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[02:50] <Wild-Wing> boo
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[05:11] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/uSnEo.jpg
[05:11] <Darkside> whee
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[05:21] <Hibby> Darkside: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rg1iWKhfPfw/TewHt53Sw8I/AAAAAAAAFgk/elSNxoY9syg/s1600/Capture.JPG
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[06:05] <Darkside> $GPRMC,060459.00,A,3455.12603,S,13836.34368,E,0.167,,010911,,,A*6F
[06:05] <Darkside> woot
[06:05] <Upu> micronut ?
[06:05] <Upu> morning
[06:05] <Darkside> nah
[06:05] <Darkside> the uBlox breakout
[06:05] <Upu> oh ok
[06:05] <Upu> you back in Oz ?
[06:05] <Darkside> yup
[06:05] <Upu> good flight ?
[06:06] <Darkside> meeeeh
[06:06] <Upu> :)
[06:06] <Upu> mising the cold and rain yet ?
[06:07] <Darkside> nope lol
[06:09] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/FYPhB.jpg
[06:09] <Upu> that looks small
[06:10] <Upu> break out your own design ?
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[06:21] <Darkside> yeah
[06:21] <Darkside> i'm planning on manufacturing a few
[06:21] <Darkside> if people are interested, i'll sell them at cost price
[06:21] <Darkside> which is approx AUD$35
[06:22] <Darkside> i won't be using milled PCBs though
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[06:29] <fsphil> for christmas I'd like a pcb mill
[06:29] <Darkside> heh
[06:29] <Darkside> tbh i don't like milled PCBs
[06:29] <Darkside> its harder to solder when you have no solder mask
[06:30] <fsphil> hadn't thought of that
[06:30] <Darkside> i had a bit of trouble soldering the ground points on that PCB, as all the solder ran over the ground plane
[06:32] <Darkside> in other news,i have all the parts for MicroNut now, except for teh PCB
[06:32] <Darkside> i also have some SAW filters
[06:32] <Darkside> i'll have to make up a PCB with the SAW filter and a preamp
[06:33] <Darkside> oh my god the SAW filters are tiny
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[06:37] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/kcYtq.jpg
[06:39] <Darkside> soldering that is going to be a bitch
[06:40] <Darkside> anyway, i'm off, goin gto head home
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[06:41] <fsphil> geepers that's small
[06:53] <SamSilver> how many solder points does that lil bugger have?
[06:53] <number10> are you at work already fsphil
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[07:00] <m1x10> hi all
[07:03] <number10> kali mera
[07:06] <m1x10> haha
[07:07] <m1x10> make my day :)
[07:14] <fsphil> number10, yep
[07:17] <fsphil> hehe, noticed a surge in traffic to my site using the bing search engine. then noticed almost all those connections came from microsoft IP addresses
[07:17] <number10> what caused the traffic?
[07:18] <fsphil> dunno, it was just to the main page and went no further
[07:18] <fsphil> it looks like it was a bot
[07:20] <eroomde> morning
[07:21] <number10> morning
[07:21] <fsphil> tis that
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[08:20] <Elwell> Darkside: that on a macbook keyboard for scale?
[08:20] <Darkside> yep
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[08:43] <fsphil> "Once saturated with water, Silica gel can be regenerated by heating it to 120 C (250 F) for two hours" ... might be handier to just buy some
[08:44] <number10> lol
[08:44] <m1x10> fsphil
[08:44] <m1x10> is that bad if i call the payload
[08:45] <m1x10> space capsule?
[08:45] <fsphil> not bad, although wrong :)
[08:45] <m1x10> is it wrong?
[08:45] <m1x10> i cant call it payload in greek.
[08:45] <fsphil> what is payload in greek?
[08:46] <m1x10> something like cargo
[08:46] <m1x10> but cargo is everywhere
[08:46] <m1x10> what other words can describe the capsule?
[08:46] <m1x10> the payload*
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[08:47] <m1x10> so i can translate in greek and sound something more normal
[08:47] <eroomde> pod
[08:47] <number10> you could call it Aether
[08:48] <eroomde> vessel
[08:48] <number10> or couti
[08:48] <m1x10> couti lol
[08:48] <m1x10> no couti dude
[08:48] <SamSilver> m1x10: Space Photo Laboratory
[08:48] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: the usb on badger, how did you terminate it?
[08:48] <eroomde> drachma
[08:48] <number10> is a box ne
[08:48] <eroomde> will it or won't it return?
[08:48] <Laurenceb_> just resistors?
[08:48] <eroomde> topical
[08:48] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: with a shotgun
[08:48] <m1x10> eroomde: lol
[08:48] <eroomde> and a time machine
[08:49] <Laurenceb_> o..k..
[08:49] <number10> Aether (‘¹¸®Á), primeval god of the upper air
[08:49] <eroomde> you mean in terms of usb end points?
[08:49] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/tvs/6910631/ <- im thinking of something like that
[08:49] <eroomde> or physically?
[08:49] <Laurenceb_> yes
[08:49] <Laurenceb_> i mean physically
[08:49] <Laurenceb_> series resistors?
[08:49] <m1x10> damn!
[08:49] <m1x10> help me! just fooling me around !
[08:49] <eroomde> erm, i think just the connector and then a pair of something like 33 ohm resistors
[08:49] <eroomde> or maybe it was 33
[08:49] <eroomde> 330*
[08:49] <eroomde> and then into the pins on the avr
[08:50] <Laurenceb_> USBD- -> 33ohm -> IO pin ?
[08:50] <eroomde> as i recall, it was simple what the hardware layout guide recommended
[08:50] <Laurenceb_> USBD-+ -> 33ohm -> IO pin ?
[08:50] <eroomde> correct
[08:50] <Laurenceb_> i see, simple
[08:50] <eroomde> well, on of those two
[08:50] <eroomde> i forget the actual value
[08:50] <eroomde> i just remember in involved 33
[08:50] <eroomde> and that i got it wrong
[08:50] <eroomde> d- and d+
[08:50] <Laurenceb_> yeah that ic has 22ohm and esd
[08:50] <eroomde> so i had to do a precision bodge
[08:51] <Laurenceb_> theres no pot divider or anything to set the float voltage?
[08:51] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/3863616068/in/set-72157622038400075/lightbox/
[08:51] <eroomde> bottom right hand corner
[08:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.olimex.com/dev/images/ARM/ST/STM32-P103-sch.gif
[08:51] <Laurenceb_> heh
[08:51] <Laurenceb_> ^that confused me a lot
[08:51] <eroomde> instead of two nice 0805 resistors, i made a swapper with pth resistors
[08:51] <eroomde> ah still, that's good to know
[08:51] <m1x10> fsphil: cmon, think of something
[08:52] <eroomde> i might more of less nick that schematic
[08:52] <m1x10> fsphil: that can work in greek too
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[08:52] <eroomde> m1x10: aeolus
[08:52] <eroomde> god of the winds
[08:52] <eroomde> surely
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: i really dont get Q3 and Q4
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> very odd
[08:52] <m1x10> eroomde: i dont need a name!
[08:52] <eroomde> or icarus - it'll go too high then burst
[08:52] <m1x10> i need to replace "space capsule" with something more casual
[08:53] <m1x10> like i dont know !
[08:53] <eroomde> vessel
[08:53] <fsphil> generally not good to let me name things :)
[08:53] <eroomde> pod
[08:53] <eroomde> instrument box
[08:53] <fsphil> container
[08:53] <eroomde> experi-lump
[08:54] <eroomde> chamber
[08:54] <fsphil> chassis
[08:54] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: where roughly are q3 and q4 in that?
[08:54] <Laurenceb_> bottom left
[08:55] <fsphil> "payload" is about as casual as you get
[08:55] <SamSilver> m1x10: Space Photo Laboratory
[08:56] <fsphil> google translates Payload into two greek words
[08:56] <fsphil> which thanks to the wonders of windows, I can't paste via VNC
[08:56] <eroomde> hmm odd
[08:56] <eroomde> some kind of selectable pullup?
[08:56] <eroomde> can it switch between master/slave/otg?
[08:57] <eroomde> or usb powered level shifting? i dunno. too early in the morn
[08:57] <Laurenceb_> heh
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[08:57] <fsphil> m1x10, flight box
[08:57] <m1x10> SamSilver: mmmmh
[08:58] <m1x10> ÉÆ­»¹¼¿ Æ¿Áį¿
[08:58] <m1x10> which means useful cargo
[08:58] <number10> I think kouti is better
[08:59] <m1x10> number10: no. lol. kouti sounds so simple
[08:59] <m1x10> kouti = box
[08:59] <number10> i know
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[08:59] <fsphil> *space* box :)
[08:59] <m1x10> its not just a box man!
[08:59] <fsphil> not-quite-near-space box
[09:00] <fsphil> near-space is a bit of a lie too, we don't even get half way
[09:00] <m1x10> we got insulator styrofoam, we got electronics protectors, we got holes for antennas and thermal blankets!
[09:00] <m1x10> you dont call this a 'box' !
[09:00] <m1x10> i agree with fsphil:
[09:00] <fsphil> I do lol
[09:00] <m1x10> near space is not true
[09:00] <m1x10> near space could be >50km
[09:01] <number10> kouti kolpa
[09:01] <m1x10> kolpa?
[09:01] <m1x10> hahahahhahaha
[09:01] <number10> ºÌ»À±
[09:02] <m1x10> you lol me
[09:02] <m1x10> :)
[09:02] <number10> sounds good in english too
[09:03] <m1x10> near earth project
[09:03] <m1x10> not near space
[09:07] <Hiena> m1x10: far earth
[09:07] <Hiena> Or "in the middle project"
[09:08] <Hiena> Or "somwhere up there"
[09:08] <Hiena> Ok. Back to the concrete mixer.
[09:09] <number10> ah thats got me thinking - makrini kouti kai ta pragmata
[09:11] <Hiena> Hafta shut-down the whole house.
[09:11] <Hiena> BRB
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[09:11] <fsphil> rebooting a house
[09:12] <eroomde> shutdown -h now
[09:13] <eroomde> i imagine a castle gate crashing down and impalling invaders
[09:13] <m1x10> number10: thats wrong you said
[09:13] <m1x10> number10: how you come up with those words?
[09:15] <number10> grammar is not my best - I know the word for box, and things - just looked up distant and checked it all together
[09:15] <number10> chucked
[09:16] <m1x10> omg
[09:16] <m1x10> nice try though
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[09:49] <Upu> Just spoke to David Miller about the northern "facility" , he sounds like he's going to issue it
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[09:53] <eroomde> good work
[09:57] <Upu> really would help
[09:57] <Upu> doesn't sound like he can make the conference though
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[09:59] <Upu> morning Steve
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[10:00] <Upu> wb Steve :)
[10:00] <Upu> preditions for sat not looking good : http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cacc015da990c8cd27fdcf079e87f133b8ebedce
[10:01] <RocketBoy> yeah - i looked earlier and agree - i doubt if it will get better :-(
[10:01] <RocketBoy> sat or sun
[10:02] <RocketBoy> but we can take another look again tomorrow
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[10:04] <Upu> yeah
[10:04] <Upu> David Miller is looking at my NOTAM request for Baldersley Park so you never know...
[10:04] <Upu> 3 launches per day weekends like EARS
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[10:07] <fsphil> excellent news that
[10:14] <fsphil> just checked the request I sent him, it's actually from the 3rd September. Still time, although the predictions are awful
[10:14] <fsphil> kinda hoping he does delay a bit
[10:22] <eroomde> eroomde:
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[10:27] <number10> stop talking to yourself eroomde
[10:31] <fsphil> sign of a genius that, talking to yourself
[10:32] <fsphil> or so I tell myself
[10:36] <number10> talking to myself I get the only sensible answe - not because I am clever - just in a lab by myself :(
[10:36] <number10> +r
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[10:46] <fsphil> at least you get some peace and quiet :)
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[13:30] <Darkside> aha!
[13:31] <vk5zm> aha !
[13:31] <Darkside> another australian ham :-)
[13:31] <Darkside> juxta: get in here!
[13:31] <vk5zm> what gave me away?
[13:31] <Darkside> dunno, maybe the VK
[13:31] <vk5zm> rofl
[13:32] <juxta> I'm depressed by the number of smartphone devices that exist and that I don't like the look of any of them
[13:32] <Darkside> juxta: get a galaxy S II and be done with it
[13:32] <Darkside> me and joel have them and love them :-)
[13:33] <vk5zm> if you can't afford the Galaxy S II then a Galaxy 5 isn't that bad...
[13:33] <Darkside> vk5zm: but its soooo tiny
[13:33] <Darkside> and only 600MHz! :P
[13:33] <vk5zm> I wish my Galaxy 5 was a Galaxy S II but I couldn't afford it.
[13:33] <Darkside> mm, they aren't that cheap...
[13:34] <Darkside> i bought mine outright, this was before telstra had them
[13:34] <vk5zm> which the galaxy SII or 5?
[13:34] <Darkside> the SII
[13:34] <vk5zm> the S II is still $1000 from memory..
[13:34] <juxta> what do they cost outright (the SII and the 5)?
[13:34] <Darkside> juxta: i got mine for $650 on ebay
[13:34] <vk5zm> the Galaxy 5 I picked up for $150 outright.
[13:34] <vk5zm> that was from a T-shop mind as a prepaid.
[13:35] <Darkside> yeah that'd be subsidised i'm sure
[13:35] <vk5zm> but I agree it is tiny !
[13:35] <juxta> I like the sound of that, that's not too expensive when I inevitably destroy it
[13:35] <Darkside> also the screen res on the galaxy 5 is looow
[13:35] <Darkside> 320x200 or something
[13:35] <Darkside> i didn't realise android supported screen resolution that low - the standard is 800x480 or something
[13:35] <vk5zm> I suspect the prepaids are locked and the question is can you unlock them for a post paid sim.
[13:36] <vk5zm> no 320x240 is the smallest android will support...
[13:36] <Darkside> ahh ok
[13:36] <vk5zm> also known as CGA
[13:36] <Darkside> the unlocking thing is why i bought my phone unlocked from ebay
[13:36] <Darkside> so i knew it'd work in the UK, here on telstra, or here on optus
[13:36] <Darkside> as it does quadband HSDPA which is nice (850/900/1900/2100)
[13:38] <vk5zm> If you can afford the Galaxy S II you wont be sorry...
[13:38] <Darkside> vk5zm: joel and I love ours :-)
[13:38] <juxta> until I break it
[13:38] <Darkside> such a powerful device
[13:38] <vk5zm> With luck I'll get my next employer to pay for a new phone :)
[13:38] <Darkside> juxta: be more careful with your phones?
[13:38] <Darkside> >_>
[13:39] <juxta> it's not that I break them on a regular basis, but it just feels so vulnerable
[13:39] <vk5zm> Mind you I'm torn now between android and an iPhone... I'm leaning towards the android phones now days.
[13:39] <vk5zm> yes breaking phones is one of faiths favorite pass times..
[13:40] <vk5zm> she's drowned many in funny places... broken them at inconvenient times and then has to send them back to base due to software glitches...
[13:40] <vk5zm> shes currently got a motorola defy...
[13:40] <Darkside> haha durable phone
[13:41] <Darkside> aaaaanyway
[13:41] <Darkside> we need to find out when adrian is free
[13:42] <Darkside> i know he's practicing for another upcoming muso thing, so i'm not sure how free he is
[13:42] <vk5zm> the motorola defy has to go back to motorola.. apparently the RF deck in the first gen phones is no good.
[13:43] <vk5zm> adrian is still away off his muso gig..
[13:43] <Darkside> i thought he'd started practicing now
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[13:48] <Darkside> hey NigelMoby
[13:48] <Darkside> when are you doing your next foil launch?
[13:48] <NigelMoby> Hey dude, should be the 17th
[13:48] <Darkside> cool
[13:49] <NigelMoby> Fingers crossed for nice weather
[13:49] <Darkside> yeah i bet
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[13:49] <Darkside> i'm waiting for the MicroNut boards to arrive, so I can get them working...
[13:50] <Darkside> got your PCBs yet?
[13:50] <juxta> I'm off to bed guys
[13:50] <Darkside> night juxta
[13:50] <juxta> night Darkside, vk5zm
[13:50] <Upu> ping fsphil
[13:52] <vk5zm> nite juxta
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[13:53] <fsphil> pong
[13:54] <fsphil> I tried making a pong game in C64 basic once, never did finish that
[13:54] <NigelMoby> Not yet they better hurry up though
[13:54] <fsphil> might be a bit late getting back to it now
[13:54] <Darkside> NigelMoby: yeah mine are still in production
[13:55] <Darkside> no way i can get mine manufactured at uni sadly, they are way too complex
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[13:55] <Darkside> i did get one of the uBlox breakout boards manufactured tho
[13:55] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/FYPhB.jpg
[13:56] <NigelMoby> Oooo
[13:56] <Darkside> thats on the uni's equipment
[13:56] <NigelMoby> Tiny!!!
[13:56] <Darkside> i'll be ordering some of those breakout boards soon
[13:57] <NigelMoby> I'll buy a few off u :p
[13:58] <Darkside> sure :P
[13:58] <Darkside> i still need to find a local distributor of the uBlox modules
[13:58] <Darkside> and i need to be 100% sure the uBlox 6's work fine
[13:58] <NigelMoby> Yeah, that kinda helps
[14:00] <vk5zm> darkside talk to Braemac they are the local disti
[14:01] <Darkside> ok
[14:01] <vk5zm> if you need me to lean on them tell me...
[14:01] <Darkside> vk5zm: could you email the list re: meeting up?
[14:01] <vk5zm> anyway bed time.. i've nutted out the software bug I've been chasing for the past two hours....
[14:01] <vk5zm> I'll catch you gentlemen tomorrow..
[14:01] <vk5zm> nite
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[14:12] <W0OTM-M> howdy
[14:13] <W0OTM-M> whats BST?
[14:13] <W0OTM-M> British Standard Time?
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[14:13] <fsphil> that or Bill Standard Time
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[14:14] <fsphil> (time time all launches go into when they're late)
[14:14] <fsphil> (cause Bill's never on time)
[14:14] <W0OTM-M> barf
[14:14] <W0OTM-M> please dont really tell me we have adopted his own timezone
[14:14] <W0OTM-M> I prefer British Stanard Time
[14:14] <fsphil> just a bit of a running joke. he can be many hours late
[14:15] <SamSilver> ISH time is used around here as well
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[14:16] <W0OTM-M> SamSilver: ??
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[14:16] <SamSilver> fsphil: do you remember the acronim?
[14:16] <Upu> ISH = International Standard HAB time
[14:16] <Upu> i.e the launch will be at 10:00 ISH
[14:16] <W0OTM-M> Upu: VERY goodQ!
[14:17] <W0OTM-M> I like that
[14:17] <Upu> ISH time is +/- 3 hours the actual stated time
[14:17] <SamSilver> more + to tell the truth
[14:17] <W0OTM-M> now, thats a funny "running joke"
[14:17] <fsphil> one day I'll launch early just to surprise everyone :)
[14:17] <Upu> haha
[14:17] <SamSilver> fsphil: I found this > http://laughingsquid.com/john-maushammers-amazing-pong-watch/
[14:18] <SamSilver> for pong adicts
[14:19] <SamSilver> addicts
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[14:19] <SamSilver> hooked on pon
[14:19] <SamSilver> g
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[14:43] <fsphil> oh that's cool
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[15:18] <NigeyS> right whos awake then?
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Sortof.
[15:18] <daveake> kinda
[15:19] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[15:19] <NigeyS> hey dave
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> I've been pushing heaps of metal around.
[15:19] <daveake> hay'all
[15:19] <NigeyS> i have a question for any of you developers...
[15:19] <daveake> nice
[15:19] <daveake> <runs away>
[15:19] <NigeyS> php / sqlite related
[15:19] <daveake> <runs faster>
[15:19] <NigeyS> haha
[15:19] <NigeyS> why the hell do you guys use it! lol its a pain!
[15:20] <daveake> Not used sqlite, but have used php with MySQL and with Firebird. I wasn't impressed.
[15:21] <NigeyS> sounds about right
[15:21] <daveake> Slow development
[15:21] <NigeyS> annoying thing is if devs werent to lazy they can use a PDO extension, which saves us server admins a whole host of compile problems trying to get the stupid thing installed in the first place!
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[15:50] <Upu> blimey you're ruffling some feathers W0OTM
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[15:58] <fsphil> kind of overshadowed the flight which is a shame
[16:02] <W0OTM> Upu: huh?
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[16:05] <W0OTM> oh yeah, ive moved on...I got more important things todo than to argue with the self-appointed "Balloon Police"
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[16:26] <NigeyS> lol
[16:30] <Upu> W0OTM the drama :)
[16:31] <Upu> over here "I'm launching a glider from a balloon" results in "cool yay great stuff" over that side of the pond it seems to decend into a drama bomb
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[17:03] <Hibby> flights have been changed without my approval, but at no extra cost
[17:04] <Randomskk> oh good
[17:04] <Randomskk> sounds like you're having a great time with these travel agents
[17:06] <Hibby> time of my life.
[17:06] <Hibby> they have found me a flight to Glasgow
[17:06] <Hibby> 12 hours after arriving at Heathrow
[17:06] <Hibby> so I'm still faster leaving and getting my train
[17:06] <number10> from where Hibby?
[17:06] <Hibby> number10: Cincinnati, Ohio -> New York -> Heathrow -> Glasgow
[17:11] <number10> that sounds like the long way
[17:12] <Hibby> mmm
[17:14] <number10> no direct flights from ohio to london?
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Hibby: Do you actually want to go to glasgow?
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[17:17] Action: SpeedEvil wonders where his fluorescin is.
[17:19] <Hibby> SpeedEvil: yes, I just refuse to sit in Heathrow for 12 hours.
[17:19] <Hibby> and I booked a train ticket when they informed me my flights were unavailable...
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[17:19] <Hibby> number10: No - it's not really a tourist place. There is a direct flight to paris, and one to Warsaw as well, oddly.
[17:20] Action: SpeedEvil knows a girl in Ohio.
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> For small values of know.
[17:20] <Hibby> heheh
[17:23] <Hibby> I've met many girls in Ohio
[17:24] <Hibby> mesmerised by my accent and/or poor salsa skills
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[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:02] <mattltm> I hate AT commands and sending sms!
[18:02] <mattltm> Hi Lunar_Lander :)
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> nice to see you back!
[18:02] <mattltm> lol. I do come on a lot, just at odd times!
[18:02] <mattltm> But I also see the messages that you leave for me :)
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[18:04] <mattltm> Annoyed. thats how I am :(
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> I am OK
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> today I soldered the pins to all my breakouts
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:05] <mattltm> cool.
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[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> now I am just looking at your page about making the Balun
[18:06] <mattltm> +CMS ERROR: 500 - unknown error. Thats helpfull!
[18:07] <mattltm> cool.
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> and I am trying to understand it
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> the balun I mean
[18:08] <Upu> HAB People do you think this would work in the rarified air, its nichrome wrapped round a match head in a acylic tube filled with match head bits, the balloon cord runs through a whole in the top, the nichrome doens't touch the cord. The top is sealed with candle wax. 6v for 10 seconds on the nichrome :
[18:08] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF5FO2ECbfU
[18:09] <Upu> bottom of the tube is sealed with epoxy resin
[18:09] <Upu> whole=hole
[18:09] <eroomde> Upu: is it pressure sealed?
[18:09] <Upu> no
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> brb mattltm
[18:09] <eroomde> or is the tube only sealed at one end?
[18:09] <Upu> sealed with wax at top
[18:10] <Upu> epoxy at bottom
[18:10] <Upu> dont' want it sealed as I don't want it explosive
[18:10] <eroomde> hrm, well i obviosuly couldn't say for certain but i suspect you would have to test the crap out of it to qualify it
[18:10] <Upu> yeah
[18:10] <eroomde> as it's well known that lots of things like that definitely don;t work in low pressure
[18:10] <Upu> any examples ?
[18:10] <eroomde> high alt rockets
[18:11] <Upu> ok
[18:11] <eroomde> ignitors failing on upper stages
[18:11] <eroomde> the flame front just dissipates far too quickly
[18:11] <eroomde> i would set the string and nichrome in something like a conflagrating substance
[18:11] <eroomde> so, sugar, saltpetre (ebay) and some sulphur
[18:12] <eroomde> melt the sugar to a caramel, add the saltpetre, and some sulphur
[18:12] <Upu> well the cord is surrounded by wax "infused" with match head bits, to slow it down a bit but not enough to make it explosive
[18:12] <eroomde> it'll look like peanut butter and have a similar consistancy
[18:12] <eroomde> oh i see
[18:12] <eroomde> the wax might help then
[18:12] Action: SpeedEvil notes that that is manufacturing fireworks, and can only be performed legally if you have a fireworks factory licence.
[18:12] <Upu> I've done potassium nitrate + sugar before :)
[18:12] <eroomde> you'd have to do lots of tests
[18:12] <Upu> indeed
[18:12] <Hiena> eroomde: destroying another kitchen?
[18:12] <eroomde> Hiena: oh yeah, do it on a hot plate outside
[18:13] <eroomde> if it goes it really goes
[18:13] <Upu> We destroyed our kitchen at uni making it
[18:13] <Hiena> Who isn't?
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> http://members.shaw.ca/blairnakka-1/softw.html
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> Above website is very relevant for sugar and oxidisers
[18:13] <Hiena> It's like 101 for Piros..
[18:14] <eroomde> nakka is the god of the field
[18:14] <eroomde> Upu: my inclination would be to try and set some of that into some wee tubes
[18:14] <eroomde> with the string set in the middle
[18:15] <eroomde> the only issue is you might can random lumps of it being thrown onto your payload
[18:16] <Hiena> Btw, less troublesome slow burner could be made from 3% urethane cement, 7% sulfur, and 90% salt pepper mix.
[18:16] <Upu> yeah interesting idea
[18:16] <Upu> I'll go have another play this evening
[18:17] <Upu> in fact that has just given me another idea entirely thx
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[18:18] <eroomde> tbh the stuff sets hard enough to be a link in itself
[18:18] <eroomde> i think
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[18:20] <eroomde> so as long as it starts to burn, you're laughing
[18:20] <eroomde> i made a bacth on cutdown links out of this stuff in 2006 infact
[18:20] <eroomde> but they're just poo compared to smokless powder in a sealed tube
[18:37] <number10> eroomde - where can you buy it from
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[18:53] <NigeyS> eroomde!
[18:53] <NigeyS> hey hey
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[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello GW8RAK
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-arts-catalyst here is the man who asked about the hydrogen peroxide on the Google Group
[18:58] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> he is just starting to talk about what he wants to do
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> how are you GW8RAK?
[18:59] <GW8RAK> Thanks, I'll have a look at that.
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:59] <GW8RAK> Good thanks. We've had a great bit of weather today and cycling home was enjoyable.
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> that is nice
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> I soldered all the headers to the breakouts
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> does the ustream work for you?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> YAY he mentioned Darkside's flight
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[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake_
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK: this is actually the first moment I see what he wants to do
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> when he shows the machine now on the stream
[19:08] <mattltm> ping DanielRichman
[19:08] <DanielRichman> hai, mattltm
[19:08] <mattltm> Hi Dan, got a moment to help me out with some AT commands?
[19:09] <DanielRichman> I do indeed have a moment, but can't promise to be of any use. Go for it.
[19:14] <GW8RAK> Internet problems tonight Lunar_Lander. Really slow connection.
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK: when I got it right, he wants to search for bacteria with a certain gene
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> that can be detected by a sensor
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[19:23] <GW8RAK> Sounds complicated
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> the machine he has also looks massive
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> don't know if it can be implemented on a balloon easily
[19:25] Action: SpeedEvil is reminded of the phrase 'With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine'.
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> XD yeah
[19:26] <GW8RAK> Sometimes biological sensors can be microspically small.
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:26] <GW8RAK> Molecule sized
[19:26] <BrainDamage> can't you simply collect everything, freeze, and separate at ground?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> but he has tanks for the four chemical components
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage: he said that he doesn't want that
[19:27] <BrainDamage> he should give a good reasoning other than personal preference :s
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> he promised me to write me a second e-mail with a detailed description
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> maybe he says it in there
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> talk complete
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Maybe he wants to safely pyrolise the organisms at high temperature.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> Have none of you seen the documentary 'The Andromeda Strain' ?
[19:30] <BrainDamage> documentary? it's a michael chrichton book name
[19:31] <BrainDamage> perhaps omonimous
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[19:33] <SpeedEvil> It was also a film.
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[19:53] <TimZaman> any news
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> completed breakout soldering today
[19:53] <TimZaman> moarnin
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> how about your day?
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL
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[20:22] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander! How've you been?
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[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good Dan-K2VOL and you`
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> eroomde:ping
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[20:31] <Dan-K2VOL> pretty good kevin, almost done with work for the day
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: that olimex schematic we were confused by, the transitiors allow you to make it a normal or high speed USB2.0 device
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> *transistors
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good Dan-K2VOL I soldered all breakouts today
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb_ : I got a question
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> would you make another of those dust experiments/are you still interested in them?
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> no, not any more
[20:39] <Hibby> Dan-K2VOL: busy day?
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL> quite, Hibby, first day for new guy, keeping me busy getting him up to speed!
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL> how about your day?
[20:41] <Hibby> as busy as wandering between alcohol drinking shops and coffee drinking shops can be
[20:41] <Upu> shows you how much I know about twitter just noticed all the mentions from when we launched with James May sorry I didn't respond Olly , Adam and fsphil
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> haha hibby, I'm glad you're able to enjoy the liquids of Louisville
[20:42] <Hibby> bbc pale ale is godly
[20:42] <Dan-K2VOL> mmm where did you sample that oen
[20:42] <Hibby> reminds me of my favourite back home
[20:42] <Hibby> possibly mirage on bardstown
[20:42] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[20:43] <Hibby> bizarre hippy-esque cafe
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> btw Dan-K2VOL having it soldered means that I can have a tracker probably very soon
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:45] <Dan-K2VOL> nice kevin!
[20:46] <Hibby> kitty likes ponies, btw...
[20:46] <Hibby> ben appears nonplussed.
[20:48] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha oh did you bring home some more flaming horses?
[20:50] <Hibby> nah, was just watching some as i woke up
[20:50] <Hibby> the cookie.dough pop tarts may have been more exciting, i dont know.
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[20:56] <Dan-K2VOL> oh cookie dough...
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:57] <fsphil> mmmm cookies
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> here in the city they finally have places for Ben&Jerry's ice cream
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[22:07] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitd3MvXQrw
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[22:13] <Upu> if you like your trance Laurenceb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QN_NBFfOFY
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[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[23:14] <Hibby> nn
[23:14] <Darkside> nn
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