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[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[01:54] <NigeyS> i want to hit someone!!!!!!
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[01:54] <NigeyS> fucking developers need a good hard slap!
[01:57] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:58] <NigeyS> frikkin idiots
[01:59] <NigeyS> what kinda dev chmod 777's their home directory, then symlinks it to each users site to let every bloody domain access different versions of theyre cms? thats the lousiest attempt of version control i've ever seen in my life! :@
[02:00] <NigeyS> </end rant> :)
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> That seems a little odd.
[02:00] <NigeyS> its plain stupidity, especiallt when the new servers cant read the sodding symlink file
[02:00] <NigeyS> especially*
[02:01] <NigeyS> so ive spent 3 hours trawling causes of php errors just to fins out that the system symlink is pointing to a totally different user account!
[02:01] <SpeedEvil> :/
[02:01] <NigeyS> if it wasnt 3am id have screamed
[02:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm about to climb up into the attic, to fix my solar system
[02:02] <NigeyS> @ 3am ?
[02:02] <SpeedEvil> Need to refil it, drained earlier.
[02:02] <SpeedEvil> Solar-thermal.
[02:02] <NigeyS> you're as mad as me lol
[02:02] <SpeedEvil> There are issues with working on it when the sun is up.
[02:02] <NigeyS> thats a good point
[02:02] <NigeyS> any idea why it drained ?
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> It had masses of air in the system, and it wasn't really sensibly purging.
[02:03] <NigeyS> ahh that pesky air!!
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> Reengineered the pipework a bit to hopefully remedy that.
[02:03] <NigeyS> surprising what a bit of air does tbh
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> And in the process, foud that I've got the temperature probe in the 'cold' end of the array.
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[02:04] <NigeyS> lol you're having as good a day as me by the sounds of it
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> But as I'm using a timer at the moment to turn it on and off, it's not a big issue.
[02:04] <SpeedEvil> Nice hot - free - bath today anyway. :)
[02:04] <NigeyS> true
[02:05] <NigeyS> trying to think how to solve the "versioning" system now, not 777ing the new servers home dir they can kiss my hairy ass if they think thats going to happen
[02:24] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[02:25] <SpeedEvil> You'd think that if you had a T joint, with the T going upwards, that any air would go up it.
[02:26] <SpeedEvil> I think it's boundary conditions, I should have put something into the pipe to stick in and act like an air-scoop
[02:35] <NigeyS> eek
[02:43] <SpeedEvil> It's 'working' - it's just got lots of air in.
[02:44] <SpeedEvil> I need to order some bits to fix it properly.
[02:44] <NigeyS> eugh have fun, shame i cant get this frikkin site working properly, but im not a coder, if their cms is broke im not fixing it!
[02:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
[02:45] <NigeyS> not my job.. server monkey, thats me, php can go suck a lemon!
[02:46] <NigeyS> right off to bed, early finish lol, catch you later on speedy dude!
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[03:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4Xk1mEwmI
[03:31] <SpeedEvil> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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[03:43] <kennberg> crazy
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[08:28] <daveake> Morning all
[08:28] <SamSilver> morning dave
[08:29] <daveake> Morning dave
[08:29] <SamSilver> how is buz1
[08:29] <SamSilver> buzz1
[08:30] <daveake> I left Buzz running overnight on some old batteries ... pleased to see he kept going all the way down to 3.08V from the batteries
[08:30] <daveake> Then the GPS stopped, and 0.01V later the CPU gave up
[08:31] <daveake> Next test is to leave it running on AAAs in the freezer, and see if it survives the cutdown step
[08:31] <SamSilver> how long are you looking for it to run?
[08:31] <SamSilver> geofence and time if I remember right
[08:31] <daveake> Well I think 3 AAAs will give around 16 hours, but 8 should be plenty for the flight and chase
[08:31] <daveake> altitude and time
[08:32] <SamSilver> and pics starting at 30k
[08:32] <daveake> At the mo, 4-hour timeout
[08:32] <daveake> Yep. That's a separate battery lasting 50-odd minutes
[08:33] <SamSilver> so the big Q is when?
[08:33] <daveake> Sept 17th - Sat week
[08:34] <daveake> That said, I applied for that date (and a few after) for my other payload. That one's not finished but will be soon. I'll decide closer to the time which one to fly
[08:34] <SamSilver> i will be watching but not tracking as my 6 element yagi is good but not THAT GOOD!
[08:34] <daveake> :)
[08:36] <daveake> I applied for a 6am - 9am launch, to get the sunrise. If I fly the other (photographic) payload I'll try to get as close to 6am as I can. If I opt for Buzz then I'll have a lay-in :)
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[11:03] <SamSilver> I am a unicorn > freaky > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnzlbyTZsQY&feature=player_embedded
[11:04] <simhed> i saw that, wasn't impressed
[11:05] <simhed> i remember doing similar things about 10 years ago
[11:05] <simhed> was expecting AI to evolve a bit faster..
[11:05] <SamSilver> bots arebetter a bit bashing and stuff
[11:06] <SamSilver> at b9t*
[11:06] <SamSilver> sh!t I can't type
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[11:22] <fsphil> I already fall out with my computer, and that's without AI
[11:23] <Darkside> yay i have a hakko soldering station :D
[11:23] <Darkside> now i can do decent soldering at home
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[11:55] <Darkside> http://yfrog.com/mgqciwj
[11:55] <Darkside> whee
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[13:23] <daveake> Hmmm. Just been on the phone ordering helium. Was told there's a bit of a shortage and they have no Air Products cylinders at all. Ended up with a rather large BOC one instead.
[13:25] <daveake> Enough for 2 launches. At least!
[13:32] <Randomskk> success!
[13:32] <daveake> success?
[13:32] <Randomskk> I guess?
[13:32] <Randomskk> I was replying to you, just a lot later
[13:32] <daveake> Ah
[13:32] <daveake> :)
[13:34] <daveake> The only choice was a 3.6 or a 9 c.m cylinder. Might need a hand getting the thing lugged around!
[13:35] <daveake> Depending on which payload I send up and which balloon, 3.6 might not be quite enough.
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[13:56] <daveake> Think I'll be buying a cylinder trolley tomorrow!
[13:57] <daveake> In other news, Buzz1 kept working all the way down to a battery voltage of 3.08V, which is good.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:00] <daveake> So he should survice the cutdown
[14:00] <daveake> survive*
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> np: Europe - the final cutdown.
[14:00] <daveake> GPS stopped at 3.08 and the processor gave up at 3.07
[14:00] <daveake> lol
[14:01] <daveake> With 9 cu.m of helium I could get a really big balloon ... "We're heading for Venus" :)
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[14:03] <Darkside> you should really be powering your cutdown device from a second battery
[14:03] <Darkside> in case something goes wrong
[14:04] <daveake> I was thinking about that. I have a separate battery for the camera. I'll test with that to see if it's up to the job.
[14:04] <Darkside> yeah, you really shouldn't be powereing it from teh same source as the telemetry
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[14:05] <Darkside> telemetry is your primary system, everything else is secondary
[14:05] <daveake> indeed
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[14:06] <daveake> The main batteries ought to be fine really - 0.15 ohms internal resistance so at 1 amp they'll lose about half a volt, and the processor will still be fine with that.
[14:06] <daveake> But yes I see the risk
[14:07] <TimZaman> can someone maybe change the spacenearus tracker announcement to my launch on sunday 12:00 dutch time? 600baud.
[14:07] <Darkside> sure
[14:07] <Darkside> what did you want in the title exactly
[14:08] <Darkside> i.e. what mission name, and what subtext
[14:09] <TimZaman> How about, "TU Delft SSDV Launch" - Launch on 2011-Sep-11 1200CEST select PD4TA and autoconfigure (600 baud 600Hz shift 8n2 434.653 MHz)
[14:10] <TimZaman> thanks a million
[14:10] <Darkside> ok
[14:10] <TimZaman> :)
[14:10] <TimZaman> my 1600 grammers are in btw
[14:11] <daveake> I'm going to want "Buzz1 - to 40575 metres - and beyond!" ;)
[14:11] <Darkside> lol
[14:11] <Darkside> suuuure
[14:11] <daveake> :)
[14:11] <Dutch-Mill> Go for it
[14:11] <Darkside> anyway, its done
[14:11] <daveake> Hey, if it takes photos from around 40km, I'll be a happy boy
[14:12] <Dutch-Mill> Tim de you need any help sunday
[14:12] <TimZaman> Dutch-Mill: waaauw cool to see you here!
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[14:12] <TimZaman> We need your tracking skills on sunday. you helped out great last year.
[14:13] <TimZaman> you are located near the hague right
[14:13] <Dutch-Mill> Not sure jet, depends on te 'family programme'. Whats the location for the launch ... Delft ?
[14:14] <Dutch-Mill> s'Geavenzande
[14:14] <Dutch-Mill> s'Gravenzande
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[14:15] <TimZaman> Delft, yes, university terrain
[14:16] <TimZaman> Darkside: i believe the autoconfigure also says my thing is at 1200 baud, but its 600. is that changable?
[14:16] <Darkside> i can't do that
[14:16] <Darkside> ask Randomskk
[14:17] <Randomskk> I can't do that while at work
[14:17] <TimZaman> rgr
[14:17] <TimZaman> Well we still have two days no rush
[14:17] <Randomskk> bug me in three hours
[14:17] <Dutch-Mill> I let you know if come to Delft or stay @home and do some tracking
[14:17] <Randomskk> not sure fldigi can do 1200 baud
[14:17] <Randomskk> uh
[14:17] <Randomskk> can autoconfigure to 1200 baud that is
[14:19] <TimZaman> Randomskk: fpshil updated it yesterday
[14:19] <TimZaman> Yep.
[14:19] <Randomskk> TimZaman: your version, but most people won't be running that
[14:22] <TimZaman> True
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[15:02] <fsphil> TimZaman, sunday launch?
[15:03] <NigelMoby> Boo
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[15:04] <NigelMoby> Lol hey Phil
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[15:09] <TimZaman> fsphil: yes
[15:09] <TimZaman> definately
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[15:15] <TimZaman> fsphil omg cannot get spectravue to work on my other laptop, neither does dl-fldigi accept portaudio for some reason (stays grey), while in fldigi it does work
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[15:27] <TimZaman> So once every X hours, my microsd card has been overloaded (beagleboard 'hd'); then it doesnt accept write commands anymore, and the script can then do very little. Is it a good idea to let everything run in /dev/shm? and them copy that to the hd? would that work, or is /dev/shm also RAM?
[15:27] <TimZaman> *also SWAP?
[15:28] <Randomskk> maybe get a better micro SD card?
[15:28] <TimZaman> yeah it's ADATA and its a piece of crap
[15:28] <TimZaman> 16gb "class 10"
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[15:28] <TimZaman> super fast, And super unreliable crap
[15:28] <TimZaman> though still, other microsds might have the same problem, ofcourse
[15:28] <Randomskk> they're not exactly expensive these days
[15:29] <Randomskk> get a nice sandisk or something
[15:29] <TimZaman> i have a 8gb sandisk..
[15:29] <TimZaman> but thats a class4
[15:29] <TimZaman> this should be an 16gb class 10
[15:29] <TimZaman> but still random, lets say it can occur at any microsd, because it is used very intensively
[15:30] <Randomskk> microSD cards shouldn't lock up and stop working because they were written to a lot
[15:31] <fsphil-laptop> look how much writing an HD camera does to an sd card :)
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[15:51] <TimZaman> fsphil i understand but maybe im accesing and rewriting and etc?
[15:51] <TimZaman> obviously there is "a" reason.. although after fsck it works again
[15:51] <TimZaman> fsck and a reboot
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[16:27] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ool4gyrJpM0
[16:27] <Laurenceb_> hell yeah
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Did you see that tower?
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[16:29] <kristianpaul> wich one?
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4Xk1mEwmI
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
[16:30] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[16:30] <kristianpaul> Laurenceb_: liste to tari teenage tiot :_D
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Compressors are tools that should be taken away from 99.99% of musicians.
[16:30] <kristianpaul> omg
[16:30] <kristianpaul> SpeedEvil: had you been there that high?
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> kristianpaul: Definately not.
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> I can just about do 7m, at the top of my house.
[16:31] <kristianpaul> ;-)
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[16:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/apollo_17/page2.html
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[19:01] <MickMondo> Hi all & I plan to launch again in the near future, as soon as the weathers OK I guess and just wanted to ask a couple of questions, I've been using baudot so trying to send the check sum is being a pain.. Is it really necessary to use the check sum in the data string ..? or can I just transmit as is ..? here's an e.g. of the layout of the transmitted data string.. ( MONDO,001,12:31:
[19:01] <MickMondo> 45,5132.9798,N,00038.0689,E,000.0,000.0,00050,M,0AS,24TI ) the part after the altitude is ascent speed and inside temp .. I need at least one other person to track the flight but as many as possible would be great .. I use baudot at 425 shift and transmit on 434.525 if anyone would like to help track the launch as and when then great OR if anyone has any advise OR recommendations about
[19:01] <MickMondo> the way I'm transmitting then yeah & let me know.
[19:02] <TimZaman> eh
[19:02] <TimZaman> checksum is absolutely positively neccesary
[19:02] <TimZaman> also you lat & long are too significant
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[19:02] <fsphil-laptop> that's the nmea-style lat and long
[19:03] <TimZaman> also, it might be a better idea, as everyone does here (not obligatory) to get rid of the N and E and minutes
[19:03] <TimZaman> fsphil yep, those indeed are too significant
[19:03] <daveake> (but try and get the +/- bit right if you do) :)
[19:03] <fsphil-laptop> but yea, a checksum is something you should probably do
[19:03] <fsphil-laptop> it's not too difficult either
[19:03] <TimZaman> fsphilwell, if he doesnt use a checksum i dont think he can use the tracker
[19:04] <NigeyS> prod Darkside
[19:04] <GW8RAK> MickMondo, the checksum is there for fldigi to decide if the data string is valid and to pass it through to the map plotting server.
[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> true, dl-fldigi won't upload without it passing a checksum
[19:04] <TimZaman> fsphilalso, my microsd started whining AGAIN "This is a read-filesystem only"
[19:04] <TimZaman> omg
[19:04] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, that's annoying. any others to test?
[19:05] <MickMondo> Ok, cheers .. the trouble with baudot is I can't transmit the ( * ) sign ..
[19:05] <DanielRichman> MickMondo: the checksum is absolutely necessary. There is code on the wiki to trivially add a checksum, especially if you're using an Arduino or something AVR based. If you're writing BASIC for a PIC, then there's code around but I don't know
[19:05] <fsphil-laptop> MickMondo, dl-fldigi will accept a # for the checksum
[19:05] <DanielRichman> MickMondo: with regards to the *; we've used # instead
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[19:06] <TimZaman> I got the baloons from hwoyee, and they're actually 2kg?
[19:06] <fsphil-laptop> when in baudot mode anyway
[19:06] <GW8RAK> Why use baudot?
[19:06] Action: fsphil-laptop hides from DanielRichman :)
[19:06] <DanielRichman> yes indeed. You don't need the speed, and if you did, you'd use a binary protocol
[19:06] <TimZaman> fsphil i have plenty of microsd's, but this one was a class 10 (super fast) 16gb.. bought it especially for this
[19:06] <MickMondo> Oh great...I did wonder if it would
[19:06] <TimZaman> but i'm going for the sandisk 8gb, and to be sure, im going to work with the ram only - then copy back for later on the hd
[19:07] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, worth trying anyway. might not even be the card that's buggy
[19:07] <TimZaman> so that the whole process doesnt go awol
[19:07] <TimZaman> yep
[19:07] <TimZaman> there are no issues with /dev/shm, right?
[19:07] <TimZaman> 500mb seems plenty.
[19:08] <fsphil-laptop> can't think of any issues
[19:08] <fsphil-laptop> as long as you don't fill it
[19:08] <TimZaman> y6
[19:08] <TimZaman> yep
[19:08] <TimZaman> probably faster as well
[19:08] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: so I'm hacking on dl-fldigi, so I'll be replacing the uploader stuff with the habitat uploader. I'll be rewriting the autoconf and perhaps tweaking some of the GPS stuff.
[19:08] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: so; are there a) any things I should change while I'm at it,
[19:09] <MickMondo> I'm using Picaxe with basic so space is a thing but I'm getting there, the # should sort things out, thanks for your help guys.
[19:09] <fsphil-laptop> can't think of anything of the top of my head - rewriting autoconf stuff?
[19:09] <GW8RAK> MickMondo, if you want to change to sending ASCII, I can supply all the code
[19:09] <DanielRichman> autoconf? What needs to change? I'll be adding/removing files from it but didn't forsee having to do anything else
[19:10] <TimZaman> fsphil i have some major problems with dl-fldigi and spectravue for some reason.. maybe you can help for a bit
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[19:10] <fsphil-laptop> ah, just wondered
[19:10] <GW8RAK> Or just the checksum if that's all you need
[19:10] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, what's up?
[19:10] Action: fsphil-laptop is tonight mostly listening to 8-bit tunes. Yea
[19:11] <TimZaman> keygen music?
[19:11] <fsphil-laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PChnIc6Twik
[19:11] <TimZaman> fsphil.. well im going to use two laptops radios and antennas at one location
[19:11] <TimZaman> http://twitpic.com/6icgu6
[19:11] <NigeyS> fsphil-laptop, try some carl cox :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reIuQJq3wvU&feature=related
[19:12] <GW8RAK> Well I'm doing a big mail merge at work and the printer head keeps needing cleaning.
[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> printers are evil
[19:12] <MickMondo> I'd like to see the code, yeah ..
[19:13] <GW8RAK> Let me know your email address MickMondo and I'll email it to you over the weekend.
[19:13] <TimZaman> fsphil when starting spectravue it says
[19:13] <TimZaman> err module importdell library MFC43.dell and MSVCP60.dll not found
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> I didn't get a copy of the projectcirrus code, they used a basic stamp and had an 8-bit checksum. though better to use the 16-bit one
[19:13] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: I also think I'm going to use git submodules to add habitat_extensions (with the cpp uploader code in it) to dl-fldigi, then just build it straight in. Is that OK with you?
[19:13] <MickMondo> OK, cheers for that.. nice one.. its Mjc3659@aol.com
[19:13] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, ah you just need to run winetricks to install the mfc stuff
[19:14] <TimZaman> how :)
[19:14] <DanielRichman> q
[19:14] <TimZaman> ive been looking at winetricks already
[19:14] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, can't think of any issues - never done it before though :)
[19:14] <DanielRichman> oh, me neither :P
[19:15] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[19:15] <TimZaman> found it phil
[19:15] <fsphil-laptop> ah, too quick for me
[19:15] <fsphil-laptop> I was hoping it was still in my bash_history
[19:15] <GW8RAK> Thanks MickMondo, if you don't get something from me, remind me. I've got a memory like a sieve.
[19:16] <GW8RAK> If I write something down, I'll forget where I've put the piece of paper.
[19:16] <MickMondo> ha ha, ok will do..
[19:16] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, was going to say carl cox had lost a lot of weight but that wasn't carl cox.
[19:16] <GW8RAK> Hate inkjet printers for big print runs. Heads need cleaning every 15 pages
[19:17] <GW8RAK> Perhaps a cheap laser printer should be on the shopping list.
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[19:17] <fsphil-laptop> lasers are cool
[19:18] <GW8RAK> Don't normally have problems, but timewise, I've spent 4 hours so far, so a £50 laser must be better
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, the submodule thing, would it be a transparent thing? like- would it get cloned properly when just cloning the dl-fldigi repo
[19:18] <fsphil-laptop> in saying that, our laser at work fails at least 3 times a week
[19:19] <GW8RAK> I only do a few prints a day, but every few months, there are new price lists or mailings to get out.
[19:19] <DanielRichman> fsphil-laptop: I think... yes, but you have to type git submodule init after cloning or something
[19:19] <DanielRichman> Git handles a lot of the complex stuff
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[19:19] <DanielRichman> it's certainly easier than having to clone two repos
[19:20] <DanielRichman> and put them in the right location/tell each other where they are etc.
[19:20] <DanielRichman> and/or compile cpp_connector to a .a as a dependency
[19:20] <GW8RAK> Now it's telling me I need to replace the magenta cartridge when I'm only printing black.
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[19:27] <TimZaman> fsphil what should i do again if my spectravue doesnt show up in pulseaudio :(
[19:29] <TimZaman> NM!
[19:29] <TimZaman> had to press start
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> yep :)
[19:31] <GW8RAK> Bloody printer is now putting splodges of ink on the page. Time to go home I think
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[19:35] <TimZaman> fsphil nooo dlfldigi still doesnt sdhow me the portaudio options..?
[19:35] <TimZaman> while fldigi does
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[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> you're missing something
[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> oh
[19:36] <fsphil-laptop> boy my wifi signal is choppy tonight
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[19:37] <TimZaman> fsphil portaudio? fldigi? what was it
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[19:37] <fsphil-laptop> you're missing some dependencies
[19:37] <fsphil-laptop> what os?
[19:37] <TimZaman> ubuntu
[19:38] <fsphil-laptop> did you run apt-get build-dep fldigi ?
[19:38] <TimZaman> afraid not
[19:38] <TimZaman> shame
[19:38] <TimZaman> thanks again
[19:39] <TimZaman> also, for some reasxon 1200bd works again, kinda
[19:39] <fsphil-laptop> re-run configure after that, it should pick up portaudio
[19:39] <TimZaman> so it will be, [10x (320x240) at 600bd] then [1x (800x600) at 1200bd]
[19:39] <fsphil-laptop> odd
[19:39] <TimZaman> in between every package will be the gps string, except for the 1200db, that goes in one long go
[19:45] <daveake> Question for anyone who knows ... I've added a GPS receiver to my netbook and set up dl-fldigi so it gets the location from that. How do I now get the map to show the netbook location as a chase car instead of a radio mast?
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[19:45] <DanielRichman> daveake: put chase_ in the chase car callsign
[19:45] <daveake> Ah, thanks :)
[19:46] <DanielRichman> this will be changing eventually so that callsigns on The Chase Car List show up for certain flights, etc.
[19:46] <DanielRichman> but for now that will work :-)
[19:46] <daveake> Cheers
[19:47] <daveake> btw the latest data isn't showing on the map. Is that because the Tx message "count" field has started from 1 again? The status bar says "Received 1 position" but the panel has data from last night.
[19:47] <DanielRichman> are you sending new strings?
[19:47] <daveake> Yes
[19:47] <DanielRichman> i.e., has it got a lock yet
[19:47] <daveake> Yes
[19:47] <daveake> Data looks just fine. dl-fldigi says it's uploading sentences
[19:48] <DanielRichman> give me a second
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> think we should change dl-fldigi to upload again even if there is no lock
[19:48] <DanielRichman> btw daveake I'll be able to setup your Flight Mode stuff before you launch; if it isn't done on the day before then nudge me. But I can't do it this weekend
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> the data fields might still be useful
[19:49] <daveake> No problem if not, but that would be cool
[19:49] <daveake> One leeeetle thing - pressure label should be Pa not hPa
[19:49] <DanielRichman> ok daveake habitat is parsing and passing the data to spacenear.us correctly, it would appear. I believe spacenear.us uses the count variable in the way that you've guessed.
[19:49] <daveake> OK, so can I clear the olde data?
[19:49] <DanielRichman> solution: clear the data. I can do it or you can... do you know how?
[19:50] <daveake> No, but happy to do it if you tell me
[19:50] <DanielRichman> daveake: refresh
[19:51] <DanielRichman> ... aaand refresh again to see pressure with (Pa) instead of (hPa)
[19:51] <daveake> Cheers :)
[19:52] <daveake> I'll do the chase_ thing then I'll start uploading again
[19:52] <fsphil-laptop> I keep thinking I see "DAVECAKE" on the tracker when I first load it up
[19:52] <DanielRichman> inb4 lie
[19:52] <fsphil-laptop> the dave is a lie
[19:52] <DanielRichman> you.... lose... I guess?
[19:54] <daveake> mmmmCake
[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> cool, can see the updates with _changes
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[20:12] <TimZaman> ffs why cant i capture to ram with uvccapture? "uvccapture -o/dev/shm " doesnt work.
[20:13] <TimZaman> gives no error but puts out nothing
[20:13] <fsphil-laptop> you haven't give it a file name?
[20:14] <TimZaman> yeah i have
[20:15] <TimZaman> in verbose it actually says clearly "Saving image to: /dev/shm/22342341.jpg"
[20:15] <TimZaman> aaaaaaaaaaah
[20:15] <TimZaman> Hidden, is it!
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> sneaky
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[20:16] <TimZaman> nope
[20:16] <TimZaman> works SOMETIMES
[20:16] <TimZaman> weird sheit
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[20:18] <TimZaman> o i got it.. it doesnt work when i save it in a folder in shm.. weeeird
[20:20] <DanielRichman> auto_ptrs are gooooood.
[20:22] <TimZaman> sweet does work as root
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[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> libcurl arr streaming zee changes data
[20:29] <fsphil-laptop> now I need a C json parser
[20:30] <DanielRichman> jsoncpp
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[20:30] <DanielRichman> oh... :-(
[20:30] <DanielRichman> well jsoncpp is great! and I'm using it for habitat-dlfldigi
[20:30] <Randomskk> haha
[20:30] <Randomskk> fsphil-laptop: yajl
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[20:31] <fsphil-laptop> Randomskk, thinking that, seems fairly sane. though callbacks
[20:31] <DanielRichman> hmm. re < DanielRichman> auto_ptrs are gooooood. <-- I'm now trying to use a deque of auto_ptrs, and bad things are happening :D
[20:31] <Randomskk> haha oh god
[20:32] <DanielRichman> I know what you're thinking; and I'd rather have a deque of <Base class> but I really have Base class => 5 sub classes representing different things that the Uploader might be asked to do asynchronously
[20:32] <DanielRichman> so deque, woo! ... anyway: "bad things" are "it compiles but complains about const correctness". Which probably means that I'm using an operator wrong
[20:33] <Randomskk> oh const
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[20:33] <DanielRichman> oh, no, g++ doesn't let you get away with that
[20:33] <Randomskk> C has all these things like const
[20:33] <Randomskk> which are okay quite clever
[20:33] <Randomskk> and okay less than java which is like
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[20:33] <DanielRichman> const final virtual volatile override static public protected method(const blah blhab blah arg) {
[20:34] <Randomskk> static final const private friendly long unsigned volatile Java.Base.Types.StringTypes.UnicodeStringTypes.UTF16.UTF16String myLongStringWithASillyName = "hi";
[20:34] <Randomskk> okay so you had more legitimate qualifiers
[20:35] <Randomskk> but I had a better type
[20:35] <Randomskk> draw?
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[20:37] <TimZaman> two radios!
[20:37] <TimZaman> workin!
[20:37] <TimZaman> And my god, my netbook is FAST
[20:37] <TimZaman> Not
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[20:38] <fsphil-laptop> see the two receivers on the live page
[20:39] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: :D
[20:39] <TimZaman> we got lock
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[20:40] <TimZaman> fsphil. simple trick, you cant make folders when not root. so i just root everything
[20:40] <DanielRichman> whoa
[20:40] <TimZaman> whats up with the server
[20:40] <TimZaman> im uploading sentences
[20:40] <TimZaman> but doesnt get through
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> I'm seeing changes coming though my streamy test app
[20:41] <fsphil-laptop> no idea what payload though
[20:41] <TimZaman> Is someone working on the tracker or something?
[20:41] <Randomskk> [2011-09-09 20:41:36,425] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: ValueError from UKHAS: 'No configuration document for callsign 'PD4TA' found.'
[20:41] <DanielRichman> TimZaman: you're uploading test data?
[20:41] <DanielRichman> oh right.
[20:41] <TimZaman> daniel yup
[20:42] <DanielRichman> ... but there is
[20:42] <TimZaman> should i stop?
[20:42] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: maybe we should make the tail of the log file web accessible
[20:42] <DanielRichman> if you upload the same string twice then it will be ignored the second time
[20:42] <Randomskk> will it?
[20:42] <DanielRichman> well... no, actually it will
[20:42] <DanielRichman> ignore me
[20:42] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: what log file
[20:42] <Randomskk> parser
[20:42] <Randomskk> oh
[20:42] <Randomskk> it doesn't make one atm
[20:42] <Randomskk> but it should
[20:42] <Randomskk> and it should be online :P
[20:42] <DanielRichman> OK
[20:42] <Randomskk> anyway the problem is the launch window for PD4TA has ended
[20:42] <DanielRichman> aha
[20:43] <DanielRichman> good: it's working
[20:43] <Randomskk> made it sandbox
[20:43] <Randomskk> there we go
[20:43] <Randomskk> [2011-09-09 20:43:15,354] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from PD4TA succesfully
[20:43] <DanielRichman> okay. When we start enforcing one-doc-per-flight-or-sandbox then we can crawl back through old flight docs and prune test data, and split flights if two have gone under one doc
[20:43] <DanielRichman> then add rjh's massive archive :P
[20:43] <Randomskk> sounds good
[20:48] <TimZaman> phil, please keep the .exe that you sent with dl-fldigi up
[20:48] <TimZaman> i am sending the lkink to some hams
[20:50] <fsphil-laptop> k
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[21:01] <fsphil-laptop> TimZaman, be sure to mention it's a beta
[21:02] <TimZaman> Nah
[21:02] <TimZaman> its just 3 people
[21:03] <TimZaman> dont know many hams
[21:05] <TimZaman> anyone know a nice function that makes your linux system reset every X hours?
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> cron?
[21:06] <TimZaman> indeed
[21:06] <TimZaman> 0 4 * * * /sbin/shutdown -r +5 something like that
[21:06] <TimZaman> but how does one do "3 hours after boot"
[21:06] <fsphil-laptop> at maybe
[21:06] <Randomskk> `at`
[21:06] <Randomskk> oh hi fsphil-laptop
[21:07] Action: fsphil-laptop waves :)
[21:07] <Randomskk> TimZaman: cronjob @reboot schedule a task on at to reboot in three hours
[21:07] Action: fsphil-laptop go eat
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> TimZaman: mechanics timer power switch
[21:07] <TimZaman> how then
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> *mechanical
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> plug PC in and your done
[21:08] <TimZaman> or i cut cut the wire
[21:08] <TimZaman> then resoder it
[21:08] <TimZaman> resolder
[21:08] <Laurenceb__> yeah or that
[21:08] <Laurenceb__> or just throw it out of the window and buy a new system- works for me
[21:09] <TimZaman> youre pulling my leg
[21:09] <TimZaman> so..
[21:10] <TimZaman> Randomskk: @reboot .. then what
[21:10] <Randomskk> dunno
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[21:10] <Randomskk> man at
[21:10] <DanielRichman> @reboot shutdown -r +999999999
[21:10] <DanielRichman> where 99999999 is seconds?
[21:11] <TimZaman> omg thats a smart one
[21:11] <DanielRichman> nah
[21:11] <TimZaman> yes seconds
[21:11] <Randomskk> that's a lot of seconds
[21:11] <TimZaman> 10k would be fine
[21:11] <DanielRichman> at would be neater
[21:11] <TimZaman> how would one do that
[21:11] <DanielRichman> < Randomskk> man at
[21:11] <TimZaman> you have "@hourly" but not "@threehourly"
[21:12] <DanielRichman> nono; @reboot at <some stuff>
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[21:12] <DanielRichman> but you can 0 4,7,10,13,16 etc * * * reboot
[21:12] <russss> 0 */3 * * *
[21:12] <russss> will do something every 3 hours
[21:12] <TimZaman> "*/5 in the hours field would mean the command runs every 5 hours."
[21:13] <DanielRichman> ... why do you want to reboot every 3 hours (just curious)
[21:13] <TimZaman> :)
[21:13] <Randomskk> however that's on every fifth hour, not every five hours
[21:13] <DanielRichman> russss: :D cool
[21:13] <Randomskk> midnight, 5am, 10am, 3pm, 8pm, uhmwhat
[21:13] <TimZaman> Daniel, for calimities
[21:13] <russss> Randomskk: true
[21:13] <Randomskk> TimZaman: you just might be doing linux wrong
[21:13] <DanielRichman> :D
[21:13] <Randomskk> russss: what would it actually do after that? keep going until the hours match up again? when does it start?
[21:14] <TimZaman> (1) the SD can get stuck (no write operations anymore) - (2) if the thing falls hard or something i want it to reboot to make sure the GPRS stuff will still work/get reset if needed
[21:14] <russss> I think it does it in hours which are divisible by 5
[21:14] <russss> so there would be an uneven gap
[21:14] <Randomskk> ah
[21:14] <Randomskk> yea
[21:14] <russss> cron has no state beyond the crontabs themselves
[21:14] <Randomskk> yea
[21:15] <DanielRichman> okay; fair enough
[21:15] <TimZaman> im confused.
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[21:15] <Randomskk> TimZaman: just put "0 */3 * * * reboot" in root's cron or something
[21:15] <Randomskk> or put root and put it in system crontab
[21:15] <Randomskk> or whatever
[21:16] <Randomskk> for your purposes every third hour is as good as every three hours really
[21:16] <TimZaman> not if it occurs half an hour after launch?
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[21:16] <Randomskk> meh, it'd reboot, right?
[21:16] <Randomskk> so then it'd come back on again
[21:16] <Randomskk> how long does boot take?
[21:16] <TimZaman> 1 min
[21:17] <Randomskk> that's like a string or two
[21:17] <DanielRichman> which computer is this?
[21:17] <Randomskk> beagleboard iirc
[21:17] <TimZaman> beaglebizzle
[21:17] <DanielRichman> oh
[21:17] <Randomskk> I still think you should just fix the SD card issue
[21:17] <TimZaman> tried to order a panda, they were out.
[21:17] <TimZaman> Randomskk: yeah i'm on it
[21:17] <DanielRichman> that explains a lot
[21:17] <TimZaman> i'm installing a 8gb class 4 Sandisk now, as you said
[21:17] <TimZaman> but in any case, i already had a 4gb spare HD in case things get bad
[21:17] <Randomskk> I got an 8gb sandisk class 4 microSD in the post today
[21:17] <Randomskk> I think I've lost it already
[21:18] <TimZaman> haha
[21:18] <Randomskk> shouldn't have taken it out of the packaging until I needed it
[21:18] <TimZaman> i actually ran some benchmarks, and the 8gb class4 was really nice
[21:18] <Randomskk> seriously, the thing I'm putting it in better turn up tomorrow morning or I'll be ordering a new µSD card
[21:18] <TimZaman> a very steady 7mb/s readrate, and average acces time 1.4ms
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[21:19] <DanielRichman> I want to put a raspberry pi in a balloon, hook it up to an AVR, and start X. Then downlink via sstv the desktop, uplink mouse coords and click commands... the AVR can do the io
[21:20] <DanielRichman> cloud computing.
[21:20] <Randomskk> +1
[21:21] <TimZaman> :D
[21:21] <daveake> :)
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[21:25] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/private/xmnwo0qpzrp45rnss9cq <-- ok so first bit demonstrates the operator= in auto_ptr and how it 'transferrs ownership of the thing pointed to'.
[21:25] <DanielRichman> second bit: :-(
[21:26] <Randomskk> that is kind of magic though
[21:26] <DanielRichman> essentially I want a deque of 'things', which have to be pointers or references because I'm using inheritance from a base class, and I'd like it if the pointers were automatically freed when the deque was destroyed (auto_ptr). The fact that I can setup an auto_ptr when creating the object and keep it in there while I create it incase something rasises an execption, then just push it back and have the first auto ptr r
[21:27] <DanielRichman> I guess I'm going to haev to just empty the deque in the deconstructor and have a deque of pointers ... :-(
[21:27] <Randomskk> cut off at "have the first auto ptr r"
[21:27] <DanielRichman> ... have the first auto ptr released and the escond setup is just an added bonus
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[21:28] <Randomskk> http://prashanth-cpp.blogspot.com/2007/07/don-ever-mix-arrays-with-autoptr.html
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[21:29] <DanielRichman> that's auto pointing to an array, rather than an array of auto pointers, but the title may still be valid :P
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[21:34] <DanielRichman> because you can't: class BaseClass { virtual void something(); }; class DerivedOne : public BaseClass {}; class DerivedTwo : public BaseClass {};
[21:34] <DanielRichman> deque<BaseClass> test; test.push_back(DerivedOne());
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[21:35] <Randomskk> ah
[21:36] <Randomskk> class Base(object): pass; class Derived(Base): pass; [Derived()] >___>
[21:36] <DanielRichman> :-(
[21:37] <Randomskk> wait, hang on
[21:37] <Randomskk> you can't do what you put?
[21:37] <Randomskk> I'm sure I've made vectors of class objects before
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[21:37] <Randomskk> oh
[21:37] <Randomskk> oh I see
[21:38] <DanielRichman> you can't push a derived class into a vector of the base class because it will copy the object
[21:38] <Randomskk> but you've got a deque of type BaseClass and are trying to put Deriveds in it
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[21:38] <Randomskk> yea, and then you lose the type information
[21:38] <Randomskk> I see
[21:38] <Randomskk> :(
[21:38] <DanielRichman> I think the auto_ptr problem is because push_back(const &arg); but the copy constructor of auto_ptr does not take a const argument, since it modifies the RHS in order to transfer pointer ownership
[21:39] <Randomskk> right, yea
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[21:40] <TimZaman> Well, the RAM idea seems to be a success. have been sending stuff nonstop for >2hrs now
[21:40] <TimZaman> anyway, im off to sleep
[21:40] <TimZaman> fsphil thanks for setting up the header in the ssdv site
[21:40] <TimZaman> you can clean up the crap (images) any time you want
[21:40] <TimZaman> you are probably getting tired of the vase and the plant
[21:40] <DanielRichman> Standard Library containers must store only objects that are copy-constructible and assignable. auto_ptr , as you may recall, is neither copy-constructible nor assignable.
[21:40] <DanielRichman> D:
[21:41] <Randomskk> D:
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[21:51] <DanielRichman> ... I'm gonna create my own auto ptr... this is gonna go badly
[21:52] <Randomskk> that sounds like such a great idea
[21:52] <Randomskk> are you sure there's not something like auto_ptr but different that would work?
[21:52] <Randomskk> smart_ptr?
[21:52] <DanielRichman> hmm; that looks good, but I'm not linking with boost
[21:53] <Randomskk> if you're not already doing it then it's like the worst thing
[21:53] <Randomskk> but boost is all sorts of happy for c++ (I'm told)
[21:54] <DanielRichman> yeah boost looks very very nice. It's got everything you want libstdc++ to have :P
[21:54] <DanielRichman> it's got all the mutex stuff that I wrote for myself
[21:55] <Randomskk> on the other hand
[21:55] <Randomskk> I read a thing the other day that pointed out that exchanging local complexity for global complexity isn't always a good thing
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[21:56] <DanielRichman> So I could subclass auto_ptr and add a copy constructor that doesn't transfer ownership and can therefore be const.
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[21:56] <DanielRichman> I'd have to ensure that the original was released or it would self destruct
[21:56] <DanielRichman> wait.... pop_front() would instantly destroy whatever it pointed to
[21:56] <DanielRichman> argh
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[21:57] <Randomskk> perhaps architecture your list differently
[21:57] <NigeyS> :@
[21:58] <NigeyS> how much do i hate php developers tonight
[21:58] <Randomskk> haha
[21:59] <NigeyS> been hiting a brick wall trying to migrate their cms to the new servers since 11pm last night, and now i get "oh thats just a quirk with the cms i'll fix it tomorrow" :@ b*****d
[22:00] <DanielRichman> so if I had a deque of (normal) pointers; then unless the thread crashed it would only exit after processing all items in the queue and freeing the memory
[22:00] <fsphil-laptop> oh that's not exclusive to php developers :)
[22:00] <NigeyS> lol phil
[22:00] <DanielRichman> so to a reasonable extent I can say that it won't leak memory
[22:00] <NigeyS> he couldve told me though, was up till 4am this morning like...
[22:01] <Randomskk> if the thread crashed would auto_ptrs free the memory anyway?
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[22:01] <Randomskk> ten tests left to write for parser
[22:01] <Randomskk> all hotfix stuff now
[22:02] <Randomskk> though it will require messing about with certificates
[22:02] <Randomskk> actually what am I saying
[22:02] <Randomskk> mock M2Crypto
[22:02] <DanielRichman> nah because I can't use auto_ptrs in my list; so anything waiting int he queue would not be freed
[22:02] <Randomskk> then my certificates can just be 'valid' or 'invalid' hahaha
[22:02] <DanielRichman> :D
[22:02] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: I mean, if you were magically able to
[22:02] <Randomskk> would auto_ptrs free their memory if the thread that held them crashed?
[22:02] <DanielRichman> oh if I could use auto_ptrs it would be perfect
[22:02] <Randomskk> given as they were also allocated in that thread?
[22:03] <DanielRichman> by 'crash' I mean unhandled exception
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[22:03] <DanielRichman> so the auto_ptrs would go. But crashing isn't.... reaaaaaaaaally an issue
[22:03] <DanielRichman> since
[22:03] <DanielRichman> it should abort() the whole process
[22:03] <Randomskk> yea
[22:03] <Randomskk> at which point the OS reclaims all the memory anyway
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[22:12] <Randomskk> hmm mocking M2Crypto is sliightly annoying in that it returns cert objects and all sorts of shit
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[22:25] <Randomskk> hahaha oh no
[22:25] <Randomskk> assert_raises(ValueError, self.parser._normal_filter('test', {'callable': 'this.is.not.a.real.path'}))
[22:25] <Randomskk> but of course
[22:25] <Randomskk> import this
[22:25] <Randomskk> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peteres
[22:26] <DanielRichman> :D
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[22:38] <Upu> evening
[22:38] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnL4fjMzsSU
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[22:44] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[22:44] <fsphil-laptop> love that it worked on the escalator
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[22:47] <Randomskk> haha man
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[22:50] <Upu> yes I thought it was interesting how conditioned we are to respond to a simple thing
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[22:55] <Upu> Tim launching tommorrow ?
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[22:57] <fsphil-laptop> sunday I think
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[23:03] <Upu> ok might give it a go
[23:03] <Upu> 1200 baud...
[23:03] <Upu> should be fun, ok night all
[23:04] <Randomskk> I wonder if my yagi'd have any luck. london kinda gets in the way really
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[23:12] <fsphil-laptop> not sure I'll bother :)
[23:14] <Randomskk> hehe
[23:14] <Randomskk> I haven't rx'd any ssdv yet though
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[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> it worked better than I expected, someone in london was able to decode the images from my last flight
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> though that was 300 baud
[23:15] <fsphil-laptop> not sure what antenna they had either
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Touchpad - at QVC (US)
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[23:35] <NigeyS> do b doo
[23:35] <NigeyS> little bit of soldering before bed i think
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