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[00:01] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: Ensure you're wearing underpants.
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[00:02] <kristianpaul> whats the algoryth for a software based PLL?
[00:02] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, haha :)
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> Same as a hardware based one
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> controlled oscillator, discriminator, loop filter.
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[10:51] <mattltm> Mornin all :0
[10:53] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: Zondag drukte in de hogere luchtlagen boven NL #ballonvossenjacht en testvlucht Space Camera live (Delft) http://t.co/QeeUykw #ukhas [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/112478676049866752]
[10:54] <mattltm> Love the opening paragraph of this page.... http://www.roger-g4roj.webspace.virginmedia.com/AEROSTATS%201.html
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[10:54] <TimZaman> So the big questions
[10:54] <TimZaman> who's helpin' tomorrow!?
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[10:58] <Darkside> yaaaay, recoding the Nut code
[10:58] <Darkside> to make it pretty, and to use structs
[10:58] <Darkside> :P
[10:59] <Darkside> and to store each position record in a binary format on a flash chip
[11:02] <TimZaman> Darkside: thanks for setting the header, it looks pretty
[11:14] <fsphil> what time's it going up at TimZaman?
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[11:19] <TimZaman> i think 1300CEST
[11:19] <TimZaman> the wind is aweful. huge change it will land in the large lake agian
[11:20] <fsphil> we're getting warnings about the wind this weekend
[11:20] <fsphil> esp. monday
[11:21] <TimZaman> yeah a bit later the wind is going to be heavy
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[12:47] <Dan-K2VOL> launch in a few minutes! http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
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[13:02] <TimZaman> meh
[13:02] <TimZaman> large budgets are easy
[13:02] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe truwe
[13:03] <TimZaman> wow geez
[13:03] <TimZaman> looks like saturn something
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[13:03] <TimZaman> Oh yeah: can someone clean up the tracker with my stuff tomorrow morning?
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[13:11] <smokey_> good afternoon to You all
[13:12] <BalHare> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-mobile
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[13:17] <smokey_> Teachers at our school have started evaluating starting a weather/measuring balloon.
[13:17] <smokey_> hopefully it wont collide with the nasa mobile ;-)
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[13:20] <smokey_> well, noone talking here so Ill head back to my local cave
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[13:22] <GW8RAK> very quiet on here today smokey_
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[13:25] <Darkside> AWESOME
[13:26] <Darkside> just got this atmel serial flash working
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[14:20] <fsphil> flash ... aaaahhh
[14:21] <Darkside> :P
[14:21] <Darkside> hmm
[14:21] <Darkside> looks like i broke habitat again :P
[14:21] <Darkside> or more accurately, i'm sending a different data format now :P
[14:21] <Darkside> so it doesn't know what to do with it
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[14:28] <TimZaman> as long as noone breaks the tracker tomorrow for the launch everythings fine with me
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[14:31] <danielsaul> Below what weight can you get away with using no parachute?
[14:31] <Darkside> we've done it with <200g
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[14:31] <danielsaul> Yep, ok - I thought it was roughly that
[14:32] <danielsaul> Thanks
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[15:53] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Ladies and Gentlemen, the White Star Balloon Season begins! Meetings every Thursday night, Make it, Do it, Fly it! #UKHAS #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/112554402455371776]
[15:55] <Dan-K2VOL> thank you griffonbot
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[15:55] <griffonbot> @steamfire: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: Ladies and Gentlemen, the White Star Balloon Season begins! Meetings every Thursday night, Make it, Do it, Fly it! ... [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/112554851342356480]
[15:56] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[15:56] <fsphil-laptop> how are things looking Dan-K2VOL?
[15:57] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil-laptop!
[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL> oh things are looking exciting
[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL> we're itching to get speedball off the continent and get on to superpressures
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[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> we may jump ship off ORBCOMM and hop on Iridium, if we can get a Delorme Inreach in october
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> for SpeedBall
[16:00] <fsphil-laptop> orbcomm still annoying?
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah we haven't worked on that since spring
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL> the antenna is about done, but the software is still in need of completion to do proper message queueing. if we stick with orbcomm, I think we're just going to make a new PCB that fits the Arduino FIO socket, but has an arduino compatible chip that's got more RAM and EEPROM
[16:02] <Darkside> 2560?
[16:03] <fsphil-laptop> not sure what the arduino standard chip is
[16:04] <Darkside> atmega2560 runs arduino
[16:04] <Darkside> the normal one is the atmega328
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[16:05] <fsphil-laptop> I better walk the dog before it gets any windier
[16:05] <fsphil-laptop> he's pretty small... :)
[16:05] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[16:05] <Dan-K2VOL> maybe the 2560 would do
[16:06] <Darkside> i think its 8k ram
[16:06] <Darkside> might be 16k
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[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
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[16:14] <TimZaman> omg my script wont boot
[16:15] <TimZaman> @reboot in crontab doesnt work.. putting it in init.d and configuring doesnt work
[16:16] <TimZaman> so if you to a * * * * * * cronjob, does it execute all the time, or just executes, and executes again if its finished?
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[16:17] <SpeedEvil> every minute
[16:17] <TimZaman> allright so it will start a whole lot if the script is continuosui
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[16:19] <TimZaman> .,..? anyone
[16:19] <TimZaman> its a continuous loop that shd be run with root priv
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> you typically drop a 'pid' file that contains your pid. On startup, you look at this PID to see if it's the appropriate process - if so, you exit
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> if not, you remove the file, and start
[16:22] <TimZaman> i know what a pid is but i dont understand what you are saying.
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[16:24] <SpeedEvil> A script to launch it.
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[16:25] <TimZaman> why cant i just say in crontab "@reboot launchmyscript.sh
[16:26] <Hiena> Because you should say such thing for the init.d.
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[16:31] <TimZaman> problem solved. wrong working dir
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[16:32] <TimZaman> :)
[16:32] <TimZaman> works
[16:35] <Dutch-Mill> Hi Tim can't be there tomorrow -( , family things ect. Nice flight tomorrow
[16:35] <TimZaman> ah crappy
[16:35] <TimZaman> thanks anyway
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[16:36] <Dutch-Mill> Oke the next time maby , the 7th november?
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[16:39] <Dan-K2VOL> do any other countries produce free weather data like the GFS model from NOAA?
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> yr.no I think
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[16:41] <Dan-K2VOL> just wondering what balloonists could do if the US ever blocked HYSPLIT or GFS data forecasting for amateur long duration balloon flights
[16:44] <TimZaman> just have luck with launch :)
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[16:49] <TimZaman> uhoh is the predictor down?
[16:49] <TimZaman> NM
[16:49] <Dan-K2VOL> no, I'm just thinking into the future
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[16:54] <NigelMoby> Evening
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[16:55] <Dan-K2VOL> ni Nigel
[16:55] <NigelMoby> Hey Dan
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[17:00] <NigelMoby> http://t.co/Tz7YJcg
[17:01] <NigelMoby> Picochu-2
[17:02] <Dan-K2VOL> oooh nice PCB nigel
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[17:04] <nigeysuk> Darksides work, made a modified throughole ver of meganut for me
[17:04] <nigeysuk> Stupid mobile grrr
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[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> cool Darkside :-)
[17:07] <nigeysuk> Need to hack the sma connector though
[17:08] <nigeysuk> Bit to close to the Ntx2
[17:08] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all, I'm going to start collecting academic balloon research papers I find on this public open collaboration site/desktop PDF organizer mendeley.com
[17:09] <nigeysuk> They also sent 12 not 10 so Yey! Lol
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> I invite anyone else interested to join, I've started a superpressure balloon documents group
[17:09] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, was that seeedstudio?
[17:10] <nigeysuk> Yups
[17:10] <nigeysuk> Gd idea bout the papers BTW
[17:10] <Dan-K2VOL> good place
[17:11] <nigeysuk> Concidering how cheap they are PCB quality seems good
[17:11] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, I love em
[17:12] <Dan-K2VOL> did you do the postal mail or an express carrier?
[17:12] <nigeysuk> Postal, just over 2 weeks
[17:12] <Dan-K2VOL> not bad
[17:13] <nigeysuk> Aye was impressed, just need to get some 100nf caps now to finish it off.
[17:24] <Hiena> Talking about caps. Never let loose the hot ignition wire ground terminal. It's a shocking experience.
[17:26] <TimZaman> nigeysuk: yeah seedstudio is the best imo
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[17:58] <NigeyS> !stat nigeymoby
[17:58] <HAMBotty> Sorry, I don't have any stats about nigeymoby in #highaltitude.
[17:58] <NigeyS> hm
[17:58] <NigeyS> !stat nigelmoby
[17:58] <HAMBotty> nigelmoby: 2960 words, 14645 letters, 11 smilies, time wasted: 6 weeks 23 hours 6 minutes .
[17:58] <NigeyS> !reload stats.conf
[18:08] <TimZaman> !stat TimZaman
[18:08] <HAMBotty> TimZaman: 11693 words, 63557 letters, 58 smilies, time wasted: 4 days 16 hours 34 minutes .
[18:08] <TimZaman> blast
[18:11] <NigeyS> :o
[18:11] <NigeyS> !stat NigeyS
[18:11] <HAMBotty> NigeyS: 23319 words, 121242 letters, 116 smilies, time wasted: 5 weeks 20 hours 39 minutes .
[18:11] <NigeyS> i must get a life..lol
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[19:08] <BalHare> !stat SamSIlver
[19:08] <HAMBotty> SamSilver: 10375 words, 57921 letters, 15 smilies, time wasted: 9 weeks 20 hours 3 minutes .
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[19:11] <m1x10> hi bots
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[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi m1x10 TimZaman fsphil W0OTM Upu SpeedEvil nickolai natrium42 Matt_soton NigeyS Darkside
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[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> and all others
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake_
[19:22] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> !stat speedevil
[19:22] <HAMBotty> SpeedEvil: 36636 words, 209241 letters, 209 smilies, time wasted: 17 weeks 2 days 23 hours 1 minute .
[19:22] <daveake> hi LL
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:22] <daveake> Is it stats night? :)
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> !stat Lunar_Lander
[19:23] <HAMBotty> Lunar_Lander: 28906 words, 154479 letters, 265 smilies, time wasted: 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours 7 minutes .
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> !stat daveake
[19:24] <HAMBotty> daveake_nb: 5782 words, 30507 letters, 107 smilies, time wasted: 5 days 4 hours 35 minutes .
[19:24] <daveake> Just been trying to get a GS407 GPS working. It just couldn't get a lock when connected to the PC via a USB-TTL adapter. Then I tested the 3V3 from the adapter and the GPS was dragging it down to about 3V
[19:24] <daveake> Now connected to a separate 3V3 supply and it's working :)
[19:25] <daveake> Never had this trouble with the Lassen .... ;)
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> today I got an e-mail from Turkey
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> someone here showed me an Elektor link about a photodiode used as a gamma ray counter
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> or was that in #sparkfun?
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Today I had some roast turkey.
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> Dr Ozben explained to me some details of the circuit
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> but I'd have to make a PCB for that
[19:33] <m1x10> EPIC: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFbhhi_XVc
[19:34] <m1x10> !stat m1x10
[19:34] <HAMBotty> mixio: 7645 words, 42302 letters, 96 smilies, time wasted: 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours 12 minutes .
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[20:43] <HAMBotty> smea: 3 words, 6 letters, 1 smilies, time wasted: 5 weeks 4 days 23 hours 8 minutes .
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> and fsphil-laptop
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[21:28] <TimZaman> fsphil check out the ssdv feed
[21:29] <TimZaman> my friggin webcam problem is back
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[21:29] <TimZaman> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA
[21:30] <TimZaman> hi
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[21:32] <TimZaman> good everythings finished but my webcams illness is back
[21:32] <TimZaman> weirdass slanted images
[21:33] <TimZaman> i did incorporate it in a new algorithm, that takes in account the size too; if its too big (mostly when its mangled like this) it gets a penalty. that works fine though its not a good solution
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> and how does Kinect+MATLAB go?
[21:34] <TimZaman> easy
[21:35] <TimZaman> got a lot of great idea but my time is short
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[21:36] <Laurenceb> omg what the hell is on tv
[21:36] <Laurenceb> i cant take this seriously
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> let me guess
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> it is not on BBC?
[21:39] <Upu> evening
[21:39] <Laurenceb> proms
[21:39] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qeX98tAS8
[21:39] <Laurenceb> all i can think of is that
[21:39] <Upu> so TimZaman about 1300 UK time tommorrow , what balloon are you using an how high fo you think you're going to go ?
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> so 1500 european time?
[21:40] <LazyLeopard> 'Tis the Last Night, yes...
[21:40] <Upu> 1200CEST ?
[21:40] <TimZaman> 1300 central european summer time?
[21:40] <Upu> what time is it there now ?
[21:40] <TimZaman> holland 2340
[21:40] <TimZaman> isnt that cest
[21:41] <Upu> dunno 13:00 UK time
[21:41] <TimZaman> hmm
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:41] <TimZaman> anyhow im launching i think 1245 dutch time
[21:41] <TimZaman> if i get the fcking webcam to behave
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> is it still summer time in Britain?
[21:41] Action: Upu looks out of the window
[21:41] <Upu> sorta
[21:41] <TimZaman> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/images/2011-09-10--22-28-41-PD4TA-00.jpeg?1315690262825
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:42] <Upu> what height do you think you're going to get ?
[21:42] <TimZaman> 34k
[21:42] <TimZaman> would like 5ms ascent
[21:43] <TimZaman> have a 1000g and 2x1600g hwoyee
[21:43] <Upu> you're using 2 balloons at once ?
[21:43] <TimZaman> no no
[21:43] <daveake> :)
[21:43] <TimZaman> thats my stock
[21:43] <TimZaman> ill be going for the 1600
[21:43] <Upu> was about to ask I mean I know its legal over there but...
[21:44] <Upu> Well its doable from here
[21:44] <Upu> 458 km
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[21:45] <Upu> I'll be listening
[21:45] <Upu> whether I get anything at that baud rate is another matter :)
[21:45] <Upu> but good luck
[21:46] <TimZaman> :)
[21:46] <TimZaman> i hope i got some help
[21:46] <TimZaman> 10 at 600bd, one at 1200bd
[21:47] <Upu> baud rate doesn't auto configure in dl-dlfldigi ?
[21:48] <Upu> so 10 telemetry strings @ 600 baud
[21:48] <Upu> then one at 12000 ?
[21:48] <Upu> 1200
[21:49] <TimZaman> i know
[21:49] <TimZaman> it tells you to switch to 1200
[21:49] <TimZaman> its a testflight
[21:49] <TimZaman> to test the baudrates
[21:49] <Upu> tells you in the telemety ?
[21:50] <TimZaman> yeah
[21:50] <TimZaman> it just says
[21:50] <TimZaman> literally:
[21:50] <TimZaman> !!! NEXT ONE @ 600BAUD, CYCLE 4/10 !!!
[21:50] <TimZaman> NOW SENDING AT 600 BAUD !
[21:50] <TimZaman> Ufí(¢Šì'H¤·‘n4%Nð}+Ëã}£¾ÃÓ5Ü
[21:50] <Upu> ok fair enough :)
[21:50] <Upu> so whats the delay between sentences
[21:50] <TimZaman> at 600 baud that's written in a blink of an eye
[21:50] <Upu> i.e how long do I have to switch to 1200 ?
[21:50] <TimZaman> emm
[21:51] <TimZaman> oh right
[21:51] <TimZaman> well
[21:51] <TimZaman> im not sure anyone's that fast
[21:51] <TimZaman> i have problems with "sleep" when i run it as sudo
[21:51] <TimZaman> beagleboard isnt that great in terms of stability
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[21:51] <TimZaman> and problems with the usb/ftdi buffers, aweful
[21:51] <Upu> so whats the suggestion stick to 600 or 1200 ?
[21:51] <TimZaman> anyhow.. you SHOULD have an announcement, 3 seconds, announcement, go
[21:52] <TimZaman> stick to 600
[21:52] <Upu> fair enough I'll see what I can do
[21:52] <Upu> got a prediction
[21:52] <Upu> ?
[21:52] <TimZaman> when you SEE 1200 (because you will see that clearly, and hear that) just switch
[21:52] <TimZaman> yeah its going north
[21:52] <TimZaman> cut a second cutdown payload as well
[21:52] <TimZaman> including a cellphone
[21:52] <Upu> going to recover or letting it go ?
[21:52] <TimZaman> let it go
[21:52] <TimZaman> then drive 2 hou rs
[21:53] <Upu> ok thats all the questions :) I ask them now as you'll be bust tommorrow :)
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> looking forward to it
[21:53] <TimZaman> =D
[21:54] <Upu> yep see if I can hear you from here
[21:54] <TimZaman> fsphil i am now using "streamer" its got great recommandations on the web
[21:54] <TimZaman> and it looks as if it works great
[21:54] <Upu> I think if fsphil does that wll be a record
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[21:54] <TimZaman> fswebcam still doesnt work for me, as i need yuyv capture it seems
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> there are four lights! http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/images/2011-09-10--21-15-29-PD4TA-02.jpeg
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> fswebcam will do yuyv too
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> you just have to tell it
[21:54] <TimZaman> Ah
[21:54] <Upu> TimZaman don't forget to mail the UKHAS list with all details put the launch time in UTC
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : I got a question about the christmas flight when that is OK?
[21:54] <TimZaman> where then
[21:54] <Upu> you may get some more listeners
[21:54] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: shoot
[21:55] <TimZaman> Upu yeah i was looking for it
[21:55] <Upu> Charlie010
[21:55] <TimZaman> but really, "ukhas" is a no-go on google
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> how did it work?
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, -p YUYV
[21:55] <Upu> have a free password
[21:55] <TimZaman> i only get "The Uk Has bla bla"
[21:55] <TimZaman> fsphil how do i get rid of all the nonsense?
[21:55] <TimZaman> i have to append like five words to get all the banners out
[21:55] <TimZaman> ;)
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> --disable-banner :p
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> or simply hit the URL bar
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> and enter
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> er
[21:55] <TimZaman> yeah but then i still get the text right
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> ukhas.org.uk
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> --no-banner
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:55] <fsphil-laptop> sheesh, I don't even know my own program :)
[21:56] <TimZaman> fsphil well im not sure but i got annoyed by it some time ago i remember
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : my question was: how was the Christmas cutdown planned to work? IIRC, it had a servo?
[21:56] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: no there was something with the power
[21:56] <fsphil-laptop> christmas cutdown? reindeer powered
[21:56] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: burst capacitor is one of the suspects
[21:56] <TimZaman> :)
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, those corrupt images look like a resolution mis-match somewhere
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> and what was the cutdown now? a nichrome wire or so?
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Z3AIFSd60&feature=related That's neat!
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> ?Hydroforming metal with a pressure washer
[22:01] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: nichrome
[22:01] <TimZaman> pretty neat
[22:01] <TimZaman> i'll make some post about it next week
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : what do you think about a burst-activated cutdown? one that removes the balloon rest
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> triggered by an acceleration sensor maybe
[22:02] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: you should always incoporate that
[22:02] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: well that i would never do
[22:02] Nick change: Jasperw1 -> jasperw
[22:02] <TimZaman> for instance, my code, i'm sure, is really fine
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:02] <TimZaman> i took it (the arduino) with me the entire day
[22:03] <TimZaman> then suddenly, i got a text message
[22:03] <TimZaman> which meant that it had dropped 1000m
[22:03] <TimZaman> i dont know if youve been to holland, but that was some weirdass error
[22:03] <TimZaman> you dont want that in your flights
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:03] <TimZaman> my cutdown is:
[22:03] <TimZaman> OR >5.6 lon OR 52.7 lat OR 900m less than max altitude was
[22:04] <fsphil-laptop> idle fact: highest point in holland is 322.7 m, Vaalserberg
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:04] <TimZaman> fsphil thanks, i did not know that!
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> so you would get rid of the burst balloon?
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> by the last criteria
[22:04] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: exactly, burst balloons are like verminm
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> like in XABEN 13 and 14
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> steve said that in the latter one, more than 60% of the balloon was still on the line
[22:05] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: my entire balloon was on the line last time
[22:05] <TimZaman> i think, usually, the entire balloon is on the line, due to the horizontal rips.
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> despite that Kaymont advertises the shredding feature on their website
[22:07] <TimZaman> Kaymont is expensive and their balloons are as much worth as the dollar is
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> isn't Kaymont and Totex the same now?
[22:07] <TimZaman> dunno
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> and then there is Hwoyee
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[22:07] <TimZaman> i have used kaymont, have 3 hwoyee's now.
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> and then there is that one company in India
[22:08] <TimZaman> you should order some hwoyee's from steve if he has stock
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I have one Kaymont 1500 from Steve
[22:08] <TimZaman> yeah i used that one on my first flight
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> and two of those brown old balloons
[22:08] <TimZaman> good balloon.
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <daveake> For my launch, 720g of the 1000g totex was still attached
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> 72%!
[22:08] <TimZaman> in my experience, latex gloves and stuff arent really neccesary
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <daveake> Let me see .....
[22:08] <daveake> ........
[22:08] <daveake> .... yes, 72% :)
[22:08] <TimZaman> ...?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> do you know which brown ones I mean?
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> they are from 1982 I think?
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> or something like that
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> they were military surplus on ebay
[22:09] <daveake> on ebay, I've seen those
[22:09] <daveake> with a skirt
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeag
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> and when its cold, you have to boil the balloon before inflation :)
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> which was invented in Antarctica btw
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> they tested methods to improve the reliability of balloonsonde balloons
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> and cooking was better than storing the balloons in Diesel
[22:10] <daveake> eek
[22:16] <TimZaman> fsphil - hmm resolution mismatch yes it sounds feasable
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, doing some calculations with http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/java/horizon.htm
[22:17] <fsphil-laptop> if you get above 35km, it might be detectable here :)
[22:21] <TimZaman> =) that'd be awesome
[22:21] <TimZaman> you have a whole night to build a 50el yagi
[22:22] <TimZaman> maybe if i get to 40km darkside can receive me
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> I have a 2x 11-el array :)
[22:22] <TimZaman> Ah an array you say
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> but I can't use it, far too windy tomorrow
[22:22] <TimZaman> aw
[22:22] <TimZaman> useless then
[22:22] <fsphil-laptop> the colinear won't have enough gain
[22:24] <TimZaman> you're just afraid the wind will take your dog
[22:24] <fsphil-laptop> silly mutt is afraid of the wind
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[22:25] <TimZaman> okay phil
[22:25] <TimZaman> last attempt @ ssdv
[22:26] <TimZaman> also when i do -not- use uvccapture the quality is a lot better
[22:26] <fsphil-laptop> odd
[22:27] <TimZaman> something to do with the capture modes
[22:27] <TimZaman> it seems using yuyv gives me the stripes, and using the RGB stuff gives me weirdass blocks (that i also got with fswebcam!)
[22:27] <TimZaman> i noticed that when i watched a videostream in all those settings
[22:27] <fsphil-laptop> the logitech can only do yuyv or jpeg
[22:27] <TimZaman> BUT, it *has* something to do with the beagleboard
[22:28] <TimZaman> because my laptops do fine
[22:28] <fsphil-laptop> could be the slower usb ports
[22:31] <TimZaman> fsphil check out the NEW problem!
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> ooh arr
[22:31] <TimZaman> yeeeep
[22:31] <fsphil-laptop> usb transfer problem from the look sof it
[22:31] <TimZaman> :(
[22:32] <fsphil-laptop> cause it starts fine
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[22:32] <TimZaman> youd expect it has some error detection?
[22:33] <fsphil-laptop> I thought it did
[22:34] <TimZaman> it also seems that when a change occurs, (putting my hand in front) the next image has problems
[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> does uvccapture have a way to skip bad frames?
[22:34] <TimZaman> nop
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> these could just be bad initial frames
[22:35] <TimZaman> oh wait a tic
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> I found that on a lot of webcams
[22:35] <TimZaman> -j
[22:35] <TimZaman> its new
[22:37] <TimZaman> oh no wait it doesnt have it
[22:37] <TimZaman> someone just hacked it
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[22:44] <TimZaman> omg this is a problem
[22:52] <TimZaman> fsphil also it seems i have uvccapture 0.4
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[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> you mean your PC was attacked TimZaman?
[23:00] <Laurenceb> wow the chibios HAL documentation
[23:00] <Laurenceb> thats some dedication
[23:00] <Laurenceb> combined for the different processors its got to be longer than the ST docs
[23:06] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: no no
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> I was just shown a cool java-based circuit simulator
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> on the falstad site
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[23:46] <TimZaman> can someone clean the tracker??
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