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[07:10] <daveake> Upu: got your NOTAM yet?
[07:13] <Upu> negative
[07:13] <daveake> :(. That guy gets slower and slower
[07:14] <Upu> at the rate its going the NOTAMS are going to get issued after the launch
[07:14] <daveake> Just what I was going to say!
[07:15] <daveake> My first NOTAM cam in end of the Thursday before; second one came in Friday morning. So I predict that you'll get it this afternoon!
[07:15] <daveake> We did call at the beginning of the week each time, to wake him up
[07:16] <daveake> Might be worth checking online first - I saw mine on an online map before I got the actual NOTAM by email
[07:16] <Upu> yeah checked last night its not there
[07:16] <Upu> predictions not looking great atm either
[07:16] <Upu> still over leeds
[07:17] <daveake> Not there now.
[07:17] <Upu> ok afk
[07:17] <daveake> Leeds? It'll get nicked when it lands.
[07:18] <daveake> Mine looked like it might land on the M40 in one prediction
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[07:56] <fsphil> I try not to worry about the predictions anymore :)
[07:56] <fsphil> not until the night before anyway
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[10:24] <RocketBoy> hey Upu I understand you have a chase car iphone app?
[10:24] <Upu> hi RocketBoy
[10:24] <Upu> thx for balloon yes we do
[10:25] <Upu> only problem is you need to be a developer to use it atm
[10:25] <Upu> app store silly submission thing
[10:25] <RocketBoy> ah - just about to ask that :-(
[10:25] <RocketBoy> yeah
[10:25] <Upu> let me see if we can install it on your phone without access to it
[10:25] <Upu> I'm not the developer, I know when I have it on mine he has to plug it in and install a cert on it
[10:25] <RocketBoy> cool
[10:27] <fsphil> that's massively restrictive
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[10:30] <Upu> its massively annoying
[10:30] <Upu> we have submitted it for the Apple gnomes to look at
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[10:30] <Upu> he's just on the phone will come back to you shortly Steve
[10:31] <NigelMoby> Morning
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[10:33] <RocketBoy> thanks Upu
[10:49] <fsphil> we've added your gps fix RocketBoy, still need to test it properply
[10:49] <fsphil> properly
[10:53] <RocketBoy> thanks fsphil - jcoxon let me have a copy - but it didn't seem to work - but I was sure that it would - ho hum
[10:53] <fsphil> odd, will take another look. unfornatually all my gps devices have the hhmmss.dd time
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[10:56] <fsphil> yay, weather outside is still sunny
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[12:06] <daveake> Upu: You're still not on the NOTAM map ... I think I'd be giving David Miller a call if I were you!
[12:11] <Upu> I'll give him another hour or so
[12:12] <daveake> I'll try and track the path (into Leeds city centre!) on Sunday
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[12:15] <Upu> Steve / RocketBoy is your iPhone jail broken and/or are you willing to jail break it ? ( 2 second job to do it)
[12:16] <RocketBoy> Upu: no it isn't - but I'm willing to - btw its an old 3G (not even 3GS)
[12:16] <Upu> should be fine
[12:17] <Upu> ok in that case I'll get you some instructions shortly
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[12:17] <RocketBoy> thanks!
[12:18] <Upu> ok go jail break it, I think you just visit www.jailbreakme.com in Safari on it, just back it up first ofc
[12:18] <Upu> Matthew says (13:18)
[12:18] <Upu> once cydia is installed he will need to add my repo, just eating KFC once done ill get it setup
[12:18] <Upu> :)
[12:18] <Upu> KFC break
[12:25] <fsphil> *drool*
[12:26] <Upu> annoying thing is he's as skinny as a rake
[12:29] <Upu> he owns the domain skynet.ai which I think is quite cool
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[12:39] <Laurenceb> eww KFC
[12:39] <Laurenceb> its like a bbq gone wrong
[12:39] <Laurenceb> mcdonalds isnt to bad
[12:41] <GW8RAK> Has anyone used an android phone as a modem please?
[12:41] <Randomskk> kind-of. what do you mean by modem?
[12:42] <Randomskk> I've used my phone to connect my computer to the internet
[12:42] <GW8RAK> To allow a pc to access the web via 3G
[12:42] <Randomskk> ah, yea.
[12:42] <GW8RAK> What does "rooted" mean please?
[12:42] <Randomskk> that's easily done. either settings/wireless/tethering or install wifi tether
[12:42] <Randomskk> rooted means it's running a system image which allows applications to access phone hardware
[12:42] <Randomskk> it involves flashing a new system image
[12:43] <GW8RAK> Okay, how is that done?
[12:43] <Randomskk> depends on the model of phone. it's likely required to install wifi tethering if your phone doesn't have it by default, but should not be required to just access the internet over a USB cable
[12:43] <Randomskk> additionally some models of phone can't be readily rooted
[12:44] <Randomskk> have you tried just going Settings / Wireless & networks / Tethering while a USB cable is connected?
[12:44] <GW8RAK> Okay, the only reference I've found to my phone is that it needs to be rooted. Is the system image of the phone on the pc?
[12:44] <Randomskk> well you'd have to download one, copy it over and flash it
[12:44] <GW8RAK> Not yet Randomskk, but I'll try it now.
[12:44] <Randomskk> but what phone is it? USB tethering should Just Work very easily
[12:44] <GW8RAK> Early afternoon watching the Tour de France, so got time to play.
[12:44] <GW8RAK> LG Optimus P500
[12:45] <Randomskk> it looks like maybe it comes with wifi tethering anyway? you might have an app called "WiFi Hotspot" or "Wifi Tethering" that might work
[12:46] <GW8RAK> One link I found says to "root it and get a wireless tethering app". But I've got it plugged in and will see what happens.
[12:46] <GW8RAK> Want to try this in preparation for any launches this weekend.
[12:46] <Randomskk> rooting and installing wireless tethering is the most complicated way of doing this, but also likely to work on anything
[12:47] <Randomskk> however wired tethering uses significantly less battery life and should work without rooting
[12:47] <GW8RAK> Thanks for that. From the wording of the link, I got the feeling that rooting/tethering etc may be complicated. Just looking to see if there is any official support from LG
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[13:11] <Upu> he's working on the repo RocketBoy sorry about the delay
[13:11] <RocketBoy> np
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[13:11] <jkominar> natrium42: we've green-lit the launch for tomorrow morning @Lucknow
[13:11] <RocketBoy> I'm going down the workshop for a bit - bbl
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[14:07] <fsphil> woo, I'm on holiday
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[14:08] <Laurenceb> on the internet?
[14:09] <Laurenceb> #spain ?
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[14:26] <daveake> Upu: Your NOTAM is up online now
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[14:41] <Upu> hey daveake yes it just came through :)
[14:41] <fsphil> Laurenceb, sadly :)
[14:42] <fsphil> ooh good news Upu
[14:42] <daveake> :-)
[14:42] <Laurenceb> virtual holiday
[14:42] <Laurenceb> use streetview
[14:43] <fsphil> haha
[14:43] <fsphil> there's a really odd show on NHK World of someone walking through a town with a camera -- and that's it
[14:44] <fsphil> like a first person game
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[14:45] <Upu> however... http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=eceb29571f5ce6cc69182255f1d5073d0829c0fc
[14:45] <Upu> will check it tommorrow
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[14:50] <daveake> Hopefully iy'll improve tomorrow :)
[14:51] <fsphil> you could always underfill and land it in Doncaster :)
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[14:55] <ruku> Upu, what are you guys doing with jailbroken iphones?
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[14:56] <SamSilver> later
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[14:57] <Upu> ruku because Steve Jobs is an ass hat to get the iPhone tracker working it has to be on a jail broken iphone at this time
[14:57] <ruku> (Well that's a given <_<)
[14:57] <Upu> we have submitted the app to the store for his highnesses approval but we can just send a file out like the android users can
[14:58] <Upu> at the moment
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[15:07] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: NOTAM received but predictions looking sketchy at the moment fingers cross wind will move ! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/94423410897199104]
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[15:09] <ruku> Upu, do you think having it on cydia will hurt it?
[15:09] <Laurenceb> http://www.wtfnoway.com/
[15:09] <Upu> nah
[15:09] <Upu> Cydia actually has legitimate apps you can purchase
[15:10] <Upu> its only if you install dodgy repos that it becomes an issue, and Cydia warns you you're adding something know to distribute illegal software
[15:10] <ruku> What apps on there are useful?
[15:11] <ruku> About the only thing I can imagine using is a GPS app which gives you lat/long, and an ssh program
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[15:12] <M0JSN> sbsettings
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[15:12] <Upu> HAB tracker app
[15:12] <Upu> wifi monitors
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[15:15] <Upu> I don't currently have my phone jail broken but I have done in the past to get round Jobsonian restrictions
[15:18] <ruku> Oh, for reference... on the pressure sensor thing.
[15:18] <ruku> I was going to use the MPX2100 on my design, but it required a +12 V supply, and I didn't want to add anything else at that point.
[15:19] <ruku> The datasheet technically didn't supply a minimum voltage, but I went with the 4115A that goes to 11 kPa
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[15:37] <Upu> hi RocketBoy
[15:37] <NigeyS> hey Steve
[15:37] <Upu> getting there
[15:38] <RocketBoy> spiffing
[15:38] <Upu> Steve Jobs
[15:38] <Upu> is alot of rude words
[15:39] <NigeyS> lol
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[16:13] <GW8RAK> Okay, the only reference I've found to my phone is that it needs to be rooted. Is the system image of the
[16:14] <GW8RAK> That shouldn't have appeared then.
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[16:28] <Upu> ok RocketBoy
[16:28] <Upu> Open Cydia
[16:28] <Upu> Go to manage
[16:28] <Upu> Then Sources
[16:28] <Upu> Tap Edit on the top right
[16:28] <Upu> then tap Add on the top left
[16:28] <Upu> enter: http://cydia.skynet.ai
[16:28] <Upu> Then hit add source... Wait for it to update
[16:28] <Upu> then after then you can tap on Skynet in the sources list or search for "ChaseTracker"
[16:29] <Upu> icon is broken
[16:29] <Upu> once the "ChaseTracker" package is selected tap install in the top right
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[16:30] <Upu> in the Address box put http://www.spacenear.us/tracker/ with trailing slash
[16:30] <Upu> if you want to test use http://ava.upuaut.net/tracker/ password is whereami
[16:30] <Upu> ok dog walk time
[16:32] <danielsaul> Eek, ukhas conferences is 15th Oct?
[16:43] <daveake> yep
[16:46] <Laurenceb> http://www.truerc.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_20&products_id=363
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[17:47] <Darkside> hmm
[17:48] <Darkside> need to figure out what the hell i'm going to do this weekend
[17:48] <fsphil> bake cakes!
[17:49] <Darkside> no kitchen
[17:49] <Darkside> well, none that i can use
[17:49] <Darkside> i think i'll go for a long walk around bath tomorrow
[17:50] <fsphil> is it a nice area? I've never been there
[17:50] <Darkside> yeah, very nice
[17:50] <Darkside> and the weather is looking better for this weekend
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[17:53] <fsphil> indeedy! sunny skies for here tomorrow, and I'm stuck with no car. boo
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[18:17] <ruku> how goes Darkside?
[18:23] <Darkside> finished the PCB today
[18:23] <Darkside> will be helping out with the programming starting monday
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[18:26] <danielsaul> For 425 shift, what should the voltage difference be going into the NTX2?
[18:28] <Randomskk> like 0.2V ish roughly
[18:28] <ruku> Sweet.
[18:28] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/topcat/TOPCAT.pdf
[18:28] <danielsaul> Randomskk: Ok, we've got 0.144v at the moment on breadboard - is that alright?
[18:28] <Randomskk> yea probably
[18:28] <Darkside> danielsaul: you can tune it with one of the pots on the NTX2
[18:28] <Randomskk> uhm, what shift do you measure?
[18:29] <Darkside> one of them controls modulation
[18:29] <fsphil> does it have to be 425 shift?
[18:29] <danielsaul> erm... We were told by jonsowman to do 425 shift :P It's for the next APEX payload
[18:29] <ruku> one of the things I did on my board that I really liked
[18:29] <jonsowman> i said no such thing :P
[18:29] <fsphil> lol
[18:29] <danielsaul> jonsowman: Did :P
[18:29] <ruku> I put angle brackets by the RX and TX to indicate direction of data flow
[18:29] <ruku> RX>
[18:29] <ruku> <TX
[18:29] <jonsowman> I said 0.2V gives roughly 425 shift
[18:30] <Randomskk> like 350 to 450 is a good aim for shift
[18:30] <jonsowman> but 350 or whatever is fine if you like
[18:30] <Randomskk> 350 or 425 precisely also good
[18:30] <danielsaul> How do you find out what shift you are currently getting?
[18:30] <jonsowman> look in fldigi
[18:30] <danielsaul> I am... and can't see anything :P
[18:31] <danielsaul> We've set 425... but how do we know what we are getting?
[18:31] <fsphil> I cheated .. I picked a shift, and kept trying resistors until I got it
[18:31] <fsphil> fldigi has an option to set a custom shift, in the modems->rtty bit in the configuration dialog
[18:31] <fsphil> you can adjust this until it matches your signal
[18:32] <fsphil> and whatever it is, is your shift
[18:32] <danielsaul> Well... we've got data coming in and decoding absolutely fine on 425
[18:32] <fsphil> do your two signal lines match up with the two lines fldigi does in the waterfall?
[18:34] <danielsaul> Yes, roughly... We've just replaced 4.7 with 6.8 and we've got .2v difference - doesnt look any different :P
[18:34] <danielsaul> We'll just stick with this
[18:34] <fsphil> it's going to change in flight anyway, as the temperature changes
[18:35] <danielsaul> Exactly, we'll leave it at that then :)
[18:35] <danielsaul> Alpha is coming alive
[18:40] <m1x10_happiest> unbelievable! I get iGated with the new radio at 10mw!
[18:40] <number10> has anyone tried heating the inside of a payload with a handwarmer - I have no idea of the the power output and weight of such - but thought would be interesting to investigate
[18:41] <Darkside> the guy who launched an iphone did that i think
[18:43] <fsphil> how far was the receiving station m1x10_happiest?
[18:43] <fsphil> (for reference, I tried aprs with 5 watts and it didn't work ;-)
[18:50] <m1x10_happiest> the more distance station that received is far 60km and more
[18:51] <m1x10_happiest> it works like it did with the 100mw and 300mw modules
[18:51] <m1x10_happiest> no actual changes
[18:52] <m1x10_happiest> the 10mw module is tiny though:)
[18:52] <m1x10_happiest> compared to the others
[18:52] <m1x10_happiest> and now i have included the TXD resistor
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[18:53] <m1x10_happiest> how was that command?
[18:56] <fsphil> impressive
[19:04] <fsphil> I think the bot is on holiday
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[19:12] <Guest88859> can anyone point me to some information about the proper procedure for balloon inflation?
[19:14] <m1x10_happiest> :p
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[19:15] <hibby> i has a start date!
[19:15] <hibby> and i bought a mobile!
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[19:17] <Dan-K2VOL> nice hibby!
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[19:31] <fsphil> the heatwave there has made the news here
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[19:32] <Darkside> lol
[19:32] <Darkside> how hot did it get?
[19:32] <fsphil> 37c
[19:33] <fsphil> somewhere recorded 43C
[19:34] <fsphil> it's never been hotter than about 32c here
[19:34] <Darkside> bah
[19:34] <Darkside> 43 degrees is nothing
[19:34] <Darkside> try 48
[19:34] <fsphil> nooo
[19:34] <fsphil> I'll pass !
[19:34] <fsphil> (just googled, hottest temperature recorded in NI was 30.8c)
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[19:38] <Darkside> lol
[19:38] <Darkside> mannnn.. i'm gonna have to stay up heaps late to tlk to friends in australia
[19:38] <GW8RAK> Was it still raining at the time fsphil?
[19:38] <Darkside> or get up early
[19:39] <fsphil> yikes, there's a side of NASA I didn't know about: http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/last_shuttle/bp13.jpg
[19:39] <fsphil> haha probably GW8RAK
[19:39] <fsphil> it was in 1983
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[19:40] <mattltm> Hi all :)
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[19:40] <fsphil> even better: http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/last_shuttle/bp26.jpg
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[19:42] <fsphil> evnin mattltm
[19:42] <mattltm> evenin'
[19:44] <mattltm> Anything going on?
[19:44] <Darkside> hrmm, cbf working on this code now
[19:45] <Darkside> i seriously reckon i'll spend tomorrow walking
[19:45] <NigeyS> bleh
[19:45] <Darkside> hey NigeyS
[19:45] <Darkside> any word on a launch this weekend?
[19:45] <NigeyS> women are put on this earth to test our patients i swear!
[19:45] <Darkside> it might give me a reason to go to wales
[19:45] <NigeyS> Darkside, waiting for helium, if i can get it tomorrow we're good for sunday, about 1pm
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[19:45] <Darkside> hmm
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[19:45] <Darkside> where are you launching from? and how would i get there?
[19:46] <NigeyS> locally, train to cardiff central
[19:46] <kristian1aul> i dont get it, how i can use a PLL to track C/A code..
[19:46] <NigeyS> and id meet u there
[19:46] <Darkside> NigeyS: awesome
[19:46] Action: kristian1aul looks for a good ilustration
[19:46] <Darkside> hmm, my funcube dongle is in the lab... i should be able to get in there
[19:46] <Darkside> kristian1aul: something to do with correlation?
[19:46] <Darkside> dunno >_>
[19:46] <NigeyS> was trying to get the helium from boc but they dont deliver saturdays and the sals outlets dont open saturdays either :'
[19:47] <Darkside> NigeyS: damn
[19:47] <NigeyS> sales*
[19:47] <kristian1aul> Darkside: yup
[19:47] <Darkside> any other sellers?
[19:47] <kristian1aul> osgps, implement a soft correlator, that uses a PLL
[19:47] <Darkside> kristian1aul: thanfully i'm not implementing a GPS receiver, just usign a high spec one :P
[19:47] <NigeyS> been looking around, friend of my dads might be able to get some but won't know until at least 11am tomorrow
[19:48] <kristian1aul> Darkside: not said that too me! :)
[19:48] <Darkside> oh yeah, i found the price of the GPS unit we're using
[19:48] <Darkside> 2500 pounds
[19:48] <NigeyS> :o
[19:48] <kristian1aul> :-X
[19:48] <NigeyS> for gps... wow
[19:48] <Darkside> its a space-rated, dual frequency GPS
[19:48] <NigeyS> ahh
[19:48] <Darkside> its specced for higher bandwidth, so it can cope with doppler shift when moving at 10KM/s
[19:48] <Darkside> and we have 2 of them
[19:49] <kristian1aul> and still detect when you move those 3 cms? :-)
[19:49] <Darkside> kristian1aul: i doubt that
[19:49] <NigeyS> blimey... whats the mission objectives btw ?
[19:49] <Darkside> tbh i dont think the positioning info is going to be all that good
[19:49] <Darkside> but it'll give is the data we need for TEC measurement
[19:50] <fsphil> "At the next orbit, turn left"
[19:50] <Darkside> fsphil: hahaha
[19:50] <NigeyS> lol phil
[19:50] <Darkside> apparently the GPSes they use for scintillation measurement here cost 10000 pounds
[19:50] <kristian1aul> fsphil: ;-))
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[19:50] <rjharrison> Evening all
[19:51] <fsphil> science is expensive
[19:51] <NigeyS> evening Rob
[19:51] <fsphil> g'day rjharrison
[19:52] <Darkside> fsphil: i'm just hoping i can watch the launch
[19:52] <rjharrison> Anyone knoe off hand inf teh onewire protocaol is a standard. Ie shouel it be the same for all devices usinging it? Doing some battle trying to get the DS1821 playing with the DS18x20 onewire.c code
[19:52] <fsphil> that would be amazing
[19:52] <rjharrison> hey fsphil
[19:52] <rjharrison> Upu are the pred looking any better?
[19:52] <Darkside> they said they might have enough money to get me over to kazakhstan for the launch
[19:52] <Darkside> (sp)
[19:52] <NigeyS> robbie, the code is not the same for all versions of the sensor iirc
[19:53] <rjharrison> humf!
[19:53] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: from sstl?
[19:53] <NigeyS> aye, its a right pain, took me a while to find the correct library for the 1 i'm using
[19:53] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: Novatel
[19:53] <Darkside> It's a Novtel OEMV-1DF
[19:53] <Laurenceb_> ah
[19:53] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/topcat/TOPCAT.pdf
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> met Paul Spencer and Cathryn Mitchell?
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> ive spoken to them about gps receivers before
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> theres a lot of work on scintillation over at bath
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> Sparkly!
[19:56] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: lol
[19:56] <Darkside> cathryn mitchell is the supervisor for this project
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> oh
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> :P
[19:56] <Darkside> been having lots of chats with her
[19:57] <Darkside> i think i've met paul spencer too
[19:57] <Darkside> i'm working in the INVERT office at the moment, with all of those researchers
[19:57] <Darkside> awesome group, so much fun stuff going on
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> ah inverse problems
[19:58] <Darkside> tomography problems
[19:58] <Darkside> we were discussing how PCB layout is a big optimization problem, that is solved best by humans :P
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> topological autorouters
[19:59] <Darkside> heh
[19:59] <Darkside> but you sitll need to place the components first
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> To a degree
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> In some cases you can probably autosegment the diagram sanely.
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> Simple metrics like percentage of component x's connections go to component y vs component z
[20:02] <Darkside> yeah
[20:02] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/topcat/TOPCAT.pdf
[20:02] <Darkside> anyway, thats the PCB so far
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsIGTBVhoG8
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[20:03] <SpeedEvil> If your routing is fast enough - GPU? - you can of course cheat
[20:03] <Darkside> yeah we're thinking of putting a picture of topcat on the PCB
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> 10! isn't that large a number say
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[20:04] <Darkside> oh yeah, one of the researchers was trying out a tomographic algorithm on various machines in the department
[20:04] <Darkside> turns out my laptop is the fastest machine in the department
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:04] <Darkside> macbook pro, quad core i7 :-)
[20:05] <Darkside> hm, i might get out the SDR-IQ and see what i can hear on HF :P
[20:06] <Darkside> or now, as it's now raining
[20:06] <Darkside> >_>
[20:07] <NigeyS> hehe you'll get used to the rain :)
[20:08] <fsphil> do the macs still have the silly glossy screens?
[20:08] <NigeyS> yip :/
[20:08] <Darkside> fsphil: i got the high res, non-glossy option
[20:08] Action: NigeyS steals Darkside's mac
[20:08] <Darkside> 1680x1050, no stupid pane of glass in front of the screen
[20:08] <Darkside> haha
[20:08] <fsphil> aaah cool - I though they got rid of the matte screens
[20:09] Action: fsphil steals Darkside's laptop from NigeyS
[20:09] <NigeyS> lol oi
[20:09] <fsphil> brb
[20:09] <Darkside> fsphil: its an option on the 15" and 17" models
[20:10] Action: mattltm shouts "Look over there" at fsphil and steals Darkside's mac.
[20:10] <Darkside> well i had to watch out today :P
[20:11] <Darkside> my mac was running their code in about half the time as their usual machine
[20:11] <Darkside> lots of people wanted it :P
[20:12] <NigeyS> haha better lock it down to the bench
[20:15] <Darkside> heh
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[20:23] <Darkside> ok,i now hve a nice high ress picture of topcat
[20:23] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/yGRLA.png
[20:24] <Darkside> gonna put that on the PCBsomewhere
[20:25] <number10> all that extra copper weight ;-)
[20:25] <Darkside> silkscreen
[20:25] <Darkside> not copper
[20:25] <number10> oh no so bad then
[20:26] <Darkside> i don't want to fuck up the groundplane by putting that on as copper
[20:26] <number10> did you ever see chip art?
[20:26] <Upu> hey rjharrison sorry been out
[20:27] <Upu> not great
[20:27] <rjharrison> hey ho
[20:27] <Upu> no matter what ascent rate I put in
[20:27] <Upu> Leeds :)
[20:27] <Upu> unless I go with a super slow one but thats not a great idea with Hwoyee
[20:27] <rjharrison> Do you have a link to the pred
[20:27] <Upu> lost it 1 sec I'll rerun
[20:28] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=078d01c4269600c43d10671df7048a6e6261c916 1000 full T Cylinder of gas
[20:28] <Upu> additionally gas doesn't get much more out of it
[20:29] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=27aa73bc663321d74387945cb405467dfdb77ec3 1600g with a full T
[20:29] <Upu> your house ?
[20:30] <rjharrison> lol
[20:30] <rjharrison> It's there abouts
[20:30] <rjharrison> If you can push it shouth of that your up for a winner
[20:30] <Upu> just not happy with it coming down over leeds bradford wakefield huddersfield , all built up over there
[20:30] <rjharrison> laods of green between huds and sheff
[20:30] <Upu> yeah
[20:30] <fsphil> what if you made the payload heavier?
[20:31] <Upu> lemmie check
[20:31] <NigeyS> yeah, add a couple hundred grams of sand
[20:31] <fsphil> slow the ascent rate but with the same amount of gas, it should still burst instead of floating
[20:31] <Darkside> hmm stupid trains, i can't seem to get into cardiff ealry NigeyS
[20:31] <Darkside> early*
[20:32] <NigeyS> bah dumb trains
[20:32] <NigeyS> if we cant do it this week, you still free next weekend ? .. could try the saturday
[20:32] <rjharrison> Upu you're ds1820 are you one one or two pins for that
[20:32] <Darkside> first train to get in is at 12:07
[20:32] <NigeyS> :o
[20:32] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c5ae4dbdebfda1480c87e817d19aae4a2cc3fb9d 100g 1.2kg payload 4m/s
[20:32] <rjharrison> on the uC
[20:33] <Darkside> seems like sunday has shit trains
[20:33] <Upu> 2 pins parasitic mode
[20:33] <Darkside> saturday has way better trains
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[20:33] <Upu> its the whole "south" thing :)
[20:33] <NigeyS> sundays have shit trains, buses etc .. everything is part time table
[20:34] <Upu> Darkside dunno if this is the same in oz but Sunday is the day of rest, or the day of running round the country side chasing balloons over here
[20:34] <rjharrison> Oh interesting on the parasitic approach. Why not seperate power
[20:34] <NigeyS> Darkside, http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=71a0f27e03a2742e35621391b24f7d35c98d3f0d thats the prediction for sunday, i think it may be to close to the motorway
[20:35] <rjharrison> 2 pind in case one fails on the uC and brings the network down?
[20:35] <Upu> I couldn't get it working in normal mode, still can't with the DS1821's but parasitic seemed to work
[20:35] <Upu> I loose my temp sensors
[20:35] <Upu> no biggie
[20:35] <Darkside> NigeyS: oh lol
[20:35] <Darkside> is that prediction at all accuratE?
[20:35] <NigeyS> well, its a best guess
[20:35] <Upu> I'll check it tommorrow see what it looks liek
[20:36] <NigeyS> how accurate any prediction is with the foils is somewhat unknown
[20:36] <Darkside> oh wow, 1 hour flight time
[20:36] <Upu> I have a load of DS1821's here which I need to get working
[20:36] <NigeyS> yup, nice and short hehe
[20:36] <Darkside> hmm, i'm on a nice high hill here
[20:37] <Upu> where is your prediction NigeyS ?
[20:37] <Darkside> if i had a decent antenna i'd be able to RX it fine :P
[20:37] <NigeyS> hills are good!
[20:37] <Upu> oh
[20:37] <Upu> I see it
[20:37] <Darkside> NigeyS: but i don't have a decent antenna, only the antenna on my handheld
[20:37] <Upu> 5km is this a small on ?
[20:37] <Upu> one
[20:38] <NigeyS> hmm, might be able to rx, i can get some of the habs on the whip of the 790r
[20:38] <Darkside> Upu: foil balloon
[20:38] <Upu> ah ok
[20:38] <Upu> might just get that here at max height
[20:38] <Darkside> NigeyS: yeahi probably will be able to RX from here
[20:38] <NigeyS> Upu, http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=71a0f27e03a2742e35621391b24f7d35c98d3f0d
[20:38] <Darkside> justworking out my altitude now
[20:38] <NigeyS> or i can post you a yagi to use ?
[20:39] <Darkside> lol
[20:39] <rjharrison> Upu, http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=53.41670&lon=-3.00000&zoom=4&type=hyb&units=metric&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=GFS&mm.type=200&mm.hour=0&mm.opa=100&mm.clk=0&hur=0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0&dir=0&ads=0&tfk=0&ski=0&stormreports=0
[20:39] <NigeyS> actually no, make 1 ! lol
[20:39] <Darkside> ok i'm at approx 190m
[20:39] <Darkside> so not that high lol
[20:39] <rjharrison> Move the forcast + 30hrs
[20:39] <NigeyS> thats quite high, im at 19m here, launch site is probably abut 90ish at most
[20:40] <NigeyS> and if it goes south towards the severn river.. nice clear LOS
[20:40] <Darkside> whenit gets lower mendip will block me
[20:40] <rjharrison> Upu this is what we used to use before the perd
[20:40] <NigeyS> ach forgot about mendip
[20:40] <rjharrison> pred
[20:41] <Upu> awesome
[20:41] <Upu> the southerly stops
[20:41] <Darkside> NigeyS: how about getting someone else to launch it while you drive over here? :P
[20:41] <rjharrison> Upu this data can be helpfull along side the predictor
[20:41] <Darkside> as in you fill it up, tie it down, then get someone to cut it loose when you tell them :P
[20:42] <Upu> that is awesome
[20:42] <Upu> my Dad will love that
[20:42] <rjharrison> You can see the jets real easily
[20:42] <Upu> yeah
[20:42] <Upu> right another check tommorrow
[20:43] <Darkside> Upu: when are you launching?
[20:43] <Darkside> i might walk up the hill and see if i can hear it :P
[20:43] <Upu> Sunday
[20:43] <Upu> hopefully
[20:44] <rjharrison> Upu soory for clarity you are using a single uC pin for each sensor?
[20:44] <rjharrison> Rather than netwoing them to a single pin
[20:44] <Upu> 1 pin for all sensors
[20:45] <rjharrison> ok cool
[20:45] <Upu> lemmie get circuit diagram for you
[20:45] <rjharrison> I'm toying with that idea. Just weighing up the issues
[20:45] <rjharrison> I quite like internal on one pin and external network of sensors on another pin
[20:46] <rjharrison> Though I can also see the ease in just using a single pin for all
[20:46] <rjharrison> BTW with the nework do you store teh ID's in your code to ident int/ext ?
[20:47] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/ava-circuit-diagram.png
[20:47] <Upu> I used a library
[20:48] <Upu> temp sensors are top left of that diagram
[20:48] <Upu> http://milesburton.com/Dallas_Temperature_Control_Library
[20:48] <rjharrison> Yep but do tey always register in the same order
[20:48] <Upu> yes
[20:48] <Upu> thought they don't always register
[20:49] <rjharrison> Ahh
[20:49] <Upu> I have a reset check in my code
[20:49] <rjharrison> Oh and if the count drops below 2 you rescan
[20:51] <Upu> 1
[20:52] <Upu> sorry
[20:52] <Upu> PC just hung
[20:52] <Upu> no
[20:53] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/9YRUGeKS
[20:53] <Upu> back in a sec
[20:59] <Upu> back
[21:00] <Upu> I just use a library which I think takes care of all that rjharrison
[21:02] <rjharrison> Ok cool
[21:02] <rjharrison> I have found a good library and i can store the ID's if I want to make sure I know which sensor I'm talking with
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[21:03] <Upu> I need to work that out
[21:03] <Upu> 23.5'C there tonight ? :)
[21:03] <rjharrison> If I add more i'm not sure of the logic that works works out the sensor order
[21:03] <NigeyS> rjharrison,
[21:03] <rjharrison> it might be :-)
[21:03] <NigeyS> https://github.com/nigeysuk/ATS-1-HAB/blob/master/ATSRev1_3.pde
[21:03] <NigeyS> temp sensor code is in there, should be similar to what you need
[21:04] <Upu> Cheers will check it out
[21:05] <rjharrison> NigeyS Yeo that pretty much what I'm doing
[21:05] <Upu> where do you get the addresses from ?
[21:05] <NigeyS> there is a test example you run that gets the addresses
[21:06] <NigeyS> iirc its bundled with the onewire library
[21:06] <Upu> got a link to that ?
[21:06] <NigeyS> let me check
[21:08] <rjharrison> Yep that's what I did you can read the codes off the sensors if you have hawk eyes or just cut and paste :-0
[21:09] <NigeyS> Upu, http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/arduino_libraries/OneWire.zip
[21:10] <Upu> thanks
[21:10] <NigeyS> should be in the samples folder
[21:10] <Upu> give that a try sometime
[21:11] <Upu> RocketBoy about ?
[21:13] <rjharrison> Upu, you can see from the temp that i'm at the desk
[21:14] <Upu> yup
[21:14] <Upu> quick question whats wrong with this picture : http://www.speedtest.net/result/1397702961.png
[21:14] <Upu> sorry not that one
[21:14] <Upu> that now
[21:14] <Upu> http://speedtest.net/result/1355924219.png <-
[21:14] <Upu> 3pm on a Friday afternoon
[21:15] <fsphil> hehe, our entanet line is doing the same thing
[21:15] <Upu> vs the other one which is 22:15 on a Friday
[21:15] <fsphil> though I think it's more to do with our router
[21:15] <Upu> nah it snot
[21:15] <Upu> they don't have enough bandwidth
[21:15] <rjharrison> contention ratios
[21:15] <rjharrison> hum not at 3
[21:15] <Upu> We went to see them 6 months about about this, they assured us it would be fixed
[21:15] <fsphil> I did the speedtest with nothing plugged in but the laptop (connected via pppoe) and it was full speed
[21:16] <Upu> which is why we are moving 300 tails to Zen ... :)
[21:16] <Upu> when it runs slow fsphil try this :
[21:16] <Upu> set up a Putty SSH tunnel on port 5060 or port 53
[21:16] <Upu> and you get full speed
[21:16] <Upu> their traffic throttling / content management is tragic
[21:16] <fsphil> must do that
[21:17] <Upu> oh also use IPV6 they don't traffic manage that
[21:17] <fsphil> nobody at my place want to use ipv6
[21:17] <Upu> try the tunnel you'll see see what their issue is
[21:17] <Upu> they refuse to admit the issue though
[21:18] <fsphil> I'd the same problem with talk talk
[21:19] <fsphil> particularly with youtube -- they throttled it like mad
[21:20] <fsphil> but when I asked they said they didn't
[21:20] <rjharrison> upu do you want to try a bit of data
[21:20] <Darkside> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1397711289.png
[21:21] <rjharrison> up to you
[21:21] <Upu> I just need to walk dog
[21:21] <rjharrison> sure
[21:21] <Upu> in fact lets do it another night, sure the wife will just love the sound of SSTV when going to sleep :)
[21:21] <rjharrison> Ye[
[21:21] <rjharrison> p
[21:21] <rjharrison> soulds like a better plan
[21:22] <rjharrison> TBH i'm ready for bed
[21:22] <Upu> btw
[21:22] <Upu> your sensors seem to read what I would expect them to read
[21:22] <fsphil> *dooodledoodleedoooo screech screech screech .... *
[21:22] <Upu> mine and someone elses all seem to read +4'c on the true temp
[21:22] <Upu> compared to RTTY which think is actually quite nice SSTV is nasty
[21:22] <rjharrison> Oh they are working fine and have been for years. Just they are ds1821's no roms on own pins
[21:23] <Upu> sounds like a Moss car alarm sometime
[21:23] <Upu> ok dog is bothering
[21:23] <Upu> back soon
[21:23] <NigeyS> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1397713933.png
[21:23] <NigeyS> weee
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1397713945.png
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> meh
[21:23] <NigeyS> i'm grade A woohoo .. lol
[21:23] <Darkside> NigeyS: oh you bastard
[21:23] <NigeyS> lol
[21:23] <Darkside> how?
[21:24] <NigeyS> 50mb virgin media connection :)
[21:24] <Darkside> fibre?
[21:24] <NigeyS> yups
[21:24] <Darkside> noice
[21:24] <NigeyS> they start 100mb here soon :D
[21:24] <fsphil> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1397715268.png
[21:25] <fsphil> my bottleneck is the wrt54gl
[21:25] <fsphil> it can't do much more than 20mb
[21:25] <NigeyS> ahh, that ping looks a lil high to
[21:25] <Darkside> hmm i might go along to evensong tomorrow night and listen to the choir
[21:25] <Darkside> at the bath abbey
[21:26] <NigeyS> bath abbey is a beautiful place btw
[21:26] <Darkside> yeah
[21:26] <rjharrison> http://speedtest.net/result/1397715378.png how bad is that
[21:26] <Darkside> i haven't been inside yet
[21:27] <Darkside> i plan to do that tomorrow
[21:27] <NigeyS> you must!
[21:27] <NigeyS> rjharrison, dialup? lol
[21:28] <rjharrison> NigeyS, it bloody should be at those rates
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: I point you at mine earlier
[21:28] <NigeyS> lol
[21:28] <rjharrison> It meant to be business broadband static ip at 28 pounds per month
[21:28] <NigeyS> :o id complain big time!
[21:28] <rjharrison> Yep empath with you SpeedEvil
[21:28] <rjharrison> empathy
[21:29] <NigeyS> Darkside, have you been to the roman baths yet ?
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
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[21:31] <Darkside> NigeyS: not inside, no
[21:31] <Darkside> its on my to-do list
[21:31] <NigeyS> oooh good! take plenty of pics :D
[21:31] <NigeyS> evening james
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[21:36] <Upu> you need FTTC Rob
[21:36] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[21:36] <Upu> mine was 0.75/0.45 before
[21:37] <rjharrison> FTTC
[21:37] <Upu> fibre to cab
[21:37] <rjharrison> yep
[21:37] <Upu> http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=29017
[21:37] <rjharrison> That is what i need
[21:37] <Upu> stick your phone number in
[21:38] <Upu> 8Mb up from here, to my 10Mb office leased line is great :)
[21:40] <Upu> I like the NOTAM : UPPER : Unlimited
[21:40] <Upu> damn straight :)
[21:41] <NigeyS> oh it came through ?
[21:42] <Upu> yeah I'm all NOTAM'd up
[21:42] <Upu> 3PM :)
[21:43] <NigeyS> oh i found it on the notam map
[21:43] <NigeyS> there a battle of britain flight close by too
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[21:46] <fsphil> that map is neat
[21:47] <Darkside> nn all
[21:47] <NigeyS> nn Darkside
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[22:07] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:08] <rjharrison> hi jcoxon
[22:08] <rjharrison> hows it going?
[22:08] <jcoxon> tired, insane day
[22:08] <rjharrison> Work ot pleasure?
[22:08] <jcoxon> work
[22:09] <rjharrison> Anyone played with the mobile on google today?
[22:09] <rjharrison> You specialising any where ATM
[22:09] <rjharrison> or rotating still
[22:09] <jcoxon> still rotating
[22:09] <rjharrison> any areas of interest
[22:09] <rjharrison> other than HAB
[22:09] <rjharrison> :-)
[22:09] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:09] <jcoxon> medicine
[22:09] <jcoxon> maybe palliative care
[22:10] <rjharrison> oh not a popular choice. a good frind of mine did that for a while but it got to her in the end
[22:10] <jcoxon> its pretty tough
[22:11] <jcoxon> will have to see
[22:11] <jcoxon> need to make it through the weekend first!
[22:11] <rjharrison> Well they never get better but at least you send then off as best you can
[22:11] <rjharrison> Stroke the google mobile for a bit
[22:13] <jcoxon> stroke the google mobile?
[22:13] <rjharrison> www.gogole.com
[22:13] <jcoxon> oh i see
[22:17] <jcoxon> finally got my max1555 lipo charger actually working
[22:17] <jcoxon> needed decoupling caps
[22:17] <rjharrison> ahh
[22:17] <rjharrison> is this for Trans A solar charging?
[22:18] <jcoxon> nah super-pressure tests
[22:18] <rjharrison> What size balloons
[22:18] <rjharrison> I was hunting some the other day
[22:18] <jcoxon> 36inch foil
[22:19] <jcoxon> payload is 36g just missing insulation
[22:19] <rjharrison> ahh I was hoping for somthing a bit larger on the SP front 5m^3
[22:19] <jcoxon> you'd have to make them
[22:21] <rjharrison> Hum heat sealed foil baloons
[22:23] <rjharrison> hehe just rememebred the lead balloon from last year
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[22:34] <rjharrison> The start of idea begins to form http://balloonkits.com/pages/instructions.html
[22:36] <Upu> nice
[22:37] <rjharrison> a nice 5m^3 balloon would be an interesting experiment.
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[22:44] <Upu> right I'm off
[22:44] <Upu> fingers crossed the winds change
[22:44] <Upu> night all
[22:44] <rjharrison> crossed
[22:44] <rjharrison> nights for me too
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