highaltitude.log.20110726

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[02:37] <ruku> HAHA.
[02:37] <ruku> http://i.imgur.com/zjNwn.jpg
[02:41] <SpeedEvil> ?
[02:42] <ruku> the board that's going up in the balloon
[02:45] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[03:58] <hibby> aye
[04:02] <Dan-K2VOL> hey hibby
[04:02] <Dan-K2VOL> workin on gettin your roommates squared away now
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[04:49] <SamSilver> Dan-K2VOL: do you have live video at the mo?
[04:51] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[04:51] <Dan-K2VOL> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
[04:51] <SamSilver> thanx man
[04:51] <Dan-K2VOL> about to start the test
[04:52] <SamSilver> 06h52 here have toast and coffee and a floater in a shed
[04:52] <SamSilver> good times
[04:52] <Dan-K2VOL> nice!
[04:59] <rjharrison> Dan-K2VOLdid you make teh balloon yoursevles
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[05:06] <natrium42> isr balloons make people~
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[05:14] <rjharrison> natrium42 lol
[05:18] <SamSilver> cheating
[05:18] <SamSilver> no hands
[05:20] <rjharrison> Are tehy using some kind of motor on that balloon looked like a servo controller in hand
[05:21] <SamSilver> I don't think so Rob
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[05:22] <rjharrison> Are they just throwing it up and waiting for it to come down
[05:22] <SamSilver> Algorithm test
[05:22] <SamSilver> looks l;ike it lol\
[05:22] <rjharrison> Cool
[05:38] <natrium42> {neat;} // i want to go to maker faire
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[06:38] <SamSilver> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5889641&utm_medium=social
[06:38] <SamSilver> a floater fsphil
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[07:01] <jcoxon> morning
[07:06] <Dan-K2VOL> morning, i'm going to bed
[07:06] <jcoxon> haha
[07:07] <Dan-K2VOL> balloon is up, sealed up as far as it will go, should have about 40 minute up/dn cycle that way
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[09:27] <jcoxon> urgh the joys of moving house - having to disconnect everything
[09:28] <jcoxon> no i don't want to transfer your service
[09:29] <fsphil> eek
[09:32] <fsphil> much stuff to go?
[09:32] <jcoxon> urgh they want to send so,eome to collect the old virgin media box
[09:32] <jcoxon> this is frustrating
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[09:42] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: I am sure that box was well used, tell them there is not much virgin about it anymore!
[09:43] <fsphil> jcoxon, new version of the fsa03 with ubox-6 chip: http://www.falcom.de/products/gps-modules/fsa03-lp/
[09:43] <SamSilver_> tell them you will leave it out-side under a street lamp
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[09:43] <jcoxon> oh wow fsphil
[09:44] <jcoxon> ublox6 has better power saving
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[09:44] <fsphil> yea, they're marketing this as the low power version
[09:44] <Laurenceb> yeah ublox6 owns
[09:45] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[09:45] <Laurenceb> that is awesome
[09:45] <fsphil> they haven't updated the picture so I'm not sure if they've improved the antenna connection
[09:45] <jcoxon> any retailers?
[09:45] <fsphil> looking now
[09:45] <Laurenceb> i just epoxied it
[09:47] <fsphil> I put bubblewrap around mine, survived the flight ok
[09:47] <jcoxon> urgh thats virgin media done
[09:50] <fsphil> nobody seems to sell it yet
[09:50] <fsphil> can't find out the price either
[10:01] <jcoxon> anyone got this http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/gps-micromini-p-515.html
[10:02] <jcoxon> any idea of the weight?
[10:05] <fsphil> dunno but it doesn't look like it would be much heavier than 5 grams
[10:05] <jcoxon> just that for pico flights
[10:05] <jcoxon> realisation how heavy ceramic antennas are
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[11:44] <fsphil> tooo warm
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[13:00] <Zuph> Morniing, #highaltitude
[13:06] <SamSilver> afternoon sir
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[13:16] <fsphil> anyone who's used the gopro on a payload -- did you fly it naked or inside the waterproof enclosure?
[13:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfG7o5TgvjI&feature=relmfu
[13:18] <Laurenceb> what the heck youtube
[13:27] <SamSilver> I paused this http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf to watch that lol!! what the heck!!
[13:27] <NigelMoby> lol
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[13:32] <fsphil> oooook
[13:39] <fsphil> yay, gnome-tweak-tool give me my desktop back again
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[13:49] <Zuph> ping Dan-K2VOL
[13:53] <priyesh> has anyone hooked up an sdcard to an atmega before? what resistor values did you use to pull up CS and in the MISO line?
[13:53] <Dan-K2VOL> hey zuph
[13:54] <Dan-K2VOL> priyesh just google for 'sd card arduino'
[13:54] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: What's up since last night?
[13:55] <priyesh> Dan-K2VOL: have done.. but most focus on converting lines from 5v to 3v3. that's not my issue
[13:58] <W0OTM> woot, iHAB test flight tomorrow
[13:58] <Zuph> priyesh: 4.7k pullup for CS, no resistor for MISO unless you're using ISP programming.
[13:58] <priyesh> Zuph: i am using ISP
[13:58] <Dan-K2VOL> zuph spent till 3 am troubleshooting why it wouldn't ballast, finally realized that I had to set every threshold altitude every time you reprogram. by that point there was no time left to test
[13:58] <priyesh> Zuph: what would you put on MISO?
[14:00] <Zuph> priyesh: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc2521.pdf and http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=printview&t=70515&start=0
[14:00] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Aye :(
[14:01] <Dan-K2VOL> I patched up all the leaks and let it run, figured I'd give it some practice time
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[14:08] <Dan-K2VOL> zuph the hole array will work great though
[14:08] <Dan-K2VOL> I hope we have enough helium left to do the software testing tonight, I'm debating on asking molly to go get more
[14:12] <NigelMoby> Moo
[14:12] <NigelMoby> Hey brad, Dan
[14:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hi nigel
[14:13] <NigelMoby> Picochu is fixed
[14:14] <Dan-K2VOL> Brad zuph what's the minimum possible value on those to numbers that must be changed in source code
[14:14] <Dan-K2VOL> two numbers
[14:14] <Dan-K2VOL> nice nigel, what was wrong
[14:15] <NigelMoby> Wrong settings in the IDE
[14:15] <Dan-K2VOL> ah damn settings
[14:15] <NigelMoby> Had it set for 16mhz xtal
[14:15] <NigelMoby> Instead of 8
[14:16] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yes
[14:16] <NigelMoby> Silly error. I feel so dumb lol
[14:27] <SamSilver> Dan-K2VOL: will you hook us up with some video tonight please
[14:29] <Dan-K2VOL> certainly SamSilver
[14:29] <SamSilver> thanx
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> ustream dies occasionally, but if I notice I will restart.
[14:30] <Dan-K2VOL> someone is welcome to SMS to let me know if you really want it when it does
[14:36] <SamSilver> it was stable this morning, much more so than yourself
[14:37] <SamSilver> you could not sit still fig and lit
[14:39] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: I am confident that 60->15 and 10->5 will work. I am not confident that lower numbers will work.
[14:40] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: Lower limit is 1, but I have no idea what kind of behavior that will result in.
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[14:57] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[14:58] <Dan-K2VOL> samsilver you are right, I was trying to think
[15:05] <SamSilver> lol
[15:06] <SamSilver> head scratching
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[15:45] <NigeyS> hey ed!
[15:45] <eroomde> hyello!
[15:45] <eroomde> how are things?
[15:46] <eroomde> ejc74: are you about?
[15:47] <NigeyS> all good Ed, you ?
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[15:49] <eroomde> NigeyS: yep good
[15:49] <eroomde> just got the deposit down on a new house in oxford
[15:49] <eroomde> to rent, rather than buy
[15:49] <NigeyS> ohh nice!
[15:49] <Laurenceb> eroomde: what hood?
[15:49] <eroomde> osney island
[15:50] <Laurenceb> hmm interesting
[15:50] <Laurenceb> hope you dont get flooeded
[15:51] <eroomde> me too :)
[15:51] <eroomde> supposedly most of the problems with that have been solved
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[15:51] <Laurenceb> hmm
[15:51] <eroomde> unblocked drains, bigger pumps, new environmental agency water processing site
[15:51] <Laurenceb> that bit of canal/river always scares me
[15:51] <eroomde> it's beautiful though!
[15:51] <Laurenceb> yes
[15:51] <eroomde> amazing area, lovely house
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> If it was me, I' only feel truly comfortable if my house was on a nice thick polystyrene raft.
[15:52] <Laurenceb> right ive gtg
[15:52] <Laurenceb> ttyl
[15:59] <WillDuckworth> hey eroomde, are you involved with project squirrel? (sorry, think i've asked before)
[16:04] <WillDuckworth> was hunting for source code here without joy http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/websvn/
[16:04] <Randomskk> I don't think it's ever been committed to svn, but some of it is available for download from the squirrel wiki page
[16:04] <Randomskk> ejc74 on here is really the person to ask
[16:04] <Randomskk> or ejc_web when he comes on
[16:04] <Randomskk> (he wrote it/writes it/it's his baby)
[16:04] <WillDuckworth> cheers, i'll keep an eye
[16:10] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9320d07df67cee0d914b893a547511027020ebbf
[16:10] <NigeyS> anyone fancy a swim ? :(
[16:13] <eroomde> WillDuckworth: sorry yes
[16:13] <eroomde> but Randomskk has answered everything
[16:14] <eroomde> Randomskk: how is summer work?
[16:14] <WillDuckworth> cheers. just have a spare android phone and thought i'd have a bash without re-inventing the proverbial
[16:17] <Randomskk> eroomde: I have done like six different projects, worked on an android app, worked on some ruby projects, done some web stuff, have some c to work on, done/doing data analysis and soon will be working on some filtering algorithms
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[16:17] <Randomskk> in other words it's pretty exciting and I'm doing new stuff all the time
[16:17] <Randomskk> they don't let me get bored :P
[16:18] <eroomde> cool!
[16:18] <eroomde> what kind of filtering stuff?
[16:18] <Randomskk> speaking generally, speeds and such
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[16:27] <nickolai> afternoon all
[16:28] <nickolai> Upu, I made a few small revisions to the breakout board for the inventek chip and put it up on the wiki, check it out if you like
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[16:45] <Zuph> I'd like some advice, #highaltitude.
[16:45] <NigeyS> ?
[16:46] <SamSilver> duct tape
[16:46] <SamSilver> hope that helps Zuph
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[16:47] <Zuph> I'm trying to make a fool-proof power handover circuit for future long duration flights, so the flight computer can automatically switch from ground to flight power. It need to be very reliable, and I'm not sure what the *best* way to do it is.
[16:47] <NigeyS> nickolai, whats the link ?
[16:47] <NigeyS> Zuph, 2 hamsters instead of 1 ;)
[16:47] <nickolai> NigeyS: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:inventek-ism300
[16:48] <eroomde> Zuph: auto change over on disconnect?
[16:48] <eroomde> or will the flight computer have prior warning?
[16:48] <NigeyS> tnx nickolai
[16:48] <nickolai> np
[16:48] <Zuph> eroomde: I'd like it to be able to do change on disconnect as well as change on command.
[16:50] <NigeyS> looks good nickolai, good job :)
[16:50] <Zuph> So, maybe a logic line + voltage from the ground umbillical going into an old style 74 series OR, driving a NC relay, with whatever circuitry necessary to make the voltage work out. Seems like a failure at any point would stick it in "flight power"
[16:50] <SamSilver> have you seen the new ublox 6 low power unit http://www.falcom.de/products/gps-modules/fsa03-lp/
[16:50] <nickolai> thanks nigeys!
[16:51] <NigeyS> SamSilver, £50 says they still have a nasty flimsy antenna that needs epoxy!
[16:51] <nickolai> ooo, galileo capable
[16:51] <eroomde> gtg
[16:51] <eroomde> sorry Zuph will think about it
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[16:55] <Zuph> Bah, Galileo. We don't need no stinking euro location finding constellation.
[16:55] <SamSilver> NigeyS: Laurenceb used epoxy on his, as fix but I will not be taking you up on the bet!
[16:55] <NigeyS> hehe
[16:56] <SamSilver> afk
[16:58] <NigeyS> oo mediatek have a new gps module to
[16:59] <SamSilver> NigeyS: is it worth drooling over?
[16:59] <NigeyS> doesnt look anything special tbh
[16:59] <NigeyS> im waiting for them to bring an update to remove cocom
[17:00] <Dan-K2VOL> well china is putting up a nav constellation, now that we'll have GLONASS, Galieleo GPS and China's, you'll have lesser volume sales of individual networks receivers, and get to enjoy higher prices :-)
[17:00] <SamSilver> have to dash .... afk
[17:00] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, yey for higher prices...lol
[17:01] <NigeyS> http://www.locosystech.com/product.php?zln=en&id=64
[17:01] <NigeyS> looks tempting though
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[18:10] <Darkside> evening all
[18:10] <Darkside> Dan-K2VOL: if galileo gets launched
[18:10] <Darkside> i've heard lots of interesting things about it while i've been here
[18:10] <Darkside> like they spent 4 billion euros and got effectively nothing
[18:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm all for R&D or what
[18:13] <Dan-K2VOL> don't get me wrong, I do like the idea of having nav systems that aren't controlled by one military power
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[18:23] <nickolai> that's nothing, NASA spent something like $10 billion on space station freedom and didn't produce a single piece of hardware
[18:23] <nickolai> so far galileo has a couple test satellites in orbit, courtesy of soyuz launch
[18:24] <Darkside> it has one
[18:24] <Darkside> and its just a frequency test thing
[18:25] <Darkside> on the GIOVE sat
[18:25] <nickolai> yea that's the one
[18:25] <Darkside> sats*
[18:25] <Darkside> its not a operational sat
[18:25] <Darkside> they come later
[18:26] <nickolai> yea and there's supposed to be at least one more giove sat right? right now sat a is up there and i think, iirc, sat b is going up on the first soyuz from french guiana
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[18:28] <Laurenceb_> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JrDN7IeaOcc/ThSW41iuSoI/AAAAAAAAB28/WLc36uEueRo/s1600/aerial%2Btunnel.jpg
[18:48] Action: Elwell is miffed at *all* satellites seeing as his LNB seems to have died
[19:07] <NigeyS> Laurenceb, that the bryn-glas tunnel ?
[19:12] <Upu> evening
[19:14] <NigeyS> evening upu
[19:16] <Upu> bbs fitting some more USB ports..
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello!
[20:02] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:03] <natrium42> somebody here wrote an APRS to spacenear.us script
[20:03] <natrium42> does anybody remember who?
[20:03] <natrium42> W0OTM: was it you?
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[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[20:17] <RocketBoy> hiya - hows it going
[20:17] <RocketBoy> ?
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> and at your place?
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[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy?
[20:23] <RocketBoy> yeah good - just machining up a connector for my vacuum chamber
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> so that you can test barosensors?
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[20:28] <RocketBoy> sure - and cameras etc - the whole vacuum chamber then goes in the fridge and if it needs to get very cold I pack it with dry ide.
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> that is nice
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> will you write a how to about the chamber for the UKHAS site?
[20:29] <RocketBoy> sure - one day
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:30] <RocketBoy> when I have some time
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> will you come to London in October?
[20:31] <RocketBoy> yes I plan to be there
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> I cant be there because of an exam
[20:31] <RocketBoy> :-(
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:31] <RocketBoy> exams - uggg
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> but maybe 2012? :)
[20:33] <RocketBoy> BBL
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> and that exam is Experimental Physics 2
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> and I noticed that much of the knowledge from there is applicable for the Ham Radio test
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:36] Nick change: mazzanet_ -> mazzanet
[20:38] <ruku> Whoooo 8D
[20:38] Action: ruku etches a PCB
[20:38] <ruku> 12 mil traces on this baby... lets see if any come out
[20:39] <Randomskk> pfft, you can home etch 8/8 and down :P
[20:40] Action: ruku did a very bad job with wax paper
[20:40] <ruku> though it came out gobs better than I was expecting
[20:40] <Randomskk> I always found transparencies worked best
[20:40] <ruku> really?
[20:40] <ruku> I got envelope label paper that had all the stickies used up on them
[20:41] <ruku> it transferred REALLY well
[20:41] <ruku> though I might have wanted to leave the heat on a little longer to bake it in more
[20:41] <ruku> I soaked the paper, and when I lifted it up the paper was still clean
[20:41] <ruku> O:
[20:42] <Zuph> Cheap Photo paper has always worked great for me.
[20:42] <Zuph> 10 mil traces are nothing at all.
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[20:43] <ruku> You have any advice for aligning double layer boards?
[20:44] <Randomskk> it's hard :(
[20:44] <Randomskk> when doing transparencies you can align the two sheets, stick them together at the edges, then slide the board in
[20:44] <Randomskk> but basically professionally made PCBs are $10 for 10 these days, so...
[20:45] <Darkside> :P
[20:45] <Darkside> 5x5cm ones anyway
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[20:53] <Laurenceb_> hmf
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> how do you get round the problem of using typedefed datatypes in headers?
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> have one header with all datatypes in it?
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[20:54] <Laurenceb_> im getting dependency spaghetti
[20:54] <ruku> change it to void pointers? >_>
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> my usart header needs to know about dma
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> but other stuff needs to know about dma
[20:55] <ruku> global variables?
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> ../dma.h:16: error: conflicting types for 'Bytes_In_Buffer
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> hundereds of lines of that
[21:01] <Randomskk> extern keyword?
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[21:04] <W0OTM> natrium42: hey
[21:05] <W0OTM> natrium42: ping
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello W0OTM
[21:05] <W0OTM> hey Lunar_Lander
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> how is iHAB going?
[21:05] <W0OTM> good
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: several files need to use the dma.h
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> as they use dma
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> how do i include without these errors?
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> so iHAB-5 is coming up?
[21:06] <W0OTM> I am launching iHAB-6 tomorrow
[21:08] <fsphil> #define INC_DMA_H
[21:08] <fsphil> ?
[21:08] <Randomskk> oh yea ifdef guards are definitely a good idea if you don't already have them
[21:08] <Randomskk> and/or #pragma once
[21:08] <fsphil> yea
[21:08] <Randomskk> I usually do
[21:08] <Randomskk> #pragma once
[21:08] <Randomskk> #ifndef __INCLUDEGUARD_FILENAME_H
[21:08] <Randomskk> #define __INCLUDEGUARD_FILENAME_H
[21:08] <Randomskk> //bla bla
[21:09] <Randomskk> #endif /* __INCLUDEGUARD_FILENAME_H */
[21:09] <Randomskk> pragma once is quicker for compilers that take it
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> cool W0OTM
[21:09] <Randomskk> not that it really makes much difference
[21:09] <fsphil> I've not used the pragma yet, but it seems a good idea if there's enough support for it
[21:09] <Randomskk> to be honest, gcc supports it, that's all I compile on anyway
[21:09] <fsphil> indeed
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[21:10] <fsphil> g'day Lunar_Lander
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> pragma once in dma.h?
[21:12] <Randomskk> in every header file
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> success XD
[21:14] <ruku> God bless SO packages.
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> i was using pragma once defore but seemingly not in the right places
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> sooo confusing
[21:15] <ruku> And TQFP
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> eeek up to 102KB
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> 26k left on my stm32
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> just need to add the si4432 driver now
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> sd and uavtalk to ground control is working
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM: what is balloomerang?
[21:17] <fsphil> boomeroon
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:18] <W0OTM> We are launching a glider up with a balloon and cutting it loose. It will fly autonomously back to the launch site
[21:18] <Randomskk> oh wow, nice
[21:18] <ruku> Laurenceb_, What are you using for a programmer?
[21:19] <ruku> And which chip in particular?
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> stm32f103, and serial
[21:21] <ruku> So it has a bootloader?
[21:28] <natrium42> W0OTM: yo
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool W0OTM
[21:35] <ruku> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/281517_773682616823_15211915_37427995_727479_n.jpg
[21:36] <ruku> There it is... complete with cross hairs at the center of each part!
[21:36] <ruku> There's def. bridged traces all over the thing
[21:36] <ruku> I was rushing it for a proof of concept.
[21:37] <Darkside> ooh what micro is that?
[21:37] <Darkside> SRM32?
[21:37] <Darkside> stm32*
[21:37] <ruku> xmega32a4
[21:37] Action: ruku isn't cool enough for the fancy stm stuff yet...
[21:37] <Darkside> ooh xmega
[21:37] <Darkside> i've done a payload using an xmega before
[21:37] <Darkside> was a 128a1 though
[21:37] <ruku> Though if someone were to teach me how to go from code to silicon I might O:
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[21:40] <ruku> aaaand my tssop fits
[21:40] <ruku> horay. I'm gonna shoot for this again tomorrow
[21:48] <Randomskk> ruku: it's not so hard. I have a couple of github repos that contain everything you need for linux/mac
[21:48] <Randomskk> or you can get an IDE and I'm told it's then even easier
[21:48] <Randomskk> you can bootload them via the builtin bootloader with any serial port/ftdi cable
[21:54] <ruku> huh.
[21:54] <ruku> doesn't sound too bad.
[21:54] <ruku> are there libraries floating around?
[21:58] <Randomskk> well
[21:58] <Randomskk> there are two biggies
[21:58] <Randomskk> ST's peripheral library
[21:58] <Randomskk> which is okay I guess - it supports everything, is written by ST
[21:58] <Randomskk> but a bit wordy? anyway it works
[21:59] <Randomskk> there's libopenstm32 / libopencm3 which supports many peripherals but not as many, but is nicer
[21:59] <Randomskk> there's ChibiOS, which is an RTOS (real time operating system) that runs on the STM32, providing you with things like threads and mutexes and all sorts of good stuff, and its HAL (hardware abstraction layer) provides drivers for most of the STM32 functionality
[21:59] <Randomskk> (I also have a github repo for getting an stm32 up and running on chibios, though it's pretty easy)
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> ruku: https://github.com/Laurenceb
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> autopilot project on my github using stm32
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> xmega looks nice
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[22:02] <Laurenceb_> not quite the thing for uav use - underpowered core
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> but the event system is really useful for solving low power io problems
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[22:05] <fsphil> hmm.. any use for those polarising 3d cinema glasses?
[22:05] <Randomskk> you can use two to make a variable density ND filter
[22:06] <Randomskk> useful if you want to use a webcam that can't get a very high shutter speed outdoors where it's very bright, for instance
[22:06] <fsphil> oooh like that
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[22:20] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: I have used actual sunglasses in the past
[22:21] <Randomskk> same
[22:21] <Randomskk> but they weren't variable
[22:21] <Randomskk> the polarised glasses worked a treat
[22:21] <Randomskk> this was the very recent past :P
[22:21] <Randomskk> so recent.
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