highaltitude.log.20110727

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[00:13] <NigeyS> ping pong
[00:13] <NigeyS> anyone awake then? :P
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> maybe
[00:13] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[00:14] <NigeyS> BOC havme confused, their datasheet says 1.81m^3 for a v size cylinder and their web sheet says 1.81m^2 :|
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> I have extreme doubts that they've invented planar helium.
[00:16] <NigeyS> lol me to!
[00:16] <NigeyS> theyve wacked their prices up lately to :/
[00:16] <NigeyS> £111 !
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> From what?
[00:17] <NigeyS> £97
[00:17] Action: SpeedEvil would just use H2
[00:17] <NigeyS> mm H2 .. better start the electrolosys then ;)
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[07:03] <SamSilver> Welcome Guest67980
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[09:19] <fsphil> morning all
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[09:36] <SamSilver> gimp will be the death of me
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[09:40] <fsphil> haha
[09:40] <fsphil> I've had similar thoughts
[09:44] <SamSilver> all I want to do is draw a hexagon
[09:44] <SamSilver> a regular hexagon
[09:45] <SamSilver> six equal sides
[09:45] <SamSilver> now I am going to need a wig
[09:45] <SamSilver> I would have more fun sticking my finger in my eye
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[10:11] <fsphil> better to use inkscape to draw things
[10:12] <SamSilver> thanx fsphil
[10:13] Action: Elwell misses coreldraw -- inskcape's not that bad in comparison
[10:13] <SamSilver> SamSilver is missing some hair*
[10:14] <SamSilver> oops
[10:14] <SamSilver> *
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[10:33] <fsphil> I'm trying to do video editing on linux atm, that's worse :p
[10:35] <SamSilver> fsphil: well say good-bye to that lovley mop of hair
[10:36] <fsphil> dare I say it, but it's not as bad as it used to be
[10:41] <SamSilver> I will watch this space .. >_>
[10:55] <SamSilver> fsphil: inkspace got me a hexagon real quick, now to learn more.
[10:56] <eroomde> fsphil: what vid ed software do you use?
[11:02] <fsphil> at the moment, openshot
[11:02] <fsphil> I've piviti (sp?) installed too, going to try it later
[11:04] <eroomde> cool
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[11:12] <cuddykid> hi all
[11:15] <fsphil> g'day cuddykid
[11:24] <SamSilver> welcome back how was the hols?
[11:25] <cuddykid> hi fsphil SamSilver
[11:25] <SamSilver> did you get a tan?
[11:25] <cuddykid> thanks! - very good, had excellent weather (would be expected though!) - seems v cold now here :(
[11:26] <cuddykid> saw that Upu's launch is postponed - that's a shame
[11:27] <cuddykid> got all sorts of hab goodies here from HK and the likes! SD card breakout, keychain cam, & solarbotics panels!
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[11:37] <fsphil> aah sounds like your next payload will be interesting!
[11:39] <Laurenceb> dia is ok
[11:39] <Laurenceb> bit limited but it has its uses
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[11:43] <cuddykid> fsphil - hopefully! got a lot of stuff to add
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Anyone any experience with disputing a FEDEX vat charge ?
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> They charged me 20 quid, on a 30 quid item.
[11:43] <Laurenceb> nope
[11:43] <Laurenceb> eek
[11:44] <Laurenceb> ive had items where they have used the wrong taric codes, but havent taken it up as its been ~£5
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Solar stuff - 0 duty - but rather too much VAT
[11:45] <Laurenceb> ah - im guessing there taric in there somewhere
[11:45] <Laurenceb> *there is
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> There was a fee of a tenner on top.
[11:46] <Laurenceb> oh they correctly said no duty?
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[11:46] <Laurenceb> odd
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> But charged 20 quid, not 7 quid for VAT
[11:46] <Laurenceb> thats crazy
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> 350W grid tie inverter for 38 quid.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> Yes, it was a bargain, but it's not even making 100 quid on ebay now generally.
[11:49] <fsphil> what model?
[11:49] <fsphil> I've got a solwise one, but they've issued a recall because of a fire hazard -- but refuse to answer calls or emails about it
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[11:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350W-Grid-Tie-Inverter-Solar-Panel-14V-28V-DC-US-/120746644716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1d0f94ec
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> It works OK at 90W - I intend to dissasemble and check it before applying 350
[11:51] <fsphil> I've run 500 watts through mine, it makes a lot of noise but seems to work :)
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270763451112&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT - completed auction
[11:51] <fsphil> this one is rated at 600 watts though
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[11:51] <fsphil> 95% feedback
[11:51] <fsphil> eek
[11:51] Action: NigeyS not happy!
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Exactly - why I paid 35 not more for it
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[12:10] <SamSilver> dave
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[12:39] <Zuph> Morning, #highaltitude
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[12:44] <cuddykid> morning zuph
[12:44] Action: cuddykid wishing to be back in US
[12:45] <Laurenceb> where are you?
[12:46] <cuddykid> worcester, uk
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[12:46] <cuddykid> just got back from US though
[12:46] <Laurenceb> ah
[12:47] <Laurenceb> enjoy you wall mart and 4 wheel drives/
[12:47] <cuddykid> haha yeah
[12:48] <cuddykid> just had lunch - feel empty after the US size lunches!
[12:55] <Zuph> haha, cuddykid
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[12:57] <Zuph> There's a reason we're all fat :-p
[12:58] <GW8RAK> Afternoon all. Just reading a thread elsewhere about HAB'ing and datamodes. For UHF downlinks is there any advantage to using a different datamode to the current RTTY based one?
[12:59] <GW8RAK> Since the data is sent continuously, is error detection or FEC of any use?
[12:59] <GW8RAK> After all, if we get one bad string, we get another sent a few seconds later.
[13:00] <Laurenceb> ive used mfsk64
[13:00] <Laurenceb> which has FEC
[13:00] <Laurenceb> it worked nicely
[13:01] <GW8RAK> Not saying that a different mode won't work, just is it necessary to use anything different?
[13:01] <GW8RAK> We are perhaps lucky in the UK with limited land to cover and lots of listeners
[13:03] <Zuph> GW8RAK: Or maybe unlucky, since in the US you can just slap APRS on it :-p
[13:03] <GW8RAK> That is the alternative way of looking at it Zuph.
[13:04] <fsphil> does allow more scope for experimenting
[13:04] <GW8RAK> However it occurred to me yesterday that we can still use APRS, just not with amateur output powers and frequencies.
[13:04] <fsphil> not being limited to a single mode
[13:04] <GW8RAK> I can see the technical side of the experiment
[13:04] <Zuph> Yeah, seems like an arbitrary restriction for you guys. Other European countries as strict?
[13:05] <fsphil> afaik the UK is the only country with that restriction
[13:05] <GW8RAK> IIRC, many other European countries allow amateurs to fly transmitters
[13:07] <NigeyS> who put that rule in place, RSGB or OFCOM ?
[13:07] <fsphil> and unfornatually ofcom is the sort of group that will never change it, even if a good reason is put forward
[13:08] <fsphil> ofcom handle all the radio stuffs
[13:08] <GW8RAK> Ofcom will do anything, if the money on offer is enough
[13:08] <fsphil> ah yes, the money
[13:08] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: So much to implement for #HABE2 - additional radios, SD logging, Solar cells, keychain cam, fireworks in space& #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/96205353406038016]
[13:08] <NigeyS> bah ofcom ! they have a "aint broke dont fix it attitude" so itll never get reviewed or changed
[13:09] <fsphil> more like "we know it's broke, but will pretend it's not and your silly for complaining :p"
[13:09] <NigeyS> haha something like that
[13:09] <cuddykid> lol
[13:10] <NigeyS> btw i saw some radiosondes yesterday for like £10 .. worth getting to play with? they seem to xmit on 403mhz though :|
[13:10] <fsphil> I get the impression that they don't like amateur radio, only dealing with it because they have to
[13:10] <NigeyS> well im sure they wouldnt like the alternative .. lots of "pirates" :/
[13:11] <GW8RAK> I'm surprise the RSGB have not been lobbying for at least one spot radio frequency. More breadth to radio means more interest, means more members for the RSGB and more book sales.
[13:11] <GW8RAK> I'll try to speak to an RSGB rep I know. See what he says.
[13:13] <fsphil> a bit like the satellites then, have a certain range for them
[13:13] <GW8RAK> I'm sure it could be controlled quite easily, almost like the NOTAM situation. However, the RSGB would have to cover the costs of such admin with a charge.
[13:14] <fsphil> weight limits on a payload will mean power is limited too, so they've nothing to worry about there
[13:14] <GW8RAK> And perhaps if they had enough airborne members, they could make money out of selling insurance for £50 a year:)
[13:14] <GW8RAK> Or am I being too optimistic?
[13:15] <fsphil> yes
[13:15] <fsphil> lol
[13:15] <fsphil> but definitely worth a try
[13:16] <fsphil> they won't think to do it by themselves
[13:19] <GW8RAK> From a friend in the RSGB, quote " I have asked q's and never had answers...that's why I'm giving up (ceasing membership)"
[13:20] <GW8RAK> " have phoned....all I get is sarcasm"
[13:20] <fsphil> not a good sign
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[13:22] <Laurenceb> RSGB?
[13:22] <GW8RAK> Radio Society of Great Britain
[13:23] <GW8RAK> Well if I'm to get the house painted, I'd better get around to it. Lovely weather, but rather hot here today. Most unlike Wales.
[13:23] <GW8RAK> ttfn
[13:23] <fsphil> hot here, but rain forecast in the next hour :(
[13:25] <Zuph> Heat Index of 40 today.
[13:26] <NigeyS> anyone know if the disposable canisters of helium are the same mix as the normal stuff? :|
[13:27] <Zuph> Usually not.
[13:27] <RocketBoy> I went through quite a lot with the RSGB and Ofcom a few years back - before HABing got started over here - this included meetings with them and Rig testing with Ofcom at there centre in south london
[13:27] <NigeyS> meh ffs
[13:27] <Zuph> They're usually "balloon gas", a mix of helium and air so five year olds don't suffocate making their voices sound funny.
[13:27] <NigeyS> this photoid lark is starting to get annoying
[13:29] <RocketBoy> the main issue with Ofcom seemed to be a worry that equipment would somehow fail in cold conditions and cause interference
[13:30] <RocketBoy> this wasn't made any better by the testing - which showed up all sorts of spurious emissions once they got down to -20C or so
[13:30] <fsphil> ah, at least there's a reason for it
[13:30] <RocketBoy> we tested about 5 different 2m rigs
[13:32] <RocketBoy> quite a few of them had problems because of PLL lock problems due to cold
[13:32] <fsphil> wonder why they allow the license free modules to be used in the air -- the limited power levels?
[13:32] <RocketBoy> still it was an interesting day out
[13:33] <RocketBoy> yes - I guess they are probably not worried about 10mw
[13:33] <RocketBoy> whereever it is
[13:33] <fsphil> 10mw on the 2m band would still be useful
[13:34] <RocketBoy> actually it was one of them that suggested LE modules
[13:35] <RocketBoy> yes - I guess that is somthing that the RSGB could push for
[13:35] <fsphil> or 10mw on one of the HF bands
[13:35] <NigeyS> 10mw on 20m would be cool
[13:36] <RocketBoy> humm - long trailing antennas are not a favourite of mine for saftey reasons
[13:37] <RocketBoy> It need to be a primary use band
[13:37] <NigeyS> true, hadnt thought of that
[13:38] <RocketBoy> getting stuck on a power line - shudder
[13:39] <NigeyS> yeah, not good, hope my foil balloons stay away from those lines to !
[13:42] <RocketBoy> yeah - but I think the worst that can happen with those is a flash and burst
[13:42] <NigeyS> true, assuming they ever get in the air!
[13:43] <RocketBoy> yeah - current plans?
[13:44] <NigeyS> well i was all set for saturday but boc dont sell the gas to people without photo id .. and as i dont drive, or have a valid passport, thats kinda left me in the sh*t
[13:46] <RocketBoy> oh right I wonder why - was that BOC?
[13:46] <NigeyS> yups, must be a safety thing
[13:47] <NigeyS> i can get disposable canisters from them, but not the proper stuff
[13:47] <NigeyS> but as Zuph said, think the disposables are a wek mix of he and o2
[13:47] <NigeyS> weak*
[13:47] <RocketBoy> try air products - they do a lightweight clyender with built in regulator
[13:48] <RocketBoy> or try to get it through a party shop
[13:48] <NigeyS> ill look that up now, might give boc another call and see what the mix is on their disposables first, theyre only around the corner, air products are 15miles away hehe
[13:49] <Laurenceb> thats not bad
[13:49] <Laurenceb> when i looked i could hardly find a single air productsa
[13:49] <RocketBoy> disposables are sooooo expensive - about 5x the price per cubic meter
[13:49] <RocketBoy> but if your not using much
[13:49] <RocketBoy> might be ok
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> I've pondered using natural gas.
[13:50] <NigeyS> well ive got 7 balloons, so 0.125m^3 per balloon
[13:50] <NigeyS> the v cylinder was ideal, at 1.81m^3
[13:51] <number10> are you sending up several smaller ballons tied NigeyS
[13:51] <NigeyS> 4 x 36" balloons yup
[13:52] <number10> what ones are you using and how much is payload NigeyS?
[13:52] <NigeyS> qualatex foil balloons, payload is 86grams
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[13:53] <number10> have you got any data online about your project NigeyS
[13:54] <NigeyS> not really, i need to get round to putting it online at somepoint, you can look at the picoatlas data on the ukhas wiki, similar project
[13:54] <number10> thanks I'll take a look
[13:54] <NigeyS> np :)
[13:55] <RocketBoy> BBL
[14:12] <fsphil> brrr,, and suddenly there's a cold wind outside
[14:12] <BrainDamage> outside? true irc users barely remember that word meaning :p
[14:15] <fsphil> wireless temperature and wind sensor duh ;-p
[14:21] <LazyLeopard> It's _all_ on-line ;)
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[14:29] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... nearest rain on the radar's out over the Channel. Ireland has a belt moving west-t-east across it, though. I suspect you're going to get rain fairly soon, fsphil...
[14:29] <fsphil> yea I've been watching that
[14:29] <fsphil> about 30 minutes away I think
[14:29] <fsphil> the cloud has already arrived
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[14:36] <NigeyS> oo just off the phone to air products
[14:36] <NigeyS> there is currently a helium shortage
[14:36] <NigeyS> lol
[14:37] <NigeyS> so no new accounts
[14:38] <Laurenceb> http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/2010/09/helium.html
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[14:44] <Elwell> NigeyS: wasn't us :-)
[14:45] <NigeyS> lol
[14:45] <NigeyS> was just reading somewhere they think we'll run out of it by 2015 :|
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[14:51] <GW8RAK> Wow, it's hot outside this afternoon. Not a cloud in the sky and no wind either.
[14:51] <GW8RAK> Come in to cool down.
[14:52] <W0OTM> grrrrr, how do I get me OpenTracker to user F instead of celsius
[14:53] <griffonbot> @apexhab: PCB for #Apex Alpha has been sent to off for fabrication! #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/96231807732813824]
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[15:04] <fsphil> raining here now GW8RAK, heading your way too
[15:04] <NigeyS> rain? :o
[15:04] <NigeyS> was about to mow the lawn :|
[15:04] <GW8RAK> Not until the paint is dry I hope and the lawn cut.
[15:04] <cuddykid> anyone know a decent tutorial for interfacing arduino with SD card?
[15:04] <fsphil> pretty heavy shower
[15:07] <eroomde> W0OTM: yuck!
[15:07] <GW8RAK> Following a thread on the Picaxe forum about a HAB project in the US. There's one guy in Australia mad keen on any data mode except RTTY and any TX module but an NTX2.
[15:08] <GW8RAK> I don't think he wants to believe what people are telling him.
[15:08] <eroomde> that's probably why he's using picaxe too
[15:08] <GW8RAK> Unsubtle dig there. Pistols at dawn.
[15:08] <eroomde> :p
[15:09] <fsphil> haha
[15:09] <fsphil> rtty is incredibly simple, probably why it's popular
[15:09] <fsphil> I would also say it's pretty reliable
[15:09] <GW8RAK> The Australian keeps going on about Hell, but fails to recognise that it's not machine readable.
[15:10] <fsphil> indeed
[15:10] <fsphil> also FSK Hell is better than regular hell
[15:10] <GW8RAK> Oh well, each to his own.
[15:10] <SamSilver> I am a olivia mfsk convert myself
[15:10] <SamSilver> thanx to fsphil and co
[15:10] <fsphil> olivia is nice but needs better hardware than the ntx2
[15:11] <fsphil> but if he's not using the ntx2...
[15:11] <GW8RAK> Does anyone know is there are any plans/wishes/dreams for dl-fldigi to rx other modes and interface to the tracker?
[15:11] <fsphil> ideally he'd want some kind of SSB transmitter
[15:12] <fsphil> dl-fldigi will work with any data mode
[15:12] <fsphil> the way it monitors the text, it doesn't matter what modem is used
[15:12] <GW8RAK> Yes, but will it pass a valid string to the tracker in all modes?
[15:12] <fsphil> yea
[15:12] <fsphil> DominoEX has been used in the states
[15:13] <fsphil> as long as the mode can do the $ and * symbols
[15:13] <fsphil> and a comma
[15:15] <Randomskk> and in some cases it's been hacked to work anyway, like whoever wanted to use baudot for some reason
[15:15] <fsphil> ah yes, Tim
[15:16] <GW8RAK> Seen this? http://www.ringolake.com/pic_proj/t_trak/data_trak.html
[15:18] <fsphil> cute
[15:18] <fsphil> he could use APRS in australia if he's just after simplicity
[15:22] <fsphil> although if he's building from scratch, nothing is simpler than an a microcontroller + ntx2
[15:22] <fsphil> just means an expensive radio on the ground
[15:23] <cuddykid> when interfacing SD card with arduino, is it only the VCC pin that needs to be 3.3V or do the MOSI & MISO etc need to be 3.3V?
[15:23] <Randomskk> all 3v3
[15:24] <LazyLeopard> GW8RAK: Who was it complaining about hams' web-design-(lack-of)-sense? ;)
[15:24] <cuddykid> cheers
[15:24] <Randomskk> well, bear in mind the MISO is only an input to the arduino, which can read 3v3 just fine
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[15:24] <Randomskk> it's only lines going /to/ the SD card that need conversion from 5V to 3v3
[15:24] <cuddykid> Randomskk: thanks, a few 3.3V regs should do the job then?
[15:24] <Randomskk> uhm
[15:25] <Randomskk> regulators are not really designed for that
[15:25] <Randomskk> I would just use a potential divider
[15:25] <Randomskk> two resistors
[15:25] <GW8RAK> LazyLeopard, I think it was fsphil.
[15:25] <Laurenceb> lol
[15:26] <NigeyS> who's got an android phone ?
[15:26] <cuddykid> Randomskk, ahh, that will be cheaper! :P
[15:26] <Randomskk> NigeyS: yea.
[15:26] <GW8RAK> Found one the other day LazyLeopard, www.dalikfodda.com
[15:27] <NigeyS> Randomskk, have a look in the market for Electrodroid
[15:27] <NigeyS> awsome app for electronics
[15:27] <Randomskk> cool, will check it out
[15:28] <NigeyS> got tons of useful calculators etc
[15:28] <LazyLeopard> GW8RAK: Grief!
[15:28] <GW8RAK> Not the sort of thing you want coming on at work by accident
[15:29] <Laurenceb> nsfw?
[15:29] <GW8RAK> Safe, but not advisable - loud music, in case you are at work
[15:29] <LazyLeopard> ...and black. Lots of black.
[15:30] <GW8RAK> Not as NSFW as the famout B3ta one.
[15:30] <GW8RAK> famous
[15:31] <Laurenceb> w.t.f
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[15:48] <Darkside> GUYS
[15:48] <Darkside> i have access to a GPS somulator
[15:48] <Darkside> simulator*
[15:48] <Darkside> :D
[15:48] <Darkside> it can simulate signals from 12 GPS sats
[15:48] <NigeyS> ooo
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[15:49] <fsphil> !!
[15:50] <Darkside> ohhhhhh yeah
[15:51] <Darkside> we're gonna use it to simulate our receiver being in space :D
[15:51] <Darkside> and i'll hook up a ublox to it while i'm at it
[15:51] <Darkside> just for funsies
[15:53] <Darkside> :D:D:D:D
[15:54] <Zuph> Darkside: What's the sticker price on that bad boy?
[16:02] <eroomde> Darkside: what kind of dynamics can you generate?
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[16:16] <Laurenceb> Darkside: try launching a ublox5 on a rocket
[16:16] <Laurenceb> -rockoon
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[16:21] <Darkside> Zuph: 40000 pounds
[16:22] <Darkside> eroomde: it can do 10000M/s velocity
[16:22] <NigeyS> 40k :|
[16:23] <fsphil> will it fit in a non-suspicious black bag?
[16:23] <NigeyS> lol
[16:23] <fsphil> just fired up the hadie3 board, it's got some pretty bad frequency jitters
[16:23] <cuddykid> hmm does it matter much what the total resistance of pot divider is for producing 3.3V for SD card? - was going to go with ~5Kohms
[16:23] <NigeyS> fsphil, gremlins!
[16:23] <Darkside> fsphil: its a large black bag
[16:23] <Darkside> very large
[16:24] <Darkside> its basically a PC with an RF frontend attached
[16:24] <fsphil> ah, mostly software then?
[16:24] <Darkside> yup
[16:24] <fsphil> wonder if you could do it with a usrp
[16:24] <Zuph> Wow, neat
[16:24] <Darkside> http://www.castnav.com/cast_pdf/cast_1000.pdf
[16:25] <Darkside> the one we have is a bit difference to that
[16:26] <russss> I'm sure you could do it with a USRP
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[16:30] <Darkside> woul dbe interesting to try
[16:31] <fsphil> hmm.. the jitter has gone
[16:33] <fsphil> looks like the board might have gotten some damage after all
[16:33] <fsphil> back again
[16:34] <NigeyS> eek
[16:34] <russss> if anyone wants to fiddle with a USRP, mine lives at London Hackspace so you could borrow it during the UKHAS conference :)
[16:35] <fsphil> simple way to test it -- fly a usrp and record the gps signals :)
[16:35] <fsphil> the play them back to a nearby receiver
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[16:35] <fsphil> though not sure anyone would want to fly their usrp on a balloon :)
[16:35] <NigeyS> Zuph, loving the pink car! :p
[16:36] <Darkside> im not sure what bandwidth GPS is
[16:36] <Darkside> a few MHZ i thought
[16:37] <Darkside> CA code is 1Hz?
[16:37] <Darkside> 1MHz*
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[16:37] <Laurenceb> yes
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[16:40] <fsphil> GPS module is causing all the jitter, must be messing with the voltage rail
[16:41] <fsphil> removed it and the signal is all nice and clean
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[16:42] <NigeyS> i got funky effects from the gps's led if you remember, destroyed it and it's much better lol
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[16:42] <fsphil> I suspect the rain water has done something to this one
[16:42] <fsphil> I've got another one, will wire it up and see if that helps
[16:42] <NigeyS> ahh yeah its been slightly wetted
[16:42] <fsphil> working fine though
[16:43] <fsphil> got a lock within 20 seconds
[16:43] <NigeyS> wonder if picochu will work for long after it lands in the river severn..lol
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[16:45] <fsphil> the other kind of floating
[16:46] <NigeyS> lol yup, Darkside suggested some foam .. would give it a fighting chance to see if recovery is possible :D
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Place payload inside balloon.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> At 30Km, vent 90% of the helium.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Shut valve.
[16:48] <NigeyS> haha thats a plan ! but i dont think these foild will even hit 5km let alone 30km
[16:48] <NigeyS> foils*
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[16:55] <GW8RAK> NigeyS, did you measure temperature on your last foil balloon?
[16:55] <GW8RAK> How low did it get?
[16:55] <NigeyS> this is my first foil launch, but i thinkjames did on picoatlas
[16:55] <GW8RAK> sorry.
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[16:57] <NigeyS> hm doesnt look like he recorded temps
[16:57] <NigeyS> they only went to 2km and 7km .. so temps were prolly not that low
[16:58] <priyesh> what would you say is the best way to parse a nmea string with C?
[16:58] <DanielRichman> on the pc or on an avr/pic?
[17:00] <priyesh> avr
[17:03] <SamSilver> bbl
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[17:03] <DanielRichman> you could just use sscanf()
[17:05] <priyesh> :D - that's what i was planning on using
[17:05] <DanielRichman> https://gist.github.com/440561 this is what they did on Ferret so it probably works
[17:05] <DanielRichman> what I did on alien, I would not recommend. It was a terrible idea
[17:06] <DanielRichman> ferret is just splitting by commas and parsing each field.
[17:06] <DanielRichman> seems easy
[17:06] <DanielRichman> I've never tried scanf on avr. It should be fast enough tbh
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[17:08] <priyesh> DanielRichman: thanks
[17:13] <fsphil> I used sscanf on hadie1, and same as ferret after that
[17:14] <fsphil> sscanf() won't read floats unless you fiddle with the linker arguments
[17:15] <fsphil> (on the avr)
[17:15] <Zuph> Yeah. Ram usage goes up heavily, as well.
[17:19] <priyesh> so is it sscanf which uses ram lots?
[17:19] <priyesh> which method would you use?
[17:19] <DanielRichman> you don't have to use floats
[17:19] <DanielRichman> just read integers
[17:20] <DanielRichman> or, strings even, if you want
[17:24] <priyesh> so sscanf's ram usage goes up lots with floats.. strings are okay?
[17:25] <DanielRichman> IDK. Hard to say. You probably won't get near to the 16K anyway
[17:25] <priyesh> ok
[17:25] <priyesh> thanks.. i'll try that now
[17:26] <DanielRichman> Well. It should be quick and easy because you targeting a specific gps and don't have to care about subtle variations
[17:26] <DanielRichman> oh, another option is TinyGPS if you're using the arduino
[17:26] <DanielRichman> and C++
[17:27] <DanielRichman> alien1 used 6k out of 16k. We didn't use any scanf/printf or floats though.
[17:27] <DanielRichman> divmod() all the way.
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[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> good evening
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[17:49] <cuddykid> woo, managed to get SD card interfaced so so with arduino while jet lagged lol
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi cuddykid
[17:50] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:50] <cuddykid> bbl
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[17:52] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: SD card interfaced & coded with arduino while jet lagged - 1st steps towards #HABE2 !! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/96276900728668161]
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.smh.com.au/world/mysterious-ufo-made-of-polystyrene-20110727-1hzzn.html
[17:55] <jkominar> Hey all - threw a video together of my group's first HAB flight HAVEN-1 this past weekend. Check it out if you're interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaoSaJz_w4
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[18:31] <Darkside> evening all
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside
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[19:09] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Your heart hasn't exploded yet!
[19:09] <Darkside> it can do that?
[19:09] <Darkside> hey Zuph, could his heart explode, and then explode again?
[19:09] <Darkside> >_>
[19:10] <Dan-K2VOL> hey zuph
[19:10] <Dan-K2VOL> what?!
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> hey Dan-K2VOL Zuph
[19:12] <Dan-K2VOL> hey kevin
[19:12] <Dan-K2VOL> darkside, what are you two scheming now :-P
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> Dan I am surprised how stupid people can be
[19:13] <Dan-K2VOL> what's up
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> I just read about a guy, about 50 years old
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> who met a woman called Jekatarina in a chatroom
[19:14] <Darkside> sorry Dan-K2VOL, i was quoting MLP
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> and she asked him to send her money via WesternUnion, not to her but to her mother, and she said that her mother married someone else, thus the different surname
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> and he actually did that
[19:14] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> so stupid
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[19:17] <Zuph> Darkside: I suppose it could.
[19:18] <Darkside> Zuph: you don't get the reference i guess :P
[19:18] <Darkside> oh well
[19:18] <Zuph> bah
[19:18] <Zuph> Nothing worse than a missed reference
[19:20] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpP4NGyINB0&feature=player_detailpage#t=105s
[19:21] <Darkside> "Can you do that? Can you explode twice?"
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[19:21] <Darkside> :D
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[19:33] <rjharrison> evening all
[19:33] <NigeyS> evening Rob
[19:33] <rjharrison> Have sorted out the payloads for this w/e
[19:33] <rjharrison> call signs cat and canary
[19:34] <Darkside> you're launching this weekend too?
[19:34] <NigeyS> excellent!
[19:34] <rjharrison> 2 payloads
[19:34] <rjharrison> sat @ 9 subject to wx behaving
[19:34] <Darkside> man
[19:34] <rjharrison> 075 & 650
[19:34] <NigeyS> gonna be a busy weekend lol
[19:34] <Darkside> yeah
[19:34] <rjharrison> will need some trackers
[19:34] <Darkside> rjharrison: wheres your launch site?
[19:34] <rjharrison> NigeyS you up sunday
[19:34] <rjharrison> ears
[19:35] <NigeyS> sundays looking more promising than saturday
[19:35] <rjharrison> NigeyS cool
[19:35] <Darkside> NigeyS: just cross the estuary then all will be fine :P
[19:35] <NigeyS> unless i goto Bath and launch from where Darkside is :p
[19:36] <Darkside> :D
[19:36] <Darkside> launch from the uni lol
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi rjharrison
[19:36] <Darkside> hell, you could have the balloons inflated in the back of your car :P
[19:36] <NigeyS> haha so true!
[19:36] <Darkside> then just stop somewhere and chuck it out the car
[19:37] <NigeyS> lol thatd be pretty neat
[19:37] <Darkside> still can't seem to find AA lithiums around here
[19:37] <NigeyS> :o
[19:37] <Darkside> NigeyS: i'd be inclined to not use a lipo on your payload
[19:37] <Darkside> use 3x AA lithium primaries
[19:37] <Darkside> at 5km altitude it'll get pretty cold
[19:37] <Darkside> more than cold enough to freeze a lipo, and then you won't be getting the payload back
[19:38] <NigeyS> i know, but 3 x aa's are going to really up the weight of the thing
[19:38] <Darkside> the lithiums are reasonably light
[19:39] <Darkside> hell, you could use 3x AAAs..
[19:39] <rjharrison> supermarkets are good
[19:39] <Darkside> leme find the spec sheet for them
[19:39] <NigeyS> tnx Darkside
[19:39] <NigeyS> if there's a maplins in bath i think they sell them ...
[19:39] <RocketBoy> 3 x AAA are about 25g + holder
[19:39] <Darkside> ooh maplins, yeahi think there is one
[19:40] <Darkside> and AAA's will get you around 1Ah
[19:40] <Darkside> NigeyS: whats the rating of your current battery?
[19:40] <NigeyS> 4.17v 1000mah
[19:40] <NigeyS> payloads draw a constant 66ma
[19:40] <Darkside> well there ya go :P
[19:40] <Darkside> 3x AAA's
[19:40] <Darkside> same capacity, slightly more weight
[19:41] <Darkside> 7.6g each, so 22.8g, then you need to factor in a battery holder
[19:41] <NigeyS> will check tomoz what holders i have
[19:41] <Darkside> *could* solder to the batteries...
[19:41] <Darkside> buttttttttttt
[19:41] <NigeyS> think i only have 3xaa not 3xaaa
[19:41] <Darkside> soldering to lithium cells makes me cringe
[19:41] <NigeyS> lol think ill pass that idea!
[19:42] <Darkside> :P
[19:42] <Darkside> i'd be up for it
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[19:42] <RocketBoy> its worked for me
[19:42] <Darkside> if you feel the battery getting hot, run like hell
[19:42] <NigeyS> :o
[19:42] <NigeyS> lol
[19:42] <Darkside> i've accidentally shorted lithium ions
[19:42] <NigeyS> im scared enough of the dam lipos, theyre barmy!
[19:42] <Darkside> as soon as i felt it warm up, i grabbed it and ran like the wind out of the house
[19:42] <Darkside> and put it under a brick, then left it
[19:43] <Darkside> it ended up burning out the short
[19:44] <Darkside> man, i have "Mars, the bringer of war' stuck in my head
[19:44] <Darkside> such an awesome track
[19:44] <Upu> evening
[19:48] <NigeyS> lol Darkside .. crazy guy !!
[19:49] <Darkside> well it was pretty freaky
[19:49] <Darkside> i've seen what they can do when they go off
[19:50] <Darkside> i did NOT want that happening on my workshop table
[19:51] <NigeyS> hehe noo, def not, apparently they go bang if pierced aswell
[19:59] <Darkside> time to get stuff stuck in other peopels heads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I
[19:59] <Darkside> the beat is stuck in my head atm
[19:59] <Darkside> dumdumdumdum dum dumdumdum
[19:59] <NigeyS> lol tnx!
[19:59] <Darkside> i'm tapping it out on the desk incessantly
[19:59] <Darkside> its like the druns the master hears
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[20:02] <NigeyS> lol
[20:02] <NigeyS> wb dan
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[20:07] <Dan-K2VOL> busy busy nigey
[20:08] <NigeyS> hey hey, busy is good, saves getting bored hehe
[20:14] <hibby> New toy :)\
[20:14] <Darkside> oh man
[20:14] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[20:14] <Darkside> someone transcribed "The PLanets" for organ
[20:14] <Darkside> AWESOME
[20:14] <Darkside> i would kill to hear "Mars, the bringer of war" played on the klais organ
[20:14] <hibby> hahah
[20:14] <hibby> amazing
[20:15] <Darkside> oh man
[20:16] <Darkside> i've found a copy of mars played on organ
[20:16] <Darkside> it doesn't have the iconic beat to it
[20:16] <Darkside> but its still cool
[20:17] <Darkside> i do like me some nice pipe organ music
[20:19] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/01%20-%20Mars%20The%20Bringer%20of%20War.flac
[20:19] <Darkside> there it is
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[20:31] <rjharrison_> ooh looks like i'm on upstairs as well as from the sauna
[20:31] <rjharrison_> RocketBoy, you out there
[20:31] <Upu> evening Rob
[20:31] <rjharrison_> I think I have copy of your predict code somewhere
[20:31] <rjharrison_> Hey Upu
[20:31] <rjharrison_> Hows it ogin
[20:31] <Upu> very well busy day, how did payload build go ?
[20:34] <RocketBoy> rjharrison_: yep
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[20:34] <Darkside> rjharrison_: where is your launch site?
[20:34] <natrium42> hi all
[20:34] <natrium42> geeks & nerds
[20:35] <jkominar> evenin' natrium
[20:35] <Upu> Darkside EARS I believe
[20:35] <Darkside> wheres that?
[20:35] <natrium42> yo justin
[20:36] <natrium42> keen on another launch?
[20:36] <jkominar> yeah, totally!
[20:36] <natrium42> got the bug :D
[20:36] <natrium42> haven-1 worked very well
[20:36] <jkominar> but I have to back-burner the hobbies for a bit and spend a bit more time with the family before that'll fly with the wife ;-)
[20:36] <Upu> nice video btw jkominar
[20:36] <natrium42> hehe
[20:37] <natrium42> oh, there is a video?
[20:37] <jkominar> yeah .. sec
[20:37] <jkominar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaoSaJz_w4
[20:37] Action: natrium42 watches
[20:37] <jkominar> threw it together last night
[20:38] <jkominar> only problem is I screwed up a time in there.. it says it burst at approx 11:47pm, but that wasn't meant to be a.m. I had copied and pasted the UTC time from the APRS logs, but then when I converted it to EST, I forgot that it also shifted the am/pm :(
[20:39] <natrium42> ah, no worries
[20:39] <natrium42> did you send it to don, btw?
[20:39] <jkominar> I'll re-author it tonight to correct.
[20:39] <jkominar> No, I still have to get in touch with Don and with the guy that called and left us the message when he found it.
[20:39] <Darkside> natrium42: where do you launch from?
[20:39] <natrium42> spaceport lucknow, ontario
[20:39] <jkominar> I was hoping to do that tonight ...
[20:40] <natrium42> kk
[20:40] <Darkside> natrium42: i thought you were in teh UK? >_>
[20:40] <natrium42> oh, are there any photos from the ground ops?
[20:40] <jkominar> does a commonwealth country count? :)
[20:40] <natrium42> my gf was asking
[20:40] <Darkside> jkominar: well i'm from australia
[20:40] <Darkside> i'm in the UK atm though
[20:41] <natrium42> Darkside: canadia, sorry to disappoint :D
[20:41] <jkominar> there were plenty of people with nice looking dslr's hanging around, but no one's sent me and still shots yet, so all I have is my video and the payload pics.
[20:41] <Darkside> its looking like i'll be here for a few month of the year for the nexg few years
[20:41] <natrium42> Darkside: studying or working there?
[20:41] <Darkside> INVERT (ionpsheric tomography group) is looking at putting up a constellation of cubesats for ionospheric TEC measurements
[20:42] <natrium42> also, did you meet any of the ukhas guys?
[20:42] <Darkside> natrium42: researchwork
[20:42] <natrium42> cool
[20:42] <Darkside> no, i haven't
[20:42] <Darkside> i'm currently workign on TOPCAT, a cubesat-based TEC measurement payload
[20:42] <natrium42> i met edmoore, Randomskk and jcoxon when i was there
[20:42] <natrium42> great guys
[20:42] <Darkside> i hope to meet some of them
[20:42] <Darkside> i won't be here for the UKHAS conference sadlt
[20:43] <natrium42> ed and adam showed me cambridge university
[20:43] <Darkside> that happens the week after i leave :(
[20:43] <Darkside> i should head up to cambridge to say hi to the CUSF group though
[20:43] <natrium42> yeah
[20:44] <Darkside> its a long way tho
[20:44] <natrium42> jkominar: the accelerated car video is neat!
[20:44] <jkominar> I had like 10x more footage, but it got boring watching it even at 2600% speed ;-)
[20:44] <natrium42> :D
[20:45] <jkominar> Plus, Tristan dropped the camera a couple of times :p
[20:45] <natrium42> does it work still?
[20:45] <natrium42> oh, did you calculate impact speed?
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[20:45] <jkominar> yeah, the camera's fine.
[20:46] <jkominar> haven't done a lot of calculations yet
[20:46] <jkominar> I'm slowly (as time permits) trying to fill out the http://haven-1.elven.ca website with more and more details
[20:47] <jkominar> I want to do the altitude vs. time, temp vs. time, etc. plots ... provide a lot more technical details of all the bits and bobs we used, the CHDK camera script (although it's braindead simple and likely not of much value to anyone), cost breakdown,e tc.
[20:47] <jkominar> Basically get enough info up there to help anyone else that might stumble across our project to get all the info they need to do their own launch.
[20:48] <jkominar> Most people were immediately interested in the media we generated, so I focused on getting that done first... next, I'll get more techie crap up there.
[20:49] <jkominar> I *really* regret not having the presence of mind at the time of getting a couple group photos though :(
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[20:50] <jkominar> Unlikely that specific group of people shall ever be together again ...
[20:50] <Darkside> mmm, i'm not looking forward to the day i have to leave the UK :(
[20:50] <Darkside> the research group here is great
[20:51] <Darkside> we don't have anything like it in australia...
[20:51] <jkominar> what are you researching?
[20:51] <Darkside> there is no ionospheric research group at my uni, just me
[20:51] <natrium42> jkominar: there's always photoshop!
[20:51] <Darkside> jkominar: well i'm working on using DRM statios for collecting ionospheric path TEC data
[20:51] <Darkside> well, thate the overall aim of my PhD
[20:51] <Darkside> but at the moment i'm working on a cubesat
[20:51] <natrium42> jkominar: are you on google+, btw?
[20:52] <jkominar> I've got a bunch of invites, but my @elven.ca domain is a managed "google for organizations" domain, so the address I want to use for my G+ account is bound by it, and they haven't released support for G+ for those kinds of accounts yet, so I *could* be if I used a different account, but I am not ...
[20:53] <jkominar> I've opted to wait for support, rather than fork my online identities any further.
[20:54] <natrium42> haha, ouch
[20:54] <natrium42> fair enough
[20:55] <jkominar> I'm sure we'll hook up once I eventually get on though.
[20:55] <natrium42> it's pretty neat
[20:55] <natrium42> separate circles idea is great
[20:56] <NigeyS> natrium42!
[20:56] <natrium42> nigey!
[20:56] <NigeyS> i need to borrow you :p
[20:56] <natrium42> orly?
[20:57] <NigeyS> ya! 50p .. lol
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[22:34] <fsphil> any launches this weekend?
[22:34] <fsphil> I think I remember rob saying he was doing one
[22:34] <natrium42> NigeyS is doing one
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil natrium42
[22:35] <NigeyS> robs got 2 going up
[22:35] <fsphil> g'day LL
[22:35] <natrium42> moin Lunar_Lander
[22:35] <natrium42> and wazza, fsphil
[22:35] <NigeyS> hehe
[22:35] <fsphil> hullo sir.42
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> what about rotating the UKHAS conference?
[22:37] <fsphil> wouldn't that make everyone dizzy?
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> so that in 2012 we can do one in like Germany and 2013 in Minnesota
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:37] <Randomskk> you may be missing the meaning of two essential letters in UKHAS :P
[22:37] <fsphil> lol
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:38] <natrium42> the Canadian conference will have the best abbreviation
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but we get more and more people from outside of the UK
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> like mine
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> me
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> or natrium
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> or the new members from Russia
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> or Tim from Holland
[22:38] <fsphil> I'd love it, just for an excuse to visit germany
[22:38] <natrium42> CANHAS
[22:38] <Randomskk> haha excellent
[22:38] <fsphil> lol
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:38] <Randomskk> EUHAS? really we just want HAS
[22:38] <Randomskk> but that's probably taken as a domain name and acronym
[22:38] <fsphil> or an irish version .. IHAS
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[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> I suggested EUROBALLOON or EUROASCENT
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> I forgot mixio from Greece btw
[22:39] <fsphil> yep, still part of the EU so far lol
[22:39] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: how about High Altitude Society Europe (HASE) :P
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD!cool
[22:40] <BrainDamage> take off the europe and have no geographical ties?
[22:40] <fsphil> yea
[22:40] <NigeyS> nono we have australians to so it err .. aushas :|
[22:40] <NigeyS> that almost sounds german :|
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:40] <BrainDamage> or add another s
[22:40] <Randomskk> not really any good acronyms for global
[22:40] <Randomskk> UNHAS >_>
[22:40] <NigeyS> lol!
[22:40] <natrium42> INTHAS
[22:40] <NigeyS> natohas
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> WORLDHAS
[22:40] <Randomskk> nato is hardly global :P
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:41] <NigeyS> kinda...
[22:41] <BrainDamage> nah, it gotta has ass in it
[22:41] <natrium42> juxta in time
[22:41] <Randomskk> why.
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> did you know that there is SEATO also?
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> like NATO
[22:41] <juxta> morning natrium42
[22:41] <natrium42> BrainDamage == Sir. Mix-A-Lot?
[22:41] <NigeyS> well the un can never agree on anything collectively so we're doomed if we go with unhas :p
[22:41] <juxta> why is it so early? I want to go back to bed.
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[22:41] <NigeyS> hey juxta WAKEY WAKEY!!!
[22:41] <fsphil> if it helps, I'm about to go to bed
[22:42] <BrainDamage> natrium42: no
[22:42] <NigeyS> mm sleep..pillow..duvet.. zzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzz
[22:42] <juxta> :'(
[22:42] <fsphil> earth -- it's like a game of tag
[22:42] <NigeyS> lol
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:45] <Darkside> hey juxta
[22:45] <Darkside> its 11:45pm here :P
[22:45] <juxta> morning Darkside
[22:45] <juxta> arrrr
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[22:45] <W0OTM> I'm broadcasting http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23arhab http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23gpsl http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23hamradio live on http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Ustream. Come watch and chat! 5:44 PM http://ustre.am/nKpe
[22:45] <juxta> it was 11:45pm here a while ago.
[22:45] <fsphil> join us juxta
[22:46] <fsphil> dinky little car W0OTM
[22:47] <NigeyS> phil run over and steal that tank of helium for me ;)
[22:47] <W0OTM> we will launch here in about 30 min
[22:47] <NigeyS> you have a herbie!
[22:47] <W0OTM> tracker - http://www.ihabproject.com/Tracker/?vehicle=&mission_id=iHAB-6
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[22:49] <fsphil> nice weather too
[22:49] <NigeyS> we had rain earlier :/
[22:50] <fsphil> snap
[22:50] <fsphil> the plants needed it though
[22:50] <NigeyS> so did my lawn
[22:50] <fsphil> it's been a really nice week so far so I'm not complaining
[22:50] <NigeyS> makes a change, sun in summer, who'd have thought it
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[23:04] <NigeyS> !tstat
[23:04] <HAMBotty> NigeyS: 712 words, 3585 letters, 2 smilies, time wasted: 11 hours 13 minutes .
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[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> !stat
[23:05] <HAMBotty> Lunar_Lander: 20415 words, 110389 letters, 193 smilies, time wasted: 1 week 6 days 54 minutes .
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[23:05] <NigeyS> :o
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[23:13] <fsphil> !ham sandwich
[23:13] <fsphil> aww
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[23:13] <natrium42> not ham sandwich?
[23:13] <natrium42> i don't get it
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:17] Action: natrium42 watches W0OTM stream
[23:17] <W0OTM> natrium42: hiu
[23:17] <W0OTM> hi
[23:17] <natrium42> :)
[23:17] <natrium42> hi, looking forward to the launch!
[23:18] <natrium42> could you send me your aprs script please when you have time?
[23:18] <natrium42> nice video quality, what webcam are you using?
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yours
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:19] <natrium42> O_O
[23:20] <W0OTM> using an iphone
[23:20] <natrium42> ah, wow
[23:20] <W0OTM> iPhone 4
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[23:21] <W0OTM> my APRS script isn't separate, so there isn't just a script to send you
[23:22] <W0OTM> I was told that the tracker was being replaced and not developed anymore, so I didnt design it as a module.
[23:22] <W0OTM> I have hacked and cut up the org code and replaced it with APRS stuff...
[23:23] <natrium42> ah, well i can integrate it into the current tracker if you send me whatever you have
[23:23] <W0OTM> I would have to send you the entire tracker
[23:23] <natrium42> some other groups have been asking for it
[23:23] <natrium42> that's fine
[23:23] <W0OTM> I have cut out alot of org code
[23:23] <natrium42> where do you get your aprs data from?
[23:24] <natrium42> maybe i could just do it from scratch then
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[23:25] <NigeyS> hey dan
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[23:33] <natrium42> what are the bluee balloons for?
[23:34] <NigeyS> its a party balloon flight
[23:34] <natrium42> i see :P
[23:34] <NigeyS> !bud natrium42
[23:34] <HAMBotty> natrium42 says pop a top again HAMBotty. I think I'll have another round.
[23:35] <NigeyS> :)
[23:36] Action: hibby yawns
[23:36] <natrium42> :O
[23:37] <hibby> being asked idiotic RF questions in another channel by someone who's grasp on english is awful for an american
[23:37] <NigeyS> lol oh dear
[23:37] <natrium42> duka derrr
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[23:39] <hibby> herp a derp situation
[23:40] <fsphil> some people here have shocking english
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[23:45] <hibby> true
[23:45] <hibby> but surely word order is a priority in most language tuition?
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[23:46] <natrium42> world order doesn't matter in russian :P
[23:46] <natrium42> and word order too
[23:47] <natrium42> 99 blue balloons
[23:48] <NigeyS> !singalong
[23:48] <HAMBotty> We have 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer, HAMBotty takes one down....
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[23:50] <natrium42> lol
[23:50] <NigeyS> :p
[23:50] <natrium42> Jag känner en bott, hon heter HAMBotty
[23:51] <natrium42> HAMBotty heter hon Och hon kan banna, banna dig så hårt
[23:51] <NigeyS> umm........
[23:51] <hibby> heheh
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> good nght people!
[23:52] <natrium42> 7, 8, gute nacht, Lunar_Lander
[23:52] <NigeyS> nn Lunar_Lander :D
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:52] <hibby> nn
[23:52] <hibby> 73s
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[23:52] <natrium42> morgen ist ein neuer tag
[23:53] <hibby> I hate ham radio slang on t'internet. and on t'radio, t'be honest.
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[23:55] <NigeyS> have a happy chase W0OTM :D
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