highaltitude.log.20110830

[00:02] <Darkside> and I am un australia!
[00:02] <Darkside> in*
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> Congratulations?
[00:02] <Darkside> and now ev
[00:02] <Darkside> heh
[00:02] <Darkside> im home now, gonna have a nice long shower
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> Is it warmer there?
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> I guess getting warmer
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> Whichbit are you in?
[00:03] <Darkside> south australua
[00:03] <Darkside> not too warm
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[01:00] <Hibby> "too"
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[01:05] <Dan-K2VOL> hello world
[01:05] <Hibby> echo...
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[01:30] <nickolai1989> hello Dan-K2VOL
[01:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hello Nickolai1989
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[01:30] <Nickolai> how's it going?
[01:32] <Dan-K2VOL> decent, u?
[01:32] Action: Hibby waves too
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[01:34] <Nickolai> not too bad
[01:35] <Nickolai> finally got in touch with someone from the Purdue ARC that has a radio i can use
[01:36] <Dan-K2VOL> oh nice, what is it?
[01:37] <Nickolai> the radio?
[01:37] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[01:37] <Nickolai> h/o
[01:38] <Nickolai> icom ic-706mkiig
[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope that's the receiving station
[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> and not for the payload
[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[01:39] <Nickolai> haha of course
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[01:40] <Nickolai> btw, dan, did you see the pics from my launch that i put up?
[01:40] <Dan-K2VOL> no, link
[01:40] <Dan-K2VOL> ?
[01:42] <Nickolai> ah sry i didn't know if maybe you'd gotten it earlier
[01:42] <Nickolai> http://www.nickolai.me/flight-1.html
[01:42] <Nickolai> is it alright that i put a transcript of our conversation on irc on the site?
[01:42] <Nickolai> if u have a problem with it i can take it down
[01:43] <Hibby> I'll be so offended if you do that
[01:43] <Nickolai> if i take it down?
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> oh no problem, I'll stand by what I say in IRC, with the caveat that it's hearsay and should be taken as conversation not scientific fact
[01:43] <Hibby> just if you do that.
[01:43] <Hibby> just like meatloaf
[01:43] <Nickolai> oh yea it's not even a technical thing
[01:45] <Hibby> chat excerpt needs to be in a bigger window - we miss the last line of Dan's highly inspirational words
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[01:45] <Hibby> at least, for chromium/windows
[01:45] <Nickolai> huh?
[01:45] <Hibby> s/windows/linux
[01:46] <Nickolai> that's odd, i'm on chrome on windows and it looks fine to me
[01:46] <Hibby> chromuim for linux misses out the words "electronics which could have been lost"
[01:46] <Nickolai> that's not good
[01:46] <Hibby> I'm running a pretty minority set up, though...
[01:47] <Nickolai> haha yea, that crossed my mind
[01:47] <Nickolai> now that i think about it, i've got chrome running on my linux machine down stairs, brb
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[01:48] <nickolai89> hm, seems fine on this machine
[01:48] <Hibby> ah, it's chromium though
[01:49] <Hibby> given I'm a F/OSS wanker.
[01:49] <Nickolai> haha
[01:58] <Dan-K2VOL> just read it
[01:58] <Dan-K2VOL> good work nickolai, you did what you had to do, and even got it back!
[01:59] <Nickolai> thanks man!
[01:59] <Dan-K2VOL> fun isn't it?
[01:59] <Hibby> Dan-K2VOL: British hip hop can be pretty good - this song has some fun lyrics... the twist at the end is quality
[02:00] <Nickolai> i'll put it this way, to paraphrase a friend of mine at blue origin, "the first one is the hardest"
[02:00] <Nickolai> i was really nervous about it, but now that it's done i have a huge leg up on doing more
[02:00] <Nickolai> i was actually mentioning this to a professor of mine today and he might want to use my balloon to launch a radiation measurement payload his class is building
[02:02] <Dan-K2VOL> heh if they don't mind losing it, remind them that anything you launch may never be seen again
[02:03] <Dan-K2VOL> or may be seen, but unreachable - trees on mountains love balloons
[02:04] <Nickolai> tru, tru
[02:05] <Nickolai> my first one there nearly landed in a forest
[02:05] <Nickolai> i absolutely need to fashion up a strobe light on the next one
[02:05] <Dan-K2VOL> well have fun with it, as you get more expensive stuff (in $ or in man hours) you many want to throw a findmespot on there, it lasts for a few weeks
[02:06] <Dan-K2VOL> though you do have to mod the transmit button to keep pressing from a micro controller every 24 hours
[02:06] <Nickolai> doesn't sound too hard (knock on wood)
[02:07] <Nickolai> I wonder if i could go a slightly more complicated route and make a circuit to press the button every so often
[02:07] <Nickolai> that way it might need less power so it could last longer
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[03:03] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: A very short sonic balloon experiment, live now on http://t.co/n7Q1qwv exploring how sound travels thru a balloon #arhab #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/108374211826954240]
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[07:43] <number10> nice to be back at work
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[08:13] <TimZaman> mornin
[08:14] <daveake_> mornin'
[08:29] <NigelMoby> Meh mornings suck
[08:29] <TimZaman> agreed
[08:29] <TimZaman> that is exactly why i pointed out that it was morning
[08:31] <daveake_> I dunno ... spent yesterday afternoon trying to get some CAN bus s/w working, and within 30 minutes of starting this morning I got it working. It's all downhill from now though :)
[08:35] <NigelMoby> Lol
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[09:08] <NigelMoby> Schweet, weather depending Picochu-2 launch will be the 17th September
[09:09] <SamSilver> 3 sheers for Mr Miller
[09:09] <SamSilver> cheers even
[09:09] <daveake_> :)
[09:09] <daveake_> Same day as my next launch (assuming Mr Miller and the weather are both kind)
[09:09] <fsphil> picochu doesn't need dave's permission :)
[09:10] <SamSilver> of course
[09:10] <SamSilver> well up Mr Millers then
[09:10] <daveake_> lol
[09:10] <SamSilver> we will show him
[09:10] <fsphil> lol
[09:11] <SamSilver> Darkside: is back home and showering
[09:11] <fsphil> my notam is suppose to begin Thursday... no word yet
[09:11] <daveake_> That's 'cos it's not Thursday yet :p
[09:12] <daveake_> You're not expecting it to come thru before then are you? ;-)
[09:12] <NigelMoby> Lol morning Phil
[09:14] <TimZaman> morning phil
[09:14] <TimZaman> fsphil: i was wondering
[09:14] <TimZaman> would it matter -for any (low) baudrate- to have a ~600hz shift?
[09:15] <TimZaman> lets took at the exciting ssdv http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA
[09:16] <NigelMoby> It's a .......... Sheep? :p
[09:17] <TimZaman> fsphil: im going out but im keeping the ssdv for a loop. im checking if everything works, monitoring the battery's, see how long they last.
[09:20] <daveake_> Mrs Dave found it quite amusing that, having bought a read-made polystyrene box, I then decided it was too large and proceeded to hack it into a small box. Ended up with 75g of box and 320g of bits ...
[09:21] <TimZaman> daveake_: yeah tell me about it
[09:21] <TimZaman> yesterday i made my payload box in 30 minutes, i had made a foamcutter with nichrome wire
[09:21] <TimZaman> does NOT get any easier and cleaner, really
[09:21] <daveake_> Nope
[09:21] <TimZaman> before i was using a saw for cutting, well,
[09:21] <TimZaman> Not cool.
[09:22] <daveake_> I did the same. I have a bought cutter but the "jaw" is only about 50mm or so.
[09:22] <TimZaman> also using heat to cut it kind of keeps the integrity
[09:22] <daveake_> So I bought some wire and connected to a power supply
[09:22] <TimZaman> my jaw is actually 50cm :D
[09:22] <daveake_> That's more like it :)
[09:22] <TimZaman> daveake_: that shouldnt make a mess, right?
[09:23] <daveake_> No, nichrome makes a nice clean cut
[09:23] <TimZaman> what is the minimumvoltage of a lipo again?
[09:24] <TimZaman> 3? 3.6?
[09:25] <daveake_> 3V. See http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8533 for some info.
[09:26] <daveake_> I have some dead ones from R/C helis that died after being left discharged for months
[09:28] <TimZaman> daveake_: what do you think about the amount of shift in rtty?
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[09:41] <m1x10> ping fsphil
[09:44] <m1x10> fsphil, just got my magmount antenna ! at 30euro. It's so strong when it is attached on the car!
[09:46] <fsphil> TimZaman, shift wont matter as long as it's > half the baud rate
[09:46] <fsphil> m1x10, that's what you want :) just be careful it doesn't scratch the paint
[09:47] <fsphil> daveake_, I've had the notam arrive early a couple of times before ;)
[09:49] <daveake_> wow :)
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[09:52] <daveake_> TimZaman - sorry was away for a short while, but phil is the person to ask about that, not me :)
[09:55] <m1x10> fsphil: this magmount is not the same as the one you pointed. Its magnet is much smaller.
[09:56] <m1x10> its this
[09:56] <m1x10> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1722
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[10:04] <fsphil> looks very similar
[10:04] <fsphil> they're good little antennas those
[10:04] <daveake_> Mine looks like that too, with the small magnet and the squiggle at the bottom :)
[10:07] <Darkside> ohi
[10:08] <m1x10> what is ohi ?
[10:09] <Darkside> o hi
[10:09] <daveake_> Special day in Greece
[10:09] <daveake_> ah
[10:09] <m1x10> ooooooooooh
[10:09] <m1x10> lool
[10:09] <TimZaman> i just bought a $4 magnetic mount yesterday. just plain sma connector; magnetic mount, and a 17cm antenna (metal wire)
[10:10] <m1x10> Darkside and daveake_ tell me that you have seen that stupid guy on youtube ?
[10:11] <m1x10> where did you know that 'ohi' ?
[10:12] <daveake_> wikipedia
[10:12] <daveake_> :)
[10:13] <m1x10> lool
[10:13] <m1x10> but Darkside seems to know it without wikipedia
[10:14] <m1x10> ohi means no btw
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[10:28] <TimZaman> geez my lipo's have lost 150mA in 2.5 hours
[10:28] <TimZaman> err 1.5 hours
[10:28] <TimZaman> that means... from 4 to 3v.. 10 hours operation time
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[10:29] <TimZaman> i have to say, thats pretty hefty for just two batterys and a GM862telit/gps & webcam & rtty & beagleboard
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[10:47] <TimZaman> fsphil: for some reason it tends to skip the bottom part of my image :'(
[10:47] <TimZaman> sometimes.
[10:50] <TimZaman> fsphil: it would be great if it showed how many bits the FEC has restored..
[10:51] <TimZaman> since i have little idea of the effectiveness, it sometimers says decoded, or failed, there is no telling for me whats in between
[10:53] <fsphil> it says on the dl-fldigi window
[10:53] <TimZaman> ah didnt see that
[10:54] <TimZaman> also, for some reason half of the image is lost
[10:55] <fsphil> that I don't understand
[10:55] <fsphil> does it just stop transmitting?
[10:57] <TimZaman> yep
[10:57] <TimZaman> says finished..
[10:58] <fsphil> you might be pushing it into the buffer too fast
[10:59] <TimZaman> the big images has 108 correct packages, while the smalelr ones cut off at 46
[11:06] <TimZaman> okay it has somethings to do with the buffer yeah
[11:06] <TimZaman> dont see why though
[11:06] <TimZaman> got all flow controls off.. should be on maybe? try hardware control on
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[11:19] <TimZaman> fsphil: im going crazy. something with the buffer yeah i recon.. what can it be
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[11:22] <fsphil> overflow maybe
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[11:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.coolchips.gi/about.shtml
[11:23] <SpeedEvil> Ah - fun
[11:23] Action: SpeedEvil wishes it had been updated since 1995, and there was actual product
[11:25] <chris_99> would a peltier heat pump do a similar job, i wonder.
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[11:27] <chris_99> oh they claim to have an efficiency a fair bit greater than a peltier
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[11:31] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> By around an order of magnitude or more
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[11:32] <TimZaman> i wondered why my beagleboard was so slow - turns out i got a cheap class 2 (1mb/s or something) microsd as HD. got a class 10 in now. that's better.
[11:33] <TimZaman> fsphil: seems this was the problem, had to put it to ixoff instead of -ixoff "ixoff (-ixoff) Request that the system send (not send) START/STOP characters when the input queue is nearly empty/full."
[11:33] <TimZaman> good thing i found out now instead of in mid-auir
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[11:36] <TimZaman> also it seems that the "-t" option in ssdv doesnt do anything really :)
[11:36] <fsphil> set it at 50 :)
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[11:37] <fsphil> ah, it only works on the decoder
[11:38] <fsphil> it drops a certain percentage of packets
[11:38] <TimZaman> oh so i should turn it off with encoding?
[11:38] <fsphil> won't matter, but it's not something you'd use other than for testing
[11:38] <TimZaman> also, checkout my last image of 3 packages, i think thats pretty neat.
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[11:40] <WillDuckworth> i go on holiday for a week and alsorts of stuff happens.... floaters, record breakers & pyro chuff
[11:40] <WillDuckworth> good stuff
[11:41] <TimZaman> fsphil: ah 160x128 is pretty sweet
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[11:45] <fsphil> that's working well now
[11:45] <fsphil> how's the correction rate?
[11:46] <TimZaman> as i said, cant see it..
[11:46] <TimZaman> "Decoded image packet. Image ID: 13, Resolution: 800x592, Packet ID: 90"
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[11:48] <daveake_> Recommendations for a GPS receiver? proto-pic have a Sparkfun GS407 (u-blox 5H) for £64.80 inc VAT. Anything good but a bit cheaper?
[11:50] <daveake_> I might buy another Lassen iQ if nobody speaks .... ;)
[11:51] <fsphil> haha
[11:51] <TimZaman> daveake_: dont
[11:51] <TimZaman> daveake_: i think the ublox from seeedstudios is really great, it has an xbee mount
[11:51] <daveake_> It got you to reply :)
[11:51] <TimZaman> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/gps-bee-kit-with-mini-embedded-antenna-p-560.html?cPath=144_145
[11:51] <daveake_> I've bought from them before. Delivery was a bit slow IIRC
[11:52] <fsphil> TimZaman, view->ssdv rx
[11:52] <TimZaman> yeah then buy fast delivery. are you in a hurry? usually takes 2-3weeks to holland
[11:52] <fsphil> at the bottom right is the number of corrected bytes
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[11:53] <daveake_> Well, launch might be just over 2 weeks away ...
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[11:53] <daveake_> ... don't want to be writing code at the last minute. Did that last time .. :(
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[11:54] <TimZaman> fsphil: aaaaaaah there! i see.
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[12:14] <fsphil> it gives a total per image
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[12:18] <fsphil> well that's stupid, the drop-down box to select the wifi channel on the wrt56gl doesn't work on firefox
[12:18] <daveake_> that kind of this is annoying
[12:19] <daveake_> strange too - should be simple HTML shirley?
[12:19] <fsphil> to be frank, I'd have though
[12:20] <fsphil> var freq = new Array("","2.412","2.417","2.422","2.427","2.432","2.437","2.442","2.447","2.452","2.457","2.462","2.467","2.472");
[12:20] <fsphil> nope :)
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[12:22] <daveake_> nope :)
[12:23] <fsphil> I'd blame cisco but the linksys one has the same bug
[12:24] <daveake_> Ah, linksys .... a common source of grief
[12:24] <daveake_> Though they all seem to have their moments
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[12:27] <daveake_> I currently have 5 development boards doing stuff on my desk in front of me ... 4 PIC Explorer 16s (work project) and an Arduino Mini Pro (HAB )
[12:27] <daveake_> I need more desk space now :)
[12:27] <Darkside> haha
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[13:24] <W0OTM> Howdy
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[13:27] <fsphil> g'day W0OTM, how'd last night go?
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[13:29] <W0OTM> awsome!
[13:29] <W0OTM> wanna see a video?
[13:30] <fsphil> sure :) though I can't watch it until I get home from work ;)
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[13:37] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bib8fd74gr0
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[13:41] <daveake_> Saved by duct tape :-)
[13:46] <GW8RAK> W0OTM - very impressive. For the autonomous control, have your programmed a max rate of descent so that it keeps gliding into the home location rather than just diving into it?
[13:46] <GW8RAK> have you programmed
[13:46] <W0OTM> GW8RAK: yes
[13:46] <W0OTM> GW8RAK: this is KEY to the success of our fliught
[13:47] <GW8RAK> Thanks, that was the thing which I've been puzzled over. Yes, knowing the flight characteristics is the key to success
[13:47] <Darkside> W0OTM: some nice trance in the background there
[13:47] <W0OTM> thx
[13:47] <Darkside> what is it?
[13:48] <Darkside> i'm sure i've heard some of it before
[13:49] <W0OTM> Darkside: I mixed it myself in GarageBand
[13:50] <Darkside> heh ok
[13:52] <daveake_> W0OTM Do you have a compass and accelerometer in there as well as the GPS?
[13:52] <W0OTM> yes
[13:52] <daveake_> Very impressive btw
[13:52] <W0OTM> and 3 axis sensor
[13:52] <W0OTM> thanks
[13:53] <W0OTM> next flight will be attached to a balloon, and sent to 10,000ft
[13:53] <daveake_> I saw an all-in-one unit for about £20 - 3-axis compass + 3-axis accelerometer + processor to do some maths
[13:53] <W0OTM> we will work our way up to 30,000 ft this fall
[13:54] <daveake_> Friend of mine is into paragliders, including training people on how to fly. We were talking about controlling one of those from a balloon launch
[13:54] <fsphil> wait'll the gpsl list hear about this :)
[13:54] <fsphil> scandalous ;)
[13:54] <daveake_> At least with a paraglider it's basically stable, and has fewer controls to worry about
[13:55] <daveake_> hissy fits
[13:56] <W0OTM> fsphil: scandalous? what you mean?
[13:56] <W0OTM> fsphil: im NOT apart of GPSL
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb was playing with a rolago
[14:04] <fsphil> oh I know W0OTM :) just a comment on the hissy fits they have sometimes
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[14:05] <fsphil> I took a peak at bits of that video, looks epic
[14:07] <fsphil> I'd be chuffed if I was able to keep an RC plane in the air for longer than 1 minute
[14:07] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[14:07] <fsphil> I did try once
[14:07] <W0OTM> fsphil: np
[14:07] <fsphil> only once
[14:08] <daveake_> Try an R/C heli then. 10 seconds would be good first time :)
[14:08] <fsphil> I did! I got one in the air for about 3 minutes
[14:09] <fsphil> flew over the house, crashed on landing
[14:09] <daveake_> They had some on the gadget show a few days ago. They wrecked about 8 of the things lol
[14:09] <fsphil> it nearly went too high that i couldn't see it
[14:09] <daveake_> :)
[14:09] <fsphil> the second and third flights didn't go as well
[14:09] <daveake_> lol
[14:10] <fsphil> that lamp post will never be the same again
[14:10] <daveake_> Well the 2nd couldn't have been that bad if it managed a 3rd ...
[14:10] <fsphil> true
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Try some gentler flying - perhaps gliding? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQB16ZaNI4
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[14:12] <fsphil> can't watch the video yet, got a feeling I know what it is already :)
[14:12] <NigeyS> \o/ nice music W0OTM ;)
[14:12] <daveake_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRe-wCO-PQ
[14:14] <Darkside> nn all
[14:14] <Darkside> 11pm here
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[14:15] <fsphil> well that's no fun :p
[14:15] <daveake_> Too easy with a camera on board :P
[14:16] <daveake_> Takes a lot of practice to have the thing pointing towards you, keeping it in the air remembering that left on the toggle is to the right in front of you.
[14:17] <NigeyS> nn Darkside
[14:19] <number10> cya
[14:20] <daveake_> So, I've ordered a GS407, not another Lassen :)
[14:20] <number10> did u have probs with the Lassen?
[14:21] <daveake_> Not after managing to misconfigure it, no, but I'm building 2 different payloads
[14:21] <daveake_> Lassen is going in the smaller one (it needs less power so smaller batteries)
[14:21] <number10> excellent - are you getting the GS407 from abroad
[14:22] <daveake_> proto-pic
[14:22] <NigeyS> haha dave you not feeling the lassen love? :p
[14:22] <daveake_> It's <cough> a business purchase <cough> so I get the VAT back
[14:22] <daveake_> NigeyS no lol
[14:22] <number10> ic lol
[14:22] <NigeyS> :p
[14:22] <number10> yould have got two - one for your buisness partner number10 ;)
[14:23] <daveake_> I do GPS stuff anyway for work, so no problem arguiing that one
[14:23] <daveake_> toooo late!
[14:24] <number10> is the smaller one a micro foil balloon?
[14:25] <daveake_> No, a big latex one
[14:25] <daveake_> hint
[14:26] <number10> mmm * number10 a bit slow at the mo
[14:27] <daveake_> Well, flying as high as possible seems to be the flavour of the month
[14:27] <number10> oh I c -- break the UK record -
[14:27] <number10> attempt
[14:28] <daveake_> Well, I did ask about that a few weeks ago and was told about floaters at 36km and "there be dragons" above that height, but I thought I'd have a go anyway. So I ordered a 1600g Hwoyee and set about building a payload at around 100g. Then Darkside came along and beat the record by 5km!
[14:29] <number10> thats the GPS that Darkside uses at home - any reason for preference over FSA03 - or is it just down to robustness
[14:29] <number10> yes what a cheek, and we helped him out aswell
[14:30] <daveake_> Not tried either before so can't comment
[14:30] <daveake_> Indeed
[14:30] <daveake_> :)
[14:30] <number10> you going to launch the light weight one from EARS or back at home
[14:31] <daveake_> Current plan is EARS
[14:31] <daveake_> I have an application in for a home launch but that will be a full-fat job with camera and video
[14:32] <daveake_> That's what I did in my one flight so far. I've got the payload down in weight by 200g (from 1kg)
[14:34] <number10> more expensive cameras?
[14:34] <daveake_> I had a dream last night in which I launched both together. Slightly sub-optimal since I only have one receiver
[14:34] <daveake_> Besides which both my NTX2's are on the same frequency
[14:34] <daveake_> Same as last time - Canon A480 and Kodak Zx1
[14:35] <daveake_> I've changed the way the payload goes together, so the cameras can go in last instead of first. Last time I managed to switch the Canon off when I was messing about with the electronics.
[14:37] <daveake_> Also, this time I'm taking the advice re line lengths and including a swivel, so the video should be a bit smoother!
[14:38] <griffonbot> Received email: W0OTM "[UKHAS] iHAB Project - BallooMerang (BM-1) T-Flight #2"
[14:39] <number10> I would be interested to see the details sometime daveake_ as I have no idea about how to string one of these up
[14:43] <fsphil> daveake_, time sharing. transmit one payload one minute, the other payload the next minute
[14:43] <daveake_> Could do :)
[14:44] <daveake_> As it happens, that's exactly the technique used for the work project I'm on at the moment
[14:44] <fsphil> but yea, launching two balloons at the same time is not a sane thing to do unless you're name is Steve
[14:44] <daveake_> though that switches every 50ms roughly
[14:44] <daveake_> :)
[14:44] <daveake_> My NOTAM application is for one only
[14:44] <daveake_> Anyway, 2 days = 2 days out
[14:45] <fsphil> wonder how often the notaminfo site updates
[14:46] <daveake_> Isn't test kit supposed to help? Been running a CAN bus app between 2 dev boards running my firmware for about 7 hours now. Firmware runs fine but the Microchip Analyser keeps forgetting what CAN bus speed it's supposed to be using. Not good when the test kit is less reliable than the stuff being tested ...
[14:47] <daveake_> For my last NOTAM, I got the certificate by email on the Firday morning, but the NOTAM map was showing it the previous afternoon ...
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[14:50] <number10> mmm strange quit message
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[14:51] <number10> off home :)
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[14:55] <m1x10> hi
[14:55] <m1x10> all
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[15:08] <W0OTM> Hi m1x10
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[15:16] <SamSilver> Dan-K2VOL: cat wake you up?
[15:17] <fsphil> I think Hibby's been training that cat to do evil things
[15:17] <daveake_> They don't need training :B
[15:17] <daveake_> We've got 4 of the cunning creatures
[15:18] <SamSilver> I myself have 3 of th devils children
[15:27] <daveake_> Arrrrrggh .. that's 2 RS232 devices this week with Tx and Rx labelled the wrong way round.
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[15:28] <daveake_> I'd have a better succeess rate if I just guessed rather than believe what's written down ...
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[15:32] <Hibby> fsphil: don't tell him about the cat training
[15:33] <Hibby> it's experimental work in progress
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[15:41] <SamSilver> daveake_: have you been doing any testing? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llCm2-awEd4&feature=related
[15:41] <fsphil> drat :)
[15:43] <daveake_> lol
[15:43] <daveake_> Not that many lights on mine!
[15:43] <SamSilver> OH Sh!t soo that was a real one????
[15:44] <SamSilver> lol
[15:44] <daveake_> Must be :p
[15:44] <SamSilver> ahhh laughing at my own funnies
[15:44] <SamSilver> time for a beer
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[16:38] <Hibby> http://imgur.com/gallery/Lbp30 science jokes, lol
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[16:42] <daveake_> Linux joke .. http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png
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[16:45] <Hibby> :)
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[16:48] <number10> can anyone help with a receiver issue
[16:48] <Hibby> I may be able to hold back on my sarcasm to be useful for a short while, if I can work it out...
[16:49] <number10> cheers - I have an old AR 8000 seems to work OK just got an used AOR 8200 and on USB it sounds muffled - seems OK on LSB
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[16:50] <eroomde> i'd use it on lsb
[16:51] <eroomde> consultancy invoice in the post.
[16:51] <number10> thats the practicle answer ed - but I was wondering if I had bought a duffer
[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[16:51] <eroomde> what are you listening to to check this?
[16:52] <number10> I have a pic running NTX2 sending a string
[16:52] <number10> works fine on the AOR 8000 botyh USB and LSB
[16:52] <eroomde> ok
[16:53] <eroomde> and the rtty stream is definitley in the same bit of the 3khz audio passband in each case?
[16:53] <eroomde> i'm just thinking about the passband filter and that you might be clipping off some bits of the mark or space freq
[16:53] <number10> yes
[16:54] <number10> same shift
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[16:55] <eroomde> are they on the same dial freq ooi?
[16:57] <number10> I have to tune the 8200 slightly lower frequency to get the signal
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[17:02] <eroomde> hmm can't think of a cause that can be explained assuming it's working
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[17:05] <number10> cheers ed eroomde - I just put the 8200 on table to retry the 8000, I have now I retried the 8200 and it seems OK - I wonder if loose connection - interesting I have to select Rv to make it decode
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[17:13] <number10> eroomde, I think there is a hardware fault - I give it a gentle tap and USB works but LSB muffled - then I repeat the process and LSB works but USB is muffled
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[17:24] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[17:25] <SamSilver> number10: we have a radio in the club house (shack) that has a sign on it that tells you where to give it a slap!
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[17:27] <number10> thats great - mind you I have just bought the thing on ebay SamSilver
[17:29] <SamSilver> :- |
[17:29] <Hibby> looking at my paper from this year... even in that I'm a sarcastic bastard
[17:30] <SamSilver> Hibby: dry humour to thr n'th degree might be a better way of saying it
[17:30] <SamSilver> thr = the
[17:30] <Hibby> "unfortunately for me, this simple idea ended up being considerably more difficult than turning up and turning on the radios as I'd hoped, however the ensuing experiments have provided further padding for this final review of the initial year's activities and developments"
[17:30] <SamSilver> din dins time > afk
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[17:33] <mattltm> ping daveake_
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[17:34] <daveake_> pong
[17:34] <mattltm> AT+CMGF ?
[17:35] <mattltm> +CMGF: 0
[17:35] <mattltm> OK
[17:35] <mattltm> Thats the responce
[17:35] <mattltm> AT+CMGF =0
[17:35] <mattltm> OK
[17:35] <mattltm> AT+CMGF =1
[17:35] <mattltm> +CMS ERROR: 303
[17:35] <fsphil> +++AT
[17:35] <daveake_> PDU only.
[17:35] <mattltm> :(
[17:36] <daveake_> Take it like a man
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[17:36] <daveake_> Chuck it in the bin ;)
[17:36] <mattltm> Lol, just like my army days!
[17:36] <daveake_> I have some code for PDU if you want
[17:36] <fsphil> your modem not do ascii sms?
[17:36] <mattltm> So I guess I need to find a phone that "is" text ready.
[17:37] <mattltm> fsphil: It appears so :(
[17:37] <daveake_> fsphil - no, that's what the "0" response is. "1" indicates text mode
[17:37] <fsphil> ah
[17:38] <fsphil> number10, are you retuning after you switch modes?
[17:38] <number10> yes fsphil
[17:38] <fsphil> that is weird then!
[17:38] <mattltm> I guess this list is wrong: http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?topic=52794.0
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[17:41] <number10> I'll check again incase I was not tuning correctly fsphil. I'll set one VFO too USB the other to LSB
[17:42] <mattltm> daveake_: What sony phone did you say that you used?
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[17:45] <mattltm> Looks like the T230 may be ok.
[17:46] <daveake_> I thought this piezo sounder was a bit feeble, well very feeble, when switched on from the Arduino output.
[17:46] <daveake_> Note to self: remember to set the pin mode so it knows it's supposed to be an output ...
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[17:49] <fsphil> W0OTM, just watched the video. fantastic stuff
[17:50] <W0OTM> thanks!
[17:50] <W0OTM> epic fun!
[17:50] <fsphil> it stayed up a lot longer than I'd have expected
[17:51] <W0OTM> im still crunching the telemtry data, so ill have specifics on glide performance, time aloft, ect
[17:53] <fsphil> lovely bit of flying by the taxi
[17:54] <W0OTM> yes, Don is a great pilot
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[17:56] <number10> thanks for the help guys (eroomde and psphil) - seems to be working - maybe I needed a bash round the head if it wasn't an intermittent problem - One thing I notice that on fldigi I need to select Rv when changing between LSB and USB but do not have to on the AOR800 - is that just the way fldigi works?
[17:56] <Dan-K2VOL> W0OTM you could do the SpaceShipOne method of stabilization while above 40,000 ft
[17:57] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: we are working with a aircraft design engineer from Boing to produce a prototype aircraft for tests above 30K feet
[17:57] <number10> W0OTM can you post the link to the video I think I missed it - got booted
[17:58] Nick change: fsphil -> psphil
[17:58] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bib8fd74gr0
[17:58] <number10> ta
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[18:05] <number10> pretty cool W0OTM
[18:05] <W0OTM> number10: thanks
[18:05] <W0OTM> I cant tell you how excited the team is
[18:06] <psphil> I bet
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[18:06] <Hibby> psphil: adding something to the end of a letter?
[18:06] <psphil> always :)
[18:06] <number10> It looks fun - I must check out the rest of the info
[18:06] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:07] <NigeyS> evening James
[18:07] <number10> evening
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[18:09] <NigeyS> jcoxon, Picochu-2, September 17th.
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[18:14] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Nigey
[18:15] <Hibby> pikapika
[18:16] <NigeyS> hey dan
[18:16] <NigeyS> hey hibster :p
[18:16] <Hibby> time for lunch, I feel
[18:16] <NigeyS> mm food
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[18:17] <Hibby> I have to chose from one of the many fast food palcs
[18:17] <Hibby> It's such a chore
[18:17] <NigeyS> lol
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[18:18] <jcoxon> NigeyS, whats the plan for it?
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[18:19] <NigeyS> it'll be a float attempt
[18:19] <jcoxon> awesome
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[18:21] <NigeyS> hoping the data from the last atlas launch will come in useful for getting the correct ascent rate
[18:21] <NigeyS> unfortunately i dont have a barn to inflate in though lol
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[18:25] <Hibby> superpressure?
[18:27] <NigeyS> hopefully
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[18:28] <jcoxon> NigeyS, know anyone with a farm?
[18:29] <jcoxon> also provides a good launch site
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[18:29] <NigeyS> i do, but he has powerlines in the field lol
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[19:43] <Upu> Evening
[19:43] <fsphil-laptop> hullo
[19:44] <daveake__> evening
[19:45] <Hibby> hiho
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[19:45] <Hibby> when did phpmyadmin get pretty?
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[19:47] <TimZaman> fsphil - git://github.com/fsphil/ssdv.git is the most recent?
[19:48] <TimZaman> just reinstalled the beagleboard with fresh OS without gui and crap
[19:48] <fsphil-laptop> tis
[19:48] <TimZaman> ty
[19:48] Action: Hibby inserts 'old git' joke somewhere inline
[19:48] <TimZaman> Hibby: well, dl-fldigi has two repositories
[19:49] <fsphil-laptop> it has several at this point :)
[19:49] <Hibby> TimZaman: it was more a play on words than a hit at anyone :)
[19:49] <TimZaman> Hibby: ah i should watch more fawlty towers.
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[19:49] <Hibby> hehe
[19:50] <Hibby> http://www.irish-curling.org/ ... wow. I may have taken on quite a lot here...
[19:51] <Hibby> fsphil-laptop: relevant to your interests...
[19:51] <Hibby> Lots of attempted development work going on up at Colerain
[19:51] <fsphil-laptop> huh?
[19:51] <Hibby> irish curling association
[19:54] <Hibby> y'know, because all irish people like to now everything about their country at all available moments of the day
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[19:55] <fsphil-laptop> but curling?
[19:56] <Hibby> They do very well
[19:56] <Hibby> my mother plays in their women's and senior women's team
[19:56] <Hibby> however with no ice rinks in the country, it's very difficult for those currently residing in ireland (north or south) to get involved
[19:58] <Upu> Guys
[19:58] <Upu> can you try this please : http://ava.upuaut.net/stream/
[19:58] <Upu> its just a test of the streaming server
[19:58] <Upu> want to get a few people on it
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[19:59] <number10> seems to be working Upu
[20:00] <number10> has frozen now Upu
[20:00] <Upu> thx
[20:00] <Upu> try f5
[20:00] <DanielRichman> Upu: pretty cool: I think I saw FLME there. What are you using to do the compositioning?
[20:00] <fsphil-laptop> going again here
[20:01] <number10> mind u I just did a refresh page and now working
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[20:01] <DanielRichman> Upu: haha OK
[20:01] <fsphil-laptop> lol
[20:01] <number10> still going
[20:02] <DanielRichman> the latency is pretty good aswell
[20:02] <Hibby> +1
[20:02] <Hibby> it mostly works on my already stressed connection
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[20:02] <DanielRichman> where's the server? do you know how many concurrent viewers a 100mbit/1000mbit connectino could handle (quickly?)
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[20:04] <number10> sounds OK to me Upu
[20:04] <DanielRichman> cool stuff
[20:04] <DanielRichman> it's windows only software server ?
[20:04] <DanielRichman> I presume it runs terribly on wine
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[20:05] <DanielRichman> s/software server/streaming server software/
[20:05] <Upu> flash media live encoder
[20:05] <fsphil-laptop> feedback :)
[20:05] <Upu> the server is Flash Media Server
[20:06] <Upu> currently on an trial
[20:06] <DanielRichman> apparently flash media server runs on linux
[20:06] <Upu> it does yes
[20:06] <DanielRichman> so we can install it on nessie
[20:06] <Upu> we could yes
[20:07] <number10> I can still hear you typing Upu - pretty fast compared to me
[20:07] <DanielRichman> fsphil was mentioning something FOSS though which would be equally cool. But you appear to have got this working so I have no objections to that :P
[20:07] <number10> yes
[20:07] <number10> it is
[20:07] <number10> I can
[20:07] <DanielRichman> and regrettably everything has flash (eww. flash.)
[20:07] <number10> ok
[20:07] <fsphil-laptop> DanielRichman, this ath is probably more reliable
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[20:08] <fsphil-laptop> but I can setup a backup stream from my laptop if need be
[20:08] <Upu> trouble is we tried everything else
[20:08] <Upu> and it all sucks
[20:08] <DanielRichman> haha
[20:08] <Upu> all the open source stuff anyway
[20:08] <Upu> and I really don't like flash
[20:08] <Upu> but if you want it easy to use not real choice
[20:09] <Upu> and also doing it this way means no adverts
[20:09] <Upu> yay
[20:09] <DanielRichman> So does the flash media server recompress the data or handle it in any way? Because FLME is naturally going to hog CPU and RAM as it compresses the webcam data and uploads it, but does the server do anything more than just forward data onto clients?
[20:09] <number10> It was OK Upu - how many people can view it?
[20:09] <Upu> dunno till I run out of bandwidth I guess
[20:09] <Upu> DanielRichman client runs FLME which encodes and sends it to the Media Server
[20:09] <DanielRichman> yeah
[20:09] <Upu> the media server then serves it out to the clients
[20:10] <Upu> think the FLME does the bulk of the work
[20:10] <DanielRichman> but it does it once rather than for every viewer?
[20:10] <Upu> Yes just once
[20:10] <Upu> and you can set the upload
[20:10] <Upu> that was 800kbps
[20:10] <DanielRichman> Okay
[20:10] <Upu> which should be less than the Annex-M can do at London Hacker space
[20:11] <Upu> I should have checked the amount of bandwidth being used
[20:11] <Upu> let me fire it up again
[20:12] <DanielRichman> I hope the FMS doesn't want root or anything to install. I'm loathe to give any more privelages to adobe stuff than is neccessary...
[20:12] <DanielRichman> but if I remember to, before october, I'll play with FMS for linux a bit
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[20:14] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/stream/
[20:14] <Upu> ok a few more pls
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[20:15] <Upu> it is a bit crappy
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[20:21] <Upu> I'll get a Linux version to play about with
[20:22] <DanielRichman> omd 500mb download, what
[20:22] <Upu> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:22] <Upu> dev/sda1 1.4T 8.8G 1.3T 1% /
[20:22] <Upu> porblem ?
[20:23] <DanielRichman> yes
[20:23] <DanielRichman> it's a media server
[20:23] <DanielRichman> and it's bigger than a basic debian install
[20:23] <DanielRichman> ... anyway.
[20:23] <Upu> yeah its pretty big
[20:23] <fsphil-laptop> it probably includes all the libraries from a basic install
[20:23] <DanielRichman> IMO if that thing asks for root it should be installed in a VM, tarred up and uploaded to run as its own user. Ugh
[20:23] <Upu> if its a problem
[20:24] <Upu> don't worry about it
[20:24] <Upu> I have a spare server that can be used for this
[20:24] <DanielRichman> oh, that's cool. I don't really mind. I just hate adobe on principle
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[20:27] <Upu> I know where you're coming from
[20:27] <Upu> however the alternatives don't work well at the moment
[20:29] <DanielRichman> will FLME or FMS record to file too?
[20:29] <Upu> yes thats done on the client
[20:30] <Upu> FLME
[20:31] <Hibby> mmmmm
[20:32] <Hibby> Mubai Chai, sigur ros and gentle CSS work... what could be nicer
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[20:32] <Upu> Whisky, Prodigy and some hard core porn ?
[20:32] <jcoxon> whois niftylettuce
[20:32] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:33] <Upu> niftylettuce is my auto complete nemesis
[20:33] <jcoxon> hehe
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil TimZaman W0OTM
[21:05] <fsphil-laptop> hullo Lunar_Lander
[21:06] <TimZaman> mornin
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday I watched an doctoral exam
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> that was interesting
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> and there was lots to eat afterwards :P
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[21:11] <fsphil-laptop> mmmm
[21:12] <TimZaman> so fsphil, whats new
[21:13] <fsphil-laptop> not much, just working on stuff :) how's thing there?
[21:14] <TimZaman> reinstalled the beagleboard with fresh nongui distro, placing everything in order, UVC gives me headaches (warning bonanza) but it works. running some tests..
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> and I think I found out how to work the GPS
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[21:16] <TimZaman> GPS? use TinyGps library and you're all set.
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> this is the one I found
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> and for Maxim sensors there is an 1-Wire library, right?
[21:19] <TimZaman> y
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> and I think I understood the code for the Bosch pressure sensor
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr93g0XPivA
[21:24] <TimZaman> If its your first launch, dont go all sensor on it, just jam a gps in, radio, camera, and go
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> I still need to find a camera
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> and understand that canon hacking kit
[21:28] <TimZaman> you shouldnt be at that for two long
[21:28] <TimZaman> loads of old canon powershot aXXX out there
[21:28] <TimZaman> for cheap
[21:29] <TimZaman> you might get them 'even cheaper' but that'll probably not save you more than 10-15 quid
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:29] <TimZaman> which is little if you compare that to the price of the helium alone
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> and I got a box already
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> I got a professor here who uses 50 l LHe each week for magnets
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> he said that it is possible to give me the helium for my launches for free
[21:30] <TimZaman> fsphil check out on the ssdv-live how well the uvclibraries work
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> btw I had thought about a pressure sensor, T sensor and humidity sensor
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> Is that OK for flight 1?
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[21:33] <fsphil-laptop> few bad images there TimZaman
[21:33] <TimZaman> yep
[21:33] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: well there is a temperaturesensor in the canon's exif information
[21:33] <W0OTM> Hi Lunar
[21:33] <TimZaman> i flew them on the flights, first time they didnt even work, wasted effort.
[21:34] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: Did you see the latest YouTube?
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> wait W0OTM
[21:34] <W0OTM> of my BallooMerang Project
[21:35] <W0OTM> T-Flight #2
[21:35] <TimZaman> W0OTM: link?
[21:35] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bib8fd74gr0
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> found it
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> doesn't run because I don't have flash
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> and it doesn't seem to be on HTML5 yet
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> probably it works tomorrow
[21:36] <Upu> W0OTM love the video
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM : I saw the first flight vid though
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> that was cool!
[21:36] <W0OTM> Upu: thanks!
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah TimZaman didn't know about the T sensor in the cam
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:36] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: T-Flight #2 we enabled the AutoPilot
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:36] <fsphil-laptop> neither did I, must check my images
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> I hope to be able to see that soon W0OTM
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> or tomorrow at Uni
[21:37] <Upu> just out of interest what altitude are you intending to "drop" it at and are you going to have longer "U2" style wings ?
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> btw TimZaman why did the sensors on flight 1 fail?
[21:37] <W0OTM> Upu: this vehicle will give us drop tests from 30K ft and below
[21:37] <W0OTM> we are working with a aircraft design engineer from Boing to produce a prototype aircraft for tests above 30K feet
[21:38] <TimZaman> dunno long time ago, for simplicity, add them last if you feel like it
[21:38] <TimZaman> make sure you have everything else.
[21:38] <Upu> W0OTM I have a design here : http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/recon/u2/u2_schem_01.jpg
[21:38] <Upu> :)
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah TimZaman
[21:39] <TimZaman> WTF balloomering!?
[21:39] <TimZaman> that would be 10000% illegal in europe
[21:39] <Upu> we are seriously limited over here
[21:39] <TimZaman> for good reason
[21:40] <fsphil-laptop> hmm. guess A560 has no temperature sensor
[21:40] <Upu> yes and no
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : do you know what Nickolai wants to do?
[21:40] <TimZaman> this thing would be very dangerous, lots of metal, heavy. but then again, europe is pretty crowded. that area in the usa looks safe
[21:40] <TimZaman> no?
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> he wants to make a rockoon
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> a balloon-rocket
[21:40] <W0OTM> TimZaman: metal?
[21:41] <TimZaman> W0OTM: the motor in the front?
[21:41] <W0OTM> TimZaman: no motor, all glider
[21:41] <TimZaman> ah wait a sec
[21:41] <TimZaman> no i was just 3 mins into the movie, didnt see piggyback
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:41] <TimZaman> okay NM all my worries are gone
[21:41] <W0OTM> Under US Law, gliders are not considered UAV
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> what about using wood in a HAB payload?
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> there is Balsa for instance
[21:42] <TimZaman> Lunar_Lander: in holland, everything you use has got to have a specific (low) density on the outside
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:42] <fsphil-laptop> I wouldn't want balsa landing on my head
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[21:42] <TimZaman> W0OTM: that's pretty awesome. well will you fly?
[21:42] <TimZaman> when
[21:42] <W0OTM> I wouldnt wont some the enclosures that people use in HAB launches on my head either
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> haha, yea
[21:43] <fsphil-laptop> all mine are polystyrene
[21:43] <W0OTM> TimZaman: We will do a several yet this fall
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil-laptop : what about the parachute ring?
[21:43] <TimZaman> yeah mine were 1kg and 10cm EPS on all sides. though yeah it landed very very fast.
[21:44] <fsphil-laptop> Lunar_Lander, I didn't have one
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:44] <TimZaman> W0OTM: Very cool. i'd like to do this too. ah wait, i thought we couldnt use anything controlled in the air though
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> wow
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> there is a guy who deals with balsa for air models
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> and he comes from Osnabruck
[21:45] <fsphil-laptop> balsa might be good for an airplane, things that need a strong structure
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:47] <fsphil-laptop> hmm.. there's an air show not a huge distance from my launch site. I wonder if that will delay the CAA doing the notam/permission
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi nickolai
[21:49] <nickolai> hi lunar_lander
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw TimZaman W0OTM I found in a fish forum where to get PS boxes
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> then I went to the pharmacy and asked for one
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> they looked quite funny xD
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> but they gave me one
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> it weighs just 147 g
[21:50] <TimZaman> pretty smart place to look indeed
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:51] <TimZaman> fsphil turns out its got to do with the jpeg librarys (because i tell the camera i want 100% quality)
[21:51] <fsphil-laptop> aah, possibly a bug on the camera
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[21:55] <TimZaman> fsphil should i force turn on yuyv capture? and i am unfamiliar with "reading" from the camera, it says it uses mmap but i cal also choose "read"
[21:56] <fsphil-laptop> mmap is the default, use that
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> yuyv will allow bigger images .. possibly better images as it doesn't get re-compressed twice
[21:57] <fsphil-laptop> (re: mmap -- read is a fallback, slow and not all drivers support it)
[21:58] <fsphil-laptop> some old mjpeg cards only used read iirc
[22:00] <TimZaman> actually if i do not put it on yuyv ssdv gives an error
[22:01] <fsphil-laptop> what error?
[22:03] <TimZaman> see pm
[22:03] <fsphil-laptop> you'll have to pm this nick
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> TimZaman : how is your progress?
[22:49] <nickolai> did everyone else just see a whole bunch of people quit?
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> normal netsplit
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[22:55] <fsphil-laptop> yay
[22:55] <Darkside> lol
[22:56] <Hibby> intense few minutes there
[22:56] <Hibby> was worried y'all wouldn't come back
[22:57] <Darkside> lol
[22:57] <Darkside> fuuuuuu aprs.fi is dead
[23:00] <Hibby> "meh"
[23:00] <Darkside> i wanted to track someone :P
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:06] <fsphil-laptop> I'm dizzy now
[23:08] <Darkside> lol
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[23:56] <niftylettuce> Upu: :)
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