highaltitude.log.20110911

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[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> Sensor time!
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[02:01] <Lunar_Lander> gn8
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[06:45] <daveake> I hate the GS407.
[06:45] <daveake> Stupid little thing
[06:46] <daveake> Or more precisely, the breakout board for it. Please the socket on the breakoutboard isn't fixed down at all, so it takes very and has very thin tracks, so it takes almost nothing tobreak the thing.
[06:46] <daveake> Less breakout more break.
[06:47] <daveake> s/please/Because
[06:47] <daveake> Ended up soldering directly to the GS407, which with my dodgy eyesight wasn't too easy.
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[07:13] <Upu> morning
[07:13] <daveake> morning
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[07:13] <BalHare> hi
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[07:17] <daveake> Compard to the GS407 (UBlox 5), I'm beginning to like my Lassen, which uses less power, doesn't need a config every time it's powered up, and is mechanically much more robust.
[07:18] <Upu> when Tim wakes up I've cleared the tracker
[07:19] <Upu> should be fun , 1200 baud at 450km @ 10mW ...
[07:19] <Upu> anyone taking bets ?
[07:19] <daveake> On how many decodes?
[07:20] <daveake> None
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[07:22] <daveake> Hope I'm wrong though
[07:22] <Upu> think I'll be struggling @ 600 baud to be honest
[07:22] <Upu> anyway we'll see
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[07:23] <daveake> btw did I see that the conf has a larger venue now?
[07:23] <Upu> yes when I get chance to speak to James I'll send a mail around
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[07:23] <Upu> its going to cost us a little more money
[07:23] <daveake> cool
[07:23] <daveake> The O2 I presume? ;)
[07:23] <daveake> No problem
[07:23] <Upu> haha
[07:24] <Upu> next year maybe
[07:24] <daveake> :)
[07:24] <Upu> As soon as I speak to James I'll announce it properly
[07:24] <daveake> excellent
[07:27] <Upu> but there is extra space now
[07:27] <Upu> so we can actually take more people
[07:28] <daveake> How many in the list now?
[07:28] <Upu> 32 ?
[07:28] <daveake> I guess that's a pretty high percentage of people active hereabouts
[07:29] <Upu> actually a few people I've not seen on here
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[07:55] <BalHare> bbl
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[07:57] <Eric___> Test
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[07:59] <TimZaman> fsphil fsphil-laptop no bother cleaning up the images: otherwise it will show hadie's pictures, and people will think its already up :)
[08:00] <Upu> morning Tim
[08:00] <Upu> tracker cleared for you
[08:00] <Upu> afk a little
[08:00] <TimZaman> Upu thanks a million i saw that
[08:03] <fsphil-laptop> all ready to go?
[08:03] <TimZaman> i guess
[08:03] <TimZaman> gps no lock tghough
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[08:04] <TimZaman> oh welli guess its a matter of time
[08:04] <TimZaman> oh crap it doesnt have a date or timefix either
[08:05] <daveake> Low battery?
[08:06] <TimZaman> nah
[08:06] <daveake> I'm sure these things have a "proximity to launch" detector
[08:06] <TimZaman> plenty of juice
[08:06] <TimZaman> daveake: well in my first launch i had the opposite
[08:07] <TimZaman> falcom fsa03 didnt work for a whole day. then at launch, blink, worked. didnt matter then, because i had already installed two gps systems
[08:07] <TimZaman> i have got that now.. though i'd like to know where it is with the telemetry
[08:07] <daveake> :)
[08:07] <fsphil-laptop> any wires near the antenna?
[08:07] <fsphil-laptop> that can mess up reception
[08:08] <daveake> I had some fun earlier with a GS407. It has a tiny connector so I bought the breakout board. Which broke.
[08:08] <Darkside> woo, micronut does APRS :D
[08:08] <Darkside> with effectively no modification
[08:08] <daveake> The connector on the breakout board is held down by nothing but some very thing PCB tracks.
[08:08] <daveake> Which broke when I dropped it
[08:09] <Darkside> gps.h:32: error: variable or field 'sendUBX' declared void
[08:09] <Darkside> grr what the hell
[08:09] <daveake> It is a void
[08:09] <Darkside> and?
[08:09] <Darkside> void sendUBX(uint8_t *MSG, uint8_t len);
[08:09] <Darkside> thats th eline
[08:09] <daveake> so I don't know why the compiler is complaining
[08:10] <daveake> Usually any wierdness like that is a missing brace above
[08:11] Action: The-Compiler complains
[08:11] <The-Compiler> :o
[08:12] <Darkside> i think uint8_t isn't declared
[08:12] <daveake> Try int8? BYTE?
[08:13] <TimZaman> okay got a timelock
[08:13] <fsphil-laptop> stdint.h not included?
[08:14] <daveake> Could be, though I thought it was a standard type these days
[08:14] <daveake> But I think you're right :)
[08:15] <fsphil-laptop> I wish it was the standard
[08:17] <Darkside> yeah fixed it
[08:17] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: how long does a pic take on 300 baud?
[08:17] <Darkside> and how long would it take at 1200 baud continous
[08:19] <fsphil-laptop> um. about 4 minutes on average at 300 baud, when mixed with telemetry
[08:19] <fsphil-laptop> depends on how much detail is in it
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[08:19] <fsphil-laptop> at 1200 baud about 1 minute
[08:19] <fsphil-laptop> logically :)
[08:20] <fsphil-laptop> that's a 320x240 image
[08:20] <fsphil-laptop> the size can be anything divisible by 16
[08:27] <Darkside> ok
[08:27] <Darkside> cool
[08:28] <Darkside> well, we might be able to do continuous 1200 baud soon
[08:28] <Darkside> it does APRS fine
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[08:34] <fsphil-laptop> pwm?
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[08:54] <Darkside> yes fsphil-laptop
[08:54] <Darkside> its using the trackuino code
[08:54] <TimZaman> still no lock :s
[08:54] <TimZaman> Darkside: im doing 1200bd today
[08:54] <Darkside> cool
[08:54] <TimZaman> 10x(320x240)@600bd, 1x(800x600)@1200bd
[08:54] <TimZaman> its a testflight
[08:54] <TimZaman> just to see if its feasable
[08:55] <TimZaman> ladies and gentlemen
[08:55] <TimZaman> We've got lock
[08:55] <TimZaman> but its not sending the lock..
[08:56] <fsphil-laptop> if you get time can you record the signal you receive
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[09:08] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, "Eric" on the spacenear.us tracker, friend of yours?
[09:09] <fsphil-laptop> oooh there's two extra stations in holland
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[09:10] <TimZaman> im doing my best
[09:10] <TimZaman> anyhow im off!!!
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[09:57] <Eric___> Just joining. Status ?
[10:04] <fsphil-laptop> all quiet atm
[10:04] <fsphil-laptop> you tracking tim's launch?
[10:09] <Eric___> I will try to do that. Living near the expected landingsite
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solar-Evacuated-Mini-Tube-Oven-Power-sun-/120733016830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1c3fa2fe - how to keep your payloads warm.
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[10:20] <fsphil-laptop> Eric___, your coordinates in the map seem to be wrong. it's showing you of the coast of africa :)
[10:22] <daveake> Maybe he's going for the distance record? ;)
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[10:25] <Upu> morning SpikeUK
[10:28] <fsphil-laptop> ah, there's a balloon on the tracker
[10:28] <SpikeUK> Upu 'ning!
[10:28] <Upu> hey Spike just an update we are looking at another location
[10:29] <SpikeUK> Other than the 35GBP per hour location? Or still that one near Kings Cross?
[10:30] <Upu> that one but its more expensive as its a Saturday
[10:30] <Upu> just waiting on jcoxon to appear so we can decide if its viable
[10:30] <Upu> we can fit 50 people in this one though
[10:31] <fsphil-laptop> ooh, receiving images of a field
[10:31] <Upu> whats the link fsphil to the SSTV ?
[10:32] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[10:32] <fsphil-laptop> just going to clear the old images now
[10:32] <Upu> Eric___ you about ?
[10:32] <SpikeUK> Upu - I'll start a budget spreadsheet and shar it with you and jcoxon
[10:33] <Upu> ok no problems let me send you these mails
[10:33] <Upu> snet
[10:33] <Upu> sent even
[10:33] <fsphil-laptop> grey skies on holland too
[10:34] <fsphil-laptop> in*
[10:34] <Upu> at least its working :)
[10:34] <Upu> lets hope the shift doesn't go nuts on this one
[10:35] <Upu> ok afk a few mins
[10:35] <Pappnase> hey are there only life pictures or is there a video too?
[10:36] <fsphil-laptop> just the pictures I think
[10:36] <Pappnase> ok
[10:37] <fsphil-laptop> not sure what that last picture is of
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[10:39] <fsphil-laptop> it's away? but not reporting altitude
[10:40] <GW8RAK> Morning. Is XABEN also flying today?
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> err
[10:41] <fsphil-laptop> yea, just about to ask the same
[10:41] <GW8RAK> Time is wrong
[10:41] <Pappnase> in most of the pictures there are grey parts like it's not loading correctly
[10:41] <Pappnase> is this normal
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[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> Pappnase, grey parts are where the data is missing. bad reception, or radio not tuned
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> they should be updating though
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> either the payload isn't transmitting or the receiver isn't uploading
[10:42] <Pappnase> a ok
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> ack
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/
[10:42] <fsphil-laptop> the person uploading hasn't selected the payload correctly :)
[10:44] <fsphil-laptop> quick hack, should be working now
[10:45] <Upu> PA3WEG : PD4TA,68,12:43:57,52.0438,4.4711,0,8,,0*1AF8
[10:45] <Upu> no altitude ?
[10:45] <fsphil-laptop> nope
[10:45] <fsphil-laptop> hasn't been since launch
[10:45] <Upu> err
[10:45] <Upu> why ?
[10:46] <fsphil-laptop> a very good question :)
[10:46] <Upu> this should be fun then :)
[10:46] <Upu> its got a cut away on that as well
[10:46] <Upu> bye bye phone :)
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[10:46] <fsphil-laptop> eek!
[10:46] <Eric___> I'm back again.
[10:46] <fsphil-laptop> forgot about that
[10:46] <Upu> hey Eric___
[10:46] <Upu> you're location is wrong on the map
[10:47] <Upu> you appear to be off Africa
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> woo, that was a full image
[10:47] <Eric___> Yea looking at it right now
[10:47] <Upu> ok so assume he has got 5m/s
[10:47] <Upu> going to be ...
[10:47] <fsphil-laptop> the coordinates bit can have both a minus and N/S or E/W
[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> but ideally you only want to use one format
[10:48] <fsphil-laptop> if that makes sense
[10:48] <Upu> about 13.30 before I can hear it at best
[10:49] <fsphil-laptop> with the high baud rate I doubt I'd even see the signal on the waterfall
[10:49] <fsphil-laptop> telemetry stopped ... must be sending a 1200 baud image
[10:50] <fsphil-laptop> and it's back
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[10:50] <TimZaman> HAHAHA
[10:50] <Upu> lol
[10:50] <Upu> you are doing the lowest flight ever at the moment
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[10:50] <fsphil-laptop> either it's trailing along the ground TimZaman, or you've forgotten something :)
[10:50] <Upu> wheres the altitude Tim ?
[10:51] <Upu> pictures would suggest its far from trailing :)
[10:52] <fsphil-laptop> it's inside the cloud!
[10:52] <Upu> Rigth I'm going to walk the dog
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[10:53] <fsphil-laptop> multiple receivers now
[10:53] <fsphil-laptop> this is a thick cloud
[10:54] <TimZaman> sattelites dont seem to work
[10:55] <TimZaman> i mean
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[10:55] <TimZaman> altitude doesnt work
[10:55] <TimZaman> bat$v doesnt work
[10:55] <TimZaman> doesnt matter
[10:55] <Upu> TimZaman
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[10:56] <Upu> is the data coming from the payload mssing the altitude?
[10:56] <fsphil-laptop> I see a hint of sky
[10:56] <Upu> its not just a XML error or something ?
[10:56] <fsphil-laptop> is the raw data missing the altitude too?
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[10:58] <fsphil-laptop> I'd have thought it would be above that cloud by now
[11:00] <TimZaman> yeah its weird
[11:00] <TimZaman> fsphil dont know
[11:00] <fsphil-laptop> there's a hint of blue in that last one
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[11:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1487271 - neat - the designer of those air-fish is posting to a thread about them
[11:03] <fsphil-laptop> this is where having ssh access to a payload would be handy :)
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[11:06] <fsphil-laptop> it's like the auto levels are not working
[11:07] <costyn> is the altitude on Tim's balloon 0 because there are not enough satelites in the gps-fix for a 3d fix? (n00b question. :)
[11:08] <fsphil-laptop> we suspect the gps is reporting altitude ok, but there's a bug in the script that reads it or creates the telemetry string
[11:09] <costyn> ah ok, shame
[11:09] <fsphil-laptop> the last image is showing some sky at last
[11:09] <costyn> excellent
[11:10] <fsphil-laptop> that must have been a huge cloud
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[11:10] <fsphil-laptop> oh yea
[11:10] <costyn> what is the speed over ground?
[11:11] <GW8RAK> Looking good
[11:11] <fsphil-laptop> not sure
[11:13] <daveake> Only in Holland could a balloon fly at that altitude
[11:14] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: meteo luchtvaart says CB's upto 10,000ft, so maybe it just got out of a big CB
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[11:14] <fsphil-laptop> my rough calculations say it's doing 87.7km/h
[11:15] <fsphil-laptop> that would make sense costyn
[11:15] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: that is fast :)
[11:16] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: meteo says 70 - 90 km/h at 10,000ft
[11:17] <fsphil-laptop> oh, spot on
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[11:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.semefab.co.uk/en/components/mems-pressure-sensors.aspx hmm
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> UK differential pressure sensor maker that does down to 10mB
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[11:21] <costyn> seems there a white spot on the lens upper left?
[11:22] <costyn> some frost maybe?
[11:22] <fsphil-laptop> I think it's the edge of the box
[11:23] <costyn> is frost/condensation a problem usually? or not?
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[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> it can be
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[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> it seems to happen if the camera is enclosed behind a window
[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> the trapped moisture condenses on the cold window
[11:25] <costyn> good to know. Some friends and I want to launch a balloon beginning of next year or so; we're still in a very early fase of the project
[11:25] <fsphil-laptop> the max altitude jumped up to 2m - that rules out my theory :)
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[11:26] <TimZaman> fsphil the camera is in the open
[11:27] <costyn> TimZaman: how will you know when it's landed if you're not getting any altitude readings?
[11:27] <Eric___> I'm having troubles decoding the data with my Comtell 216 receiver
[11:27] <fsphil-laptop> are you hearing it at all Eric___?
[11:27] <Eric___> Still able to track via the website though
[11:28] <Eric___> Yes good signaal beeps on 434.655
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[11:28] <fsphil-laptop> in dl-fldigi, make sure the SQL button is not selected
[11:29] <fsphil-laptop> and make sure you've selected the PD4TA payload and pressed 'autoconfigure'
[11:29] <Eric___> Done all that
[11:29] <fsphil-laptop> try pressing the Rv button
[11:30] <fsphil-laptop> the images will appear as gibberish text, but lots of it
[11:30] <TimZaman> fsphil 1200 baud doenst work sorry
[11:30] <fsphil-laptop> I think it's doing 1200 now so you won't decode anything
[11:30] <fsphil-laptop> any idea what's happening TimZaman?
[11:30] <TimZaman> now at 1200baud but doesnt work
[11:31] <Eric___> Tried both 600 and 1200 unsuccesfully
[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> I'd stick with 600 baud
[11:31] <fsphil-laptop> 1200 was a bit of an experiment, I guess the range is just too great to decode
[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> it's back on 600 now
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[11:32] <fsphil-laptop> sun beam
[11:34] <fsphil-laptop> I wonder if a filter would have helped with stopping the over-exposure - but then would have risked fogging up
[11:34] <TimZaman> well the signal is brilliant
[11:34] <TimZaman> fsphil next time i take a proper camera
[11:35] <fsphil-laptop> I think this is the highest a logitech has ever went
[11:36] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: hehe :)
[11:36] <TimZaman> cutdown should occur any minute
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> there seems to be a glitch on the ssdv live page, if the images stop updating just refresh
[11:36] <TimZaman> fldigi isnt very stable
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> burst?
[11:37] <Eric___> Are you guy's followiing the balloon by car ?
[11:37] <costyn> gonna need a boat again?
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[11:37] <TimZaman> Eric___ no were driving when it touces down
[11:38] <Eric___> Ok, when it's near my location I will go there as well 'to guard' it
[11:39] <fsphil-laptop> strange not knowing the altitude
[11:39] <Eric___> If that's ok with you
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[11:41] <TimZaman> Eric that would be really cool!
[11:42] <TimZaman> fsphil why burst?
[11:42] <fsphil-laptop> oh you said it was unstable, thought you meant the signal
[11:42] <TimZaman> oh no
[11:42] <TimZaman> it has shutdown 4 times or something
[11:43] <TimZaman> man, the cutdown is at 52.7, and its at 52.67 for 10 minutes now
[11:44] <fsphil-laptop> no longitude limit?
[11:46] <Upu> I think I can hear it
[11:46] <Upu> 434.656.75
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[11:47] <Upu> yep I can hear it
[11:47] <Upu> partial strings
[11:47] <fsphil-laptop> oh wow
[11:47] <fsphil-laptop> are you running the test version or the stable release Upu?
[11:47] <Upu> Rޠ2,$PDA,305<q3:4:54,%"6x6,5.3,,9,<0*G!5D
[11:47] <Upu> stable
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[11:48] <Upu> #! XT ONC @ 600BAUD,CXLE >/qp !!
[11:48] <Upu> OW sENDING`AT 608 BAU`!
[11:48] <Upu> afk for 15
[11:48] <fsphil-laptop> how cool is that
[11:49] <costyn> any idea of the approximate altitude (estimates from simulations)?
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> for Upu to receive it, it needs to be at about 25km I think
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> likely higher
[11:50] <costyn> where is Upu?
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[11:51] <fsphil-laptop> 2E0UPU on the map, north england
[11:51] <costyn> weird how it was really speeding along at first and now is barely going anywhere
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> directly over the bridge/road
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> not really a bridge
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[11:54] <fsphil-laptop> We went across that on a bus once, very very weird seeing water all around
[11:55] <fsphil-laptop> oh, 1200 baud data!
[11:56] <costyn> cool!
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[11:57] <fsphil-laptop> still below the cut-down line
[11:57] <fsphil-laptop> er
[11:57] <costyn> its on the move again... woa
[11:58] <fsphil-laptop> that isn't good
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[11:58] <costyn> why?
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[11:58] <fsphil-laptop> without accurate location, recovery becomes a lot more difficult
[11:59] <costyn> ah
[11:59] <fsphil-laptop> I think the phone is a backup, so there's that
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> gps has stopped updating
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[12:00] <tim> haha
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[12:00] <tim> i think there is a software error :P)
[12:00] <fsphil-laptop> wasn't me :)
[12:00] Nick change: tim -> TimZaman
[12:01] <TimZaman> possible burst?
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[12:01] <fsphil-laptop> might explain it
[12:01] <costyn> so you're still recieving data but no gps data any more?
[12:01] <TimZaman> well..
[12:01] <TimZaman> dunno
[12:02] <fsphil-laptop> gps data looks stuck
[12:02] <fsphil-laptop> the signal normally sounds very wobbly, or wooshy, when it bursts
[12:02] <fsphil-laptop> image still has the sun up and the earth down
[12:03] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, some 1200 baud data was received earlier
[12:04] <TimZaman> nope no burst yet
[12:04] <TimZaman> fsphil, indeed
[12:04] <TimZaman> have to talk to him how he did it
[12:04] <TimZaman> i cant pull that off
[12:04] <TimZaman> another one comming up!
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[12:04] <TimZaman> after this image, there is a 1200bd comming up
[12:04] <fsphil-laptop> all I can suggest is make sure it's centred on 1500
[12:05] <TimZaman> k
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> are you using the funcube dongle?
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> oooh
[12:06] <TimZaman> WE GOT IT
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> there you go
[12:06] <TimZaman> 1200baud 800x600
[12:06] <fsphil-laptop> this is very cool
[12:06] <TimZaman> centerd it at 1500 EXACTLY
[12:07] <TimZaman> very important
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> there's very little margin for error with a 2800Hz bandwidth :)
[12:07] <fsphil-laptop> you're still at the launch site?
[12:08] <TimZaman> OK gps is broken
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[12:08] <fsphil-laptop> got a backup?
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[12:09] <costyn> any idea why it broke?
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[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:10] <fsphil-laptop> hiya Lunar_Lander
[12:10] <fsphil-laptop> ooh more sun
[12:10] <fsphil-laptop> sky's nice and dark now
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> is the balloon aloft or landed?
[12:10] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: very cool
[12:10] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: still up
[12:11] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: http://www.timzaman.nl/?page_id=1332&lang=en
[12:11] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: gps is broken, but still pictures coming in
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah because of that it shows Altitude = 3m?
[12:11] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: that was from the start; no new gps data coming in at all now
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay picture stream works!
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> that is not so good :S
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> but I can tell you
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[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> last night I did my first ever GPS try
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> now it still doesn't have lock and thinks it's still in Taiwan
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[12:13] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: were you outside?
[12:14] <costyn> cool pictures in the feed
[12:14] <Lunar_Lander> I'm in my room
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> above me is the roof
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> but it might be a good idea to try to get outside
[12:15] <fsphil-laptop> or at least near a window
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> it has to download the "epidermis" or so first, right?
[12:15] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: usually roofs aren't very good for GPS fixes; try it outside, should start working within a minute
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> the window is about 1.5 m to the left of it
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:16] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: try putting it on the window sill, might work
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[12:16] <fsphil-laptop> oh love that last picture
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> but at least the Bosch pressure sensor and the temperature sensor work
[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:16] <fsphil-laptop> it's like the earth is being attacked by a giant solar laser :)
[12:17] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: hehe :)
[12:17] <fsphil-laptop> the horizon is showing some curvature, wonder if that's a lens effect
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[12:19] <costyn> big pic o yea
[12:19] <fsphil-laptop> love it
[12:20] <fsphil-laptop> take that SSTV :)
[12:21] <Upu> 1200 baud ?
[12:21] <costyn> save as...
[12:21] <fsphil-laptop> yea!
[12:21] <costyn> :)
[12:21] <Upu> wow
[12:21] <fsphil-laptop> can't believe that works lol
[12:21] <Upu> I am getting this
[12:21] <fsphil-laptop> are you decoding images?
[12:22] <fsphil-laptop> back to 600 now
[12:22] <fsphil-laptop> that sky is very dark now, aaagh wish I knew the altitude
[12:22] <Upu> not decoding anything
[12:22] <TimZaman> =) yeah i wish to know it too
[12:22] <TimZaman> 1200 baud Hellll Yeah!
[12:23] <Upu> the lines are clear
[12:23] <Upu> ish
[12:23] <costyn> TimZaman: do you have a backup gps doing tracklogging?
[12:23] <fsphil-laptop> Upu, can you record it please
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[12:23] <Upu> and I am getting partial but its not decoding
[12:23] <Upu> yes sorry capturing now
[12:23] <TimZaman> Upu veeery cool
[12:24] <Upu> 434.656.820 dial
[12:24] <Upu> $,PD4TA,34w,13:%7:4y,.65v7l5.087f3,0*83D&î\
[12:24] <Upu> any fine tuning I can do to assist with decode fsphil ?
[12:24] <fsphil-laptop> M0DTS would handle this fine :)
[12:24] <fsphil-laptop> Upu, other than keeping it centered at 1500 not much
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> Upu can receive the balloon?
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> you could try shifting the rtty bandwidth
[12:25] <TimZaman> hey phiil what do you think of my algo :)
[12:25] <TimZaman> all pictures are technically pretty good
[12:25] <Upu> yep I can hear it just can't decode
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> sometimes a narrower bandwidth will help
[12:25] <Upu> centered on 1500
[12:25] <TimZaman> im at 434.656.71
[12:25] <fsphil-laptop> it's working well TimZaman -- how many pictures is it testing?
[12:26] <Upu> DONE WENDYNG AT 600 AU#!! NEX ON @200BAUD CYCLE 6o10Ac!
[12:26] <fsphil-laptop> I hate it when people wendy at 600 au :)
[12:26] <Upu> haha
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> burst !
[12:27] <TimZaman> BUUUURST
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> I see balloon
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> or bits of it
[12:27] <Upu> lol
[12:27] <fsphil-laptop> sweeeet
[12:27] <TimZaman> hahahahahahahahahaha
[12:28] <fsphil-laptop> here's hoping the gps recovers on the way down
[12:28] <TimZaman> :)
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[12:28] <Upu> I'm starting the "50 baud society" promoting the use of 50 baud at all launches
[12:29] <fsphil-laptop> lolo
[12:29] <fsphil-laptop> -o
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[12:29] <Upu> whens it go back to 600 ?
[12:29] <fsphil-laptop> it's at it now
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:29] <Upu> sure ?
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> my GPS still tells me I am in taiwan
[12:30] <costyn> woa... was that a picture of the burst?
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> I think it only switchs to 1200 baud for the big images
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> costyn, yep :)
[12:30] <costyn> ?2011-09-11--13-27-02-PD4TA-5F.jpeg
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> is costyn a friend of Tim?
[12:30] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: nope never met him :)
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[12:30] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: interested 3rd party
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:30] <fsphil-laptop> I was lucky to photo some bits of balloon on my last flight :)
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> where are you from?
[12:30] <Eric___> Great pic of the burst !
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah!
[12:31] <Upu> still doing a picture ?
[12:31] <TimZaman> epic burst picture
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> yep
[12:31] <fsphil-laptop> 1200 baud image now
[12:31] <Eric___> Any changes of getting the GPS data back ?
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> it's possible, has happened before
[12:32] <Upu> 1200 baud is just noise to me
[12:32] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I'm from NL, just like TimZaman
[12:32] <costyn> and fsphil-laptop I'm ugessing :)
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> <-- N.Ireland :)
[12:32] <Upu> does sound kinda cool though
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:32] <fsphil-laptop> you can hear it, that's cool
[12:33] <fsphil-laptop> next time I hope the weather is better, I'm definitely getting the yagis up the mountain
[12:33] <fsphil-laptop> back to 600 now
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[12:34] <fsphil-laptop> see this is where I went wrong, I stopped sending images after burst
[12:35] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: where are you from?
[12:35] <costyn> we HAVE GPS!
[12:35] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, you might have been able to receive this launch
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> yes!
[12:36] <costyn> still above the lake
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> it'll make it across
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> let me try the Yaesu
[12:36] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: if it catches some of that high wind on the way down yea
[12:36] <fsphil-laptop> probably descented too far now
[12:37] <Upu> loosing it here
[12:37] <Upu> not that I had it anyway :)
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> close enough
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> with a yagi or pre-amp that would have worked
[12:37] <Lunar_Lander> what do I need to have on the display of the FT-790?
[12:37] <Lunar_Lander> now I can see there 4.0776.6
[12:37] <Lunar_Lander> (only one seven)
[12:37] <fsphil-laptop> 4.653.0
[12:38] <Upu> nothing here
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> it's higher than that I think
[12:38] <costyn> hmm it was just one gps fix
[12:38] <fsphil-laptop> in USB mode it should sound more like noise than normal rtty
[12:38] <costyn> lets hope we get some more
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[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> on 4.654.0 I can get a "dit-dit" sound
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[12:39] <fsphil-laptop> that's likely nearby
[12:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeh
[12:40] <Lunar_Lander> S-Meter is below 1
[12:40] <fsphil-laptop> this 600 baud is working well, very little packet loss
[12:41] <Upu> you receiving there fsphil ?
[12:41] Action: costyn wonder how long the descent is going to take
[12:41] <fsphil-laptop> nothing at all
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> 30-40 minutes typically
[12:42] <fsphil-laptop> I only got fragments of text from the 300 baud cambridge launch, so I wasn't expecting anything
[12:44] <fsphil-laptop> it looks like it's near those clouds again
[12:44] <fsphil-laptop> if true, it's falling really fast
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[12:45] <fsphil-laptop> yea, all grey now
[12:45] <costyn> hmm
[12:45] <costyn> clouds would mean 10,000ft already
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[12:45] <fsphil-laptop> 3km approx
[12:46] <costyn> yea sorry :)
[12:46] <fsphil-laptop> that can't be right
[12:46] <fsphil-laptop> wonder if we'll get an image of the ground, might be able to identify the location
[12:46] <costyn> heh
[12:46] <costyn> probably not at that resolution
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> yea
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> unless there's a bit of coastline in it
[12:47] <costyn> lets hope he can call/sms his gps module and get a fix once it's landed
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> gps is back
[12:47] <costyn> heey... cool
[12:47] <costyn> no water landing
[12:47] <costyn> that's good news
[12:47] <fsphil-laptop> nice fields
[12:48] <costyn> although holland has a *lot* of water, at least it's not gonna be a big body of water
[12:48] <fsphil-laptop> tim's first launch landed in the lake
[12:48] <costyn> man it's gonna be a long drive for the team... at least 2 hours
[12:48] <Eric___> Quite close where I live ;)
[12:48] <costyn> Eric___: ah good
[12:48] <costyn> Eric___: you can start looking for it I guess :)
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[12:48] <fsphil-laptop> still not decoding Eric___ ?
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[12:49] <Eric___> No, Comtell was unable (no SSB -stupid) and second scanner problems with power input...
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[12:49] <fsphil-laptop> aaah
[12:50] <fsphil-laptop> yea it won't work in FM mode
[12:50] <Eric___> I will try to get a bearing with my yagi in a minute
[12:50] <Eric___> signal rock solid now.
[12:50] <fsphil-laptop> if it wasn't so cloudy I bet you could see it
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[12:52] <costyn> fsphil-laptop: clouds are low; probably not going to exit clouds before 500 or 600 meters
[12:53] <fsphil-laptop> hah. 1200 still sorta working
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[12:54] <fsphil-laptop> oh wassat
[12:54] <fsphil-laptop> incoming ground
[12:56] <fsphil-laptop> can't explain that image
[12:56] <costyn> lens is fogged up
[12:56] <fsphil-laptop> indeed
[12:56] <fsphil-laptop> can't see the box anymore
[12:57] <fsphil-laptop> another gps fix
[12:57] <costyn> yea
[12:57] <costyn> weird how its working so intermittently
[12:57] <fsphil-laptop> heading towards buildings
[12:57] <fsphil-laptop> and small rivers
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[12:57] <Eric___> Do you think it's on the ground beacuse i still have signal
[12:57] <TimZaman> reception VERY faint
[12:58] <fsphil-laptop> stopped receiving telemetry
[12:58] <fsphil-laptop> Eric___, if not it's very near it now
[12:58] <TimZaman> no textmessage yet
[12:58] <costyn> Eric___: how far is that from you?
[12:58] <TimZaman> it could also be rebooting..
[12:59] <fsphil-laptop> bad timing if it is :)
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander> it just jumped from Lemmer to Heerenveen on the map
[12:59] <fsphil-laptop> eeu, trees
[13:00] <fsphil-laptop> guessing it's on the ground now
[13:01] <TimZaman> TEXTMESSAGE
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> is it near Heerenveen?
[13:01] <TimZaman> GPSACP 130051 5258.025N,00554.3762E,1.8,-12,3,199,0.1,0.05,110911,05
[13:02] <Eric___> I still have signal and the last fix is 1km west of my position. I will go there and search with yagi and reveiver
[13:02] <TimZaman> oh good
[13:02] <TimZaman> it gives a position in the north sea
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[13:03] <TimZaman> phil
[13:03] <TimZaman> check your mail
[13:03] <TimZaman> please input in server if it seems correct
[13:03] <Eric___> I was standing on my roof a feq minutes ago and heared it in westerly direction which is ok with the last GPS fix
[13:04] <Eric___> few minutes
[13:04] <costyn> anyways, good luck guys. I gotta go, life calls... gotta go shopping :(
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> hope to see you again costyn
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:05] <costyn> I'll be back on this channel sometime.
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:05] <Eric___> Tim: if you have any update on the gps please contact me at: eric.de.jong att upcmail.nl
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder if the people in NL could receive my balloon when it flies
[13:05] <costyn> cya
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> cu costyn
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[13:06] <TimZaman> anyone here?
[13:06] <Eric___> yes eric
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[13:06] <Eric___> I will go to the last fix in a munite
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[13:06] <TimZaman> via sms:
[13:06] <TimZaman> ($GPSACP: 130230.000,5258.0261N,00554.3712E,1.8,-13.3,3,178.15,0.36,0.19,110911,05)
[13:08] <Eric___> Is that the last position ?
[13:09] <TimZaman> can someone PLEAse translate $GPSACP: 130723.000,5258.0314N,00554.3714E,1.8,16.6,3,9.19,0.86,0.46,110911,0
[13:09] <TimZaman> to something sensible
[13:09] <TimZaman> $GPSACP: 130723.000,5258.0314N,00554.3714E,1.8,16.6,3,9.19,0.86,0.46,110911,05
[13:09] <TimZaman> PLEASE
[13:09] <costyn> TimZaman: 52.580261N,5.543712E doesn't make much sense, that's a while away (sorry still here)
[13:10] <Eric___> 52 58.0261N 005 54.3712E
[13:10] <Eric___> Put his line in Google maps
[13:10] <TimZaman> its DDMM.MMMM
[13:10] <Eric___> and the outcome is in Heerenveen. I will go there now
[13:10] <TimZaman> AHAHAHAHA
[13:10] <TimZaman> eric
[13:10] <TimZaman> hahaha
[13:10] <TimZaman> eric whats your cellphone nr
[13:10] <Eric___> tim what's you mobile number ? Could you email it to me ?
[13:10] <Eric___> I will gice it by email
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[13:13] <TimZaman> ill call
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[13:21] <fsphil-laptop> back now
[13:21] <fsphil-laptop> typical I miss all the drama :)
[13:21] <TimZaman> anyway
[13:21] <TimZaman> Eric lives close, about 300meters
[13:21] <TimZaman> GPS is alive and responding (the GM862)
[13:22] <TimZaman> i can request positions
[13:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[13:22] <fsphil-laptop> is that last position accurate?
[13:23] <fsphil-laptop> I'll see if I can add it to the map
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[13:26] <TimZaman> sorry yeah
[13:27] <TimZaman> fsphil this is definitve
[13:27] <TimZaman> 52 58.0245N 005 54.3772E
[13:27] <TimZaman> eric is seeing it visually
[13:27] <TimZaman> its on the roof of a military building
[13:27] <costyn> TimZaman: oh noes!
[13:27] <TimZaman> he is taking a picture of it as we speak
[13:27] <TimZaman> it's allright, people from Friesland are fine
[13:28] <fsphil-laptop> satellite photo takes it from the roof of a ...
[13:28] <fsphil-laptop> ah you beat me :)
[13:28] <costyn> TimZaman: think you are going to be able retrieve it today?
[13:28] <TimZaman> costyn, if not today then tomorrow
[13:28] <TimZaman> fsphil, it IS on the roof
[13:28] <TimZaman> actually
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[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> right in the middle too
[13:29] <fsphil-laptop> nice aim :)
[13:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
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[13:34] <fsphil-laptop> I've added the sms position manually
[13:34] <TimZaman> fsphil can you add the coordinates?
[13:34] <TimZaman> thanks a million
[13:35] <fsphil-laptop> amazing flight
[13:35] <TimZaman> indeed
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[13:39] <fsphil-laptop> wonder what kind of military building, and have they been placed on alert? :)
[13:39] <TimZaman> allright everyone can reach me via my email or cellphone
[13:39] <TimZaman> everyone should know my email
[13:39] <TimZaman> timbobel > gmail
[13:39] <TimZaman> its a medical facility
[13:39] <TimZaman> eric has worked there!
[13:39] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[13:39] <fsphil-laptop> no worries then :)
[13:39] <TimZaman> okay im gone, contact via email or cell plz
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[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : stillt there
[13:50] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[13:50] <fsphil-laptop> aye
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[13:51] <Lunar_Lander> the One-Wire example code works
[13:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:51] <fsphil-laptop> yay!
[13:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> R=28 FA 26 57 3 0 0 7D Device is a DS18B20 family device.
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> P=1 79 1 4B 46 7F FF 7 10 A CRC=A
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> 23.56
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> No more addresses.
[13:52] <fsphil-laptop> i've not tried 1-wire yet
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> when I put my finger on the sensor, the temperature reading increases
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> so seems to work
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[13:54] <Lunar_Lander> the pressure sensor was a greater pain though fsphil-laptop
[13:54] <Lunar_Lander> I had the data lines on Pin 8 and 9 of the arduino, as shown in the "Wiring Example" on sparkfun and no data was being transmitted
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> then I found by chance that those are only good for the Wiring board, and on Arduino the sensor goes into A4 and A5
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> and then it worked well :)
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[14:10] <fsphil-laptop> silly internet
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[14:15] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. my server has gone walkies
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[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : as I said the pressure sensor works also
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[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi nickolai
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[14:42] <BalHare> Hi smea welcome back
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[14:43] <BalHare> was it somthing I said?
[14:43] <BalHare> ;)
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi BalHare
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> are you new?
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[14:48] <TimZaman> ahahaha phil
[14:48] <TimZaman> fsphil did your site crash?
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[14:50] <TimZaman> anyone
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[14:52] <Hibby> isup.me might help
[14:52] <Hibby> :)
[14:52] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: 15:15 < fsphil-laptop> hmm.. my server has gone walkies
[14:53] <TimZaman> DanielRichman: omg and i asked him "do you have decent hosting"
[14:53] <TimZaman> he says Yes
[14:53] <TimZaman> i actually donated some cash to him -that he still hasnt accepted- to share in hosting fees
[14:53] <TimZaman> since i saw this comming
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman do you want to hear the good news?
[14:56] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: I doubt that his server has crashed under the load of viewers
[14:57] <DanielRichman> it's probably something that he can't help like a power or network failure
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> I need to work out a shell server.
[14:59] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: whats the good news
[15:00] <TimZaman> payload is obtained btw
[15:00] <TimZaman> *payload is in the hands of "Eric___"* that lives in Heerenveen
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:00] <TimZaman> getting it tonight
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[15:00] <TimZaman> Also, 1200baud, works
[15:01] <TimZaman> fsphil has bumped DanielRichman from my throne of HAB respect ;)
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[15:01] <TimZaman> thanks everyone, by the way.
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[15:11] <Upu> before I smash my PC up in a fit of rage does anyone know how to copy stuff between Eagle schematics
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[15:11] <Upu> I mean its not exactly pushing the boat out to expect an implemented cut and paste...
[15:12] <DanielRichman> I vaguely recall being able to do it but I'm not 100% sure
[15:13] <DanielRichman> I think you can open one, select some stuff, then on the left hand side there's a copy tool... if you use that, then close and open the next scematic you might (?) be able to paste into it?
[15:13] <Upu> hmm lemmie try
[15:13] <DanielRichman> ctrl-c and ctrl-v certainly don't exist
[15:13] <DanielRichman> but there was copy/paste within a document atleast. Might work across documents...
[15:13] <DanielRichman> try cpypasting within a document first
[15:15] <Upu> yeah that works but if you try it to another eagle window it says paste buffer empty
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[15:15] <DanielRichman> try using the same eagle window, closing and opening another doc?
[15:15] <Upu> found a google thing I'll try that
[15:16] <Upu> cheers for the help but it probably isn't going to work
[15:17] <Upu> I'll redo the library from scratch when I can be bothered
[15:18] <DanielRichman> D:
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[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> damn shit
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> I got a question
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> what is a good voltage for arduino?
[15:20] <BrainDamage> for the board power supply connector?
[15:21] <BrainDamage> there's an on-board regulator, something from 7 to 15 V I'd say
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:21] <BrainDamage> for the bare chip: 3.3-5V
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> because I am just looking at battery holders
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> a battery holder for 4x AA is good?
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> because that should be 6 V
[15:21] <BrainDamage> you're stretching out a bit the regulator in that case
[15:22] <BrainDamage> the supply voltage for the chip will be 5V
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:22] <BrainDamage> the regulator will want 1-2V across it
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:22] <BrainDamage> depends on the actual regulator
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> so one more battery?
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> 7.5 V?
[15:22] <Hibby> 9V batteries have worked nicely in my experience
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> then we use that :)
[15:23] <Hibby> I'm the kind of person that will run an arduino board barebones with just a 5v regulator
[15:23] <Hibby> maybe a crystal if I'm feeling exciting
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:24] <Hibby> I think our kids ran anywhere between a 9v battery and 6xAAs for the ardunios
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:24] <BrainDamage> tbh the whole "arduino board" concept is a bit of excessive
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[15:24] <BrainDamage> in the end, it's just a micro + usb<->serial adapter
[15:24] <Hibby> the board is purely programmming and prototyping in my opinion
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[15:24] <BrainDamage> exactly
[15:25] <BrainDamage> you can live with just the chip in 80% of the cases
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:25] <Hibby> and pure chips are much cheaper than buying new board
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> I think the future really is in a dedicated PCB
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> like m1x10 has
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> or robert harrison
[15:25] <Hibby> heheh, yeah.
[15:25] <BrainDamage> you can buy perf boards
[15:25] <BrainDamage> and solder there
[15:25] <Hibby> Arduino Shields drive me mad too... encouraging folks to buy the boards :/
[15:25] <BrainDamage> so you won't need a pcblayout either
[15:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:26] <Hibby> but I'm a snob
[15:27] <BrainDamage> I don't think it's being snobbish, I think it's overkill what they do
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I mean
[15:27] <BrainDamage> when they never learn how stuff work, and just connect stuff together :/
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> the Mega/Mega 2560 is nice and big
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> but it's mostly plugging in
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> I have wondered how to avoid cable salad in the payload box
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> and how to mount down sensors securely
[15:28] <Hibby> definately a dedicated board
[15:28] <Hibby> makes life much easier
[15:28] <Hibby> not that difficult either, imo.
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:28] <BrainDamage> http://www.westfloridacomponents.com/mm5/graphics/perf-board2.jpg
[15:28] <BrainDamage> solder everything on one of those
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> but I think that won't happen before Flight 1 :(
[15:28] <BrainDamage> cut to size
[15:28] <Eric___> Back again. Just recovered the HHH3
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:28] <BrainDamage> and you're done
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> those I know
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool Eric___
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> but you need to construct what would be the etched traces on the back of it, right?=
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> solder wires on it
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> and so on
[15:31] <BrainDamage> yes, you solder wires to the pads
[15:31] <BrainDamage> and components too
[15:31] <BrainDamage> but it will be much more sturdy than flying wires
[15:31] <BrainDamage> and lighter too, having everything on the same board
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> definately
[15:32] <Eric___> I'm off for today. Tim will come by tonight to retreive the 'box'.
[15:32] <Eric___> see ya
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> cu Eric___
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[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> I got a question
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> if I have a chip with the arduino bootloader
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> I could make a board with it and still use the arduino features?
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> but I would need something like the USBTinyISP?
[15:34] <BrainDamage> no, you program it on the arduino, then take it off
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> or just do it like shown in the breadboard tutorial, using an FT323?
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> *FT232
[15:34] <BrainDamage> it will remain programmed
[15:34] <BrainDamage> no need for either
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> good
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> so I just need a chip socket on the board
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> or a zero-force socket
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
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[15:37] <BrainDamage> zero force socket is probably unnecessary
[15:38] <BrainDamage> you won't be constantly swapping in/out the chip
[15:38] <BrainDamage> a simple socket, and some pliers
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> a DIP extractor?
[15:38] <BrainDamage> tweezers suffice, really
[15:39] <BrainDamage> or even a screwdriver
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> and use the leverage then?
[15:39] <fsphil-laptop> server back now
[15:39] <BrainDamage> yup
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> I just don't want to damage the board
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[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again BrainDamage and SpeedEvil
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> cu later
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[16:49] <Dan-K2VOL> Good day gents
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[16:57] <fsphil-laptop> evnin dan
[16:57] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Phil
[16:59] Action: fsphil-laptop is heading out for fooood
[17:00] <Dan-K2VOL> enjoy!
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[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> who all is interested in superpressure research papers?
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[17:28] <SpeedEvil> i was just looking at lab duamond syth
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> And concluding I probably can't do it in the garage.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> CZ on the other hand...
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[18:10] <Randomskk> uhm, I take it XABEN isn't actually flying?
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[18:20] <fsphil-laptop> in this wind, nah it would be in norway by now :)
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[18:51] <daveake> RocketBoy Latest order arrived safely, cheers :)
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[18:51] <daveake> Now I just need to start using my stockpile ...
[18:51] <RocketBoy> excellent :-) there has been a rush of orders recently
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[18:54] <daveake> I imagine so ....
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[19:02] <Randomskk> RocketBoy: are you running a test on xaben data atm?
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[19:39] <Upu> evening rjharrison
[19:39] <rjharrison> ping Upu
[19:39] <Upu> pong
[19:39] <rjharrison> 650
[19:39] <Upu> can you hear me ?
[19:40] <number10> !stats smea
[19:40] <number10> !stat smea
[19:40] <HAMBotty> smea: 3 words, 6 letters, 1 smilies, time wasted: 5 weeks 5 days 6 hours 5 minutes .
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[19:54] <fsphil-laptop> re!
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I think I really have to try to go outdoors with the GPS and Arduino
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> so that it can download the data
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> because it ran for hours now without getting stuff done
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> at least the sensors work
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi m1x10
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL1
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[20:32] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Lunar_Lander
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[20:36] Action: Laurenceb is pissed
[20:37] <Laurenceb> off :P
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:37] <Laurenceb> shower is leaking _everywhere_
[20:37] <Laurenceb> at hous im renting out
[20:38] <Laurenceb> looks like a joint has failed on the shower unit - behind a load of plasterboard and tiles :/
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Ah. :/
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> I'm currently working out how to make the bathroom pipes semi accessable - even behind finish.
[20:39] <Laurenceb> the plumber who did the gas connection installed it - i did most of the other work
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> water, not drain?
[20:39] <Laurenceb> it started leaking the next day so i called him
[20:39] <Laurenceb> i think so, need to go round and check
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> Any consequential - is it on the second floor?
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[20:40] <Laurenceb> and he just tightened the joint up
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[20:40] <Laurenceb> i wasnt very confident then - all the load is transferred to the wall via the pipes and joints
[20:41] <Laurenceb> but he got rather pissed when i suggested a better way to fix it as he was 'the proffessional'
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[20:41] <Laurenceb> looks like its screwed now
[20:41] <Laurenceb> ill kill him if i see him again
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> 'Certainly you are the professional, who I am paying.'
[20:42] <Laurenceb> well i was asking a few favous from him to pass off all my work as ok
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Fair enough then.
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[20:45] <Laurenceb> hopefully i can just leaver a couple of tiles off and get to the joints, and the ceiling will dry out and can just be repainted
[20:45] <Laurenceb> *lever
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully
[20:45] <Randomskk> hey everyone, habitat 0.2 "garden pond" is now running live on nessie and parsing all your data
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[20:45] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: sounds like a version of android
[20:46] <Randomskk> well they are named after tasty treats
[20:46] <Laurenceb> cesspit as the next one?
[20:46] <Randomskk> while our naming scheme is somewhat more eponymous
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[20:51] <fsphil-laptop> just got an email from Tim, the payload got to 36km today
[20:51] <fsphil-laptop> he must have logged the gps data on the sd card
[20:52] <Randomskk> what happened to the radio?
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[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> radio was fine, but the telemetry was missing the altitude
[20:52] <Randomskk> ah oops
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, mistake
[20:52] <fsphil-laptop> oops indeed :)
[20:53] <fsphil-laptop> it never reported higher than 4m
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[20:55] <SpeedEvil> I rthought it might be reporting sat number
[20:55] <fsphil-laptop> 36km.. I wonder if that's the highest flight to carry a camera
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> actually - no - that doesn't work
[20:56] <Randomskk> fsphil-laptop: cusf's nova 19 had a camera, got 36.4km or something
[20:56] <Randomskk> 36.2km, actually
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> isn't that the one up a tree?
[20:57] <Randomskk> yes :P
[20:57] <Randomskk> we still plan to get it back one day, hah
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> ah
[20:57] <Randomskk> but it's sooo hiigh :(
[20:57] <Randomskk> we have a cherry picker on a tractor on reserve if all else fails
[20:57] <fsphil-laptop> after the winds tomorrow, it might not still be up there
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[20:58] <Randomskk> hehe
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[20:59] <Randomskk> we're gonna go see in a month or so
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[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETrr-XHBjE
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[21:13] <m1x10> Hi bots
[21:14] <fsphil-laptop> I am not a robot, I am a unicorn
[21:16] <m1x10> im a uniporn
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> lol
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[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx-QNISuJWA&feature=related
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[21:26] <fsphil-laptop> wind is picking up a bit here
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:27] <fsphil-laptop> they've been talking about this wind on the news for a few days now
[21:28] <fsphil-laptop> I bet it's not as bad as predicted
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:30] <russss> for the purposes of severe weather warnings I guess they have to work with the worst case
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[21:34] <TimZaman> hi =)
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[21:37] <fsphil-laptop> tis tim
[21:37] <TimZaman> got some strings from the bacbkup payload
[21:37] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,1897,12:25:59,52.6777,+5.5031,35748,9,26,4183*C699
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[21:37] <TimZaman> hi
[21:38] <m1x10> gnite all
[21:38] <TimZaman> how do i get that stuff easy in an KML format..?
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[21:38] <fsphil-laptop> yay, altitude :)
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : the good news from this afternoon was: the sensors work :)
[21:39] <TimZaman> which sensors
[21:39] <TimZaman> yeah well the problem was
[21:39] <TimZaman> i never tested my alt
[21:39] <TimZaman> i got everything on a 3~4 second basis from start till 1000m after burst
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[21:40] <TimZaman> it did not get past the cutdown thresholds
[21:40] <TimZaman> so it cut down when fallen 1000m
[21:40] <daveake> I guess if you're on Holland, and your payload says 0m altitude, you probably believe it :)
[21:40] <TimZaman> from then, the logs stop
[21:40] <TimZaman> and tehres a lot of stuff burned in the cutdown payload :)
[21:40] <TimZaman> daveake, idd
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> aaah so the cut-down worked
[21:40] <TimZaman> yes
[21:40] <TimZaman> BUT BUT
[21:40] <TimZaman> the balloon was on
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : Bosch BMP085 pressure/temperature and Maxim DS18B20 temperature
[21:40] <TimZaman> ill show you some temps tomorrow
[21:41] <TimZaman> temps=pics
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> was there a proper camera on there too?
[21:41] <TimZaman> it burst because of a weakspot created by tiewarps
[21:41] <TimZaman> fsphil, no
[21:41] <TimZaman> but it did work for around 8 hours
[21:41] <TimZaman> until eric shut it off
[21:41] <TimZaman> i just drove there
[21:41] <TimZaman> back home now
[21:41] <fsphil-laptop> long drive that
[21:41] <TimZaman> again the Q
[21:41] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,1897,12:25:59,52.6777,+5.5031,35748,9,26,4183*C699
[21:41] <TimZaman> i got all that
[21:41] <TimZaman> now, easy way to get into a kml format?
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> can't think of one
[21:42] <TimZaman> blast
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> I did it once by writing a bash script
[21:42] <TimZaman> last time i did that took ages with a combination of excel, word, notepad, etc
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> extracted the latitude, longitude and altitude
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> then added the kml bits with a text editor
[21:43] <TimZaman> anyhow
[21:43] <TimZaman> i got 1700+ imaegs
[21:43] <TimZaman> iamges
[21:43] <TimZaman> images
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> wow
[21:43] <TimZaman> is that a record?
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> yep, unless you count video :)
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[21:45] <TimZaman> i win with that too, sorry
[21:45] <TimZaman> for SURE
[21:45] <TimZaman> i got 3.5 hours of A720IS film from HoHoHo 2
[21:45] <TimZaman> absurd
[21:46] <TimZaman> on 2 lithiums
[21:46] <TimZaman> chdk
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[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : and as I said, the temperature sensor is just transmitting the temperature to my PC :)
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[21:54] <TimZaman> submitted the record :)
[21:55] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander well thats allright
[21:56] <fsphil> bah, was outside for a second and got soaked
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> and also, both pressure sensors work
[21:56] Action: SpeedEvil was outside for a second a bit ago.
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> There is an apple tree self-seeded 25m or so away
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> And none of my apples are quite ready.
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> even the first one that has a burned edge because I tried to solder it with my crap iron I have at home
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> The apples are actually delicious.
[22:00] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander, are you making stuff yourself? there are plenty of breakouts
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I got the breakout
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> and had to solder the headers to it
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> and that was actually the first thing ever I tried to solder
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[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> (which was probably stupid)
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> but then I was allowed to use a good weller iron at uni
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> and now I got my headers allright
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:04] <TimZaman> lol it went up 4.76m/s haha! i was aiming for that, and didnt even measure the lift!
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> R=28 FA 26 57 3 0 0 7D Device is a DS18B20 family device.
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> P=1 7C 1 4B 46 7F FF 4 10 9 CRC=9
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> 23.75
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> No more addresses.
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:07] <DanielRichman> hi daveake
[22:07] <TimZaman> how to convert... how to convert
[22:08] <TimZaman> DanielRichman, simple way to convert our stuff to kml stuff
[22:08] <TimZaman> our stuff =* Project SpaceCameraLive booted!
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,0,00:00:00,0,0,0,0,25,4112*875D
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,1,23:59:57,0,0,0,0,25,4228*0F11
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,2,10:33:56,51.9909,+4.3783,42,8,25,4234*1457
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,3,10:33:59,51.9909,+4.3783,42,8,25,4234*4558
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,4,10:34:03,51.9909,+4.3783,42,8,25,4234*E970
[22:08] <DanielRichman> python.
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,5,10:34:06,51.9909,+4.3783,42,8,25,4234*E2B9
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,6,10:34:10,51.9909,+4.3783,40,8,25,4234*919F
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,7,10:34:13,51.9909,+4.3783,38,8,25,4234*06D1
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,8,10:34:17,51.9909,+4.3783,39,8,25,4234*2EC3
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,9,10:34:20,51.9909,+4.3783,40,8,25,4234*C7E2
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,10,10:34:24,51.9909,+4.3783,38,8,25,4234*1065
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,11,10:34:28,51.9909,+4.3783,38,8,25,4241*9379
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,12,10:34:31,51.9909,+4.3783,37,8,25,4241*BC7A
[22:08] <fsphil> oops
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,13,10:34:35,51.9909,+4.3783,41,8,25,4241*4713
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,14,10:34:38,51.9909,+4.3783,41,8,25,4234*1AEC
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,15,10:34:42,51.9909,+4.3783,38,8,25,4234*8EB0
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,16,10:34:45,51.9910,+4.3783,42,8,25,4234*8615
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,17,10:34:53,51.9911,+4.3786,49,8,25,4234*29BC
[22:08] <DanielRichman> um...
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,18,10:34:57,51.9912,+4.3787,82,8,25,4234*D8E6
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,19,10:35:01,51.9915,+4.3790,104,8,25,4234*4576
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,20,10:35:04,51.9917,+4.3791,123,8,25,4241*6354
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> Failpaste. :)
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,21,10:35:08,51.9918,+4.3793,147,8,25,4234*4963
[22:08] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,22,10:35:11,51.9920,+4.3796,159,8,25,4234*A872
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,23,10:35:15,51.9923,+4.3801,176,8,25,4234*487C
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,24,10:35:18,51.9925,+4.3805,184,8,25,4234*20B8
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,25,10:35:22,51.9928,+4.3809,198,8,25,4241*642D
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,26,10:35:25,51.9930,+4.3813,212,8,25,4234*2FDE
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,27,10:35:29,51.9933,+4.3817,230,8,25,4234*7AA6
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,28,10:35:32,51.9935,+4.3820,241,8,25,4241*FB7E
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,29,10:35:36,51.9939,+4.3825,257,8,25,4241*56C5
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,30,10:35:40,51.9944,+4.3829,271,8,25,4241*B8FD
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[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,31,10:35:43,51.9946,+4.3831,284,8,25,4234*C2AB
[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,32,10:35:47,51.9949,+4.3835,304,8,25,4241*C6E0
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[22:09] <TimZaman> $$PD4TA,33,10:35:50,51.9951,+4.3838,317,8,25,4234*6430
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> Much more of this, and I'll need to call my ISP for more quota.
[22:09] <daveake> :)
[22:09] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: you might wanna exit your IRC and rejoin to clear that backlog out
[22:09] <DanielRichman> give me a PM when you're OK
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[22:10] <TimZaman> =)
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[22:10] <daveake> Hi DanielRichman
[22:10] <DanielRichman> daveake: ok so I can add your map now for flight mode
[22:10] <TimZaman> ok so yeah
[22:10] <daveake> Was away updating my blog
[22:10] <DanielRichman> did you say you had a list of all the options?
[22:10] <daveake> Cooooool :)
[22:10] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: so personally I would recommend writing something in python
[22:11] <daveake> Yes I did say that .... gave you a pastie.org link but that probably got lost in the noise
[22:11] <DanielRichman> but I don't know what your favourite programming language is
[22:11] <DanielRichman> daveake: d/w, I can grep it out if you want
[22:11] <DanielRichman> found it ;D
[22:11] <daveake> blimey, quick!
[22:11] <DanielRichman> ok cool let me set this up
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> I also have one
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> R=28 FA 26 57 3 0 0 7D Device is a DS18B20 family device.
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> P=1 7C 1 4B 46 7F FF 4 10 9 CRC=9
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> 23.75
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> No more addresses.
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:12] <fsphil> it seems dropping wireless mice on the floor doesn't help it
[22:12] <fsphil> quite the opposite infact
[22:12] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: basically you want a nice script that reads each line, does some rudimentary parsing (like in python, I would line.strip().split(",") to get an array/list of fields, then select the ones I wanted by index)
[22:12] <DanielRichman> then outputs kml somehow. That I know nothing about
[22:12] <daveake> btw when I autoconfigure from the payload the gap is wrong. I think that's because of the non-standard spacing.
[22:12] <Randomskk> for a basic path the kml is really easy
[22:12] <fsphil> that's a bug in current dl-fldigi
[22:13] <Randomskk> if your data was on habitat I could probably do some kind of an export but I think it's not?
[22:13] <Randomskk> anyway yea, just use python or something to grab the lat,lng,alt
[22:13] <Randomskk> then just do like, I dunno
[22:14] <TimZaman> dont know much about the kml format
[22:14] <daveake> Buzz1 is ready now - just been writing it up at http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=125
[22:14] <TimZaman> forgot about it long time ago
[22:14] <TimZaman> DanielRichman, how about stripping it just in libreoffice. i did that in a total of 10 seconds :)
[22:14] <fsphil-laptop> aah you've been buzzy
[22:14] <TimZaman> though now.. getting that baby into KML is another story
[22:15] <daveake> haha
[22:15] <fsphil-laptop> kml can just be a list of lat,lng,alt on lines
[22:16] <fsphil-laptop> the only fancy bit is the start and end
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> daveake, needs more LEDs! :)
[22:17] <daveake> Ran out of outputs1
[22:18] <daveake> Isn't 4 enough? ;)
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> nah, you want at least 16 ;)
[22:18] <fsphil-laptop> it's a neat little package
[22:19] <daveake> Neater than it looks with the wires ... those go between top and bottom for the NTX2, batteries and cutdown
[22:19] <fsphil-laptop> my only concern would be the battery. they don't like cold
[22:20] <DanielRichman> daveake: OK; can you upload a string?
[22:20] <daveake> Not much heat inside this one. 65mA total
[22:20] <DanielRichman> actually
[22:20] <DanielRichman> I can find one; don't worry
[22:21] <fsphil-laptop> yea, but lipo's don't tend to work well below 0c
[22:23] <daveake> Oh, thought those were OK down to -20C at least. Maybe I should run the camera from the main batteries (Energizer Lithium) then.
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> it might, I think someone here tested in a freezer and it stopped fairly quickly
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> worth a test
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> the insulation might be enough
[22:24] <daveake> I'll try. I have a spare freezer :)
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> daveake: they are OK - they are not damaged - but they don't want to deliver power
[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, how'd you get it down from the roof?
[22:24] <daveake> Thanks, will have a think about that.
[22:25] <DanielRichman> daveake: ok I think it works
[22:27] <daveake> Still showing as a number here. Have tried reloading.
[22:27] <DanielRichman> yep; reuploading it now that it works
[22:27] <DanielRichman> 1sec
[22:27] <daveake> k#
[22:28] <DanielRichman> there
[22:28] <DanielRichman> it now says GPS 3D
[22:28] <daveake> Cool :)
[22:28] <daveake> I'll upload a short flight tomorrow to see it cycle through
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