[00:00] <Hibby> primarily web01, but *02 appears too
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[00:00] <NigeyS> brill, thanks dude, will check if there's any weighting on web01, shouldnt be though, it should be running a least connections rule
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[07:29] <m1x10> I just fount that the founder and CEO of amazon is greek !
[07:29] <m1x10> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos
[07:29] <m1x10> send some money to greece bezos!
[07:29] <Hibby> wowo, this storm is a bit ridiculous
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[07:40] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/on0uZ.gif
[07:42] <Hibby> :D
[07:43] <Hibby> Darkside: morning
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[07:47] <Darkside> mornin Hibby
[07:50] <Hibby> I'm flying back to the UK today
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[08:47] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] PicoAtlas V launch (Mon 5/9/11 11:00BST)"
[08:49] <fsphil> congrats Hibby :)
[08:50] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] PicoAtlas V launch (Mon 5/9/11 11:00BST)"
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[09:16] Action: jcoxon starts payload test now
[09:16] <jcoxon> 10:16
[09:21] <fsphil> any changes with the antenna this time?
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[09:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, Steve has built it
[09:23] <jcoxon> its a 1/4wave
[09:23] <jcoxon> but its tuned a bit better
[09:27] <rjharrison> Morning jcoxon
[09:27] <rjharrison> Back from France
[09:29] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[09:29] <rjharrison> France would be a great place for HAB
[09:29] <rjharrison> So much more rural, well south of france
[09:29] <fsphil> nicer weather too
[09:29] <jcoxon> hehe indeed
[09:30] <daveake> Have any UK HAB launches then been recovered from across the channel?
[09:30] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:30] <jcoxon> i've had 2 recovered
[09:30] <rjharrison> Though recovery without toll roads would take a while
[09:31] <daveake> nice
[09:31] <rjharrison> hehe yeah I remember
[09:31] <daveake> Chase ferry
[09:31] <fsphil> one of those was *saved* by a tree .. who'd have thought
[09:32] <rjharrison> jcoxon, have you seen the NOTAM overlays on the predictor yet?
[09:35] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:38] <rjharrison> It's a bit crowded at the moment and I will try to find some time to filter out based on the advanced options.
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[09:45] <Upu> morning
[09:45] <rjharrison> Yey Upu
[09:46] <Upu> hi rjharrison
[09:46] <Upu> hows the hols been ?
[09:53] <rjharrison> Great
[09:53] <rjharrison> Just been looking at some pics
[09:53] <rjharrison> Need to do a few jobs like lawn mowing and breakfast
[09:54] <rjharrison> Will catch up this evening if your about
[09:54] <Upu> sure
[10:06] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] PicoAtlas V launch (Mon 5/9/11 11:00BST)"
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[10:52] <TimZaman> does anyone have a graph from the darkside balloon? alt/time?
[10:54] <Darkside> yep
[10:54] <Darkside> rfhead.net
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[10:55] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/horus15_5_alt_pressure.png
[10:55] <TimZaman> also, i wish to change my telemetry for next weekends launch
[10:55] <TimZaman> it seems to reject it since i have too many fields as i have now included sattelites, temperature and battery%V
[10:56] <TimZaman> Darkside: -15! thats cold!
[10:57] <Darkside> thats nothing...
[10:58] <Darkside> outside the payload we see temps going down to -70
[10:58] <TimZaman> Darkside: thats some sweet antenna software
[10:58] <TimZaman> what is that
[10:58] <TimZaman> -50 isnt it
[10:59] <Darkside> eh?
[10:59] <Darkside> well, i've seem temps of -70 off met bureau payloads
[10:59] <TimZaman> EZNEC
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[11:00] <TimZaman> oh well allright doesnt matter anyway
[11:00] <Darkside> eh?
[11:00] <Darkside> oh, the antenna stuff
[11:00] <TimZaman> Si
[11:00] <Darkside> yeah i didn't write that post, thats done by another guy
[11:00] <TimZaman> you seem quite the tinkerer
[11:00] <TimZaman> ah
[11:00] <TimZaman> nm ;)(
[11:01] <TimZaman> nm ;)
[11:01] <Darkside> its a blog me and another guy write
[11:02] <TimZaman> looking good
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[11:20] <fsphil> oooh the automated radiosonde launch video is great
[11:20] <TimZaman> which
[11:20] <Darkside> the one on projecthorus?
[11:20] <TimZaman> phil! looky! complete images!
[11:20] <TimZaman> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA
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[11:22] <fsphil> http://projecthorus.org/?p=1785
[11:22] <fsphil> TimZaman, it lives! :)
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[11:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Angus Pearson "Re: [UKHAS] PicoAtlas V launch (Mon 5/9/11 11:00BST)"
[11:23] <TimZaman> fsphil: Yes! i am so happy
[11:23] <TimZaman> but my telemetry doesnt come through, i guess because i have added some comma's for sats', bat%v, temp..
[11:23] <fsphil> 1200 baud judging by the speed its receiving
[11:24] <fsphil> yea you just need to get the payload config changed on habhub
[11:24] <TimZaman> 1200baud it is
[11:24] <TimZaman> also, i gotten the green light from the deacon from aerospace faculty to go on their rooftop next weekend
[11:24] <TimZaman> i mean the dean
[11:25] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] PicoAtlas V launch (Mon 5/9/11 11:00BST)"
[11:25] <fsphil> for tracking?
[11:25] <TimZaman> Yep
[11:25] <TimZaman> its like 20 stories
[11:26] <fsphil> are you not going to be chasing it?
[11:26] <TimZaman> http://www.google.com/imgres?q=delft+aerospace+faculty&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=8TW&channel=fs&biw=1277&bih=857&tbm=isch&tbnid=Q2kW6-RdamzasM:&imgrefurl=http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details%3Fmid%3D9ba41299c15065a6d1fa2446c97285b0&docid=xVbSEiUV7GDfMM&w=500&h=500&ei=TGBjTs6BKYSf-Qbbh8yYCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=175&vpy=220&dur=1870&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=131&ty=103&page=1&tbnh=130&
[11:26] <TimZaman> tbnw=134&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0
[11:26] <TimZaman> No too much work
[11:26] <fsphil> these google links are getting silly
[11:26] <fsphil> lol
[11:26] <TimZaman> sry
[11:27] <fsphil> don't apologise unless you work at google, and did that url format ;-)
[11:27] <fsphil> oh eck that's big
[11:27] <fsphil> knowing the terrain there that'll be excellent
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[11:28] <fsphil> so what's the recovery plan?
[11:28] <TimZaman> but you understand me not chasing?
[11:28] <LazyLeopard> Aye. URL shorteners have their uses...
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[11:28] <TimZaman> it's the second biggest building within 20km or so
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[11:31] <TimZaman> what do you think.. 12 hours of battery time. Too much?
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[11:46] <jcoxon> hey TimZaman
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[11:49] <jcoxon> TimZaman, low alt floating balloon might be coming your way tomorrow during the day
[11:49] <jcoxon> you possibly able to track?
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[12:12] <jcoxon> hey RocketBoy
[12:15] <RocketBoy> hey hey
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[12:15] <RocketBoy> all set for tomorrow
[12:15] <RocketBoy> ?
[12:15] <RocketBoy> I have scouted a few locations on the cliftops here
[12:16] <jcoxon> yeah think so
[12:16] <jcoxon> i'm running the payload right now
[12:16] <jcoxon> with no power saving
[12:16] <jcoxon> continous transmission
[12:16] <RocketBoy> yeah - bo probls - whats the bat duration withot ps
[12:16] <jcoxon> not sure yet
[12:17] <jcoxon> if it does more than 8hrs i think it'll be fine
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[12:18] <jcoxon> has just done 4hrs
[12:18] <RocketBoy> im sure it will - I think I get about 30+ hours out of AAs without o my payloads
[12:18] <RocketBoy> on
[12:18] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:18] <jcoxon> thats what i suspect
[12:19] <jcoxon> do you have 2 balloons?
[12:19] <Darkside> i get 21 hours our of my payloads with 3 AAs atm
[12:19] <Darkside> MicroNut should have about half th ecurrent draw though
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[12:21] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: yes - i'll bring them along and the antenna
[12:21] <jcoxon> phew
[12:22] <jcoxon> i've got 2 left as well
[12:22] <jcoxon> so all i've got to do is add the antenna and then wrap some insulation
[12:23] <RocketBoy> need to get the antenna over beach-hut height at this end - then will have a completely clear view from NE round to S
[12:23] <RocketBoy> are the predictions holding
[12:23] <RocketBoy> ?
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[12:25] <jcoxon> pretty much
[12:25] <jcoxon> hysplit says that once it reaches float i'll curve north
[12:26] <jcoxon> i've tried to recruit more listeners
[12:26] <jcoxon> not really succeding
[12:26] <jcoxon> we'll work it out...
[12:27] <jcoxon> meet at 10:00 at the barn?
[12:28] <fsphil> hehe
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[12:30] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: sure - np
[12:30] <fsphil> shame it's a monday
[12:31] <RocketBoy> just re-ran the forecasts - looks like the path has swung slightly northwards - which should be just about OK as long as it doesn't swing any more
[12:33] <RocketBoy> if it does the rx path from felixstowe will be over orford-ness - which is very low so should be OK
[12:33] <jcoxon> we should climb orford castle
[12:33] <LazyLeopard> Weather forecast here is... soggy...
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[12:34] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats an amazing view from there
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[12:39] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, we'll do the same as last time
[12:39] <jcoxon> if there are showers we'll wait for a gap
[12:40] <jcoxon> we've got a bit of spare mass going
[12:40] <jcoxon> any idea of what we could add?
[12:42] <RocketBoy> jcoxon - got temp?
[12:42] <RocketBoy> pressure?
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[12:43] <jcoxon> nothing like that
[12:43] <jcoxon> but i've got a spare sensor
[12:43] <jcoxon> could add temp
[12:44] <RocketBoy> temp would be good for duration
[12:44] <RocketBoy> BBL
[12:44] <jcoxon> will add it tonight
[12:44] <jcoxon> after a bit more long duration testing
[12:45] <Upu> afternoon
[12:45] <Upu> continious transmission is best transmission jcoxon :)
[12:46] <Upu> ping TimZaman
[12:46] <jcoxon> Upu, hehe
[12:46] <jcoxon> right bbl
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[12:46] <Upu> put an aeriel on this one pls :)
[12:47] <fsphil> lol
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[13:15] <TimZaman> jcoxon what kind of balloon? got info? you mean picoatlas?
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[13:28] <NigelMoby> Meh
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[14:29] <jcoxon> hehe in the top 6 balloon flights there are 3 uk flights
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[14:34] <nickolai> hey jcoxon, for spacenear, I remember seeing somewhere that lat/lon should have signs instead of NSEW, is that right?
[14:34] <eroomde> jcoxon: on which list?
[14:35] <nickolai> hey eroomde
[14:35] <jcoxon> eroomde, arhab max alt
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[14:35] <jcoxon> nickolai, yeah thats the current setup
[14:35] <jcoxon> but
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[14:35] <jcoxon> with the new system it might be possible to fix that server side
[14:36] <jcoxon> could you paste an example string here
[14:36] <eroomde> signs is a bit nicer...
[14:36] <nickolai> sure, 1 sec
[14:36] <eroomde> it actually is a natural mathematical unit
[14:36] <nickolai> i could change to signs fairly easily
[14:36] <eroomde> rather some weirdo thing that needs syntax parsing
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[14:36] <nickolai> $PRHAL,035311.031,1,4025.7718,N,08653.0290,W,178.3*40
[14:36] <jcoxon> eroomde, in theory habitat could cope
[14:36] <eroomde> sure
[14:36] <eroomde> but in theory we could use imperial units
[14:37] <eroomde> there's a moral and ethical point to be made though
[14:37] <jcoxon> nickolai, you going to add another $ to the start?
[14:37] <nickolai> lol
[14:37] <nickolai> yea, already added
[14:37] <jcoxon> okay
[14:37] <nickolai> in the code
[14:37] <jcoxon> okay
[14:37] <jcoxon> well if you can do +/- it would be better
[14:37] <nickolai> alright, i'll set that up
[14:37] <jcoxon> you can keep it as DDMM.mmmm
[14:37] <nickolai> remind me, S is -, and so is E?
[14:38] <nickolai> yay :)
[14:38] <jcoxon> W is -
[14:38] <jcoxon> S is =
[14:38] <nickolai> and if it's N, do I put plus or let it be?
[14:38] <jcoxon> you can leave it be
[14:39] <jcoxon> in the UK we advise having + and - but thats cause we are on the meridian
[14:39] <nickolai> it's easier to put in plus
[14:39] <jcoxon> but you are certainly one side of that
[14:39] <jcoxon> yeah
[14:39] <jcoxon> nickolai, as soon as you are ready get testing
[14:39] <jcoxon> bugs might crop up that are best sorted before hand!
[14:39] <jcoxon> right food
[14:39] <jcoxon> bbl
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[14:40] <nickolai> working on it :)
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[14:46] <Hibby> today, i fly
[14:46] <nickolai> tomorrow?
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[14:53] <eroomde> he sleeps
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[14:57] <Upu> nickolai you can put a + sign I tested it
[14:58] <nickolai> thanks upu
[14:59] <nickolai> i think i'll just put static signs in there, since it's not going to change
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[15:00] <Upu> you never know how far you'll float .. :)
[15:00] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/TfxavpUE
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[15:02] <nickolai> if i float that far, i think i'll be giving up the idea of retrieval.... :)
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[15:08] <eroomde> where are you launching from?
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[15:11] <m1x10> hi
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[15:32] <TimZaman> any winds towards holland?
[15:32] <TimZaman> if you caunch from cantebury??..
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[15:42] <NigeyS> smea, for the love of god please change you're isp! :)
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[15:48] <Hibby> NigeyS: *your ISP
[15:48] <Hibby> :p
[15:48] <NigeyS> bah :p
[15:48] <Hibby> it looks a bit like ohio doesn't want me to fly
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[15:49] <NigeyS> :o they're kidnapping you? :o
[15:50] <Hibby> no, there's just been a fuck off massive storm system floating overhead since last night
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[15:50] <TimZaman> Hibby: i once ordered a package from Ohio. I actually got a very big bag from the mailman, containing all the packages from ohio sent to this region that day, haha
[15:50] <TimZaman> Hibby: at least its nothing bureaucratic.
[15:50] <Hibby> ahaha, awesome
[15:50] <Hibby> TimZaman: ...yet
[15:50] <TimZaman> you can overcome a storm
[15:51] <TimZaman> sticking it to the man is different :)
[15:53] <Hibby> i hope the required amount of mansticking for today's travel is minimal
[15:53] <Hibby> the tsa already don't like
[15:53] <TimZaman> :)
[15:53] <Hibby> me...
[15:53] <TimZaman> if you were tsa you would like yourself either
[15:54] <Hibby> ahaha
[15:54] <Hibby> we were having a nice chat, he was like you from england?
[15:54] <Hibby> I said Scotland yes.
[15:54] <Hibby> He was just like... they're the same thing
[15:54] <Hibby> I was like lololol
[15:54] <Hibby> that was fine
[15:54] <Hibby> then he was like...
[15:54] <TimZaman> hahaha
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[15:54] <Hibby> Sir, don't scratch your head like that. It makes you look overly nervous
[15:55] <Hibby> I was just like... lool.... oh, no jokes this time
[15:55] <TimZaman> hahahahaha!
[15:55] <TimZaman> omg are they seriously considering the slight possibility that you are a terrorist?
[15:55] <fsphil> "The TSA ... cause flying isn't scary enough"
[15:55] <Hibby> well, you know us skirt wearers
[15:56] <TimZaman> i'm not sure terrorists will get HAB permits.
[15:56] <Hibby> yeah, it still fux with my mind that I'll be trying to sleep in a metal tube at 500mph 35000 feet up
[15:56] <TimZaman> "a terrorist strike has been averted because terrorists have not been granted a HAB permit"
[15:56] <Hibby> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[15:57] <Hibby> sink is having a bubbles crissis
[15:57] <Hibby> thatnks for distracting me, ulhas
[15:57] <Hibby> DAMN KEYBOARD
[15:57] <fsphil> oh shush bot
[15:57] <Hibby> it's on its last legs
[15:58] <fsphil> you bringing many goodies back?
[15:58] <Hibby> nah, the travel agents sucked all my goodies monies
[15:58] <Hibby> by being incompetent
[15:58] <Hibby> got some new shoes and a nook colour
[15:59] <fsphil> nice
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[15:59] <fsphil> that's got the e-ink screen yea?
[15:59] <Hibby> nope
[16:00] <Hibby> that's the eminently hackable android toy
[16:01] <Hibby> sharing setting "people with link"
[16:01] <Hibby> ok... where's the link to share, then?
[16:02] <Hibby> re: bubble crisis: https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=5e25737ac4bb4524&page=play&resid=5E25737AC4BB4524!225&authkey=nrWYWL7b02Q%24
[16:02] <fsphil> lol
[16:02] <fsphil> needs more bubbles!
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[16:04] <fsphil> you appear to have a bottle of "ANN"
[16:05] <Hibby> rootbeer
[16:05] <fsphil> what is that? sounds awful
[16:07] <Hibby> oh man, it's so good
[16:07] <Hibby> it's this weird type of american soda that tastes kind of vanilla-ish
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[16:08] <fsphil> I may have tasted something like that before, though it wasn't called that
[16:10] <Hibby> coke vanilla?
[16:10] <Hibby> it's just another fizzy drink, really.
[16:11] <fsphil> can't remember, was eons ago
[16:11] <Hibby> lol
[16:12] <fsphil> right, time for some very hot curry! brb :)
[16:12] Action: SpeedEvil has been up ladders pressure-washing.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> It's 'summer'
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> But it canbe remarkably cold.
[16:16] <russss> root beer tastes a bit like Dandelion & Burdock (to me, at least. I hate them both :)
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[16:24] <NigeyS> meh
[16:24] <NigeyS> whos fairly familiar with mysql ?
[16:25] <Randomskk> uhm
[16:25] <Randomskk> as a sql database or as a server program?
[16:26] <Randomskk> once upon a time I used it extensively for both
[16:27] <NigeyS> server
[16:28] <NigeyS> what i want to do is allow access only to the 2 web servers via their ip, but serverwide not individualally set via every new database
[16:28] <NigeyS> so im looking for a global access host command i guess ?
[16:28] <Randomskk> as I understood it, that was usually done by firewalls
[16:28] <Randomskk> setup iptables rules to only allow those two IPs access to the database port.
[16:29] <Randomskk> there might be a way to do it inside mysql
[16:29] <Randomskk> but that said you presumably have iptables setup and running anyway and then it's two fairly simple rules and you're away
[16:30] <Hibby> bag more or less packed
[16:30] <Hibby> not wearing socks
[16:30] <Hibby> all socks packed
[16:30] <Hibby> :(
[16:30] <Randomskk> :(
[16:31] <Hibby> perhaps advertising im affiliated with hackerspaces around the world isn't a good thing to have on the public facing bits on my bags either
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[16:39] <eroomde> 'A programmer often loves the economy of expression available in the C language.'
[16:39] <eroomde> lol. One of the perils of reading unix manuals from the 80s ^
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[16:41] <LazyLeopard> Heh. If they've come from the COBOL world... ;)
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[16:51] <nickolai> *sigh* day before launch and the gps starts freaking out again
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[16:53] <eroomde> nickolai: always the way :)
[16:53] <eroomde> from where are you launching?
[16:54] <nickolai> IN
[16:54] <Hibby> I hear it's nice
[16:54] <nickolai> what, IN?
[16:54] <Hibby> OH is stormy and grey today
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[16:56] <nickolai> same here actually
[16:56] <nickolai> supposed to be sunny tomorrow
[16:57] <fsphil> was torrential rain here about 10 minutes ago, now the sun is out
[16:58] <fsphil> dog's annoying me looking a walk but it could be snowing by the time I get back
[16:58] <LazyLeopard> Had an hour or so of fairly steady rain around noon.
[16:58] <Hibby> 1at least I know everywhere I fly in the next 15 hours or so is the same
[16:58] <fsphil> lol
[16:59] <Hibby> right, shower time
[17:00] <fsphil> more bubbles!
[17:00] <Hibby> like adventure time
[17:00] <nickolai> my dog pooped in the kitchen today
[17:00] <nickolai> again
[17:00] <Hibby> but with moarwashings
[17:01] <Hiena> Ehehehe...Got working the uni's old measurement payload. Now it's running at 14MHz with DOS4.0...
[17:01] <Hiena> http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6082/6112581720_d12db894f0.jpg
[17:01] <fsphil> nice keyboard
[17:01] <fsphil> love the old clunky ones
[17:01] <Hiena> http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6078/6112042533_39fb694958.jpg
[17:03] <Hiena> It's an RTD CDM8680 superXT board. Full XT compatible, 2MB memory. And no support from the manufacturer, due the has no manual.
[17:03] <Hiena> Tomorrow i'll scan the manual and send them.
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[17:04] <nickolai> it's a good thing i have a second gps unit
[17:05] <nickolai> this inventek is no longer seeing satellites
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[17:19] <nickolai> has anyone used the garmin gps 18x-lvc?
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[17:26] <TimZaman> Hiena: your university is located in russia?
[17:28] <Hibby> no, in mother russia, payload works you.
[17:38] <Hiena> TimZaman: Nope. In hungary.
[17:40] <Hiena> This payload was originaly used measuring the forces of the flexible wings.
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[18:01] <nickolai> what would cause a change in the carrier shift of the ntx2?
[18:02] <Hibby> temperature. Resistor wonkyniess
[18:02] <Hibby> being near the thing
[18:02] <nickolai> my shift is down to about 100hz, and the only change was i'm using a different gps unit
[18:03] <nickolai> and it's not reading correctly
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[18:05] <jcoxon> hey TimZaman , i keep missing you
[18:08] <TimZaman> jcoxon: indeed
[18:08] <TimZaman> and now i have forgotten what to ask
[18:08] <TimZaman> oh yeah
[18:08] <TimZaman> whatsup with the launch
[18:08] <TimZaman> give some info
[18:08] <jcoxon> so its a floating flight
[18:08] <jcoxon> low altitude
[18:08] <jcoxon> about 6km
[18:08] <TimZaman> i'm free and could maybe help for a tick although i dont have a good spot with LOS
[18:08] <jcoxon> its going to come from the UK towards the netherlands
[18:08] <jcoxon> then turn north
[18:08] <TimZaman> from cantebuyry
[18:08] <jcoxon> from suffolk
[18:08] <TimZaman> wheres that
[18:08] <jcoxon> just east of cambridge
[18:09] <TimZaman> ooh
[18:09] <TimZaman> little chance it'll drop down then
[18:09] <jcoxon> it would be great to have some help tracking
[18:10] <TimZaman> yeah but as i said, dont have a LOS, my own place is in the heart of a city
[18:10] <jcoxon> as the low altitude means that the range isn't as good as normal
[18:10] <jcoxon> if you are free and happy to have a go thats all i can ask :-)
[18:10] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=753a1b52fe42c1036e431e9f14608058033771b2
[18:10] <jcoxon> though it won't burst and should float
[18:12] <jcoxon> and will head north towards norway
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[18:20] <Upu> that might be a little out of my range, I guess we can see
[18:20] <nickolai> hey jcoxon, can i go back and edit my genpayload submission after i submit it?
[18:21] <jcoxon> nickolai, if you re-generate a file and send us a copy then we can upload it
[18:21] <nickolai> k, im almost done with the first submission, but in switching gpses my shift mysteriously went from 425 to 100
[18:21] <jcoxon> hmmm thats odd
[18:21] <jcoxon> 100 is quite small
[18:22] <jcoxon> any chance of getting that a bit larger?
[18:22] <nickolai> how would i do that?
[18:22] <nickolai> i can't add resistors, everything is already packaged up
[18:23] <jcoxon> what gps did you switch to?
[18:24] <nickolai> garmin gps-18x lvc
[18:24] <jcoxon> whats you payload based on? stripboard or a pcb?
[18:24] <nickolai> protoshield
[18:25] <jcoxon> running everything at 5v? or 3.3v?
[18:25] <nickolai> 5v
[18:26] <nickolai> where exactly does your concern come from? i.e. why is a small shift not good?
[18:26] <jcoxon> well with a drop in temperature the shift can get smaller
[18:27] <nickolai> o
[18:27] <jcoxon> and if it gets too small the software will struggle to decode it
[18:27] <nickolai> what sort of drops in shift have you seen?
[18:28] <jcoxon> shrinking by about 30hz
[18:28] <nickolai> not knowing what else to do, i think i might just risk it
[18:28] <jcoxon> fair enough
[18:29] <nickolai> i mean, in the config screen the smallest default shift you can select is 23hz....
[18:29] <jcoxon> yeah thats true
[18:29] <jcoxon> but thats for different situations
[18:30] <nickolai> i dunno, this is not good but it works, it decodes just fine and that's enough for me to launch
[18:30] <jcoxon> cool cool
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[18:31] <nickolai> oh and for longitude is it dddmm.mmmm?
[18:31] <jcoxon> can be
[18:32] <jcoxon> just leave it as the nmea way the gps gives it
[18:32] <nickolai> mine is 5.4, so i imagine that format is what i need?
[18:32] <nickolai> i.e. 5 infront of the decimal 4 after
[18:32] <nickolai> for longitude, latitude is 4.4
[18:32] <jcoxon> just feed what ever the gps gives
[18:32] <jcoxon> that'll be fine
[18:36] <nickolai> ok here's the habitat flight doc: http://pastebin.com/CdePgpWf
[18:36] <jcoxon> ping Randomskk, DanielRichman
[18:36] <Randomskk> hi
[18:36] <Randomskk> oh I see
[18:36] <DanielRichman> hey
[18:37] <nickolai> and the xlm doc: http://pastebin.com/EzqpC68n
[18:37] <Randomskk> adding
[18:37] <nickolai> sweet!
[18:37] <Randomskk> done
[18:37] <Randomskk> one day soon people will be able to add their own via an easy happy web interface, and do all sorts of clever stuff
[18:38] <DanielRichman> :D
[18:39] <DanielRichman> we're beginning to be able to do Nice Things with habitat, like if someone asks for <x> data it's much easier to make a view that exports it, etc.
[18:40] <nickolai> nice
[18:40] <nickolai> i just need to figure out how to open fl-digi in hab mode on linux and i'll be rdy to test :)
[18:40] <jcoxon> ./dl-fldigi --hab
[18:40] <jcoxon> do you have fldigi or dl-fldigi?
[18:41] <jcoxon> they are different
[18:41] <nickolai> i think fldigi...
[18:41] <TimZaman> install pulseaudio 'volume control' as well, its pretty neat
[18:41] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[18:41] <nickolai> but i'm pretty sure i've opened it in hab mode before
[18:41] <nickolai> i'll figure it out, thanks for the link
[18:41] <TimZaman> Randomskk: your work is much appreciated though.
[18:41] <nickolai> yes it is
[18:42] <Randomskk> thanks :)
[18:42] <TimZaman> ill pay it forward
[18:42] <Randomskk> it's a big effort from a lot of people, though, really
[18:43] <Randomskk> we all do bits and pieces
[18:43] <jcoxon> good team work
[18:43] <Randomskk> in particular DanielRichman has probably written more of habitat than anyone :P
[18:43] <DanielRichman> ai dunno man. it's quite difficult to measure :P
[18:43] <Randomskk> but like, all of habitat is based on the previous system anyway
[18:43] <DanielRichman> but yeah, open source <3
[18:43] <Randomskk> go team!
[18:44] <TimZaman> yeah, DanielRichman <3
[18:44] <TimZaman> lets start a fanclub
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[18:51] <eroomde> Randomskk: re: 'gcc' on osx
[18:51] <eroomde> there's weirdness going on here
[18:51] <Randomskk> :|
[18:51] <Randomskk> well it's weird to start with, it's not really gcc
[18:51] <Randomskk> also it uses llvm
[18:51] <Hibby> TimZaman: DanielRichman we should start an open source foundation
[18:51] <Randomskk> and clang
[18:51] <Hibby> something to do with free software...
[18:52] <Randomskk> and we could come up with conditions that qualify software to be open?
[18:52] <Randomskk> and maybe some kind of copyright agreement to ensure code stays open source?
[18:52] <eroomde> http://pastie.org/2481983
[18:52] <Hibby> oh man, that sounds awesome
[18:52] <eroomde> so, they link to llvm as we know
[18:52] <eroomde> so not gcc
[18:52] <eroomde> but, different inodes
[18:52] <eroomde> cc and gcc map to different inodes
[18:53] <Randomskk> that's annoying though your pastie is the same thing twice
[18:53] <DanielRichman> can you not get debootstrap for osx :P?
[18:53] <eroomde> oh tits sorry
[18:53] <eroomde> had some wine
[18:53] <eroomde> http://pastie.org/2481988
[18:54] <eroomde> so, cf cc and gcc
[18:54] <Randomskk> I think they are different inodes because they are symlinks
[18:54] <Randomskk> and symlinks are like real files
[18:54] <Randomskk> soft lines.
[18:54] <Randomskk> uugh.
[18:54] <Randomskk> soft links**
[18:54] <Hibby> okay me lovers
[18:54] <eroomde> see, this is not the case on arch for me
[18:54] <Hibby> I shall speak to you all tomorrow
[18:54] <eroomde> cc and gcc are also symlinks
[18:54] <Hibby> when I'll be back in the homeland
[18:54] <eroomde> but with the same inode
[18:55] <eroomde> mind = blown
[18:55] <DanielRichman> maybe that's a pecularity of linux vs BSD? idk.
[18:55] <eroomde> perhaps
[18:55] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/2481991
[18:55] <DanielRichman> uh, there's a letter missing somewhere in there
[18:55] <Randomskk> my symlinks have different inodes
[18:55] <eroomde> yes
[18:56] <eroomde> is that on linux?
[18:56] <Randomskk> yea
[18:56] <Randomskk> ubuntu
[18:56] <DanielRichman> ahaha check this out
[18:56] <DanielRichman> touch a && ln -s a b && ln -s a c && ln c d
[18:57] <DanielRichman> (on linux)
[18:57] <Randomskk> curious
[18:57] <Randomskk> c and d have the same inode
[18:58] <Randomskk> oh
[18:58] <Randomskk> yes
[18:58] <Randomskk> of course
[18:58] <Randomskk> because it's a hardlink
[18:58] <eroomde> http://pastie.org/2482000
[18:58] <eroomde> freebsd
[18:59] <eroomde> oh well, i am happy to live my life without fully understanding what is going on here
[18:59] <DanielRichman> so ln c d suggests that apparently you can forcefully create symlinks with the same inode (like, to save space/inodes?)
[18:59] <DanielRichman> you can't 'modify' symlinks aiui so hardlinking doesn't seem to have any significance besides saving space. I kinda expected linux to group identical symlinks and only use one inode like it does for identical acls
[19:00] <eroomde> there's an error called ELOOP
[19:00] <eroomde> cool
[19:00] <eroomde> when you create then try and resolve circular symlinks
[19:00] <eroomde> this is a voyange of unixy discovery
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> symlinks are inodes which just contain the name of the file.
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> hardlinks are inodes with their own name, that point to another files inode
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[19:02] <SpeedEvil> A file is only deleted once there are no hardlinks to it.
[19:02] <DanielRichman> (which is why the system call for rm is called unlink, right?)
[19:02] <Randomskk> oh is that why git sees symlinks as text files containing the name of the file they link to
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> Hardlinks are essentially a completely seperate filename, with exactly the same rights to the file as the original name.
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: yes
[19:03] <eroomde> yes, i was aware that symlinks and just files with a path inside them
[19:04] <eroomde> i'm trying to see when it breaks now
[19:05] <nickolai> when dl-fldigi is computing the checksum for the $$ sentence, does it include the second $?
[19:05] <DanielRichman> when you create a file at a certain path you actually create a file and its first (and only) hardlink; and then you can add extra new hardlinks with ln which are equally significant
[19:05] <DanielRichman> nickolai: neither $ is included
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: yes
[19:05] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil: nitpick time: the file is only removed when all hardlinks are gone--- and all open fds to it are closed
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: Indeed. Or kernel references.
[19:06] <DanielRichman> which I believe is how some tmpfile things work when they say they create but instantly delete a file
[19:06] <DanielRichman> which is kind of neat
[19:06] <eroomde> ok
[19:06] <eroomde> just had a look in sys/param
[19:06] <eroomde> .h
[19:07] <eroomde> which is in /usr/include on osx at least
[19:07] <eroomde> #define MAXSYMLINKS32
[19:07] <eroomde> #define MAXSYMLINKS 32
[19:07] <eroomde> so i guess that's how many you can nest
[19:08] <DanielRichman> mkdir asdf && cd asdf && ln -s ../asdf asdf; <press enter> cd asdf/<press and hold tab>
[19:08] <eroomde> i'll let you do that
[19:09] <eroomde> and confirm it's 32
[19:09] <Randomskk> haha
[19:09] <Randomskk> oh what
[19:09] <Randomskk> after too many
[19:09] <Randomskk> it goes back to one
[19:09] <DanielRichman> yeah maybe that's bash being kind to you
[19:09] <DanielRichman> like, using realpath() rather than throwing ELOOP
[19:10] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/2482051
[19:11] <eroomde> odd
[19:11] BrainDamage (BrainDamag@i.love.tiltshellz.org) got netsplit.
[19:12] <nickolai> ok, it's verifying checksums now
[19:12] <eroomde> Randomskk: can you try:
[19:12] <eroomde> cat /usr/include/sys/param.h | grep MAXSYMLINKS
[19:12] <eroomde> just ooi
[19:13] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: it doesn't work in `sh`
[19:13] <Randomskk> eroomde: 20
[19:14] <eroomde> oh?
[19:14] <eroomde> oddness 10000
[19:14] <eroomde> to paraphrase LaTeX
[19:18] <nickolai> what do i need to do after dl-fldigi is accepting the sentences?
[19:18] <Randomskk> does it say "uploading" at the bottom? or something?
[19:18] <eroomde> crack open a beer
[19:19] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: we should name the screen sessions parser and spacenearus
[19:19] <Randomskk> PIDs are confusing
[19:19] <Randomskk> anyway nickolai it's not parsing okay
[19:19] <nickolai> yea it does
[19:19] <Randomskk> time value invalid
[19:19] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: good plan. For the meantime, ps fU is godlike
[19:20] <nickolai> it's recording the time value on my end. this gps uses an hhmmss format for time
[19:20] <DanielRichman> I think though that logging to a file might be easier
[19:20] <Hiena> Oh great just missed d^2/4*PI at the plasma area calculation.
[19:20] <Randomskk> oh that too
[19:20] <Randomskk> it probably does that already though
[19:20] <Randomskk> I'm just not looking
[19:20] <Randomskk> why isn't this parsing
[19:20] <nickolai> should the payload appear automatically on the tracker?
[19:21] <DanielRichman> yes
[19:21] <Randomskk> nickolai: yes, but the parser isn't parsing it yet
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[19:21] <Randomskk> because invalid time value
[19:21] <Randomskk> hmm
[19:21] <Randomskk> so I think it's because it needs colons
[19:21] <Randomskk> that's interesting
[19:21] <Randomskk> I thought we didn't need that
[19:21] <jcoxon> can we get habitat to fix that?
[19:21] <Randomskk> oh, yea
[19:21] <Randomskk> but either we implement it as a fix for this payload
[19:21] <Randomskk> or we change time parsing so it doesn't need colons
[19:21] <DanielRichman> we could hotfix it or we change how we parse ti--- yeah that
[19:22] <Randomskk> hivemind etc
[19:22] <Randomskk> uhm, which then
[19:22] <Randomskk> I don't think we should require colons? times can still be validated by checking the hours, minutes etc are sensible values
[19:22] <jcoxon> would mean that we could pull off just transmitting GPGGA sentences
[19:22] <Randomskk> which I don't think we do atm anyway
[19:22] <DanielRichman> mebe both is easier
[19:22] <DanielRichman> like, put changing it on the tasklist and deal with it later
[19:22] <Randomskk> and hotfix it for now? okay
[19:22] <DanielRichman> having said that; is the certificate stuff working easily enough?
[19:22] <Randomskk> do you have a hotfix certificate?
[19:22] <nickolai> i might be able to add colons, it would take a while but i can do it
[19:22] <Randomskk> nickolai: no worries
[19:23] <Randomskk> we can fix it
[19:23] <DanielRichman> no, I don't: I never got around to making one
[19:23] <Randomskk> well change, it's not "fix" really
[19:23] <Randomskk> okay
[19:23] <Randomskk> should probably do that sometime :P
[19:23] <Randomskk> in the meantime let me sort this out then
[19:23] <DanielRichman> indeed I should
[19:23] <DanielRichman> ok cool, thanks :-)
[19:23] <nickolai> actually my gps is only transmitting gpgga sentences, for the curious
[19:23] <jcoxon> nickolai, i mean we could just forward GPGGA strings as RTTY
[19:23] <nickolai> i suppressed all other output because it increased the number of failed sentences
[19:24] <jcoxon> so the call sign would be "GPGGA"
[19:24] <jcoxon> would actually work
[19:24] <nickolai> ah, so the ballooner doesn't really need to parse
[19:24] <Randomskk> jcoxon: the lat/lngs would be silly
[19:24] <Randomskk> ddmm we can deal with but out of the box the N/W thing wouldn't work
[19:24] <Randomskk> however we could write a filter for it fairly easily, actually
[19:24] <jcoxon> well it depends where you are
[19:24] <Randomskk> and then just apply it to whatever payloads
[19:24] <jcoxon> if lat and lon were postive then it would work
[19:25] <DanielRichman> also everyone having the same callsign... :-(
[19:25] <jcoxon> it was more as a point
[19:25] <jcoxon> so you could make a super quick payload
[19:25] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: what is the name of the tool you used to make the CA?
[19:25] <TimZaman> it can't hurt to standardize the strings, in terms of lat lon. but on the other hand.. multiple formats could be handy.
[19:25] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: actually filtering could deal with that too
[19:25] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: tinyca iirc
[19:25] <Randomskk> though uhm
[19:25] <DanielRichman> cool
[19:25] <Randomskk> check the readme
[19:25] <Randomskk> I can just sign a csr if you want, somewhat quicker
[19:26] <Randomskk> https://github.com/ukhas/habitat/tree/develop/certs this readme
[19:26] <DanielRichman> ah, perfect
[19:26] <eroomde> why must we pander to NESW?
[19:26] <eroomde> lets just have signs
[19:26] <Randomskk> eroomde: because transmitting raw NMEA
[19:27] <eroomde> otherwise you may aswell give in to 'thirty nine degrees as the crow flies!! arrrgh' being sent down
[19:27] <eroomde> fair point
[19:27] <eroomde> oh
[19:27] <jcoxon> oh please can we have a pirate filter on habitat
[19:28] <nickolai> i don't mean to rush you any, but for my own timetable is there anyway you could give me an idea as to when to expect a fix?
[19:29] <Randomskk> like, five minutes ish
[19:29] <nickolai> ah, thanks!
[19:29] <Randomskk> soon as I remember how to write these silly filters
[19:29] <TimZaman> who is kyle hotchkiss
[19:29] <fsphil> pirate filter?
[19:29] <jcoxon> TimZaman, a guy in US who launches
[19:29] <fsphil> aaah, n/m
[19:30] <TimZaman> jcoxon: ty.
[19:30] <jcoxon> PicoAtlas V = 84g
[19:30] <jcoxon> before insulation and antenna
[19:30] <TimZaman> i'm making an arduino backup payload..
[19:30] <SanSilver> with batts jcoxon?
[19:31] <jcoxon> SanSilver, yup
[19:31] <Randomskk> ugh looking at my own code to try and remember how filters work
[19:31] <DanielRichman> there's some dodgy with: thing to make it correct the checksum
[19:31] <jcoxon> 3xAA
[19:31] <SanSilver> shuuu and how many hrs ?
[19:31] <DanielRichman> but after that it's just strings iirc
[19:31] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: "dodgy"?!
[19:31] <Randomskk> :P
[19:31] <Randomskk> but I'm concerned the UKHASChecksumFixer context manager expects a dict for data, with ['data'] in it
[19:31] <jcoxon> i've tested now for 10hrs
[19:31] <Randomskk> but I can't remember when filters get that
[19:32] <DanielRichman> ... I think we just did d = {"data": string}
[19:32] <DanielRichman> as a bit of a hack because you can't pass by reference
[19:32] <Randomskk> this would be an intermediate filter right
[19:32] <DanielRichman> yes
[19:32] <SanSilver> afk
[19:32] <Randomskk> so for intermediate, data is a string
[19:33] <DanielRichman> indeed
[19:34] <Randomskk> okay I think I have written it
[19:34] <Randomskk> hmm
[19:34] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/2482161
[19:36] <Randomskk> applying...
[19:36] <DanielRichman> that looks good
[19:36] <TimZaman> who knows about the tinygps library, is the ublox stuff native or do i need to use the adapted one?
[19:36] <jcoxon> TimZaman, adapted one
[19:36] <TimZaman> got a recent one?
[19:37] <TimZaman> haha i remember coding for like a week on my first payload. this is going to take 2 libraries and 10 minutes.
[19:37] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03#modified_tinygps
[19:38] <Randomskk> saved, let's see
[19:38] <nickolai> i could never get tinygps to work satisfactorily with my payload
[19:38] <Randomskk> nickolai: could you transmit some more strings?
[19:38] <nickolai> o crap, the receiver's dead
[19:38] <Randomskk> :(
[19:39] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: what's the happy fun way to upload a string?
[19:39] <Randomskk> $$PRHAL,193252,1,+4025.7808,-08653.0368,177.3*4F
[19:39] <nickolai> it's kind of hot, and it's borrowed, so i'll get it sit for a few mins
[19:39] <nickolai> *let
[19:40] <jcoxon> nickolai, what receiver?
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[19:40] <TimZaman> nickolai: i love the tinygps library? never had any problem with it whatsoever.
[19:40] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: open the doc in futona nd hit save and the parser will pick it up if it's not already parsed
[19:41] <DanielRichman> or base64 it and give it to http://habitat.habhub.org/transition (http form interface there)
[19:41] <DanielRichman> (if you save it without making any changes then it will still appear in the parser's changes stream and will be reevaluated)
[19:41] <Randomskk> any easy way to find a telem doc in couch?
[19:42] <DanielRichman> _changes, scroll to the bottom
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[19:42] <DanielRichman> or echo -n 'string' | base64 | sha256sum
[19:42] <DanielRichman> so really in answer to your question, no ;P
[19:42] <nickolai> jcoxon, the receiver i'm using to listen to my payload
[19:43] <Randomskk> curiously it can't find the sha256sum
[19:43] <DanielRichman> (actually that should be base64 --wrap=0
[19:43] <Randomskk> oh
[19:43] <Randomskk> that makes the same sha256sum
[19:43] <nickolai> timzaman, i could just never get it to switch from transmitting "no signal" to transmitting data once it got a lock
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[19:43] <BrainDamage> is it a netsplit allucination, or do have I an operator flag?
[19:43] <Randomskk> the former
[19:43] <nickolai> either it would constantly transmit "nosignal" or it would transmit gps data when it had some and nothing otherwise
[19:44] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:44:29,332] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Compiling a hotfix
[19:44] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:44:29,338] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Hotfix compiled, executing
[19:44] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:44:29,339] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: ValueError from UKHAS: 'Invalid coordinate format'
[19:44] <DanielRichman> D: it's the +
[19:45] <DanielRichman> ... is it?
[19:45] <Randomskk> is it?
[19:45] <Randomskk> you know, that log message could be a lot more useful
[19:45] <DanielRichman> dunno.
[19:45] <Randomskk> like, giving the field it tried to parse
[19:45] <Randomskk> and maybe even why it was invalid
[19:45] Action: Randomskk adds to list
[19:46] <DanielRichman> perhaps we could have MS Office's clippy suggest things that may be wrong with your telemetry
[19:46] <Randomskk> also the sexy web UI for testing strings should highlight the bad fields
[19:46] <DanielRichman> oooh, that's cool
[19:47] <DanielRichman> anyway invalid coordinate format is when it's misconfigured
[19:47] <DanielRichman> so it's probably beacuse dddmm.mm is used rather than ddmm.mm
[19:47] <Randomskk> not the first time that's happened
[19:47] <Randomskk> we should probably either make the format selection a dropdown or alternatively accept a range of similar looking strings
[19:47] <DanielRichman> yeah I crawled through the database and changed every ddd to dd a while ago
[19:48] <Hiena> Ehehehe... Physics roxxor. With few simple calculation, succesfully debunked the plasma ignition myth.
[19:48] <Randomskk> updated the config
[19:48] <Randomskk> but same error
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[19:48] <DanielRichman> uh
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: No, you diddn't.
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> A successful debunking means that all that believe in it now agree with you.
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> Or you have killed them all.
[19:50] <Randomskk> wait
[19:50] <Randomskk> it was ddmm.mmmm
[19:50] <Randomskk> too many mms
[19:50] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:50:24,807] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: ValueError from UKHAS: 'invalid literal for int() with base 10: '177.3''
[19:50] <Randomskk> that's a more useful error message
[19:50] <Randomskk> nickolai: your altitude is apparenty being transmitted as a float
[19:50] <Randomskk> is that right?
[19:51] <Randomskk> you've selected integer on the config
[19:51] <nickolai> o
[19:51] <nickolai> oops
[19:51] <Randomskk> should itbe float?
[19:51] <Randomskk> I can change it easily
[19:51] <Hiena> Usually there is some aftermarket ignition plugs with extra capacitor, which offer "plasma boost" or "plasma ignition". I just calculated the energy needs reaching the plasma state for the spark gap, and the stored energy in the booster capacitors.
[19:51] <nickolai> yea i guess it goes as a float
[19:51] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:51:26,359] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from PRHAL succesfully
[19:51] <Randomskk> alright!
[19:51] <nickolai> yay!
[19:51] <Randomskk> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:51] <nickolai> i think the radio's good, imma plug it in and see what happens
[19:51] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: awesome
[19:52] Action: SpeedEvil attaches a magnetic fuel booster to Hienas aorta.
[19:52] <Randomskk> nickolai: I think you might need to set your receiver location
[19:52] <Randomskk> to not (0,0)
[19:52] <Hiena> SpeedEvil: This case the killing is the easiest way.
[19:52] <Randomskk> nickolai: yup, just got a sentence from you and parsed OK
[19:52] <Upu> evening
[19:52] <Randomskk> [2011-09-04 19:52:22,434] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from PRHAL succesfully
[19:52] <nickolai> set my receiver location? or is that not necessary anymore?
[19:52] <Upu> should be interesting tommorrow
[19:53] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: oh: I guess base64 | sha256sum won't work; it includes the final \n in the sum :-(
[19:53] <nickolai> woot! it's working!
[19:53] <DanielRichman> oh, -w 0 gets rid of that; ignore me
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> base64|tail +c1 |sha... maybe
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> oh
[19:54] <nickolai> thanks Randomskk!!!!
[19:55] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: https://randomskk.net/u/danielrichman.pem
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> And I meant head -c -1
[19:55] <Randomskk> uh
[19:55] <nickolai> this is an amazing tracker, well done to everyone who built it!
[19:55] <Randomskk> 403 fixed
[19:55] <Randomskk> that's on my https, but if you want I could also gpg sign it or whatever
[19:55] <Randomskk> ab5c84130aab70491e71ef4ec77a020e5c0471b186efa09eca2772bf510d4a82 danielrichman.pem
[19:56] <Randomskk> nickolai: no problem!
[19:56] <Upu> if I put a Yagi on the roof pointing in the general direction of Cambridge it would be vertically orientated ?
[19:56] <Randomskk> Upu: uh, it could point any direction
[19:56] <Randomskk> what?
[19:56] <Randomskk> if you wanted it for tracking balloons, then yes
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> The elements he means
[19:56] <Upu> yeah
[19:56] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: openssl should be able to tell me if this is the same as the .pem I sent off, it's cool
[19:56] <fsphil> definitely
[19:56] <Upu> would only use it for balloons
[19:56] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: indeed
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> The elements being vertical is best, yes, if pointed at the balloon
[19:57] <Randomskk> you should add it to habitat and commit it asap so it becomes part of the commit chain
[19:58] <DanielRichman> ok
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[20:02] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: so b.verify(a.get_pubkey()) is 1 if b has been signed by a (M2Crypto; pulled example from parser)
[20:02] <Randomskk> something like that
[20:03] <Randomskk> there's a pastie somewhere that has a full example runthrough I think
[20:03] <Randomskk> though sign_cert in /bin gives loading certs etc
[20:04] <DanielRichman> well, it looks good to me :-)
[20:05] <Randomskk> sweet
[20:05] <DanielRichman> thanks
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[20:08] <Randomskk> np
[20:09] <Randomskk> latest version of the ca db now on nessie with your csr/cert btw
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[20:11] <Randomskk> fergus! hi!
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[20:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pmVm9S6-fy4#t=204s - this guy is just too cool.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Making really awesome stuff using mostly minimal tools
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[20:33] <Hibby> I was correct. The TSA were highly suspicious of my collection of hackerspace stickers and such... Oh well
[20:37] <fsphil> bah
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[20:37] <fsphil> soon you will be free
[20:38] <Hibby> lolol
[20:38] <Hibby> must dash
[20:38] <Hibby> see y'all soon
[20:38] <Hibby> hopefulyl JFK is this progressive!
[20:39] <fsphil> hehe, program on NHK World says quantum encryption is already on the market ... then describes the product, which is just a one-time-pad for phones
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> OTP for phones can be surprisingly effective
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> if you can guarantee pad destruction, and security of the phone, and key managment
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> A gigabyte of pad for voice goes a hell of a long way.
[20:41] <TimZaman> who remembers what we agreed upon with the baudot code, as with telemetry "*"'s cant be used..?
[20:42] <Randomskk> well the new parser expects * either way, so
[20:42] <Randomskk> whatever it is we'll have to redo it
[20:43] <fsphil> TimZaman, #
[20:43] <fsphil> why would you be using baudot though?
[20:43] <TimZaman> fast
[20:43] <TimZaman> and i have the code still. did use it in the HoHoHo-II launch, but there was something with the power or something
[20:45] <TimZaman> anyone got some simple CRC16 generator in c++ to use with my arduino
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[20:46] <nickolai> i got an xor
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[20:46] <nickolai> want it?
[20:49] <Randomskk> shame he left
[20:49] <Randomskk> anyway crc16 is part of the avr libc
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[20:50] <TimZaman> (sry reboot) - CRC16 anyone?
[20:50] <Randomskk> it's part of the avr libc
[20:51] <DanielRichman> usage example is on the wiki
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[21:04] <TimZaman> appreciate it
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[21:07] <TimZaman> Randomskk: are you saying the tracker has been rewritten and does not accept #'s anymore instead of *' when using baudot?
[21:07] <TimZaman> Or does FLDIGI change the # to * with uploading or something?
[21:07] <TimZaman> i forgot what we worked out last year
[21:07] <Randomskk> the former
[21:07] <Randomskk> but it woudln't be too hard to make it accept #s on a per-payload basis
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[21:13] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@ Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, PicoAtlas V launch 5/9/11 11:00BST
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[21:17] <jcoxon> hey Dan-K2VOL
[21:26] <nickolai> hey Dan-K2VOL
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[21:27] <Dan-K2VOL> hi jcoxon
[21:27] <Dan-K2VOL> hi nickolai
[21:33] <nickolai> dammit, i can't post to gpsl until they approve my membership...
[21:34] <fsphil> sounds about right
[21:34] <Upu> we can summarise here if you want
[21:35] <Upu> "drama drama"
[21:35] <Upu> join the UKHAS one its quieter :)
[21:35] <Randomskk> drama llama!
[21:38] <nickolai> i was just hoping to ask on there about others listening in to the balloon. i don't really need it but it would have been nice
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[21:41] <Dan-K2VOL> nickolai I'll forward a request if you'd like it up immediately
[21:42] <nickolai> sure, i'd appreciate that Dan
[21:42] <nickolai> ummm, lets see if the relevant radio information is on spacenear.us, otherwise i'll just tell u
[21:44] <nickolai> doesn't look like it's there: 434.65MHz LSB, 100Hz shift, 50 baud, 7 bits per character, no parity, 1.5 stop bits
[21:44] <nickolai> oh and I'm launching tomorrow (!)
[21:44] <nickolai> from Purdue
[21:45] <Dan-K2VOL> submit here too: http://arhab.org/annomail.html
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[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> nickolai check your pm
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[22:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hi nigeys
[22:40] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[22:46] <Randomskk> hehe I love writing software where I know it will break if it's in use in the year 3000 because it has to assume the century is 2000
[22:46] <Randomskk> wait, it'l fail in 2100
[22:46] <Randomskk> bugger, that might be an issue
[22:46] <Randomskk> ....meh but probably not
[22:46] <Randomskk> stupid nmea
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[23:32] <natrium42> oh nice horus 15.5 is on arhab records page
[23:32] <natrium42> and so is xaben16
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[23:40] <fsphil> guessing they've relaxed the rules after a few threatened to start their own list :)
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