highaltitude.log.20110831

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[01:15] <Wild-Wing> hey every one
[01:16] <Hibby> hola
[01:17] <Wild-Wing> how are you
[01:19] <Hibby> very well, yourself?
[01:19] <Wild-Wing> im good
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[01:21] <Wild-Wing> has anyone ever used a makita battery before
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[01:23] <Hibby> Can't say I have, or know of this lot doing it
[01:23] <Hibby> Generally, we stick to Energizer Lithium
[01:24] <Hibby> they fit the phsical requirements of our systems pretty well
[01:25] <Wild-Wing> i figured its 18v and pretty light at least the compact ones are
[01:29] <Wild-Wing> and their li-po if i remember correctly
[01:45] <Hibby> just depends on what you're running from it
[01:46] <Hibby> Arduino and GPS units can be run from 5V supplies comfortably
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[01:46] <Wild-Wing> lol do you remember how to calculate watt hours
[01:46] <Hibby> it's more a matter of capacity, in mAh that you want big
[01:46] <Hibby> and that it'll handle -40
[01:47] <Hibby> watt hours is number of watts *60*60 i imagine
[01:48] <Hibby> in terms of draw
[01:49] <Hibby> as for the battery, it'll be related to the mAh capacity or something
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[01:49] <Hibby> I only have a degree in EE, i cant remember
[01:53] <Wild-Wing> hehe im had the answer on a sticky lol
[01:54] <Hibby> haha
[02:01] <Wild-Wing> hehe i need t figure out the power requirements lol could include a 18v for cutdown
[02:04] <Hibby> haha
[02:04] <Hibby> we used way less than that
[02:05] <Hibby> I think we had 3.3V on our cutdown wire
[02:05] <Hibby> load of useful design data from some of our student groups is available at http://sunset-skypod.co.uk/
[02:10] <Wild-Wing> hehe
[02:15] <Wild-Wing> for 1800c would a 9v battery work
[02:19] <Hibby> Dunno - there are a few variables to consider
[02:19] <Wild-Wing> like?
[02:19] <Hibby> things like wire cross sectional area, wire material, maximum current output of the power system and so on
[02:20] <Wild-Wing> say i used the same rig and wire you did
[02:21] <Hibby> there's reasonably easy to access equations around the internet that link the parts
[02:21] <Hibby> Dunno - I didn't run the experiment
[02:21] <Hibby> I'm their academic advisor, not directly involved with the project
[02:22] <Hibby> I only assess them on whether their engineering approach was suitable and their conclusions drawn were reasonable
[02:25] <Wild-Wing> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok i thought you were part of it
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[02:40] <Hibby> They did all the stuff theoretically
[02:40] <Hibby> it's generally easier, despite what you'd think
[02:40] <Wild-Wing> ohhhhhhh
[02:40] <Hibby> one equation, spreadsheet, 200 results
[02:41] <Hibby> then flew the balloon, naturally
[02:41] <Wild-Wing> coool
[02:41] <Hibby> was a group of engineering students
[02:42] <Hibby> so we needed them to prove each decision they made with theory
[02:43] <Wild-Wing> cool
[02:44] <Hibby> which is why their site is relatively detailed
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[02:45] <Wild-Wing> i love that
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[06:00] <SamSilver> Goooood Morningggg
[06:00] <SamSilver> http://xkcd.com/54/
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[07:35] <eroomde> '02:42 < Hibby> so we needed them to prove each decision they made with theory
[07:35] <eroomde> lol
[07:35] <eroomde> this is HAB
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[07:36] <Darkside> morning all
[07:36] <Darkside> (it's 5pm here)
[07:37] <daveake_> evening'
[07:39] <number10> morning
[07:42] <daveake_> Buzz1 now has his full complement of flashing LEDs :)
[07:42] <daveake_> They do actually have some function as well ... showing GPS status etc before launch
[07:46] <eroomde> Darkside: afternoon
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[07:54] <Darkside> hey eroomde
[07:54] <Darkside> i got most of the parts for Micronut today
[07:54] <Darkside> still waiting on the crystals
[07:54] <Darkside> and teh PCBs
[07:56] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: the SAW filters should be here tomorrow
[07:56] <Darkside> i'll try and get a PCB made up, ideally something that can use the bias-t from the FCD
[07:57] <Laurenceb_> cool
[07:59] <fsphil> something tells me my fcd dosen't provide power
[07:59] <Darkside> its only later versions that have it
[08:00] <fsphil> suspect mine is v1.0.. will have to check
[08:00] <fsphil> oh wait it's in my laptop bag
[08:01] <fsphil> aye, v1.0
[08:01] <fsphil> poo :)
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[08:15] <TimZaman> mooornin
[08:16] <Upu> morning Tim
[08:19] <Laurenceb_> where do library files live on eagle in ubuntu?
[08:28] <TimZaman> is there an eagle in ubuntu?
[08:28] <TimZaman> if you're running wine, its in your "C:" dir i guess, which is a hidden folder in your home dir
[08:29] <Laurenceb_> nope its native - no wine
[08:29] <TimZaman> really? eagle for linux?
[08:30] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[08:46] <daveake_> Just saw this on YT ... guy has put a tiltable cam inside an R/C model F16, with downlink to goggles. As he tilts his head the camera tilts in response. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OZCWaJBdc
[08:49] <simhed> :O!
[08:49] <simhed> what's the effective range?
[08:50] <daveake_> No idea.
[08:53] <TimZaman> simhed: little usually
[08:54] <TimZaman> pretty cool video though
[08:57] <m1x10> Hi all
[09:11] <TimZaman> where is the balloon simulator again?
[09:14] <TimZaman> got it
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[09:34] <TimZaman> funny zeusbot: NigeySWales seems to be sad at the moment: 6.6% lines contained sad faces. :(
[09:34] <TimZaman> Nige|S is also a sad person, crying 4.9% of the time.
[09:42] <number10> who has the most ;)
[09:43] <TimZaman> 1) fsphil 2)darkside
[09:46] <m1x10> and I thought Im the most sad person cause I havent fly a hab yet :)
[09:51] <fsphil> :)
[09:51] Action: fsphil has gopro :)
[09:51] <TimZaman> fsphil: what other methods are there other than the ">" standard output
[09:51] Action: TimZaman congratulates fsphil
[09:53] <fsphil> you could write a small program that sends to the port directly
[09:53] <TimZaman> ?
[09:53] <TimZaman> Rly
[09:53] <TimZaman> enlighten me
[09:53] <Upu> you're sad m1x10 ? :)
[09:53] <Upu> meh
[09:53] <Upu> oo GoPro
[09:53] <Upu> borrow us it :)
[09:54] <Upu> promise I won't dump it in the sea
[09:54] <fsphil> lol
[09:54] <fsphil> only if I don't first...
[09:54] <Upu> its coming inland....
[09:54] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cacc015da990c8cd27fdcf079e87f133b8ebedce
[09:55] <number10> nice one fsphil - whas this the place u got it? http://www.amazon.co.uk/GoPro-CHD960-001-HD-HERO-960/dp/B003YMN3O6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1314784402&sr=8-4
[09:56] <fsphil> TimZaman, does >> make any difference?
[09:56] <fsphil> cat stuff.bin >> /dev/ttyUSB0
[09:56] <TimZaman> that doesnt seem logical
[09:56] <fsphil> I don't actually know what it means, but I see it referred too
[09:56] <TimZaman> although..
[09:56] <TimZaman> it means appending
[09:56] <TimZaman> ;)
[09:56] <TimZaman> stating the obvious
[09:56] <fsphil> ah, of course
[09:56] <fsphil> dunno how i forgot that
[09:56] <fsphil> number10, same seller but the HD model
[09:57] <fsphil> that's the 960 (still HD but not just as HD....)
[09:57] <fsphil> though to be honest, it probably wouldn't make any difference. the extra resolution is likely a waste
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[09:59] <number10> ah, ic - looks like the 960 is the only one he is now selling
[10:01] <fsphil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0030ZESEQ
[10:01] <fsphil> different seller
[10:01] <fsphil> interesting, he must be out of stock
[10:02] <TimZaman> A560 does indeed have a tempsensor : (from exif)
[10:02] <TimZaman> Camera Temperature : 29 C
[10:02] <TimZaman> Canon Model ID : PowerShot A560
[10:02] <fsphil> I didn't see that in my exif data... rechecking
[10:03] <TimZaman> exiftool
[10:03] <TimZaman> do note that i did use the chdk
[10:03] <number10> fsphil is it one you just set running at launch?
[10:04] <fsphil> Camera Temperature : 13 C
[10:04] <fsphil> oh cool!
[10:04] <fsphil> the a560? had a script that auto-started when the camera was turned on
[10:05] Action: fsphil shall make a graph of the temperature sensor :)
[10:07] <fsphil> maximum temperature was 27 C, minimum was 12 C
[10:08] <TimZaman> im going to make a script myself
[10:09] <TimZaman> just working on it. funny thing was, that i got an email from someone that did that himself with the 10 or so images on my website
[10:09] <TimZaman> though, i have 700 images, which will make an epic graph
[10:09] <TimZaman> lets see who is done first
[10:09] <daveake_> Ooer - is the Canon temp included in the EXIF?
[10:10] <daveake_> I thought the only option was to write it to a file from the script
[10:10] <m1x10> finally: PayPal exchange rate:1 GBP = 1.09888 EUR
[10:12] <m1x10> fsphil: you can measure the temperature of the canon ?
[10:13] <TimZaman> m1x10: yes
[10:13] <TimZaman> though have to say
[10:13] <TimZaman> the camera get very warm , so it doesnt say anything at all about the ambient temperature
[10:13] <daveake_> Indeed
[10:13] <daveake_> The batteries in my cameras were quite toasty when I got them back
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[10:14] <TimZaman> my cameras were toasty when i got them back.
[10:14] <TimZaman> Ding!
[10:14] <TimZaman> logfile finished.
[10:14] <daveake_> :)
[10:14] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/goEko.png
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[10:15] <daveake_> Comfortably above zero at all points then
[10:15] <TimZaman> ahh mine is done too
[10:15] <TimZaman> though dont have an x-axis
[10:17] <TimZaman> where do i paste such a thing
[10:17] <fsphil> imgur is handy
[10:18] <TimZaman> it is handy. http://i.imgur.com/hG5xi.png
[10:18] <TimZaman> you can clearly see that only in the freefall did it lose a lot of heat
[10:19] <TimZaman> then when it landed it was at its coldest, and then slowly gaining heat
[10:19] <fsphil> most of my heat was lost during ascent
[10:19] <fsphil> it warmed up again near the peak altitude
[10:19] <TimZaman> yes your graph is pretty cool
[10:19] <fsphil> then got colder during descent -- reached its coldest point then
[10:20] <fsphil> and got warmer in the trees ;)
[10:20] <TimZaman> =D silly trees
[10:20] <fsphil> doubly neat as I didn't even know I had the sensor
[10:20] <daveake_> Indeed :)
[10:20] <TimZaman> told you yesterday.
[10:21] <daveake_> I stuck a DS18B20 to mine!
[10:21] <daveake_> That'sa gram of weight I can save next time:)
[10:22] <TimZaman> ds18b20 dont work well with me
[10:22] <TimZaman> sometimes it just gives a max temp
[10:22] <TimZaman> then sometimes it doesnt
[10:23] <daveake_> Running on parasitic power?
[10:23] <TimZaman> omg my computer doesnt know the "java" command.
[10:23] <TimZaman> what library is that?
[10:24] <daveake_> I always run a power line to the DS18B20's ... they can be a bit iffy on parasitic power
[10:25] <TimZaman> nm
[10:25] <TimZaman> fsphil: as i said im running some valid image detection.. any suggestions?
[10:25] <TimZaman> i got a histogram pulled out (which takes a second to compute though) with imagemagick and a standarddeviation from the same
[10:30] <fsphil> none really- all I was going to do was watch the size of the jpeg the camera sends
[10:30] <fsphil> don't send one that's too big or too small
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[10:36] <TimZaman> omg why do i get to have the yellow payload
[10:38] Action: TimZaman is pleased http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:39] <number10> I think Upu should get the pinl icon on tracker
[10:39] <number10> pink
[10:40] <TimZaman> gotta say the tracker workd really well
[10:40] <TimZaman> Wow geeez Xaben 1 almost reached 40k!/
[10:43] <fsphil> impressive eh
[10:43] <daveake_> Not far off Darkside's, yet with a balloon half the size
[10:44] <fsphil> faster ascent too
[10:44] <fsphil> which I think is the key
[10:44] <daveake_> So it doesn't float/bounce?
[10:45] <fsphil> gets higher
[10:45] <fsphil> I think darkside's payload would have gone higher with a bit more gas in it
[10:46] <daveake_> Though from the predictors, less gas = higher
[10:46] <daveake_> It's interesting
[10:46] <daveake_> Maybe there's a "sweet spot"
[10:47] <daveake_> So when is your record attempt?
[10:47] <Upu> the burst calc doesn't work for Hwoyee
[10:47] <Upu> needs more data I think
[10:48] <Upu> be interested to see what happens when you put a normal payload with a normal ascent rate on a 1600g Hwoyee
[10:53] <TimZaman> got some news from that government
[10:54] <TimZaman> i can use ALL radiostuff i want, as long as i can shut it down
[10:54] <TimZaman> that means that if i get an uplink, i can go ahead and use 100W
[10:55] <daveake_> I have a Hwoyee 1600 and 2 1000's. At the moment I'm intending to use a 1000 for a normal payload (900g or so) and a 1600 for a light (100g) payload. Might rethink that in light of the "burst off" result with 800g balloons
[10:56] <fsphil> daveake_, sometime in september. really depends on the caa atm
[10:56] <TimZaman> Just go the track&trace number of my two 1600g's
[10:56] <TimZaman> fsphil: cant we make a RLY small webcam payload?
[10:56] <TimZaman> webcam=c328
[10:57] <Randomskk> Upu: I think the problem is more that the burst calc doesn't work very well beyond 36km ish, but that was never an issue with the kaymont balloons
[10:57] <Randomskk> also I think hwoyee's quoted burst diameters are a lie :P
[10:57] <Upu> I agree :)
[10:57] <daveake_> :)
[10:57] <Upu> well we just need more data
[10:58] <daveake_> yep
[10:58] <fsphil> TimZaman, I suspect so - that's what my aim is
[10:58] <fsphil> minimum needed to fly a c328 camera
[10:58] <fsphil> aiming for <100g
[10:58] <fsphil> or at most 150g
[10:58] <fsphil> which will mostly be batteries I think
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[11:00] <daveake_> Buzz1 weight breakdown: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Ars6s__mD18RdC16YmdxVHJ2Vk9IZDJJM1h3VGdUdHc&output=html
[11:00] <daveake_> That'll change a bit, but not much
[11:02] <TimZaman> fsphil: i'd maybe like to copy your stuff for such a launch, the hadie payload
[11:02] <TimZaman> but where do you get c328s these days
[11:02] <fsphil> cool components in the UK have them
[11:03] <fsphil> there are also c329 cameras now, but I can't find them for sale in europe
[11:03] <daveake_> If anyone wants any battery clips (PP3 style) ... I seem to have bought 10 packs of 10, instead of just 10 ... :p
[11:04] <fsphil> haha, I did that once. still have loads
[11:05] <daveake_> :)
[11:05] <daveake_> I thought it was a packing error, but no, I'm a plonker ...
[11:06] <TimZaman> fsphil: the price is rediculous, 44quid
[11:08] <fsphil> indeed
[11:08] <fsphil> cheaper to get an a560 :)
[11:08] <fsphil> any canon's got a serial port we can read jpegs from?
[11:09] <fsphil> some are bound to be able to read images over usb or something
[11:09] <fsphil> I've seen some with a webcam cmode
[11:09] <fsphil> mode*
[11:11] <BrainDamage> http://www.ebay.it/itm/270752614779?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[11:11] <BrainDamage> 15¬ with free shipping
[11:12] <TimZaman> BrainDamage: itll probably take me a good month to get that working
[11:12] <BrainDamage> you could google if there's preexisting code available somewhere
[11:21] <daveake_> Probably* easier than writing a USB host and using that to take and download photos
[11:21] <daveake_> *Definitely
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[11:22] <fsphil> not if it's a beagleboard with a usb port already
[11:22] <fsphil> there wouldn't be enough memory on an avr to do jpeg encoding either
[11:24] <daveake_> Yeah, I was thinking more of AVR/PIC stuff.
[11:24] <BrainDamage> why would you do jpeg encoding? throw it raw, sd cards are cheap
[11:24] <BrainDamage> decode in the pc
[11:25] <fsphil> for transmitting live
[11:26] <fsphil> be idea for sstv though
[11:26] <fsphil> ideal*
[11:34] <TimZaman> fsphil: radio organisation says HAB on any frequency is allowed if it can be turned off
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[11:34] <TimZaman> which is a fairly vague description that i can work with
[11:34] <TimZaman> too bad i dont know of no 434mhz 1W's
[11:35] <TimZaman> i cut thrown my yaesu on board ;)
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[11:39] <fsphil> only know about the 25mw modules
[11:39] <fsphil> mmm ft817 on a balloon
[11:39] <fsphil> you could do good power on 6m, few people seem to use that band
[11:41] <daveake_> Few would be able to with 5W airborne :)
[11:41] <daveake_> GS407 has arrived. More fun to be had soon :)
[11:41] <fsphil> would certainly keep the payload warm :)
[11:41] <daveake_> true
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[11:42] <TimZaman> though it can be done if i had a module
[11:42] <TimZaman> i got the TX2(EH) in by the way. it's a brick of crap
[11:42] <TimZaman> though its nice and small still
[11:42] <TimZaman> very easily setup
[11:43] <NigelMoby> Moo
[11:44] <TimZaman> nihey
[11:44] <TimZaman> NigelMoby: did you get the good news
[11:44] <NigelMoby> No?
[11:44] <TimZaman> funny zeusbot: NigeySWales seems to be sad at the moment: 6.6% lines contained sad faces.
[11:44] <TimZaman> Nige|S is also a sad person, crying 4.9% of the time.
[11:44] <NigelMoby> Lol typical :(
[11:44] <TimZaman> hahah!
[11:45] <TimZaman> those statistics are pretty cool
[11:45] <NigelMoby> !top10
[11:45] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. fsphil(64729) 2. Darkside(57958) 3. Randomskk(44272) 4. SpeedEvil(34803) 5. eroomde(33813) 6. Upu(30336) 7. cuddykid(27647) 8. Lunar_Lander(26916) 9. Dan-K2VOL(26635) 10. daveake(23810)
[11:45] <TimZaman> what are the most used words?
[11:45] <fsphil> yay
[11:45] <NigelMoby> Not sure, I turned word monitoring off Iirc
[11:46] Action: fsphil has many words, but little to say :)
[11:46] <NigelMoby> !stat
[11:46] <HAMBotty> nigelmoby: 2845 words, 14064 letters, 11 smilies, time wasted: 5 weeks 4 days 16 hours 8 minutes .
[11:46] <TimZaman> !stat
[11:46] <HAMBotty> TimZaman: 6727 words, 36005 letters, 31 smilies, time wasted: 2 days 3 hours 24 minutes .
[11:47] <NigelMoby> :o
[11:51] <fsphil> how the heck do you open the gopro box without ripping it
[11:51] <daveake_> "smea couldn't decide whether to stay or go. 1512 joins during this reporting period" ... does seem to join and quit a lot
[11:52] <Randomskk> I think I actually have an ignore their for joins and parts
[11:52] <Randomskk> 11:52:14 Ignore List:
[11:52] <Randomskk> 11:52:14 1 smea: JOINS PARTS QUITS
[11:52] <Randomskk> my only
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[11:54] <Darkside> Date
[11:54] <NigeyS> :o
[11:54] <fsphil> it's the year 2011
[11:55] <Darkside> Date Speaker Topic
[11:55] <Darkside> 13 September Professor Bob Vincent Super pressure balloon observations in the stratosphere - research opportunities
[11:55] <fsphil> you didn't travel that far
[11:55] <Darkside> iiiiiiiinteresting
[11:57] <Darkside> Randomskk: whats super pressure again
[11:57] <Darkside> is that underfulling?
[11:57] <Darkside> underfilling*
[11:57] <Randomskk> well we think it might happen when underfilling
[11:58] <NigeyS> got another picochu flight on the 17th sept, so if james's calculations are correct from his last flight, this 1 should also Float
[11:58] <Darkside> NigeyS: i might try a micronut float launch from adelaide
[11:59] <NigeyS> oo pls do !
[11:59] <daveake_> NigeyS what freq will that be on? My first NOTAM date is that day ...
[11:59] <NigeyS> daveake_, .075
[11:59] <daveake_> Cool :)
[12:00] <NigeyS> unless it gets stupidly high most people outside of wales probably wont hear it
[12:00] Action: fsphil notices the void where david millers email should be :)
[12:00] <daveake_> :B
[12:00] <daveake_> Mine will be .650. Hoping for an early morning launch to catch the sunrise
[12:01] <NigeyS> nicey!
[12:02] <fsphil> but that means getting up early
[12:02] <daveake_> True
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[12:02] <daveake_> 6am launch
[12:02] <NigeyS> i remember getting up at silly oclock for jons sunrise launch ..
[12:03] <NigeyS> daveake_, do it in december .. you can get a lay in then ;)
[12:03] <daveake_> True :)
[12:05] <TimZaman> okay so im including lipo battery voltage in the payload
[12:05] <fsphil> I bet if DM googled his name most of the results would be here
[12:05] <NigeyS> dm?
[12:05] <fsphil> mr.caa
[12:05] <NigeyS> ahhh
[12:06] <NigeyS> An 11-year-old boy, who police say is the youngest rioter in London to face prosecution over the recent disorder, is sentenced for stealing a bin.
[12:06] <NigeyS> lmao
[12:07] <NigeyS> why would you steal a bin? :|
[12:09] <TimZaman> maybe it was from the royal palace
[12:09] <daveake_> Somewhere to hide his Macbooks?
[12:09] <fsphil> same reason they where at a riot I suppose
[12:09] <TimZaman> on the mosfet, (to220) what feet are what?
[12:09] <TimZaman> gate,drain,source
[12:13] <TimZaman> nm
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[12:20] <Upu> I'm going to call David Miller tommorrow
[12:20] <Upu> ask him if his mail is broken
[12:21] <NigeyS> he probably has ukhas on a blacklist lol
[12:21] <daveake_> I sent my application by fax and email.
[12:21] <daveake_> lol
[12:21] <fsphil> ooh good thinking
[12:21] <Upu> anyone got any you want me to chase ?
[12:22] <NigeyS> fsphil, ssdv it to him ;)
[12:22] <daveake_> Not yet
[12:22] <fsphil> take too long NigeyS :)
[12:22] <NigeyS> lols
[12:22] <fsphil> looking forward to seeing tim's 1200 baud attempt, though I suspect it'll not work too well with only one listener
[12:23] <Upu> yeah
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[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> and hi NigeyS
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> cu later
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[13:04] <mixio> hi again
[13:04] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Scotland balloonist @hibbie shared some fun ClydeSpace balloon stories, visiting at @LVL1HackerSpace #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/108888005477023744]
[13:12] <Darkside> uh oh :P
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[13:19] <fsphil> haha
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[13:33] <Laurenceb> http://elm-chan.org/graffiti_e.html
[13:33] <Laurenceb> loool
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[13:40] <mixio> fsphil
[13:40] <mixio> what are those c329 cameras i sew on the web?
[13:40] <mixio> better than our jpeg?
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[13:50] <fsphil> same thing really
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[13:52] <mixio> but i sew that you can put your own lens
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[13:53] <fsphil> yep. the 4dsystems version of the c328 can do that too
[13:55] <mixio> check this out
[13:55] <mixio> http://www.electronics123.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.207684/.f
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[13:58] <fsphil> SPI version would be nice if the camera was faster. could write video to SD card
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[14:37] <fsphil> tis very annoying that. how do you hide joins/quits from a specific user?
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[14:38] <daveake_> has joined
[14:38] <daveake_> dunno. Wish I did.
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[14:39] <TimZaman> haha! i have been incontact with the guy that does the university sattelite. He says he will help with using their "tracking yagi's" on their 20+ story rooftop
[14:40] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[14:40] <TimZaman> motorized stuff
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[14:40] <fsphil> oh he's gone
[14:40] <fsphil> sounds epic
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[15:09] <W0OTM-M> howdy
[15:10] <W0OTM-M> I really prefer collaborating with the UK HAB folks than the US guys...LESS ego!
[15:10] <Upu> less drama
[15:11] <W0OTM-M> "most" of the HAB groups in the US are SO snobby
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[15:11] <Upu> RENEGADE BALLONISTS!? IN MY COUNTRY !
[15:11] <W0OTM-M> Between Bill (ELK), NSS, and EOS...
[15:11] <fsphil> I think it's a case of the nice polite majority keeping quiet
[15:12] <W0OTM-M> fsphil: I would believe that
[15:12] <Randomskk> just like hams? :P
[15:12] <W0OTM-M> not ALL hams :)
[15:12] <W0OTM-M> I consider myself to be a nice guy
[15:12] <Upu> we are just stealing all their records anyway
[15:12] <W0OTM-M> at least my wife thinks so
[15:12] <W0OTM-M> lol
[15:12] <Randomskk> W0OTM-M: haha exactly, there's a police majority of nice people
[15:12] <fsphil> lol
[15:12] <Randomskk> and a few people who are not exactly nice or polite, some of th etime
[15:13] <W0OTM-M> I think the HAB cronies want to own everything (records, inovation, ect)
[15:13] <W0OTM-M> *US HAB cronies
[15:14] <Upu> I love what you're doing over there, just a shame we have so many laws limiting what we do here
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[15:16] <W0OTM-M> aprs.fi down still?
[15:16] <W0OTM-M> or agn?
[15:16] <Upu> http://aprs.fi works for me ?
[15:17] <fsphil> it would be extremlly cool to see a glider with the thin horizon and the black sky above it
[15:17] <fsphil> fair enough it wouldn't be doing much gliding at that altitude
[15:17] <Upu> needs big wings
[15:17] <fsphil> more falling with style
[15:17] <Upu> really big wings
[15:18] <Upu> maybe a drogue chute until it gets into thick air
[15:18] <SamSilver_> it will glide just at a very steep angle
[15:18] <Upu> ok
[15:20] <fsphil> true - the sound of the wind rushing follows the burst pretty quickly
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[15:22] <SamSilver_> wings and things come off at high speed
[15:24] <fsphil> there won't be that much force even at high speeds with the low pressure
[15:25] <SamSilver_> true air speed will come into play
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> I note that the 'dynamic soaring' vids that I posted yesterday had gliders turning at ~40G
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[15:27] <SamSilver_> 40G is "dynamic"
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[15:35] <fsphil> what's the closest to a glider that can be dropped from the air in the uk?
[15:36] <daveake> Legally I have no idea, but I've been thinking about paragliders
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb was doing that.
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[15:36] <Laurenceb> rogallo wing
[15:37] <daveake> Interesting ...
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[15:41] <Laurenceb> http://www.flir.com/cvs/cores/uncooled/products/tau/
[15:41] <Laurenceb> drool
[15:42] <Laurenceb> bah cant be exported
[15:42] <Laurenceb> some people were flying that on rc planes
[15:42] <BrainDamage> you can if it's below 9 fps
[15:43] <BrainDamage> above, you seem to need a license according to that site
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[15:48] <SamSilver_> http://imgur.com/nAhMl
[15:49] <SamSilver_> that was in of my meter room scared me
[15:49] <SamSilver_> the hidden world of IR
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[15:50] <SamSilver_> *taken
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[15:51] <Laurenceb> what with?
[15:52] <fsphil> is that a mains cable?
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[15:53] <SamSilver_> yip mains
[15:53] <SamSilver_> was 118 deg c
[15:55] <fsphil> !!
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[15:59] <eroomde> Laurenceb: we used a cam a lot like the on the blimp
[16:00] <Laurenceb> nice
[16:00] <eroomde> we ended up using one of the big gigE FLIR units
[16:00] <eroomde> an incredible bit of kit
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[16:06] <W0OTM> oh JESUS
[16:06] <Laurenceb> yes?
[16:06] <fsphil> where?
[16:07] <W0OTM> LMAO
[16:07] <W0OTM> I forwarded an email to the UKHAS group
[16:07] <griffonbot> Received email: W0OTM "[UKHAS] Re: [Balloon_Sked] Re: [GPSL] Re: Autonomous Gliders dropped
[16:07] <W0OTM> speaking of the devil
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[16:08] <Laurenceb> where were gliders dropped?
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[16:09] <fsphil> woo, nearly home time
[16:09] <W0OTM> Laurenceb: nowhere.....yet
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[16:16] <russss> W0OTM: from that thread you forwarded it looks like Joe and Bill are simply interested in how you got permission and frustrated that you're being secretive about it.
[16:17] <SamSilver_> why the so secret
[16:18] <NigeyS> mmm cake and custard
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[16:18] <NigeyS> lets have a beer to
[16:18] <NigeyS> !beer
[16:18] <W0OTM> russss: But their frustration compounded with their personal ego, are blinding their ability to see any facts but their own.
[16:18] <HAMBotty> We have !bud !budlight !budice !miller
[16:18] <russss> W0OTM: what does that mean? What are the facts they can't see?
[16:19] <W0OTM> russss: This is possible that another group outside of their own, could accomplish something they can't
[16:19] <russss> I don't think they're denying that
[16:19] <russss> they just want to know how, so they can do it
[16:20] <W0OTM> russss: oh, i beg to differ, as ref in the email, Joe and I have already exchanged direct emails last week around this same topic
[16:20] <W0OTM> russss: well, "maybe" ill provide those details for the betterment of the US HAB community...
[16:20] <daveake> More to the point, they don't believe that permission was actually granted
[16:21] <W0OTM> russss: I certainly am NOT before I finish my current project
[16:21] <russss> ok, perhaps it's different in your direct emails. But the thread you forwarded makes you look like a bit of a dick, tbh
[16:21] <W0OTM> russss: thats ok, I don't mind being taken for a dick
[16:21] <russss> could just be a context thing
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[16:23] <W0OTM> russss: its not my concern whether they "believe me" or not. My concern is that ee have in our possession the necessary documentation to allow us to proceed with flights up to and beyond
[16:23] <W0OTM> 30,000ft
[16:24] <russss> sure but you're not telling anyone how you got it. Which is against the spirit of the HAB community
[16:25] <W0OTM> russss: when it comes to "setting records" there is no "spirit"
[16:26] <SamSilver_> omw
[16:26] <W0OTM> russss: rather, friendly competition
[16:26] <daveake> Hmmmm. I'd happily help someone else beat a record even if I was trying to beat it myself.
[16:27] <W0OTM> russss: listen, I didn't start this project with this mindset!
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[16:27] <Randomskk> it's a question of whether you freely share knowledge, regardless of whether someone else is also trying to use it to beat the same record, I guess.
[16:28] <Randomskk> by all means take credit for your own accomplishments
[16:28] <W0OTM> russss: I am now callus to the idea of sharing with US HAB groups. I have received too many negative emails
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[16:29] <W0OTM> russss: when I started in this hobby, I was ALL about helping the community, but the US HAB community leaves a bad taste in my mouth
[16:29] <W0OTM> russss: and I would venture to say there are MANY other US HAB groups that feel the same way
[16:29] <W0OTM> russss: don't hate the messenger
[16:29] <russss> ok, well I can't comment for all of that. We are all friendly and happy in the UK :)
[16:30] <Laurenceb> whats the big beal
[16:31] <Laurenceb> seriously
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[16:31] <W0OTM> I love the UK group!
[16:31] <W0OTM> wish I was there with you all!
[16:31] <russss> but I wonder if people are being a bit defensive towards you if you're not sharing your details because they doubt that you've actually got the permission (which they've tried for years to get) and they don't want you to ruin it for the rest of them
[16:31] <russss> (which is, naturally, a bit of a condescending view)
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[16:31] <W0OTM> I am here, (in the UK Channel) because I love the UK HAB groups
[16:31] <W0OTM> russss: here
[16:32] <W0OTM> Marshal,
[16:32] <W0OTM> As per our phone conversation, your vehicle is not considered a UAV, and your operation is outside my specialty.
[16:32] <W0OTM> Aviation Safety Inspector
[16:32] <W0OTM> Unmanned Aircraft Program
[16:32] <W0OTM> FAA
[16:32] <russss> anyhow, I am tired of trying to psychoanalyse people from a mailing list conversation
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[16:33] <W0OTM> russss: I have a whole stack of regs and email/conversation transcripts
[16:33] <Randomskk> russss: you don't get enough of that from lhs? :P
[16:35] <W0OTM> russss: in our discussion with the FAA, is was clear to both parties that what the iHAB team, common sense tells us its dangerous idea, but the FAA recognizes there are no regulations currently to prevent it. Despite what Bill & Joe claim
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[16:36] <W0OTM> russss: with that said, its not my responsibility to defend myself to Joe or Bill or any HAB group for that matter. It IS my responsibility to ensure we are operating within US regulations
[16:36] <russss> yeah
[16:36] <russss> I don't know the FAA regs
[16:37] <W0OTM> russss: understandable, and for that matter, neither does Joe or Bill apparently
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[16:38] <W0OTM> russss: I don;'t have some "magic" card up my sleeve, but what I do have is countless hours of research, meetings, ect with the FAA
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[16:39] <BrainDamage> and a a bucket of radar stealth paint :p
[16:39] <W0OTM> russss: its not fair to my team to be criticized for our progress, nor be doubted due to lack of "sharing knowledge"
[16:39] <W0OTM> nuff said.
[16:39] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL1: howdy!
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[16:52] <Dan-K2VOL1> hi W0OTM
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[17:03] <TimZaman> fsphil: argh cant we think of something smart to test FEC with the beagleboard
[17:03] <TimZaman> implementing that has never been easier
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[17:22] <Dan-K2VOL1> where's the log of the chat room?
[17:23] <TimZaman> =)
[17:23] <TimZaman> via habhub i found it
[17:23] <TimZaman> !top10
[17:23] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. fsphil(64979) 2. Darkside(58000) 3. Randomskk(44378) 4. SpeedEvil(34823) 5. eroomde(33841) 6. Upu(30414) 7. cuddykid(27647) 8. Lunar_Lander(26918) 9. Dan-K2VOL(26644) 10. daveake(23810)
[17:24] <Randomskk> apparently I need to speak more
[17:24] <TimZaman> one could argue the opposite
[17:24] <Randomskk> go on then, it'l only add to my wordcount
[17:25] <TimZaman> ;)
[17:25] <TimZaman> also smileys are counted
[17:25] <NigeyS> lol
[17:25] <TimZaman> There's our crybaby again
[17:25] <NigeyS> :(
[17:25] <TimZaman> haha
[17:25] <NigeyS> meanie
[17:25] <TimZaman> haha also
[17:25] <TimZaman> there was one guy where like 50% of his lines contained a questionmark
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[17:27] <NigeyS> heh
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[17:32] <number10> was that me with the ?
[17:33] <number10> do the stats show the number of logins, I recon smea would win that
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[17:34] <number10> sorry smea
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[17:36] <SamSilver_> lol
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[17:47] <Dan-K2VOL1> W0OTM sounds more like you'd like to be a commercial high altitude balloon organization than an amateur one
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[17:52] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
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[18:00] <W0OTM-M> ahh, peace n quiet
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[18:09] <fsphil> lol
[18:10] <Upu> om nom nom car all setup and working, funny issue with the Linglong Rubber Remould Corp Taiwan laptop PSU
[18:11] <Upu> causes S9 noise on 2 meters...
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[18:11] <fsphil> eeu
[18:11] <fsphil> noise is bad
[18:12] <fsphil> also I got chocolate on my keyboard
[18:12] <Upu> also bad
[18:12] <Upu> I have a solution thoug
[18:12] <Upu> though
[18:12] <Upu> I unplugged it
[18:12] <Upu> anyway afk cooking
[18:14] <fsphil> those who've flown a gopro -- did you use the airtight enclosure?
[18:14] <jonsowman> fsphil: yes, and don't
[18:15] <jonsowman> at least not without some dessicant in there
[18:15] <Hibby> it also ruins the images, i feel
[18:15] <fsphil> aaah, fogs up?
[18:15] <Hibby> that fisheye lens
[18:15] <fsphil> so fly the camera naked
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[18:16] <fsphil> it is very wide
[18:16] <Hibby> lemme pull up our video
[18:16] <Hibby> it really distorts the curveiture of the planet
[18:16] <Hibby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLj1vKhpeB8
[18:16] <jonsowman> fsphil: also, air leaves the container on ascent
[18:17] <jonsowman> but doesn't re-enter on descent
[18:17] <jonsowman> so it's basically impossible to get it open after landing
[18:17] <daveake> !!
[18:18] <fsphil> eek
[18:18] <W0OTM-M> jonsowman: that really true?
[18:18] <jonsowman> W0OTM-M: it took us a good 10 minutes and two screwdrivers
[18:19] <jonsowman> fsphil: I'd fly it naked if I were you
[18:19] <W0OTM-M> jonsowman: wow, ok. how good is the GoPro without the enclosure?
[18:19] <daveake> I guess they designed the seal to withstand external pressure
[18:19] <jonsowman> daveake: that and water
[18:19] <Upu> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201107ManLab?authkey=Gv1sRgCLLdyqux5_buDw#5635428145362569490
[18:19] <daveake> which would be external pressure ... :)
[18:19] <jonsowman> but it's such a good seal that it just creates a vacuum inside
[18:20] <Upu> all six flown with cases
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[18:20] <jonsowman> daveake: indeed, it's not really designed for internal pressure being greater than external
[18:20] <jonsowman> W0OTM-M: I couldn't tell you, we haven't yet tried
[18:22] <fsphil> Hibby, ooh arr -- that the sealed enclosure or the one with the air holes on the back?
[18:22] <Hibby> oh, Upu, you and your celebrity tv friends
[18:22] <fsphil> lol
[18:22] <daveake> lol
[18:22] <Hibby> fsphil: I think it was the sealed, as we may have borrowed it / given it to a watersports club
[18:23] <Upu> lol
[18:23] <Upu> he only said 2 words to me
[18:23] <jonsowman> ours must have been the sealed one too
[18:23] <fsphil> I like the idea of having it protected by the cover
[18:23] <daveake> Can we guess which 2 words? ;)
[18:23] <Hibby> Upu: up and shut?
[18:24] <Upu> "we don't do the metric system"
[18:24] <Hibby> rearragne to make a popular phrase
[18:24] <Upu> afk
[18:24] <daveake> "good morning" ?
[18:24] <Hibby> lol
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[18:25] <jonsowman> fsphil: perhaps drill some holes in the back of the case
[18:25] <jonsowman> and stuff some dessicant in there
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[18:27] <simhed> what does using extra long ropes between payload <--> parachute improve? they are really long on these pics
[18:28] <jonsowman> simhed: longer period of swing
[18:28] <jonsowman> and it will inevitably swing
[18:28] <simhed> ah, that
[18:28] <simhed> ok
[18:28] <jonsowman> increasing the period reduces radio fading
[18:28] <simhed> yeah
[18:28] <W0OTM-M> jonsowman: thats a good idea, could drill some really small breather holes
[18:28] <fsphil> jonsowman, this one came with two back panels - one with openings
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[18:28] <jonsowman> fsphil: oh interesting
[18:29] <jonsowman> it's the GoPro Naked yes?
[18:29] <fsphil> indeed
[18:30] <fsphil> so that + something to absorb moisture
[18:30] <jonsowman> i'd definitely advise that
[18:30] <jonsowman> Apex II's fogged very badly
[18:30] <fsphil> worth a try
[18:31] <fsphil> gopro sell an anti-fog lens thing
[18:31] <jonsowman> yeah we noticed that post-flight
[18:31] <jonsowman> I think the plan is to fly that on the next launch
[18:33] <fsphil> aah, the little inserts are just silica gel I think
[18:33] <jonsowman> oh ok
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[18:33] <Hibby> Dan-K2VOL1: the cat appears confused by my choice of music today
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[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL1> lol really hibby, you rockin out to some especially feline tunes?
[18:38] <Hibby> we've hit the point where bagpipes and synths collide
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[18:41] <Dan-K2VOL1> haha
[18:43] <fsphil> that poor cat
[18:44] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Which breed of bagpipes?
[18:44] <daveake> Bagpipes? That's cruel.
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[18:49] <Hibby> everyone's a critic, eh?
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[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=581ebdeda12a3170269bfa3a5be523b90ae15314
[19:30] <fsphil-laptop> maybe just as well the caa are late
[19:30] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cacc015da990c8cd27fdcf079e87f133b8ebedce
[19:30] <Upu> I see a similar pattern
[19:32] <fsphil-laptop> not ideal
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[19:34] <fsphil-laptop> still time for it to change
[19:36] <Upu> it is meant to change actually
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[19:42] <fsphil-laptop> well my ignore didn't work
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[19:50] <Hibby> Darkside: new ponies season confirmed
[19:50] <fsphil-laptop> uhoh
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:51] <Hibby> 17th september
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> good afterevening Lunar_Lander
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM : I watched your video now
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> awesome!
[19:52] <Randomskk> Darkside: !!!
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[19:53] <fsphil-laptop> smea, !!!
[19:56] <fsphil-laptop> 6 weeks until the conference. woo!
[19:56] <fsphil-laptop> I'd need to start packing :)
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:56] <Hibby> nerd
[19:56] <fsphil-laptop> totally
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[19:57] <fsphil-laptop> I'll probably get lost again
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL1
[19:59] <Hibby> Oh thank god. DYrpy is safe.
[19:59] <Hibby> lol
[19:59] <Hibby> wrong window
[19:59] <Hibby> ...
[19:59] Action: Hibby blushes in the corner
[20:00] <Hibby> Not, eh, discussing ponies on a different irc...
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> you'd never do that
[20:01] <Hibby> no at all
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[20:02] <Laurenceb_> herp derp derp
[20:03] <Hibby> hYrp dYrp
[20:03] <daveake> burp
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[20:34] <eroomde> W0OTM: I think you have anger management issues and quite an attitude problem. You should work on it
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[20:34] <eroomde> retract anger management
[20:34] <eroomde> just an attitude problem
[20:36] <eroomde> your email response that you randomly copied UKHAS into was wildy disproportionate and unnecessary. It's entirely valid that people would want claification or at least for you to name your source
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[20:38] <NigeyS> cake!
[20:38] <NigeyS> hello eroomde , Lunar_Lander
[20:38] <eroomde> g'night
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[20:41] <NigeyS> busy bee :( and you ?
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> same here
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[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[20:50] <RocketBoy> hey Lunar_Lander
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[20:53] <Laurenceb_> oooh drama
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi m1
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10
[20:54] <RocketBoy> yeah cool
[20:55] <m1x10> hello all
[20:55] <m1x10> RocketBoy: i got your mail. its ok.
[20:55] <RocketBoy> np
[20:55] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: how's going?
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> fine thanks, and you?
[20:56] <m1x10> good I think :)
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[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10: I'm just checking out the tinyGPS library
[21:01] <m1x10> you have my library too ithink
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[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> I was just reading around you know
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:04] <m1x10> my lib also implements the ublox protocol which is not supported in the tinyGPS
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> which is needed for the GPS you use
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[21:05] <TimZaman> someone please explain what this is:
[21:05] <TimZaman> ubuntu@omap:~$ echo $TEST
[21:05] <TimZaman> $GPSACP: 210142.000,5200.5975N,00421.6360E,4.0,2.5,3,213.73,2.91,1.57,310811,05
[21:05] <TimZaman> ubuntu@omap:~$ echo $TEST"WTF?"
[21:05] <TimZaman> WTF?ACP: 210142.000,5200.5975N,00421.6360E,4.0,2.5,3,213.73,2.91,1.57,310811,05
[21:06] <TimZaman> how come is wraps
[21:06] <m1x10> its needed for any ublox gps
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:06] <m1x10> and its common to all of them
[21:06] <m1x10> no changes
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:06] <TimZaman> aaah i see it has a carriagereturn..
[21:09] <m1x10> and thats earth and moon as seen by Juno spacecraft which heads towards to Jupiter
[21:09] <m1x10> http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/images/stories/JUNOLarge2.jpg
[21:10] <m1x10> some 7 million km away
[21:10] <TimZaman> m1x10: thats one crappy picture
[21:10] <m1x10> TimZaman: no
[21:10] <TimZaman> didnt they bring a proper telelens?
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi TimZaman
[21:14] <TimZaman> "if its not on fire its probably a software error" -> so true
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[21:20] <fsphil-laptop> haha
[21:23] <TimZaman> fsphil in bash, i was trying to append some commas to a string in order to seperate it. It keps adding them at the beginning. Turns out there were invisiable /n/r in it, which make it append at the start. omg. took me 3 hours
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[21:44] <fsphil> d'oh
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[21:50] <Hibby> followinig up on today's bagpipe chatter...
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[21:51] <Hibby> it is now illegal in edinburgh to play recorded bagpipe music on to the streets
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[21:51] <RocketBoy> very sensible
[21:52] <MrCraig> is that why the bbc was poluted with it monday?
[21:52] <Hibby> lol
[21:52] <Hibby> it's all the tourist shops
[21:52] <Hibby> they've been banned because natives complained
[21:53] <MrCraig> the natives complained about bag pipes?! o.O
[21:53] <fsphil-laptop> there's only so much bag pipes anyone can take
[21:53] <MrCraig> I know, that's why the english ran away
[21:53] <Hibby> they banned them for a while
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> they have bag pipe bands here
[21:54] <fsphil-laptop> kilts and all
[21:55] <MrCraig> It's better tha Morris Dancers right?
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> i have some of my family tartan somewhere
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> or clan as its called :P
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> maybe i should make a kilt
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> would have to work out what to wear underneath it
[21:57] <MrCraig> *shudders*
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[21:58] <MrCraig> I mean
[21:58] <MrCraig> scotland
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> ack aye
[21:58] <MrCraig> not exactly known for it's mild winters and warm summers right?
[21:58] <MrCraig> and yet ... the kilt
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> you'd be surprised how warm summer can get there
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> the southern bits anyway
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> double meaning
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> but yea, winter. nasty
[21:59] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[21:59] <MrCraig> erm - kilts keep the southern bits warm?
[21:59] <MrCraig> I'd have thought it'd be drafty
[22:00] <MrCraig> anyway - enough talking traditional dress for me tonight (especially since mine sux) so I'm off to drink tea and watch leonard suskind.
[22:00] <MrCraig> night night
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> and what are you up to RocketBoy?
[22:21] <natrium42> yo Lunar_Lander
[22:21] <RocketBoy> i have been investigating the transmitters and antennas fro xabwn15 & 16
[22:22] <RocketBoy> xaben
[22:22] <natrium42> W0OTM: one hell of a discussion in the mailing list :D
[22:22] <Hibby> kilts suit all weather!
[22:23] <fsphil-laptop> self ventilating
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[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok RocketBoy
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> how are you natrium42?
[22:29] <Wild-wing> howdy
[22:29] <fsphil-laptop> evening
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi Wild-wing
[22:32] <natrium42> Wild-wing, you make my propeller sing
[22:33] <Wild-wing> lol
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:17] <Wild-wing> night
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[23:46] <NigeyS> nn peeps
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