07:44] <daveake> lol
[07:44] <vk5zm-chase> heading for Sealake
[07:46] <twoolie> Darkside: can you carry up a uav glider on a balloon next time pls?
[07:47] <Darkside> twoolie: only if it was launched at woomera
[07:47] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/TDHH11cp BURST DAMMIT. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115331101140062208]
[07:47] <polycarbonate1> pfft
[07:48] <daveake> This is like me willing mine to burst yesterday. But worse. :)
[07:48] <Darkside> haha
[07:48] <Darkside> yes
[07:48] <number10> no cutdown on micronut?
[07:48] <Darkside> nope
[07:48] <Darkside> :P
[07:49] <number10> :)
[07:49] <daveake> I had one. Decided not to use it. :p
[07:49] <polycarbonate1> how would you do that anyway?
[07:49] <polycarbonate1> burst the balloon, or detach from it?
[07:49] <Darkside> nichrome wire around the string
[07:49] <Darkside> burn through it
[07:49] <polycarbonate1> ah
[07:49] <daveake> The code kicked in for the cutdown on mine, so if the cutdown itself had worked it'd have come down on land.
[07:50] <number10> was it just timer daveake?
[07:50] <polycarbonate1> cut-down should kick in on low batt
[07:51] <juxta-chasecar> Darkside, just arrived in Speed
[07:51] <daveake> The timer did kick in, and would have released at just under 35km.
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[07:51] <daveake> Also it had a burst detector (alt <= max alt - 1000)
[07:51] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: keep on going to sealake
[07:51] <Darkside> or that area
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> going to clear the car tracks first
[07:52] <daveake> Morning RocketBoy. Darkside has hit the F word big time.
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> 9from the tracker)
[07:52] <Darkside> eh?
[07:52] <Darkside> there are no tracks
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> yes there are
[07:52] <Darkside> just positions
[07:52] <Darkside> oh
[07:52] <Darkside> and they get loaded
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> they are just not displayed as a line by default
[07:52] <Darkside> >_>
[07:52] <Darkside> fuuu
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> yes
[07:52] <Darkside> yeah ok, go for it
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> so we'll nuke them
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> actualy
[07:52] <RocketBoy> yeah - a saw a couple of hours ago
[07:52] <juxta-chasecar> our net is too sloe
[07:53] <juxta-chasecar> can you do it?
[07:53] <Darkside> oill do it
[07:53] <juxta-chasecar> but leave the ballon of course
[07:53] <daveake> :)
[07:53] <juxta-chasecar> highlight us when done :)
[07:53] <twoolie> lol it's gonna spalshdown
[07:53] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: done
[07:53] <Darkside> twoolie: only if it bursts *now*
[07:54] <daveake> Wouldn't be the first :p
[07:54] <shenki> or in a few hundred km
[07:54] <shenki> and lands in the tasman sea
[07:54] <Darkside> lol 42000 points
[07:54] <Darkside> shenki: haha
[07:54] <Darkside> that'd be an interesting flight, eh
[07:54] <number10> well at least there is no camera on it
[07:54] <daveake> grrr
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[07:56] <Darkside> http://ham.bathurstwireless.org/images/stories/ham/100_4672.jpg <-- we've had a HAM use that dish to receive the payload
[07:56] <Darkside> from a place in NSW
[07:56] <Darkside> Mt Bluedog, wherever that is
[07:57] <polycarbonate1> near Bathurst?
[07:57] <Darkside> yeah
[07:58] <polycarbonate1> you must be runnin gout of light
[07:58] <Darkside> yep
[07:58] <Darkside> not much light left
[07:58] <Darkside> we'll have to decide whaat to do when we run out of light
[07:59] <polycarbonate1> track it as far as you can, and if it comes down on land, makr the position, and either send in a local team or go back in a week?
[07:59] <number10> sorry daveake
[07:59] <twoolie> will it be there in a week?
[07:59] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: it ould float for ages
[08:00] <Darkside> we don't know
[08:00] <Darkside> twoolie: nah, it'll come down in a few hours we think
[08:00] <Darkside> the balloon will break down
[08:00] <RocketBoy> im impressed by the mobile internet coverage
[08:00] <Darkside> yeah NextG is pretty damn good
[08:00] <Darkside> we've had coverage almost all the way
[08:00] <polycarbonate1> I'd put out a broadcast to hams in the hope someone local can salvage it
[08:01] <Darkside> we have
[08:02] <Darkside> we have hams in the ACT decoding it
[08:03] <polycarbonate1> just not reporting?
[08:04] <Darkside> getting there
[08:04] <twoolie> i'm not seeing any data come in from ACT
[08:04] <Darkside> just guiding them through setting it up
[08:04] <polycarbonate1> that's beyond the RF horizon
[08:05] <polycarbonate1> or is blue RF?
[08:05] <Darkside> blue is horizon
[08:05] <Darkside> green is 5 degree altitude
[08:05] <polycarbonate1> oh
[08:05] <twoolie> act is within the horizon
[08:05] <polycarbonate1> as is Adelaide
[08:05] <griffonbot> @jonoxer: @darksidelemm If it goes much further you'll be booking tickets on the Spirit of Tasmania to chase it! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/jonoxer/status/115335693009563648]
[08:06] <polycarbonate1> I just don't have a radio that can USB
[08:06] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: @jonoxer Ugh.... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115335885163200512]
[08:08] <RocketBoy> Darkside: so its 6PM there right - what time is sunset?
[08:08] <Darkside> about now
[08:09] <RocketBoy> well it better burst now - or I suspect it will go overnight
[08:09] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: reckon this will be normal ffrom now on?
[08:09] <twoolie> Darkside: next microut has a high power LED strobe that activates at dusk
[08:09] <polycarbonate1> being Summer
[08:09] <griffonbot> @jonoxer: @darksidelemm It just wants you to come and visit us all in Melbourne. I can't see it on the tracker right now though #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/jonoxer/status/115336648371351552]
[08:09] <polycarbonate1> lol
[08:09] <polycarbonate1> yes twoolie
[08:10] <Darkside> twoolie: we don't need it
[08:10] <Darkside> we have RF
[08:10] <twoolie> but then you can SEE it
[08:10] <twoolie> ;)
[08:10] <daveake> number10 It's OK :)
[08:11] <griffonbot> @jonoxer: @darksidelemm Got it now, just took a while for the tracker to load. Someone get a really powerful BB gun. Or a laser. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/jonoxer/status/115337033228107776]
[08:12] <polycarbonate1> what is the feasibility of launching an air to air combat platform that could hit it?
[08:12] <griffonbot> @twoolie: MicroNUT v2: Twitter capability? #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/twoolie/status/115337464775852032]
[08:14] <griffonbot> @twoolie: Project Horus: Testing the limits of human & chase car endurance! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/twoolie/status/115337799728766976]
[08:14] <pod> mobile high-altitude tweet-repeaters for BART riders?
[08:15] <pod> the HAAT you need to be lineofsight to every Bart stop, includin the ones way out in Richmond/Dublin is what, 10 thousand feet?
[08:15] <Gillerire> why do you want people from TAS to track it? Why not people from NSW?
[08:15] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: RT @twoolie: Project Horus: Testing the limits of human & chase car endurance! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115338249739845632]
[08:16] <Darkside> Gillerire: people from ANYWHERE
[08:16] <Darkside> we need people in the eastern states to track it
[08:16] <RocketBoy> My Hwoyee 2000 floater flight burst just before sunset
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[08:16] <RocketBoy> so maybe...
[08:16] <Gillerire> Darkside: I see, well goodluck :)
[08:17] <Darkside> thanks!
[08:21] <RocketBoy> wow - you gotta love that mesh road system
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[08:22] <Darkside> hey pschulz01
[08:25] <pschulz01> Hi.. just catching all the excitement.
[08:25] <pschulz01> Need to have a remote-burst option.
[08:26] <gm> it'd help
[08:26] <Darkside> haha
[08:26] <Darkside> yes
[08:27] <gm> why is the prediction line extending from where the balloon isn't?
[08:27] <Darkside> because its not updating properly
[08:27] <Darkside> prediction is fucking useless anyway
[08:28] <Darkside> useless until it bursts anyway
[08:28] <gm> well it's providing many lols looking at where it thinks it'll go
[08:28] <polycarbonate1> ah, someone at Croyden just cam eon
[08:28] <gm> s/until/unless/
[08:28] <gm> more like it
[08:28] <polycarbonate1> yeah
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[08:31] <plantain> the tracker used to show me the estimated landing position, should it be doing that for this launch?
[08:32] <gm> plantain: well it's kind-of assuming that the balloon will keep climbing and burst
[08:32] <polycarbonate1> lol plantain
[08:32] <gm> both of which it's not doing
[08:32] <polycarbonate1> it only just stopped
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[08:33] <pschulz01> plantain: ballon is in a 'static equalibrium' state.
[08:33] <gm> hit the "horus" tab and look at the altitude graph
[08:33] <plantain> yes, I saw :P
[08:34] <plantain> should have a remote balloon popper
[08:34] <plantain> I'd still be interested to see where it would land if it popped now
[08:34] <juxta-chasecar> hey pschulz01 :)
[08:35] <polycarbonate1> at this rate, it may very well end up in NZ
[08:35] <polycarbonate1> if it doesn't burst by sunset, I don't think it will till the sun comes back up
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[08:35] <eroomde> how did yesterday go?
[08:38] <pschulz01> juxta-chasecar: Good wook guys :-)
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[08:39] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Heading for Swan Reach for food, and to watch Horus 16 disappear over the horizon. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115344159069573120]
[08:39] <plantain> does that mean they're giving up...?
[08:41] <quail> did anyone remember to add return to send note to the balloons load?
[08:41] <g0pher> pod: still on ?
[08:41] <eroomde> what alt did horus reach?
[08:41] <quail> s/send/sender
[08:41] <Darkside> eroomde: its still going
[08:41] <Darkside> check the tracker...
[08:41] <Upu> uber float :/
[08:41] <quail> eroomde: Max. Altitude: 38406 m atm
[08:41] <Upu> ok have fun guys see you in a week
[08:42] <Darkside> Eeyup
[08:42] <Darkside> haha Upu
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[08:42] <eroomde> tracker not loading for me
[08:42] <plantain> it's very slow
[08:42] <plantain> several minutes slow
[08:42] <Darkside> yep
[08:43] <Darkside> not sure why its slow
[08:43] <eroomde> chrome just killed the tab
[08:43] <Darkside> lol
[08:43] <Darkside> theres like 45000 points
[08:43] <eroomde> Darkside: is it still ascending or floating?
[08:43] <Darkside> floating
[08:43] <eroomde> ah
[08:43] <Darkside> sllooooooooooowly going down
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[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone
[08:43] <eroomde> no new record then :(
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> What an amazing flight this is!
[08:43] <griffonbot> @jonoxer: @darksidelemm I'll call ahead and book you a nice hotel in Canberra ;-) #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/jonoxer/status/115345298456453120]
[08:44] <Darkside> man
[08:44] <Darkside> its dropping
[08:44] <Darkside> sloooowly
[08:44] <Darkside> its just gone sunset here
[08:44] <polycarbonate1> like tits
[08:44] <Darkside> its cooling down
[08:44] <Darkside> eroomde: what happens when a float balloon flies into night?
[08:45] <polycarbonate1> the surrounding air ges denser
[08:45] <polycarbonate1> *gets
[08:45] <RocketBoy> not by a lot
[08:46] <daveake> If anyone wants to clear the cloud2 points to help speed things up, that's fine. I've downloaded the data.
[08:46] <eroomde> Darkside: not much data on it really
[08:46] <Darkside> eroomde: well...
[08:46] <Darkside> daveake: we did that ages ago
[08:46] <eroomde> the one good data set we had was when it started to float just after sunset, we lost gps lock due to cold
[08:46] <Darkside> goddamnit, spacenear.us is LAGGING by about 5 minutew
[08:47] <eroomde> and many hours later at sunrise it was within 150m of the float altitude the night before
[08:47] <Darkside> no wait, by 15 miuts!
[08:47] <eroomde> when it re-gained lock
[08:47] <eroomde> ah spacenear has just loaded
[08:47] <Darkside> we're hoping when it enteres the jetstream again it will rip the balloon
[08:48] <Darkside> but it may not
[08:48] <eroomde> tht took 4minutes
[08:48] <eroomde> on my 30Mb connection
[08:48] <daveake> Darkside: Oh, 'cos I checked the raw log at robertharrison.org, and they're still their. Are we talking about different places?
[08:48] <Darkside> yes
[08:48] <daveake> there*
[08:48] <daveake> OK
[08:48] <Darkside> different places
[08:48] <Darkside> good god the tracker is not liking this..
[08:48] <Darkside> ffs
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> I just got "Not responding script" in firefox
[08:49] <Darkside> fuck, its gone into float again
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[08:49] <Darkside> 37517m
[08:49] <Darkside> goddamnit
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside may I make a comment?
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander> but it's not intended to be offensive or so
[08:50] <Darkside> >_>
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> remember my recommendation?
[08:50] <Darkside> ahh :P
[08:50] <Darkside> yes yes
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:51] <polycarbonate1> dinner, bbl
[08:51] <polycarbonate1> good luck
[08:51] <Darkside> ok, we are heading to swan hill for food
[08:51] <Darkside> then we wil probably head home
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[08:53] <plantain> keep chasin' ya turkeys
[08:53] <Darkside> haha
[08:53] <fsphil-laptop> wow, it's still up
[08:53] <Darkside> yes
[08:54] <Darkside> very yes
[08:54] <quail> plantain: I think for them to keep chasing they need donation for coffee (strong coffee) and fuel
[08:55] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : but don't worry mate
[08:55] <Lunar_Lander> do you know what happened on Skylab?
[08:55] <Darkside> fuel more than coffee
[08:55] <Lunar_Lander> they had a problem with a battery pack and ended up taping the wires to the terminals
[08:56] <Lunar_Lander> before, the astronauts asked for a soldering iron to be included in Skylab's toolset
[08:56] <Lunar_Lander> NASA said "you don't need to solder"
[08:56] <Lunar_Lander> so even NASA makes mistakes :)
[08:57] <gm> Darkside: so where do we donate to the project horus fuel fund
[08:58] <fsphil-laptop> haha, you're heading towards Ultima
[08:59] <quail> does everyone have salary protection, I don't may bosses will except the excuss 'I was chasing a balloon over the country' hehe ;-)
[08:59] <twoolie> can you get Online in Ultima?
[09:01] <fsphil-laptop> altitude is dipping. has the sun set there?
[09:01] <Darkside> y
[09:01] <gm> i think we're just going to have to wait for the helium to leak out :P
[09:01] <plantain> it'll be back after a lap of the globe
[09:02] <eroomde> cutdown?
[09:02] <twoolie> eroomde: no cutdown
[09:02] <eroomde> shame!
[09:03] <twoolie> the tracker is broken
[09:03] <gm> Darkside: so, 21 hours until it dies - does it get sporadic after that or just die entirely?
[09:03] <twoolie> it's stuck "refreshing predictions"
[09:03] <Darkside> itll die
[09:03] <Darkside> the tracker is carking it
[09:03] <Darkside> it cant handle this many points
[09:03] <Randomskk> hi
[09:03] <Darkside> Randomskk: hey
[09:04] <Darkside> we might not have a choice but to clear the tracker
[09:04] <Randomskk> why are there so many points?
[09:04] <Darkside> look at the flight
[09:04] <Darkside> Randomskk: its 8 hours so far
[09:04] <Randomskk> !
[09:04] <Randomskk> at 300 baud huh
[09:04] <Darkside> yep
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[09:04] <Darkside> Randomskk: can you dump the contents of the db for us
[09:04] <Randomskk> right
[09:04] <Randomskk> the db is stored
[09:04] <Darkside> then we might have to clear the tracker
[09:04] <Randomskk> even if you clear the tracker
[09:04] <Darkside> oh ok
[09:04] <Randomskk> nothing is deleted
[09:04] <Darkside> yeah its separate
[09:05] <Randomskk> yea
[09:05] <Randomskk> I'm leaving for a week holiday in yorkshire in about five minutes :P
[09:05] <Randomskk> so uhm
[09:05] <Randomskk> probably I think the spacenear.us <-> habitat system can't handle that much data
[09:05] <Randomskk> once the new web ui is done I like to imagine it'l cope better
[09:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[09:05] <Randomskk> but frankly that's too many points for google maps - really at this point it should be subsampling
[09:05] <Lunar_Lander> we need that
[09:05] <Randomskk> so yea, I would suggest just clearing the tracker
[09:05] <Randomskk> the db is safe
[09:05] <Lunar_Lander> if we get float missions in the future
[09:06] <Lunar_Lander> and then? the plot is then lost, right?
[09:06] <Randomskk> Darkside: are you okay clearing it?
[09:06] <Randomskk> after clearing the plot goes away from spacenear.us
[09:06] <Randomskk> but is still saved
[09:06] <Randomskk> my laptop can barely handle it
[09:07] <Darkside> talking to terry
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:08] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk : can it be restored from somewhere afterwards?
[09:08] <Randomskk> yea
[09:08] <Randomskk> it's saved
[09:08] <twoolie> do it man
[09:08] <twoolie> it's killing my laptop
[09:08] <Darkside> Randomskk: dump all HORUS packets now please
[09:08] <Darkside> just to a file
[09:09] <Darkside> just to keep terry happy
[09:09] <Darkside> and i'll clear the tracker
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[09:10] <Randomskk> doing it now
[09:11] <Randomskk> Darkside: fwiw the database is all accessible, anyone can do this
[09:11] <Randomskk> but yea it's saving atm
[09:12] <juxta-chasecar> thanks Randomskk
[09:12] <Randomskk> 35MB so far
[09:12] <Randomskk> hope this doesn't take too long
[09:12] <juxta-chasecar> whoa
[09:12] <Darkside> kk
[09:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[09:12] <Randomskk> car's waiting to drive to yorkshire :P
[09:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[09:12] <Randomskk> oh this is an entire habitat backup
[09:12] <Randomskk> okay done
[09:12] <Randomskk> finished
[09:12] <Randomskk> you can clear it
[09:12] <Randomskk> I have the file
[09:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[09:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Randomskk
[09:12] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/habitat.json is all the database
[09:13] <Randomskk> kay I'm off now
[09:13] <Randomskk> will have sporadic email
[09:13] <Randomskk> seeya all
[09:13] <number10> cu
[09:13] <twoolie> what's the github for this?
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[09:15] <jcoxon> morning
[09:15] <Darkside> ok guys
[09:15] <Darkside> we are giving up
[09:15] <RocketBoy> yo
[09:15] <jcoxon> is it still flying?
[09:15] <twoolie> QUITTERS@!
[09:15] <jcoxon> the map is being slow
[09:16] <jcoxon> my data is only catching up
[09:16] <RocketBoy> it is
[09:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon RocketBoy
[09:16] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Project Horus team has officially decided to call it a day for Horus 16. We're going home. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115353444344274945]
[09:16] <SpeedEvil> Congratulations! ?
[09:16] <jcoxon> tooo much data
[09:16] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: just going into night there
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[09:16] <jcoxon> please keep tracking though
[09:17] <jcoxon> its an awesome flight
[09:17] Action: jcoxon likes floating balloons
[09:17] <RocketBoy> dipped a bit at twighlight
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[09:17] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy : they proved that XABEN 13 is repeatable
[09:17] <RocketBoy> yeah
[09:17] <juxta-chasecar> jcoxon, do you know the url for the phpmyadmin install on spacenear.us?
[09:18] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy : it would be awesome to get helium pressure and temperature data
[09:18] <RocketBoy> yeah - and not rocket science too
[09:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[09:18] <jcoxon> my data is up to 08:54
[09:19] <Darkside> yeah
[09:19] <Darkside> we're working on clearing the tracker
[09:19] <Darkside> just backing up data first
[09:19] <juxta> nevermind i have the phpmyadmin link now
[09:19] <jcoxon> oh right
[09:19] <juxta> loading it up and will dump then clear
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[09:19] <jcoxon> hehe was about to cp and paste it
[09:19] <twoolie> juxta what's the repo url for the tracker?
[09:19] <juxta> repo?
[09:22] <pod> https://github.com/ukhas/habitat
[09:23] <SpeedEvil> Is it still being tracked?
[09:23] <eroomde> anyone know how to get itv streaming live?
[09:23] <eroomde> in HD, even?
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[09:25] <eroomde> sorry for OT, just there's a good overlap of internet nouse and UK resisdents here
[09:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.itv.com/itv1/ ?
[09:27] <Darkside> juxta-chasecar: how goes the tracker stuff?
[09:27] <eroomde> you can't stream live with that can you?
[09:27] <SpeedEvil> Dunno what hppens if you give it an email
[09:28] <SpeedEvil> As I'd require a TV licence
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[09:29] <Darkside> ok tracker has been cleared
[09:29] <gm> hmm, vk2qw can't see the balloon
[09:31] <SpeedEvil> What about vk3yfl?
[09:31] <gm> evidently not either
[09:32] <Darkside> ok the backend database is *still* lagging behind
[09:32] <Darkside> its still 15 minutes behind
[09:32] <jcoxon> Darkside, will you have cover for a long flight radio tracking wise
[09:32] <twoolie> so what serves up the JSON?
[09:33] <eroomde> jcoxon: did you get me message?
[09:33] <jcoxon> yes
[09:33] <eroomde> glad it works
[09:33] <Darkside> jcoxon: we jave receiver in vic and canberra
[09:33] <Darkside> tracker is still lagged though
[09:34] <Darkside> so we can't see whats going on live
[09:34] <SpeedEvil> Running about twice realtime
[09:34] <Darkside> ?
[09:34] <SpeedEvil> The tracker - it's catching up
[09:34] <Darkside> oh ok
[09:35] <gm> also VK2KAW has messed up their coords
[09:35] <SpeedEvil> Interesting periodicity
[09:35] <gm> that looks suspiciously like 0,0
[09:35] <polycarbonate1> remind me to say no next time Darkside asks to borrow my camera :P
[09:35] <Darkside> gm: many people do that
[09:37] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[09:37] <SpeedEvil> Actually heading home - or finding somewhere to crash for the night?
[09:38] <Darkside> getting dinner at swan hill
[09:38] <Darkside> then going home
[09:39] <gm> Darkside: so we can't look up their callsign and find where they are anyway?
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[09:39] <Darkside> we can, but we cant change the map
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> Congrats on the float confirmation anyway. :) Hope it comes down soon.
[09:39] <Darkside> heh
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[09:42] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: what are the chances of recovery?
[09:42] <gm> Darkside: yeah, i know, what i meant was deliberately obscuring coordinates like that is pointless
[09:43] <SpeedEvil> gm: cockup, often
[09:43] <SpeedEvil> gm: As is swapping lat/lon
[09:43] <SpeedEvil> Or getting the sign wrong on one or both
[09:43] <gm> ok, the melbourne station has it
[09:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:44] <Darkside> gm: they probably aren't doing it deiberately
[09:46] <Darkside> htey probably just forgot to setup their client
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[09:50] <SpeedEvil> And tracker caught up finally
[09:50] <plantain> balloon temp seems to be tumbling
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[09:50] <SpeedEvil> Night
[09:50] <SpeedEvil> - balloon night
[09:50] <jcoxon> yay its caught up
[09:52] <quail> I have just asked on the vk5rad repeater if anyone knows people to help out with the tracking in Vic/Tas to pass on the info
[09:56] <fsphil-laptop> the altitude graph is showing some nice patterns now that the ascent was cleared
[09:57] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[09:59] <Lunar_Lander> I can still see the whole graph
[09:59] <Lunar_Lander> appearently because I didn't refresh the page
[09:59] <Lunar_Lander> but it is still updating
[10:00] <fsphil-laptop> yea it's still in the browsers memory
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:01] <Lunar_Lander> how long will the batteries last?
[10:02] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=995db5873d3e1aea0098c9b5e462ea4cc14b3897
[10:02] <SpeedEvil> Predictor is confused
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> It has it going the wrong way now
[10:03] <jcoxon> yeah probably worth turning that off
[10:03] <jcoxon> it'll get all upset
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> Oh - it has no wind data at that alt?
[10:04] <jcoxon> well the float will confuse it
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> Sure - but asking it to do a predict from 37000 with a 0.1m/s ascent should at least work somewhat
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> But it's going backwards. Maybe the wind data is wrong
[10:05] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, but what burst alt?
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> 40km
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> It starts out going northwest though
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> What a nice star pattern on the tracker! (when you hover over the balloon)
[10:07] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:09] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: We chased Horus 16 through 3 states and still didn't get it... What a day! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115366726169931776]
[10:12] <plantain> is this the first time you'll have failed to retrieve a balloon Darkside ?
[10:12] Action: SpeedEvil wills it to burst.
[10:14] <pschulz01> SpeedEvil: from the tracks? (star pattern)
[10:15] <pschulz01> Got VK3 and VK1 with tracking now.
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> No - hove over the balloon - there is a nice radial spread of listnelrs.
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> (though some are bogus towards the top of course.
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[10:16] <pschulz01> SpeedEvil: Someone has set the wrong sign on their lat.
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[10:16] <DanielRichman> Darkside: hello
[10:16] <fsphil-laptop> the tracker should probably filter out 0,0 listeners :)
[10:17] <pschulz01> VK5FNIG, VK2KAW and VK5GK
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> Or make their lines red or something
[10:18] <pschulz01> I wonder if the reflector get's picked up by airport radar?
[10:18] <pschulz01> (at that height)
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> There are what - 12 listners blipping in and out?
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> Awesome on that front too
[10:19] <pschulz01> What's the green circle for?
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> 5 degree horizon
[10:19] <DanielRichman> ... is that thing still flying? wow
[10:20] <pschulz01> Ballon 5deg above?
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> pschulz01: Or reciever below
[10:20] <pschulz01> SpeedEvil: Cheers.
[10:21] <pschulz01> SpeedEvil: That's an awsome foot print
[10:21] <pschulz01> SpeedEvil: Into Tazmania now.
[10:22] <fsphil-laptop> if it's still floating at dawn, people in new zealand might heard it
[10:22] <fsphil-laptop> hear*
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> I don't think quite
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> If it carries on at this speed it'll be halfway to tasmania
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> (though missing it)
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> ah, zoomed in the circle shrinks
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> naughty :)
[10:23] <SpeedEvil> It shouldn't
[10:23] <fsphil-laptop> zoom out, then scroll the map up and down
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[10:24] <SpeedEvil> Seems to stay the same size here - about at launceston on tasmania
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> as you move towards the Antarctic it gets bigger
[10:24] <vk5cp> mark, snelly - hows the horus launch going?
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> That's due to it really being a wierd shape.
[10:24] <fsphil-laptop> the actual footprint won't be a circle like that
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> vk5cp: Too well! :)
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't want to come down.
[10:24] <pschulz01> vk5cp: Heard th enews?
[10:25] <gm> vk5cp: it's *still* going
[10:25] <SpeedEvil> They're having a meal, and then going home.
[10:25] <vk5cp> nope been driving to olympic dam all day what news
[10:25] <gm> vk5cp: we suspect the balloon was underinflated
[10:25] <vk5cp> is there aq repeater on board?
[10:25] <gm> it's holding steady at 37000m, and not bursting
[10:25] <vk5cp> underinflated again! how high did it get
[10:26] <gm> 37000m, where it's still at
[10:26] <vk5cp> pity 4km short
[10:26] <vk5cp> data still coming down?
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> There are about 12 people - or recievers - tracking it!
[10:26] <fsphil-laptop> that's fantastic
[10:26] <vk5cp> i could see the receviiers, wonder if I could hear it in roxby downs on FM?
[10:27] <gm> and it's still got about 10 hours of battery
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> Can you pick up 433MHz SSB?
[10:27] <gm> vk5cp: it's SSB
[10:27] <fsphil-laptop> you'll need an SSB receiver
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you might not actually need a SSB reciever if you have a very good signal, and write your own modem code
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> But...
[10:27] <pschulz01> vk5cp: Roxby is outside it's horizon at the moment.
[10:27] <vk5cp> 433 point what?
[10:28] <quail> 075
[10:28] <vk5cp> ok thanks for the horizon info - wont worry about it
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> 434.075
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> or there an abouts
[10:28] <vk5cp> so whats the new prediction - east coast?
[10:28] <pschulz01> horizon currently just short of Pt Augusta, Quorn Hawker ATM and heading south.
[10:29] <quail> my guess is deep sea swimming lessons
[10:29] <vk5cp> pity I drove thru them today....
[10:29] <vk5cp> which user name is mark on this irc?
[10:29] <vk5cp> or terry B?
[10:29] Action: SpeedEvil zooms out.
[10:29] <fsphil-laptop> altitude variation has settled to within about 50m
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> I totally forgot that australia was that bit
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> big
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> Usually the blue circle covers most of the country. :)
[10:30] <vk5cp> wonder how much feuls snelly has on board the chase car....
[10:30] <pschulz01> Thinking.. does a new flightplan need to be submitted?
[10:31] <vk5cp> pschiulz - that a good point...
[10:31] <vk5cp> might get some unwanted publicity
[10:31] <quail> pschulz01: and does the flight plan have to be submitted to Vic.?
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> The tracker can't show .au NOTAMs :)
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> it'll well above any air traffic
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> it's*
[10:32] <vk5cp> darkside - are you reading your screen?
[10:32] <pschulz01> quail: National aviation system.. would have gone there anyway.
[10:32] <quail> pschulz01: ok
[10:32] <pschulz01> fsphil-laptop: Yeah... 30ft =/= 30km
[10:32] <pschulz01> 30k ft =/= 30km
[10:33] <polycarbonate1> I've done balloon tracking on a Wouxun
[10:33] <vk5cp> llooks like echuca is the landing zone?
[10:33] <gm> that is if this thing ever pops :P
[10:33] <vk5cp> i have a woxun - bit too faw north
[10:33] <polycarbonate1> vk5cp: pfft, I don't think so
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> vk5cp: They were going for a meal
[10:33] <pschulz01> Does anyone here know about the signal that comes out of thr FunCube dongle? is that SSB?
[10:34] <vk5cp> ok thanks speedevil
[10:34] <polycarbonate1> pschulz01: I believe it can be
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> (around an hour ago, they said that)
[10:34] <fsphil-laptop> polycarbonate1, yea
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> The signal is not really SSB - it's FSK that can be conveniently recieved by an SSB reciever
[10:34] <vk5cp> should be able to locate them at www.aprs.fi/vk5zsn-12
[10:35] <pschulz01> polycarbonate1: Ok.. I'm not exactly sure what you get out or if.. it 'done mixes' (obviously) to the audio band.
[10:35] <pschulz01> down
[10:35] <polycarbonate1> pschulz01: interesting
[10:35] <fsphil-laptop> it appears as a stereo sound card, the channels are I and Q
[10:36] <polycarbonate1> I'd like to get a decent radio at some point for this
[10:36] <polycarbonate1> I currently only have SSB up to 30 meg
[10:36] <pschulz01> fsphil-laptop: Yeah.. Not exactly sure what that means though.
[10:36] <gm> polycarbonate1: so, hook the SSB rx into the IF out of the other RX :P
[10:37] <vk5cp> looks like they did not go in adrian's truck
[10:37] <fsphil-laptop> pschulz01, nor do I :) afaik the I and Q signals are the same signals, just recorded at opposite phases. if that makes sense?
[10:37] <gm> in-phase and quadrature
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> 90 degrees out
[10:38] <fsphil-laptop> ah, 90 degrees
[10:38] <pschulz01> Another suggestion.. if the flight goes over 5 hours, go into a power save mode..
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> So a signal can appear in one, not the other
[10:38] <polycarbonate1> gm: ooh
[10:38] <gm> pschulz01: yeah, that's a good idea
[10:38] <polycarbonate1> +1 to that
[10:38] <gm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_(waves)#In-phase_and_quadrature_.28I.26Q.29_components
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> polycarbonate1: +i, you mean.
[10:38] <pschulz01> fsphil-laptop: Cool thanks.. (eg. difference between sine and cosine signals)
[10:39] <gm> say, for the first 8 hours, continuous update
[10:39] <gm> then for the next 8 once every minute or so
[10:39] <fsphil-laptop> gm, eek... maths :)
[10:39] <gm> then from then until the battery goes, once every 15 mins
[10:39] <gm> fsphil-laptop: don't worry, i hate maths too
[10:40] <polycarbonate1> lol gm
[10:40] <gm> wikipedia on complex concepts is written for people who already understand it
[10:40] <polycarbonate1> gm: power save the GPS module?
[10:41] <polycarbonate1> it'll take 15 mins to re-lock
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> so if I took one channel from the funcube dongle, used it directly in fldigi, I may or may not hear the signal depending on the phase?
[10:41] <shenki> the modules take <30s to get lock from cold-start
[10:41] <polycarbonate1> fsphil-laptop: I believe so
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> polycarbonate1: It should not, if it's got data
[10:41] <polycarbonate1> ooh
[10:41] <polycarbonate1> cool
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> I suppose the caveat is - will it actually lock at -19C
[10:42] <polycarbonate1> mm
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> -22 even
[10:46] <shenki> they are rated at -40/+85 degrees
[10:46] <shenki> we haven't tested that
[10:46] <shenki> but we could... :)
[10:49] <gm> polycarbonate1: when it's got 12 satellites in view, it'll relock pretty quickly
[10:50] <shenki> i did ground testing and it would get lock within 30s, and see 4 sats
[10:50] <shenki> so they're pretty awesome at getting lock
[10:51] <shenki> a micronut is a noise-free environment compared to many applications
[10:51] <fsphil-laptop> is it 8:51pm in Melbourne?
[10:52] <shenki> yes
[10:52] <fsphil-laptop> so... this could float right until sunrise. holy cow
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> Seems likely
[10:53] <plantain> but does it use more power getting a lock than it does maintaining a lock?
[10:53] <shenki> good question
[10:53] <polycarbonate1> tests I've done have, plantain
[10:54] <polycarbonate1> but maybe a good one doesn't
[10:54] <shenki> i would guess yes, as it has to listen "harder" (requires higher snr) when acquiring lock
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[10:57] <gm> i think it's like 50ma acquiring lock, 5ma locked
[10:57] <gm> or something like that last time i checked a datasheet
[10:58] <vk5cp> 73's all hope horus comes down without injury
[10:58] <shenki> 102mA acquiring, 43mA tracking
[10:58] <shenki> so twice as much power to acquire
[10:59] <fsphil-laptop> cya vk5cp
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[11:00] <Laurenceb> this is insane
[11:00] <Laurenceb> 11 hour flighttime
[11:01] <fsphil-laptop> that might be the longest float for a latex balloon
[11:02] <Laurenceb> already has longest duration
[11:02] <daveake> cool
[11:02] <daveake> How about furthest distance travelled?
[11:03] <Darkside> ok guys
[11:03] <Darkside> we're heading hom enow
[11:03] <Laurenceb> might be some radio range records
[11:03] <Darkside> vk5cp: ping
[11:03] <Laurenceb> looks over 500km
[11:04] <Darkside> more
[11:04] <Darkside> we had a guy near bathurst get it
[11:04] <Darkside> 800m path
[11:04] <Darkside> 800km*
[11:04] <Laurenceb> wow
[11:04] <Darkside> we'll work all this out later on
[11:04] <Hibby> insane
[11:04] <Laurenceb> 10mw, 50baud?
[11:04] <shenki> nice
[11:04] <Darkside> no
[11:04] <Darkside> 25mw, 300 baud
[11:04] <Laurenceb> ok
[11:05] <fsphil-laptop> my max is about 340km
[11:05] <daveake> Did you get any complete strings yesterday?
[11:05] <fsphil-laptop> though that wasn't a float
[11:05] <fsphil-laptop> just the one daveake
[11:06] <daveake> Better than none :)
[11:06] <daveake> Distance?
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop daveake
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> 540ish km I think
[11:06] <Darkside> ok i'm gonna work out some distances
[11:06] <daveake> Cheers
[11:06] <daveake> Morning LL
[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> afternoon LL
[11:06] <daveake> Just about to upload photos from yesterday
[11:06] <daveake> (launch and chase, not the payload !!)
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> photos are good - I need to take more
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : a WB8ELK latex balloon has 17:40 hours
[11:07] <daveake> We ere *so* close to it getting snagged on a water tower
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> 7 17:40 hr
[11:07] <Lunar_Lander> NaN hr 26Apr08 (WB8ELK) pin-hole latex floater
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> ooooh I remember that, the little balloon that didn't burst
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> it just sunk
[11:07] <fsphil-laptop> very slowly
[11:08] <daveake> Wind was a bit variable, to say the least, and I waited till the balloon floated towards being over me. Then a gust took it sideways. Mrs Dave got a photo of payload whizzing sideways :D
[11:08] <gm> shenki: although, supply it with a supercap and it could do a hot fix in the minute after it comes on again
[11:08] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[11:08] <fsphil-laptop> I try to wait until the balloon is overhead too - despite everyone shouting at me to let go
[11:09] <gm> shenki: it'd fix in about 3 seconds, then you turn it off again
[11:09] <daveake> I should have walked into the next field. Anyway that in the end wasn't an issue :)
[11:10] <fsphil-laptop> I was more worried about it swinging around and hitting someone in the face :)
[11:10] <daveake> :D
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[11:11] <fsphil-laptop> that and scraping along the ground
[11:11] Action: fsphil-laptop is paranoid about the antenna now :)
[11:11] <VK5ZSN> \msh Darkside whats happened
[11:11] <VK5ZSN> \msg Darkside whats happened
[11:11] <fsphil-laptop> forward slash
[11:11] <VK5ZSN> duh
[11:11] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[11:11] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: hey
[11:11] <Darkside> its floating
[11:12] <VK5ZSN> whats happened
[11:12] <Darkside> still
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[11:12] <VK5ZSN> altitude?
[11:12] <Darkside> 37.3km atm
[11:12] <Darkside> we're heading home from swan hill
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[11:12] <Darkside> balloon is floating to Echuca
[11:12] <VK5ZSN> what !
[11:12] <VK5ZSN> given up?
[11:12] <Darkside> yep
[11:12] <Darkside> its not bursting
[11:12] <Darkside> and we don't think it will until morning
[11:12] <Darkside> by then it'll be in the Tasman sea
[11:12] <VK5ZSN> I see a lot of receivers up
[11:13] <Darkside> yep
[11:13] <Darkside> got people all over australia receiving
[11:13] <Darkside> its brilliant
[11:13] <VK5ZSN> so not quite enough gas
[11:13] <Darkside> yeah
[11:14] <VK5ZSN> good that a few are listening. might be good for 16/10 ?
[11:15] <Darkside> yeah, but we wouldn't want those to float this far!
[11:15] <Darkside> this was a ridiculous chase
[11:15] <daveake> :)
[11:15] <daveake> Thought mine was far enough!
[11:15] <plantain> auto balloon popper on the next mission? :P
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[11:15] <Darkside> plantain: haha
[11:15] <Darkside> yes, we need a cutdown device
[11:15] <daveake> I had one. Decided not to use it. :(
[11:16] <daveake> Still it'd have popped at around 35km
[11:16] <daveake> Would still have landed in the sea I think
[11:16] <daveake> As it wasn't moving much at that height
[11:19] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/IbdZv.jpg
[11:19] <Darkside> all the different receivers
[11:19] <VK5ZSN> I am surprised you are not following it across Oz?
[11:20] <gm> it's not going to burst, most likely
[11:20] <gm> you'd just end up driving to sydney
[11:21] <fsphil-laptop> you need a chase train for this one
[11:21] <polycarbonate1> hehe
[11:21] <Darkside> haha
[11:21] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: we don't have the willpower for that, hah
[11:21] <Darkside> way too far
[11:21] <VK5ZSN> see how adelaide is still rx
[11:21] <Darkside> i mean, i'd be up for it... but it looks like it's going to land in the tasman
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[11:22] <VK5ZSN> very good coverage
[11:22] <Darkside> oh yeah
[11:22] <Darkside> its incredible
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> what was your ascent rate this time?
[11:23] <Darkside> approx 2.5m/s
[11:23] <fsphil-laptop> 2000g balloon?
[11:25] <Darkside> yep
[11:28] <plantain> seems to be sinking fairly quickly now (-0.2 to -0.5m/s)
[11:29] <plantain> or not.
[11:29] <Darkside> plantain: it's just floatig up and down a little bit
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Look at the graph
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> there are some quite sharp oscillations
[11:29] <fsphil-laptop> bit of a downward trend at the end there though
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> It got dark about then I think
[11:30] <plantain> getting pretty cold now
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> I suppose the cameras must have shut down, and the only thing active is GPS+radio
[11:31] <Darkside> it can handle -24
[11:31] <Darkside> what cameras
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> I thought there were cameras.
[11:31] <Darkside> this payload is just telemetry
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> Ah
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[11:33] <daveake> Just uploading yesterdays photos now to flickr; meanwhile here's one of them :-) http://i.imgur.com/YpCla.jpg
[11:33] <fsphil-laptop> very sideways
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:36] <RocketBoy> ooo windy
[11:36] <daveake> Yep. Thought it had calmed down enough but that didn't last!
[11:36] <daveake> Next ... http://i.imgur.com/lOosx.jpg
[11:36] <daveake> Note position of trees and water tower ....
[11:37] <RocketBoy> yeah - its not going to clear them is it
[11:37] <daveake> It did. by about an inch
[11:37] <daveake> Went thru the gap in the trees and brushed the tower
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[11:38] <daveake> Next time I'll use the bigger field next to that one
[11:39] <daveake> Actually I wass about to go there to let go, then the wind settled so I didn't botther. Another lesson :)
[11:40] <RocketBoy> my guess is that Horus16 will burst shortly after sunrise.
[11:40] <daveake> Sounds likely. Which country will it be over by then?
[11:40] <daveake> :)
[11:41] <vk5cp> darkside - still there mark?
[11:41] <vk5gr> hi chris
[11:41] <vk5cp> ping darkside
[11:41] <Darkside> hey chris
[11:41] <vk5cp> hi grant am up at roxby downs
[11:41] <daveake> Went on ebay earlier to start replacing the items lost yesterday. Found the same camcorder for £15 with 1 hour to go, but forgot to bif when I was busy doing something :-(. It went for £15.
[11:41] <vk5gr> he is sitting next to me
[11:41] <vk5cp> hey mark nice day for a drive
[11:41] <RocketBoy> may just still be over land
[11:42] <Darkside> vk5cp: >_>
[11:42] <Darkside> ugh
[11:42] <vk5gr> from Swan Hill?
[11:42] <Darkside> 'drive'
[11:42] <vk5cp> i drove from wilmington to roxby in the old rangie
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> aaaah I hate that daveake
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> I've started setting alarms on my phone to remind me about auctions
[11:42] <vk5cp> and found another oold RR to buy
[11:42] <daveake> There's another, £4, 3 bidders, finishes this vening
[11:43] <vk5cp> are you guys coming top the shack on 18th october for balloon launches?
[11:43] <daveake> Good idea fsphil-laptop; will do
[11:43] <Darkside> vk5cp: 16th
[11:43] <Darkside> grant will be having his birthday at the shack :P
[11:44] <vk5cp> yep 16th - does terry want to test his rx before then?
[11:44] <Laurenceb> very regular oscillation
[11:44] <vk5cp> we can do a cake for grant
[11:44] <vk5cp> did u launch from GH's place?
[11:45] <Darkside> yes
[11:45] <vk5cp> hows GH going?
[11:45] <Darkside> not bad
[11:45] <RocketBoy> Laurenceb: do you think thats gravity waves - its been similar on other floater flights
[11:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.shodor.org/os411/courses/_master/tools/calculators/brunt/index.html
[11:45] <vk5cp> thats good - when does he go in to hosp
[11:46] <Laurenceb> i think so ^check the numbers
[11:46] <Darkside> vk5cp: around the 16th of october
[11:46] <Darkside> we won't be launching from his place that weekend
[11:46] <vk5cp> thanks mark - got back on cold beer yet?
[11:47] <Darkside> nah
[11:47] <Darkside> drinking cold mother atm :P
[11:47] <daveake> Does anyone remember the time of that strange radio frequency change yesterday? The waterfall lines went sideways really quickly then back again, when the balloon was floating
[11:47] <Darkside> vk5zm says hi, and wishes he had your porche
[11:47] <Laurenceb> whats the time over there?
[11:47] <Darkside> Laurenceb: 9:17pm in SA
[11:47] <Laurenceb> not so bad
[11:47] <RocketBoy> Laurenceb: Thanks - I'll plug the numbers when I have time
[11:47] <vk5cp> the IT crew at olympic dam bring out 2 x 6 packs of mother for their morning meetings!
[11:48] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: with my guesstimated figures i get around 100seconds period
[11:48] <vk5cp> my office is near theirs - they are helpin me hack by crackberry
[11:48] <Laurenceb> observed looks like 300seconds period
[11:49] <Darkside> thats not gravity waves
[11:49] <RocketBoy> Laurenceb: I'll go back and do the XABEN13 flight too - that was about 300sec too IIRC
[11:49] <Darkside> gravity waves have periods around 10 minutes or up
[11:49] <RocketBoy> very regular
[11:50] <Darkside> i think this is bouyancy frequency of the balloon
[11:50] <Darkside> note: theres a researcher at uni adelaide working on this
[11:50] <Darkside> and he was involed in the french superpressure flights around the antarctic
[11:50] <Laurenceb> hmm interesting
[11:50] <VK5ZSN> Great way to fly a comms channel!
[11:50] <Darkside> i showed him the horus 15.5 data, he reckons it was just the bouyancy frequency
[11:50] <RocketBoy> ah - ok like a cork bobbing up and down in water
[11:50] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: oh man, if only we had a repeater on this one
[11:50] <Laurenceb> i cant get the gravity waves slow enough with sane figures
[11:51] <Laurenceb> maybe its not gravity waves
[11:51] <Darkside> i think its just buoyancy
[11:51] <Laurenceb> yeah maybe it bouyancy
[11:51] <VK5ZSN> Where is VK5ZM
[11:51] <Laurenceb> it seems a factor of 3 too slow
[11:51] <RocketBoy> perhaps - if it was boyancy wouldn;t it show some damping
[11:51] <Darkside> i dunno
[11:51] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: driving
[11:51] <vk5cp> hi zsn - exams all over for now?
[11:52] <vk5gr> as long as you didnt want the repeater back :-)
[11:52] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, do indeed
[11:52] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: me and vk5gr are in the back seat, ZM is driving, terry is driving in the other car
[11:52] <vk5cp> i can donate a 70cm motorolla for the next ocean bound mission
[11:53] <VK5ZSN> exams in Nov/Dec. Currently at work somewhere.
[11:53] <vk5cp> now understand why ZM did not come back to my calls on RSB
[11:53] <Laurenceb> hmm just reading some atmospherics books
[11:53] <Laurenceb> gravity waves are usually fatser than 100s period
[11:53] <Laurenceb> im guessing bouyancy
[11:54] <vk5cp> hey snelly i saw a big white raydome to the left of the highway about 20km north of woomera - any idea what is was
[11:54] <Darkside> vk5cp: the old US RX site thing
[11:54] <vk5cp> tnx darkside will have a look on google earth
[11:55] <Darkside> vk5cp: if you can get on IRLP, want to see if you can contact anyone in north tasmania?
[11:55] <Darkside> and see if they can hear th eballoon?
[11:55] <Darkside> theres no IRLP notes (or 2m repeaters) near us at th emoment
[11:55] <Darkside> nodes*
[11:55] <VK5ZSN> Chris do you know any VK6 who can RX the bird?
[11:55] <vk5cp> the irlp on the roxby repeater is not working
[11:55] <Darkside> ah dammit
[11:55] <Darkside> echolink?
[11:56] <vk5cp> i will have a look on echolink
[11:56] <Darkside> VK5ZSN: VK7s
[11:56] <plantain> vk5cp: what are you doing up at olympic dam?
[11:56] <Darkside> not VK6
[11:56] <VK5ZSN> Sorry VK7 indeed
[11:56] <griffonbot> @jonoxer: @darksidelemm This flight is epic. If it gets much closer to Melbourne I'd consider jumping in the car and chasing it #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/jonoxer/status/115393801593425920]
[11:56] <polycarbonate1> vk5cp: that radome's an awesome radar installation
[11:57] <polycarbonate1> been there several times
[11:57] <vk5cp> polycarbon - yep - it was so far away and yet so large - ovioulsy no attempt to hideit
[11:59] <vk5cp> darkside - wounldn't u beleive it every vk7 thats not a repeater is talking to the USA - all 2 of them!
[11:59] <Darkside> hahaha
[11:59] <vk5cp> plantain - i work up here for bhpb
[11:59] <polycarbonate1> nice, vk5cp
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[12:00] <vk5cp> I fly in fly out but have brought my car up here to house to radio equipement and get around on the days I an here
[12:00] Nick change: david -> Guest35479
[12:01] <polycarbonate1> also, I suspect some people here, particularly VKs, may have met me in person
[12:02] <vk5cp> do u have a call?
[12:02] <Darkside> no he doesn't :P
[12:02] <polycarbonate1> if any of you have been to Jaycar on the far South side of Adelaide, I probably served you
[12:02] <Darkside> he should get one tho
[12:02] <polycarbonate1> vk5cp: yes, but no license yet
[12:02] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: theres a course on the 1st of october
[12:02] <vk5cp> must get him to do a F call exam
[12:02] <Darkside> you should go along
[12:03] <polycarbonate1> hmm, 1st
[12:03] <vk5cp> I can examine him (+ snellt)
[12:03] <Darkside> vk5cp paul is going a course soon
[12:03] <Darkside> he can just go to that
[12:03] <Darkside> on the long weekend
[12:03] <polycarbonate1> wait, it's a Saturdaty
[12:03] <vk5cp> dont really need a course - just read the book for a weekend and do the practice exaM
[12:03] <polycarbonate1> also, I'm going for advanced
[12:04] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: damn straight you are
[12:04] <Darkside> :P
[12:04] <vk5cp> ok - MUIGHT NEED TO DO SOME STUDY FOR advanced + regs too (memory test)
[12:04] <polycarbonate1> :)
[12:04] <Darkside> haha
[12:04] <Darkside> yeah, i still need to take my advanced
[12:04] <Darkside> so does shenki
[12:04] <Darkside> but i need to revise first
[12:04] <vk5cp> how u going with yr upgrade mark?
[12:05] <vk5cp> i thoughtu wanted to do it b4 the UK trip
[12:05] <Guest35479> Good evening all es VK5AYD Coober Pedy.....
[12:05] <polycarbonate1> it'd be nice to get it the first week of January
[12:05] <vk5cp> wow coober pedy, should get my HF gear from the car , i am at roxby
[12:05] <polycarbonate1> VK5AYD, hey bro
[12:05] <Laurenceb> how much battery life does it have?
[12:05] <polycarbonate1> vk5cp: you need HF for that? :P
[12:05] <Guest35479> G'day Paul...wondered where u were.....
[12:06] <polycarbonate1> Laurenceb: till dawn roughly
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> general upward trend on the altitude graph again -- gravity wave?
[12:06] <polycarbonate1> actually, first 2 weeks of January
[12:07] <polycarbonate1> it would be really nice to get it then
[12:07] <Guest35479> where is home Paul.....
[12:07] <polycarbonate1> but I won't actually "get" it till I return to Adelaide in February
[12:08] <polycarbonate1> can I pick up the paperwork in Canberra?
[12:08] <polycarbonate1> that would be awesome
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> I suppose in principle you could visually track the balloon, if good enough weather
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> But you'd lose it at burst
[12:11] <polycarbonate1> SpeedEvil: hence tWoolie's idea for a LED strobe
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> Indeed - suggested that some months ago.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> A 1W LED puts out about 0.2W of light. The eye can easily see a nanowatt a square metre.
[12:12] <Guest35479> been watching Horus 16 all day....amazing flight and still going.....
[12:12] <RocketBoy> SpeedEvil: the cusf guys did that with a telephoto camera a year of so back (daylight)
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> That's a 14km square it can illuminate
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: yeah - I saw the burst video
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: you can _just_ see it dropping out of the frame without the balloon
[12:13] <RocketBoy> thats the one
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[12:16] <Matt_soton> this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lG3zr0yaJw ?
[12:17] <TimZaman> so whats the best GPS receiver for my pcb (Uart, UBLOX)
[12:17] <plantain> hmm, I wonder if another notam should be issued for the floating balloon
[12:18] <Darkside> plantain: not at the altitude its at
[12:18] <Darkside> nothing flies up there
[12:19] <Darkside> also, the payload is so incredibly small
[12:19] <Darkside> 134g payload!
[12:19] <Darkside> any engine will chop that to little tiny pieces
[12:20] <TimZaman> Darkside: what's your prefered gps
[12:20] <Darkside> uBlox
[12:20] <TimZaman> module
[12:20] <TimZaman> which model
[12:20] <Darkside> uhmm
[12:20] <Darkside> anything with a uBlox 5 or 6
[12:21] <TimZaman> leah?
[12:21] <TimZaman> neo?
[12:21] <gm> plantain: it's at 130 000 ft
[12:21] <plantain> Darkside: well surely the balloon is a bit bigger than it was before now
[12:21] <Darkside> well thate the module
[12:22] Nick change: ms7821__ -> ms7821
[12:22] <Darkside> plantain: yes, but at 37km altitude, nothing will hit it
[12:22] <TimZaman> so which module do you like exactly and why :)
[12:22] <Darkside> and the balloon will have burst for it to get any lower
[12:22] <Darkside> TimZaman: on th eMicroNut boards, like whats flying, theres a NEO-5Q module on the pcb
[12:23] <Darkside> other flights have flown other separate GPS modulesw
[12:23] <Darkside> for example sparkfun's D2523
[12:23] <TimZaman> ive got the 5m
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> http://s.dealextreme.com/search/arduino
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> Seems to come up with interesting stuf now
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> ethernet for $20
[12:24] <gm> should put one on my light controller
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> 8 digit 7 segment display with driver, and 8 buttons - $6.99
[12:25] <plantain> fakes SpeedEvil
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> plantain: Well - of course.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> And if you fel you want to support the arduino brand - then of course do the right thing.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> As small generic boards, they are useful.
[12:27] <plantain> but when they're (illegally) selling under someone elses brand, you don't have much of a quality guarantee
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> DX has for me been reasonable on faulty stuff
[12:31] <gm> yeah, considering the arduino design is open, the least they could do is say "arduino-compatible" not "arduino"
[12:31] <gm> it'd be perfectly legal if they weren't claming it to be genuite
[12:32] <gm> *genuine
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> One doesn't buy stuff direct from hong kong expecting it to be genuine.
[12:39] <Gillerire> Hey Darkside, what ended up happening? Is it still up there?
[12:40] <Darkside> yep
[12:40] <Darkside> still going...
[12:40] <Darkside> we're going home though
[12:40] <Darkside> bloody long drive stll to go
[12:40] <Darkside> we're still in victoria ffs
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: Have a safe trip back.
[12:41] <Darkside> thanks
[12:41] <Gillerire> ouch!
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> (and may the payload land in someones garden, and you get it back in the post)
[12:41] <Gillerire> will be able to grab it at some point or is it pretty much gone?
[12:41] <Darkside> its gone
[12:42] <Darkside> its probably going to land in the ocean
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> It's looking like it's headed out to sea.
[12:42] <Gillerire> man, that sucks
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> It's possible it will land on land, but given that it'll likely have no battery at that time, it'll be impossible to find unless it does land in someones garden.
[12:42] <vk5cp> good thinks matts on holidays still
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> And gardens can be widely spaced.
[12:42] <daveake> And the chances of that in Australia ....
[12:42] <Gillerire> lol, so there is still a fait hope ;)
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[12:42] <Darkside> vk5cp: yeah...
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> At least it is the south bit
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> So the chances are only tiny, not infinitesimal.
[12:43] <daveake> Like mine being washed up :)
[12:43] <vk5cp> and u PHD students are on permanent flexitime! so Grants the only onw who has to get up!
[12:43] <Darkside> haha
[12:44] <Darkside> yeah
[12:44] <Gillerire> well I'm off to bed - drive safe guys
[12:44] <vk5cp> the mobile next g is holding up well.
[12:44] <Darkside> vk5cp: yeah, working very well
[12:45] <vk5cp> must copy that system
[12:45] <Darkside> heh
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[12:49] <jcoxon> Update?
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Energizer bunny.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> They've given up and gone home.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> (going home)
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Awesome floater.
[12:51] <jcoxon> Still floating?
[12:51] <Darkside> yeah
[12:51] <Darkside> definitely is...
[12:51] <Darkside> got lots of receivers all around the country receiving it
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> It's a hundred miles north of melbourne, at 37km, with 10 or so recievers still.
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> The predictor is odd
[12:52] <jcoxon> Amazing
[12:52] <Darkside> forget about the predictor lol
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> If you feed in the real altitude, it has it going the other way
[12:52] <Darkside> its gonna be useless now
[12:52] <jcoxon> So jealous
[12:52] <Darkside> i'm wondeirng how i turn it off
[12:52] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: thers no valid wind data up there
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: Ah - suspected so
[12:52] <Darkside> plus, theres no wind data loaded for that area - it only downloaded +- 10 degrees
[12:52] <Darkside> and we're already past that
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> I did a seperate prediction
[12:52] <Darkside> oh ok
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[12:54] <Demon> Hello
[12:54] <Demon> So ?
[12:54] <gm> it was meant to have burst hours ago, it's still up there
[12:54] <gm> and not climbing
[12:55] <Demon> Helium lift miscalculation ?
[12:55] <Darkside> haha
[12:55] <Darkside> well, we intended it to be a slow ascent
[12:55] <Darkside> but we didn't expect it to float for this long
[12:55] <Darkside> next time we fly a cutdown
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> ~8 hours to the coast at this speed
[12:56] <vk5cp> whats the world records for an unmanned baloon flight?
[12:56] <Darkside> its going to run out of juice before then
[12:56] <Darkside> vk5cp: VEEEERY long
[12:56] <Darkside> like 40 hours
[12:56] <Darkside> but they were with zero pressure balloons
[12:56] <Darkside> dunno about latex balloon flights
[12:57] <Darkside> but yeah, i think the battery is going to die in about 7 hours
[12:57] <Darkside> maybe sooner
[12:57] <RocketBoy> what time is sunrise out there?
[12:57] <Darkside> 6am or so
[12:57] <Darkside> so still a good 8 hours away
[12:57] <Darkside> the battery will be dead before then i expect
[12:57] <RocketBoy> hummmm
[12:57] <Darkside> we usually get approx 21 hours out of 4 AAs
[12:58] <gm> well if it ends up on land, someone might contact you
[12:58] <gm> as for the sea...
[12:58] <RocketBoy> there is about 8 hours of land to go
[12:58] <daveake> Someone mention the S word again :(
[12:58] <daveake> :)
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Sydney
[12:58] <RocketBoy> at the current speed
[12:58] <daveake> lol
[12:59] <daveake> If you're very very lucky
[12:59] <Darkside> lol
[12:59] <RocketBoy> and direction
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Spain
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[12:59] <Darkside> oh jeez
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:59] <Darkside> it might overfly canberra
[12:59] <gm> lol
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[12:59] <gm> i suggested that before
[13:00] <daveake> South Island
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> The predictor says it's going to carry on straight east. But, it also says it's going considerably slower than it is really
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> (if I tell it to use 20km)
[13:02] <Demon> A manual cut-off might have been of use
[13:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[13:03] <gm> this has been proposed many times :P
[13:03] <Darkside> haha
[13:03] <Darkside> oh well
[13:03] <Darkside> it'll be interesting to see where this one ends up
[13:03] <Darkside> we have shitloads of trackers out there
[13:04] <Darkside> about 10 people are tracking it at the moment!
[13:04] <TimZaman> theres a launch?
[13:04] <Demon> They might get bored
[13:04] <Darkside> Demon: we;ve had a few say they'll leave their rigs on all night
[13:04] <Darkside> and it shouldn't drift too far now, its settled down at -25 degrees C
[13:04] <TimZaman> woooow shiiiiiiiit what up in OZ??
[13:05] <Darkside> TimZaman: haha
[13:05] <Darkside> what you see is only part of the flight path
[13:05] <TimZaman> friggin wtf what a bunch of trackers
[13:05] <TimZaman> Receivers: VK3NFI, VK5DJ, VK1KW, VK2KAW, VK5GH, VK5ZRL, VK5ZAI, VK5VZI, VK5PJ
[13:05] <TimZaman> !!!!!!!!!!!??
[13:05] <TimZaman> thats very cold inside..
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[13:05] <Demon> Are these HAM radio callsigns ?
[13:06] <Darkside> yep
[13:06] <TimZaman> confirmed, austrialian ones
[13:06] <russss> it's unusual to see a float at that kind of altitude
[13:06] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/v2jQM.jpg theres the rest of the flight path
[13:06] <Darkside> we had to clear it mid-flight, as it was loading down the tracker too much
[13:06] <TimZaman> omg, horus beat my #28 altitude record
[13:06] <Darkside> tracker does not like having 49000 points
[13:06] <russss> heh
[13:06] <Darkside> it got to 38406m
[13:07] <Darkside> so its actually at #13 i think
[13:07] <TimZaman> which makes my record go from 28 fo 29 :*
[13:07] <TimZaman> 1600g hwoyee?
[13:07] <TimZaman> 13 SATS!?
[13:07] <Darkside> 2000g hwoyee
[13:07] <Darkside> it had 14 before
[13:07] <TimZaman> 14!
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[13:07] <jcoxon> back
[13:07] <Darkside> yeah i don't get whats up with the 14 sats either lol
[13:07] <Darkside> i guess its seeing eeeeeverything
[13:08] <jcoxon> back
[13:08] <jcoxon> wow
[13:08] <jcoxon> thats awesome
[13:08] <jcoxon> how long float now?
[13:08] <TimZaman> :) but darkside, its lost i recon?
[13:08] <TimZaman> or did you do a "blowup"
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> total flight time should be 13 h now
[13:08] <jcoxon> shall i turn off the predictor?
[13:08] <gm> it's entertaining
[13:08] <Darkside> jcoxon: yes please
[13:09] <TimZaman> oh, wait a tic.. it's still going!?
[13:09] <gm> yep
[13:09] <gm> still there
[13:09] <TimZaman> o m g
[13:09] <shenki> Darkside: are your car positions still being updated?
[13:09] <gm> 13 hours later
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> how long can the batteries last Darkside?
[13:10] <gm> he reckons 21 hours
[13:10] <TimZaman> Darkside: could it be there was a small puncture in the balloon or something?
[13:10] <jcoxon> TimZaman, super-pressure
[13:10] <Demon> It might land in my backyard some day
[13:10] <jcoxon> we've seen this before
[13:11] <TimZaman> jcoxon: yep..
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:11] <vk5cp> ok mark, grant, matt i am loggin off now - drive safely so grant can get some sleep. 73 OM
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> and WB8ELK hat a pinhole floater
[13:11] <vk5cp> exit
[13:11] <vk5cp> goodbye
[13:11] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, i've done pinhole floaters too
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> and IIRC this got the duration record for latex balloons
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:11] <vk5cp> control F4
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> fail
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> alt+F4
[13:11] <vk5cp> fail
[13:11] <jcoxon> Darkside, refresh
[13:11] <jcoxon> i think its now off
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[13:11] <jcoxon> wow thats a lot of stations
[13:12] <shenki> it's an impressive list
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> It's a great spread too - it can't get out of range for the next few hours at least
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : thanks for the new articles on your website
[13:13] <Lunar_Lander> the antenna, payload and cutdown ones
[13:13] <Demon> Helium might be depleted in a few decades
[13:13] <TimZaman> np
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> Hydrogen works as well
[13:14] <Demon> Sure,
[13:14] <Demon> Is it cheaper ?
[13:14] <TimZaman> yep
[13:14] <TimZaman> cheaper and lighter
[13:14] <DanielRichman> it also burns
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Even natural gas should get you to well over 20km
[13:14] <TimZaman> Also, it kills you.
[13:14] <Demon> Yes, lets not forget that detail
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Hydrogen balloons are not dangerous with minimal precautions.
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> and then there is ammonia
[13:15] <Darkside> only if you're stupid with it
[13:15] <TimZaman> well, there's nothing bad about a nice good fireball once in a while
[13:15] <TimZaman> make sure you tape it though if you ever use it
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> If the balloon is empty when you fill it, and you're wearing a facemask and gloves, there is nothing really that can happen.
[13:15] <Darkside> haha we're getting data on our omni again
[13:15] <Darkside> and we're heading away from the balloon
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> The absolute worst case is a ~0.5 second bonfire of the diameter of the balloon, followed by a flaming chunk of balloon getting thrown at you
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> So you do need to dress appropriately
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> But it can't explode unless you've been _really_ stupid
[13:18] <Demon> Well, natural gas's as much dangerous
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Slightly less
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> The flammabilty range is narrower
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Hydrogen is flammable from 94% to 8% or something insane.
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> (but if you don't notice that you've got the balloon 6% full of air to start with - you need your eyes testing)
[13:20] <Matt_soton> whats the explosive range of hydrogen then?
[13:20] <jcoxon> Darkside, this is dl-fldigi at its best
[13:20] <Darkside> jcoxon: yeah
[13:21] <Darkside> i've got some great screencaps of the tracker
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Matt_soton: that was H2
[13:21] <Darkside> showing all the differnet receivers
[13:21] <Demon> .
[13:22] <Matt_soton> also is someone actually picking it up from japan :\
[13:22] <Darkside> nah
[13:22] <Darkside> someone has their coords inverted
[13:22] <Darkside> jcoxon: http://i.imgur.com/lPppx.jpg
[13:22] <Darkside> thats the best pic i have showing how well it works
[13:23] <daveake> Nice shot
[13:24] <gm> alright, i'm heading off
[13:24] <Darkside> cya gm
[13:24] <TimZaman> darkside, did you launch from adelaide
[13:24] <gm> Darkside: tell me where it ran out of battery tomorrow :)
[13:25] <Darkside> TimZaman: yep
[13:25] <TimZaman> nice stresstest for the server
[13:25] <Darkside> we cleared the tracker halfway along because itcouldn't handle all the points
[13:25] <TimZaman> :) - and whats the green circle supposed to be? its horizon?
[13:26] <Darkside> nah
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> green is 5 degree
[13:26] <Darkside> green is 5 degree elevation
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> err
[13:26] <Darkside> blue is horizon
[13:26] <Demon> Dale DePriest and I had a big argument about GPS in airplanes about two years ago... If it takes 5 minutes to get a lock in an airplane, it's due to not having a clear view of the sky -not due to the aircraft
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Demon: It depends
[13:26] <Demon> "Quote"
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Demon: Some aircraft have treated windows
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Demon: So they are not transparent to GPS
[13:26] <Demon> That's what is said
[13:27] Action: russss nearly got arrested after using GPS on an Air Malta flight.
[13:27] <Demon> So getting a gps lock while on the move is'nt an issue
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[13:27] <gm> Demon: last time i used gps on a plane it took ~30 seconds
[13:27] <eroomde> russss: what was their objection?
[13:28] <gm> also if anyone can tell you're doing in, you're doing it wrong :P
[13:28] <russss> they thought it was transmitting. I spent a fair amount of time trying to explain to them how GPS works but I gave up in the end
[13:28] <eroomde> they were happy enough in the end?
[13:29] <russss> they were happy with me apologising and turning my phone off
[13:29] <russss> but they were quite annoyed before that
[13:29] <Demon> Why did you apologise ?
[13:29] <Demon> There's no reason to bow to ignorance
[13:29] <TimZaman> anyone have experience with USB hubs in PCB's?
[13:29] <russss> because it was getting to the point where they would probably have called the police when we landed.
[13:29] <daveake> "I'm sorry that you're too thick to understand me"
[13:30] <jcoxon> TimZaman, is this for your webcam?
[13:30] <TimZaman> jcoxon no, why?
[13:30] <jcoxon> oh right
[13:30] <russss> also I travel to Malta quite a lot for business and I didn't really want to be banned from their airline because it's actually quite good.
[13:30] <jcoxon> i know your last flight used a webcam
[13:30] <TimZaman> jcoxon: i'm going to use a 434650 and a 434075 at the same time
[13:30] <TimZaman> jcoxon: correct.
[13:30] <BrainDamage> going impolite to ignorant people that can potentially get into trouble is rarely a good strategy
[13:30] <TimZaman> jcoxon: next time ill be using a tetehred nikon/canon
[13:30] <jcoxon> and they are just ridiculously power hungry
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> is that good?
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> I mean two NTX2 side by sid
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> side
[13:31] <jcoxon> TimZaman, nice
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> could there be inteference?
[13:31] <BrainDamage> you can be either right, or happy
[13:31] <TimZaman> jcoxon: the usb hub is for two PCB's and a sensor'arduino'
[13:31] <jcoxon> TimZaman, oh - i think we might need to remove your altitude record - the list is UK :-p
[13:31] <TimZaman> and i dont like to run 3 usb cables to that pcb.. (there is no space for 3 of those anyway)
[13:31] <daveake> BrainDamage sad, but true
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:31] <jcoxon> we should submit it to the ARHAB records instead
[13:31] <TimZaman> jcoxon: no problem. though put it in a honorable mentions liost
[13:31] <jcoxon> thats more global
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : do you think that there won't be interference with the two NTX2?
[13:32] <TimZaman> jcoxon: already did, already posted
[13:32] <jcoxon> oh great
[13:32] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: dont think so. we might ask jcoxon
[13:32] <jcoxon> or i could stick NL next to it
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:32] <Darkside> also i've submitted Horus 16 to the arhab records list
[13:32] <Darkside> we're #11
[13:32] <Darkside> :P
[13:32] <jcoxon> TimZaman, Lunar_Lander i think a bit of seperation would be fine
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : because I got my arduino and m1x10's board
[13:32] <jcoxon> Darkside, you can submit for flight duration as well
[13:32] <Darkside> nah
[13:32] <Darkside> well, we will
[13:32] <jcoxon> i'm on there for my float
[13:32] <Darkside> but not until we know how long it is lol
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> and I am thinking if I should get a 2nd NTX2 for m1x10's one
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon : yeah
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[13:33] <TimZaman> jcoxon: what precautions would you advise when i use two ntx2s
[13:33] <Darkside> anyway, ima go off for a bit
[13:33] <Lunar_Lander> you mean like not having both in the same box?
[13:33] <Darkside> need to rest my eyes a bit
[13:33] <Darkside> bbl
[13:33] <TimZaman> bye Darkside
[13:33] <jcoxon> TimZaman, perhaps a bit of shielding
[13:33] <jcoxon> between the modules
[13:33] <TimZaman> Darkside: what radio is that
[13:33] <TimZaman> icom IC-T??
[13:33] <TimZaman> i was looking for a proper handheld
[13:34] <jcoxon> but i doubt it would matter too much
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[13:34] <jcoxon> TimZaman, seperate antennas?
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[13:35] <TimZaman> jcoxon: quarterwave aiming down, halfwave aiming up.. something like that
[13:35] <jcoxon> oh right
[13:35] <TimZaman> i cant just put them on 1 antenna, or?
[13:35] <jcoxon> what were the reasons for the 2 modules?
[13:36] <TimZaman> when sending images, i send the even blocks on the one module, uneven blocks on the other
[13:36] <TimZaman> speed
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[13:37] <TimZaman> jcoxon: proper handheld?
[13:37] <TimZaman> 70cm/2m?
[13:39] <jcoxon> TimZaman, interesting
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[13:39] <TimZaman> jcoxon: would you think using the same quarterwave for the two modules be possible?
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[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon : and I got the arduino and the board by mixio which I wanted to use as a datalogger but I wonder if it would be good to have it as a second transmitter
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> what do you say?
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[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[13:46] <NigeyS> hey kev
[13:46] <NigeyS> interesting altitude graph for horus 16
[13:47] <NigeyS> oh ang on its still up? :|
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[13:49] <NigeyS> ok thats just .... weird
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[13:49] <NigeyS> jcoxon, thoughts ?
[13:49] <Lunar_Lander> and enormous
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[14:06] <fsphil-laptop> some day I'll fix that router
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[14:10] <fsphil-laptop> love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG7xFt1FpCc
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[14:12] <Demon> So ? Will it burst one day ?
[14:12] <fsphil-laptop> it most likely will burst at sunrise
[14:13] <TimZaman> fsphil geez what lens is that
[14:14] <fsphil-laptop> not sure, just says telescope
[14:14] <fsphil-laptop> the detail is amazing
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[14:16] <TimZaman> can anyone advise a good transceiver handheld on 2m/70cm?
[14:17] <polycarbonate1> TimZaman: http://www.wouxun.com/Two-Way-Radio/KG-UVD1P.htm
[14:17] <fsphil-laptop> I've used one of those, they work well
[14:17] <polycarbonate1> brilliant unit
[14:18] <fsphil-laptop> we used it to communicate between the chase cars last launch
[14:18] <fsphil-laptop> though I've got the vx7r for that next time
[14:18] <polycarbonate1> got mine for $100 including 1700mAh battery
[14:18] <TimZaman> ah thats the price range i am looking for ;)
[14:18] <polycarbonate1> TimZaman: I thought it might be :)
[14:19] <TimZaman> hey hey hey not like that ;)
[14:19] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[14:19] <polycarbonate1> otherwise, yeah, Icom or whatever is $300+
[14:19] <TimZaman> indeed
[14:19] <TimZaman> though can get it second hand
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> still six hours till sunrise in austraila
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> australia+
[14:19] <polycarbonate1> eh, pretty hard to beat
[14:19] <fsphil-laptop> I was fortunate and got the vx7r pretty cheap, though the squelsh has a very annoying click
[14:19] <polycarbonate1> Lunar_Lander: on that note, IO need some shut-eye
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> hm?
[14:20] <polycarbonate1> *I
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:20] <Demon> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alinco-DJ-180-2-Meter-FM-Handheld-Radio-Near-mint-/300599111032?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item45fd1a6d78
[14:20] <Demon> I'd sure like to win this auction
[14:20] <Demon> It's exactly what's needed
[14:21] <polycarbonate1> also, that Wouxun RXs 68-520 meg happily
[14:21] <Darkside> RocketBoy: ping
[14:21] <Darkside> can you do the sims a bit later maybe.
[14:21] <Darkside> our flight is still ongoing!
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Indeed!
[14:22] <daveake> Yeah, get a move on, I've got some simulation to do too ;)
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Shame no battery voltage sensor.
[14:22] <TimZaman> polycarbonate1: does it have stereo-in-output?
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> (though the more important feature would be a cutdown)
[14:23] <polycarbonate1> huh?
[14:23] <polycarbonate1> TimZaman: mono in, mono out
[14:24] <polycarbonate1> 2.5 mil out, 3.5 in
[14:24] <TimZaman> top
[14:24] <polycarbonate1> programming lead is trivial to make
[14:24] <RocketBoy> Darkside: sorry the default mode is for dl-fldigi to come up logging - sometimes i gorget to turn it off
[14:25] <RocketBoy> it would be useful if there was a test server
[14:25] <polycarbonate1> TimZaman: as for programming, use http://www.kc8unj.com/kguv.html
[14:25] <polycarbonate1> very nice and intuitive
[14:28] <TimZaman> polycarbonate1: they're not common in holland, though that makes buying it difficult.
[14:28] <TimZaman> > does anyone know a good USB hub chip to embed on my new pcb?
[14:28] <polycarbonate1> 409shop
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander> it went as you predicted :)
[14:29] <polycarbonate1> I also noticed DealExtreme have them
[14:29] <jcoxon> Morwell in Oz has a lot of listeners!
[14:29] <polycarbonate1> TimZaman: how common do you think they are in AU? :P
[14:30] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: yes more is the pity - we have seen this a few times on launches
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> and XABEN is flying too?
[14:31] <fsphil-laptop> test data
[14:31] <RocketBoy> yeah - i stopped that
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[14:32] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander I believe there is a minimum ascent rate not to go below with these balloons (if you don't want them to float)
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[14:32] <RocketBoy> just need to quantify it
[14:33] <fsphil-laptop> I think I'm going for 3m/s
[14:33] <RocketBoy> well it also depends on the size of the balloon
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> yea this was a big beastie
[14:34] <RocketBoy> the effect is more evidant on the bigger sizes
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> too heavy for the low amount of gas
[14:34] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: We survived Victoria! Back in SA and (still) on our way home. #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/115433586261372928]
[14:34] <fsphil-laptop> I've the 1600g (thanks btw) so I think 3m/s should burst
[14:34] <RocketBoy> its more to do with the stength of the envelope IMO
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> true RocketBoy
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, we need more helium data
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> as I said yesterday
[14:35] <fsphil-laptop> we need cheap and easy to install diff pressure sensors :)
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy : I also wondered what would have happened if the balloon would have been able to shed weight
[14:35] <jcoxon> Darkside, whats the exact freq?
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> with a ballast system or so
[14:35] <daveake> Lunar_Lander: My balloon yesterday just about floated. A lower ascent rate and I think it may have stayed there for hours, so I think going below that rate would be a mistake (unless you want it to float)
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> you got a 1500 right?
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> which payload?
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> I mean how heavy
[14:36] <fsphil-laptop> I don't mind mine floating, as long as it goes south east
[14:36] <Darkside> jcoxon: 434.075MHz
[14:36] <Darkside> why?
[14:36] <jcoxon> on the dot?
[14:36] <RocketBoy> possibly a few more flights - with some pressure instrumentation are needed
[14:36] <jcoxon> just globaltuners
[14:36] <daveake> That was a 1000g. 800g payload; 1.6kg neck lift; ~3m/s rate (from memory - I haven't looked at the average). It wasn't meant to go that high !!
[14:36] <Darkside> jcoxon: well, its drifted
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:36] <Darkside> maybe 434.074
[14:37] <Darkside> but its still bretty close to 434.075 atm
[14:37] <Darkside> we can only just see a carrier here
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> true RocketBoy
[14:37] <fsphil-laptop> would temperature affect it too .. the hotter the gas is the earlier the balloon will burst?
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> but what do you think aboutz the ballast system?
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : higher temperature should mean more volume
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> and earlier burst
[14:38] <jcoxon> Darkside, nothing yet - the radio is sydney so quite far still
[14:38] <RocketBoy> fsphil: sure - but I'm sure there is a lot of variability in the envelopes themselves
[14:38] <Darkside> jcoxon: yeah
[14:38] <Darkside> give it a few hours
[14:38] <fsphil-laptop> more so than the effect of temperature?
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[14:38] <daveake> I have an ambient pressure sensor for my next flight
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon : may I ask another question on two NTX2s?
[14:39] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, sure
[14:39] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, the rules of IRC are don't ask to ask, just ask
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:39] <fsphil-laptop> the third rule of IRC, is you do not talk about IRC
[14:40] <fsphil-laptop> we had two ntx2 modules on project cirrus, though they where on separate modules
[14:40] <RocketBoy> fsphil-laptop: Im sure temperature will be part of the equation as it will affect strength
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> I got my arduino and that PCB by mixio and I was thinking if I should run that latter one complete, i.e. with a NTX2, so that there would be two in it
[14:40] <fsphil-laptop> separate boards
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> in the payload box
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> one on mixios one and one on the arduino
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> or shall I have only one NTX2
[14:40] <fsphil-laptop> they won't interfere with eachother
[14:40] <fsphil-laptop> unless they're on the same frequency obviously
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> so I could have one 434.075 and one 434.065?
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> you'll need two antennas though
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> that's what we did
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> they are 10 kHz apart, right?
[14:41] <fsphil-laptop> 434.650
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I mean the gap between 434.065 and 434.075 is 10 kHz
[14:42] <RocketBoy> aaagggg
[14:42] <fsphil-laptop> 575khz apart
[14:42] <fsphil-laptop> 434.650 and 434.075 are the two module frequencies
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> you could use two 434.075's say, and have the voltage bias setup such that they're 10khz apart
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> but you risk them drifting over eachother
[14:43] <fsphil-laptop> as the temperature changes
[14:44] <daveake> I've been building a test flight path for Buzz1, so I can test the GPS conversion (blush) for the next flight. Here's the Google Earth version .... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/368443/Buzz1.kml ...::p
[14:44] <jcoxon> you know when the sunrises it could start ascending again
[14:44] <fsphil-laptop> lovely big wave on the altitude graph!
[14:44] <jcoxon> and potentially do quite well altitude wise
[14:44] <polycarbonate1> yup
[14:44] <polycarbonate1> doubt it though
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> true fsphil-
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop
[14:45] <fsphil-laptop> about 2 hours per wave
[14:45] <polycarbonate1> will probably burst around 9am
[14:45] <jcoxon> polycarbonate1, sure, that latex has been exposed to a lot of UV light
[14:45] <polycarbonate1> :( I'll be at work
[14:45] <fsphil-laptop> 0.000138889 Hz
[14:46] <jcoxon> polycarbonate1, when is sunrise?
[14:46] <polycarbonate1> 5-ish
[14:46] <Darkside> 6am
[14:46] <Darkside> polycarbonate1: we won't know if its burst
[14:46] <Darkside> as it'll run flat before then
[14:46] <jcoxon> last time we had a overnight floater it burst pretty quick after sunrise
[14:46] <polycarbonate1> yeah
[14:46] <jcoxon> within about 30mins
[14:46] <polycarbonate1> batteries will die before burst
[14:46] <jcoxon> as sunrise is earlier at altitude
[14:46] <Darkside> the problem with this launch is it floated all day too!
[14:47] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: launch at dawn next time :P
[14:47] <daveake> Dusk?
[14:47] <daveake> Let it float overnight then go and wait for the burst next day
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[14:47] <polycarbonate1> ooh, could do that
[14:47] <RocketBoy> could be atmospheric tides - I read something that suggested twice a day atmospheric tides
[14:48] <DanielRichman> Darkside: k so atlantic crossing next?
[14:48] <Darkside> haha
[14:48] <Darkside> what, from australia?
[14:48] <polycarbonate1> yes, Darkside
[14:48] <DanielRichman> yeah sure
[14:48] <polycarbonate1> Chile
[14:49] <RocketBoy> the pan pacifics
[14:49] <DanielRichman> Darkside: you need to just fly to america, launch, predict landing in america, and show up all the people trying to do a crossing by flying to england. easy.
[14:49] <griffonbot> @JoagerTTCGames: Informações do Project Horus! http://t.co/lrIyMSAb #ProjectHorus [http://twitter.com/JoagerTTCGames/status/115437334652137472]
[14:50] <Darkside> wha
[14:50] <Darkside> thats not us
[14:50] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[14:50] <Darkside> lol
[14:50] <DanielRichman> hahaha
[14:50] <Darkside> its some game
[14:51] <polycarbonate1> DanielRichman: hahaha
[14:51] <Demon> Can you reccomend me a good but cheap gps ?
[14:52] <Matt_soton> lassen
[14:52] <polycarbonate1> Demon: module?
[14:52] <Demon> Yes, not the ones that come in chips
[14:53] <Matt_soton> http://www.dpieshop.com/trimble-lassen-sq-channel-gps-module-p-239.html
[14:54] <jcoxon> its amazing how stable these flights are
[14:55] <Demon> Mhm, 5v would be required-I'll just continue to search
[14:56] <jcoxon> lassen iq is 3.3v
[14:56] <Matt_soton> you wont find a 5V gps
[14:56] <jcoxon> http://www.dpieshop.com/trimble-lassen-iq-12-channel-gps-module-p-237.html
[14:56] <jcoxon> much better
[14:56] <Demon> Are you sure, Matt_soton ?
[14:56] <Matt_soton> so £1 for another 4 channels
[14:57] <Matt_soton> any other differences
[14:57] <Matt_soton> Demon: just use a linear regulator
[14:57] <Matt_soton> 5V -> 3.3V
[14:57] <Demon> 78xx
[14:57] <Demon> ?
[14:57] <Matt_soton> well there are better ones
[14:57] <jcoxon> i prefer ublox modules
[14:58] <Matt_soton> the lassen has always been fine for me so ive never bothered changing
[14:58] <Demon> how do you connect with an ublox ? It comes in a chip with pads
[14:58] <jcoxon> it takes soo long to get a lock indoors
[14:59] <jcoxon> Demon, google GPSbee
[14:59] <Matt_soton> yea there is that
[14:59] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, makes testing stressful
[14:59] <Matt_soton> i just sent data from a ftdi dongle
[14:59] <Matt_soton> makes testing the merdian alot easier
[15:00] <Matt_soton> also i have the antenna which needs a ground plane which is quite annoying
[15:00] <Matt_soton> for apex the antenna had 5m of lead so it could sit on the window sill
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[15:01] <Demon> Well, can the NMEA data be extracted easily from that package ?
[15:01] <Demon> The pins must be identified in the manual, I guess
[15:01] <UpuMobile> hello :)
[15:01] <UpuMobile> I love Three
[15:01] <UpuMobile> middle of no where and still have internets
[15:02] <Demon> So, the yellow square is the antenna ?
[15:02] <Matt_soton> yea
[15:04] <UpuMobile> did Horus finally burst ?
[15:04] <Demon> Seems to be at an intersting price
[15:04] <Darkside> nope
[15:04] <Darkside> stil going
[15:04] <Demon> *interesting
[15:04] <UpuMobile> seriously ?!
[15:04] <UpuMobile> wow
[15:04] <Demon> Why are there so many pins ?
[15:05] <Demon> Not all of them are in use, right ?
[15:05] <Matt_soton> Demon: na u only need 2 + power max
[15:05] <Demon> Then wtf do they supply a 5pcs connection adapter ?
[15:05] <Matt_soton> and enable, which can stay high
[15:06] <Matt_soton> because thats the standard xbee pinout
[15:06] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, three any good? I've O2 atm and it's a bit naff
[15:06] <Demon> ... well that means most of the wires aren't connected to anything
[15:07] <Matt_soton> http://seeedstudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=GPS_Bee_kit_(with_Mini_Embedded_Antenna)
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[15:07] <Matt_soton> scroll down to pin defs
[15:07] <UpuMobile> Hey fsphil Vodaphone is,as usual no existant
[15:07] <UpuMobile> however Three is giving fairly reasonable data
[15:07] <fsphil-laptop> hmm
[15:07] <fsphil-laptop> I may try them
[15:08] <Demon> The page is inexistent, Matt_soton
[15:08] <UpuMobile> which given I'm in the middle of a valley is pretty impressived
[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> the last time we where at the launch site, mate of mine had a Three phone and it seemed the most reliable
[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> which surprised me - I thought three would've been the worst
[15:08] <UpuMobile> Three at Elsworth (EARS) gives 6-7Mb/sec down and about 0.5 up
[15:08] <UpuMobile> which is epic for mobile internets
[15:08] <fsphil-laptop> ooh
[15:09] <fsphil-laptop> def. trying them
[15:09] <Matt_soton> that link is fine for me, but otherwise click the wiki page link at the bottom of the product page Demon
[15:09] <Demon> Well that's odd
[15:09] <UpuMobile> I have a SIM with a fixed IP address
[15:09] <Demon> Only the direct link works
[15:09] <UpuMobile> can get you one if you want, £4 pcm and 4p Mb
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> Matt_soton : can gpsbee work with arduino?
[15:09] <Matt_soton> yea its just serial
[15:09] <UpuMobile> can get inclusive usage of course
[15:10] <fsphil-laptop> I remember those UpuMobile. can they be turned off when not needed? say one month on, not the next?
[15:10] <Demon> Wait- this is I2c ?
[15:10] <Demon> Or is there an nmea0183 output ?
[15:10] <UpuMobile> I think so but at £4 a month its really almost throw away
[15:10] <Darkside> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1489310511.png
[15:10] <Darkside> thats what i'm getting atm
[15:10] <UpuMobile> £25 connection though
[15:10] <Matt_soton> although i dont know if u need to configure it via i2c first, or wether it defualts to serial
[15:10] <Darkside> on our 3g net
[15:10] <Matt_soton> ask someone whos used a ubox
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> Matt_soton : so it is similar to lassen or Venus GPS in connecting?
[15:11] <Darkside> eh?
[15:11] <Darkside> ublox's default to serial
[15:11] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, (longshot) ipv6?
[15:11] <UpuMobile> not atm but pushing them
[15:11] <UpuMobile> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1489312807.png
[15:11] <UpuMobile> mental
[15:11] <Demon> By serial, you mean nmea data output ?
[15:11] <Matt_soton> yea
[15:12] <Darkside> Demon: on UART, yes
[15:12] <Darkside> default on powerup is the standard 1Hz NMEA data on the UART
[15:12] <Demon> Universal Asychronous ... ?
[15:13] <UpuMobile> recieve transmit
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[15:13] <Demon> Can I simply find it in the Foxtrack ?
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : I'm just asking to make sure
[15:13] <Demon> *feed
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> UpuMobile, 4p/mb sounds like a lot but I bet my actualy usage wouldn't be too bad. I'll have to measure :)
[15:13] <fsphil-laptop> at the moment O2 charge £3 for 400mb/24 hours
[15:14] <fsphil-laptop> or about that
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> do you need the xbee shield?
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> or can you connect it directly?
[15:14] <Matt_soton> well u can just get a ubox module
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:14] <Matt_soton> im interested to see where u can get one from for the same price
[15:14] <Matt_soton> and decent shipping
[15:14] <daveake> Yesterday I used a T-Mobile PAYG SIM - £1 for a day as-much-as-you-can-eat; no charge if you don't use it.
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : didn't you have one of those on HoHoHo-I?
[15:15] <daveake> Only had to reconnect once between Berks and the sea in Suffolk :)
[15:15] <fsphil-laptop> thats the best price I've seen so far
[15:15] <Matt_soton> includes antenna too
[15:15] <Demon> Can I directly connect the GPSbee to my Foxtrack ?
[15:16] <Matt_soton> foxtrack?
[15:17] <Demon> APRS encoder
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[15:17] <Demon> Made for nmea 0183 input
[15:17] <Matt_soton> probably, it is supposidly a standard nmea output from that thing
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> there is no pinout or datasheet for the gpsbee
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> ...
[15:17] <Matt_soton> http://garden.seeedstudio.com/images/5/58/GPSBee_v1.2.pdf
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> but for the ublox there is one, right?
[15:17] <daveake> Demon, does it accept 3V3 levels or actual RS232?
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Matt_soton
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> if I look at the pinout, I assume you only really need VCC, GND, TX and RX?
[15:19] <Demon> The standard gps output voltage, daveake
[15:19] <Matt_soton> yea Lunar_Lander
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[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[15:20] <Demon> http://www.foxdelta.com/products/foxtrak/foxtrak.jpg
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> the most common voltages in electronics seem to be 5 V and 3.3 V
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> is there more?
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> I think I read 1.8 V once
[15:20] <Demon> The connector is rs232 tough
[15:20] <Matt_soton> i have a adc thats 1.8 i think
[15:20] <Demon> Its pic microcontroller based
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:21] <Matt_soton> Demon: schematic for that?
[15:21] <Matt_soton> or just specs
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[15:21] <Matt_soton> i dont see a max232
[15:21] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: just buy a seeduino stalker, put on a gps bee, and send one up - all done!
[15:21] <TimZaman> fsphil - i want to make a embedded usb hub. any thoughts?
[15:21] <Demon> The PIC takes the computing in charge
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:22] <Matt_soton> TimZaman: you can buy the usb hub ICs, it cant need many components
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> stalker comes with datalogger system
[15:22] <Darkside> cripes, this flight has been going for something like 14 hours so far
[15:22] <Darkside> this is ridiculous
[15:22] <Matt_soton> tired?
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> 15.5 hours
[15:23] <TimZaman> Darkside: how long have you been awake?
[15:23] <TimZaman> Darkside: where are you now? How about the chase cars?
[15:24] <Demon> Daveake
[15:24] <Demon> The serial in and out pin are directly fed in the PIC microcontroller
[15:24] <Demon> Wich runs on 5v, and supplies the same voltage to the GPS
[15:24] <Darkside> i've been awake for far too long
[15:24] <Darkside> i'm in the chase car thats showing up on the tracker
[15:25] <TimZaman> Darkside: have a internal temp graph?
[15:25] <Darkside> juxta is in a car behind us
[15:25] <Darkside> TimZaman: no, but once i ave all the data i'll be able to get one
[15:25] <Demon> What would it tell me ?
[15:25] <TimZaman> k
[15:25] <Matt_soton> Demon: ull have to read the spec, ttl uart and rs232 uart have opposite levels
[15:25] <daveake> Demon, OK, if you're sending from PIC --> GPS then you need a little resistor network to limit the voltage going to the GPS (which will be expecting 3V3 levels). Other way the PIC should accept 3V3 direct.
[15:25] <TimZaman> Darkside: so are you seriously going after it, all the 1000km?
[15:25] <Matt_soton> well u wont need to send to the GPS
[15:26] <Demon> No daveake
[15:26] <daveake> Depends on the GPS
[15:26] <Demon> The pic only receives
[15:26] <daveake> Some need to be set to aircraft mode, for example
[15:26] <Demon> Yes, since 3.3 is in the "1" state of 5v ttl I think ?
[15:26] <Darkside> TimZaman: no, we're on our way home lol
[15:26] <daveake> Yes
[15:26] <Darkside> we gave up when we got a few hundred km into victoria
[15:26] <Matt_soton> apparently the ubox is fine when u turn it on daveake
[15:27] <Demon> Well, I dont think the pic is ment to set it into aircraft mode
[15:27] <Demon> What's that mode ?
[15:27] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, for above 12km you need to set it to a differnet mode then default
[15:27] <daveake> Matt_soton - OK, I did set mine to flight mode, after I read somewhere about that.
[15:27] <Matt_soton> oh ignore me then
[15:27] <daveake> :D
[15:28] <Matt_soton> yea in which case ull have to program it to aircraft mode by modifying the pic program or with a different micro
[15:28] <Demon> ...Damnit.
[15:28] <daveake> In my startup code for my recently departed payload ;-), it sent init strings to switch ogg the NMEA strings I didn't want, and to set aircraft mode
[15:28] <daveake> Demon - Lassen IQ needs no init
[15:28] <Demon> Is there a non pad package ?
[15:29] <daveake> Of ....?
[15:29] <Demon> Lassen IQ
[15:29] <daveake> Get the cable
[15:29] <Matt_soton> it has pins not pads
[15:29] <Demon> Good news
[15:29] <daveake> Cable plugs in to the pins
[15:30] <Demon> I see
[15:30] <daveake> The wire's think but not a problem
[15:30] <daveake> thin*
[15:30] <daveake> http://www.dpieshop.com/trimble-iqsq-data-cable-to-flying-lead-way-125mm-pitch-p-238.html
[15:31] <daveake> For testing, get an external antenna and the "transition cable" to match, so you can sling the aerial outside the window.
[15:31] <Demon> Does it requires setting to go into nmea mode output ? It says it can send data out in multiple ways
[15:31] <daveake> No, no init at all
[15:32] <daveake> Oh, take that back ...
[15:32] <Demon> ?
[15:32] <daveake> ... I connected mine to a PC and set it up using the Trimble software. You then store that in the device.
[15:32] <daveake> It does have a flight mode. I don't know if that's needed or not, but I did set it
[15:32] <Matt_soton> it defualts to nmea
[15:32] <Matt_soton> and its fine
[15:33] <daveake> ta
[15:33] <Matt_soton> there are two serial ports, the other one outputs odd formats
[15:33] <Matt_soton> i have used the lassen unlike the ubox...
[15:35] <Demon> Ugh.
[15:35] <Matt_soton> ?
[15:35] <Demon> I could get around a lot of these buggers if I knew Sirf II needs power cycling or not.
[15:35] <Demon> I really don't care about the max altitude it reached
[15:36] <daveake> Just use the Lassen as Matt says. You don't need to init the thing.
[15:36] <daveake> It's just that I did.
[15:36] <Demon> Oh
[15:36] <Demon> "Supports NMEA 0183, TSIP, TAIP and DGPS
[15:36] <Matt_soton> the most ull need is a voltage regulator and perhaps a transistor to invert the logic levels
[15:36] <Demon> Default is NMEA ?
[15:36] <Matt_soton> yea
[15:36] <daveake> YES
[15:36] <daveake> On one port (1 or A depending on which part of the manual you're reading!)
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[15:37] <daveake> Or might be 2 / B ... I forget
[15:37] <daveake> So one port is NMEA default; other is a Trimble protocol. Just connect up the NMEA one. Job done.
[15:37] <Matt_soton> its B
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[15:38] <daveake> I feared that after I typed in A .. :)
[15:38] <Demon> What about inverting the logic levels ?
[15:39] <Matt_soton> its possible the pic expects rs232 which is inverted to ttl
[15:39] <Demon> The pic expects normal gps output
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[15:40] <Matt_soton> well some bare modules like the ubox and lassen output ttl, but more 'complete' 'enclosed' modules for pc use are rsr232
[15:40] <Demon> I can verify that anyway
[15:41] <Matt_soton> with hte rs232 connector i would expect it to be rs232, but an inverter is not an issue
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[15:43] <Demon> Unfortunately, the SiRF III GPS chip of GM862-GPS breaks at an altitude over 24km
[15:43] <Demon> So I just added automatic rebooting of the GPS module into the Python script when there has been no fix for over 10 minutes.
[15:43] <Demon> "quote"
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : does the internal T sensor have a lower limit of -25°C?
[15:44] <Matt_soton> its been at -26...
[15:45] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: nope, -55
[15:45] <Darkside> i think the regulators power dissipation is keeping it at -25
[15:45] <number10> Darkeside: what happened to Horus
[15:45] <Darkside> number10: its still in the air
[15:45] <BrainDamage> Demon: do you have a pressure sensor?
[15:45] <Darkside> 14 hours after launch
[15:46] <BrainDamage> you could register the pressure at which altitude it loses lock
[15:46] <Demon> Nope
[15:46] <number10> wow I see- have you slept?
[15:46] <BrainDamage> and reboot near that
[15:46] <Demon> Or reboot at a set timelapse
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah Darkside
[15:46] <Demon> Less prone to malfunction
[15:46] <Darkside> number10: nope
[15:47] <BrainDamage> you could have both, and time reboot requires good prediction
[15:47] <Darkside> Very tired, but won't sleep until i get home.
[15:47] <Demon> Five minutes to reboot
[15:48] <Demon> No prediction involved
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[15:48] <number10> are you in chase VK5ZM - looks like you have a good network of trackers
[15:48] <Demon> I'll go with that
[15:48] <UpuMobile> hey number10
[15:48] <number10> he upuMobile - you at the lakes?
[15:48] <Darkside> number10: yes i am in chase VK5ZM
[15:48] <UpuMobile> I don't dare open the tracker atm its 16mb
[15:48] <Darkside> terry is behind us in his car
[15:48] <UpuMobile> yeah
[15:49] <Darkside> we're gonna stop in tailem bend and get some good i think
[15:49] <Darkside> we need a stretch
[15:49] <number10> great - I hope wife is OK UpuMobile
[15:49] <Darkside> i've got crap all legroom on this car
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[15:50] <number10> how long have you been on the go Darkside?
[15:50] <Darkside> since 9am
[15:50] <Darkside> its now 1:20am the next day
[15:50] <Darkside> so... a bloody long time
[15:50] <number10> wow
[15:50] <number10> no uni work for a day
[15:51] <Darkside> heh
[15:51] <Darkside> i'm going to be stuffed tomorrow
[15:51] <number10> I think so
[15:51] <Darkside> i think i'll be waking up at midday and working from home
[15:51] <number10> are you taking turns to drive
[15:51] <Darkside> yup
[15:52] <number10> how long is battery life running micronut?
[15:53] <Darkside> 21 hrs or so
[15:56] <TimZaman> would this give me four virtual USB port if i hook it up? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/ICs/FT4232H.htm
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[15:56] <daveake> Not the best phoot from my launch ... looks like the balloon is attached to my arse :p - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6158799630/
[15:56] <jcoxon> TimZaman, do you really need usb ports?
[15:57] <number10> all these guys still tracking for you Darkside - your mates there are nearly as good as your mates over here ;)
[15:57] <Matt_soton> itll give u 4 virtual serial ports at a guess
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> _not_ 4 USBs
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> one USB
[16:04] <Demon> GPS TX (NMEA DATA OUT to PC or device)
[16:04] <Demon> So it does is RS232
[16:06] <Matt_soton> if its expecting pc gps devices then its rs232
[16:12] <Demon> So ? Did one of you fall asleep on the driving wheel yet ?
[16:12] <Darkside> no
[16:12] <Darkside> i'm almost asleep, but i'm not driving
[16:13] <jcoxon> Darkside, you should so launch a floater to NZ
[16:14] <Darkside> jcoxon: haha
[16:16] <Demon> Too bad there's no board for flight lenght record
[16:16] <Darkside> there is
[16:16] <Darkside> but we're nowhere near the top
[16:16] <Darkside> top is like 40 hours, thought they were zero pressure balloons
[16:16] <Darkside> so thats cheating
[16:17] <UpuMobile> how long has it been up now ?
[16:17] <Darkside> 15 hours?
[16:17] <Darkside> not sure
[16:17] <Darkside> 17 hours
[16:17] <UpuMobile> ok off laters all
[16:17] <Darkside> i think
[16:18] <UpuMobile> nice
[16:18] <Hibby> Darkside: still going?
[16:18] <Darkside> yep
[16:18] <UpuMobile> well good luck !
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[16:18] <Hibby> nice
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[16:18] <Hibby> traker looks empty :/
[16:19] <Darkside> give it time
[16:19] <Hibby> it's had 17 hours :p
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[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi upum
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[16:26] <Demon_> ?
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> I noticed too late that upu left
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> green circle is horizon?
[16:27] <Darkside> green is 5 degree altitude
[16:27] <Darkside> blue is horizon
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> radio-wise?
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> or visually
[16:28] <Darkside> visually
[16:28] <Darkside> which at UHF is basically the same as radio
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:28] <Darkside> unless you take into account ducting, which the tracker can't predict
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> so someone on the balloon could already see the pacific?
[16:28] <Darkside> yeah
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[16:29] <fsphil> and just the north edge of tasmania
[16:29] <fsphil> number of listeners is dropping off
[16:29] <fsphil> no, back up now
[16:30] <fsphil> -51 .. accurate?
[16:30] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : somehow I think this music matches now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5d4hypFcUA
[16:30] <Darkside> not listening to that in the car
[16:30] <Darkside> not on 3g
[16:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:37] <Demon_> jkj
[16:38] <TimZaman> jcoxon ; yeah i need some paralel processing
[16:39] <TimZaman> sending out two continuous streams and one transceivestreame
[16:39] <jcoxon> all arduino based?
[16:39] <jcoxon> isn't serial better
[16:40] <TimZaman> SpeedEvil: how fould that FT4232 act on linux you guess? as 4 ports in /dev/ ?
[16:40] <TimZaman> no one arduino
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> If configured as four rs232 ports
[16:40] <TimZaman> well thats exactly what i need.
[16:41] <TimZaman> which is what i need. good stuff. jcoxon i just need three (or four) serial connections
[16:41] <jcoxon> doesn't the beagle board have that many?
[16:41] <TimZaman> one for NTX2, another for NTX2, another for arduino, another for either an xbee or gm862
[16:42] <Hibby> TimZaman: might get away with arduino's new software serial?
[16:42] <TimZaman> jcoxon: beagleboard has five, pandaboard just hree
[16:42] <TimZaman> Hibby: those cant send continuous streams still..
[16:42] <daveake> Sometimes random play on the media player does come up with some interesting choices ... "Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground"
[16:42] <Hibby> ocht
[16:43] <TimZaman> Hibby: especially not while reading out gps, reading out another uart, sending one uart and sending another at the same time. i think it can be done but way complex
[16:44] <daveake> Arduino Mega has 4 h/w ports
[16:44] <Matt_soton> well two of those are to ntx2s which are very low bandwidth
[16:44] <jcoxon> TimZaman, do you interface serial with ntx2?
[16:44] <Matt_soton> so u could put a micro to act as a 1->4 serial spliter
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[16:48] <TimZaman> jcoxon: yep
[16:49] <TimZaman> daveake: though those 4 ports dont work simultanious
[16:49] <TimZaman> i mean, we're talking a continuous stream of data into the module, two continuous streams out, and two steams that tranceive
[16:50] <jcoxon> perhaps you could i2c
[16:50] <jcoxon> some GPS modules do i2c
[16:50] <TimZaman> jcoxon: the "space-camera-live-1" used an FTDI straight to the ntx2, worked like a charm
[16:50] <TimZaman> yeah my gps can work with that
[16:50] <jcoxon> TimZaman, oh thats interesting
[16:50] <jcoxon> did't realise that
[16:51] <TimZaman> jcoxon: it makes interfacing suuuper simple. you just say "1200 baud" and doesnt worry about anything. Though the FTDI chips are (specs) minimum 300baud, but at 200baud they work as well. not lower though
[16:51] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:51] <TimZaman> jcoxon: thats why i like just two serial ports, so that in linux i just " cat blabla.txt > /dev/RADIO1" and i'm done there
[16:52] <jcoxon> hehe but the funny thing is the potential complexity you add with all this usb
[16:52] <jcoxon> in comparison to some changes to the linux bit
[16:52] <TimZaman> true! and i had a lot of problems with it, with the buffer and all..
[16:53] <TimZaman> but still, that FT4343 looks neat, doesnt it?
[16:53] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : how did your Pictura computer work? also arduino based
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[16:53] <TimZaman> i mean.. the second best plan is just buying a USB hub. which will give me 5 usb wires weighing minimum 200g altogether. last flight, my usb wires were as heavy as the payload
[16:53] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: worked great.
[16:54] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: check out the "backup payload" article. thats as easy as it gets
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:54] <jcoxon> TimZaman, yeah sure - there is definitely and intergrated way of doing things
[16:54] <TimZaman> i was done with a payload in.. a few hours? including cutdown, gprs, gps, radio
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> the one in the pen box?
[16:54] <TimZaman> jcoxon: although, i am getting scared of the complexity of the board, it will have a lot of 'osciallating' parts, i hope that doesnt mess up the ntx2 signals
[16:55] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: yep
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:55] <TimZaman> okay back to "Fargo 1996"
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> and that is based on the Pictura?
[16:55] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: the "Pictura" board was just a modular thingy. nothing special, really.
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:55] <TimZaman> if you want to go small, talk to Darkside
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> because you wrote on your site that you have some Picturas left
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> so I wanted to find out more
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> it took one of the little arduinos?
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> like here http://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?id=5595119505
[16:57] <TimZaman> yep, arduino pro mini
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:57] <TimZaman> but Lunar_Lander, listen to me. buy a seeduino stalker, gps bee, a small lipo battery and solder up a ntx2 (just two resistors, done!), and you're all set.
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> I have actually now Arduino Uno and Mega and several other devices
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> so maybe I should have discovered the stalker before
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[16:58] <TimZaman> well, then, you should have bought the stalker!
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> NTX2 with two resistors gives that 425 Hz shift?
[16:59] <TimZaman> seriously. but its logical they dont sell it at sparkfun; because if everyone has a stalker, they will sell no microsd shields or beeshields of gps shields anymore
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:59] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: i use high definition potresistors
[16:59] <TimZaman> can make any shift you want
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:01] <jcoxon> heading for sydney...
[17:01] <fsphil> it's stilllll going
[17:01] <fsphil> make it stop
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : so I should buy a stalker at the end of the month?
[17:02] <fsphil> also heading towards a giant national park
[17:02] <fsphil> oh wow, millions of trees!
[17:02] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: well you should just make a plan with whatever you want to make, send it up. if you ask me, simplest is the stalker, has got an internal tempsensor as well!
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> I want to send up GPS+Radio+datalogger
[17:03] <TimZaman> and all the code you need is already on my "backuppayload" article, so you cant go very wrong there
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> and for the last thing I got several breakouts for sensors
[17:03] <TimZaman> well then you're done, and only need to solder up a ntx2
[17:03] <fsphil> Bago State Forest -- I'd love to visit, but not to try and recover a payload :)
[17:03] <jcoxon> sunrise for balloon will be in just over 2hrs
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> I got a NTX2
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> so I only need to mount it to some protoboard or so
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : and sorry if my understanding is sometimes slow
[17:04] <fsphil> there are IC's that can drive many pins from just a couple -- I've forgotten the name, any pointers?
[17:04] <jcoxon> port expanders?
[17:05] <Matt_soton> shift register?
[17:05] <fsphil> shift register! that's the one
[17:05] <fsphil> for an OT project, needs to drive many LEDs
[17:05] <Matt_soton> there are ASIC LED drivers
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : the blue shield on your stalker is a custom board?
[17:05] <Hibby> multiplexer?
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> because it says "TU Delft"
[17:06] <Matt_soton> that drive lots of leds from spi with pwm and so on
[17:06] <fsphil> they might be better
[17:07] <fsphil> though it just needs to switch them on or off
[17:09] <Matt_soton> how many leds?
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> stupid question probably TimZaman
[17:10] <Darkside> ok home...
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> how do you program it?
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> or do you need a seeduino AND a stalker?
[17:11] <Darkside> hmm
[17:11] <fsphil> Matt_soton, more than 100 :)
[17:11] <fsphil> doing an led matrix display thingy
[17:12] <Matt_soton> you probably want a row coloumn thing then
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[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> because the datasheet of the stalker mentions a "host arduino"
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> or could I even mount the stalker on my Uno?
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[17:14] <Matt_soton> http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/3379
[17:14] <Matt_soton> for example
[17:15] <fsphil> ohh spot on .. all the examples I found where people doing it the hard way
[17:15] <fsphil> couple of those will do the job
[17:15] <Hibby> fsphil: could get a lolshield and hack it?
[17:15] <Hibby> 9x14 grid of leds
[17:15] <Darkside> are there any launches scheduled in the next while?
[17:16] <fsphil> not big enough Hibby
[17:16] <Matt_soton> they rnt that cheap but no1 pays for maxim stuff :P
[17:16] <fsphil> well said lol
[17:16] <Hibby> fsphil: well just do some wires instead of LEDs and scale it to however bit it has to be
[17:16] <fsphil> I'm suppose to be launching but still waiting on the caa
[17:16] <Hibby> but the board and library are solid
[17:17] <Hibby> we used one in the US (the LVL1 crew) to make a giant screen suspended from a HAB balloon
[17:17] <Hibby> the screen being a 9x14 grid of party ballons
[17:17] <Hibby> :)
[17:17] <fsphil> any flicker?
[17:17] <Hibby> fsphil: maybe on lvl1oculus, but I think we were all too amazed the thing actually worked
[17:17] <fsphil> lol
[17:17] <fsphil> they're not badly priced, will have a play with one
[17:18] <fsphil> I'm making a big scrolling clock
[17:19] <fsphil> something that can display reminders too
[17:19] <fsphil> and connected to the network
[17:19] <Hibby> lolshield is the perfect starting point then
[17:19] <Hibby> gets rid of the 'hard part'
[17:19] <Hibby> unless you're like me, and relish that bit
[17:19] <Matt_soton> TI do some high power logic if u wanted to do it the hard way but without lots of transistors
[17:20] <fsphil> ah, noticed on the video sometimes some of the LEDs light up faintly when they're not suppose to
[17:21] <Darkside> well this is nice, the payload seems to have reached temperature equilibrium
[17:21] <Darkside> -52 outside, -25 inside
[17:21] <Darkside> it must be generating enough heat to keep the board at -25
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:22] <Hibby> vidyo?
[17:22] <fsphil> Hibby, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaypee4227/4233327963/
[17:23] <Hibby> fsphil: how curious
[17:23] <Hibby> we had similar problems but couldn't explain it
[17:24] <Matt_soton> im guessing as its charlieplexed
[17:24] <fsphil> yea
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[17:28] <fsphil> VK1KW has a sweet antenna
[17:29] <jcoxon> 4* 22E
[17:29] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:29] <Hibby> nerdperv
[17:29] <fsphil> his yagi is bigger than mine
[17:30] <Hibby> fsphil: make yours bigger
[17:30] <Hibby> with some wire
[17:30] <Hibby> simples
[17:31] <fsphil> 6x 40 el.. but not all pointing in the same direction :)
[17:31] <Hibby> what band?
[17:32] <Hibby> tbh, there comes a point that the weight of the new elements outweighs the directivity increase
[17:32] <fsphil> I remember someone not far from here had a huge yagi in the back garden, I always though he just wanted a really good TV signal but now I realise it was probably for 70cm
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[17:32] <jcoxon> fsphil, he is also nearly the closest
[17:33] <fsphil> and likely the last tracker
[17:33] <fsphil> if the batteries last that long
[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> 2.5 h till sunrise
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[17:34] <Hibby> IIRC we're 2x26 el or something for the 70cm at stac
[17:34] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, -40mins off that
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> for the altitude?
[17:34] <jcoxon> as at altitude the sun will rise earlier
[17:34] <fsphil> I've got a 2x 11-el setup
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:34] <fsphil> it works very well
[17:35] <jcoxon> fsphil you stacking your yagis?
[17:35] <fsphil> jcoxon, yea - got two of the diamonds though I've only done it with hadie-2 so far
[17:35] <fsphil> and even that struggled to hear it
[17:36] <jcoxon> where did you get the connector thingy?
[17:36] <Hibby> oh, 2x 28 parasitic elements
[17:36] <fsphil> jcoxon, wsplc's site - it's made by diamond too
[17:36] <Hibby> fsphil: you got yagis? This means we can play with basic triangulation
[17:36] <Hibby> :)
[17:36] <fsphil> a bit pricey for all it is
[17:37] <fsphil> I has yagis and will travel :)
[17:37] <Hibby> no need to travel, STAC will be putting up balloons again next year
[17:37] <fsphil> the next 70cm contest I'm bringing them up the big hill if the weather is friendly enough
[17:37] <fsphil> I need to travel anyway-- too many obstructions here
[17:37] <Hibby> another group of idio... I mean undergrads to try the project
[17:38] <fsphil> lol
[17:38] <fsphil> hopefully no crashes this time
[17:38] <fsphil> the flaw is you guys launch during the week
[17:38] <Hibby> not my choice
[17:38] <fsphil> yea
[17:39] <Hibby> students don't want to work at the weekend
[17:39] <fsphil> don't blame 'em
[17:39] <Hibby> they don't work during the week either though
[17:39] <fsphil> right there with them :)
[17:40] <fsphil> triangulation would be neat -- we could add the data to habitat (receiver location, signal bearing)
[17:40] <fsphil> have it plot the lines on the map
[17:42] <fsphil> -52c .. I wonder if this payload is being heated more by the atmosphere or head radiating from the ground?
[17:42] <fsphil> heat*
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> but would the styrofoam let the IR in?
[17:42] <juxta> so tired
[17:43] <juxta> driving since 7am
[17:43] <juxta> now 3:00am
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:43] <fsphil> it's an external sensor though, it should be able to 'see' the ground
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> we calculated that the sunrise on the balloon is still almost 2 h away
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:43] <Matt_soton> hmm no battery voltage this time?
[17:44] <RocketBoy> its certainly good experience at floating balloons - and data
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:47] <natrium42> o/
[17:47] <juxta> hi natrium42
[17:47] <natrium42> wow, it's still up
[17:47] <juxta> yeah
[17:47] <natrium42> shall we delete chase car tracks?
[17:47] <juxta> sure
[17:48] <natrium42> the amount of points is getting out of hand....
[17:48] <juxta> i'm going to dump the DB again
[17:48] <natrium42> sounds good
[17:48] <natrium42> i hope that people are using chrome :P
[17:49] <fsphil> the fox is handling it fine :)
[17:49] <juxta> last time we cleared it there were about 50k posits natrium42
[17:50] <Hibby> please, chromium
[17:50] <Hibby> not chrome
[17:50] <natrium42> lol, fine
[17:50] Action: Hibby puts on tinfoil hat and tells tales of google's spyware
[17:50] <NigeyS> i.e 9 is handling it just.....oh wait, it's crashed :P
[17:50] <Darkside> i still have the tracker goung at home from when i started it this morning :P
[17:50] <Darkside> it has the entire track! :D
[17:50] <jcoxon> screenshot
[17:50] <natrium42> Darkside: which browser?
[17:51] <Darkside> chromium
[17:51] <Darkside> and yeah, i'll screenshot it
[17:51] <Hibby> Darkside: brohoof!
[17:51] <natrium42> yeah, just the loading is slow
[17:51] <natrium42> you have to press "Wait" instead of "Kill pages
[17:55] <jcoxon> i predict sunrise for the balloon in 1hr 10mins time
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> is TimZaman still here?
[17:57] <fsphil> I predict more cut-downs in future :)
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[17:57] <TimZaman> did Lunar_Lander no
[17:57] <jcoxon> fsphil, pah - this is more fun
[17:57] <fsphil> lol
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:58] <fsphil> there'll be no cut-down on my big pico flight :)
[17:58] <TimZaman> fsphil whens the launch
[17:58] <jcoxon> i think we've got enough data now to write some sort of paper on 37km float flights
[17:58] <fsphil> soon as DM@CAA says so :)
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah jcoxon
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> definately
[17:59] <Darkside> jcoxon: not enough *accurate* data
[17:59] <Darkside> gps altitude is going to be horribly innacurate
[17:59] <jcoxon> Darkside, still, as a short paper on a phenomena
[18:00] <jcoxon> the data is good enough to show that float can occur
[18:00] <Darkside> heh
[18:00] <Darkside> yeah, if you fuck up the filling
[18:00] <Darkside> :P
[18:00] <Darkside> i think we had about 390g neck lift
[18:00] <jcoxon> sure not to prove the mechanism
[18:00] <Darkside> we should have done 400 or more
[18:00] <Darkside> but yeah, they can certainly go into a float mode..
[18:01] <Darkside> i reckon as soon as the light hits this thing, its going to ascend and burst
[18:01] <jcoxon> agreed
[18:01] <fsphil> you're altitude is in a general descending pattern now
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : so I need a stalker and put it on the arduino uno that I have?
[18:02] Action: Hibby hasn't seen the balloon on the tracker for quite some time
[18:02] <fsphil> Hibby, you seeing anything? it's on my screen
[18:02] <Hibby> i can see all the rx stations
[18:03] <Hibby> I've been on and off
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> hey
[18:03] <Hibby> was fine at about midday
[18:03] <Hibby> since then, not seen it
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> it's lower than ever
[18:03] <fsphil> yea
[18:03] <fsphil> refresh no help?
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> come on
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> when the sun comes up
[18:03] <Hibby> don't even have the tab
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> rise, burst
[18:03] <Hibby> legacy is no different
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> and land at Wollongong
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:04] <fsphil> it took a few minutes to load here, but working fine after that
[18:04] <fsphil> what's the status showing at the bottom?
[18:04] <Hibby> refreshing
[18:04] <fsphil> it's loading the points
[18:04] <fsphil> or had died loading the points
[18:05] <Hibby> this may need looked at if there's going to be more floaters done in t'future
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> it'll pass NW of canberra
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> is it possible to get the whole track with the temperature records somehow?
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> randomskk had said that he had saved what had been cleared
[18:05] <Hibby> there used to be a page with all the data
[18:05] <fsphil> you'd have to copy of the database
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:05] <Hibby> yay
[18:05] <Hibby> thre we go
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah the page loaded for you?
[18:06] <Hibby> yeah
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> I thought the balloon finally burst
[18:07] <Darkside> lol nope
[18:07] <Darkside> we wish lol
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> xd
[18:09] <juxta> all the data is safe an sound
[18:09] <juxta> we'll sift through it later
[18:10] <fsphil-laptop> almost cleared the forest
[18:11] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: whatever happens, we're not getting this one back
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> you're approaching a built up area, there's still a chance it'll be fonud
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> found*
[18:11] <fsphil-laptop> do you have contact details on it?
[18:11] <Darkside> yup
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[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi gw
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[18:15] <Demon> j Little floater floats j
[18:16] <Demon> For how much time now ?
[18:16] <Darkside> 18 hours...
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Wow. :)
[18:17] <fsphil-laptop> you've beaten wb8elk's float record :)
[18:17] <Demon> It might never come back to earth, who knows
[18:17] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: nah, his was around 22 hours
[18:17] <fsphil-laptop> when it comes to balloons, gravity always wins
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> (01:58:33 PM) daveake: Someone mention the S word again :(
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> about a hour to sunrise
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> (01:58:49 PM) SpeedEvil: Sydney
[18:17] <Darkside> HiBall-2 had a 22 hour duration
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> (7h ago)
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> 17:40 hr
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> NaN hr 26Apr08 (WB8ELK) pin-hole latex floater
[18:18] <Darkside> yes
[18:18] <Demon> So, sunlight will pop the balloon or make it rise ?
[18:18] <Darkside> but wehaven't beaten teh other two
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> make it rise
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> 1 hour till sunrise on the balloon
[18:18] <fsphil-laptop> it's probably been weakened, so rising will make it pop
[18:19] <russss> sunlight will make it rise
[18:19] <fsphil-laptop> though with these chinese balloons I'm not so sure :)
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[18:19] <russss> and it's already at ~38km so it doesn't need to rise much to burst
[18:19] <jcoxon> lets see
[18:19] <Darkside> hm isnt there a globaltuner in sydney?
[18:19] <fsphil-laptop> the burst-at-sunrise experience is mostly just from the other balloons
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:20] <BrainDamage> sun warms the balloon, and makes it expand?
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> Has the guy in canberra got a strong throwing arm and a boomerang/
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> BrainDamage, makes the gas inside expand
[18:20] <Demon> A black balloon would've had been better then
[18:20] <BrainDamage> yes, the gas expanding, not the latex
[18:20] <BrainDamage> I think latex actually contracts with heat
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Or heats the latex, which yields a bit
[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> that too
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> XD SpeedEvil
[18:21] <fsphil-laptop> laser!
[18:22] <fsphil-laptop> 10W laser from the ground and a steady aim :)
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[18:22] <russss> even lasers aren't convergent enough for that
[18:22] <BrainDamage> exactly
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> convergent or coherent?
[18:23] <BrainDamage> beam diverges
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> you'd need a reasonable sized mirror
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> to focus it
[18:23] <russss> convergent is, I think, the right word
[18:23] <BrainDamage> it is
[18:23] <fsphil-laptop> balloons with lasers
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> I think around a 15m mirror should work
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> To focus a ~3mm spot on a target 35km away
[18:24] <BrainDamage> and don't forget that atmosphere will absorb a decent fraction of the power, unless you can find a suitable wavelenght that passes transparent
[18:25] <fsphil-laptop> ah, I missed VK2HRX on the tracker - he'll be the last receiver if it floats out over the ocean
[18:25] <fsphil-laptop> and the batteries are still going
[18:25] <fsphil-laptop> these guys are doing a great job tracking considering local time
[18:25] <juxta> indeed
[18:25] <juxta> 4:30am overe there
[18:25] <juxta> 4:00am here
[18:26] <BrainDamage> I wonder - has anyone considered a disposable payload? one sufficiently cheap that recovering costs are not worth the fuel?
[18:26] <Darkside> its been considered
[18:26] <BrainDamage> ofc you'd have the problem of polluting around with junk :/
[18:26] <Darkside> but GPSes push the bill of materials high
[18:28] <Matt_soton> well the metoffice dont expect theirs back
[18:28] <jcoxon> does battery efficiency improve in the cold?
[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> normally the opposite I'd have thought
[18:29] <jcoxon> hmmm yes, now that i think about it
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> but at low loads it's not that much of an issue
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> Oh - sydney has picked it up
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> and sparkfun also :)
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> I just told it to the people in #sparkfun
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[18:30] <jcoxon> Darkside, got that screenshot yet?
[18:31] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: you can see the full trace of the flight on the habitat demo GUI; it can handle the whole thing
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[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> DanielRichman : is that public?
[18:33] <DanielRichman> yes
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> where?
[18:33] <DanielRichman> http://habitat.habhub.org/testing-web/demo.html; choose GMaps and then the HORUS at the bottom of the list
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[18:33] <DanielRichman> if you try to load HORUS in Stream or Rfresh your computer will melt.
[18:33] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, don't copy that link elsewhere
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[18:33] <DanielRichman> yes. It's very temporary and will break
[18:33] <DanielRichman> etc.
[18:33] <jcoxon> keep it on here for a bit
[18:33] <Laurenceb> what the hell
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[18:33] <Laurenceb> still floating
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> hey!
[18:34] <Darkside> we're slightly concerned about teh flight path, just keep it within this channel for the while
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> I got a mail
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> the hot-air balloon pilot can take my payload on a checkout ride
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[18:34] <Laurenceb> heading to sydney
[18:34] <Darkside> Laurenceb: thats what i'm concerned about
[18:35] <Darkside> but we'll see i guess...
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[18:35] <DanielRichman> your news will pick it up and run "2KG BALLOON WEIGHT HEADED TO SYDNEY" etc.
[18:35] <DanielRichman> off topic: do Macs come pre-installed with ssh, sftp & ssh-keygen ?
[18:36] <juxta_> ssh at least yes
[18:36] <Steffanx> Yes, yes, yes DanielRichman
[18:36] <DanielRichman> awesome
[18:38] <Hibby> habitat tracker is nice
[18:38] <Hibby> but be sure to get a background for the scrollbar
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[18:39] <Hibby> as in gmaps satellite mode, it's inverting the colour of the map behind it
[18:39] <DanielRichman> the UI bits of that will probably be rewritten when we make the habitat ui proper
[18:39] <DanielRichman> that page is just a test of some javascript that syncs a list of points with couchdb
[18:39] <Hibby> and looks a bit funny.
[18:39] <Hibby> aha
[18:41] <Darkside> oh guys: this is how you get signal when below a balloon: http://i.imgur.com/0Guc2.jpg
[18:41] <Darkside> 3 element yagi pointed *up*
[18:41] <PsionicOz> That bearded bloke looks familiar?
[18:41] <Hibby> what y'all need are quad helices
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[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> WTF!
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> http://projectspaceplanes.com/
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> check that out
[18:42] <Darkside> old
[18:42] <Darkside> :P
[18:42] <juxta_> that bearded bloke is santa
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> but from germany to the USA and ZA?!
[18:43] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: yeah we think some of that data may have been fudged
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:43] <PsionicOz> darkside.. nice photo... lol
[18:43] <juxta_> you should be sleeping PsionicOz :)
[18:43] <PsionicOz> Yes so should you :)
[18:43] <PsionicOz> Tried it for all of 5 mins and decided to come and watch the show.
[18:43] <Darkside> hehe
[18:46] <PsionicOz> ah hot milo tastes better than coffee... but at least coffee keeps you on the road.
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[18:47] <juxta_> that was rather a long drive, wasn't it PsionicOz
[18:48] <juxta_> how many km was it in total?
[18:48] <Darkside> 1400km or something like that
[18:48] <PsionicOz> Just a tad... we've set a number of firsts today/tonight.
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[18:48] <PsionicOz> Well in excess of 1400kms... I think I did close to 1450kms since arriving at Grahams.
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[18:49] <PsionicOz> that doesn't include the 30 or so k's to GH's.
[18:49] <juxta_> if only I had taken the golf
[18:49] <juxta_> less than 1 tank!
[18:49] <PsionicOz> he he...
[18:49] <PsionicOz> I"ll add up the fuel in the morning but Im' pretty sure it will be 120l or so for the lux.
[18:50] <juxta_> yikes
[18:50] <juxta_> by the time we take the helium, balloon & fuel into account this will have been a pricey one
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> but the most awesome one
[18:51] <natrium42> :D
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> you are now 7th on the duration list!
[18:51] <Darkside> this really is a ridiculous flight path
[18:51] <Darkside> seriously
[18:51] <juxta_> funnily enough we didn't plan to be
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:52] <Darkside> so a warning to you all
[18:52] <jcoxon> looking at the trajectory it'll keep swinging north
[18:52] <Laurenceb> dawn soon
[18:52] <Darkside> be REALLY careful when underfilling 2kg balloons
[18:52] <Laurenceb> im guessing that will pop it
[18:52] <Laurenceb> with the uv
[18:52] <Steffanx> It's a real Australian boomerang?
[18:53] <Darkside> adelaide to sydney via balloon? >_>
[18:54] <PsionicOz> as darkside so eloquently put it tonight "chinese rubber lasts longer than you do"
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> and that just after south africa prohibited the import of chinese condoms
[18:56] <PsionicOz> we will have to see what happens at dawn... most likely take another couple of hours of baking before bursts.
[18:57] <PsionicOz> I wonder if it will conk out due to cold and low V and start again when the sun comes up and warms things a little?
[18:57] <jcoxon> PsionicOz, dawn will be between 45mins and 1hr before ground sunrise
[18:57] <PsionicOz> juxta_ yes a most expensive launch this one.
[18:57] <jcoxon> at least thats our experience of sunsets at altitude
[18:57] <jcoxon> i've just reversed the concept
[18:57] <Laurenceb> im guessing the UV will pop it
[18:58] <PsionicOz> hmm.. that's right height is a marvellous thing..
[18:58] <PsionicOz> we didn't expect it to last 9+ hrs in the UV in the first place :(
[18:58] <jcoxon> haha
[18:59] <fsphil-laptop> we should do this with a solar powered spot tracker
[19:00] Action: jcoxon wishes he had space like in Oz
[19:00] <daveake> ditto :p
[19:00] <daveake> even another 8 miles :)
[19:00] <jcoxon> hehe daveake
[19:01] <PsionicOz> having the space is nice until you have to drive across it to retrieve your balloon...
[19:01] <daveake> My heart bleeds
[19:01] <daveake> :)
[19:01] <Hibby> i guess the next one is a trans australian expedition
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> x
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:02] <Darkside> remember guys, this was *not* intentional
[19:02] <Darkside> this is an accident,and its not one we want to repeat
[19:03] <PsionicOz> next time more gas!
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:03] <Hibby> Darkside: why not? it's an entirely awesome experiement in it's own right if you repeat it and are prepared
[19:03] <daveake> Darkside mine wasn't intentional either!
[19:04] <Darkside> yours didn't overfly a third of a continent
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[19:05] <daveake> Indeed. But enough to get wet.
[19:05] <PsionicOz> if the same happened in the UK it would probably be an international incident...
[19:05] <daveake> :)
[19:05] <fsphil-laptop> this would be in germany by now
[19:05] <Hibby> "dont' ask don't tell"
[19:05] <PsionicOz> somewhere over france :)
[19:05] <Hibby> I mean, yes, of course
[19:05] <PsionicOz> lol
[19:05] <Laurenceb> murrumbateman
[19:06] <Laurenceb> is that a euphamism?
[19:06] <Darkside> BATEMAN'S BAYYYYY
[19:06] <Darkside> nope
[19:06] <Darkside> there are some very weird names in NSW
[19:06] <RocketBoy> so if sunrise at altitude is 45mins before the ground and sunrise in Sidney is 5:50am and its 5:06 am there now its sinrise at balloon time
[19:07] <jcoxon> yup
[19:07] <fsphil-laptop> external temperature will probably be the first indicator
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> wb RocketBoy
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[19:12] <Hibby> going well at -26 inside
[19:12] <RocketBoy> I guess they are closer to the equator than we are so the 45mins tihing may not apply
[19:12] <TimZaman> seriously, this is one succesful flight.
[19:12] <TimZaman> i hope it lands on the operahouse
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> just got colder outside :)
[19:13] <RocketBoy> its sunrise is equivalent to being about 500m further west
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : so the stalker gets programmed by putting it on an arduino?
[19:13] <TimZaman> it'd be cool if at the "HORUS" tab it would also show the sensordata next to that altitude graph
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:13] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: you need either a UARTSbee or a FTDI 'breakout' (f.e. from sparkfun)
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> -53
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> still getting colder
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> back to -52 now
[19:14] <Laurenceb> dawn probably about now
[19:14] <TimZaman> RocketBoy: since we can see the blue line where the horizon is..
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> such as this`
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[19:15] <TimZaman> if the sun comes up there, itll come up at the balloon as well, right
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:15] <jcoxon> TimZaman, it'll come up earlier on the balloon
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[19:15] <TimZaman> jcoxon: yeah but i mean, if the sun comes up somewhere on the blue line
[19:15] <Dan-K2VOL> evening all
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
[19:15] <TimZaman> it will also come up at the balloon..?
[19:16] <Laurenceb> should see the balloon start riging
[19:16] <Laurenceb> *rising
[19:16] <RocketBoy> yes
[19:16] <Laurenceb> due to heating
[19:16] <Laurenceb> hopefully it will then pop
[19:16] <RocketBoy> when its sunrise on the blue line
[19:16] <Laurenceb> rather than end up in the ocean
[19:16] <RocketBoy> its sunrise at the balloon
[19:17] <PsionicOz> seems to be rising?
[19:17] <Dan-K2VOL> got one in the air?
[19:17] <fsphil-laptop> very in the air :)
[19:17] <Darkside> same one that was in the air 18 hours ago
[19:17] <Dan-K2VOL> where's it being trcked?
[19:17] <jcoxon> Oz
[19:17] <TimZaman> hahahahaha Darkside are you still awake
[19:17] <Darkside> all over australia
[19:18] <Darkside> yes, yes i am
[19:18] <TimZaman> 'awake'
[19:18] <Darkside> i really should be in bed
[19:18] <Darkside> yes, 'awake' is a good description
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> -53 again
[19:18] <jcoxon> pah that sensor is at the extreme of its range
[19:18] <Darkside> yeah i doubt its accurate
[19:18] <Dan-K2VOL> is it on spacenear.us?
[19:19] <Darkside> yep
[19:19] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, half
[19:19] <jcoxon> we had to clear the first bit
[19:19] <jcoxon> too many points
[19:19] <Dan-K2VOL> ah, it's being very very slow to load for me
[19:19] <Dan-K2VOL> all I see is the base stations
[19:19] <PsionicOz> still too many points !
[19:19] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh frequent telemetry?
[19:20] <PsionicOz> long flight !
[19:20] <Dan-K2VOL> who's flight?
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> darkside
[19:20] <PsionicOz> darkside :)
[19:20] <TimZaman> (& juxta?)
[19:20] <Dan-K2VOL> is there a web page?
[19:20] <Darkside> Dan-K2VOL: its part of th eproject horus flights
[19:20] <TimZaman> http://projecthorus.org/ ?
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : I am a little unsure about the stalker, could I use my Mega anyway?
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> just asking
[19:22] <Matt_soton> Lunar_Lander: considered just putting some velco board ontop of ur mega and wiring up a ntx2 and sd card?
[19:22] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: come on man, again. Make a list of what you want. Then check out how they work. Then one by one hook them up to your mega, and one by one write the code for them, untill everything works. Then send it up. its that simple!
[19:23] <TimZaman> Matt_soton: that, or tape.
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> thanks tim and Matt
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> btw Darkside
[19:23] <fsphil-laptop> ascent rate is increasing
[19:23] <fsphil-laptop> quite fast
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> probably really a good idea not to send out micronut for sale
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. steady at 0.6m/s
[19:24] <jcoxon> here we go
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> 0.8
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[19:24] <daveake> :)
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> oh
[19:24] <Laurenceb> i think this is dawn
[19:24] <TimZaman> says .5?
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> 0.6 again
[19:24] <jcoxon> 19:24
[19:24] <fsphil-laptop> slowing
[19:25] <jcoxon> for the records
[19:25] <russss> you know
[19:25] <Laurenceb> 10 hours float now
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:25] <russss> what would be funny is if this hit the altitude record as well
[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> 0.2m/s
[19:25] <fsphil-laptop> 0
[19:25] <jcoxon> haha
[19:25] <russss> down again
[19:25] <jcoxon> just a oscillation then
[19:25] <russss> gravity waves!
[19:25] <RocketBoy> i guess if the envelope has been sofened
[19:25] <PsionicOz> damn... not a good time to hit the reload button on chrome acidentally
[19:26] <RocketBoy> then it might go higher
[19:26] <RocketBoy> if it hasn't lost too much gas
[19:27] <jcoxon> hmmm perhaps not yet then regarding warming
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> next record is at 20 h 5 m
[19:29] <fsphil> could the temperature and pressure acting like an oscillator? payload rises, gas expands and cools, payload drops, gas contracts and warms
[19:29] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> but you can see the stability
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> it did not change more than 200 m in 10 h
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> that is the good side of a SP
[19:29] <fsphil> the oscillation is tiny yea
[19:30] <RocketBoy> -51
[19:30] <fsphil> should measure the frequency and compare it with a smaller balloon -- I bet it will be a higher frequency
[19:30] <TimZaman> -51 :)
[19:30] <fsphil> -50 now
[19:31] <fsphil> oooh
[19:31] <RocketBoy> we have some data on 1600s
[19:31] <fsphil> c'mon balloon, do something :)
[19:31] <TimZaman> windspeeds decreasing too right
[19:31] <daveake> fsphil that's an interesting thought re the oscillation
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> daveake : yeah
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> and in a ZP you'd have the effect that you spill He on each climb
[19:32] <fsphil> -49c
[19:32] <fsphil> she's definitely warming up
[19:32] <TimZaman> we're pretty lucky to have this in australia with a high radiodensity
[19:32] <TimZaman> -49!
[19:32] <fsphil> and dedicated trackers
[19:33] <fsphil> I never thought I'd say -49 was 'warming up' :)
[19:33] <jcoxon> -48
[19:33] <fsphil> ooooh
[19:33] <Darkside> haha
[19:33] <fsphil> let there be light
[19:33] <PsionicOz> and there was !
[19:33] <fsphil> this would be pretty easy to spot on the ground now
[19:34] <fsphil> anyone in Canberra got a telescope? :)
[19:34] <Darkside> haha
[19:34] <Darkside> someone call up siding springs
[19:34] <TimZaman> lets see when the inside temp drops
[19:34] <RocketBoy> very lucky with the flight path too
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> btw TimZaman a guy on ebay has some vaisala radiosondes, do you think it's worth it to look into the inner workings of one?
[19:34] <TimZaman> indeed
[19:35] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: already done that :P
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:35] <Darkside> i've reverse engineered parts of the RS92-SGPW digital radiosonges
[19:35] <Darkside> sondes*
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:35] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: no.
[19:35] <fsphil> warming a bit quicker now
[19:36] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: less talking more interfacing your sensors with your arduino
[19:36] <TimZaman> brzzzz!!!! -44!
[19:36] <fsphil> 0.7m/s ascent
[19:36] <fsphil> fastest it's been in a while
[19:36] <TimZaman> inside temp -25.. decreasing!
[19:36] <TimZaman> =D
[19:37] <fsphil> 1/1
[19:37] <fsphil> 1.1
[19:37] <fsphil> up we go
[19:37] <TimZaman> but.. is it also colder up there?
[19:37] <TimZaman> 1.3
[19:37] <Laurenceb> going to pop
[19:37] <fsphil> it could be TimZaman
[19:37] <TimZaman> pfeh -42...
[19:37] <Darkside> haha this is awesome
[19:37] <fsphil> need a sensor shaded from the sun
[19:37] <TimZaman> decreasing speed?
[19:38] <Darkside> fsphil: and one that isnt black
[19:38] <fsphil> still oscillating
[19:38] <TimZaman> might have risen a bit too fast =)
[19:38] <TimZaman> indeed
[19:38] <fsphil> lovely jump on the altitude graph :)
[19:39] <fsphil> the view up there would be amazing right now
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[19:39] <TimZaman> how's the weather?
[19:39] <TimZaman> the guy crom canbera probably wishes he had a telescope
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> only -38°C
[19:40] <fsphil> toasty
[19:40] <PsionicOz> the guys in Canbera does have a telescope locked on to his beams (full A
[19:40] <PsionicOz> doh AZ/EL)
[19:40] <TimZaman> !?!
[19:40] <TimZaman> smart guys.
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[19:40] <fsphil> get him out there :)
[19:40] <TimZaman> ooh man look at the graph
[19:40] <TimZaman> it really made a significant sprint
[19:41] <russss> science
[19:41] <fsphil> speeding up again
[19:41] <TimZaman> yep
[19:41] <Steffanx> Booom
[19:41] <TimZaman> ?
[19:41] <Steffanx> :P
[19:41] <TimZaman> no boom
[19:41] <fsphil> not yet
[19:41] <TimZaman> its not even sure if we get a boom in the next few hours
[19:42] <russss> looks like it's going to hit its previous record
[19:42] <TimZaman> or just keeps on drifting
[19:42] <Darkside> nah
[19:42] <russss> it will rise
[19:42] <russss> and it will burst
[19:42] <Darkside> russss: it got up to 38400 earlier
[19:42] <TimZaman> so but.. is the boom really due to the UV eating the latex?
[19:42] <fsphil> that and the stretching
[19:42] <PsionicOz> closer to 38500 but who's counting.
[19:43] <TimZaman> wow man its really getting 'warm' in there
[19:43] <russss> well nobody really knows how much affect UV has on it
[19:43] <russss> but the record is 41km
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[19:43] <Darkside> russss: eh?
[19:43] <russss> the ARHAB record
[19:43] <Darkside> 41km by who?
[19:43] <TimZaman> y
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> PBH
[19:43] <Darkside> 41167 was with a mylar balloon
[19:43] <Darkside> not latex
[19:43] <russss> ah
[19:44] <Darkside> they used a ZP
[19:44] <MrCraig> jcoxon ?
[19:44] <TimZaman> geeeez its almost warmer outside than inside!
[19:44] <Darkside> i've got the highest latex flight
[19:44] <russss> oh right, I remember now
[19:44] <TimZaman> yeah i think mylars should be disqualified
[19:44] <russss> anyhow
[19:44] <russss> point being
[19:44] <fsphil> sunrise actually changed its course
[19:44] <russss> it will burst
[19:44] <fsphil> you can see on the track it turned a bit more north right when it started warming up
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : or get their own class
[19:44] <TimZaman> fsphil true
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> like manned balloons in FAI have
[19:45] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: back to your arduino Ide you!
[19:45] <GW8RAK> I can't find this flight on spacenear.us. Is it on somewhere else?
[19:45] <TimZaman> GW8RAK: wait for it to load
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:45] <Darkside> GW8RAK: wait for it to load
[19:45] <TimZaman> its like >>>10k datapoints
[19:45] <GW8RAK> Is that an echo?
[19:45] <fsphil> GW8RAK: wait ... oh
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[19:45] <GW8RAK> :)
[19:46] <TimZaman> ;)
[19:46] <TimZaman> -24 / -23 !
[19:46] <fsphil> there's a place called "Lost River" on the map
[19:46] <russss> heh
[19:46] <fsphil> love it
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:46] <russss> yeah I am enjoying the place names
[19:46] <PsionicOz> past over the town of "speedkills" while we were chasing it.
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[19:46] <russss> ("Middle Arm"?!)
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> the old maximum was 38496m
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> correction
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> 38406m
[19:47] <TimZaman> External temp dropping?
[19:47] <TimZaman> woooow geez look at the altitude graph
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> I took screenshots already :)
[19:48] <fsphil> internal temp rising
[19:48] <fsphil> external still dropping
[19:50] <Dan-K2VOL> got the whole hackerspace watchin on the big screen here!
[19:50] <fsphil> warming again
[19:50] Action: fsphil waves
[19:50] <Darkside> lol Dan-K2VOL
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:51] <russss> is anyone who's receiving the signal awake?
[19:51] <fsphil> lol
[19:51] <russss> or is everyone going to lose lock if it warms up
[19:51] <Darkside> yeah
[19:51] <Darkside> the VK1 is
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[19:52] <Darkside> hi VK2HRX , VK5FDRK here
[19:52] <TimZaman> ah the payload is getting cosy and warm
[19:52] <PsionicOz> howdy VK2HRX ! VK5ZM
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74mhQyuyELQ
[19:54] <russss> 38km
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:54] <fsphil> 400m to get it's old max
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> 38406 was the first peak
[19:55] <TimZaman> so anyone up for some predictions?
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> just ten minutes to the HiBall duration record
[19:56] <Darkside> i thought that was 22 hours
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yes, HiBall-2
[19:57] <Darkside> oh hiball 6
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> HiBall-6
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:57] <jcoxon> ground sunrise now
[19:57] <fsphil> hehe, a place called "Bland"
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[19:58] <qwebirc74371> test
[19:59] <Darkside> mhmm
[19:59] <fsphil-laptop> pass
[19:59] <Laurenceb> heading inland
[19:59] <qwebirc74371> Looks like sunup happened.
[19:59] <Darkside> yup
[19:59] <russss> I spent 2 hours this afternoon trying to make fldigi work with my 817 on my mac laptop. Come back home, plug it into the Linux desktop, works first time.
[19:59] <russss> :/
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> serial <> usb?
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> hmmpf, it's floating again
[20:01] <russss> yeah I have a USB CAT cable, and it shows up fine as /dev/cu.usbserial on the mac, but no amount of fldigi fiddling would make it talk
[20:01] <RocketBoy> yeah is such a defined entry
[20:01] <RocketBoy> strange
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> tis
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[20:02] <RocketBoy> yo fergus
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[20:02] <russss> I tried forwarding the serial port to a windows VM, and neither fldigi nor ham radio deluxe would talk to it from there either. Moral of the story, use Linux.
[20:03] <Steffanx> No new record
[20:03] <Dan-K2VOL> http://arhab.org/#
[20:03] <russss> this balloon is a tenacious bastard
[20:04] <russss> I like its style
[20:04] <Darkside> damni am falling asleep here
[20:05] <Darkside> been up for almost 24 hours
[20:05] <Dan-K2VOL> stay up darkside!
[20:05] <Laurenceb> warmer outside than inside
[20:05] <Steffanx> Hehe
[20:05] <russss> clearly you should have brought some Club Mate back
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> the HiBall-6 record is surpassed
[20:06] <Laurenceb> looks like its floating again
[20:06] <russss> it's turning round
[20:06] <Demon> Take a flak and shoot that bugger down
[20:06] <TimZaman> its friggin warm though, -13
[20:07] <Steffanx> -24 ..
[20:07] <Steffanx> How the temp can change that fast?
[20:07] <russss> I wonder if the external sensor is iced or something
[20:07] <Dan-K2VOL> might have rotated into the sun
[20:07] <Dan-K2VOL> light
[20:07] <Steffanx> Ah
[20:07] <russss> I would expect it to be spinning faster than that
[20:07] <Steffanx> Ofcourse
[20:08] <Dan-K2VOL> shouldnt' really be spinng after 19 hours of dangling, there's very little relative wind
[20:08] <Laurenceb> coming up to 11 hours float soon
[20:08] <Dan-K2VOL> not spinning fast anyway
[20:08] <russss> yeah it must be
[20:08] <russss> ext temperature went from -25 to -17 in a minute
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> climbing
[20:09] <Demon> How can I access the telemetry data online ?
[20:09] <russss> Demon: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:09] <russss> it will take a while to load
[20:09] <Demon> That's why
[20:10] <fsphil-laptop> going up again
[20:10] <Dan-K2VOL> Got Bill brown on the phone: was this an intentional float? What brand balloon? what size?
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> not intentional
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> Hwoyee
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> 1600 IIRC
[20:10] <fsphil-laptop> 2000g
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> Hwoyee of China Dan-K2VOL
[20:10] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, altitude attempt
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah with a slow ascent
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> and then it went superpressure
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL : tell him it kept within an altitude range of 400 m in 10 h
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> another float
[20:12] <fsphil-laptop> this happened another flight just before it burst
[20:12] <Dan-K2VOL> bill says those balloons are very strong envelopes
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[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> the Hwoyee ones?
[20:14] <Dan-K2VOL> Bill will be joining momentarily via webchat
[20:14] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> compared to Totex/Kaymont?
[20:14] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[20:14] <TimZaman> but we kinda knew from robertharrisons flight that slow ascent is not enough right
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> BILL BILL BILL
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:14] <TimZaman> external temp -8!
[20:15] <daveake> Sun heating the sensor?
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[20:15] <Demon> So, no more slow ascent, right ?
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello wb8elk
[20:15] <Laurenceb> a bit warm outside
[20:15] <TimZaman> daveake: aye
[20:15] <Dan-K2VOL> the text-to-speech from this chatroom is a very nice commentary for Spacenear.us
[20:15] <Laurenceb> Darkside: wake up XD
[20:15] <wb8elk> what's the callsign on the balloon so I can look for it on Spacenear
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> "HORUS"
[20:15] <TimZaman> Dan-K2VOL: what do you use :)?
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL> it's taking a long time to load Bill, give it 3 minutes to load
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL> TimZaman, Adium on OSX, the Alex voice
[20:16] <NigeyS> hey Bill
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[20:16] <wb8elk> Hi All
[20:16] <NigeyS> hey Kev
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : it is nice to see you again
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> sorry that I didn't write you yet about the sensor aspiration
[20:17] <TimZaman> the payload might just be going fullcircle
[20:17] <wb8elk> I've got some of those Hwoyee balloons in....am looking forward to flying them soon
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : and you wanted to send me some Earthwinds material IIRC
[20:17] <Dan-K2VOL> what was launch city/
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> we discussed that at the WhiteStar attempt
[20:18] <TimZaman> adelaide
[20:19] <wb8elk> yes indeed...email me and I'll send some photos of the Earthwinds project
[20:19] <wb8elk> anyone know the average ascent rate of this flight before it hit float?
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> OK :)
[20:19] <wb8elk> and how heavy the payload/
[20:20] <Matt_soton> wb8elk: im processing the raw data into a gpx so u can see the old data
[20:22] <wb8elk> I've been sitting on Spacenear for 10 minutes and it still isn't loaded...but I have a slow internet here on the mountain
[20:23] <fsphil-laptop> yea, takes a while
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> the ascent rate was about 2.5 m/s IIRC
[20:29] <TimZaman> Anyhow..
[20:29] <jcoxon> evening wb8elk
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> 100 m below peak
[20:30] <TimZaman> someone send me a ping when anything happens please
[20:30] <wb8elk> what frequency are they using and format?
[20:31] <wb8elk> by format I mean mode
[20:31] <fsphil-laptop> it's in the title of the tracker, but basically 434.075mhz USB, rtty 300 baud
[20:31] <wb8elk> I can try listening in via an Australian Internet radio
[20:31] <wb8elk> ok....the tracker hasn't loaded in
[20:32] <wb8elk> will give it a try
[20:32] <fsphil-laptop> still? yikes
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[20:32] <wb8elk> The raw data page is filled with several weeks of flight data....that's why it is slow
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[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> 300 baud 425Hz shift 7N1 434.075MHz USB, to be precise :)
[20:34] <jcoxon> wb8elk, oh that doesn't reflect the data on spacenear.us
[20:34] <jcoxon> and the raw data is 18mb large
[20:34] <jcoxon> and most of that is this flight
[20:34] <Dan-K2VOL> telemetry much?
[20:34] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[20:34] <jcoxon> 300baud nearly continously for 20hrs
[20:35] <wb8elk> Hi James...didn't know that....guess it is just the 20 hours of data then?
[20:35] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:35] <jcoxon> we've cleared the map once already
[20:35] <jcoxon> so only half the flight is displayed
[20:36] <wb8elk> nearest internet radio is Sydney....or Brisbane....either one close enough?
[20:36] <jcoxon> sydney
[20:36] <russss> needs some performance improvements ;)
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[20:36] <jcoxon> i've had a listen
[20:36] <jcoxon> can't hear it
[20:36] <russss> creeping up on 38,400
[20:36] <fsphil-laptop> wish my voice synth wouldn't read out the entire quit message :)
[20:37] <wb8elk> looks like someone has been on the Sydney radio listening for it...it was tuned to 434.075
[20:37] <jcoxon> wb8elk, yeah thats me
[20:37] <jcoxon> :-)
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[20:37] <wb8elk> have your heard anything there?
[20:37] <jcoxon> no
[20:37] <wb8elk> either too far or antenna not tuned for 70m
[20:37] <wb8elk> 70cm
[20:38] <wb8elk> I think Brisbane is too far but I'll try it
[20:38] <jcoxon> oh yes
[20:38] <jcoxon> thats very far
[20:40] <wb8elk> yes....and nothing heard there
[20:42] <Demon> Is that balloon still enjoying the view ?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> madness
[20:44] <jcoxon> batteries will be running low
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[20:45] <SpeedEvil> Wow - it's actually heading on a trajectory that if it bursts, it might have quite a lot of population
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> Sunlight is quite dramatic
[20:47] <jcoxon> its like its magnetically drawn
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> it stopped 7 m before the summit
[20:48] <TimZaman> 0C :)
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:49] <Demon> It's sad video Tx can't transmit very far
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday's peak!
[20:49] <Demon> Costs less than 40 $ for Tx and Rx, telemtry data can be sent over it cheaply
[20:50] <Demon> Max range is 2km for 200mw
[20:50] <TimZaman> Demon: on what system?
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[20:50] <Demon> 900mhz
[20:50] <Demon> I have one in my UAV
[20:51] <TimZaman> ah
[20:51] <Demon> Could be useful for search and rescue of the balloon
[20:51] <jcoxon> wb8elk, check email
[20:51] <polycarbonate1> checking in before I leave for work
[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, it's past the peak
[20:55] <jcoxon> curving
[20:55] <Laurenceb> how much battery life?
[20:55] <jcoxon> out to sea it looks like
[20:55] <jcoxon> Laurenceb 21-22hrs predicted
[20:55] <Laurenceb> eek
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[20:57] <Demon> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__13436__900MHZ_1500mW_Tx_Rx_1_3_inch_CCD_Camera_PAL_420TVL.html
[20:57] <Demon> This could have potential for tracking
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[20:57] <Demon> 1500mw'll have enough range
[20:57] <nosebleedKT> hi all
[20:57] <polycarbonate1> what an interesting flight path!
[20:58] <polycarbonate1> Goulburn, hey
[20:58] <fsphil-laptop> interesting, it uses PAL
[20:58] <polycarbonate1> howdy, nosebleedKT
[20:58] <Demon> There's an ntsc version too
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> Demon, a directional antenna on the ground would work wonders on that
[20:59] <Demon> Live feed at that
[20:59] <fsphil-laptop> 1.5W is legal on that band there? that seems a lot
[20:59] <Demon> Well, the ham's not that hard to fetch
[20:59] <Demon> *ham license
[21:00] <Demon> Some manage it with 4 hours of study
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> is 900mhz a ham band though?
[21:00] <Demon> Yes
[21:00] <Demon> Channel 1 only
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> cool
[21:00] <polycarbonate1> fsphil-laptop: those things are perfectly legal for hams
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[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> excellent
[21:00] <polycarbonate1> only for ham
[21:00] <fsphil-laptop> that band isn't available here
[21:00] <Demon> ...chut
[21:01] <Demon> Then get the 5.8, 1.3 or 2.4 version
[21:01] <Demon> (Ghz)
[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> we'd only be able to use 2.4ghz here, and at low power
[21:02] <polycarbonate1> http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AR1849&keywords=sender&form=KEYWORD
[21:02] <RocketBoy> the only licence exempt airborne legal TV in the uk is 10mW at 2.4GHz
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> 10mw .. lower than i thought even
[21:02] <fsphil-laptop> I thought it was 50mw
[21:02] <RocketBoy> I'll check
[21:02] <Demon> Dont buy there
[21:03] <wb8elk> are they sending down battery voltage in the telemetry...also what are the last few telemetry items in the string after the altitude?
[21:03] <Demon> Seriously, 250 $ for the pair ?
[21:03] <fsphil-laptop> "However, the UK market only permits a 10 mW EIRP limit"
[21:03] <fsphil-laptop> wikipedia (yea)
[21:03] <polycarbonate1> Demon: I know
[21:03] <polycarbonate1> just pointing it out though
[21:03] <Demon> Hobbyking's got it all for dirt cheap
[21:03] <polycarbonate1> hehe
[21:03] <Demon> Every RC amateur shops there
[21:03] <wb8elk> 1.5 W on 900 MHz ATV will not get nearly as far as on 434 MHz on a balloon...I've used a 1 W 2.4 GHz ATV on a balloon and with a 3-foot dish and preamp got about 40 miles
[21:04] <Laurenceb> yeah is battery in the telem?
[21:04] <Demon> Lipo battery's prices are just amazing
[21:04] <Laurenceb> we might be running out soon
[21:04] <Demon> 8$ for 2200mah 12.6v
[21:04] <Laurenceb> Demon: not cheap enough for vehicles tho
[21:04] <Laurenceb> oh actually
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[21:04] <Laurenceb> if its that cheap..
[21:04] <polycarbonate1> hmm
[21:04] <Demon> Well, be careful on the storage
[21:05] <Demon> They are quite fragile. They sell different quality standards tough, the latter being the lowest
[21:05] <polycarbonate1> sun's been up for about an hour here
[21:05] <Laurenceb> is there battery voltage in the telemetery?
[21:05] <polycarbonate1> meaning Horus has had an hour and a half of sun
[21:05] <jcoxon> i don't think so Laurenceb
[21:06] <jcoxon> wb8elk, did you get my email?
[21:06] <wb8elk> I'll check James
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[21:07] <RocketBoy> fsphil-laptop: 10mW eirp
[21:07] <fsphil-laptop> yep
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[21:08] <RocketBoy> thats what IR2030 says
[21:08] <fsphil-laptop> no fun at all :)
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[21:09] <RocketBoy> generally the UK regs are a crock
[21:09] <fsphil-laptop> that they arrr
[21:11] <pschulz01> Morning
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[21:11] <Laurenceb> blue mountains does _not_ look like a good place to try and recover
[21:11] <polycarbonate1> morning
[21:11] <polycarbonate1> Laurenceb: why on Earth not? :P
[21:11] <pschulz01> Who's behind XABEN ?
[21:11] <RocketBoy> I was wondering how that cluster balloon guy did ham airborne over france and italy - if its legal then the french and italian ham radio licences allow airborene operation
[21:11] <RocketBoy> me
[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> another surge upwards
[21:11] <pschulz01> RocketBoy: Cool..
[21:12] <pschulz01> Good luck
[21:12] <RocketBoy> why - i'm not clogging up the logs again am i?
[21:12] <polycarbonate1> Laurenceb: might land at Lucas Heights :P
[21:12] <fsphil-laptop> don't see you there
[21:12] <pschulz01> RocketBoy: Just popped up on the tracker..
[21:13] <daveake> Nor here
[21:13] <Demon> So, how many hours left ?
[21:13] <RocketBoy> humm - strange I haven't been running dl-fldigi for some hours
[21:14] <DanielRichman> wb8elk: you asked about the format: it's count,time,lat,lon,alt,speed,sats,temp_int,temp_ext as far as I can tell
[21:14] <polycarbonate1> :|
[21:14] <polycarbonate1> Horus' batteries won't last much longer
[21:14] <pschulz01> bye4now.. (of to work..)
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[21:16] <Demon> The chat will probably go crazy if the balloon ever pops
[21:16] <wb8elk> James...thanks for the email
[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> at this rate I think the payload battery will fail before it pops
[21:16] <fsphil-laptop> though I hope not
[21:17] <polycarbonate1> it will be oh so close
[21:17] <wb8elk> I take it that this doesn't have a vent valve
[21:17] <jcoxon> oh no
[21:17] <Demon> Maybe think of it for the next flight
[21:17] <wb8elk> what's the average current drain....and the mAh and voltage rating on the battery pack?
[21:17] <jcoxon> wb8elk, we've been seeing this issue quite a bit with our high alt flights
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[21:18] <wb8elk> are you all using the new Hwoyee balloons?
[21:18] <jcoxon> its always 37km
[21:18] <jcoxon> wb8elk, pretty much
[21:18] <jcoxon> yeah RocketBoy has been stocking htem in the UK for a while now
[21:18] <wb8elk> where do you get them in the uk?
[21:18] <wb8elk> answered my question
[21:18] <TimZaman> directly from hwoyee
[21:18] <jcoxon> wb8elk, http://www.randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[21:18] <TimZaman> or, more reliable, RocketBoy.
[21:19] <RocketBoy> :-)
[21:19] <wb8elk> I believe that Scientific Sales carry them here in the US
[21:19] <polycarbonate1> :|
[21:19] <polycarbonate1> I have to go to work
[21:19] <fsphil-laptop> noooo
[21:19] <jcoxon> wb8elk, yeah i saw that email on the GPSL list
[21:19] <RocketBoy> wb8elk: yes
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[21:20] <wb8elk> I inflated 2 of the Hwoyee 2000 gram balloons for a TV show as tethered balloons.....a storm came up and we tried to haul one of them to the barn in 35 knot winds behind a pickup truck
[21:20] <jcoxon> wb8elk, this might interest you
[21:20] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/general:flight_data
[21:20] <wb8elk> it bounced off the pasture and was banging all around....but survived until it hit the barbed wire fence....they are very tough balloons
[21:20] <russss> does spacenear.us have a live KML output?
[21:21] <jcoxon> russss, i tihnk it died in the habitat switch over
[21:21] <jcoxon> didn't work for me
[21:21] <russss> yeah I thought there was one once
[21:21] <wb8elk> the balloon neck is not as long as other balloons and the diameter of the neck is very large
[21:21] <russss> if I had any free time I'd help out with it
[21:22] <wb8elk> thanks James...that's a great comparison chart
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : I in fact asked at Hwoyee if they would make a 3000 balloon like Kaymont has
[21:23] <fsphil-laptop> that would float for weeks :p
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> and if they could make a custom 4500
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : because I read about a campaign at the Japanese antarctic station where they flew a cryosampler
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> they used 4500 latex balloons
[21:25] <wb8elk> what did Hwoyee say?
[21:26] <jcoxon> what time was launch in UTC?
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> the didn't answer yet
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> *they
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> and also, I was thinking about automatic cutdowns
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> that would
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> a) prevent the current situation
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> b) get rid of the balloon remains after burst
[21:29] <wb8elk> I've heard that the Hwoyee balloon burst cleanly at the neck and very little comes back according to one group in Indiana....does anyone else have any experience as to how much of the Hwoyee balloons come back after burst?
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy: I think you had that too, right?
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> your hwoyee brought back only the neck
[21:29] <polycarbonate1> Lunar_Lander: Darkside proposed burning through the string
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:29] <polycarbonate1> leaving the entire balloon behind
[21:29] <polycarbonate1> intact
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:30] <wb8elk> I've done cutdowns with nichrome wire.....and our local university uses a Bow Trigger/servo to release the balloon.....
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> that is cutting down before burst
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> that is not the thing
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> the thing is triggering it
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> for a) I propose a timer
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> for b) a accelerometer
[21:31] <RocketBoy> Yeah - I had a clean burst on XABEN16 - but I have had Hwoyes' bring back more balloon too
[21:31] <jcoxon> right - time for sleep
[21:31] <jcoxon> best of luck
[21:31] <jcoxon> i expect this balloon to be down by tomorrow
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[21:31] <RocketBoy> I don't think there is much difference in that regard between Hwoyee and totex
[21:31] <russss> heh
[21:31] <russss> how much battery life is left in this thing?
[21:31] <Matt_soton> the complete track if anyone wants it > http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/horus.gpx
[21:31] <wb8elk> I have an output on my multi-mode transmitter that can be programmed to cutdown based on time aloft, longitude fencing or altitude
[21:32] <polycarbonate1> thanks, Matt_soton
[21:32] <natrium42> hi wb8elk
[21:32] <polycarbonate1> russss: approx 1h
[21:32] <polycarbonate1> tops
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : that is cool
[21:33] <wb8elk> If it's gonna burst this morning, it'll probably happen within 3 to 4 hours of sunrise based on my past floater flights
[21:33] <wb8elk> Hi Alexei
[21:33] <polycarbonate1> yep
[21:33] <russss> hmm, sunrise was about 2 hours ago
[21:33] <polycarbonate1> it's had 2 hours of sun
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[21:34] <polycarbonate1> chances of losing it off th ecoast aren't so bad I don't think
[21:34] <Paradoxial> Hi Lunar_Lander Steffanx
[21:34] <wb8elk> then it's a matter of time before the UV gets to the latex unless Hwoyee has a formulation that resists UV degradation
[21:34] <Steffanx> Paradoxial !
[21:34] <polycarbonate1> oh dear, maybe they do
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> and ozone is a thing also
[21:35] <polycarbonate1> Lunar_Lander: how's ozone affect it?
[21:36] <polycarbonate1> degrade the latx?
[21:36] <Laurenceb> this thing needs to pop soon or itll end up in the sea or run out of battery
[21:36] <polycarbonate1> Laurenceb: it's going to do both was decided last night
[21:36] <Paradoxial> http://www.thcnet.com/downloads/TECHOZONE.pdf
[21:36] <russss> well it'll be trackable out to sea
[21:36] <russss> but the battery will likely give out first
[21:37] <Steffanx> That sucks
[21:37] <Steffanx> No info about the battery somewhere?
[21:37] <polycarbonate1> how much does the GPS draw?
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> yes polycarbonate1
[21:37] <polycarbonate1> could you turn it off after a while, but still transmit a heartbeat for RDF'ing?
[21:38] <russss> I think the radio uses more than the GPS
[21:38] <Steffanx> The battery status is not transmitted?
[21:38] <polycarbonate1> yes, but how far could you extend battery life that way?
[21:39] <russss> some people have tried doing that I think
[21:39] <polycarbonate1> Steffanx: no, not on Micronuts
[21:39] <Steffanx> Ah, that would be useful info imho
[21:39] <russss> one of jcoxon's balloons was recovered using his backup beacon which only transmitted once every 15mins
[21:39] <polycarbonate1> Steffanx: been suggested many times, will be in th enext version
[21:40] <polycarbonate1> russss: yeah, something like that
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> 100km to the ocean
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> 40km/h ground speed. the batteries will be gone by then
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> So a couple of hours.
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> So it needs to burst within a couple of hours to actually hit land
[21:42] <polycarbonate1> s/hours/minutes/
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> unless the wind changes
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> wish this thing would burst before I have to sleep
[21:43] <polycarbonate1> I don't think the batteries have ever been pushed this far before
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> the whole night they were at -25°C
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> Naah - for it to hit the sea with the descent as it is now, it'd need to average about 3m/s down
[21:43] <polycarbonate1> so it's already exeeding Darkside's estimates
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> maybe the low temperature helped
[21:44] <Dan-K2VOL> -25C is ok for energizer lithiums
[21:44] <polycarbonate1> yeah, maybe it helps though
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> So it's got comfortably over an hour it can go, and still land on land.
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> I don't see how the cold ca help - other than self-discharge
[21:44] <Dan-K2VOL> they will deliver 1/2 of normal current at 20C, so they may have run the TX with less power overnight
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Unlikely.
[21:44] <Dan-K2VOL> Likely
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> The voltage will have been regulated constant.
[21:44] <polycarbonate1> Dan-K2VOL: cool
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> The IR^2 losses in the battery go up as more current is drawn, and more total energy is demanded from the battery - load + IR^2
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> WOW
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> it has flown about 1400 km!
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Indeed.
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> if there's a voltage regulator on the TX. what's the TX unit
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> True, I suppose.
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> our HF units ran on raw battery power
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> It was mentioned it was a 25mW unit
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> 25mW 433
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> would be 8th place in the ARHAB distance list
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> I'm stepping away from the channel for some food. betcha it bursts before I get back
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> eat fast phil
[21:48] <Steffanx> You are allowed to eat in front of oyur laptop fsphil-laptop :P
[21:48] <Steffanx> Just for one time
[21:48] <Paradoxial> Seriously. Buy a mini fridge and put it next to your laptop
[21:48] <Paradoxial> Then you'll never have to step away from anything (:
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:49] <polycarbonate1> well, I stepped away to get breakfast
[21:49] <polycarbonate1> missed less than a screenful of IRC
[21:50] <wb8elk> if anyone is copying the signal directly...can you let me know if it's exactly 434.075 MHz USB or whether it has drifted one way or the other
[21:50] <russss> dl-fldigi needs to upload the dial frequency
[21:51] Action: russss backseat-designs
[21:52] <polycarbonate1> russss: +1
[21:53] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Amateur HORUS balloon in AUS, now 21+ hours in the air! http://t.co/ezKJsHK8 http://t.co/8JZkgShy #UKHAS chat: http://t.co/GNlqBTQi [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/115544018003308544]
[21:55] <Laurenceb> 12 hours float
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:55] <polycarbonate1> ooh, it's raining here
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[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> less than an hour to the HiBall-2 record
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> wb8elk : did you do many experiments on your balloons so far? besides amateur radio research I mean
[21:57] <polycarbonate1> no cloud up there
[21:57] <polycarbonate1> http://www.bom.gov.au/gms/IDE00135.201109182030.jpg
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[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> back
[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> awww it's still floating
[22:00] <Paradoxial> That, or it's on a ufo
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> x
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:00] <polycarbonate1> ooh, maybe
[22:01] <fsphil-laptop> coverage of the entire flight has been excellent, the best so far
[22:01] <fsphil-laptop> needs live pictures though *g*
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:02] <Dan-K2VOL> I have to say, I like the names of the towns in Australia. :-) Australians - are they mostly aboriginal origin?
[22:02] <polycarbonate1> many are
[22:03] <Dan-K2VOL> there are a TON of receiving stations, who are all those people?
[22:03] <Dan-K2VOL> in AUS
[22:03] <polycarbonate1> Dan-K2VOL: and the ones that aren't are mostly repeated in every capital city after English monarchy etc
[22:03] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yes
[22:03] <polycarbonate1> Dan-K2VOL: note the receivers are all VKs
[22:04] <wb8elk> mostly working lately with pinhole floaters and vents
[22:04] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, I mean, how in the world did you get all those hams to participate
[22:04] <TimZaman> its gettin hot in there
[22:04] <polycarbonate1> Aussie hams are pretty cool
[22:05] <Dan-K2VOL> is there some sort of mailing list for them?
[22:05] <polycarbonate1> just put out a broadcast saying Adelaide was losing coverage
[22:05] <polycarbonate1> I believe none were used, bu tyeah, there would be one
[22:05] <polycarbonate1> (I'm not a ham, yet)
[22:06] <RocketBoy> look its time to stop all this silliness balloon and get bursting - I want to go to bed
[22:06] <Dan-K2VOL> night steve
[22:06] <polycarbonate1> I don't have a choice, I need to leave for work
[22:06] <polycarbonate1> I'm losing tracking as of ...no
[22:07] <polycarbonate1> *now
[22:07] <Dan-K2VOL> well bravo aussie hams thanks them
[22:07] <Dan-K2VOL> which is you polycarbonate1?
[22:07] <wb8elk> I've tuned up and down on the Sydney Internet radio but don't hear it
[22:07] <fsphil-laptop> Ñ`»
[22:08] <wb8elk> what frequency are you receiving it on?
[22:08] <wb8elk> has it drifted any from 434.075?
[22:08] <polycarbonate1> which is me?
[22:09] <fsphil-laptop> you'd hear it pretty easily I think
[22:10] <Dan-K2VOL> is the KML for spacenear.us not working for anyone else?
[22:10] <russss> Dan-K2VOL: jcoxon said it was broken
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[22:10] <Dan-K2VOL> aww ok
[22:10] <russss> (I couldn't even find it)
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> vents are interesting wb8elk
[22:12] <wb8elk> my latest one is a ping-pong ball that is moved by a servo at the end of a PVC pipe
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[22:13] <wb8elk> the ping pong ball is attached with an internal spring
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:13] <Dan-K2VOL> bill I found the academic paper where they did that for UCAR mylar superpressure balloons
[22:13] <Dan-K2VOL> they used silicone rubber seat BTW
[22:13] <wb8elk> Hi Dan....would like to see that....yep silicone rubber would take the cold
[22:15] <Dan-K2VOL> Here bill: http://bit.ly/oJA173 Characteristics and Performance of Three Low-Cost Superpressure Balloon (Tetroon) Systems
[22:15] <TimZaman> this is a sick flight
[22:15] <Dan-K2VOL> not much detail on the valve, though there is a cutaway view
[22:16] <TimZaman> dan that valve on page 985 looks pretty sweet
[22:18] <Dan-K2VOL> probably very much like what bill has now
[22:20] <Laurenceb> Tr57 timber reserve
[22:20] <Laurenceb> like it
[22:20] <Laurenceb> would be fun if anyone asked where you lived
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> it's climbing once more
[22:21] <pschulz01> Lunar_Lander: In the sun
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[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> it's been in the sun a while now
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> the latex must be weakening
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[22:23] <pschulz01> fsphil-laptop: 2hrs.. looking at the graph.
[22:23] Action: polycarbonate1 is mobile
[22:23] <Dan-K2VOL> I wish we had weather data up that high, I wanted to run hysplit, but that tops out about half that high
[22:23] <Dan-K2VOL> the GFS
[22:23] <Dan-K2VOL> model
[22:25] <polycarbonate1> Adelaide's weather is currently very weird
[22:25] <polycarbonate1> Summer storm just hitt me
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:27] <polycarbonate1> eurgh, computer's getting wwet
[22:27] <fsphil-laptop> eek
[22:28] Action: polycarbonate1 flicks on 134.500 for a forecast
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside : here or in bed?
[22:29] <Demon> Weather gets wierd when we pay attention to it
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[22:30] <wb8elk> anyone currently hearing it in Australia?....if so what frequency are you hearing it on?
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[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> according to spacenear, four people can hear it
[22:31] <wb8elk> yes...that is very similar to my valve design
[22:32] <wb8elk> except that I also have a servo on the outside that kicks the ping pong ball open and close
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[22:32] <Laurenceb> wind is speeding up
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> 10 minutes till HiBall-2
[22:32] <Laurenceb> ive made a valve before
[22:33] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:helium_valve
[22:33] <TimZaman> hey the baloon made a little jump
[22:33] <polycarbonate1> Lunar_Lander: Darkside's in bed
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[22:35] <PsionicOz> OMG it's still up !
[22:35] <TimZaman> i don't see the 'Spirit of Knoxville" in the arhab's?
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> I was going to set my alarm this-morning so I could see the end of this flight :p
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> ascending again
[22:35] <TimZaman> quite amazing batterylife there
[22:36] <Steffann> Hmp,f it takes ages to load the data :(
[22:36] <TimZaman> yeah it is..
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : try the distance list
[22:36] <TimZaman> its going for that record
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> SNOX-IV has the distance record
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:36] <wb8elk> looks like my HiBall-2 record is about to be topped by this flight
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:36] <PsionicOz> Just went inside to have a quick kip... expected to see it on the ground..
[22:36] <TimZaman> yeah but snox ofcourse had a long float time as well
[22:36] <TimZaman> thats not on that list
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:37] <polycarbonate1> I'll have to break contact in 5 mins
[22:38] <polycarbonate1> Darkside: pls 2 SMS on event, kthanx
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> a friend of mine thinks it can beat the 49h duration record
[22:39] <Dan-K2VOL> TimZaman, SNOX-IV is the #2 slot
[22:40] <Dan-K2VOL> UTARC was the group that reformed into SNOX when they were ready to do trans-atlantic
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> in duration yes
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> but in distance it is #1
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> one minute to HiBall-2 record
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> You'll see several UTARC flights in the duration and distance record pages, as they increased the ability of the flights toward trans-atlantic
[22:41] <PsionicOz> what distance does Horus have to beat?
[22:41] <PsionicOz> morning vk5gr !
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> 3,361.81 mi
[22:41] <vk5gr> morning
[22:41] <PsionicOz> yes it is still in the air !
[22:41] <vk5gr> oh my :-)
[22:41] <Steffann> Hmmpf, i'm still loading the data
[22:41] <PsionicOz> It's alive.. ! mmmmuuuuwahhhhhh
[22:42] <Steffann> It's busy with it for 10 min. now :(
[22:42] <PsionicOz> you'll be there loading data for a while.
[22:42] <Dan-K2VOL> get yourself a coffee or tea while that loads
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> HiBall-2 duration record surpassed
[22:42] <Dan-K2VOL> it'll keep up once youve loaded it
[22:42] <PsionicOz> steffann... we knocked 69,000 points out of the DB yesterday...
[22:42] <PsionicOz> vk5gr... she's also gone above yesterdays height of 38,406!
[22:43] <vk5gr> whats the height record now?
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[22:43] <vk5gr> whats the records for length of flight too?
[22:43] <vk5gr> that would be something approaching 1500km as the crow flys from the launch site now
[22:44] <PsionicOz> listening to the traffic it seems this particular flight is up there in a few particular records.. I'm hoping a few of the UK guys here can shed some light on it for us.
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> vk5gr : altitude record is 135,030 ft
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> 41157 m
[22:46] <PsionicOz> thanks.. well short of that... what's the distance and duration records?
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> distance: 3,361.81 mi
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> duration: 49:45 hr
[22:46] <PsionicOz> Sheesh that was a big flight !
[22:47] <vk5gr> ok - well it is probably an australian record at least. it's a pity that the course changed further north and the batteries probably wont last - otherwise in a couple of days it would have made New Zealand
[22:47] <PsionicOz> well I was certainly not expecting to see it still up this morning..
[22:47] <vk5gr> (<grin> - doubt the balloon wouild have survived that long though
[22:48] <PsionicOz> I presume Darkside has gone to bed finally?
[22:48] <vk5gr> guessing so
[22:48] <vk5gr> just woke up - we got home at 3am
[22:49] <vk5gr> after a LONG drive back from swan hill
[22:49] <vk5gr> glad we didnt keep trying to chase it now :-)
[22:49] <shenki> heh. it would have been an even longer night
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> http://arhab.org has flight records
[22:49] <shenki> Darkside was still up at 6am by the looks
[22:49] <shenki> i just sent him a text to let him know it was almost at sydney. im sure he'd have appreciated that
[22:50] <PsionicOz> hey shenki glad you didn't make it ?
[22:50] <shenki> PsionicOz: yeah, this was a good one to miss :)
[22:50] <PsionicOz> well if we had continued to chase instead of coming home at 7pm last night then we'd be in sydney right now.
[22:50] <PsionicOz> We did the 1400kms :)
[22:50] <shenki> hah
[22:50] <vk5gr> aaaawww come on - you would have loved it shenki!
[22:50] <shenki> with the minor problem of having to be in adelaide for work today :)
[22:51] <Laurenceb> lol temperature says I2C
[22:51] <vk5gr> errr actually yeah me too!
[22:51] <PsionicOz> I'm afraid that shenki's been folded up in the back of my lux before.
[22:51] Action: Laurenceb has writing way to much i2c driver code
[22:51] <vk5gr> gonna have to leave for work shortly - would love to see it cross the coast first though
[22:51] <PsionicOz> shenki I'd have gotten you a leave pass :)
[22:52] <shenki> :D
[22:52] <PsionicOz> cross your fingers vk5gr that it does :)
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[22:53] <polycarbonate1> work day is starting
[22:53] <polycarbonate1> bye
[22:53] <Laurenceb> hope the batteries hold out
[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL> by polycarbonate
[22:54] <fsphil-laptop> pushing the max altitude again
[22:55] <Dan-K2VOL> 24 miles high
[22:55] <TimZaman> up she goes
[22:55] <pschulz01> vk5gr: Might still make 40k :-)
[22:55] <TimZaman> :)
[22:56] <fsphil-laptop> next week
[22:56] <Demon> Is there still a car chasing ?
[22:56] <TimZaman> i think the first thingy to happen is either the batteries fail, gravity fails, or the balloon pops. in that order
[22:56] <pschulz01> Demon: If vk5gr leaves now..
[22:56] <TimZaman> Demon: no
[22:57] <pschulz01> Just fley past my mother house in Bowel..
[22:57] <PsionicOz> demon no all the cars came home last night.
[22:58] <pschulz01> How about a distance record?
[22:58] <Demon> Well, float records goes with distance record
[22:58] <PsionicOz> not sure it's got enough gas to go much higher...
[22:59] <daveake> I just put in the last 2 SMS locations of cloud2 into google maps and asked for directions between the points ... it's suggesting the Harwich-Esbjerg ferry :)
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> what does it say if you tell it you're walking?
[23:01] <daveake> "Use caution - This route may be missing sidewalks or pedestrian paths"
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[23:02] <fsphil-laptop> just a bit
[23:02] <daveake> Stays on the ferry :-(. I was hoping it would just draw me a line between the actual points
[23:02] <fsphil-laptop> "This route may contain sharks"
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha
[23:02] <Laurenceb> theres a Port Hacking
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> here daveake http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm
[23:03] <fsphil-laptop> there's been a general but slow upward trend for the last 10 minutes
[23:03] <plantain> I think our only hopes are lord howe island and norfolk island now
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> Getting to the point that it's gonna splash I guess.
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> It's borderlinr right now.
[23:04] <fsphil-laptop> Sydney looks like a mess on the map
[23:04] <fsphil-laptop> spaghetti
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[23:05] <daveake> Dan-K2VOL Says "Not Found" when I enter a point :-(. If I put in my home position in same format it does work
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> just click the map
[23:06] <fsphil-laptop> I'd say a few RX distance records where set today
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> er, yesterday
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> bah, it's monday
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> going up again
[23:07] <fsphil-laptop> pretty fast
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[23:08] <wb8elk> only took an hour for the balloon to finally show up on my Spacenear map
[23:08] <fsphil-laptop> please burst, I need sleep!
[23:08] <vk5gr> next we will start getting UFO sighting reports :-)
[23:08] <fsphil-laptop> spacenear.us wasn't designed for this much telemetry :)
[23:08] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah looks like lower level winds are all eastward
[23:08] <radicalbiscuit> I am blown away by this flight
[23:08] <Dan-K2VOL> balloon is doomed for water now
[23:08] <radicalbiscuit> Just had to sign in and say that :D
[23:09] <Dan-K2VOL> cool radical, where r u from
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[23:09] <radicalbiscuit> I'm from North Carolina, USA, but I'm living in Utah right now
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> -0.4m/s
[23:09] <fsphil-laptop> falling fairly quickly now
[23:09] <Wil5on> got a boat?
[23:10] <radicalbiscuit> Maybe if it stays up long enough, it'll land in my backyard XD
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[23:10] <fsphil-laptop> 11c inside, -11c outside, 11 sats in range
[23:10] <Wil5on> lol
[23:11] <radicalbiscuit> in 2011
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