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[05:30] <griffonbot> @TheArduinoGuy: Amateur Balloon Flight reaches record altitude in UK: http://t.co/PIrwLiV #hab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/TheArduinoGuy/status/105512026759114753]
[05:34] <earthshine> o/
[05:50] <natrium42> \o
[05:52] <Upu> morning
[05:54] <natrium42> buenos dias, Upu
[05:55] <Upu> you're not spanish are you ?
[05:56] <natrium42> nope, russian
[05:56] <Upu> thought as much
[05:56] <natrium42> :O
[05:56] <natrium42> jajaja
[05:56] <Upu> hey did you get access to the computer with the logo on yet ?
[05:59] <natrium42> nope, it will take a while because of a move :S
[06:03] <Upu> ok I'll use what we have for the moment cheers
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[06:59] <Elwell> right, own up. who did a highland flight? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-14606660
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[07:50] <gerontius> morning all
[07:54] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
[07:54] <gerontius> all well with you SpeedEvil ?
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[08:03] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[08:03] <SpeedEvil> Filling n complex and annoying forms.
[08:03] <SpeedEvil> And putting off vacuuming my keyboard.
[08:11] <GW8RAK> Vacuuming the keyboard is too serious for a Monday morning.
[08:14] <number10> dont get carried away anfd do the whole room
[08:17] <SpeedEvil> Ideally I'd want one with a bigger hose, and a stronger motor.
[08:17] <SpeedEvil> I think around a 900mm hose would do.
[08:21] <GW8RAK> Must be a very big keyboard
[08:22] <SpeedEvil> For the whole room.
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[09:04] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: nooooo - would inhale the coffee maker
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[09:50] <SpeedEvil> How not to back up. http://bash.org/?945854
[09:54] <m1x10> some java person here?
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[10:56] <Laurenceb> Darkside: i was thinging about the bmp085
[10:56] <Laurenceb> i wonder if the issues were caused by signed vrs non signed integers
[10:57] <Laurenceb> so if there was a correction of -200Pa or so somewhere in the cal code, and the pressure was 200Pa
[10:57] <Laurenceb> it could have caused issues
[10:57] <Laurenceb> also the fact it jumped to ~2Bar is telling.. maybe
[11:05] <Laurenceb> if you could try and invert the calibration algorythm and work out what the adc was reading
[11:06] <Laurenceb> that would be interesting, but im guessing you didnt record the eeprom cal from the bmp085
[11:06] <Laurenceb> still you could grab from another sensor and see if its a sane explanation
[11:07] <Laurenceb> http://stars-project.adeptium.com/
[11:07] <Laurenceb> wow im overawed by those aims right there
[11:09] <griffonbot> @danielsaul: Ok, radio module starts transmitting if an LED is put between V+ and GND according to @pexat... Weird :S #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/danielsaul/status/105597424126541825]
[11:13] <danielsaul> Don't suppose anyone happens to know why that would be the case? ^^^^
[11:13] <Laurenceb> i dunno
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[11:42] <fsphil> you got a current limiting resistor too?
[11:43] <Darkside> hey
[11:43] <Darkside> whats the stanrd pressure in a balloon
[11:43] <Darkside> at altitude
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[11:48] <Darkside> hhey juxta
[11:48] <Darkside> i
[11:48] <juxta> hi Darkside
[11:48] <Darkside> i'm currently looking at a cutdown & gas release system
[11:49] <Darkside> so a valve to release cas in shirt bursts
[11:49] <Darkside> ack
[11:49] <Darkside> to release gas in short bursts
[11:49] <juxta> nice
[11:49] <Darkside> and some kind of cutdown mechanism
[11:50] <Darkside> i'm thinking we use a NRX2 or similar, going into a DTMF decoder
[11:50] <Darkside> and use DTMF tones to control it from the ground
[11:50] <juxta> yep that was my thinking too
[11:50] <Darkside> so send a certain tone and it opens the valve for say half a second
[11:51] <Darkside> or send a sequence of tones and it cuts the payload down
[11:51] <juxta> yeha
[11:51] <Darkside> actually we should be using a transciever module, so it can send an ACK
[11:52] <Darkside> it could send short 'pips' to signify that its still working
[11:52] <Darkside> and it could send a tone to signify that its performed a command
[11:53] <juxta> yeah confirmation would be nice
[11:53] <juxta> are you still in the UK?
[11:54] <juxta> I'm sitting in Jakarta airport right now
[11:55] <Darkside> yea i'm still in the UK
[11:55] <Darkside> i fly back on sunday
[11:56] <Darkside> http://au.element14.com/holtek/ht9170d-18soplf/ic-dtmf-receiver-smd-sop18/dp/1420879
[11:57] <Darkside> what have other people used for cutdown control... i.e. what FET or switch
[11:57] <Darkside> also need to find out whats out there with regard to valves for releasing gas
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[11:57] <Darkside> would be cool to be able to induce a float at any altitude
[11:57] <Darkside> so if we strt to see it move slowly, we set it to float
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[11:59] <fsphil> wait, who's looking after .au when you guys are away?
[11:59] <juxta> there's 1 person left in the country
[11:59] <juxta> it's all under control
[11:59] <Darkside> juxta: more than 1
[12:00] <Darkside> adrian, matt, joel
[12:00] <juxta> oh, the population of australian has grown
[12:00] <juxta> australia*
[12:00] <Darkside> :P
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[12:00] <juxta> I had better go look for my flight or some such
[12:00] <TimZaman> Hello
[12:01] <TimZaman> long time no see terry
[12:01] <juxta> hey TimZaman
[12:01] <juxta> I've got to go - I have a 5 hour layover in Sydney tomorrow morning so I'll probably pop online then
[12:02] <juxta> cya later Darkside, fsphil, TimZaman :-)
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[12:02] <TimZaman> bye!
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[12:02] <TimZaman> fpshil are you here?
[12:02] <TimZaman> fsphil
[12:03] <fsphil> sorta TimZaman
[12:03] <fsphil> at work
[12:03] <TimZaman> Ok. Do you have that 1200baud recording somewhere?
[12:03] <TimZaman> id like to analyze it
[12:03] <fsphil> on my laptop at home :/
[12:03] <TimZaman> Crepe. Right ill make my own.
[12:03] <fsphil> I can generate one if you want
[12:04] <TimZaman> Yeah i just cleaned up everything last night
[12:04] <TimZaman> so if its not too much work: please ; otherwise np i make one myself
[12:04] <fsphil> gimme a minute
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[12:09] <Upu> hey TimZaman
[12:09] <Upu> were you after me ?
[12:11] <NigelMoby> Afternoon
[12:11] <Upu> hey Nigel
[12:11] <NigelMoby> Hey upu
[12:12] <fsphil> TimZaman, http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/output.wav
[12:13] <Upu> http://stars-project.adeptium.com/
[12:16] <Upu> we got anyone from that project on here ?
[12:20] <Darkside> Conditions at peak altitude are harsh. Temperatures below -40 degrees C and an atmospheric pressure less than 10% of that at sea level require a lot of careful thought, if instruments are to survive, much less record their results
[12:20] <Darkside> lol
[12:20] <TimZaman> fsphil: thanks
[12:20] <Darkside> its not that bad
[12:21] <Upu> Darkside any issues with me mailing the reg with your record ?
[12:22] <Darkside> go for it :P
[12:22] <Darkside> link the blog too
[12:22] <NigelMoby> Email lester upu
[12:22] <Darkside> i mean, put a ink to the blog post
[12:22] <Upu> Yeah ma doing
[12:23] <Darkside> if i get on the reg it'lll be hillarious
[12:23] <Upu> whats the link DanielRichman
[12:23] <Upu> meh
[12:23] <Upu> Darkside
[12:23] <TimZaman> Upu: i was after you to set the XML but it's already done. i dont think ther was something else..
[12:23] <Darkside> hold Upu
[12:23] <Upu> no problems TimZaman
[12:23] <Darkside> uh oh
[12:23] <Darkside> i hope i haven't exceeded my quota on my VPS >_>
[12:23] <TimZaman> Darkside: it is very cold, but there is little mass to transfer that 'cold'
[12:23] <NigelMoby> TIM. It was upu I said to speak to re the conference
[12:24] <TimZaman> Ah yeah
[12:24] <Darkside> Upu: It's at http://rfhead.net/
[12:24] <TimZaman> that's it =D
[12:24] <Darkside> but its not loading atm
[12:24] <Upu> got it
[12:24] <NigelMoby> LOL
[12:24] <Upu> back in 1 sec
[12:24] <TimZaman> Upu' whats the idea of the conference? have a website yet or something
[12:24] <Upu> give me 2 mins TimZaman
[12:24] <fsphil> there's a page on the wiki about it
[12:24] <TimZaman> but not much info
[12:24] <fsphil> true
[12:26] <TimZaman> Oooh that's cheeky! you used 25mW on horus 15.5
[12:26] <Darkside> no i didnt
[12:26] <TimZaman> oh
[12:27] <Darkside> i used 10mW
[12:27] <Darkside> where are you getting this 25mW info from?
[12:27] <TimZaman> my bad.
[12:27] <TimZaman> the image of the payload
[12:27] <fsphil> lol
[12:27] <Darkside> ahh
[12:27] <TimZaman> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011-08-18-19.18.01.jpg
[12:27] <Darkside> i dialed the power back
[12:27] <Darkside> didn't you know you can do that?
[12:27] <TimZaman> it had a sticker on the -HP but you can still see the dash
[12:27] <Darkside> theres little pots under the label, that let you adjust stuff
[12:27] <TimZaman> Yeah i know
[12:27] <TimZaman> yeah yeah
[12:28] <TimZaman> Why would you though
[12:28] <Darkside> being the law abiding foreign visitor I am, i dialed the power back to 10mw to satisfy Ofcom regulations
[12:28] <TimZaman> 25mW, no-one uses the 70cm anyway, plus, its 25mw with not a soul in 20km radius up there
[12:28] <Upu> right sorry
[12:28] <Darkside> TimZaman: but i had to satisfy Ofcom regs
[12:28] <Darkside> henve using 10mW
[12:28] <Darkside> >_>
[12:28] <Upu> interesting
[12:28] <Upu> that sticker seems to be "missing!"
[12:28] <Darkside> its my story, and i'm sticking to it
[12:28] <Upu> Hi TimZaman
[12:29] <Upu> ok yes Conference in London
[12:29] <Upu> 15th
[12:29] <Upu> itinary is currently as follows :
[12:29] <Upu> Talks :
[12:29] <TimZaman> Ok
[12:29] <Upu> Introduction, overview and direction of the Habitat tracker
[12:29] <Upu> Outreach / Formalising UKHAS*
[12:29] <Upu> Formalizing UKHAS
[12:29] <Upu> New Radio Technologies
[12:29] <Upu> ExoMars Parachute Testing in the Stratosphere
[12:30] <Upu> Discussion Time
[12:30] <Upu> then some work shop time
[12:30] <Upu> *Rob/Steve intend this to be an open discussion to formalising the organisation of UKHAS similar to UKRA. The aims of this are to gain better recognition for our activities by the CAA, get dedicated launch locations and channel launch requests through UKHAS to reduce the number of requests to the CAA for NOTAMS.
[12:30] <Upu> Then Pub.. :)
[12:30] <TimZaman> Sounds nice. Are there people coming?
[12:30] <Upu> We have 26 so far
[12:30] <Upu> but only space for 20
[12:30] <TimZaman> 26!
[12:31] <TimZaman> Oh
[12:31] <Upu> we are looking at options though
[12:31] <TimZaman> well i'll just check out the video's afterwards then :)
[12:31] <TimZaman> its in london, right?
[12:31] <Upu> we are considering streaming it live in HD
[12:31] <Upu> 1 sec phone
[12:31] <TimZaman> ah good
[12:31] <TimZaman> that'd maybe be better
[12:31] <TimZaman> you'll be streaming in the pub too?
[12:32] <NigelMoby> Pub!!
[12:35] <Darkside> Pub!
[12:36] <Darkside> Upu: so you emailed the reg?
[12:38] <Upu> I did
[12:38] <Upu> second time
[12:38] <Upu> I mailed them before LOHAN 1 went up to recommend they don't put a UV filter in front of the camera he was quite chatty
[12:38] <Darkside> heh
[12:38] <Darkside> well hopefully they'll post about this launch :P
[12:39] <Darkside> we did break a few records after all
[12:39] <Upu> but its about time we got some recognition, bunch of "amateurs" doing 7 launches in 4 weeks, taking world records and generally being ace and we don't get a mention
[12:39] <Darkside> yup
[12:39] <Upu> then someone comes along and says "I want to promote my company so I'll do a launch" and they get a mention
[12:39] <Upu> roar!
[12:40] <NigelMoby> Lol deep breath upu
[12:40] <Darkside> heh
[12:40] <Darkside> it is a bit sad
[12:41] <Darkside> i've been able to get a bit of recognition through my uni
[12:41] <NigelMoby> It is, and I totally agree with him tbh.
[12:41] <Darkside> they had their open day on sunday, they mentioned the record at a big public lecture
[12:41] <Darkside> and showed the launch video from what i hear
[12:41] <NigelMoby> Ooo
[12:41] <NigelMoby> Congrats
[12:42] <Laurenceb> ill come if theres more places
[12:42] <Upu> yeah breathing again :)
[12:42] <NigelMoby> Laurence u must come!
[12:42] <Laurenceb> they are out of places :(
[12:43] <NigelMoby> Meh we will squish u down or something lol
[12:43] <Laurenceb> maybe ill just turn up anyway ;P
[12:44] <NigelMoby> Yush!
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[12:45] <NigeyS> thats better, desk and a coffee!
[12:47] <fsphil> NigeyS, re: pub -- who's driving us back? :)
[12:47] <NigeyS> oo yeah, could always get the train?
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[12:47] <fsphil> train would be handy probably
[12:48] <NigeyS> prolly work out cheaper, after paying for petrol and parking etc ?
[12:48] <fsphil> I assume there's an express from cardiff to london?
[12:48] <NigeyS> yeah, every 30 minutes
[12:48] <fsphil> sweet
[12:48] <fsphil> love it when public transport works
[12:48] <NigeyS> lol
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[12:50] <NigeyS> oh hell, itll be an early morning phil
[12:50] <fsphil> uh-oh lol
[12:51] <NigeyS> dep 5:55am
[12:51] <NigeyS> arrive 8:07am
[12:51] <fsphil> ooch
[12:51] <NigeyS> thats to padington
[12:51] <fsphil> take another 30 minutes to get to the space prolly
[12:51] <NigeyS> yup, next 1 is 6:25 gets us there 8:32
[12:52] <fsphil> there's no times yet Upu is there?
[12:53] <NigeyS> oo 47quid first class
[12:53] <fsphil> gotta travel in style :)
[12:53] <Darkside> and you guys had better hope the hammersmith & city line is running
[12:53] <Darkside> else you'll be going all around the plac to get to the space :P
[12:54] <NigeyS> oh yey :/
[12:54] <NigeyS> are there..facilities on trains nowadays
[12:54] <Darkside> yes
[12:55] <NigeyS> oh good lol i think Ds knows what i mean
[12:55] <Darkside> heh
[12:55] <Darkside> YES THERE ARE PLACES YOU CAN TAKE A SHIT ON A TRAIN
[12:55] <NigeyS> haha i just need to peeeeeeeee lol
[12:56] <NigeyS> hrm they only show prices for one way
[12:56] <NigeyS> i dont want to stay in england! :'
[12:57] <fsphil> haha
[12:57] <fsphil> they'll assimilate you
[12:57] <NigeyS> ill miss my sheep!
[12:57] <NigeyS> off peak return, 64quid
[12:57] <fsphil> oi
[12:57] <fsphil> my flight is cheaper
[12:57] <NigeyS> lol
[12:58] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/JNlvV.jpg
[12:58] <NigeyS> british rail m8, that ageing track is expensive to keep fixing!
[12:58] <NigeyS> haha nice 1 Laurenceb !
[12:59] <fsphil> lol
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[13:00] <NigeyS> hi steve, bye steve
[13:01] <fsphil> he's like a rocket today
[13:01] <NigeyS> hrhr good 1 :p
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[13:04] <NigeyS> itsssssss dan !
[13:04] <Dan-K2VOL> Buenas dias world!
[13:05] <Dan-K2VOL> Nigey, is it just you and the crickets here today?
[13:05] <TimZaman> fsphil: geeez im checking your shift: 600hz shift to the decimal
[13:05] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[13:06] <NigeyS> ya, and the mad dutch man :p
[13:06] <Upu> uh
[13:06] <Upu> response from Lester :)
[13:06] <NigeyS> has Dan-K2VOL seen the aussie broke the record? :p
[13:07] <NigeyS> Upu, was he polite ?
[13:07] <Upu> whos officially heading Habitat & dl-fldigit porject
[13:07] <Upu> I got a bite he's interested
[13:07] <NigeyS> cusf aint it ?
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[13:10] <Upu> well thats what I'm not sure about
[13:10] <Dan-K2VOL> no Nigeys, altitude record or distance/time?
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[13:15] <Upu> Darkside you about ?
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[13:17] <NigelMoby> Stupid internet
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[13:19] <Upu> earth calling Darkside
[13:19] <gerontius> he dead
[13:19] <Upu> meh
[13:20] <Upu> just when I'm trying to get you some fame as well
[13:20] <NigeyS> ping Darkside
[13:20] Action: NigeyS gets cattleprod
[13:20] <gerontius> why are you trying to get me some fame?
[13:20] <NigeyS> or mabe a tazer?
[13:21] <fsphil> TimZaman, it was generated by computer not an ntx2 :)
[13:21] <Upu> Darkside
[13:21] <Upu> you can have fame if you want
[13:21] <TimZaman> Doh
[13:23] <gerontius> why are you trying to get Darkside fame?
[13:23] <Upu> for getting the UK record
[13:23] <Upu> and almost getting the UK one
[13:23] <Upu> err US
[13:23] <gerontius> oh
[13:23] <Upu> who was part of the Horus team ?
[13:24] <gerontius> cusf got the reg (well, lester) into hab in the first place
[13:24] <gerontius> ' Staffers at The Register, inspired by the CU Spaceflight Nova 1 project, formally announced their intention to initiate a project of their own on 30 July 2009.[1]'
[13:24] <gerontius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Aircraft_Released_Into_Space
[13:24] <Upu> yeah
[13:26] <Upu> A great effort. Just to clarify, this is a radio ham initiative supported by Cambridge University Spaceflight? What are the names of the people who actually put the thing together?
[13:26] <Upu> Also, excuse my denseness (i'm not an expert in things radio-based), but did you use a GPS/APRS set-up to track, as we did with PARIS? I just want to be clear on the basic tech.
[13:27] <Upu> given him an over view of the basic tech but do you want your names on there ?
[13:27] <gerontius> don't mind
[13:28] <gerontius> and obviously you can explain the aprs stuff
[13:28] <gerontius> or lack of it
[13:28] <gerontius> it was a joint flight between Project Horus and CUSF
[13:28] <Upu> I get the feeling he may want to make an article out of it so up to you
[13:29] <Upu> I'll mail him some names back so you can speak to him if you want ?
[13:29] <gerontius> ok
[13:29] <gerontius> Unless Darkside responds to ping
[13:29] <gerontius> his call really
[13:30] <Upu> I'll wait for him to appear
[13:31] <Randomskk> oh, the reg :P
[13:32] <Randomskk> good thing darkside took some launch photos
[13:32] <NigeyS> Randomskk is going to be famous to
[13:32] <NigeyS> as will ed the tripod..lol
[13:32] <gerontius> there is the launch vid i guess
[13:32] <Upu> yeah they want the names of the habitat develpoers :)
[13:32] <gerontius> that'll be pretty
[13:32] <Upu> spelling
[13:32] <gerontius> i would have had a shave if i'd known
[13:33] <Randomskk> haha
[13:33] <Upu> lol
[13:33] <Upu> so it was Adam, Ed and Darkside at the launch ?
[13:33] <Upu> in a pub
[13:33] <Upu> :)
[13:33] <NigeyS> eating fish n chips
[13:33] <NigeyS> dont forget the fish n chips!
[13:33] <gerontius> burger
[13:33] <Upu> still may favourite part about the whole thing
[13:33] <gerontius> in my case
[13:33] <Randomskk> there were fish and chips and also burgers
[13:33] <Randomskk> and pints
[13:33] <NigeyS> lol
[13:34] <Randomskk> we all had our phones on IRC watching people announce the current altitude
[13:34] <gerontius> and the waiter interrupting our hab smartphone usage to ask fior the liverpool score
[13:34] <gerontius> idiot
[13:34] <NigeyS> lmao
[13:34] <Upu> haha
[13:34] <Randomskk> technically rob and mark were at the launch too
[13:34] <Randomskk> (the other people in the video)
[13:35] <NigeyS> gerontius = ?
[13:35] <Randomskk> who're my friend and my friend's mum's boyfriend
[13:35] <gerontius> 's dog
[13:35] <gerontius> gerontius = ed
[13:35] <NigeyS> oh haha ello Ed
[13:35] <gerontius> aftn'n
[13:36] <NigeyS> so ure going to be famous
[13:36] <NigeyS> i suggest roman blinds to avoid the papparazzi
[13:36] <Randomskk> well I suspect it will have slightly less media impact than the teddy bears
[13:36] <gerontius> no photos from space
[13:36] <gerontius> = safety
[13:36] <Randomskk> haha yes
[13:36] <Randomskk> tons less interesting
[13:36] <gerontius> teddy bears was berserk
[13:37] <gerontius> i've done my 15 minutes post that. never again tyvm.
[13:37] <NigeyS> heh
[13:39] <NigeyS> The Japanese version of iOS 5, Apple's latest mobile OS, will let you know if an earthquake is coming a good minute or two before it hits.
[13:39] <NigeyS> errr...
[13:39] <NigeyS> if it fails, can you sue apple?
[13:39] <Upu> anyway going afk a little if Darkside side reappears get him to ping me
[13:40] <gerontius> does it use twitter wave propagation?
[13:40] <NigeyS> lol
[13:40] <Randomskk> you laugh, but I'm not sure if ed's joking
[13:40] <Randomskk> they did actually do that
[13:40] <Randomskk> twitter updates faster than earthquakes move through countries
[13:41] <NigeyS> hmm thats a good point
[13:41] <gerontius> http://xkcd.com/723/
[13:41] <fsphil> "lolz, erthqke #shakeitbaby"
[13:42] <Randomskk> oh man, how did I forget that
[13:42] <Randomskk> on the topic of xkcd I want to do today's
[13:42] <fsphil> oooh me too
[13:43] <fsphil> I hate it when Randall Munroe reads my mind
[13:44] <fsphil> actually.... the spot I do the radio stuff on the mountain is the perfect place
[13:45] <fsphil> need 3d glasses
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[13:48] <fsphil> or keeping it on topic.. two balloon launches 50 metres apart
[13:48] <Randomskk> ;o
[13:48] <Randomskk> both streaming live HD video back?
[13:48] <Randomskk> oh, my goodness, for the few minutes while they were still in range that would be THE BEST thing]
[13:48] <fsphil> nah, ye ol standard a560
[13:48] <fsphil> jsut thinking static pics
[13:49] <Randomskk> awww boring :P
[13:49] <Randomskk> at least video!
[13:49] <fsphil> lol
[13:51] <fsphil> mmm hd 3d glasses
[13:51] <fsphil> do such beasties exist
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[13:55] <fsphil> mmm.. diy.. two cheapy hd tellys and some mirrors and lenses
[13:56] <Upu> fsphil the james may launches nearly hit each other on the way up
[13:56] <Dan-K2VOL> did you guys hear about the high altitude airship in the US a few weeks ago?
[13:56] <Dan-K2VOL> commercial/military
[14:02] <Dan-K2VOL> the Lockheed Martin one was supposed to go up to 60,000 ft for a few days, but it ruptured on the way up :-)
[14:03] <Dan-K2VOL> superpressure ain't easy
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[14:08] <Darkside> Upu: any reply from the reg?
[14:16] <Upu> hey Darkside
[14:16] <Upu> yes need a quick chat you about ?
[14:17] <Upu> he's gone again :)
[14:17] <NigeyS> lol that guy just doesnt sit still
[14:19] <Darkside> lol
[14:19] <Darkside> im here
[14:19] <Darkside> Upu: who needs to talk to who
[14:20] <Upu> you :)
[14:20] <Upu> pm
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[14:27] <TimZaman> ive got some good news for myself
[14:28] <TimZaman> it seems i can use higher power and different freqs in hab
[14:28] <fsphil> yay!
[14:28] <fsphil> amateur frequencies?
[14:28] <TimZaman> another dutch radiogroup has been doing events for ~15years now every summer
[14:29] <TimZaman> they have used: 100mw (144mhz), 2.3GHz (1W(!)), 432MHz
[14:29] <TimZaman> first thing i did is ordering a HX1 from radiometrix
[14:29] <TimZaman> 144MHz, 300mW
[14:29] <TimZaman> also TX2-EH
[14:30] <Laurenceb> 1 W on 2.3GHz ?!
[14:31] <TimZaman> ATV 2330MHz
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[14:31] <TimZaman> typo?
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[14:33] <Darkside> no typo
[14:33] <Darkside> that seems about right
[14:33] <Darkside> hmm
[14:33] <Darkside> eroomde: Randomskk what was the pub we had lunch at?
[14:34] <Randomskk> The Granta
[14:34] <Darkside> Granta
[14:35] <jcoxon> morning
[14:36] <gerontius> The Granta
[14:36] <gerontius> oh wait 5 mins too slow
[14:38] <fsphil> TimZaman, you could do proper TV instead of jpegs
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[14:45] <TimZaman> fsphil: how then
[14:45] <TimZaman> there is nothing lamer than sstv!
[14:46] <fsphil> VLF radio sounds like a bowl of rice krispies
[14:46] <NigeyS> morning jcoxon
[14:46] <NigeyS> nights i take it ?
[14:46] <fsphil> you could transmit PAL video TimZaman
[14:46] <TimZaman> ?
[14:46] <fsphil> analogue though
[14:46] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yup just 2 more left
[14:47] <TimZaman> blergh
[14:47] <NigeyS> yey! you'll be gorwing feathers and turning into an owl before long hehe
[14:47] <fsphil> woot ;)
[14:47] <NigeyS> lol
[14:47] <fsphil> TimZaman, some amateurs have been able to do DVB video
[14:48] <fsphil> complicated though, and power hungry
[14:49] <TimZaman> hmm
[14:50] <fsphil> I think M0DTS mentioned receiving the 2.3ghz video the other guys did
[14:54] <jcoxon> okay guys - i'm going to launch on thurs or fri this week
[14:54] <NigeyS> yey!
[14:54] <jcoxon> at least thats the plan
[14:54] <NigeyS> picoatlas 3 ?
[14:55] <jcoxon> picoatlas4 (skipped three as its still being developed)
[14:55] <NigeyS> lol
[14:55] <Upu> :)
[14:55] <jcoxon> 4x92cm balloons
[14:55] <fsphil> you're like the firefox of hab'ers
[14:55] <Upu> whens that going up ?
[14:55] <jcoxon> aiming for ridiculously slow ascent rate
[14:55] <NigeyS> nicey, whats the fill plan james ?
[14:55] <jcoxon> so will need help tracking as it'll probably go far
[14:55] <jcoxon> NigeyS, fill inside to get tiny ascent rate
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[14:56] <NigeyS> ah good plan
[14:56] <jcoxon> may have to add mass
[14:56] <NigeyS> yup, the payload was about 40gm ?
[14:56] <jcoxon> this one is a standard pico
[14:56] <jcoxon> none of the crazy power saving stuff
[14:56] <NigeyS> oh, makes it even more interesting
[14:57] <Upu> weekend launch ?
[14:57] <jcoxon> more likely thurs or fri
[14:57] <Upu> ok I'll leave the radio on
[14:57] <jcoxon> though it might roll over to the weekend
[14:57] <jcoxon> depends
[14:57] <fsphil> ooh
[14:58] <gerontius> jcoxon: what direction?
[14:58] <NigeyS> please say west!
[14:58] <jcoxon> gerontius, too early to say but most likely heading north or east
[14:58] <jcoxon> very unlikely to go west
[14:58] <Upu> north is good
[14:58] <Upu> nicer up here anyway
[14:58] <NigeyS> bah nothing ever comes to wales, everything triesd getting out of here!
[14:59] <gerontius> jcoxon: and alunching from where?
[14:59] <jcoxon> i'll be launching from suffolk
[14:59] <gerontius> ok
[14:59] <gerontius> so it might be difficult to hear from oxfordshire
[15:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:00] <Upu> whats max alitude likely to be ?
[15:00] <jcoxon> its a low alt flight
[15:00] <jcoxon> Upu, that'll depend on the final payload mass
[15:00] <jcoxon> which i'm still adding an antenna too
[15:00] <Upu> give me an ish figure
[15:00] <jcoxon> probably 7000m
[15:00] <Upu> oh I'll get that no problems
[15:01] <Upu> you don't need a NOTAM for these launches do you ?
[15:01] <gerontius> Upu: what antenna do you have?
[15:01] <Upu> Watson WD-50 Colinear
[15:02] <Upu> its very high up though
[15:02] <jcoxon> no, as the whole balloon setup remains less then 2m in any direction
[15:02] <gerontius> dl-fldigi is still borked for osx lion isn't it
[15:02] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[15:02] <Upu> hi Matt
[15:02] <jcoxon> gerontius, sadly yes
[15:02] <Upu> I got darkside's launch at about 2500meters
[15:02] <Upu> way outside of the radio horizon
[15:02] <gerontius> nice
[15:03] <gerontius> i will try and get a yagi up
[15:03] <mattltm> Hi Upu :)
[15:03] <gerontius> just a 4-el with azimuth-only rotation
[15:03] <gerontius> i can iterate my way to an az-el yagi stack
[15:03] <jcoxon> gerontius, that should do it!
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[15:04] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/watson.jpg the house is 280m asl so the antenna is probably ~ 300m
[15:04] <jcoxon> as i said we'll have to watch the forecast a bit
[15:04] <jcoxon> to early to tell really
[15:04] <gerontius> Upu: ok cool
[15:04] <gerontius> thanks
[15:04] <Upu> would love a rotating Yagi up there
[15:04] <gerontius> i need something deployable
[15:04] <gerontius> don't have permission for anything permenant
[15:05] <gerontius> but the attic conversion means it's easier to get stuff up on the roof
[15:06] <jcoxon> but yeah just as a heads up
[15:06] <jcoxon> of course searching for the holy grail of foil balloon flights - floating
[15:07] <Randomskk> should be anther fun habitat test :P is it setup to work on habitat?
[15:07] <mattltm> jcoxon: You still need me to get some HE?
[15:08] <jcoxon> mattltm, i'm probably going to be up in suffolk end of this week
[15:08] <jcoxon> so will launch from there
[15:08] <jcoxon> so its okay
[15:08] <jcoxon> however i've got another pico payload in the works so kent will get a launch soon!
[15:08] <mattltm> Ok :)
[15:10] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[15:15] <Darkside> good god
[15:15] <Darkside> just printed out the MicroNut board pcb 1:1
[15:15] <Darkside> its TINY
[15:16] <NigeyS> lol magnifying glass?
[15:18] <Laurenceb> whats micronut?
[15:18] <SamSilver> mini nut on a diet?
[15:18] <NigeyS> super tiny pcb
[15:19] <NigeyS> Laurenceb, http://i.imgur.com/XBjEF.jpg
[15:19] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:20] <Laurenceb> lol radiometrix
[15:20] <Laurenceb> itll short on the sma header
[15:20] <Laurenceb> theres a pov ray sarantel part?
[15:20] <gerontius> i was impressed that there was too
[15:20] <NigeyS> a bit of gaffa tape! hehe
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[15:21] <Laurenceb> or file the case down there
[15:21] <TimZaman> fsphil: im going out in a bit, to see if everything works
[15:21] <Laurenceb> dont want parasitic capacitance
[15:22] <TimZaman> with the payload. leaving the radio here, so itll upload to the server
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[15:22] <Laurenceb> id have added a smps :P
[15:22] <TimZaman> its urban here, but i guess that doesnt matter
[15:23] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:dscn0979.jpg?id=projects%3Aaerosol
[15:23] <gerontius> http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/wa6svt.html
[15:23] <gerontius> sigh
[15:23] <gerontius> hperlinks to pictures ('see figure')
[15:24] <gerontius> YOU@RE DOING IT WRONG
[15:24] <Randomskk> gerontius: thinking of making a permanment antenna for 434? :P
[15:24] <gerontius> yeah i guess
[15:24] <gerontius> something that won't be noticed on the roof
[15:25] <Randomskk> haha looks clever
[15:25] <Randomskk> indeed
[15:25] <gerontius> especially if I paint it sky blue
[15:26] <mattltm> The stacked jpole works very well.
[15:26] <mattltm> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.amesbury/M3FVB/8db%20collinear.htm
[15:26] <gerontius> link me up?
[15:26] <gerontius> ta :)
[15:26] <mattltm> I have one that I hang from a tree for portable use :)
[15:27] <gerontius> :)
[15:27] <mattltm> Without the fishing pole support
[15:27] <gerontius> i might get one of those 10m fibreglass poles everyone keeps talking about
[15:27] <mattltm> They ave very useful
[15:27] <gerontius> that would get the co-iniear up above the houses
[15:28] <gerontius> i then have something to receive with whilst I work on the yagis
[15:28] <Randomskk> I was going to get a vertical and mount it at home with a station setup
[15:28] <Randomskk> maybe I should look into doing that again
[15:30] <Randomskk> so many things suddenly demand my money now I have some. really want to get an actual amp and speakers rather than this dodgy ipod dock that happens to have a line in
[15:30] <Randomskk> and I need a new phone, my one's touchscreen is dying...
[15:30] <jcoxon> on my github is the webinterface
[15:30] <jcoxon> for dl-fldigi
[15:30] <jcoxon> its dirty php but hey ho
[15:30] <gerontius> php
[15:31] <gerontius> aaaaaaargh
[15:31] <Randomskk> haha
[15:31] <Randomskk> be easy enough to hack it into something else
[15:31] <gerontius> is it british php>?
[15:31] <Randomskk> especially with waterfall export
[15:31] <Randomskk> dl-fldigi still randomly crashes on my laptop though so leaving it unattended wouldn't be fun
[15:31] <Randomskk> I guess run it through a monitor that can restart it
[15:31] <gerontius> Randomskk: yes loads of stuff is demanding my money too
[15:31] <gerontius> bike lights
[15:31] <gerontius> ikea
[15:32] <Randomskk> gerontius: also need kitchen stuff for when I go back to uni, set of knives and tons of sexy utensils
[15:32] <Randomskk> silly josephjoseph, why does all your stuff have to be so nice and also so expensive
[15:32] <gerontius> Randomskk: get just 3 knives
[15:32] <Randomskk> yea, that's basically the plan
[15:32] <gerontius> a bread knife from anywhere
[15:32] <Randomskk> chef's knife, something for meat, something smaller
[15:32] <Randomskk> meh I so rarely need a bread knife at uni
[15:32] <gerontius> but spend your money of a good paring knife and chef's knife
[15:32] <Randomskk> by so rarely I mean never in two year's
[15:33] <Randomskk> years*
[15:33] <Randomskk> :|
[15:33] <Randomskk> indeed
[15:33] <gerontius> serated is good for carving too
[15:33] <gerontius> aswell as bread
[15:33] <Randomskk> yea
[15:33] <fsphil> are all these dl-fldigi crashes on osx?
[15:33] <gerontius> try and cut through pork crackling with a chef's knife :)
[15:33] <Randomskk> fsphil: ubuntu
[15:33] <Randomskk> can't even get it to start on Lion :P
[15:33] <fsphil> oh eck
[15:33] <Laurenceb> cut through ubuntu?
[15:34] <Randomskk> a set of knives plus some kitchen stuff was going to be a birthday present but now I think that's going to be restoring a 30yo Sugden amp
[15:34] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: unity?
[15:34] <Randomskk> for probably more cash than buying a brand new nice one
[15:34] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: no
[15:34] <fsphil> Randomskk, can it be reproduced on demand?
[15:34] <Randomskk> fsphil: no
[15:34] <Laurenceb> good XD
[15:34] <Randomskk> fsphil: :P
[15:34] <Randomskk> fsphil: I didn't spend much time looking into it
[15:34] <Randomskk> on my desktop it crashes near instantly
[15:35] <Randomskk> like, it's unusable
[15:35] <Randomskk> on my os x laptop it won't start due to lion
[15:35] <Randomskk> and my other ubuntu laptop crashes after a few hours >_>
[15:35] <Randomskk> not having the best luck
[15:35] <fsphil> will stick ubuntu on a machine and have a go
[15:35] <fsphil> latest, all updated?
[15:35] <Randomskk> think the issue on my desktop is just my desktop being weird
[15:35] <Randomskk> laptop was latest and all updated
[15:35] <Randomskk> desktop isn't
[15:35] <DanielRichman> fsphil: I've almost finished the habitat uploader by the way :-)
[15:35] <Randomskk> but desktop is 10.10 which the build guide is for and works fine and all that
[15:36] <DanielRichman> fsphil: then I'll try and mock out what I think the settings box for habitat would look like - it should be similar, but will need a couple of changes
[15:36] <fsphil> DanielRichman, sweet. what parser did you go for?
[15:36] <DanielRichman> fsphil: jsoncpp.sf.net
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[15:37] <DanielRichman> fsphil: and because I know you're such a fan of debian derivatives i actually packaged jsoncpp for debian (noone else seems to have) so it's super easy to install ;P
[15:38] <fsphil> lol
[15:38] <fsphil> sounds good
[15:39] <DanielRichman> btw re: ubuntu; dl-fldigi is working fine on 10.04 still; the latest git
[15:39] <DanielRichman> so make sure you're installing one of the newer versions
[15:39] <Randomskk> yea, I was :|
[15:39] <Randomskk> I can only imagine I have some library in conflict
[15:39] <Randomskk> it just keeps getting killed by libc and stuff
[15:40] <DanielRichman> D:
[15:40] <fsphil> not packaged for fedora either
[15:41] <Darkside> ehehehe
[15:41] <DanielRichman> https://launchpad.net/~danieljonathanrichman/+archive/ppa
[15:41] <DanielRichman> dunno if any of that's useful to you
[15:41] <Darkside> i've managed to bag english beer in this email
[15:41] <DanielRichman> it's easy to package (ish)
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[15:41] <Randomskk> Darkside: ?
[15:41] <Darkside> one of the questions was "did you sink a few cold ones once the success of the mission was clear"
[15:42] <Darkside> Randomskk: the reg is writing about it
[15:42] <Randomskk> haha I saw about that
[15:42] <Randomskk> what terrible thing have you said :P
[15:42] <Darkside> just that i prefer austrlaian beer
[15:42] <Randomskk> oh god, are we going to regret those fosters even more than I did while drinking it?
[15:42] <Darkside> and i don't mean fosters
[15:42] <NigeyS> lol
[15:42] <Darkside> I wasn't drinking on the day, I much prefer Australian beer (and I'm not talking about Fosters, that stuff is horrible).
[15:42] <Darkside> :-)
[15:42] <NigeyS> xxxx ?
[15:42] <Randomskk> btw I can get the names of the other two people who were at launch / in the launch vid if you want/need
[15:42] <Darkside> NigeyS: even worse
[15:43] <NigeyS> really? :O
[15:43] <Randomskk> Darkside: the rest of us drank though :P
[15:43] <Darkside> Randomskk: yeah i'm about to get to that
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[15:44] <TimZaman> fsphil: payload ready
[15:45] <fsphil> that was quick
[15:47] <fsphil> hehe, another weird pronunciation here I just noticed. "pad" == path
[15:47] <Darkside> Randomskk: can i get all the names PMed to me
[15:58] <TimZaman> SSDV test:
[15:58] <TimZaman> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA
[15:59] <TimZaman> time for a walk!
[15:59] <fsphil> good luck!
[16:03] <fsphil> i see a tree
[16:03] <fsphil> grrr
[16:05] <fsphil> odd that the images seem to cut-off half way
[16:06] <fsphil> stopped completely now
[16:06] <jcoxon> drift?
[16:07] <fsphil> suspect so
[16:07] <fsphil> at 1200 baud there's very little room for the afc to move
[16:07] <fsphil> without retuning the radio anyway
[16:09] <TimZaman> freq drifted
[16:09] <TimZaman> AFC=off
[16:09] <TimZaman> bad idea
[16:09] <fsphil> aye
[16:09] <TimZaman> its like 28deg inside, 20 outside
[16:09] <TimZaman> no isolation
[16:09] <fsphil> was the signal still on the waterfall?
[16:09] <TimZaman> oh yes\
[16:10] <TimZaman> lesson learned
[16:10] <TimZaman> al-ways-use-AFC (on slow)
[16:10] <TimZaman> maybe phil, an option super-slow could be better
[16:10] <fsphil> 1200 baud would need it, even on slow it's too fast
[16:11] <fsphil> if you get yourself a CAT cable to connect the computer to the 817, you can have fldigi adjust the radio for drift
[16:12] <TimZaman> okay im going for testrun 2
[16:13] <TimZaman> but fsphil , maybe its easy for not, please check
[16:13] <TimZaman> can you make something that displays oonly the last image?
[16:13] <TimZaman> if i go on my iphone it has to reload the entire gigantic page each time i refresh
[16:13] <fsphil> the last complete image?
[16:13] <fsphil> or the last x images
[16:13] <TimZaman> last three or something
[16:13] <TimZaman> or just one naked last image without a page
[16:14] <Darkside> ok, sending this email to the register...
[16:14] <Darkside> huge email
[16:14] <jcoxon> eek the regsiter
[16:14] <TimZaman> right im going out again
[16:14] <jcoxon> such good journelism
[16:15] <fsphil> TimZaman, will have a lookie. heading home now, bbl
[16:15] <Darkside> jcoxon: yeah...
[16:15] <TimZaman> k
[16:15] <Darkside> well see what they do with it
[16:16] <TimZaman> back to the test http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/PD4TA
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[16:21] <mattltm> Agh! its wonky!
[16:22] Action: mattltm is trying to work out if that is a lamp on a stand or if its a lamp on a cord hanging from the ceiling
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[16:25] <Upu> hey Darkside did he contact you ?
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[16:29] <Darkside> Upu: yep. sent lots of info back
[16:29] <Darkside> he emailed me
[16:29] <Upu> oh cool lets see what comes out at the other end :)
[16:29] <Darkside> yup
[16:29] <Darkside> aparrently the article will be out tomorrow
[16:30] <Upu> cool :)
[16:30] <TimZaman> Massive failure
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[16:41] <fsphil> this frequency drift is annoying
[16:42] <fsphil> mm.. thunderbird gets even more unstable with each release
[16:42] <mattltm> same as firefox then fsphil
[16:43] <fsphil> the fox isn't as bad
[16:43] <mattltm> sucks on windows right now.
[16:43] <mattltm> the latest version is trying to look like office 2010
[16:43] <Randomskk> use chrome
[16:44] <mattltm> I do :)
[16:44] <Randomskk> :P
[16:44] <mattltm> Still trying to find an email client to beat outlook 2010 though.
[16:45] Action: Randomskk just uses gmail, though Mail on OS X isn't bad
[16:45] <Randomskk> well google apps, anyway]
[16:45] Action: mattltm has mutiple exchange accounts and pop3/imap accounts
[16:45] <Randomskk> yea, but google apps can essentially handle that
[16:46] <Randomskk> well using multiple exchange accounts is your own/someone's fault
[16:46] <mattltm> tbh I use my android for most email these days.
[16:46] <mattltm> I work for several diferent clients and I need email accounts for them. Thats why I have mutiple exchange accounts :(
[16:47] <Randomskk> :(
[16:47] <mattltm> I love the android. Im sitting in the pasenger seat doing 70mph down the M2 using a netbook via the HTc :0
[16:47] <Randomskk> it is so handy
[16:48] <mattltm> And surfing the web :)
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[16:53] <Darkside> ok food time, then stargate time, then back to PCB design...
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[16:54] <Darkside> i want to finish this MicroNut board tonight, and send it away for manufacture
[16:54] Action: fsphil misses stargate
[16:56] <Darkside> so do i :(
[16:56] <Darkside> back in a bit.. fooooood
[16:59] <mattltm> Its all my fault. I don't watch much tv but the programs I like get choped!
[17:00] <fsphil> don't ever watch doctor who
[17:00] <mattltm> Fast Forward, Stargate Universe
[17:00] <mattltm> Jerico
[17:00] <mattltm> How dare they!
[17:00] <fsphil> but yea, every single show I've enjoyed the past 5 or so years has been cancelled
[17:00] <mattltm> lol.
[17:00] <mattltm> To late!
[17:00] <mattltm> Its doomed!
[17:01] <mattltm> it's ok. Just seems to be us based programs
[17:01] <fsphil> eureka, farscape, stargate (all three!), enterprise (just started getting good when they cancelled it), B5 crusade
[17:01] <fsphil> firefly was cancelled before it even aired
[17:03] <mattltm> yet eastenders remains.
[17:03] <fsphil> ah well, more doctor who next week, more red dwarf later in the year
[17:03] <fsphil> torchwood started good but it's a bit naff now
[17:04] <fsphil> so you can watch that, don't mind if it's cancelled :p
[17:05] <Randomskk> ooh yea new red dwarf
[17:06] <mattltm> Well, eastenders is still goint at least till I can get on set with my Flammenwerfer
[17:08] <Darkside> fsphil: what, more red dward?
[17:08] <Darkside> dwarf*
[17:08] <Darkside> thats awesome
[17:18] <fsphil> dunno more about it - the guy who plays kryten says they're filming more shortly
[17:22] <NigeyS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14596367
[17:22] <NigeyS> interesting
[17:23] <Elwell> yeah 'nope, not hiding there' so far
[17:25] <NigeyS> gonna throws a right spanner in the standard model if it's not found :|
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[17:25] <TimZaman> does anyone have experience with GPU's in servers?
[17:26] <NigeyS> cuda?
[17:26] <BrainDamage> knowing how something doesn't work, is not as useful than knowing how it does, but it's still pretty valuable information
[17:26] <TimZaman> yes
[17:27] <TimZaman> this stuff: only affordable http://www.supermicro.com/GPU/
[17:28] <TimZaman> their cheapest is $2600, im looking for more of a $1500 solution.
[17:28] <NigeyS> ahh, supermicro are always stupidly expensive
[17:29] <NigeyS> you might be able to utilise a standard SLI Geforce 480 rig if set up properly
[17:29] <TimZaman> how then
[17:30] <NigeyS> tbh it's not something i've looked into, but the new geforce cards have massive amounts of cuda cores
[17:31] <TimZaman> yeah but it's for a datacenter
[17:31] <TimZaman> 1U
[17:31] <TimZaman> xeon core preferably
[17:31] <NigeyS> ouch, bang goes that idea then
[17:31] <TimZaman> i could only find the supermicro gpu supercomputer solution
[17:32] <NigeyS> http://www.nvidia.co.uk/page/tesla_gpu_server.html
[17:32] <NigeyS> no idea on price
[17:33] <TimZaman> thanks how could i have missed that
[17:33] <NigeyS> hehe
[17:34] <TimZaman> but its just for some R&D stuff so only 1 gpu would suffice, not 6 :P
[17:34] <NigeyS> Sixteen Tesla S1070 Preconfigured Cluster
[17:34] <NigeyS> that 1's def to big then..lol
[17:34] <NigeyS> 64 GPU's mmm
[17:35] <TimZaman> =)
[17:35] <TimZaman> "Personal Supercomputer"
[17:35] <TimZaman> "Liquid hydrogen cooled"
[17:35] <NigeyS> yum !
[17:36] <TimZaman> is nvidia an enlgish brand
[17:38] <NigeyS> err, think their korean ?
[17:39] <Darkside> ok, time to finish off MicroNut
[17:40] <TimZaman> dont forget to tune down the power on the ntx2! ;)
[17:40] <NigeyS> lol
[17:40] <Darkside> yep
[17:40] <NigeyS> so by this time tomorrow you'll be doing nanonut aswell Darkside ? :p
[17:40] <Darkside> 10mW is the legal limit in the UK after all
[17:40] <Darkside> NigeyS: i think this is the limit
[17:40] <Darkside> NanoNut won't be using a NTX2 i think
[17:40] <NigeyS> with an ntx2.. definately
[17:41] <TimZaman> yeah any smaller and you have to ask yourself why
[17:42] <NigeyS> wow anyone near dixons with spare cash, the hp touchpad is dropping to £89
[17:42] <Darkside> TimZaman: why not?
[17:43] <TimZaman> Yeah okay
[17:43] <Darkside> ok, i've now added the option to have the NTX2 normally on or normally off
[17:43] <TimZaman> if you make it any smaller we can attach it to a party balloon
[17:43] <Darkside> TimZaman: this will be fine on a party balloon
[17:44] <NigeyS> TimZaman, i sent something alot bigger up on party balloons 2 weeks ago..lol
[17:44] <Darkside> hell, MiniNut would have been fine on party balloons
[17:45] <TimZaman> I guess with partyballoons you wouldnt need a CARP for whatever you need there for habbing
[17:46] <NigeyS> TimZaman, http://www.nigey.co.uk/?p=6
[17:48] <TimZaman> 3600m :)
[17:48] <TimZaman> though i think 8km is a very nice altitude for images on a clear day
[17:48] <TimZaman> 5~8km
[17:48] <fsphil> nice big thunderstorm over france right now
[17:49] <TimZaman> actually, i think microlaucnehs are a good way to test your equipment
[17:49] <NigeyS> definately
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[17:54] <NigeyS> heh
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[17:55] <Darkside> gotta be extra careful on this board
[17:55] <Darkside> i'm taking the "when in doubt, add ground vias" approach
[17:56] <NigeyS> might as well, it wont hurt i guess
[17:56] <Darkside> well my groudn plane it chopped to lieces
[17:57] <Darkside> pieces*
[17:57] <Darkside> so i need to be ultra careful
[17:57] <Darkside> DRC checks out
[17:57] <Darkside> so thats good
[17:57] <Darkside> it means its electrically the same as the schematic
[17:57] <NigeyS> thats a good start
[18:01] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/8Xg9W.jpg
[18:01] <Darkside> theres the latest version
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[18:01] <NigeyS> excellente :D
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[18:09] <Darkside> ahh crap, i just realised i still haven't put the SPI flash on
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[18:18] <Laurenceb_> wait 16GB touchpad sold out already ?!
[18:18] <Laurenceb_> in 1 hour
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Where was it for sale?
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Brother has got one mailed to a friend in the states - failed to get another couple a little later.
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> One for me.
[18:28] <NigeyS> what is PDOP ?
[18:28] <Randomskk> in terms of GPS?
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> Dilution Of Position
[18:28] <Randomskk> fine, yes.
[18:28] <Randomskk> position +
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> I forget what the P is
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> dixons
[18:28] <Randomskk> vdop for vertical
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> for 6
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> *from 6pm
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> the 16GB has sold out
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Were they actually available
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> 32 too
[18:29] <NigeyS> tnx, just testing the new locosys and wondered what it was
[18:29] <NigeyS> pdop = 3.98 ..
[18:29] <Randomskk> it's usually a multiple of a number of metres
[18:29] <Randomskk> like 3m
[18:29] <NigeyS> ahh i see
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDOP
[18:29] <NigeyS> loads of funky info in this gps program .. never seen haf of it before
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> It's not meters
[18:30] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: i only see the 32GB now
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: try to order it
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> out of stock
[18:30] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: it's a multiple of the device's precision in metres, kind of thing.
[18:30] <Laurenceb_> sucks
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> Something like that
[18:31] <NigeyS> hmm looks like 1-5 is good so im happy
[18:32] <Laurenceb_> ah well its crappy anyway
[18:32] <Laurenceb_> toshiba ac100 pwns it
[18:33] <NigeyS> www.nigey.co.uk/images/locogps.jpg
[18:33] <NigeyS> funky tool
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Interesting - that's being dumped too I guess
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> has been i think
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toshiba-AC100-10U-Netbook-Android-10-Cheap-Laptop-pc-/120754454628?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item1c1d86c064
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> forex
[18:37] <Laurenceb_> oh ive seen way cheaper
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[18:38] <Laurenceb_> hopefully should drop to £100 very soon
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[18:38] <Darkside> ok
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> I have laptop - tablet would be handy
[18:38] <Darkside> ii've just managed to squeeze a SPI flash memory onto my board
[18:38] <Darkside> *just*
[18:39] <Darkside> SOIC chips are HUGE on my board
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> id rather have smps
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> why not TSSOP?
[18:40] <Darkside> cant find one
[18:40] <Darkside> SOIC fits
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> heh
[18:40] <Darkside> just
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> also why not try a ufl connector for the 434mhz
[18:41] <Laurenceb_> gets a couple of grams off the mass
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[18:41] <TimZaman> advice on styrofoam payloadboxes anyone
[18:42] <TimZaman> something simple
[18:42] <TimZaman> ebay? fe?
[18:42] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i'll probably just solder on a wire antenna
[18:43] <Laurenceb_> ah
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[18:44] <Laurenceb_> hmm no cheap ac100s on ebay atm
[18:44] <Laurenceb_> ive seen them go for £110
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[18:45] <TimZaman> advice on styrofoam/polystyrine whatever payloadboxes anyone
[18:45] <TimZaman> i guess a cake dummy will do? http://cgi.ebay.nl/14-inch-Round-Polystyrene-Cake-Dummy-Fast-Postage-/290476213889?pt=Uk_Crafts_Cake_Decorating_MJ&hash=item43a1bb4681
[18:46] <fsphil> the stuff I have is for insulating houses I think
[18:47] <TimZaman> with a polycutter?
[18:47] <TimZaman> oh phil the 1200baud was too crappy after 100m urban
[18:47] <fsphil> just scoop out the shape of the parts with a knife
[18:48] <fsphil> yea it died pretty quick that
[18:48] <TimZaman> but then again, i used a whip that was indoors, and on the payload was a 5cm long dont-know-what-freq antenna (10mW)
[18:48] <fsphil> does it decode again when you get back?
[18:49] <TimZaman> yep, but by then, the APC had floated almost off-screen
[18:49] <TimZaman> we need to think of something smart for that
[18:49] <Laurenceb_> can touchpad run linux yet
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[18:49] <TimZaman> otherwise we'd have to fix it
[18:50] <TimZaman> another word for polystyrene/styrofoam in english?
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> expanded polystyrene
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> EPS
[18:51] <TimZaman> EPS, thats the one.
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[19:14] <TimZaman> what do you guys think of the TX2 module?
[19:15] <Darkside> yay 300mw ?
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[19:16] <TimZaman> Radiometrix TX2?
[19:17] <TimZaman> anyone?
[19:17] <MrCraig> missed the question, repost pls TimZaman?
[19:17] <TimZaman> what do you guys think of the TX2 module?
[19:18] <MrCraig> It worked a treat for my first and only flight. Easy to work with once you figure out how to drive it. Was there anything specific you wanted to know?
[19:18] <TimZaman> how do you drive it, differently than the ntx2?
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[19:19] <MrCraig> and now I realise my blunder - mine was the ntx2, that's what I thought you were talking about. sorry.
[19:19] <TimZaman> :)
[19:19] <MrCraig> lol well I tried
[19:19] <TimZaman> http://www.radiometrix.com/node/35
[19:21] <MrCraig> Looks more or less the same to me - I think radiometrix are planning to discontinue the ntx's because they no longer advertise them, I suppose these could be the replacements?
[19:24] <TimZaman> anyone else?
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[19:32] <Dutch-Mill> Tim?
[19:32] <Darkside> my PCB is suffering from feature creep: http://i.imgur.com/gd5IJ.jpg
[19:33] <Darkside> Dutch-Mill: tim just left
[19:33] <Dutch-Mill> oke, can you tell me how to decode SSVD pictures
[19:33] <Darkside> nfi
[19:33] <Darkside> sorry
[19:34] <NigeyS> Dutch-Mill, best person for tha is fsphil
[19:34] <NigeyS> that*
[19:34] <Dutch-Mill> oke ..noprob
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[19:42] <Darkside> ok, i've had enough of PCB layout for tonight
[19:42] <Darkside> i think its time to reboot back into OSX
[19:43] <fsphil> Dutch-Mill, dl-fldigi will do it, though you will need a beta version
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[19:48] <number10> Darkside - do you have a graphs of the data from the your baloon launch online?
[19:49] <Darkside> hmm not atm
[19:49] <Darkside> i probably should
[19:49] <number10> would be nice
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[20:10] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: how did you get the antenni on the pov-ray rendering?
[20:11] <Darkside> number10: http://rfhead.net/?p=372
[20:11] <Upu> Guys if anyones interested pyro cut down with no gun powder : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89YACKHpUIQ
[20:11] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: pov-ray?
[20:11] <Darkside> i'm not using pov-ray
[20:12] <Darkside> altium designer can use STEP models in its PCB component libraries
[20:12] <Darkside> so, i just included a 3d model i got off 3dcontentcentral
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> ah i see
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> do you have a shot of the pcb?
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[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> oh sweet: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=392e0105f0496a92127caac362ffde1554e8cb28
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> predicted landing within walking distance of my house :)
[20:15] <fsphil-laptop> shame I can't launch
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[20:22] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: that trace under the ublox wont be impedance matched
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> as the ublox has a gnd plane across the bottom
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> id stick it through a via, put the line on the other side of the board, and flip round the sarantel
[20:23] <Elwell> is there enough clearance between gps antenna and ntx module too?
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> look up how to impedance match vias
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> at GPS frequency these things matter
[20:25] <Darkside> Laurenceb_:
[20:25] <Darkside> ack hol don
[20:25] <Darkside> i thought i posted the latest version of the PCB
[20:25] <Upu> that PCb looks amazing
[20:26] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/gd5IJ.jpg
[20:26] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: there is no trace under the uBlox anymore
[20:26] <Darkside> look closely
[20:26] <Upu> you soldering that by hand ?
[20:26] <Darkside> i rearranged the board a bit
[20:26] <Darkside> Upu: yep
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> ah neat
[20:26] <Upu> yikes
[20:26] <Upu> can't wait to see the finished product
[20:26] <Darkside> yeah its going to be a bit hairy
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> yeah there lots of room under the ntx2
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> i stuck an entire pcb in there
[20:27] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: haha
[20:27] <Darkside> well, i'm going to have the NTX2 slightly off the PCB
[20:27] <Darkside> with a bit of plastic under it
[20:27] <Randomskk> looking better. is it 5cm now?
[20:27] <Upu> those LEDS and R5 next to the AVR - good luck :)
[20:27] <Darkside> Randomskk: yep, 49.5mm
[20:27] <Randomskk> nice nice
[20:27] <Darkside> Upu: eh? what do you mean
[20:28] <Darkside> they'll be easy
[20:28] <Upu> I couldn't solder that
[20:28] <Darkside> they're just 0603s
[20:28] <Upu> I struggled with the one 0603 I had on my board
[20:28] <Darkside> heh
[20:29] <Darkside> i've been soldering 0603s for the last few weeks
[20:29] <Darkside> i'm getting very good at it now
[20:29] <Upu> I'm posting my stuff out to Oz for manufacturer
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:29] <Darkside> >_>
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/blob/master/Hardware/Assembly/photo2.JPG
[20:29] <Darkside> sure, if you pay me
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> ^that is hard soldering
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> especially the RF section
[20:30] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: doesn't look so bad :P
[20:30] <Darkside> oh god 0402s
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:30] <Randomskk> 0402s are fine >_>
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> i cheated with a stencil
[20:30] <Upu> meh
[20:30] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: lol
[20:31] <Upu> anyway Swan Vesta pyro : http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=149 all the bang 100% less gun powder
[20:31] <Darkside> mm i need to work out how i;ll be doing our cutdown boatd
[20:31] <Darkside> board*
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> hot resistor
[20:31] <Darkside> i'm thinking NRX2, DTMF decoder
[20:31] <Upu> use a pyro its easier
[20:31] <Darkside> and a small micro to decode stuffs
[20:32] <Upu> oh you are doing it from the ground ?
[20:32] <Darkside> yes
[20:32] <Upu> why not get the computer to do it based on current situation ?
[20:32] <Darkside> will probably be using a 50W transmitter with Yagi from the ground ;P
[20:32] <Darkside> Upu: its not just cutdown
[20:32] <Upu> ok
[20:32] <Darkside> also plannign on having a small valve in the neck of the balloon
[20:32] <Darkside> send a DTMF tone, valve opens for half a second
[20:32] <Upu> ah ok
[20:33] <Darkside> so, from the ground, we can slowly let out gas until the balloon floats
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> valve is an inters
[20:33] <Upu> save the weight and get it to make the decisions itself ?
[20:33] <fsphil-laptop> *interesting idea
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> looks like one of the shot cab photos
[20:33] <Darkside> Upu: well it'll be light anyway
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> of nukes going off
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[20:34] <Upu> anyone tried one of these pyros with just the igniter in the acrylic tube no powder/match stick bits ?
[20:34] <Darkside> Upu: the entire cutdown board will probably be a similar size to the telemetry payload
[20:34] <Darkside> just higher up the balloon train
[20:34] <Upu> ok that is a great bit of design Darkside
[20:35] <Darkside> i haven't done it yet tho
[20:35] <Darkside> thats the next thing to do
[20:35] <Darkside> i still need to find a suitable valve
[20:35] <Darkside> and a way of connecting to the balloon safely
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> add a bmp085 under the ntx2
[20:35] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: no
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> maybe a mosfet as well :P
[20:36] <Darkside> not when it failed last time
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> i think it was a signed/unsigned integer issue
[20:36] <m1x10> anyone that uses eclipse/java?
[20:36] <Darkside> i've got I2C broken out on a tiny header so i can wire up one of those nice differential pressure sensors
[20:36] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: you think the pressure went negative?
[20:36] <Randomskk> really?
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> but id need to work out exactly how that might have happened
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> either negative relative to the trace gasses inside the sensor
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> or negative in one of the internal cal stages that use uint32_t
[20:37] <Randomskk> hm, okay
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> i bet the cal code can be rewritten to avoid that issue
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> tho it might just involve int64
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> shouldnt be necessary as the sensor is only 19bit
[20:39] <Upu> that middle pin on the SMA connector Darkside looks awfully close to the metal sheild on the NTX2
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> easy to fix with a file
[20:39] <Upu> aye
[20:40] <Darkside> Upu: the overlay for the NTX2 isn't correct
[20:40] <Upu> ok
[20:40] <Darkside> its actually slightly larger
[20:40] Action: Laurenceb_ mounted a pcb inside the ntx2 and soldered an sma header into the side of the casing
[20:40] <Darkside> and again, the NTX2 will be about 4mm off the PCB if i can do it
[20:40] <NigeyS> upu might just try and blow it off with his new love for explosives! :p
[20:40] <Upu> haha
[20:40] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: pics or gtfo
[20:40] <Upu> I reckon you could stuff this with salt and it would still blow
[20:40] <NigeyS> hmm
[20:41] <Upu> maybe not
[20:41] <NigeyS> do you have a link for the tubing upu ? or is it freely available ?
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:dscn0979.jpg?id=projects%3Aaerosol
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> thats the first version
[20:41] <Upu> 1 sec NigeyS
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> dont have shots of version2
[20:41] <NigeyS> tnx
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> that pcb is set into the ntx2 casing
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> connector tab goes through a filed recess
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:dscn0957.jpg?id=projects%3Aaerosol
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> cut out for the ntx2 xtal
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[20:42] <NigeyS> edge mounted sma ?
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:43] <NigeyS> funky, not seen those before :|
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> not as funcky as the data connector above it XD
[20:44] <Upu> NigeyS http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/acrylic-tube-extruded-clear-8mm-od-to-25mm-od-3413-0.html
[20:44] <Upu> think it was that
[20:44] <NigeyS> haha true Laurence
[20:44] <Darkside> very nice Laurenceb_
[20:44] <Darkside> so thats a transmit module for another payload?
[20:44] <NigeyS> ahh nice, tnx upu
[20:44] <Upu> but I got it off e-bay as 2 meters was too long
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> yes, it works as a serial modemy thing
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> ive done a version 2 thats almost entirely inside the ntx2 casing
[20:45] <Upu> NigeyS http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290295231687?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> also runs mfsk64 and dominoex :P
[20:45] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: oh??
[20:45] <NigeyS> Upu, star, tnx !
[20:45] <Darkside> how are you getting the voltage legels?
[20:45] <Darkside> levels*
[20:45] <Darkside> filtered PWM?
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:46] <Darkside> cool
[20:46] <Darkside> whats the filter youre using?
[20:46] <Darkside> i might be able to hack that into my PCB
[20:47] <Darkside> i'm already using a PWM capable pin so i can do APRS
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[20:48] <Laurenceb_> just rc,rc
[20:48] <Darkside> since apparently the TX2's internal filter is good enough to allow you to transmit something resembling APRS with just PWM going into the TXD pin
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> i tried doing pulse shaped rtty as well http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:radio_project.jpg?id=projects%3Aaerosol
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/code:radio
[20:49] <Darkside> pulse shaped RTTY is nice
[20:49] <Darkside> RC filter on the TXD line?
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> two, one after the other
[20:50] <Darkside> cool
[20:50] <fsphil> would that help?
[20:50] <Darkside> i don't think i'll be able to hack that into my PCB
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[20:50] <Darkside> but i should be able to put a single RC filter on my board
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> ^all the code is there
[20:51] <Darkside> TBH i dont care all that much
[20:51] <Darkside> the Micronut board is meant to be ust a baaic RTTY or APRS board
[20:51] <Darkside> i'll do all the advanced stuff in other payloads
[20:52] <Darkside> this just replaces MiniNut, and allows us to spend more weight on othe rthings
[20:53] <Darkside> i.e. its possible that we'll be able to get a MicroNut and a GoPro in a payload <200g
[20:56] <number10> was away from keyboard - thanks for the graphs Darkside
[21:02] <number10> nice pink powder Upu!
[21:02] <Upu> yeah matches the payload now :)
[21:03] <daveake> Think pink :)
[21:04] <number10> lol, I have some pink coax on my antenna
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:05] <Upu> hey Lunar_Lander
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[21:07] <daveake> Don't suppose anyone knows how to get a Lassen iQ back to factory reset, after (accidentally - dunno how it happened) setting both ports to NMEA mode?
[21:08] <daveake> Answers similar to "throw it in the bin and buy a proper receiver" will be ignored ;)
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[21:13] <Darkside> daveake: awww
[21:13] <Darkside> you read my mind
[21:13] <Darkside> or at least predicted my response very well
[21:13] <daveake> :)
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> is that the only thing that can be done?
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> no chance to set the ports back?
[21:14] <daveake> If port 1 can be set back to TSIP mode (IIRC) then that's all I need
[21:14] <daveake> I used one of the Trimble programs and was going to configure the set of NMEA sentences that it sends, but it didn't work out
[21:15] <daveake> No big deal - I can use it as it stands, I just won't have speed/direction (those are in GPRMC which it doesn't send by default)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:15] <daveake> Someone should tell Trimble what "RMC" stands for lol
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> what is RMC?
[21:16] <daveake> Recommended Minimum Content or something like that
[21:16] <daveake> It has 2D position, speed, direction and some other stuff
[21:17] <daveake> GGA has 3D position and other stuff, but not speed or direction
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:17] <daveake> I was also trying to set it to flight mode rather than ground mode
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> and that didn't work either?
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[21:18] <daveake> Dunno. I do know that port 1 ended up doing NMEA and thereafter I couldn't change anything
[21:19] <daveake> That was late last night. Been out all day. Will have a play tomorrow
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:22] <daveake> Upu just watched your "pink" video. Impressively violent :)
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[21:29] <Upu> yeah daveake not bad for a few match sticks I was suprised
[21:30] <daveake> So was I :)
[21:38] <fsphil> daveake, does the lassen have a battery to store settings?
[21:38] <daveake> No, flash
[21:39] <daveake> Unfortunately :(
[21:40] <daveake> As far as I can tell the only way to reset is to send it a command, which it's not accepting
[21:40] <daveake> Might be the Trimble software that's not helping. I'll read the manwell tomorrow and attack it with a terminal program
[21:41] <daveake> It's not the end of the world if I fail, but it would be good to get it sorted
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[21:46] <fsphil> epic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm3rHONOr9o
[21:47] <NigeyS> daveake, the lassen hates accepting commands
[21:47] <NigeyS> ive never been able to get it to store settings
[21:48] <nickolai89> hey what's the standard color when someone quits?
[21:48] <daveake> I used their "studio" program, which showed some data but wouldn't do anything else, and also the "iMonitor" app.
[21:48] <NigeyS> depends on the client... xchat is brown, mirc is purple ...
[21:48] <daveake> Both rather clunky to use
[21:48] <NigeyS> yup snap daveake same as what i get
[21:48] <nickolai89> ah yea i meant xchat, i found a decent color for it: #3B170B
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[21:49] <daveake> The latter did show more (like the list of visible satellites)
[21:49] <daveake> Neither would show the config nor let me change anything
[21:49] <daveake> Well, anything other than the protocol, which I didn't try to change!
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello nickolai89
[21:52] <nickolai89> hey Lunar_Lander
[21:52] Nick change: nickolai89 -> nickolai
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[21:52] <nickolai> pretty good, first day of classes today
[21:52] <nickolai> went well except i started falling asleep in my last one :P
[21:52] <nickolai> yourself?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine too, thanks
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> nickolai : just writing some progress report on my balloon project
[22:11] <nickolai> ah, i was just putting some final touches on my launch report, have i sent you the link?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> yes, but can you send it once more please?
[22:16] <nickolai> nickolai.me/flight-1.html
[22:17] <nickolai> I put some irc chat history in boxes but it's showing up strangely when i view the webpage, do you see a lot of extra grey area in those boxes?
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:19] <nickolai> hm
[22:21] <nickolai> how about now?
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> the first is better
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> but the second box is still too big
[22:22] <nickolai> ok, i just fixed the first one, i'll fix the second one now
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:24] <nickolai> there we go, all better
[22:24] <nickolai> it's been nice to see my website getting lots of hits after this first launch :D
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> yay
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[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> I also hope that your rockoon will succeed nickolai
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> and now good night
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[22:57] <MrCraig> I know this is an off topic, but does anyone here have any experience with importing to the UK from China? Please msg me.
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[23:15] <NigeyS> nn all
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