highaltitude.log.20110813

[00:01] <hibby> crock of shit
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> Also has errors.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Claims women could get divorced in 1857, where the act came into force in 1858
[00:20] <Dan-K2VOL> hi kev
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[00:23] <Dan-K2VOL> busy, getting ready for a latex launch tomorrow, assisting SpacePort indiana
[00:24] <Dan-K2VOL> flying WB8ELK on SpaceNear.us
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> what will you fly on it?
[00:42] <Randomskk> NigelMoby: you about?
[00:42] <Randomskk> oh he quit for a windows update
[00:43] <natrium42> never to be seen again :(
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[00:46] <natrium42> yet another victim of windows update process...
[00:47] <Randomskk> hehe
[00:53] <nickolai> hey all
[00:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi nickolai natrium42
[00:54] <nickolai> how's your project going Lunar_Lander?
[00:55] <natrium42> hi kevin
[00:55] <natrium42> hi nickolai
[00:56] <nickolai> hey natrium42
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> nickolai : I have to solder the pins to the GPS breakout
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> when this is done, I can try to program it/get data from it
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> thanks to Upu I got the radio transmitter going with the arduino
[00:58] <nickolai> yea, his guide is truly useful
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> first, the setup did not work
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> but then I took it apart again and set it up once more
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> then it worked
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[01:02] <nickolai> yea it took me like 9 hours to get it working right. put in laymans terms, it took me 9 hours to figure out i had a wiring problem :P
[01:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:04] <Lunar_Lander> I thought that the man in the electronics store sold me 12k resistors
[01:04] <Lunar_Lander> but I simply didn't look at the rings correctly :)
[01:24] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all
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[01:33] <nickolai> i want to try to find a cheaper radio solution than the ntx2, given that it requires a really expensive receiver
[01:34] <nickolai> i was wondering if it might be possible to use the bands most commercial radio stations use, like in the 88-106MHz range
[01:34] <nickolai> since practically every car has a receiver, you'd just need to hook up a yagi
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[01:41] <Lunar_Lander> would need to check the regulations for that
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[01:42] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone around?
[01:43] <natrium42> hi dan
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Alexei!
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> how's it going
[01:43] <natrium42> good, had an interview today
[01:44] <natrium42> but company not a good fit
[01:44] <natrium42> how are you? ready for tomorrow?
[01:45] <natrium42> no hf?
[01:49] <Zuph> natrium42: Facebook not work out?
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[01:50] <Dan-K2VOL> doing ok,
[01:51] <Dan-K2VOL> HF not likely at this point
[01:51] <Dan-K2VOL> still packing up Bill's payloads
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> he flies comm equipment all the time
[01:55] <natrium42> Zuph: i got another fb interview on monday
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> does he do other experiments also?
[01:55] <natrium42> Zuph: but also interviewing with smaller companies
[01:58] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[02:06] <Dan-K2VOL> hey doughecka
[02:14] <nickolai> hey dan
[02:14] <nickolai> hey natrium42 what positions are you applying for? programmer?
[02:17] <Dan-K2VOL> there we go
[02:17] <Dan-K2VOL> got GPS lock finally
[02:18] <natrium42> nickolai: yeah
[02:18] <Dan-K2VOL> however I've been rudely forced to leave the spot I've been working in by this disgusting loud blood and gore movie
[02:19] <nickolai> you should look at spacex avionics group, if that's your thing
[02:19] <Dan-K2VOL> that some others here decided would be polite to blast over the top of my DominoEX decoding
[02:19] <Dan-K2VOL> spacex rocks
[02:19] <nickolai> a guy i interned with at spacex last year went to intern for facebook this year and he really wants to go back to spacex!
[02:19] <Dan-K2VOL> I've been through their factory
[02:19] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[02:19] <nickolai> i worked on dragon :D
[02:20] <nickolai> the factory is awesome
[02:20] <nickolai> being an intern, i was doing mostly paperpushing, but i got to be on the factory floor almost every day
[02:21] <natrium42> nickolai: can't work for spacex... only us citizens...
[02:21] <nickolai> o, that sucks
[02:21] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, I tangentially know Garret something or other, was a manager in the factory
[02:22] <Dan-K2VOL> not sure if he's still there
[02:22] <natrium42> what if canada stealhe tech and starts making rockets of its own :P
[02:22] <natrium42> *steals
[02:22] <nickolai> yea, you gotta deal with that stupid itar, although spacex has been by far the easiest company to deal with in those terms
[02:22] <nickolai> so Dan-K2VOL, how did you get a tour of their factory? Through this Garett acquintance of yours?
[02:24] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[02:24] <Dan-K2VOL> back in 2008
[02:26] <nickolai> they've got so much going on now
[02:27] <nickolai> when i was there we were just working on dragon C1, and there was also a dragon mock-up being built for the parachute test
[02:27] <Dan-K2VOL> I imagine, I would love to work there someday
[02:27] <nickolai> last i heard they have 3 spaceflight-ready dragons being assembled
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[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> wow
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> wouldnt' surprise me
[02:29] <Dan-K2VOL> the first Falcon 9 body was being assembled when I was there
[02:29] <nickolai> nice, i never got to see a falcon 9, but we did have the second stage engine nozzle there
[02:29] <nickolai> that thing is big, although it seems slightly less impressive now that i've gone to KSC and seen a Saturn V up close :)
[02:29] <Dan-K2VOL> It was before any succesful orbit
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
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[02:31] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone have a mac osx packet/aprs preferred app?
[02:32] <nickolai> nope, i haven't really explored aprs yet
[02:32] <nickolai> i understand you need a ham license to use aprs?
[02:34] <Dan-K2VOL> well if you use it on a ham radio :-)
[02:34] <Dan-K2VOL> but it's just a position report protocol, you can run it on any freq and run an internet gateway too
[02:35] <Dan-K2VOL> so it gets to the APRS-IS online database
[02:37] <nickolai> so.... if my transmitter outputs less than 1W of power i'm ok?
[02:43] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: do you have launch coordinates handy?
[02:43] <nickolai> just read your balloon launch story dan, great read
[02:44] <Dan-K2VOL> not atm, just a sec
[02:44] <Dan-K2VOL> which one nickolai?
[02:44] <natrium42> gonna grab prediction data
[02:45] <natrium42> LAT/LONG Location: 39° 15 44.77 N 85° 54 08.82 W
[02:45] <natrium42> http://www.spaceportindiana.com/Index/contact.php
[02:45] <natrium42> i guess that
[02:46] <Dan-K2VOL> no, it's at some heath fair in northwest Indianapolis, Indiana
[02:47] <natrium42> should be close enough
[02:47] <natrium42> i am grabbing 10 degrees around it
[02:49] <natrium42> gonna wipe spacenear.us tracker
[02:50] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[02:51] <nickolai> this one:http://sunsite.utk.edu/~mcoffey/ux-1/
[02:51] <natrium42> wow, noaa server is super fast
[02:51] <Dan-K2VOL> oh wow, that was a long time ago
[02:51] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks nickolai
[02:51] <Dan-K2VOL> our first flight
[02:52] <nickolai> it's amazing you guys got it to work
[02:52] <nickolai> especially with that computer crash!
[02:53] <Dan-K2VOL> haha oh ballooning
[03:02] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone know a simple packet/aprs app I could download on someone else's laptop to decode through the soundcard to verify the APRS is working?
[03:15] <doughecka> hi.
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[03:16] <Dan-K2VOL> hey tad
[03:18] <Dan-K2VOL> I can turn the payload on while we drive up tomorrow morning early if you want to get a chance to test decoding
[03:18] <doughecka> client updated successfully.
[03:18] <doughecka> sure... what time?
[03:19] <doughecka> you want to text me when you leave?
[03:20] <Dan-K2VOL> ok, it''ll be around 8am
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[03:23] <doughecka> roger. text or call, and ill set my alarm too.
[03:24] <doughecka> and with that, bedtime. good luck.
[03:24] <Dan-K2VOL> cool thanks, ttyl
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[04:11] <SamSilver> bbl
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[04:23] <natrium42> can anybody test tracker on IE?
[04:23] <natrium42> http://spacenear.us/tracker
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[04:32] <natrium42> nvm
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[05:58] <natrium42> any people with IE?
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[06:02] <manderson21> natrium42, you drunk?
[06:04] <natrium42> wtf?
[06:04] <natrium42> manderson21: why?
[06:07] <manderson21> I am
[06:07] <manderson21> also, thought about using a blimp
[06:07] <manderson21> should require less power, right?
[06:07] <manderson21> as opposed to a helicopter
[06:07] <manderson21> these are quite large :| http://www.rc-zeppelin.com/Photo%20Gallery.html
[06:08] <natrium42> manderson21: j'ai la biere ici
[06:08] <manderson21> 510B BK1O
[06:10] <natrium42> ...
[06:10] <natrium42> manderson21: do you have IE?
[06:10] <manderson21> no
[06:10] <natrium42> i am too lazy to reboot to windows :/
[06:13] <manderson21> same
[06:13] <manderson21> only have tv hooked up to video games and pc, but I'm watching a movie
[06:13] <manderson21> which is also why I haven't gotten past level 12 or so on smash the stack
[06:13] <natrium42> ...
[06:13] <manderson21> monitors are in closet
[06:14] <manderson21> http://clgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Fuck-Yeah.jpg
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[06:16] <natrium42> rjharrison: yo
[06:18] <manderson21> natrium42, slow down on that water, bro
[06:19] <daveake> morning :)
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[06:47] <Darkside> Im on a train!
[06:54] <SamSilver> Have fun mate!
[06:55] <SamSilver> Darkside: What rain gear did you take with?
[06:56] <Darkside> none
[06:56] <Darkside> lol
[06:56] <Darkside> i'm sure i can find shelter
[06:56] <Darkside> plus i'm taking the tube everywhere
[06:57] <SamSilver> golloshers?
[06:58] <SamSilver> galoshers even
[06:58] <Darkside> nope
[06:59] <Darkside> but i am wearing waterproof boots
[06:59] <Darkside> i can walk through 10cm deep water without getting wet
[07:01] <SamSilver> don't forget to whistle while splashing through puddles
[07:01] <SamSilver> it makes it fun
[07:01] <Darkside> haha
[07:02] <SamSilver> science museum and the hackerspace?
[07:02] <SamSilver> then*
[07:05] <natrium42> Darkside: where are you headed?
[07:13] <Darkside> london!
[07:17] <Darkside> whee
[07:18] <Darkside> anyway, phone coverage has gone to shot
[07:18] <Darkside> laters, yo
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[07:20] <Upu> morning
[07:20] <number10> morning
[07:21] <number10> any plans this weekend?
[07:21] <Upu> not sure do we have any launches today ?
[07:22] <natrium42> yeah, wb8elk is launching
[07:22] <Upu> ah ok bit out of my range :)
[07:23] <natrium42> psh :P
[07:24] <number10> only 138 miles from harrison though
[07:25] <number10> look NE of chatanooga
[07:27] <number10> 35.114783,-85.138993
[07:28] <number10> probably too early for jokes
[07:37] <fsphil> natrium42, what have you been doing to the tracker :p
[07:38] <fsphil> I like it!
[07:39] <natrium42> :)
[07:39] <natrium42> just added rjharrison's notam overlay in Info tab
[07:39] <fsphil> ooh, clicky
[07:40] <fsphil> nice
[07:43] <natrium42> fsphil: the problem with the tracker is that if there are too many vehicles, it will run out of room
[07:43] <natrium42> let's try
[07:44] <number10> is this the spacenear.us/tracker or another?
[07:44] <fsphil> room?
[07:44] <fsphil> number10, yep spacenear
[07:44] <fsphil> got a full-page map now
[07:45] <fsphil> oooh I getcha now natrium42
[07:45] <fsphil> vertical space
[07:45] <natrium42> yeah, but you can switch back to old view via the config
[07:45] <number10> ic - from info select NOTAM - number10 is slow
[07:45] <natrium42> just set $fullscreen = false
[07:45] <fsphil> lol, love that pic of rob
[07:46] <eroomde> morning all
[07:46] <fsphil> natrium42, :p
[07:46] <natrium42> hi eroomde
[07:46] <natrium42> :D
[07:47] <natrium42> see, if you drag window up now
[07:47] <fsphil> yea
[07:47] <number10> morning eroomde
[07:47] <natrium42> it cuts things off
[07:47] <fsphil> I suppose for those cases you could hide most of them -- have that box appear if they click on the balloon icon
[07:48] <natrium42> eroomde: what do you think of http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[07:48] <natrium42> oh boo, the tabs are borked, for some reason
[07:49] <eroomde> oh nice!
[07:49] <eroomde> but yes some borking
[07:49] <natrium42> aah, it's because of the space in the vehicle name
[07:49] <eroomde> but yes, really like the fullscreen mapage
[07:50] <natrium42> fsphil's mom borked it
[07:50] <eroomde> we'll have to get session picking into habhub soon
[07:50] <fsphil> yay
[07:50] <eroomde> tab overload :)
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[08:09] <eroomde> natrium42: i just noticed the icarus logos
[08:09] <eroomde> lol
[08:17] <fsphil> full-screen map looks good on a big screen
[08:23] <eroomde> and on my little one too
[08:24] <eroomde> my shiny mba is great and all but the old tracker looked a bit cramped
[08:24] <fsphil> should help with the eeepc tpp
[08:24] <fsphil> too*
[08:25] <fsphil> is a copy of the tracker available anywhere, for running offline?
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[08:27] <fsphil> ah wait, stupid question - google maps
[08:27] <eroomde> fsphil: lol
[08:28] <fsphil> silly always-on internet, spoils you ;)
[08:28] <eroomde> but i think the plan is to make an offline version of habitat
[08:28] <eroomde> so with a local scrape of gmaps
[08:28] <eroomde> for hardcore chasing with no 3g - i.e. norfolk
[08:28] <fsphil> generally good coverage here, but enough gaps to keep disconnecting me
[08:28] <eroomde> it's too patchy around cam
[08:29] <eroomde> i'd much rather have offline
[08:29] <fsphil> agreed - plus it would be a lot lot faster
[08:29] <fsphil> the tracker was painful to use over O2
[08:29] <fsphil> weirdly I found it a lot easier to VNC into my machine at home and use it there
[08:30] <eroomde> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/images/tracker.png
[08:30] <eroomde> we had that in 2008 ^
[08:30] <eroomde> for chase cars
[08:30] <eroomde> that had live landing prediction too
[08:30] <number10> I have a copy of memory map, was thinking tking toget the balloon coordinates and outputting them in nmea format into the PC serial port running memory map
[08:30] <fsphil> aah gpsdrive, I've played with that
[08:31] <eroomde> we've sort of gone backwards since then in terms of chase car technology
[08:31] <fsphil> I'm going to throw together a quick hacky map for next time, using the open street map controls
[08:32] <fsphil> it has excellent caching, and a function for pre-fetching an area
[08:32] <eroomde> you really need a local live mapping and landing prediction display
[08:32] <eroomde> with distance and bearing between the balloon and you
[08:32] <fsphil> I'm hoping to have prediction too -- got the pred executable compiled
[08:32] <fsphil> haven't used it though- dunno if it works
[08:33] <fsphil> can download all the wind and map data here before I leave
[08:35] <eroomde> good lord, i have a bacon sandwich made from the pigs i can see in the field next to us, and an amazing mug of coffee from monmouth coffee, and the place i'm staying has a conservatory, in which I am sitting, in a dressing gown
[08:35] <eroomde> this is it
[08:35] <eroomde> right, it's all down hill for the rest of the day from here
[08:35] <fsphil> good day then lol
[08:35] <eroomde> speaking of which, i am going to meet up with Darkside
[08:35] <fsphil> haha
[08:36] <eroomde> there's an amazing coach service bwteen ox and london called the oxford tube
[08:36] <eroomde> it's £11 for an overnight reyurn, it goes every 15 mins till about 4am, and it has free wifi
[08:37] <fsphil> see that's public transport done right
[08:37] <eroomde> yeah
[08:37] <eroomde> it actually makes it undeniably easier than using a car
[08:37] <eroomde> = win
[08:38] <eroomde> whereas so often it's easier to drive
[08:38] <fsphil> everyone here has cars, or you don't get anywhere
[08:38] <fsphil> the bus service is very poor
[08:38] <fsphil> except in the cities
[08:39] <eroomde> basically the same here
[08:39] <number10> no busses here :(
[08:39] <eroomde> and going from one city to another is usually ok
[08:39] <fsphil> best bus service I've used is Edinburgh's
[08:39] <eroomde> number10: you're in cam no?
[08:39] <number10> at work yes, but at home in ridgewell nothing
[08:40] <eroomde> oh i see
[08:40] <eroomde> yes
[08:40] <eroomde> within cam they're ok
[08:40] <eroomde> actually if i cycle out to the back of beyond i sometimes see a lot looking citi 6 or something
[08:41] <eroomde> lost*
[08:42] <eroomde> http://www.raspberrypi.org/?p=78
[08:42] <eroomde> we're going to have to fly these
[08:42] <eroomde> and use them everywhere
[08:42] <eroomde> it'd make a perfect automatic yagi tracker control
[08:42] <eroomde> ethernet audio streaming of telem, pointing control
[08:42] <eroomde> etc etc
[08:47] <number10> is there a release from EARS today? http://randomaerospace.com/balloonrelease/balloonrelease/balloonreleases.html
[08:48] <eroomde> es
[08:48] <eroomde> some guys from brizzle uni
[08:48] <eroomde> yes*
[08:51] <number10> they have a HABS but thats not high altitude its BU hot air society
[08:52] <eroomde> oh right
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[09:05] <Darkside> k
[09:06] <Darkside> eroomde: at south kens
[09:06] <Darkside> walking to museum
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[09:14] <Darkside> eroomde: um in the space sextion
[09:14] <Darkside> section
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[09:21] <Upu> launch on 650 or 075 ?
[09:21] <RocketBoy> having real problems with my internet connection - is XABEN up on the tracker?
[09:21] <Upu> yes it is
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[09:22] <eroomde> DajdklfDar
[09:22] <fsphil> woo
[09:22] <Upu> ok afk
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[09:22] <fsphil> password eroomde?
[09:22] <Darkside> lil
[09:22] <Darkside> hey eroomde
[09:23] <Darkside> um makung the modwrn world
[09:23] <fsphil> ahy good Darkside?
[09:24] <RocketBoy> 0750
[09:26] <Darkside> jesus christ the v2 is bif
[09:26] <Darkside> big
[09:27] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[09:27] <RocketBoy> cant run spacenear.us - so i just wanted to check its uploading
[09:28] <fsphil> RocketBoy, both balloon and chase car are there. last update 9:24
[09:28] <Dutch-Mill> Hi
[09:28] <Randomskk> 9:24 UTC, I imagine
[09:28] <fsphil> aye
[09:28] <Randomskk> actually the chase car is reporting 1999-11-30 00:00:00
[09:29] <fsphil> It's a delorian
[09:29] <Randomskk> hehe
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[09:33] <g8khw-iPhone> Fsphil ta
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[10:11] <Darkside> the listening post is so cool
[10:11] <Randomskk> I know!
[10:11] <Randomskk> :D
[10:12] <Darkside> the listening post is so cool
[10:18] <eroomde> Darkside: yo
[10:18] <eroomde> on coach's wifi now
[10:19] <eroomde> Randomskk: i'm heading in currently
[10:19] <Randomskk> okay. Darkside: what time is your lhs talk?
[10:19] <eroomde> 7pm on lhs website
[10:20] <Randomskk> oh yes
[10:21] <eroomde> i might treat my mba to a protective cover from the apple store
[10:21] <eroomde> gotta keep up the sinyness
[10:21] <eroomde> whininess*
[10:21] <eroomde> oh bugger
[10:21] <eroomde> bumpy coach
[10:21] <eroomde> shininess
[10:22] <Randomskk> I bought a nice sleeve for mine
[10:22] <eroomde> it's cos she's worth it
[10:22] <Randomskk> http://www.etsy.com/transaction/42970975
[10:23] <eroomde> Randomskk: dooes iterm2 have a hyperlinkifier parser built in?
[10:23] <eroomde> i miss it from gnome terminal
[10:23] <Randomskk> cmd+click links
[10:23] <Randomskk> may have to click twice for some reason
[10:24] <eroomde> whimsical flowers
[10:24] <eroomde> gosh
[10:24] <eroomde> just like you
[10:24] <eroomde> OMG
[10:24] <eroomde> that has made my day
[10:24] <Randomskk> exactly like me, I am basically the same as whimsical flowers
[10:24] <Randomskk> what, cmd+click?
[10:25] <eroomde> yes
[10:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:25] <eroomde> laaaaaaaatency
[10:25] <Randomskk> I don't know why it doesn't underline links or whatever, but it's super handy
[10:25] <eroomde> especially in biusy chat rooms
[10:25] <Randomskk> yea
[10:25] <eroomde> where it doesn't stic around long enough to highlight and copy
[10:26] <Randomskk> though that is where irssi's url catcher is handy
[10:26] <eroomde> ?
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[10:26] <Randomskk> it can have a window that lists all the recent urls it's seen
[10:26] <g8khw-iPhone> Launching in 10
[10:27] <eroomde> good luck g8khw-iPhone
[10:27] <eroomde> got any rain there?
[10:27] <g8khw-iPhone> Nope
[10:28] <eroomde> ok
[10:28] <eroomde> it's heading over
[10:28] <eroomde> came through oxfordshire a few hrs ago
[10:29] <eroomde> Randomskk: I've suggested Franco Manca on chiswick high st to darkside
[10:29] <eroomde> for lunch
[10:29] <eroomde> it's a special place
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[10:30] <Randomskk> what's the day-plan? right now I'm still at home but home is something like 40 minutes from waterloo
[10:30] <Randomskk> but I don't know what's going on until LHS at 7?
[10:30] <eroomde> i have no idea either
[10:30] <eroomde> i'm just going to get there and see what happens
[10:30] <eroomde> plenty with which to amuse oneself
[10:31] <Randomskk> you just need to find yourself an artisan cafe and sit down with your mba huh? :P
[10:31] <eroomde> zackly
[10:31] <Randomskk> maybe go to le pain quotidien or something
[10:31] <Randomskk> tons of them around london
[10:31] <eroomde> hack away on the python predicter
[10:31] <eroomde> er, i mean my film script
[10:31] <Randomskk> haha
[10:32] <Randomskk> your great novel?
[10:32] <Randomskk> "it's like 'gone with the wind'"
[10:32] <eroomde> my business plan pitch
[10:33] <eroomde> at least we don't have that 'i need to write the great american novel' cultural wekspot
[10:33] <eroomde> we already have plenty
[10:33] <Randomskk> indeed
[10:33] <eroomde> like three men in a boat
[10:33] <eroomde> which is hysterical infact
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[10:35] <eroomde> wow, this is ruislip
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[10:35] <eroomde> the mythical place that tube lines terminate at
[10:35] <Randomskk> and yet you never actually seem to go there
[10:36] <eroomde> except today!
[10:36] <Randomskk> they become more names of tube services than places
[10:36] <Randomskk> are you going there or just.. passing through? :P
[10:36] <eroomde> exactly
[10:36] <eroomde> i think punting is like that
[10:36] <eroomde> granchester isn't so much a place as a state of mind
[10:36] <Randomskk> haha indeed
[10:36] <eroomde> 'We've reached Granchester!', upon which declaration you can turn around and coem back
[10:37] <Randomskk> and given as it all looks like fields by that point anyway the distinction is academic unless you want cream tea too
[10:37] <eroomde> exactly
[10:38] <eroomde> Randomskk: have you played with Divvy?
[10:38] <GW8RAK> Do they still do cream teas in Grantchester?
[10:39] <Randomskk> I don't think they could ever stop.
[10:39] <eroomde> yep
[10:39] <Randomskk> eroomde: nope
[10:39] <GW8RAK> That brings back memories
[10:39] <Randomskk> though that looks kind of nice
[10:39] <eroomde> in the orchards
[10:39] <Randomskk> I keep wanting to play with a tiling WM for linux
[10:39] <eroomde> Randomskk: i'm very impressed with it
[10:39] Action: Randomskk watches screencast
[10:39] <eroomde> you can very quickly tile 4 terms together which fit very well on an mba
[10:39] <eroomde> each is 96 x 23
[10:40] <eroomde> for example
[10:40] Action: Randomskk enjoys the narrator's dulcet tones
[10:40] <eroomde> ncie aren't they
[10:40] <eroomde> the keyboard shortcuts are the thing
[10:41] <eroomde> on a 24 inch monitor you can do (which works nicely) half web browser, other half 4 terminals
[10:41] <eroomde> which is a nice setup for web hacking
[10:42] <eroomde> more flexible than sizeup which will only let you do halves or quarters
[10:42] <Randomskk> yea, being able to quickly tile optimal number of terminals is the thing I really want
[10:42] <Randomskk> though that said screen and vim splits means I can often get away with a single terminal
[10:42] <eroomde> true yes
[10:42] <Randomskk> also 80 width terminals are the only true size
[10:42] <eroomde> :)
[10:42] <eroomde> not with set: number
[10:43] <eroomde> :set number even
[10:44] <Randomskk> with my font size I can fullscreen vim and split into three 79-wide terminals
[10:44] <Randomskk> which is nice
[10:45] <eroomde> is p pyInTheSky too naff a name for a python flight predictor?
[10:45] <eroomde> i rather like it
[10:45] <earthshine> o/
[10:45] <Randomskk> that's fantastic! though not sure if it should be camelcased
[10:45] <eroomde> especially the image of richard griffiths coding away with a glass or burgundy and his chef's uniform
[10:46] <eroomde> glass of *
[10:46] <eroomde> or/of is my most common typo
[10:46] <eroomde> i wonder why i do it
[10:46] <eroomde> pyinthesky
[10:47] <eroomde> lowercase is the convention in pep8 for module names isn't it?
[10:47] <Randomskk> yea though let me double check :P
[10:47] <Randomskk> Package and Module Names
[10:47] <Randomskk> Modules should have short, all-lowercase names. Underscores can be used
[10:47] <Randomskk> in the module name if it improves readability. Python packages should
[10:48] <Randomskk> also have short, all-lowercase names, although the use of underscores is
[10:48] <Randomskk> discouraged.
[10:48] <Randomskk> so yes, "pyinthesky"
[10:48] <eroomde> cool
[10:48] <eroomde> settled
[10:48] <Randomskk> eroomde: so after you kind of kick started that couch sprint
[10:48] <Randomskk> we now have a working parser and uploader from rh.org
[10:48] <Randomskk> running live against couch
[10:48] <Randomskk> in the new couch-centric design
[10:48] <Randomskk> s/couch sprint/habitat sprint
[10:49] <eroomde> hmm the police motorbikes around here are those funny ones with 2 wheels at the front
[10:49] <Randomskk> all that's left until swapping live to habitat is a spacenear.us uploader
[10:49] <eroomde> ok super
[10:49] <fsphil> xaben's launched
[10:49] <eroomde> and then phase in the dl-fldigi mods?
[10:50] <Randomskk> yea, that's right next on the list
[10:50] <Randomskk> we're trying to do continuous deployment and have actually short iterations that result in working stuff, now :P
[10:50] <eroomde> grand
[10:51] <Randomskk> so with the parser running against couch, the hack on rh.org uploading current telem and a thing sending data to spacenear.us we're set to actually go live
[10:51] <fsphil> so this current launch is being stored in couchdb now?
[10:51] <Randomskk> will probably do a thing to convert between json and xml too, as right now all dl-fldigis out there need xml payload config docs
[10:52] <Randomskk> fsphil: not sure if we have a config doc for it, uhm
[10:52] <eroomde> yeah
[10:52] <Randomskk> fsphil: wb8elk?
[10:52] <Randomskk> or xaben?
[10:52] <fsphil> xaben
[10:52] <Randomskk> yea, no xaben config doc :|
[10:52] <Randomskk> hang on
[10:52] <Darkside> hey eroomde
[10:53] <Darkside> how far off are you?
[10:53] <Randomskk> okay I've just added an xaben config doc
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[10:53] <eroomde> Darkside: W12 currently
[10:54] <eroomde> so not too far
[10:54] <RocketBoy> is the tracker working guys?
[10:54] <Randomskk> okay! it's now parsing xaben data okay
[10:54] <Darkside> no idea what or where that is
[10:54] <fsphil> hiya RocketBoy, upu's radio is receiving and uploading
[10:54] <RocketBoy> cheers
[10:54] <eroomde> i'm going to go to victoria then jump on the tube
[10:54] <eroomde> mett you in the mus?
[10:54] <RocketBoy> anything fom me?
[10:54] <fsphil> RocketBoy, yea just seen you on the receiver field
[10:55] <fsphil> it's doing that thing where it only shows one at a time
[10:55] <Darkside> eroomde: sure.
[10:55] <Darkside> gimme a buzz when you get here
[10:55] <eroomde> Darkside: ok
[10:56] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/097ee63cfd88adf0f4a86bed58320dda898bec1b693dabd420b97f467c830998
[10:56] <Randomskk> ^some recently parsed telem
[10:56] <fsphil> love it!
[10:56] <fsphil> it's a python daemon doing the parsing yea?
[10:56] <Randomskk> yea
[10:56] <Randomskk> though it's not being given telem per se
[10:57] <fsphil> how often does it check? or is it notified of a new string?
[10:57] <Randomskk> notified
[10:57] <fsphil> excellent
[10:57] <Randomskk> basically rh.org is now pushing new telemetry directly into our database
[10:57] <fsphil> does it need to run as a service?
[10:57] <eroomde> are the _ids uuid or some hash of the contents?
[10:57] <eroomde> or something else?
[10:57] <Randomskk> and every time a new piece of unparsed telemetry comes in, it's given to the parser
[10:57] <Randomskk> which parses and saves the data
[10:57] <eroomde> Darkside: I'm in shepard's bush if ou know where that is
[10:57] <Randomskk> eroomde: sha something hash of the base64 telemetry data
[10:58] <eroomde> ok cool
[10:58] <Randomskk> fsphil: shortly we'll also have a thing watch for new parsed telemetry and upload it to spacenear.us
[10:58] <eroomde> so that makes distributed syncing a whole lot easier
[10:58] <Randomskk> fsphil: yea, the parser needs to be run as an ongoing service right now. it's possible that eventually couchdb will run the parser itself
[10:58] <Randomskk> eroomde: yea! we still need to write a thing that watches for new document conflicts and resolves them to ease replication though
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[10:59] <Randomskk> that's mostly trivial though
[10:59] <Randomskk> and also on our task list
[11:00] <Randomskk> https://docs.google.com/a/adamgreig.com/document/pub?id=1dK1K1nLBAomeVziSfcPL7CJEyo863Rbf54sCX0V6CJk needs moving to something else soonish but for now, hah
[11:00] <Randomskk> right gotta go get food shopping, back in a bit, will head into london in the p.m. I suspect
[11:01] <Randomskk> may just find a place to hack on habitat some, depends how early I turn up
[11:01] <Randomskk> bbl
[11:02] <fsphil> interesting, xaben's custom data is another set of coordinates. two gps modules?
[11:02] <eroomde> Randomskk: ok
[11:02] <eroomde> text when you get in
[11:02] <Randomskk> fsphil: http://habitat.habhub.org/testing-web/demo.html
[11:02] <Randomskk> click GMaps
[11:02] <Randomskk> click Track next to XABEN
[11:03] <Randomskk> should live update
[11:03] <fsphil> it lives! if a little squiggly
[11:03] <fsphil> ah that's old data
[11:03] <Randomskk> or click Stream to get the data as it comes in
[11:04] <fsphil> working well
[11:04] <Randomskk> that's a very very basic interface to the database that DanielRichman threw up
[11:05] <Randomskk> so it's very rough around the edges, but still :P
[11:05] <Randomskk> right bbl now
[11:06] <GW8RAK> Got a decode at under 7000m altitude. Never had one below 12000 before
[11:06] <eroomde> GW8RAK: what's your location?
[11:07] <GW8RAK> North Wales, 20miles from Chester
[11:07] <eroomde> ah ok
[11:07] <eroomde> i am going to set up a small yagi tracker on my new place in oxford
[11:08] <eroomde> i hope i should be able to get quite a lot of uk things from that relatively central location
[11:08] <GW8RAK> I'm on top of a hill with a great take off in most directions.
[11:08] <fsphil> ooh conditions must be good
[11:08] <eroomde> nice
[11:08] <fsphil> better get my radio setup!
[11:09] <GW8RAK> Don't know if it's that or the preamp
[11:09] <GW8RAK> But general conditions today seem up a bit
[11:09] <GW8RAK> Has says with nothing but a subjective gut feeling
[11:09] <eroomde> polished silver co-ax in argon?
[11:09] <fsphil> lol
[11:09] <eroomde> the eme guys do that
[11:09] <eroomde> for realz
[11:10] <GW8RAK> Argon/krypton mix is so much better.
[11:10] <fsphil> they like the audiophile people?
[11:10] <GW8RAK> argon is so yesterday
[11:10] <eroomde> their impedance matching harnesses for phased arrays are quite incredible
[11:11] <GW8RAK> I'm planning a pair of yagis, but don't know if they will be as successful as they could be if I DIY the harness
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[11:11] <eroomde> GW8RAK: fun tho :)
[11:12] <eroomde> well infact, if you DIY the yagos you can mae them to the correct impedance can you not?
[11:12] <GW8RAK> Yes, and 2 small yagis are easier than one long one
[11:12] <eroomde> such that you can match them with just 50 ohm coax
[11:12] <eroomde> yeah - i think my my oxford roof i might go for 2 x 3 or 4 elements
[11:12] <eroomde> just little, as it can;t be permentant
[11:13] <eroomde> and also so it can go on my roof rack for chases
[11:13] <GW8RAK> Wasn't thinking of DIY yagis, unless they are small ones, i.e. 4 * 5 ele on 70cm
[11:13] <eroomde> wow i am next to a pagani dealership
[11:13] <GW8RAK> Small enough that there are no supports in front of the reflector and light enough that the whole lot could be rotated for different polarisation
[11:13] <GW8RAK> Pagani?
[11:13] <eroomde> zonda
[11:14] <eroomde> just on the bus going through marble arch
[11:15] <GW8RAK> Are the womens beach volleyball teams still there?
[11:15] <eroomde> haven't seen them yet if they are
[11:15] <eroomde> just went past the dorchester
[11:16] <eroomde> still not sure i'd want to be a banker tho
[11:16] <GW8RAK> Used to like going through London and visiting it, but only been there twice in the last 22 years.
[11:16] <GW8RAK> I wonder if it has changed much?
[11:16] <eroomde> blimey!
[11:16] <fsphil> doubt it lol
[11:16] <eroomde> not sure, i am only 23
[11:17] <eroomde> so don't really recall it from before
[11:17] <eroomde> i'm here quite often as almost everyone moved here after graduating
[11:17] <fsphil> aah not in contact with your previous lives eroomde. you need to get some of the angel therapy :)
[11:17] <eroomde> my chakra does feel like it needs a bit of a relignment
[11:18] <GW8RAK> signal strengths are really dropping now.
[11:18] <fsphil> woo, the auto-tuner is fixed properly - have upu's radio retuning automatically. great for lazy gits like myself
[11:18] <eroomde> right bbl
[11:18] <GW8RAK> sigs back up again
[11:18] <eroomde> Darkside: just pulling into victoria
[11:19] <eroomde> with you soon
[11:19] <fsphil> it's a bit wobbly GW8RAK
[11:19] <fsphil> must be windy up there today
[11:19] <GW8RAK> Frequency isn't too bad, but there must be some atmospheric ducting at 10000m today
[11:19] <GW8RAK> Seen it before and it's often at around 18km
[11:20] <Darkside> aaand im back at the listening post
[11:20] <Darkside> man this is cool
[11:21] <fsphil> I should have booked more than just the weekend for going to london
[11:21] <fsphil> drat
[11:21] <fsphil> will have to go again
[11:25] <Darkside> heh
[11:25] <fsphil> no signal here yet
[11:26] <fsphil> although...
[11:28] <fsphil> nah - just noise
[11:28] <Darkside> loooool
[11:28] <Darkside> rude words on the listening post
[11:29] <fsphil> no sign of us on there? :)
[11:29] <Darkside> it just said,'i love to give head'
[11:29] <fsphil> haha
[11:30] <Darkside> its using live data
[11:30] <Darkside> afaik
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[11:50] <fsphil> this payload is heading straight for the north sea
[11:52] <fsphil> there we go... very weak trace on the waterfall
[11:53] <GW8RAK> Beautifully quiet signals here. Little noise, but local bursts.
[11:54] <GW8RAK> I wonder what the burst altitude will be?
[11:54] <fsphil> not long now I expect
[11:54] <fsphil> steve mentioned 20km
[11:55] <GW8RAK> 20km
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[11:56] <fsphil> starting to get little snippets of text
[11:58] <GW8RAK> Burst?
[11:58] <fsphil> yea
[11:58] <fsphil> pyro2?
[11:58] <fsphil> must have been a cut-down
[12:00] <fsphil> just as well, that coast was getting awful close :)
[12:02] <fsphil> bbl, lunch :)
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[12:20] <RocketBoy> can anyone run a landing spot prediction?
[12:22] <GW8RAK> On the predictor? Can do
[12:22] <RocketBoy> cheers
[12:23] <doughecka> sweet, wb8ELK is showing up on the tracker
[12:23] <Darkside> what,freq is it on
[12:23] <Darkside> the launch
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[12:25] <GW8RAK> Predictor is saying that burst would be further north than it actually was, so estimating, landing should be around Beccles. I hope I've got that right
[12:26] <GW8RAK> Predictor isn't giving any sense.
[12:27] <GW8RAK> I think wind is greater now than it was.
[12:29] <GW8RAK> Looking at last position RocketBoy, north of the A143 near Rushall
[12:32] <RocketBoy> cheers
[12:32] <RocketBoy> hedding off
[12:35] <GW8RAK> Between Needham and Rushall
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[14:09] <cuddykid> hope I've crimped this sma to coax properly
[14:25] <fsphil> did you solder the centre pin?
[14:25] <fsphil> xaben recovered from the looks of it
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[14:31] <RocketBoy> yo
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> yoyo
[14:31] <RocketBoy> got it back ok
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> Up a tree?
[14:32] <RocketBoy> nice farmers filed landing - no trees
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[14:32] <cuddykid> fsphil, nope
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> How'd it get found?
[14:32] <cuddykid> fsphil, just crimped it - hot glued everything in the end
[14:32] <RocketBoy> no high trees around anyway
[14:33] <RocketBoy> heading home now - BBL
[14:33] <cuddykid> good stuff RocketBoy
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[14:35] <fsphil> like a happy ending
[14:35] <fsphil> you hot glued an SMA plug onto cable? :)
[14:36] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> Cheap conductive hot-glue would be awesome.
[14:36] <cuddykid> fsphil, after the crimping lol
[14:37] <fsphil> I never crimp the centre pin anymore, it always gets crushed and breaks in two
[14:38] <cuddykid> golf time bbl
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[15:39] <Darkside> natrium42: poke
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[15:42] <eroomde> Randomskk: hello
[15:42] <eroomde> are you inbound?
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[15:56] <DanielRichman> hey eroomde! new shiny habitat is working
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[16:00] <Darkside> oohh
[16:01] <Darkside> DanielRichman: got examples?
[16:01] <Darkside> i can provide some test data :-)
[16:01] <eroomde> DanielRichman: cool
[16:01] <eroomde> Darkside and I are at the london hackspace
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[16:01] <fsphil> looks like the US launch is about to begin shortly
[16:02] <Darkside> oh cool
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[16:03] <DanielRichman> eroomde: all I can provide is urls
[16:03] <DanielRichman> http://habitat.habhub.org/testing
[16:03] <DanielRichman> and well http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat is the db but that's not much use to you. You can ssh nessie -L 5984:localhost:5984 and look at docs added
[16:03] <DanielRichman> listen.php forwards to it
[16:03] <DanielRichman> parser should work if there's a flight doc for that payload
[16:04] <eroomde> cool
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[16:17] <doughecka> fsphil: you talking about the spaceport flight?
[16:19] <Darkside> http://pastebin.com/4YqqLtQ0
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[16:53] <DanielRichman> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/4706a417cbf0507dad8a974beeac8b48
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[17:04] <fsphil> doughecka, yea
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[17:04] <fsphil> it's in the air now
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[17:14] <jcoxon> evening all
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[17:15] <Randomskk> fsphil: wb8elk is flying?
[17:15] <jcoxon> struggling to access spacenear.us off 3g
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[17:18] <NigeyS> ping Randomskk
[17:18] <eroomde> jcoxon: Randomskk and Darkside and i were just discussing exactly that
[17:18] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: did you get octave running?
[17:18] <Randomskk> hi NigeyS
[17:18] <jcoxon> its picked up for me now
[17:18] <NigeyS> hey dude, did you want me ?
[17:18] <eroomde> need a very minimal mobile display
[17:18] <Randomskk> oh uhm
[17:19] <Randomskk> so this flight on saturday
[17:19] <RocketBoy> yeah - I was struggling with spacenear..us on 3g today - has anyone changed anything?
[17:19] <jcoxon> yeah its a new interface
[17:19] <Randomskk> RocketBoy: think it's just got a bit of data
[17:19] <Randomskk> eroomde suggests using a cusf balloon and helium to get really high up
[17:19] <Randomskk> s/bit/tonnes
[17:20] <Randomskk> NigeyS: if that's cool with you
[17:20] <NigeyS> sounds fine, im still trying to get transport though
[17:20] <eroomde> NigeyS: as i say, if you can get to oxford area, i can take you the rest of the way
[17:20] <eroomde> just on your lonesome
[17:21] <NigeyS> eroomde, that'd be cool, im trying dont worry !
[17:22] <NigeyS> is anyne able to ammend the ats1.xml for me ?
[17:22] <NigeyS> cant get custom fields working for the life of me
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[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: No - was wiped out last night.
[17:25] <Laurenceb_> the offset on the magno looks quite large
[17:25] <Laurenceb_> wonder if the deamon handles it
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure - I haven't been looking much at the upper levels.
[17:25] <jcoxon> is their a batc channel for this flight/
[17:25] <jcoxon> ?
[17:26] <fsphil> grrr, someone dumped 5 kittens nearby
[17:26] <NigeyS> :o
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: There is no software which does anything with the magno on the phones image that I have.
[17:26] <jcoxon> also i've deleted the old wb8elk data
[17:26] <jcoxon> so please refresh spacenear.us
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> ah
[17:26] <jcoxon> much cleaner
[17:27] <NigeyS> fsphil, u rescued them ?
[17:27] <fsphil> NigeyS, couldn't - incompatible with dog :) woman up the road took them in, will be bring them to the vets on monday
[17:28] <fsphil> same thing happened last year. likely the same person doing it.
[17:28] <NigeyS> :o hope someone gets the rspca / police involved!
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Indeed, there is no excuse given the widespread ownership of microwaves.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[17:29] Action: SpeedEvil ponders getting a cat again.
[17:29] <NigeyS> lol
[17:31] <fsphil> eek :p
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[17:32] <NigeyS> how did RocketBoy's launch go, recovered ?
[17:32] <RocketBoy> yeah - all recovred fine - nice farmers field landing
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[17:32] <RocketBoy> and all the crops had been harvested
[17:32] <NigeyS> hey steve didnt see you there! good stuff, was almost a splashdown i see hehe
[17:33] <NigeyS> nice! no trees or pylons = win :D
[17:33] <RocketBoy> Yeah I was sweating a bit - but about where we predicted it wouuld land
[17:34] <NigeyS> hehe i bet, glad it went well though
[17:34] <RocketBoy> I'm feeling I have got the hang of this HAB stuff
[17:34] <jcoxon> haha
[17:34] <NigeyS> :p
[17:34] <fsphil> RocketBoy, was there a cut-down?
[17:35] <RocketBoy> nope - just a small balloon (350)
[17:35] <fsphil> nice! you said 20km before the launch, and it was almost exactly that
[17:35] <RocketBoy> yeah - my predictions are getting better
[17:36] <RocketBoy> need to change the model in the burst calculator - I sort of know it goes up a bit slower and bursts a bit higher than it says
[17:37] <NigeyS> what was the ascent rate steve ?
[17:37] <RocketBoy> the 20k fiigure was my guess
[17:37] <RocketBoy> hang on
[17:38] <RocketBoy> well it was supposed to be about 5.9 biut was a lot slower
[17:38] <NigeyS> oh right
[17:38] <RocketBoy> about 4.5 I think - i'lll need to check the actual data
[17:39] <NigeyS> not bad for a 20k burst
[17:39] <RocketBoy> yes - a totex 350
[17:39] <SamSilver> SpeedEvil: before you get a cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AprARYRMqk&feature=relmfu
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[17:46] <jcoxon> hmm seems people are struggling to rx wb8elk
[17:46] <fsphil> no new telemetry for wb8elk in a few minutes
[17:46] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[17:58] <fsphil> this happened on the last wb8elk launch too -- got a certain distance, then no more telemetry
[17:58] <natrium42> aprs is still working
[17:58] <fsphil> yea, that happened too
[17:58] <natrium42> going to test my aprs script
[17:59] <fsphil> there it is
[17:59] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[17:59] <fsphil> descending
[17:59] <jcoxon> new look on spacenear.us
[18:00] <fsphil> "Mt. Summit" .. not a very original name for a mountain
[18:00] <NigeyS> lol
[18:00] <natrium42> jcoxon: yeah, does it work ok?
[18:01] <jcoxon> yeah, but its a bit painful on a 3g mobile connection
[18:02] <natrium42> it's still the same code, maybe there are more map tiles?
[18:02] <natrium42> doesn't make sense
[18:02] <jcoxon> might be my connection
[18:02] Action: jcoxon is still waiting for internet
[18:02] <fsphil> the old tracker was almost impossible for me to use over 3G
[18:03] <fsphil> don't expect the new one to be any different :)
[18:03] <natrium42> jcoxon: try the old display
[18:03] <jcoxon> predictor is a bit confused :-)
[18:03] <natrium42> http://spacenear.us/tracker/index_oldstyle.php
[18:03] <jcoxon> much quicker
[18:04] <jcoxon> might be my mac
[18:04] <natrium42> perhaps because the map is smaller
[18:04] <natrium42> fewer tiles to get from google
[18:04] <natrium42> can you make the browser window smaller and try the new look?
[18:05] <natrium42> should be just as fast/slow
[18:05] <jcoxon> yeah its map tiles
[18:06] <natrium42> :P
[18:06] <natrium42> should i add a button to switch to old look?
[18:06] <jcoxon> does ?vehicle still work
[18:07] <natrium42> it's called ?filter now
[18:07] <natrium42> ?filter=alice;bob
[18:07] <natrium42> would show only alice and bob
[18:07] <fsphil> oh nearly forgot, there's a small bug in the rtclib jcoxon - fixed upstream (the days-in-the-months variable was missing PROGMEM)
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[18:09] <jcoxon> oh okay
[18:09] <jcoxon> cool
[18:09] <jcoxon> natrium42, can't get that to work
[18:09] <jcoxon> what would hte full url be?
[18:09] <natrium42> oh, aybe i borked it
[18:09] <natrium42> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=xaben
[18:10] <jcoxon> nah thats because its the first on the list
[18:10] <jcoxon> if you swap xaben for wb8elk it doesn't work
[18:11] <natrium42> it doesn't work even for xaben as it should hide the others
[18:11] <natrium42> oh, i see why
[18:14] <jcoxon> natrium42, the conversions from ft to m in the aprs script are a bit detailed
[18:14] <natrium42> psh :P
[18:14] <jcoxon> glad to see we can see it is a 2899.5624m
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[18:18] <natrium42> jcoxon: fixed
[18:20] <jcoxon> awesome
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[18:21] <natrium42> can do http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=wb8elk;wb8elk-11
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[18:24] <natrium42> looks like the aprs script was working fine
[18:24] <natrium42> i will round off the conversions, i guess :P
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[18:47] <fsphil> possible hadie logo: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hab/notree.png
[18:47] <natrium42> lol
[18:47] <NigeyS> haha nice
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[18:49] <jcoxon> :-)
[18:50] <jcoxon> my pico payload has been running now for 50 hours
[18:50] <jcoxon> just on 2xAA lithiums
[18:50] <fsphil> That's like 80 in human years
[18:50] <NigeyS> :o
[18:50] <jcoxon> sure the voltage levels aren't healthy for the gps
[18:50] <jcoxon> but its still got a lock
[18:50] <NigeyS> bah dont mentions gps lock !
[18:51] <NigeyS> mention*
[18:52] <natrium42> lassen sie uns nicht streiten
[18:52] <NigeyS> lassen are just shit
[18:52] <fsphil> I'll sell you an fsa03 NigeyS .. slightly used
[18:52] <NigeyS> how much ? i can do a swap for a nice 2nd hand ft-790 ;)
[18:53] <fsphil> haha
[18:53] <fsphil> I might need that sooner than I thought
[18:53] <NigeyS> oh wait, thats ures anyway
[18:53] <NigeyS> ill pop it in the post monday with the ntx2
[18:53] <NigeyS> $$ATS1,19,18:53:36,51.48676,-3.14738,24,23,3,3*A07B
[18:53] <NigeyS> yey
[18:54] <fsphil> I will have a second chase team next time I hope
[18:54] <NigeyS> schweet!
[18:54] <NigeyS> and chaiansaw yes ?
[18:54] <fsphil> well a saw at least, and the big pole
[18:54] <fsphil> I ain't afraid of no tree
[18:54] <NigeyS> lols
[18:56] <NigeyS> meh its done it again
[18:56] <NigeyS> just a carrier after a line of telem with 4 sats
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[20:38] <number10> are you at work edmoore?
[20:39] <Darkside> no
[20:39] <Darkside> he's on a train back to oxford
[20:39] <number10> did you have a good time in london Darkside?
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[21:32] <eroomde> number10: sorry yo
[21:32] <eroomde> i was in london with darkside today
[21:32] <eroomde> Darkside: coach :)
[21:39] <fsphil> looking at the habitat source -- it mentions a Fletcher-16 and Fletcher-16-256 checksum - are these being used by anyonein use?
[21:40] <fsphil> -"in use"
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[21:40] <Randomskk> fsphil: so uhm
[21:41] <Randomskk> I think rjharrison used fletcher 16 once
[21:41] <Randomskk> but then he actually used it modulus 256
[21:41] <Randomskk> which is unusual
[21:41] <Randomskk> so when I implemented the checksums in habitat I implemented fletcher-16 with variable modulus, made a 16-256 one, also made crc16-cccitt and xor
[21:42] <fsphil> makes sense
[21:43] <fsphil> any benefits to Fletcher-16 over the cccitt checksum?
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[21:45] <Randomskk> fsphil: don't think so
[21:45] <Darkside> hey Randomskk
[21:45] <Randomskk> slightly simpler to implement in code
[21:45] <Randomskk> hi Darkside!
[21:45] <Darkside> i'm still at the space
[21:45] <Darkside> lol
[21:45] <Randomskk> oh nice
[21:45] Action: Randomskk is back home
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[21:45] <Randomskk> should really go to the space more often
[21:45] <Darkside> heh
[21:46] <Randomskk> it's really nice, but kinda far from home
[21:46] <Darkside> i'm gonna head back to my accomodations i think
[21:46] <Darkside> trains appear to come often enough
[21:46] <Randomskk> yea, being so close to hoxton is really handy
[21:46] <Darkside> so as long as i don't go in the wrong direction i should be fine
[21:46] <Randomskk> hehe
[21:49] <eroomde> it really is a good place to.... hack
[21:49] <Randomskk> haha yes
[21:50] <Randomskk> it turns out my ssh to my server was over ipv6
[21:50] <Randomskk> which just worked!
[21:50] <Randomskk> the only other time I've had that just work is in my room network at college where my router gives out public ipv6 addresses via a tunnel to he.net
[21:50] <Randomskk> also lhs is full of great stuff
[21:50] <Randomskk> like the sign above the toilet paper that says "techhub memberships, please take one"
[21:53] <Upu> evening
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[22:06] <NigeyS> evening upu
[22:06] <Upu> evening NigeyS
[22:06] <mattltm> Hi guys
[22:06] <Upu> Looks like fsphil picked up the launch this morning from my station
[22:07] <NigeyS> cool
[22:07] <NigeyS> lo matt
[22:07] Action: Darkside waits for a train
[22:07] <Darkside> yaaay
[22:07] <NigeyS> \o/
[22:07] <Darkside> waiting at hoxton for tue overground
[22:07] <mattltm> Hey NigeyS :)
[22:07] <NigeyS> Darkside, how long you in london for ?
[22:08] <Darkside> until tomorrow
[22:08] <Darkside> going back tomorrow night
[22:09] <Darkside> 4 min until train
[22:09] <NigeyS> ahh not to bad, making a good weekend of it
[22:09] <Darkside> yup
[22:09] <Darkside> only really going to the hackerspace tho lol
[22:09] <Darkside> might go for a walk around westminster tomorrow
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[22:10] <Randomskk> regent's park with a picnic is nice and fairly close to where you're staying
[22:10] <NigeyS> oh aye regents park is ace on a nice summers day
[22:11] <Darkside> mm I might go for a walk
[22:12] <Darkside> ill look at the maps tonight when I get back
[22:12] <Darkside> ok train
[22:15] <NigeyS> lalala
[22:15] Action: NigeyS throws lassen gps at the nearest window
[22:16] <rjharrison> hey Upu
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[22:28] <NigeyS> !top10
[22:28] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. fsphil(54047) 2. Darkside(39624) 3. Randomskk(32396) 4. SpeedEvil(31174) 5. eroomde(29107) 6. cuddykid(27491) 7. Dan-K2VOL(23341) 8. Lunar_Lander(22995) 9. Upu(22041) 10. Laurenceb(19948)
[22:29] <NigeyS> wth im not in the top 10 :|
[22:29] <NigeyS> !stat
[22:29] <HAMBotty> NigeyS: 18548 words, 96658 letters, 80 smilies, time wasted: 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours 44 minutes .
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> 0450556727 Robin Bailey Straight on till mourning acc sm
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> argh
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Forgot to tab back
[22:29] <NigeyS> lol ello SpeedEvil
[22:29] <Randomskk> yeea I'm slowly clawing my way back up
[22:30] <NigeyS> no fair!
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> I have just typed in 4 carrier bags of books, to get ready for listing on amazon.
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Out of the first 80 or so, I've had 10 sales, so far, whihc is more than I expected
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> So it makes sense to list the rest.
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, the rest weighs a nontrivial fraction of a ton.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> Actually - if my numbers are right - pretty much bang on a ton.
[22:32] <NigeyS> bloody hell
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> So - go through, type in ISBN, condition, and if it's >22mm thick.
[22:35] <NigeyS> rather you than me
[22:36] <NigeyS> btw anyone know what the lassen pps pin does? :|
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> Pulse per second
[22:36] <NigeyS> would that correspond to any of the pins on a ftdi connector by any chance ?
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> It's a pulse per second
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> It's not a serial thingy
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> It makes a pulse a second.
[22:37] <NigeyS> oh right, thought maybe it had a specific ftdi counterpart or something
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> Annoying amount of work - but 4-800 quid isn't something I can ignore.
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> And 3m^3 of more house
[22:38] <fsphil> pps is great if you need really really accurate time
[22:39] <mattltm> Ha, just the man!
[22:39] <mattltm> Hi fsphil :)
[22:39] <fsphil> evening :)
[22:40] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, dam, for that amount id do it! hehe
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> Plus - it goes against the grain just to skip them.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> But I need some of my house back.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> And I'm not reading them anymore.
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[22:49] <Darkside> k back at accomodations
[22:51] <fsphil> good day?
[22:51] <NigeyS> g'day
[22:51] <NigeyS> :p
[22:53] <Darkside> yes, it was a good day
[22:53] <Darkside> lol
[22:54] <fsphil> not sure g'day works as a question :)
[22:54] <NigeyS> dam!
[22:56] <fsphil> python is a weird weird language
[22:58] <Randomskk> whaaat :P
[22:59] <Randomskk> probably best to not look at habitat's right now iteration as idiomatic python, it just went through a massive refactoring to fit a new model and it's not tidy yet
[22:59] <Randomskk> python is lovely though :P
[22:59] <Randomskk> hmm this is very weird, I'm toying with xmonad
[23:00] <fsphil> it is quite nice
[23:00] <Randomskk> learning haskell to set your desktop keyboard shortcuts seems extreme
[23:04] Action: natrium42 is learning ruby
[23:04] <Randomskk> ruby's really nice! I use it a lot at work
[23:04] <Randomskk> in many ways it's nicer than python, but mostly I learn that python does the same thing in a way that eventually makes more sense to me
[23:04] <natrium42> i want to use spree e-commerce solution
[23:05] <Randomskk> a lot of the python libraries are more mature, but a lot of the ruby tools are really high quality
[23:05] <Randomskk> gem, bundler, rake, rspec, cucumber in particular are all excellent
[23:05] <natrium42> Darkside: were you looking for me earlier?
[23:05] <fsphil> q: binary data is fine in python strings?
[23:05] <Randomskk> uhm
[23:05] <Randomskk> python2 or python3?
[23:06] <Randomskk> in python2, yes, it's fine, but it will confuse things that try to parse it as requiring a charset later if it comes up
[23:06] <Darkside> natrium42: was just wondering how the new spacenear.us handles extra data
[23:06] <fsphil> erm.. dunno :)
[23:06] <Darkside> i added my payload to the old tracker
[23:06] <Randomskk> in python3, there's two types of 'string' - unicode strings, and raw bytes
[23:06] <Darkside> but that night you switch it over to the new tracker
[23:06] <natrium42> Darkside: it's still the same code, only presentation has changed
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> http://davidclayton.com/gallery/csi.jpg
[23:06] <Randomskk> Darkside: are you talking about XML?
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> Genius
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[23:07] <Darkside> natrium42: hmm
[23:07] <Darkside> i'll have to upload some data with gps lock and see how it goes
[23:07] <Randomskk> Darkside: check http://habhub.org/tracker when you do, too, it should appear there
[23:07] <natrium42> the js now lives under tracker/js/tracker.js.php
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[23:44] <natrium42> Darkside: added filter to the settings tab in the tracker
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[23:50] <NigeyS> woohoo payloads outside, lid on, still has sat lock !
[23:53] <natrium42> cool :)
[23:53] <NigeyS> ello natrium42
[23:54] <natrium42> yi nigeyster
[23:54] <natrium42> so, when's launch?
[23:54] <natrium42> :)
[23:54] <NigeyS> possibly the 20th if i can get to cam
[23:55] <natrium42> awesome
[23:55] <NigeyS> if not, whenever i get a notam for down here, so middle / end of september
[23:55] <natrium42> how far are you from cam?
[23:56] <NigeyS> bout 150miles
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