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[05:24] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/?p=382
[05:24] <Darkside> whee
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[06:51] <UpuWork> morning jcoxon
[06:52] <number10> morning UpuWork
[06:52] <jcoxon> morning
[06:52] <UpuWork> morning No.10
[06:52] <UpuWork> got the mails thx
[06:52] <UpuWork> shall we just go for it anyway ?
[06:53] <jcoxon> yeah sorry - i've been oncall all weekend
[06:53] <jcoxon> though off today
[06:53] <UpuWork> no problems guessed you'd been busy
[06:53] <jcoxon> yeah i think we should
[06:53] <UpuWork> maybe start a little earlier
[06:53] <jcoxon> or should we email the list and say - this is the plan are people happy to pay
[06:54] <UpuWork> ok sounds like a plan
[06:55] <number10> When are you of to the lakes UpuWork
[07:00] <UpuWork> next week
[07:00] <UpuWork> well from Saturday
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[07:02] <number10> Lets hope the weather improves - I am going up the following wednesday
[07:02] <UpuWork> the winds are suppose to die off towards the end of the week
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[07:23] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
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[07:40] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
[07:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
[08:02] <costyn> hello
[08:02] <jcoxon_> hi costyn
[08:02] <costyn> did Tim get his data converted to KML yesterday?
[08:04] <costyn> so yea, can anyone tell me where I can order a NTX2? I've been scouring the web but not finding many webshops
[08:04] <jcoxon_> costyn, the cheapest is to order by telephone direct from radiometrix
[08:05] <jcoxon_> but if not farnell sell them
[08:05] <jcoxon_> usually for about 2x the price
[08:05] <costyn> jcoxon_: hmmm ok, I'll try both options. Farnell have a .nl website which is nice for the shipping and customs and stuff
[08:05] <costyn> (avoiding that I mean :) but if they're that expensive... :)
[08:06] <jcoxon_> but yeah radiometrix don't sell them direct off their website
[08:06] <costyn> jcoxon_: no, I noticed :)
[08:06] <costyn> NTX2 is still the recommended way for getting telemetry right?
[08:07] <jcoxon_> well its one way
[08:07] <jcoxon_> and doesnt require a licence
[08:08] <costyn> sounds like what I want; I don't have a HAM license (yet)
[08:09] <number10> costyn: you could also ask TimZaman when he is in - as he is from nl and may know somewhere local
[08:10] <costyn> number10: good point I will, although he's probably busy analysing all his data :)
[08:10] <costyn> was pretty cool to be able to follow it all online yesterday afternoon
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[08:23] <jcoxon_> how did the flight go?
[08:26] <costyn> jcoxon_: pretty good; 36km altitude; telemetry during the flight was a bit problematic, but we did get to see live pictures every minute, which was pretty cool
[08:27] <jcoxon_> very cool
[08:27] <jcoxon_> oooo a burst image
[08:27] <jcoxon_> that must have been awesome coming through
[08:27] <jcoxon_> costyn, do you have a radio recevier then? to get the telem?
[08:28] <costyn> jcoxon_: no, I was jus following the telemetry which was posted live to the website
[08:29] <costyn> the GPS first reported no altitude, and later stopped reporting position too;fortunately once it landed it was able to send smses with exact location
[08:29] <jcoxon_> backup sms
[08:29] <jcoxon_> excellent
[08:29] Nick change: jcoxon_ -> jcoxon
[08:29] <jcoxon> morning RocketBoy
[08:29] <RocketBoy> mornin
[08:30] <jcoxon> got one of those little radios
[08:30] <jcoxon> but its the newer version
[08:30] <jcoxon> RFM22B
[08:31] <RocketBoy> cool - let me know how you get on with it - hows plans for this week?
[08:32] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, nothing this week i suspect
[08:32] <jcoxon> long weekend on call
[08:32] <jcoxon> so nothing achieved
[08:32] <jcoxon> however
[08:32] <jcoxon> i've made some progress with this radio
[08:32] <jcoxon> its a bit high level for the job
[08:32] <jcoxon> the inbuilt data rates are very fast
[08:32] <RocketBoy> yeah I suspected that
[08:32] <jcoxon> and the chip does most of the work itself
[08:33] <jcoxon> however I've got CW and hell working
[08:33] <jcoxon> by making it do a unmodulated carrier
[08:33] <jcoxon> and turning it on and off
[08:33] <jcoxon> all over SPI
[08:33] <RocketBoy> :-)
[08:34] <jcoxon> its nice that i can choose the freq
[08:34] <jcoxon> and also the power
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[08:35] <costyn> jcoxon: looks like a pretty nice chip; does it have the wattage for high altitude balloon purposes?
[08:36] <jcoxon> costyn, you mean millwattage :-)
[08:36] <jcoxon> yeah it does
[08:36] <jcoxon> however for starting definitely go with the radiometrix ntx2
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[08:36] <costyn> jcoxon: this one kind complicated?
[08:36] <costyn> s/kind/kind of/
[08:36] <jcoxon> well we are playing with it
[08:37] <jcoxon> its actually a bit too advanced for what we want
[08:37] <jcoxon> its to speedy
[08:37] <jcoxon> so the range isn't as good
[08:37] <costyn> it's so cheap with so many features though... :)
[08:37] <jcoxon> you can't do RTTY with it
[08:38] <jcoxon> which was what was used yesterday
[08:38] <costyn> I see
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[08:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
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[08:46] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[09:10] <jcoxon> what are the symptoms of running out of ram on a micro?
[09:13] <daveake> Randomness
[09:13] <daveake> Crashing / rebooting
[09:13] <jcoxon> okeydokey
[09:13] <jcoxon> that sounds like what happening here
[09:14] <daveake> I had this when I added SMS sending to my payload software. The code worked as a stand-alone test, but not when merged in to the main program.
[09:20] <jcoxon> yeah i think its ram issues
[09:20] <jcoxon> might switch to 328
[09:20] <jcoxon> as don't think i can easily get everything to fit
[09:23] <daveake> I wasted half a day trying to get it all to fit. This was an Arduino/328 so I had the option of going for Mega or just using an SMS/GPS tracker. Opted for the latter as it was close to the launch date and therefore a lower risk.
[09:23] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:24] <jcoxon> i think its all the SPI lib which is causing trouble
[09:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
[09:25] <daveake> For me, the SMS added the softwarer serial library plus some buffers for the PDU conversion. Already had SPI, SD and one-wire libraries in there.
[09:25] <daveake> (SPI h/w and software)
[09:25] <jcoxon> i've cut a bit of the library down
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[09:25] <daveake> I did think about doing that, but as I said it was a bit close to launch to be trying too much new stuff
[09:27] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
[09:30] <costyn> I ordered one of these as a backup after landing: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/handheld-portable-mini-gsm-gprs-gps-vehicle-tracker-black-72133
[09:32] <daveake> Same as mine
[09:32] <RocketBoy> These are the GSM trackers I have used - they normally take about 30mins to work out where they are when they get back on the ground - the GPS chipset they use gets confused about gount over 18Km
[09:32] <RocketBoy> going
[09:33] <RocketBoy> they work out where they are eventually though
[09:33] <RocketBoy> (if they are in GSM range by then)
[09:34] <costyn> RocketBoy: hmm that doesn't sound too promising :) well it's only a backup, if the telemetry goes haywire and we have no other option :)
[09:34] <daveake> I think mine was upside down in the box 'cos it never got a GPS lock at all
[09:35] <costyn> daveake: you weren't able to retrieve the payload to verify afterwards?
[09:35] <daveake> In my panic I forgot to check it. It 's been fine, if slow to get a lock, otherwise. Not the best at picking up a weak phone signal.
[09:36] <daveake> Oh, when I retrieved it I was too excited to check that!
[09:36] <costyn> ah :)
[09:36] <daveake> This time the tracker has its own slot in the foam, so it'll be right.
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[09:36] <RocketBoy> yeah - I recon you stand a 50/50 chance if relying on them alone
[09:37] <costyn> good to know
[09:37] <RocketBoy> radio tracking is far more reliable
[09:38] <daveake> My problem was that I had my receiver tuned above not below the Tx frequency, so the signal strength was showing as low and the laptop couldn't decode. So I wnt into panic mode and checked the aerial etc. Then I was a bit late so didn't check everything methodically.
[09:38] <daveake> Wasn't till I got back home and saw the payload being tracked from 200+ miles away that I realised the transmitter was working just fine.
[09:39] <daveake> All worked out well in the end, though, and I'll be more organised this time!
[09:42] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:42] <jcoxon> we've all been there
[09:49] <fsphil> so true :)
[09:49] <jcoxon> grr this ram issue is frustrating
[09:49] <daveake> Comforting to know :)
[09:49] <daveake> :(
[09:49] <daveake> It is. Very.
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[09:50] <costyn> good to read all this... no need to make the same mistakes :)
[09:51] <daveake> Make some new ones instead :)
[09:51] <daveake> Then you have things to fix for your seconds launch.
[09:51] <costyn> exactly :)
[09:52] <daveake> Although mine was successful, in that I retrieved the payload and had video of the entire flight, there was very little I did then that I didn't want to change for next time.
[09:53] <jcoxon> haha
[09:53] <jcoxon> there is a section in the rf22 lib docs about ram crashes
[09:53] <jcoxon> i suspect that its happened to people before
[09:54] <daveake> I did try to get the program to report on free memory, but that's quite tricky and I didn't get it to work.
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[09:55] <daveake> It would be good to get a solution, so I can do the SMS thing from a 328 (Arduino Mini Pro 3V3) instead of using the tracker.
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[10:03] <Elwell> [long shot] anyone recommend a cheap supplier of rfm12b modules *with stock*?
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[10:14] <Josh___> hi guys
[10:15] <Josh___> hope all are well
[10:15] <Josh___> i was just going over my notes for my balloon launch coming up (www.joshingtalk.com) and had a question? i think i know the answer but wanted to double check
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> ?
[10:16] <Josh___> how do you calculate the descent speed of your payload?
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Work out at which speed its drag equals its weight
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Parachute area and cd
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> And then total mass
[10:17] <Josh___> ok so i have a 1000g payload and a 32inch parachute
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.onlinetesting.net/cgi-bin/descent3.3.cgi
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> For example
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> (I have not verified the numbers on this)
[10:19] <Josh___> my mistake, 36inch*
[10:19] <Josh___> thanks SpeedEvil
[10:19] <Josh___> will have a look
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[10:20] <Josh___> great calculator and hopefully fairly accurate
[10:20] <Josh___> thanks for your help
[10:21] <Josh___> I'm hoping to launch on October 1st/2nd from the EARS site!
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> Google for some other calculators
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> and maybe do the calculation by hand
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_drag
[10:23] <Josh___> ah yes, it calculates a descent time of around 87 minutes
[10:23] <Josh___> this seems too long
[10:23] <SpeedEvil> The air starts out _much_ thinner
[10:24] <Josh___> very true, meaning less drag
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> If you compute using sea-level air pressure, then it falls twice as fast at 10km
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> and twice as fast as that at 20km
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> (ballpark)
[10:25] <Josh___> i see
[10:25] <Josh___> thanks
[10:25] <Randomskk> Josh___: for a rough rule of thumb, except a ground level descent rate of about 5m/s :P
[10:25] <Randomskk> expect*
[10:25] <Josh___> excellent, thanks Randomskk
[10:26] <Randomskk> 87 minutes is probably about right for descent time though
[10:26] <Randomskk> I wouldn't think that was too long
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[10:26] <Josh___> right ok
[10:27] <Josh___> my ascent time is looking to be around 86 minutes
[10:27] <Josh___> as well
[10:27] <Randomskk> yea, about right. what burst alt?
[10:27] <Josh___> 29033
[10:28] <Josh___> hmm i would have liked to capture the whole flight in 2 horus
[10:28] <Randomskk> both numbers sound about right to be honest
[10:28] <Randomskk> get more batteries :P
[10:29] <Darkside> Randomskk: has there been any work done on generating a gfs file using the ascent data?
[10:29] <Darkside> from a balloon i mean
[10:29] <Josh___> ermmm....gfs? sorry that could be a bit advanced for me but i'm willing to try it
[10:29] <Randomskk> Darkside: no
[10:29] <Darkside> Josh___: this is something different
[10:30] <Darkside> Randomskk: damn
[10:30] <Josh___> maybe i could shorten the flight time but pumping it with more helium....at what height is it generally recognised that you can see the darkness of space and curvature of the earth?
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb was sort-of-doing-that.
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> But only in his internal on-payload code
[10:30] <Randomskk> Darkside: not really such a thing as a "GFS file" though
[10:30] <Randomskk> there are thoughts about having the new predictor be able to use ascent data as it'l all be talking through the same db so should be easily done
[10:30] <Randomskk> but no work yet
[10:30] <Darkside> Randomskk: oh
[10:30] <Randomskk> Josh___: you'll get pretty pics by 25km or so I guess
[10:31] <Darkside> the 4-balloon launch we have coming up would make good use of that
[10:31] <Josh___> ok thanks
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Josh___: Remember - you need to do the tracking and obtaining the payload - which will take you well over 2h
[10:31] <Darkside> as we'd be able to use the mornings data to predict the afternoons flight path
[10:31] <Darkside> but i guess we can get a better guestimate from the mornings flight anyway, just need to remember the rough wing speeds and where the inversion layers are
[10:31] <Josh___> yes i'm trying to bear that in mind hence a morning launch
[10:32] <Randomskk> Darkside: no one knows how accurate it'd be though - the prediction might be better than four-hour-old data for a different geographic location
[10:32] <Darkside> it would be the same location
[10:33] <Darkside> the idea is launch 2 balloons in the morning, send out 2 chase teams to get those, then once they are collected, launch the next set of balloons from the launch site
[10:33] <Darkside> the current plan is terry stays at the launch site while we go chase
[10:33] <Darkside> then he launches, then goes chasing
[10:34] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/predict/#!/uuid=fd4ffa3569bf3f2935fa6a0a96590d18e55b8d94 prediction for this weekend is looking good
[10:34] <Randomskk> yea but they don't take the same path through the sky
[10:34] <Randomskk> so it won't be exactly the same location
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[10:34] <Darkside> mm
[10:35] <Darkside> i know that
[10:35] <Darkside> so many factors will determine where it lands
[10:35] <Darkside> anyway, this weekend is the record attempt MKII
[10:35] <Darkside> and the first flight of MicroNut
[10:35] <Randomskk> hehe cool, good luck :P
[10:35] <Darkside> though i'm still debating whether to use a micronut or a mininut
[10:36] <Randomskk> for pressure sensor or what?
[10:36] <Darkside> i haven't sorted out the SPI flash issues on the micronut yet, so i might use a mininut for SD card storage
[10:36] <Randomskk> ah
[10:36] <Darkside> i can't seem to get teh flash to write properly
[10:36] <Darkside> i'm going to have to tap the SPI bus to work out whats going on
[10:41] <Josh___> right i'm heading off to build my payload up a bit more
[10:41] <Josh___> thanks for the help guys
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[10:45] <Darkside> hmmmm, the APRS payoad isn't getting GPS lock...
[10:45] <Darkside> which is weird, it was the other day
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[13:07] <WillDuckworth> Just seen the messages about a possible move of the conference, I'm good still
[13:08] <WillDuckworth> is it the Islington Hub?
[13:08] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, yeah
[13:08] <WillDuckworth> cool, it's meant to be quite good
[13:08] <jcoxon> yeah its nice
[13:09] <Dan-K2VOL1> date the same jcoxon?
[13:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:12] <Darkside> ohh guys
[13:12] <Darkside> jcoxon: can you do an updated windows build of dl fldigi
[13:12] <Darkside> i can't get flight data on the build i have
[13:12] <Darkside> and hamlib support is broken
[13:12] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:13] <jcoxon> windows :-)
[13:13] <Darkside> haha
[13:13] <jcoxon> i'll give it a go later
[13:13] <Darkside> this is teh same problem as in the email
[13:13] <Darkside> and yes i did the update data
[13:13] <Darkside> it says it was updated, but i still cant select anything
[13:13] <Darkside> and yes, our chase cars sadly run windows, we need oziexplorer for maps
[13:14] <jcoxon> i blame DanielRichman and Randomskk
[13:14] <jcoxon> only joking
[13:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:14] <Dan-K2VOL1> will will the hub have decent internet?
[13:15] <DanielRichman> oooh crud
[13:15] <Darkside> anyway, my payload is done :-)
[13:15] <Dan-K2VOL1> can't seem to find internet referenced on their site
[13:15] <DanielRichman> oh poo
[13:15] <Darkside> whee
[13:15] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL1, yeah its good
[13:15] <Darkside> i think its about 100g
[13:15] <DanielRichman> this is bad
[13:15] <Darkside> will measure it tomorrow
[13:15] <Darkside> DanielRichman: what?
[13:15] <Dan-K2VOL1> cool jcoxon, thx
[13:15] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: does couch to xml need updating
[13:17] <DanielRichman> I think the 'type' -> 'sensor' change break it...?
[13:17] <DanielRichman> *s
[13:19] <DanielRichman> ... I can try to fix but I'm typing on a phone keyboard.
[13:19] <Randomskk> aha
[13:20] <Randomskk> yea I guess so
[13:20] <Randomskk> this is why functionality tests etc are great haha
[13:20] <Randomskk> okay so
[13:21] <Randomskk> I'm at work and can't login to nessie I don't think
[13:21] <Darkside> Randomskk: also, this weekends launch will be using teh HORUS callsign
[13:21] <Randomskk> anyone with sudo on nessie around?
[13:21] <Darkside> same sentence though
[13:21] <DanielRichman> ok. If you push the change I can oull it
[13:21] <DanielRichman> *p
[13:21] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:22] <Randomskk> oh yea, okay
[13:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Re: Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:23] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: pushed
[13:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
[13:24] <fsphil> hehe, who broke it
[13:25] <Randomskk> we changed the format for flight docs slightly in habitat 0.2, but didn't update the transition script that generates XMLs out of the database :P
[13:27] <daveake> fsphil: I had a play with the crap-o-cam to find out about the power requirements, with the aim of running it from the main batteries. Needs 100mA when on (not necessarily taking a picture); 100mA when taking a photo, or up to 150mA for video.
[13:27] <Darkside> oh jeez i can tell this thing is in airbone mode
[13:27] <Darkside> the altitude is all over the gfucking place
[13:28] <fsphil> more than I'd expect daveake
[13:28] <daveake> Same here. That said, it's a 170mAh battery which lasts 1 hour
[13:29] <daveake> It's happy* running from the voltage of 3 AAAs
[13:29] <Darkside> oh wait i know why this is geting shit lock
[13:29] <Darkside> its upside down
[13:29] <daveake> *no smoke ensued
[13:29] <daveake> Darkside don't they have to be down there?
[13:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> jcoxon I'm adding notes and annotating the PDFs being shared in mendeley, feel free to do the same if you need to
[13:30] <Randomskk> Darkside: so you want me to make a new flight doc for a HORUS callsign that's otherwise identical to current DARKSIDE?
[13:30] <Darkside> uhmmm
[13:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> as long as you open the doc in Mendeley from the GROUPS area, it will share the annotations and notes with others
[13:30] <Darkside> well if i could send data i'd send you the data
[13:30] <Darkside> and give you some sentences to play with
[13:30] <Randomskk> Darkside: can you use /genpayload and make a new flight doc for it?
[13:31] <Randomskk> or do you not know for sure what it'l look like yet?
[13:31] <Darkside> i know for sure
[13:31] <Darkside> i'm not touching this code now
[13:31] <Darkside> hold
[13:31] <Darkside> http://pastebin.com/Lps9ZgE6
[13:32] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL1, will do once i get a free moment - will have a browse
[13:32] <Randomskk> okay but is it the same as DARKSIDE?
[13:32] <Darkside> $$CALLSIGN,SEQUENCENO,TIME,LAT,LOMG,ALT,SPEED,SATS,INT_TEMP,EXT_TEMP*CRC16
[13:32] <Darkside> oh wait, theres ;'s in there
[13:32] <daveake> fsphil: I'll change the camera procedure, so it switches off between sets of shots to save power, and switches off altogether when descending.
[13:32] <Darkside> $$CALLSIGN,SEQUENCENO,TIME,LAT,LOMG,ALT,SPEED,SATS;INT_TEMP;EXT_TEMP*CRC16
[13:32] <Randomskk> okay but is it the same as DARKSIDE
[13:32] <Randomskk> or is it different
[13:33] <Dan-K2VOL1> jcoxon, cool
[13:34] <Randomskk> eroomde: natrium42: rjharrison: jonsowman: UpuWork: ping, anyone around and able to log in to nessie (with sudo)?
[13:34] <Dan-K2VOL1> who else is actively working on superpressure?
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[13:37] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL1, i think i may have a payload light enough for a single 92cm foil balloon
[13:39] <Randomskk> jcoxon: do you have sudo access to nessie?
[13:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> really jcoxon that's awesome
[13:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> reading those papers it's clear that one thing we've been neglecting is the balloon stretch
[13:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> of the mylar
[13:40] <jcoxon> Randomskk, yup
[13:40] <Randomskk> jcoxon: if I give you an ssh key, could you paste it onto the end of /home/adam/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
[13:41] <jcoxon> hmmmm i don't remember my sudo password
[13:42] <fsphil> typical, I do but the machine with my ssh keys for nessie is not switched on
[13:42] <Randomskk> fsphil: yea same problem ;P
[13:43] <Randomskk> think we might have this fixed anyway
[13:43] <Randomskk> in a second
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[13:46] <Randomskk> okay, all fixed
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[13:49] <DanielRichman> fsphil, can you confirm that dlfligi now works (or any other volunteer)?
[13:50] <fsphil> all's good DanielRichman
[13:50] <DanielRichman> tyvm
[13:51] <DanielRichman> bbl
[13:52] <number10> how is the wind over your way fsphil?
[13:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Problem Dl-Fldigi"
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[13:57] <fsphil> number10, not too bad, bit gusty. nothing like what was warned about
[13:57] <fsphil> was worse last night
[14:01] <number10> good - that'll mean we have less here
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[14:06] <NigeyS> is it windy or wat !
[14:06] <Darkside> not here
[14:06] <Darkside> :P
[14:06] <NigeyS> boo no fair!
[14:07] <NigeyS> btw Darkside i haz pcbzzzzz
[14:07] <Darkside> ooh nice
[14:07] <Darkside> got them populated yet?
[14:07] <NigeyS> almost done 1, need to order some sma sockets and some caps
[14:08] <Darkside> ok
[14:09] <NigeyS> they sent 12 btw not 10 :|
[14:09] <Darkside> lol
[14:09] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/6jwhsm
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[14:26] <daveake> Buzz1 comes in at 90g excluding nylon cord and 'chute. Very close to target
[14:26] <Darkside> woah nice
[14:26] <Darkside> what batteries?
[14:26] <daveake> 3 AAAs
[14:27] <Darkside> wow ok
[14:27] <Darkside> that'd be why
[14:27] <daveake> 65mA drain
[14:27] <Darkside> i'm using 4 AAs
[14:27] <daveake> Indeed
[14:27] <daveake> Advantages ot using a nice low-power Lassen ;)
[14:27] <Darkside> hehe
[14:27] <Darkside> well its more that i need a loooong runtime
[14:27] <jcoxon> lassen - advantage
[14:27] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[14:27] <jcoxon> :-)
[14:27] <Darkside> because if this thing floats it could float for a while
[14:28] <jcoxon> time wasted waiting for a lock = considerable
[14:28] <jcoxon> Darkside, high alt float?
[14:28] <daveake> :)
[14:28] <jcoxon> as in just before burst?
[14:28] <Darkside> jcoxon: going for the alt record again on sunday
[14:28] <jcoxon> awesome
[14:28] <Darkside> we may or may not get a float
[14:28] <daveake> Both GPS and processor keep running down to a battery voltage of 3.08V, which is very close to the batteries being completely flat
[14:28] <fsphil> don't get too high, I still want to have a chance at it :p
[14:28] <number10> you need Ed to fill the Balloon Darkside - thats were the skill lies
[14:28] <Darkside> lol
[14:29] <daveake> lol :)
[14:29] <Darkside> we will be able to measure the fill far more ccurately than ed could out in a field
[14:29] <Darkside> as we're filling in a shed
[14:29] <daveake> Weather and CAA permitting, my attempt is Saturday
[14:30] <Darkside> NigeyS: you should be able to program that board as it is
[14:31] <NigeyS> yup,
[14:31] <NigeyS> just no time yet
[14:31] <NigeyS> :(
[14:31] <daveake> Hmmmm .... I know it's a long way away for a prediction, but currently it looks OK for a launch from Cambs, saving my NOTAM for another day ...
[14:31] <NigeyS> cant launch saturday either
[14:31] <NigeyS> not if this wind keeps up
[14:32] <daveake> Supposed* to be settling down for Saturday then picking up again Sunday
[14:32] <fsphil> aim for norway
[14:32] <daveake> * not that the weather people can predict more than an hour away :)
[14:33] <Dan-K2VOL> food luck daveake
[14:33] <Dan-K2VOL> I mean good
[14:33] <NigeyS> food hmm
[14:33] <fsphil> nomnom
[14:33] <daveake> No, no, food works too :)
[14:33] <NigeyS> mcdonalds!
[14:33] <number10> !mcdonalds
[14:34] <daveake> Do they sell food now then?
[14:34] <fsphil> kfc! crispy strips!
[14:34] <Dan-K2VOL> darkside are you flying latex?
[14:34] <NigeyS> but im scared of getting blown away, already had next door come collect their washing thats blown into the garden, and the other next door's tv aerial crashed through her glass conservatory roof earlier lol
[14:34] <Darkside> yep, 2KG Hwoyee
[14:34] <Darkside> its going to be incredibly underfilled
[14:34] <jcoxon> 2kg!
[14:34] <NigeyS> jcoxon !
[14:34] <Darkside> payload weight is around 100g
[14:35] <Darkside> we're going for 3m/s ascent
[14:35] <fsphil> well there goes my attempt at the record ;)
[14:35] <daveake> floppy floopy balloon
[14:35] <Darkside> any slower ascent than 3m/s and we end up in the next state over
[14:35] <Darkside> and while that'd be great for the record, it's not so great for our wallets in terms of fuel
[14:35] Action: fsphil goes for the 'highest balloon launched by someone whos IRC nick begins with f'
[14:35] <daveake> 100g / 1.6kg here
[14:35] <Darkside> daveake: bastard :P you might get it
[14:35] <jcoxon> Darkside, going to be awesome
[14:36] <Darkside> seriously, if you get it the day before i do :P
[14:36] <Darkside> *shakes fist*
[14:36] <Darkside> daveake: yours is going to be a serious contender!
[14:36] <daveake> Well that was my plan all along, till some Aussie *&**^ beat me to it ;)
[14:36] <daveake> Could be the shortest lasting record lol
[14:36] <Darkside> man, maybe i should cut my payload back to AAAs...
[14:36] <daveake> Lasting less than a day
[14:37] <Darkside> it'd drop the weight down to about 60 grams lol
[14:37] <daveake> Don't make me ditch the spaceship ... ;)
[14:37] <Darkside> lol
[14:37] <Darkside> thats going to tumble as it falls you know
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[14:37] <number10> are any of you lot going to register the balloon before hand for the record attempt?
[14:37] <Darkside> oh yeah, our payload weight is going to be more like 150g actually, we're legally obligated to fly a radar reflector
[14:38] <Darkside> number10: nup
[14:38] <Darkside> i cbf
[14:38] <Darkside> :P
[14:38] <number10> lol
[14:38] <daveake> Even if I a-connect to the 'chute via lines going to the edge of the saucer, and 2- hang a weight (model buzz) to the antenna?
[14:38] <Darkside> yeah it'll tumble
[14:38] <Darkside> wait, you have a parachute?
[14:38] <number10> off home
[14:38] <daveake> yes
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[14:38] <Darkside> heh
[14:38] <Darkside> we don't
[14:38] <Darkside> we're using the radar reflector as a parachute :P
[14:38] <daveake> :)
[14:39] <daveake> I have a 14" chute which might just be enough. Backup 24" in case I decide it isn't
[14:40] <daveake> So to fly from one of the Cambs sites, who do I talk nicely to? And which one should I choose .... :)
[14:42] <NigeyS> speak to ed or jon, or Rocketboy if wanting to use Ears
[14:43] <daveake> Cheers. I do have an application in place for a NOTAM here, lasting a few weekends from this one on, but I could just use that for a later launch of my photo payload.
[14:45] <fsphil> this should be an interesting weekend
[14:46] <Darkside> :-)
[14:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Nigel Smart "Re: [UKHAS] Moving venue of conference"
[14:46] <fsphil> Darkside, roughly when are you launching (UTC?)
[14:46] <Darkside> fsphil: 0Z
[14:46] <Darkside> approx
[14:46] <Darkside> 0000 UTC ISH
[14:47] <fsphil> so that would be our saturday night/sunday morning, or sunday night?
[14:47] <Darkside> your saturday night
[14:47] <fsphil> nice, I'll stay up for that
[14:47] <Darkside> :-)
[14:47] <Darkside> it's gonna be a looooong launch though
[14:47] <daveake> So I can expect any record to last approx 14 hours?
[14:47] <Hibby> drunken balloon party!
[14:47] <Darkside> probably 6 hours or so until burst
[14:48] <fsphil> yay! :)
[14:48] <fsphil> yikes
[14:48] <daveake> Gives me a couple more hours of fame then
[14:48] <Darkside> haha
[14:48] <Dan-K2VOL> might want to tie a small foil party balloon on to give it some extra lift off the ground, to burst after a while
[14:48] <daveake> :p
[14:48] <fsphil> I need to put my payload into a serious diet
[14:48] <daveake> How much now?
[14:48] <fsphil> I'm sitting at about 140g, including batteries
[14:49] <fsphil> but I can switch to aaa's, which will get me <100g
[14:49] <daveake> Yep, those are the big factor
[14:49] <Darkside> i don't like using AAAs with long launches
[14:49] <fsphil> but I'd need some way to power down the gps
[14:49] <Darkside> i know my payload will currently past 8 houts off AAAs
[14:49] <Darkside> wheni get the uBlox 6 modules, that time will be extended
[14:49] <daveake> 65mA here, so (at room temp) would be 16 hours
[14:50] <Darkside> uBlox 5 = 130mW, ublox 6 = 35mW
[14:50] <daveake> Ooh, even better
[14:50] <fsphil> nicenice
[14:50] <NigeyS> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/scientists_make_batteries_from_polymer_gel/
[14:50] <NigeyS> while on the subject of batteries
[14:51] <daveake> Next two weights in mine are the UFO (22g) which of course could be reduced somewhat :p, and the camera at 15g
[14:51] <Darkside> heh, my box is 11g
[14:51] <fsphil> I don't have a box ;)
[14:51] <Darkside> :P
[14:51] <Darkside> daveake: camera?
[14:51] <Darkside> :O
[14:51] <Darkside> bastard
[14:51] <daveake> camera
[14:51] <daveake> lol
[14:51] <NigeyS> keychain cam ?
[14:51] <Darkside> oh, keycain cam
[14:51] <daveake> yep
[14:51] <Darkside> nvm :-)
[14:52] <daveake> crap-o-cam
[14:52] <NigeyS> lols
[14:52] <Darkside> i expect that to fail when it goes through the tropopause
[14:52] <Darkside> :P
[14:52] <NigeyS> it might get a lil nippy :P
[14:52] <NigeyS> -70 was it ?
[14:53] <daveake> I can only try
[14:53] <Darkside> NigeyS: i;ve seen -70 and below from the BOM radiosondes
[14:53] <NigeyS> it's hard to imagine just how cold that really is!
[14:53] <daveake> At 15g the risk is worth it, if only to wind up Darkside :p
[14:53] <fsphil> paint it black
[14:53] <Darkside> i see a red door
[14:54] <Darkside> that should be painted black
[14:54] <Darkside> i don't want ANY colours on this door
[14:54] <Darkside> they should all be black dammit
[14:54] <NigeyS> lol
[14:54] <Darkside> freaking girls with their summer clothes
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[14:54] <Darkside> i have to look away, until the anger with in me dissapears
[14:54] <Darkside> >_>
[14:54] <Darkside> <_<
[14:55] <Darkside> anyone following so far
[14:55] <daveake> You lost me at "summer". What's one of those?
[14:55] <Darkside> oh goddamit
[14:55] <Darkside> you've never listened to the rolling stones?
[14:55] <daveake> We seemed to have missed summer this year
[14:55] <Darkside> i'm paraphrasing "Paint it Black" by the Rolling Stones
[14:56] <NigeyS> summer? wtf .. don't swear daveake ! lol
[14:56] <daveake> Yes, I know
[14:56] <daveake> :)
[14:56] <NigeyS> that reminds me...
[14:57] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c&ob=av2n
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[15:03] <s-taylo> Good choice :)
[15:03] <NigeyS> :D
[15:27] <Darkside> I prefer the previous year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGGkn7dYDyc
[15:28] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhR8TBLeKTs&feature=related
[15:28] <NigeyS> there ya go crank up the volume and enjoy :p
[15:29] <Darkside> i'm already listening to DI.FM Vocal Trance :P
[15:29] <Darkside> damn i should get to bed
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[15:30] <NigeyS> bah vocal trance is poo! get some carl cox on that'll keep u awake :)
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[15:35] <Hibby> heheh
[15:35] <Darkside> i don't need to be awake!
[15:35] <Darkside> P
[15:35] <Darkside> :P
[15:35] <Hibby> here, have some pony trance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viTkj0eu-fk
[15:35] <Darkside> i need to be sleeping soon
[15:36] <Hibby> courtesy Darkside
[15:37] <Darkside> :D
[15:37] <Darkside> Fluttershy!
[15:38] <Darkside> <3
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[15:40] <fsphil> yay
[15:40] <mattltm> would anyone who mknows about scopes like to comment on this one for me? http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=IN05705
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[15:43] <Hibby> :)
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[15:43] <Hibby> mattltm: you'll likely find something of similar quality second hand much cheaper
[15:44] <daveake> Those Chinese 'scopes do have rather variable reviews
[15:45] <Randomskk> for a similar price I'd consider something like http://uk.farnell.com/tenma/72-8710/dso-100mhz-2ch-178mm-7-in-screen/dp/1836060
[15:45] <Randomskk> though I say similar price, I'm not sure how to interpret CPC's
[15:45] <Randomskk> at any rate farnell proper have a bigger range of scopes than CPC I think
[15:45] <mattltm> Hibby: Im not allowed to buy second hand :(
[15:46] <daveake> Well if it's someone else's budget then get a Fluke :)
[15:46] <Hibby> hmm... very intersting email about scholarships available at MIT for another year
[15:46] <mattltm> daveake: My budget :(
[15:46] <daveake> Ah
[15:46] <mattltm> Public sector rules :(
[15:47] <mattltm> We wouldn't want us getting the best value for your money now would we?
[15:47] <daveake> What will you be using it for?
[15:47] <mattltm> Its going in the hackspace.
[15:47] <daveake> Ah
[15:48] <daveake> I was going to say that for debugging micro stuff, I find a logic analyser much more useful. But when you need a 'scope, you need a 'scope.
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[16:13] <daveake> Arrggh. Trying to fix a timing error in some PIC code. Couldn't see anything wrong with the code, so a bit stumped. Then I spotted a loose wire (carrying the timing pulse).
[16:14] <daveake> Well that wasted half an hour.
[16:17] <number10> is the pic for your balloon
[16:17] <daveake> Nope. Work.
[16:17] <daveake> Usually I do PC stuff rather than embedded
[16:18] <number10> do you find the
[16:18] <number10> Do find the PC stuff more interesting?
[16:19] <daveake> Embedded more interesting as I don't do it so often! Also I started out in electronics so it's closer to that.
[16:20] <daveake> Dunno if you saw yesterday, but I added to my blog re Buzz - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=108
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[16:21] <number10> no I didn't - I'll take a look
[16:21] <SamSilver> daveake: buzz seems to be missing the alll important blue led
[16:22] <daveake> 3V3 - it was really dim!
[16:22] <daveake> Guess I could add a transistor and run from the battery supply .....
[16:23] <SamSilver> it is not real science unless it has a blue flashing led ( with regards to Bill)
[16:23] <daveake> True
[16:25] <number10> I think you have to go a step further and have a tricolour LED and PWM through various colours
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[16:26] <daveake> (checks LED box) ... could do :)
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[16:32] <number10> some nice photography on your site daveake
[16:33] <daveake> cheers
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[17:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] Re: Problem Dl-Fldigi"
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[18:22] <number10> daveake: where did you buy the scp1000 from?
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[18:39] <Laurenceb> hi all
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[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> NigeyS, http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=009b27901af6ef244e78ae8b948a96496c7f61c9
[19:05] Action: Laurenceb has been fixing showers
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[19:06] <fsphil-laptop> fun
[19:08] <Upu> thats NigeyS's house its going to land on
[19:08] <fsphil-laptop> that would be a good day to launch a floater, or a foil balloon
[19:09] <NigeyS> haha awsome phil, ill go pick it up for ya
[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> maybe if I get the notam on time :)
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[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> lovely
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[19:21] <jcoxon> hehe i've found exactly my ram limit
[19:21] <jcoxon> comment out one thing and it works
[19:21] <jcoxon> one line
[19:21] <DanielRichman> time to optimise!
[19:22] <jcoxon> i've been doing it all day
[19:22] <jcoxon> rewritten the whole library
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[19:22] <jcoxon> to tell the truth i'll need more ram anyway and wll be using a 328 rather than 168 on the final version
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[19:33] <daveake> number10: scp10000 was a Sparkdun breakout board, probably from Proto-Pic
[19:33] <daveake> sparkfun even
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[19:38] <Laurenceb> anyone used chibios here?
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[19:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Peter "[UKHAS] XML HoWest HAB"
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[20:03] <number10> thanks daveake
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[20:15] <Upu> ping Dan-K2VOL
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[20:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] XML HoWest HAB"
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[20:32] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> nifty!
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> oh, radiometrix are involved
[20:35] <Upu> free stuffs
[20:35] <daveake> Looking ood
[20:35] <daveake> good
[20:35] <fsphil-laptop> and oods!
[20:35] <daveake> ood od
[20:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Conference"
[20:36] <Upu> any suggestions for discussion topics appreciated
[20:37] <fsphil-laptop> pico hab'ing, better imaging (filters)
[20:38] <daveake> cutdowns
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> ooh yea
[20:38] <Upu> I'm sure cut downs will come up :)
[20:39] <Upu> * Flight Termination Devices.
[20:39] <Upu> added
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[20:39] <daveake> cool
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[20:41] <Upu> Added live stream danielsaul
[20:41] <Upu> yes should be
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[20:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Howard Smith "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Conference"
[20:44] <fsphil-laptop> oh yes, who's dealing with the finances?
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[20:45] <fsphil-laptop> I'd rather sort that out early, one less thing to worry about that weekend
[20:45] <Upu> jcoxon
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[20:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Conference"
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[20:58] <NigeyS> fsphil-laptop, if we get lost in london it's totally gonna be ure fault :p
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[21:04] <Upu> you relying on fsphil for directions ? Last time he came to the UK he managed to get "somewhere in the peak district"
[21:04] <Upu> good luck
[21:05] <NigeyS> lols
[21:05] <NigeyS> a welsh guy and an irish guy on a trip to london .. it has potential for disaster
[21:07] <Hibby> sounds like 2/3s of a joke
[21:08] <NigeyS> :p
[21:08] <NigeyS> cmon hibby travel down with us gotta have the scottish guy to :p
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> so an englishman, irishman and scotsman walk into a bar
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> "ooch"
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> you forgot the man from Wales
[21:15] <fsphil-laptop> he put the bar there
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:15] <fsphil-laptop> NigeyS, I have actually got lost in london but only once :)
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:17] <fsphil-laptop> of course this was before I learned the secret of finding places in london
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> Venus GPS still showing a steady red LED
[21:17] <fsphil-laptop> ooh it's angry?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> but now the antenna is on the outside, pointing into the southwestern sky
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> it should flash if it gets lock afaik
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> but I found something
[21:18] <fsphil-laptop> I wouldn't trust that, try to get it linke dup to the PC
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> I have an adaptor here that fits the arduino
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> 12 V
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> so that I can take it out
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> serial monitor still shows 24°N, 121°E
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> still taiwan
[21:19] <fsphil-laptop> some antennas need power to work
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> this one was simply screwed onto the port
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:20] <fsphil-laptop> (but likewise some don't -- and putting power into an antenna that doesn't use it can be damaging)
[21:20] <m1x10> tomorrow 2 of the biggest tv channels in greece will come to the exhition to give them interviews but i wont go because i dont find it right to give an interview before i make a flight and get actual pictures
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/177
[21:21] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, yea it's an active antenna
[21:22] <fsphil-laptop> m1x10, exhition?
[21:22] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, I think I have one of those somewhere
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:22] <m1x10> exhibtion
[21:22] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> but it only has only that golden screw port
[21:22] <m1x10> national
[21:23] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, the power is provided through that by the gps unit
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:23] <m1x10> sorry, international
[21:23] <fsphil-laptop> what kind of exhibition m1x10?
[21:25] <m1x10> its general
[21:25] <m1x10> all companies can exhibit their products
[21:25] <m1x10> and the greek robot community accepted my capsule and i took part
[21:26] <m1x10> but i dont want to give interview is such big channels
[21:26] <m1x10> is/in
[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> don't blame you
[21:26] <m1x10> because i personally find it wrong to do it before i make a successful flight
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[21:27] <m1x10> the good point is that some company guys want to try me to work for them
[21:28] <fsphil-laptop> excellent
[21:28] <m1x10> like this on
[21:28] <m1x10> http://www.compucon.gr/
[21:29] <m1x10> its in english
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> the antenna should work with the GPS
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> as both work on 1.56 GHz
[21:29] <fsphil-laptop> have you got the antenna power enabled?
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[21:31] <m1x10> watch this
[21:31] <m1x10> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop, no I didn't do that because I don't know how
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> I show you what I did
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO_Dv6kqn5k
[21:31] <fsphil-laptop> m1x10, can't :) asf is a weird format
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> I used this code to display all output
[21:32] <m1x10> ok, buy all
[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, you're going to have to read the datasheet for the gps module, or find a program for changing the options
[21:32] <fsphil-laptop> I suspect the antenna is basically deaf unless the amplifier is powered up
[21:32] <m1x10> phil: http://imagebin.org/172183
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[21:33] <fsphil-laptop> space is cool
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> I just found a thing here
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> there is a GUI from Skytraq
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> and if I see this right, it could talk through the arduino
[21:36] <fsphil-laptop> depends on how the arduino is setup
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> no that won't work
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> I think I have to try it with the FT232 breakout
[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> likely
[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> what voltage do you run the gps at?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> 3.3V, as this is written on the breakout
[21:38] <fsphil-laptop> perfect
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> could I use the arduino as a power supply?
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> I mean, it has a 3.3V and a 5V pin
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> and then connect this to the breadboard power rails
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> depends how much current the 3.3v rail can deliver
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> I'm not sure
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> but I found a way to power the arduino
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> I have an adaptor that gives 12 V
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> which is the upper recommended limit
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> 12v to 3.3v is a bit drop :) there's going to be heat :)
[21:42] <Hibby> "not very much" is the output current of the 3.3v rail
[21:42] <Hibby> it's 50mA or less, IIRC
[21:43] <Hibby> as it won't power an FSA-03 properly
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> oh eck
[21:43] <Hibby> it's really pitiful
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> i mean they write that the arduino can be powered with up to 21 V
[21:44] Action: Hibby pushes power supply, chip and regulator method again
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> no, 20 V
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> "Input Voltage (limits) 6-20V"
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> so it would be better to make a power supply with a voltage regulator on the breadboard?
[21:45] <fsphil-laptop> my regulator gets hot at 12v -> 3.3v, so I use a 5v supply
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> but that is the chip only
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> arduino needs at least 7 V
[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> what voltage do you run your gps module at?
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> 3.3 V
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[21:46] <fsphil-laptop> from the arduino board?
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> that, or not powering the antenna, are probably what's causing you trouble
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> or both
[21:48] <Hibby> i could get my gps alive using the arduino board
[21:48] <Hibby> but it wouldn't drive the current to send it into mode(x) to get a lock beyond the time
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> but on the balloon it would need to run with the arduino
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> as I can't fly with it and a laptop
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:50] <natrium42> hello herr lunar lander
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[21:52] <natrium42> alles in ordnung?
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> ja, danke
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> und selbst?
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> Hibby , fsphil-laptop
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> according to the GUI it can at least see satellites
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> satellites 1, 4 and 17
[21:54] <natrium42> auch
[21:54] <natrium42> when are you launching, Lunar_Lander?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> when the system is integrated
[21:54] <jcoxon> evening natrium42
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> the SD is not done for example
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> OK, the GUI really can't talk via the arduino
[21:55] <natrium42> hi dr. jcoxon
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[21:56] <natrium42> good news about the ukhas conference
[21:56] <natrium42> are you attending, Lunar_Lander?
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> no, sorry
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> it is October 17, right?
[21:56] <jcoxon> 15
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> got an exam on exactly that day
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but I still need to remain here
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> sorry :(
[21:57] <jcoxon> we'll record it
[21:57] <jcoxon> and stream it
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:57] <natrium42> awesome :)
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> record= DVD?
[21:57] <Randomskk> hey Darkside Hibby http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/09/my-little-pony-season-two-clip/
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:58] <jcoxon> shall i do a proper talk on pico habbing?
[21:58] <jcoxon> would people be interested?
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yes!
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> as this is the only way to beat PBH
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : will try the FT232 later
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> Hibby : you were right about the 50 mA from the 3.3V pin
[22:00] <fsphil-laptop> Randomskk, sounds like Q from star-trek
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[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon : will there be a conference DVD?
[22:03] <fsphil-laptop> Randomskk, haha it is. I'm such a nerd
[22:03] <Randomskk> haha oh no
[22:03] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, it'll be online i suspect
[22:03] <Hibby> Randomskk: saw it
[22:03] <Hibby> fsphil-laptop: it is
[22:03] <Hibby> according to reddit's /r/mylittlepony
[22:04] <Hibby> Randomskk: thanks for the thought :)
[22:04] <fsphil-laptop> yep :) he's voicing Discord
[22:04] <Hibby> rainbowdash Network is all abuzz with it
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:05] <Randomskk> Hibby: I figured you'd all already know, but whatever :P
[22:05] <Hibby> heheh
[22:05] <Hibby> 'cmon, I've got an alter ego on a pony social network ;)
[22:07] <Hibby> if it's happening in the hooved world, I'm on top of it
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[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42 : what are you up to?
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[22:42] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: starting work soon
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[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> is it 1:53 pm at your place?
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[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello NigeyS Dan-K2VOL RocketBoy
[23:41] <Dan-K2VOL> hi
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[23:42] <RocketBoy> yo
[23:47] <NigeyS> wth people are awake :O
[23:47] <NigeyS> hey kev, dan, steve :)
[23:47] <Dan-K2VOL> hey
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> I think I found something important out
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> after hanging the antenna out in the storm now
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> the Skytraq Venus has a GUI for communicating with it
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> but that doesn't work across the arduino
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> so I will try the FT232 and then try to get some data into the GPS
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> at least it seems to be able to see satellites
[23:51] <Dan-K2VOL> hm
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> because the GUI has options like "Cold Start" "Hot Start" and also "Get Ephemeris"
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[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> and I think the last thing is important
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think NigeyS RocketBoy?
[23:53] <NigeyS> err.. hit it with a hammer :)
[23:54] <NigeyS> ffs why oh why do people insist on storing user uploads and attachments in a forum database :@ !!!!!!
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:56] <NigeyS> MyISAM latin1_swedish_ci 2.3 GiB 1.6 MiB
[23:56] <NigeyS> just kill me now
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[23:57] Action: Lunar_Lander gives NigeyS grape juice
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