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[04:25] <nickolai> hello all
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[07:40] <SamSilver> morning dave
[07:41] <daveake> morning ......... dave :)
[08:08] <number10> very quiet this morning
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[08:14] <rjharrison> phew back
[08:18] <number10> morning
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[08:32] <NigelMoby> Morning
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[08:54] <rjharrison> moring all
[08:54] <fsphil> morning rjharrison
[09:05] <Darkside> aaaaaand i'm at uni
[09:07] <SamSilver> this has nothing to do with HAB > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-rGN0ou_4
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[09:11] Action: fsphil is at work. fun fun fun
[09:12] <number10_> !fun
[09:13] <Darkside> hmm
[09:13] <Darkside> anyone have any reccomendations for switchmode regulators?
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[10:41] <SamSilver> Morning LazyLeopard
[10:41] <LazyLeopard> Hiya
[10:41] <SamSilver> i AM GOOD HOW IS YOUR PAYLOAD ?
[10:41] <SamSilver> OPPS
[10:41] <SamSilver> caps
[10:44] <SamSilver> bbl
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[11:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "[UKHAS] Ofcom update: NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES"
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[11:21] <Laurenceb_> eek
[11:21] <Laurenceb_> there gunna jam my gps
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[13:51] <nickolai> i'm having sort of a problem with the CUSF predictor on habhub. Whatever launch time I set, however over the dot on the map shows a launch time that is 10 hours less. has anyone seen that?
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> Timezone confusion?
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[13:53] <nickolai> hm, if that were the case it should read -5, since I'm in US eastern
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Actually - isn't it always UTC?
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Oh - 'flight time' - you know that's elapsed time?
[13:55] <nickolai> ......
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[13:55] <nickolai> i put in a launch time of 17 UTC, since I'm planning at launching at noon local time, and here's what comes up: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=caa88d85a1e934cadfc9f9ffd92e054da0be7dce
[13:56] <nickolai> the red circle shows "balloon launch (lat, lon) at 7:00 UTC
[13:56] <nickolai> at least on my screen
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Ok. I would guess it's some javascripty bug
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> That link shows that it's 17:00 here
[13:58] <nickolai> what browser are you on?
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> firefox
[13:58] <nickolai> right, imma try that
[13:59] <nickolai> linux/mac/windows?
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> linux
[14:00] <nickolai> damn, my firefox install on linux here shows the same problem
[14:00] <nickolai> i'll try it on my windows pc when i get back home
[14:00] <nickolai> i'm just worried that it's pulling the wrong wind data
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> And with opera - nothing pops up at all
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> (on hover)
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[14:01] <nickolai> hm
[14:02] <nickolai> well thanks for your help speedevil, i'll take a look at it some more
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> I get a sort of ^-v shape
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> With range of 10.9km
[14:03] <nickolai> how do you find the range?
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Hmm - I wonder if it's twice timezone
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> It's shown on the 'scenario information'
[14:04] <nickolai> ah, i have a similar figure, but with a range of 11km
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[14:04] <nickolai> i tried it at 27 utc, so that launch time would be 17utc (and it shows up correctly), that gave me a range of 18.6km
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> I suspect it's showing the time incorrectly, but calculating right.
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> But probably wise to wait for someone with a clue to pop up
[14:06] <nickolai> yea, i'll be on later today, thanks
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[14:51] <fsphil> woo, gaffertape agreed to post via royal mail. one painfully yellow payload box coming up
[14:52] <daveake> :)
[14:52] <daveake> Better than pink ...
[14:53] <daveake> Last time I made the box from sheets. This time I've just bought a box. Bit larger than optimal but a lot less work!
[14:53] <fsphil> good thinking. I'm not looking forward to scooping out the new box
[14:53] <daveake> Nope!
[14:54] <daveake> This one has 50mm thick walls so the innards should be nice and cozy
[14:54] <daveake> and safe when it hits the ground at 26mph :)
[14:57] Action: Upu high fives fsphil
[14:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Conference"
[14:59] <fsphil> woo
[14:59] <fsphil> nice thing about having it all scooped out to shape is it's very tight, no room to move
[15:00] <fsphil> should survive the down the stairs test
[15:00] <daveake> :)
[15:00] <daveake> I'm doing the scooping-out thing for my pico payload, built in a ball
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[15:05] <Dan-K2VOL> had good luck with the bubble-wrap technique of Bill Brown this weekend
[15:06] <fsphil> oh meant to ask about that Dan-K2VOL, the tracker seemed to stop suddenly
[15:06] <fsphil> but it was still going on aprs
[15:06] <Dan-K2VOL> taping the circuit boards to a narrow strip of cardboard, looping a short rope around it a few times, and then wrapping it all round and round 3 times with bubble wrap, with the rope coming out each end
[15:07] <Dan-K2VOL> oh at burst?
[15:07] <fsphil> possibly
[15:07] <Dan-K2VOL> At burst I stopped being able to decode it due to the fading on 2m FM
[15:07] <DanielRichman> Upu: hi
[15:07] <Dan-K2VOL> though i could hear it fine
[15:07] <Dan-K2VOL> I think if someone had had a 2M USB rig it might have been better
[15:08] <fsphil> odd
[15:08] <fsphil> so it transmits the rtty and dominoex over fm?
[15:08] <Dan-K2VOL> and it may have drifted slightly, which I couldn't correct for on my handheld
[15:08] <Dan-K2VOL> yep
[15:08] <Dan-K2VOL> AFSK
[15:08] <fsphil> ah
[15:08] <fsphil> that might explain it
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> not the best way, but few people have sideband 2 meter receivers
[15:09] <fsphil> yea
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not sure why bill wants to do 2m fm domino and rtty other than ease of finding listeners
[15:09] <Dan-K2VOL> for testing
[15:13] <fsphil> possibly - I thought it was done FSK
[15:17] <W0OTM> Howdy
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[15:22] Action: Darkside is going to try and get a tub of Gu tonight
[15:22] <Darkside> if i can find one, it should make a good payload box
[15:23] <Randomskk> it's also super delicious
[15:26] <Darkside> heh
[15:26] <Darkside> well hopefully waitrose has some
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[15:38] <Upu> hi DanielRichman sorry was afk
[15:38] <DanielRichman> Upu: np. So I noticed you replied to an email and mentioned that there is a list that ones name must be on.
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[15:38] <Upu> yup
[15:39] <Upu> you got the google docs shared link ?
[15:39] <Upu> sorry
[15:39] <Upu> ignore me
[15:39] <Randomskk> we have an attendees list? :P
[15:39] <Upu> duh
[15:40] <Upu> you're on it Daniel
[15:40] <Upu> So are you Adam
[15:40] <fsphil> moi?
[15:40] <Randomskk> excellent
[15:40] <Upu> you are now
[15:40] <Randomskk> do we have a list of talks?
[15:40] <Upu> need to check the capacity of the venue
[15:40] <fsphil> nice
[15:40] <Upu> we have 18 so far
[15:41] <fsphil> don't reschedule now :p
[15:41] <DanielRichman> Upu: cool; thanks ;-)
[15:41] <Upu> so far we have edmoore, jcoxon and rjharrison doing talks
[15:42] <Randomskk> huh
[15:42] <Randomskk> pretty sure I sent an email with two or three on it to that thread
[15:42] <Upu> yeah I need to get some organisation done
[15:42] <Randomskk> so daniel and I should be on for a habitat talk (but not a full 30min slot I don't think) and jon and I should be down for a talk about some new radio stuff (again probably not 30min)
[15:44] <Upu> ok nice done
[15:44] <Upu> I'll post all this later on
[15:44] <Upu> 20 mins is fine
[15:44] <Upu> :)
[15:44] <DanielRichman> there's gonna be an email that outlines what you've agreed to do etc. so we can prepare :-)?
[15:45] <Randomskk> did my email about that go through with those talks and also the idea of doing lightning talks?
[15:45] <Randomskk> like split a few 30min slots into 5 ot 10 min slots
[15:45] <Randomskk> lightning talks are loads of fun and lets us get a lot of people in to just say something quick and interesting
[15:45] <Randomskk> hopefully not 10x "here is my launch that I did and here are some photos" though :P
[15:45] <Upu> no thats Rob Harrisons talk
[15:45] <Upu> :)
[15:46] <Randomskk> :P
[15:46] <daveake> It's the only one I could do ;)
[15:46] <Upu> code checking ? :)
[15:46] <Upu> yours was the one that had some rounding issues ?
[15:46] <daveake> I had a feeling someone might say that ..........
[15:46] <Upu> lol
[15:46] <daveake> E/W issue
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[15:50] <Upu> ok afk a few
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[16:00] <W0OTM> First look at the BallooMerang aircraft -> http://www.ihabproject.com/BallooMerang/
[16:01] <W0OTM> we continue to do stress and flight tests
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[17:05] <eroomde> evening
[17:05] <Darkside> hey eroomde
[17:05] <Darkside> the local waitrose doesn't have that Gu icecream
[17:07] <eroomde> damn
[17:07] <Darkside> so not sure what i'm going to use for a payload box
[17:07] <Darkside> i might try sainsbury's and see if they have it
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[17:47] <Darkside> hrmm
[17:52] <number10> dont think they do
[17:52] <Darkside> yeah
[17:52] <Darkside> this is annoying
[17:52] <Darkside> i dont know where else here i'd be able to get it
[17:54] <eroomde> hmm
[17:54] <eroomde> vim just crashed
[17:54] <eroomde> i don't think that's ever happened before
[17:54] <Darkside> haha
[17:54] <eroomde> i feel a bit.. violated
[17:54] <Darkside> eroomde: can youg et hold of those gu contains where you are?
[17:54] <Darkside> because i can't find any around here
[17:56] <eroomde> not sure
[17:56] <eroomde> i've not seen them
[17:56] <eroomde> i'll keep an eye out
[17:56] <Darkside> damn
[17:56] <Darkside> i might have to hack a box up..
[17:56] <Darkside> unless i can find somewhere around here that sells foam boxes
[17:58] <fsphil> bound to be able to get some from the uni?
[17:58] <Darkside> dunno
[17:58] <Darkside> i'm only involved in the elec eng department
[17:58] <Darkside> i don't know anyone else like back in adelaide
[17:59] <fsphil> true
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[18:11] <Randomskk> eroomde: vim... crashed?
[18:11] <Randomskk> maybe it's one of your plugins
[18:12] <BrainDamage> well, it's an OS inside your OS, kernel panics, albeit rare, are espectable :p
[18:12] <Randomskk> no, that's emacs
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[18:19] <ruku> [14:19] [ruku(+i)] [2:freenode/#highaltitude(+cnt)]
[18:19] <ruku> [#highaltitude]
[18:19] <ruku> Fail on that... lets try again.
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[18:20] <ruku> http://imgur.com/a/FHNFP
[18:20] <ruku> There we go. Pictures from the launch.
[18:20] <Darkside> heh, fisheye lens
[18:20] <Darkside> the horizon isn't that curved!
[18:20] <Darkside> nice pics tho
[18:21] <number10> anyone interested in: Scientific Ballooning Handbook NCAR TECHNICAL NOTE?
[18:28] <fsphil-laptop> very nice pics
[18:29] <ruku> thanks guys
[18:29] <ruku> was about the only thing that worked. x---x;
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[18:30] <Darkside> hmm
[18:30] <Darkside> would anyone be interested in some uBlox NEO-6Q modules?
[18:31] <Upu> evening
[18:31] <Darkside> 15 pounds each
[18:32] <Darkside> i'm likely getting 15 of them soon...
[18:33] <fsphil-laptop> how difficult are they to use?
[18:33] <Darkside> well you need to make a PCB for them
[18:33] <Darkside> and have your own antenna
[18:33] <Darkside> i could probably make a breakout PCB if people were interested, but it would add quite a bit of cost
[18:34] <fsphil-laptop> I'll pass, until my pcb-foo is much improved
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[18:34] <Darkside> what about if i make a breakout for them?
[18:34] <fsphil-laptop> probably end up more than the fsa03
[18:34] <Darkside> how much is a FSA03
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[18:35] <Darkside> oh shit thats a point, i should be buying up FSA03s while i'm here
[18:35] <Darkside> eroomde: got any?
[18:35] <fsphil-laptop> £24.79 + vat (if 2+ quantity)
[18:35] <fsphil-laptop> hehe, stock: 1
[18:36] <Darkside> wow
[18:36] <fsphil-laptop> it's £40 for just 1
[18:36] <Darkside> i'm tryin gto find a cheap source for the sarantel geohelix antennas
[18:36] <daveake> That's some difference!
[18:36] <fsphil-laptop> well, £42 + vat, which is about as much as other modules
[18:37] <fsphil-laptop> isn't it! almost 2 for 1
[18:38] <fsphil-laptop> nowhere in the uk stocks the fsa03-lp
[18:38] <Darkside> heh
[18:39] <Darkside> well, my current problem is the active antenna
[18:39] <Darkside> sparkfun have them, at USD$22 each
[18:41] <Darkside> other option is i don't use an active antenna
[18:41] <Upu> eroomde about ?
[18:41] <daveake> Yeah, save those milliamps :)
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> any of these useful? http://proto-pic.co.uk/categories/GPS/Antennas/
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> I got the SMA one somewhere, I think
[18:42] <fsphil-laptop> for the venus gps chip I got yonks ago
[18:42] <Darkside> http://proto-pic.co.uk/products/GeoHelix-GPS-Antenna.html
[18:42] <Darkside> thats what i want to put on the board
[18:42] <Darkside> since they work really well
[18:43] <Darkside> but they are fuckign expensive
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> yea I love those
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> think it's what makes the fsa03 so good
[18:43] <Darkside> the FSA03 doesn't even have an actieve antenna version!
[18:43] <fsphil-laptop> wow, didn't know that
[18:44] <fsphil-laptop> explains why it's so cheap though
[18:44] <Darkside> it just goes straight into the chip
[18:44] <Darkside> yeah
[18:44] <fsphil-laptop> suppose with such short distance it wont need it as much
[18:44] <Darkside> i'd like to know where to get the non-active geohelix antennas from
[18:51] <Upu> radiosondes ?
[18:51] <Darkside> those aren't geohelix ones
[18:52] <Darkside> they are helical though
[18:52] <Upu> ah ok
[18:52] <Darkside> problem is they are part of the main PCB on those sondes
[18:52] <Darkside> you'd have to chop the PCB off
[18:52] <Upu> http://www.pwsstore.com/geohelixantennas.aspx
[18:52] <Darkside> aha!
[18:52] <Darkside> awesome
[18:53] <Darkside> http://www.pwsstore.com/geohelixp2lowfrequencyantennawithsleeve-1.aspx thats the one the SA03 uses
[18:53] <Darkside> FSA03*
[18:53] <Upu> yeah
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[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> nice
[18:54] <fsphil-laptop> not much to them
[18:56] <Darkside> might graba few of the nin-active ones
[18:56] <Darkside> tbh, for HAB, i shouldn't need an active antenna
[18:57] <fsphil-laptop> nope, waste of power
[18:58] <fsphil-laptop> wonder if they can be attached more securely than the fsa03 does
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[19:01] <Darkside> probably not
[19:01] <Darkside> well, not without glue
[19:02] <Darkside> but i think i prefer the SL1202RH style holders
[19:04] <Darkside> hmm, with those antennas, the modules i'm making may be price-competitive to the FSA03s :P
[19:04] <Darkside> but they won't mount to a PCB
[19:04] <Darkside> i'd be making them use a pin header
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[19:06] <fsphil-laptop> probably better
[19:07] <Upu> who is coming to the conference and name is "Mike" ?
[19:07] <Upu> raise your hand sir
[19:10] <Upu> cuddykid awake ?
[19:11] <Darkside> ok rebooting into windows to do some PCB design
[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> will there be biscuits at this conference? :)
[19:12] <Darkside> there will be Club-Mate
[19:12] <Darkside> you do not need biscuits when you have club-mate
[19:12] <Upu> think we can probably stretch to a pack of jaffa cakes
[19:12] <Darkside> http://www.pwsstore.com/geohelixp2lowfrequencyantennawithsleeve-1.aspx
[19:12] <Darkside> (Thats for my benefit btw, rebooting now)
[19:12] <fsphil-laptop> mmmm jaffa cakes
[19:17] <Darkside> k, in windows (ugh)
[19:19] <Darkside> ok now i need to figure out how to make edge connecotrs in altium
[19:26] <W0OTM> howdy
[19:27] <Darkside> oh wow
[19:27] <Darkside> the sarantel electrical integration guidelines are REALLY good
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[19:55] <NigelMoby> Evening
[19:57] <Darkside> hmm
[19:57] <Darkside> having fun with placement of this GPS module..
[19:57] <Darkside> trying to keep all the RF stuff away from the microcontroller
[20:00] <NigelMoby> Fun...
[20:00] <Darkside> dammit, no 3d models available for the ublox 6 modules i'm using
[20:01] <NigelMoby> :(
[20:04] <GW8RAK> NigelMoby, you watching Horizon tonight (super telescopes)?
[20:04] <NigelMoby> Oo forgot that was on. Tnx for the reminder.
[20:04] <GW8RAK> Looks good
[20:05] <NigelMoby> Yup, we have some great new scopes in the pipeline to
[20:05] <Darkside> oooooh
[20:05] <Darkside> horizon
[20:05] <Darkside> what channe
[20:05] <Darkside> and when
[20:06] <NigelMoby> BBC2
[20:06] <GW8RAK> But are you building a nice hotel in the Chilean desert?
[20:06] <NigelMoby> Lol I wish.
[20:07] <Darkside> ooh
[20:07] <NigelMoby> I wanna go visit the Lba
[20:07] <GW8RAK> Looks really posh
[20:07] <Darkside> BLACK HOLES AR EBLACK
[20:07] <Darkside> wow
[20:07] <Darkside> >_>
[20:07] <NigelMoby> Lol ds
[20:08] <Darkside> WHAT
[20:08] <Darkside> its Jon Hopkins!
[20:08] <Darkside> the backgrond music
[20:08] <Darkside> its Jon Hopkins, from the Opalescent album
[20:08] <Darkside> i was listening to this album on the bus home today...
[20:09] <eroomde> you're doing the johnny nice painter thing again
[20:09] <Darkside> haha
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[20:10] <NigelMoby> Hm why are ofcom jamming gps?
[20:10] <GW8RAK> Military jamming presumably.
[20:10] <Darkside> guidestar!
[20:11] <Darkside> awesome
[20:11] <NigelMoby> Hmm
[20:12] <GW8RAK> Anyone see the poster of Che Guevara in the astronomy lab?
[20:13] <GW8RAK> His face was pixelated and the slogan was "Vive la Resolution"
[20:13] <GW8RAK> Geek joke!
[20:15] <Darkside> hahaha
[20:15] <Darkside> missed it, was pcb designing
[20:15] <Darkside> goign ground via crazy
[20:16] <GW8RAK> That's an impressive installation
[20:22] <Darkside> i swear, i know most of this music
[20:22] <Darkside> as i hear it all the time on the di.fm chillout channel
[20:22] <Darkside> heh
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[20:28] <Darkside> ok look, it's the most expensive spherical abberation in history
[20:28] <Darkside> at least they fixed it
[20:29] <Hiena> Well, today hindsight: Using remote controller as backup for a UAV gives redundancy. Also the robotpilot gives backward redundancy.
[20:29] <GW8RAK> Don't know what science programmes are like in Australia Darkside, but the media here always dumb it down, repeat old stories and just don't do science.
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> lol di.fm
[20:30] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: whaaaat
[20:30] <Darkside> its awesome
[20:31] <Hiena> Another hindsight: Years of FPS playing pays well, when you should land with AWSD control.
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> i used to listen to it a couple of years ago
[20:34] <Darkside> see i know thi smusic...
[20:34] <Darkside> its more jon hopkins
[20:38] <Darkside> hmm, need to learn how to make design rules that do direct poly connects to vias
[20:38] <Darkside> and not to other pads
[20:38] <Darkside> hahahah i loved that image, of the top of the telescope moving around
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[20:43] <simhed> yeah
[20:44] <simhed> 38.569m reached on Saturday
[20:44] <simhed> !
[20:44] <fsphil> 38 metres?
[20:44] <simhed> 38.569km
[20:44] <fsphil> haha
[20:44] <simhed> that's what i meant obviously
[20:44] <simhed> :)
[20:44] <fsphil> what where you expecting?
[20:45] <simhed> 34km
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[20:45] <simhed> i underinflated the balloon unintentionally
[20:45] <simhed> the hwoyee 1600 one
[20:45] <fsphil> I think eroomde might have some questions for you :)
[20:46] <fsphil> we've been thinking how to get above 36km
[20:46] <eroomde> ok
[20:46] <fsphil> how heavy was the payload?
[20:46] <eroomde> simhed: what payload mass?
[20:46] <simhed> 1450 grams
[20:46] <eroomde> ok
[20:46] <eroomde> launch location?
[20:47] <simhed> http://stellarflux.com/huginn2_raw_log.txt
[20:47] <simhed> LAT 53.0542, LON 15.6724
[20:48] <eroomde> no pressure sensor
[20:48] <fsphil> simhed, you'd be the 6th highest balloon on http://www.arhab.org/
[20:48] <eroomde> weep
[20:48] <Darkside> eroomde: wait until saturday
[20:48] <Darkside> we'll do it properly
[20:48] <Darkside> :-)
[20:48] <simhed> huh, not bad
[20:48] <fsphil> lol
[20:48] <fsphil> congrats simhed :)
[20:49] <simhed> cheers.. :)
[20:49] <simhed> i'll construct a proper post about the launch this week
[20:49] <Darkside> eroomde: we need to beat 41.147km
[20:49] <eroomde> lol
[20:49] <simhed> just came back, going through all the data and photos
[20:49] <eroomde> fat chance
[20:49] <Darkside> eroomde: aww why
[20:49] <Darkside> what did cornell use?
[20:49] <eroomde> physics
[20:49] <simhed> which balloon do you want to use?
[20:49] <eroomde> a zero pressure
[20:50] <Darkside> aww
[20:50] <eroomde> i know
[20:50] <Darkside> MORE JON HOPKINS
[20:50] <Darkside> <3 Jon Hopkins
[20:50] <eroomde> cornell is actually lockheed employees
[20:50] <fsphil> lol
[20:50] <eroomde> they had budget
[20:50] <Darkside> eroomde: sure we won't hit 41km with a 1.6kg massively underinflated?
[20:50] <Zuph> eroomde, Darkside: They had a 60,000 cu. ft. zp
[20:50] <Darkside> what
[20:50] <Darkside> the
[20:50] <Darkside> fuck
[20:51] <Zuph> It required almost $2000 worth of helium to fill.
[20:51] <Darkside> haha
[20:51] <Darkside> well if we beat it with the 1.6kg hwoyee i'll laugh
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[20:51] <fsphil> I'll laugh a LOT
[20:51] <Zuph> Their payload? 12 lbs.
[20:51] <Darkside> our payload: 150g
[20:52] <Zuph> But yeah, the cornell team aren't really "amateurs".
[20:53] <Zuph> Great guys, though, don't get me wrong.
[20:53] <eroomde> we do get you wrong
[20:53] <eroomde> Zuph thinks they're child molesters
[20:53] <Zuph> Thanks, Ed.
[20:53] <eroomde> and criminals
[20:53] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[20:53] <Zuph> Can always count on you to get my back.
[20:53] <Darkside> well take their record off the page :P
[20:53] <Darkside> who maintains that list anyway?
[20:54] <Zuph> WB8ELK and friends, iirc.
[20:54] <Darkside> because Horus 7 should be at #27
[20:54] <Darkside> with 35354m
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[21:00] <Darkside> now, watch the credits
[21:01] <Darkside> and you'll see i'm right with the music
[21:01] <Darkside> aww crap, it doesn't show the music...
[21:01] <Darkside> grr
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> 53,15.. is that sweden or somethere
[21:03] <simhed> poland
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[21:07] <NigeyWeb> ew dont like this webchat :|
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[21:10] <jcoxon> evening
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> Evening.
[21:10] <simhed> hi
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[21:13] <NigeyWeb> evening james
[21:13] <Upu> hey jcoxon evening
[21:13] <NigeyWeb> anyone know is sirfstar 3 is limited ?
[21:13] <Upu> you got mail when you get a moment
[21:14] <Upu> NigelMoby I think normally yes but in Inventek altitude limit is lifted
[21:14] <NigeyWeb> oo
[21:15] <NigeyWeb> coolcomponents have some cheap, was thinking of getting 1 for picochu-2
[21:15] <Upu> SIRF III chipset - with original firmware, any GPS modules that have this chipset will freeze at 24km altitude, while they use AND instead of OR they don't appear to work above 24km.
[21:15] <Upu> Inventek ISMF2-C5.1-V004 GPS module - SIRF III with custom firmware
[21:15] <NigeyWeb> got ya, cheers upu
[21:15] <Upu> ceiling 135,000 feet
[21:16] <Upu> you coming to the conference in October NigelMoby ?
[21:16] <NigeyWeb> yups, think i travelling down with phil
[21:17] <Upu> not got you down
[21:17] <Upu> PM me your full name and mail address pls
[21:18] <Upu> jcoxon we got 20 people
[21:19] <jcoxon> hooray
[21:19] <jcoxon> but also eek
[21:19] <Upu> yep :)
[21:19] <jcoxon> Upu, what mail?
[21:19] <NigeyWeb> hmm em406a or another locosys module
[21:19] <Upu> sent to your gmail
[21:19] <Upu> uh
[21:19] <Upu> still in drafts
[21:19] <Upu> fail
[21:19] <Upu> 1 sec
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[21:20] <Upu> sent
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[21:20] <jcoxon> makes more sense now!
[21:20] <Upu> sorry long day
[21:21] <jcoxon> snap
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[21:21] <fsphil> cooo
[21:21] <Upu> right dog walk
[21:21] <Upu> back soon
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[21:25] <jcoxon> okay suggestions for broadband provider?
[21:25] <jcoxon> that do 12 months
[21:28] <jonsowman> jcoxon: https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/bevalue
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> Plusnet, for one.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> Or andrews and arnold.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> If money is no object.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> (though they are surprisingly reasonable in some cases.)
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> They do awesome stuff for mobile phones.
[21:29] Action: fsphil has the minimum aaisp package - working quite well so far
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> You can be your own internet 'APN;
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[21:36] <Upu> Zen jcoxon
[21:36] <eroomde> jcoxon: got cable?
[21:38] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/Q8sK0.jpg Do you think I overdid the ground vias?
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> looks sane
[21:39] <Upu> looks ok to me
[21:39] <Darkside> cooool
[21:39] <Darkside> i'm paranoid about fucking up the GPS with bad grounding
[21:39] <Darkside> so i kind of overdid it a bit around that area
[21:39] <Darkside> and then, since vias are free, i decided to put them everywhere else too
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[21:40] <Darkside> tbh i'm not a fan of how far i've had to route the 3.3v rail
[21:40] <Darkside> i might experiment with putting that regulator somewhere else
[21:41] <Darkside> hmm, while i have altium up i may as well make a breakout board for the NEO6Q module
[21:41] <Darkside> something HABbers can use if they so desire
[21:45] <W0OTM> howdy
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[21:48] <NigelMoby> Ello marshal
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> i dont know about ublox6, they redisigned the front end, thats for certain
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> ublox5 was _really_ picky about supply
[21:58] <jcoxon> i still like the ublox4
[21:58] <jcoxon> for out of hte box it worked great
[21:59] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: well the aim is to see how well these work
[21:59] <Darkside> i'm just working on a little breakout for one now
[21:59] <Darkside> it'll have a litle sarantel geohelix antena on itr
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> personally i put a 47uF tant, 4u7 ceramic and some 100nF ceramic caps next to the ublox
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> and it had its own dedicated ldo reg
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> - fsa03
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> it works nicely, not sure how much i overdid it
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> ltc1844 ldo reg
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[22:05] <Randomskk> what kind of WAV file does fldigi take again?
[22:06] <fsphil> 8000hz 16-bit mono
[22:06] <NigelMoby> Phiiiiil
[22:06] <Randomskk> thanks
[22:06] <NigelMoby> Ntx2 went off at 5
[22:07] <fsphil> sweet, ta NigelMoby
[22:07] <NigelMoby> Np
[22:07] <fsphil> 790?
[22:09] <NigelMoby> Will send that Wednesday with matts radio. Wanted u t to get the Ntx2 ASAP
[22:11] <fsphil> grand
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[22:14] <NigelMoby> Can't believe it cost u 52p to send it yet it cost me 9quid to get 1 shipped from radiometrix
[22:16] <fsphil> that's a bit excessive
[22:16] <fsphil> they send it wrapped in gold?
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[22:16] <NigelMoby> Lol, they send it special delivery, 7.50 + vat
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[22:25] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/a/OyqI7
[22:25] <Darkside> about 15 minutes work
[22:26] <Darkside> maybe less
[22:26] <Darkside> note: the pcb material is thin enough that I don't need the usual cutout for the sarantel antena
[22:26] <Darkside> i will need to use a lot of araldite on the board tho
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[22:29] <Darkside> and i think its time i booted back into OSX
[22:29] <Darkside> and went to bed..
[22:30] <hibby> phh
[22:30] <hibby> osx is overrated
[22:32] <fsphil-laptop> amiga os is where it's at
[22:33] <hibby> nah man, Bell-UNIX
[22:33] <Darkside> anyway
[22:33] <Darkside> whatcha think of the pcb
[22:33] <hibby> it's horrible. Children will cry
[22:33] <hibby> you should give up and kill yourself now.
[22:34] <hibby> life is no longer worth... the what now?
[22:34] <Darkside> :<
[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> shiny!
[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> that antenna connection looks a bit hairy
[22:34] <fsphil-laptop> no wonder they break
[22:35] <fsphil-laptop> they had a 3d model of the antenna?
[22:36] <Darkside> yep
[22:36] <Darkside> and yeah, i'm going to be gluing that connection down..
[22:37] <hibby> HOTGLUE
[22:37] <hibby> WOOO
[22:37] <NigelMoby> Super super glue!
[22:37] <hibby> HEY NigelMoby
[22:37] <fsphil-laptop> hot super super glue
[22:37] <NigelMoby> Boo
[22:37] <NigelMoby> Lol
[22:37] <Darkside> nah, araldite
[22:38] <Darkside> it needs to be strong
[22:38] <NigelMoby> Is that like epoxy?
[22:40] <Randomskk> so for RTTY
[22:41] <Randomskk> if I have some 7 bits that are my character that I want to send
[22:41] <Randomskk> it's SPACE, then the 7 bits, LSB first, then one/two MARK stops?
[22:41] <Randomskk> what's the polarity of the 7 bits?
[22:41] <Randomskk> oh actuall
[22:41] <Randomskk> it works
[22:41] <Randomskk> nevermind
[22:42] <fsphil-laptop> yep :)
[22:44] <Darkside> so fsphil-laptop
[22:44] <Darkside> would you be interested in a NEO-6Q module on a breakout board like that?
[22:44] <hibby> fsphil-laptop: what kind of machine are you using?!
[22:44] <Darkside> with the sarantel antenna
[22:45] <Darkside> i can get 10 of those PCBs made for around $10
[22:45] <Darkside> the sarantel antennas are about $6 each..
[22:45] <Darkside> so total cost is somewhere around $35
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> I'd be up for that Darkside
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> hibby, thinkpad... something
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> T50
[22:46] <hibby> so.. definately a laptop?
[22:46] <hibby> just checking
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> (turns built-in LED illumination on)
[22:46] <fsphil-laptop> er, T60
[22:47] <hibby> heh
[22:47] <fsphil-laptop> coolest thing about it that wee LED
[22:47] <Darkside> well, i reckon i'll make a few up, see how they go
[22:47] <Darkside> then i might sell a few
[22:47] <Darkside> most likely at cost
[22:48] <fsphil-laptop> I've a few FSA03's to drop in trees/oceans first, then I'll probably get a few
[22:48] <Darkside> heh
[22:48] <Darkside> these will be easy to plug onto boards (i hope)
[22:49] <Darkside> i've designed it so you can use 4 of the pins instead of 6
[22:49] <Darkside> you just need to bridge a solder switch
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> what's the 6 pins for?
[22:49] <Darkside> that grounds V_BATT, so the module doesn't get confused
[22:49] <fsphil-laptop> aah
[22:49] <Darkside> if you leave V__BATT floating, the module screws up
[22:49] <Darkside> and they reccomend to ground it if you're not using it
[22:49] <Darkside> so, if you're not using V_BATT, you ground that pin
[22:50] <Darkside> the last pin, pin 6, is the 1PPS output, which can be used to drive a LED if you so desire
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> hmm... it's tomorrow already
[23:01] <fsphil-laptop> silly time
[23:03] <Randomskk> I hate how it does that >:|
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[23:25] <nickolai> New 1/4 wave antenna, now with less coat hangers! http://t.co/g9ievLa
[23:27] <Darkside> looks a but heavy, but will work fine
[23:27] <hibby> moar coathangarz?
[23:29] <nickolai> no, less!
[23:29] <hibby> aww
[23:29] <nickolai> it's not too heavy, the ground plane radials are just 3/32 thick aluminum
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[23:29] <nickolai> lol, my other computer automatically signed in
[23:29] <NigeyS> hm lord of the dance finale is quite good :|
[23:30] <hibby> but we liek the c047|+|4/V4rz
[23:30] <NigeyS> Darkside, have you seen it ?
[23:30] <nickolai89> i figured the aluminum both looks nicer and works better than coat hangers
[23:37] <NigeyS> hibby,
[23:37] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxTTjJtXDA
[23:37] <NigeyS> start dancing lols
[23:38] <hibby> oh man
[23:38] <hibby> my long lost brother
[23:38] <NigeyS> lol
[23:38] <hibby> i watched riverdance daily as a kid
[23:38] <hibby> loved that
[23:38] <NigeyS> its amazing stuff
[23:38] <hibby> but then I rediscovered it when I discovered mind expanding substances
[23:38] <hibby> wow.
[23:38] <hibby> just wow.
[23:38] <hibby> mind. blown.
[23:39] <hibby> it's the legs. It's like they're floating or something, man.
[23:39] <hibby> and the rhythms they beat out, totally insane.
[23:39] <NigeyS> yup, and all in sync too, amazes me!
[23:40] <hibby> even if my mother says he's a crap dancer
[23:40] <hibby> as his hands aren't at his sides
[23:40] <NigeyS> heh
[23:43] <hibby> he's such a pro at life
[23:43] <hibby> charlie sheen aint got shit on michael flatley
[23:43] <NigeyS> :D
[23:43] <NigeyS> meh kicked own my own frikkin bedroom :|
[23:44] <hibby> lol
[23:44] <NigeyS> spare bed for me tonight lol bloody women
[23:45] <hibby> pahaha
[23:45] <hibby> crisis
[23:45] <hibby> big night?
[23:46] <NigeyS> nah just a slight crisis with the EX gf
[23:46] <hibby> nice
[23:46] <NigeyS> or so she says she wants to be
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