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[01:10] <Hibby> Yay thunder
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[10:09] <fsphil> yeesh, car insurance is expensive
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[10:21] <Laurenceb> how old are you?
[10:21] <Laurenceb> if you dont mind me asking :P
[10:21] <fsphil> lol - 31, ancient :p
[10:21] <m1x10_happiest> hi all
[10:21] <Laurenceb> should be cheap
[10:21] <fsphil> I'm late to the whole driving thing
[10:21] <m1x10_happiest> phil 31?
[10:21] <Laurenceb> im 25 and the price has dropped massively
[10:21] <fsphil> yea
[10:22] <m1x10_happiest> !
[10:22] <fsphil> didn't you see the walking stick? ;)
[10:22] <Laurenceb> get off his lawn
[10:23] <Laurenceb> im sure we have older people in the channel, dont worry
[10:24] <Laurenceb> iirc i can get insured for a few hundered
[10:25] <GW8RAK> I can barely remember being 31
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[10:25] <fsphil> I think it's fairly high cause I'm still a newbie driver
[10:25] <russss> one of my friends is 31 and he just got insurance which cost over £1500
[10:25] <NigeyS> morniiiiiiiiiiiiing
[10:25] <NigeyS> \p/
[10:26] <russss> partially because he's been in the US for a few years and that doesn't count towards his no-claims
[10:26] <GW8RAK> I think most new drivers are around £1500.
[10:26] <fsphil> yea that's about what I'm seeing
[10:26] <Laurenceb> depends on the car
[10:26] <Laurenceb> i was quoted £350 for an old corsa
[10:26] <fsphil> cheapest possible lol
[10:27] <Laurenceb> i should probably get a car
[10:27] <Laurenceb> too lazy atm :(
[10:27] <fsphil> I was too lazy to get one before
[10:27] <russss> yeah, I haven't driven for 8 years
[10:28] <NigeyS> get a bike, its cheaper!
[10:28] <russss> not a huge amount of need in London
[10:28] <Laurenceb> when i last looked it was massively dependant on age
[10:28] <NigeyS> orange crush :D \o/
[10:28] <russss> but it's annoying when sometimes it would be useful to rent a car.
[10:28] <Laurenceb> >£2500 if i was 18
[10:28] <GW8RAK> fsphil, is Slieve Croob anywhere near you?
[10:28] <Laurenceb> <500 if you are much above 20
[10:29] <Laurenceb> cheapest insurance+cheapest car
[10:29] <fsphil> name's not familiar, though I don't know half the names around here... *googles*
[10:30] <fsphil> it's about an hour away
[10:30] <GW8RAK> I noticed that GI6ATZ is planning to be testing some microwave gear from the top tomorrow.
[10:30] <fsphil> about 30 miles
[10:30] <GW8RAK> Or if you are interested in microwaves, he could be a good guy to make contact with.
[10:31] <fsphil> will do!
[10:31] <fsphil> any idea what frequency he's using? if it's low enough the funcube dongle might manage
[10:31] <GW8RAK> 10GHz
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[10:33] <Laurenceb> the top?
[10:33] <fsphil> way too high for my puny hardware. I must give him a shout, see what he's using
[10:34] <GW8RAK> GI0GDP is also involved.
[10:35] <Laurenceb> use an lnb?
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[10:36] <fsphil> that's a good spot they're using, it has a clear view of the irish sea
[10:36] <GW8RAK> The 10GHz ATV gear I have uses an lnb with a tuneable satellite rx box. Works well on tv, but need to try it on wideband fm. Most microwavers use narrowband these bands, which makes it expensive for new comers.
[10:37] <GW8RAK> I'm not keen enough to spend £600 or more just to try out a band.
[10:37] <fsphil> yea
[10:37] <GW8RAK> At least Bolton radio club are doing some WBFM tests and I want to try a contact with them. Line of sight from near home.
[10:37] <GW8RAK> WBFM should cost around £50 to get going plus a few hours construction
[10:38] <GW8RAK> Got the bits, just need time.
[10:38] <fsphil> and another few hours fixing it cause I made it wrong :)
[10:38] <fsphil> bbl
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[10:48] <simhed> is there an easy way to pass data from dl-fldigi to external application? where should i start looking..?
[10:48] <Randomskk> it has an xml-rpc interface
[10:50] <simhed> ok.. that's something
[10:53] <Laurenceb> check my sdr code for an example
[10:54] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:cc_1020_sdr_r.tar.gz
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[11:01] <simhed> is it me, or is the archive corrupted?
[11:01] <simhed> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
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[11:03] <Laurenceb> sigh
[11:03] <Laurenceb> why does everything break
[11:04] <Laurenceb> ubuntu?
[11:04] <Laurenceb> try 'open with archive mounter'
[11:05] <Randomskk> simhed: did you ungzip it before trying to untar it?
[11:05] <simhed> trying, thanks
[11:05] <simhed> i sure did
[11:05] <simhed> even tried gzip -d hack for fixing archive
[11:05] <Laurenceb> i get the same error, but 'open with archive mounter' works
[11:06] <Laurenceb> very odd
[11:06] <simhed> i am text only
[11:06] <Randomskk> it works fine for me
[11:06] <simhed> but will try something else..
[11:06] <Randomskk> "tar xvf sdr.tar.gz"
[11:06] <Randomskk> make rename it to remove the colon
[11:06] <Randomskk> or re-download
[11:07] <Laurenceb> but yeah thats using xml-rpc to use the fldigi tuning control to adjust pll settings on the sdr
[11:07] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/sdr.tar.gz is the extracted folder re-archived
[11:08] <simhed> ok
[11:08] <simhed> extracted it now
[11:08] <simhed> thanks Randomskk
[11:08] <Laurenceb> autotune.py
[11:08] <simhed> Laurenceb: cheers, i'll have a look at the code
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[11:29] <fsphil> reminds me, was look at adding an rpc call to grab the last decoded string
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[11:49] <edmoore> jonsowman or Randomskk ping
[11:50] <M0JSN> hi edmoore
[11:50] <edmoore> yo
[11:50] <M0JSN> how are things
[11:50] <edmoore> can you do me a favour?
[11:50] <M0JSN> sure, what's up
[11:50] <edmoore> I need my cusf dokuwiki password reset
[11:50] <edmoore> and sent to my gmail
[11:50] <M0JSN> sec
[11:51] <edmoore> ta
[11:52] <M0JSN> edmoore: done
[11:54] <edmoore> thanks
[11:54] <M0JSN> no problem
[11:54] <edmoore> all well?
[11:55] <M0JSN> yep fine thanks, working at the moment
[11:55] <M0JSN> you?
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[11:57] <edmoore> same
[11:58] <edmoore> i think the wiki has lost some sshadt stuff
[11:58] <edmoore> nvm
[11:58] <M0JSN> :\ h?
[11:58] <M0JSN> *oh
[11:58] <M0JSN> how's work?
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[12:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=102186381
[12:17] <Laurenceb> nice footage
[12:20] <Laurenceb> not sure about the music
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[12:37] <fsphil> any recommendations for a good command line program for dealing with git merge conflicts? something that shows me the differences side by side?
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[12:38] <Randomskk> vimdiff?
[12:38] <Randomskk> usually I use graphical editors for that though
[12:38] <Randomskk> of which there are loads of good ones
[12:38] <Randomskk> (or github)
[12:39] <WillDuckworth> kdiff is reasonable too
[12:39] <fsphil> I started up vimdiff but it's .. odd
[12:39] <Randomskk> kdiff isn't command line, though
[12:39] <Randomskk> (but is very nice as a graphical one)
[12:40] <fsphil> I might wait and try kdiff when I get home then
[12:40] <WillDuckworth> true
[12:40] <Randomskk> X forwrading!
[12:40] <Randomskk> forwarding!
[12:40] <fsphil> well I'm using irc through vnc atm :) -- to slow though
[12:40] <fsphil> too
[12:41] <Randomskk> ah
[12:41] <Randomskk> use ssh and x forwarding :P
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[12:41] <fsphil> tried that once :)
[12:41] <fsphil> just once
[12:42] <fsphil> no-machines forwarding works well, but it's a royal pain to setup
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[13:10] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2e19f6a6e8e4df7655aea78ca63f759415ba1375
[13:10] <Upu> Land in Bradford :)
[13:10] <Upu> no ta
[13:13] <fsphil> eeu
[13:13] <fsphil> that's not so good
[13:14] <fsphil> still time though
[13:14] <fsphil> how long does your notam last?
[13:14] <Upu> don't have one yet
[13:14] <Upu> just mailed him
[13:15] <Upu> Its only for Sunday morning
[13:15] <Upu> anyway so who knows..
[13:15] <Upu> that prediciton is changing wildly at the moment
[13:19] <fsphil> I've seen them change right up until the morning of the launch
[13:19] <fsphil> though that doesn't happen too often
[13:19] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=db17922e55fc6687a1ebfb8245c937f243f0c45e
[13:19] <NigeyS> meh splashdown for picochu if i wasnt going away!
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[13:30] <Zuph> Morning all.
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[13:58] <Upu> I will issue the permission and NOTAM as soon as possible. This is a very busy time of year, which means that some applications do not get processed until shortly before the event. Please be assured that I will e-mail you as soon as it is done. Sorry for the delay.
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[13:58] <Upu> I think that means I'm getting it
[13:58] <Randomskk> wow, that's a surprisingly apologetic email
[13:59] <M0JSN> he's not that polite to me :P
[13:59] <Randomskk> you harass him daily until he issues it in every way you can, no surprise :P
[13:59] <M0JSN> yes, I do do that a bit
[13:59] <Upu> I was very polite to him
[14:02] <Randomskk> oh we still need to sort out that notam thing
[14:02] <M0JSN> oh yes
[14:02] <Randomskk> by we I suppose I mean I
[14:03] <M0JSN> well, someone
[14:09] <Randomskk> oh god so many merge conflicts
[14:09] <Randomskk> stupid divergent development trees
[14:10] <Randomskk> oh god
[14:10] <Randomskk> "your branch and github/master have diverged, and have 13 and 23 different commits each, respectively"
[14:10] <fsphil> know the feeling
[14:10] <Randomskk> where did I go wrong D:
[14:10] <Randomskk> oh right
[14:11] <Randomskk> haha this is also because I rewrote history a bit on the github one
[14:11] <Randomskk> I think just hard reset
[14:16] <M0JSN> brb
[14:17] <fsphil> what's odd about the fldigi merge is that most of the conflicts where not in files we even changed
[14:18] <fsphil> wonder if upstream made a mistake somewhere
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[14:22] <Randomskk> fsphil: meld is really good actually
[14:22] <Randomskk> better than kdiff I think
[14:22] <Randomskk> as a graphical diff program, tha tis
[14:22] <Randomskk> that is*
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[14:26] <fsphil> will give that a try too
[14:26] <fsphil> editing it directly is a pain
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[15:49] <W0OTM> howdy
[15:52] <fsphil> howdy paartner :)
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[15:53] <hibby> hola
[15:54] <mattltm> Hibby! How the devil are you?
[15:54] <fsphil> hibby's the devil? I knew it!
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[15:54] <mattltm> lol.
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[15:55] <hibby> lol
[15:55] <hibby> bored, lol.
[15:55] <hibby> you?
[15:56] <mattltm> bored and stuck at work :(
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[15:56] <hibby> hahah
[15:57] <hibby> they just wont let me work
[15:57] <fsphil> that's a pretty unique situation to be in
[15:58] <hibby> indeed
[15:58] <hibby> still having expenses covered
[15:59] <hibby> theyve agreed my credit card bill will count as expnses
[15:59] <hibby> oh. someone has been shot at uni cincinnati. lovely.
[16:00] <hibby> "lost a tremendous amount of blood"
[16:01] <hibby> and another excessive heat warning today
[16:01] <hibby> 102f
[16:01] <hibby> :/
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[16:02] <fsphil> not sure what that is, but I'm not sure it matters with that sort of number :)
[16:02] <fsphil> 39C holy cow
[16:02] <fsphil> and people live there?
[16:02] <hibby> aye
[16:03] <hibby> 75% humid too
[16:03] <hibby> hottest summer in decades apparently. great time for the pale, curling fan scotsman to come
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[16:04] <hibby> charities are literally giving out air con.
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[16:05] <fsphil> have you got air con where you are?
[16:05] <hibby> aye
[16:05] <Laurenceb> what the hell
[16:05] <Laurenceb> temperature range -32C to +43C
[16:06] <hibby> its SO hot outside
[16:06] <Laurenceb> thats extreme
[16:06] <Darkside> lolut
[16:06] <Darkside> 17 degrees here
[16:08] <hibby> 17 sounds heavenly
[16:08] <Darkside> heh
[16:08] <Laurenceb> Darkside: your in the uk?
[16:08] <hibby> its not even that cool at night
[16:08] <Darkside> yes
[16:08] <Darkside> Bath University
[16:09] <Darkside> i've been doing lots and lots of PCB design
[16:09] <Darkside> yaay
[16:10] <Darkside> 9x9cm pcb which is going into space
[16:10] <hibby> yum
[16:10] <Laurenceb> Darkside: what doing?
[16:11] <Darkside> heading otu to dinner
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[16:11] <Laurenceb> heh
[16:11] <Laurenceb> are you doing a course?
[16:14] <WillDuckworth> Hey Darkside, what gps are you using?
[16:14] <hibby> we are all excited by the new amair purchase
[16:15] <hibby> as the engines are made here
[16:17] <fsphil> I met an English teach today, surname McMath
[16:17] <fsphil> teacher
[16:17] Action: fsphil is easily amused
[16:18] <hibby> lol
[16:18] <fsphil> at school our design teacher was called Mr Thick
[16:18] <WillDuckworth> dammit - missed him again
[16:19] <hibby> lol
[16:20] <fsphil> shouldn't laugh - some day I might get a job with sea birds
[16:21] <hibby> i see lots of birds
[16:21] <fsphil> cool, another moon discovered around Pluto - that's four
[16:23] <hibby> tasty
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[16:24] <hibby> dangit, wanted to talk to him
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[17:07] <cgddrd> Hello Everyone..
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[17:09] <cgddrd> I could do with a hand regrad DL-FLDIGI if anyone has expericnce in this?
[17:09] <cgddrd> regarding*
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> Not directly - others may be around - what's your issue?
[17:14] <cgddrd> Well basically i have a fully functioning flight computer for a HAB i am working on.. and i can successfully trasmit and ecode the data over long range radio using DL-FLDIGI..
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[17:15] <cgddrd> ..however, I need to now try and interface with DL-FLDIGI to allow a small c# program i am writing to take the decoded data from DL-FLDIGI, so it can throw it into google earth or an equivalent...
[17:17] <cgddrd> ..but i am struggling to find to a way to properly interface with DL-FLDIGI, i know there is some kind of TCP socket interface, but cannot seem to get this to work..
[17:17] <cgddrd> i was just wondering if anyone on heere and successfully managed to interface to DL-FLDIGI using the TCP socket interface?
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> you know about the tracker?
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> Usually dl-fldigi posts data to this site - and it does all sorts of shinyness like showing predicted paths live.
[17:18] <cgddrd> Vaguely yes.. but i am not sure how to get this to work either at the moment haha...
[17:19] <cgddrd> Pembrokeshire I am based..
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> And allowing others to upload tracks for you
[17:19] <Randomskk> cgddrd: https://gist.github.com/674384
[17:20] <Randomskk> though yes, usually dl-fldigi uploads the extracted telemetry strings to the tracker website, which puts them on a google maps thing
[17:20] <Randomskk> which is the usual way to do it. writing your own code to extract the information from fldigi is certainly an option, but...
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> The tracker isn't showing how it works well right now, as it's been cleared.
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> Or you can simply setup a server, and change the IP
[17:21] <Randomskk> well that's not "simple"
[17:21] <Randomskk> at all >_>
[17:21] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/tracker/ has some tracks on it
[17:21] <Randomskk> click 'Pan To' on one of the other payloads
[17:21] <cgddrd> Ahh i see.. Thankyou SpeedEvil and Randomskk :)
[17:21] <cgddrd> i'm looking now..
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> I mean a server to take the data - alone
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> but - i fyou use the tracker, then you let eothers easily track your flight too - redundancy is good
[17:23] <cgddrd> would be able to give me some DL-FLDIGI config settings at all in how to interface with the tracker?
[17:23] <cgddrd> if you have any that is haha
[17:23] <Randomskk> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[17:26] <cgddrd> ahh.. hang on.. i think i may have just got the gist of it now haha
[17:27] <cgddrd> in DL-FLDIGI under DL-Client in the config window, you can change the server..
[17:27] <cgddrd> at the moment it is set to: http://robertharrison.org/listen/listen.php
[17:27] <Randomskk> yea leave it at that though
[17:27] <cgddrd> oh right ok
[17:27] <Randomskk> then it'l go through to spacenear.us/tracker
[17:27] <cgddrd> oh i see
[17:27] <cgddrd> so just leave that well alone haha?
[17:27] <Randomskk> you need to be transmitting your telemetry in the normal format
[17:28] <cgddrd> as in the format icarus uses?
[17:28] <Randomskk> like $$PAYLOADNAME,18:27:55,54.1234,-0.54,....*ABCD
[17:28] <Randomskk> yea
[17:28] <Randomskk> sure
[17:28] <Randomskk> and then you just need to have a config doc on the server for your payload name
[17:28] <Randomskk> if your payload name is icarus you are probably okay already
[17:28] <Randomskk> if you're using an icarus PCB, but have changed the name, it's fairly easy to set that up
[17:28] <cgddrd> ahh i see..
[17:28] <cgddrd> i am using the icarus pcb yes..
[17:28] <Randomskk> if it's your own set of fields and stuff, you can generate the required document here: http://habhub.org/genpayload
[17:29] <cgddrd> but i haven't changed the name yet ha
[17:29] <cgddrd> thankyou
[17:29] <Randomskk> if you haven't changed the name yet then it should all just work and go on /tracker
[17:29] <Randomskk> as icarus
[17:29] <cgddrd> brilliant
[17:29] <cgddrd> thankyou for all your help Randomskk..
[17:29] <cgddrd> and to you also SpeedEvil
[17:29] <Randomskk> no problem
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:30] <Randomskk> this is pretty much the channel to ask for help with any of that stuff on
[17:30] <cgddrd> hahaha yeh good point ha
[17:30] <cgddrd> also if you don't mind me asking..
[17:30] <cgddrd> a second ago Randomskk you entered an example RTTY string..
[17:30] <cgddrd> can i ask what the "*ABCD" bit on the end was?
[17:31] <cgddrd> because i do not have that on my recieved strings from the board?
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> checksum
[17:31] <cgddrd> received*
[17:31] <jkominar> so what's the prevailing wisdom with respect to attaching the load line to the payload? Do you tie the balloon to the passive chute and then attach the chute to the payload? or would you connect the load line to the payload directly and then just feed it through the chute?
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> feed through seems common
[17:32] <Randomskk> cgddrd: you definitely should have it from an icarus board, it's the checksum and is quite important
[17:32] <cgddrd> right..
[17:32] <Randomskk> jkominar: usually something like payload -- 10m line -- parachute -- 20m line -- balloon
[17:32] <jkominar> so if it's fed through, do you attach the parachute to the line with tape or something to keep it from covering your payload on the way up?
[17:32] <Randomskk> uhm
[17:33] <Randomskk> usually it's more like
[17:33] <Randomskk> payload
[17:33] <Randomskk> some rope that ties to the parachute
[17:33] <Randomskk> to the parachute's rigging, that is
[17:33] <Randomskk> the cords going through its holes and stuff
[17:33] <Randomskk> then another rope that goes from the apex of the parachute to the balloon
[17:33] <jkominar> ok ... so in that case, the actual lift force from the balloon goes to the chute, not the payload directly.
[17:34] <cgddrd> well i'm using the source code robert harrison gives to use on the atmel chip for the board i have..
[17:34] <cgddrd> so should the code for the checksum be in there?
[17:34] <Randomskk> sure, the chute is on the load line. there are other ways of doing it, too, like you might tie the cord to the parachute's rigging and have that go to both balloon and payload
[17:34] <cgddrd> or have i missed something somewhere else?
[17:34] <Randomskk> cgddrd: uhm, I'm not sure. you should probably ask rjharrison. it should work?
[17:35] <cgddrd> ok no problem.
[17:35] <cgddrd> Thanks again for all your help :)
[17:36] <Randomskk> np
[17:36] <cgddrd> but we are saying that it should be the atmel chip on the board generating the checksum yes?
[17:36] <cgddrd> just to clarify?
[17:37] <Randomskk> yea
[17:37] <cgddrd> okie dokie
[17:37] <cgddrd> thanks again.
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[18:13] <fsphil> aaah home sweet home
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[18:24] <BrainDamage> 127.0.0.1 ?
[18:26] <fsphil> ::1 :)
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[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> good evening
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil GW8RAK Dan-K2VOL
[18:55] <GW8RAK> Evening Lunar_Lander.
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[18:55] <fsphil> hi hi lunar
[18:56] <GW8RAK> Enjoying the summer now that the rain has stopped for more than 2 hours.
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK I'm going to ask the question about the electron generator to someone who knows about GCs
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> if that is OK with you
[18:57] <GW8RAK> Absolutely.
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:57] <GW8RAK> I used to be a technical specialist for GC with Philips, but it was a long time ago
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> what I found so far was a question where someone had the opportunity to have been given a broken GC
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> and he asked if he may take that one home, as it contained an ECD
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> with Ni-66 of course
[18:59] <GW8RAK> Interesting. A scrap ECD with source. They were becoming tightly controlled years ago, so by now they must be like state secrets
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:59] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> what was the other one that came with it
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> FID I think
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan
[19:00] <GW8RAK> FID was standard, but there was also FPD for detecting sulphur and nitrogen specific detectors.
[19:00] <GW8RAK> The thermal conductivity detector responded to all compounds.
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:01] <GW8RAK> I wish I could remember the name of the other device I worked on with the ECD. It was basically an ECD with air pumped through it and there would be a change in current if certain chemicals were present.
[19:02] <GW8RAK> I thought it would make a good explosives detector, did some research and found that it was already being used for that purpose.
[19:02] <GW8RAK> Got told not to publicise it at the time :)
[19:04] <GW8RAK> But that needed a control sample, to calibrate against. I suppose it, or the ECD would produce a profile of electron capturing chemicals with increasing altitude.
[19:04] <GW8RAK> Woudl be an interesting experiment.
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> as you wrote it in the group back then
[19:05] <GW8RAK> It's a pity people take offence at Ni-676 sources falling out of the sky.
[19:06] <GW8RAK> Ni-66
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> and Pm-147 as well
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> for the betasonde densitometer
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[19:18] <Darkside> aaaand back 'home' again
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[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK soon I'll have a GPS module and then I have my basic payload ready
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> but then the sensorics are the next part to do
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> I intend to have a light sensor in the spot of a light source and a luxmeter next to it
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> and thus to get which output of the sensor is the brightness in Lux
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
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[19:59] <griffonbot> Received email: Neil Baker "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference - request for presentations"
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[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> GW8RAK?
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[20:35] <fsphil> brrr it's got cold here
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> with snow? ;)
[20:35] <fsphil> haha, not that bad .... yet :)
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> isn't it in Southern Ireland that they have Cocos trees and stuff?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> because of the Gulf Stream
[20:41] <fsphil> they've got palm trees
[20:41] <fsphil> there's a few up here too
[20:42] <fsphil> but they don't grow naturally I think.. they're usually planted
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and cows
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and fields
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and farmers eating butter
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> (that is what I see about Ireland in butter commercials)
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:43] <fsphil> not far from the truth lol
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:44] <fsphil> certainly lots of cows, fields and farmers
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD btw
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I was listening to BFBS on my Stabo scanner
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> and suddenly it made machine-gun noises xD
[20:44] <fsphil> BFBS?
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> British Forces Broadcasting Station
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> can be received here on 103.0 MHz
[20:48] <fsphil> (showing clips from the very first episode of top gear in bbc four atm :)
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah BBC is hard to get here
[20:49] <fsphil> the show's a lot older than I thought
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> it's on ASTRA 2D
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> and the footprint of the spotbeam is on the british islands
[20:49] <fsphil> tis indeed -- it's spot beamed
[20:49] <fsphil> yea
[20:49] <fsphil> is it strong enough to receive there?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> someone told me, that the BBC would like to see a solution where the continent doesn't get the signal
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> I haven't tried but I read something about 2 m dishes
[20:50] <fsphil> yep - hope that doesn't happen
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> I don't think that is possible
[20:50] <fsphil> one of the things that I loved about analogue satellite was all the german stations
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> when I look at footprint maps, the edges go very far
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> the people on the Canaries can get ASTRA 1
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah fsphil
[20:51] <fsphil> and radio stations .. I used to listen to n-joy radio a lot
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> YAY!
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> haha
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> the ASTRA website doesn't let me select 2D
[20:56] <fsphil> cheeky
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah, now
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> 75 cm dish
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah 2.5 m was for getting the sat in Berlin
[21:00] <fsphil> I can manage 2D with a 40cm dish, but only just
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:06] <rjharrison> Who said there aren't child sweat shops in the UK? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/5959163154/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[21:06] <rjharrison> Pyro manufacture
[21:07] <fsphil> LOL
[21:07] <fsphil> awww
[21:08] <rjharrison> hehe
[21:09] <NigeyS> lol rjharrison !
[21:10] <rjharrison> a few more from the sweat shop http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/
[21:11] <rjharrison> upu http://robertharrison.org/images/cutdown/
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[21:12] <Darkside> lol
[21:12] <Darkside> nn all
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[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi rjharrison NigeyS
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> you won't guess what I just watched
[21:23] <rjharrison> Lunar_Lander go on
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> a video in which Richard Dawkinds reads hate e-mails
[21:23] <NigeyS> hi kev
[21:23] <rjharrison> lol
[21:23] <NigeyS> haha bet he has a fair few
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxdxZ47JouU
[21:25] <NigeyS> This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
[21:25] <NigeyS> Sorry about that.
[21:25] <NigeyS> wtf........
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I saw that so often
[21:25] <fsphil> haha
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> Channel 4 blocking stuff in the UK
[21:26] <fsphil> that happened me before too
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYsREU906fw
[21:26] <NigeyS> nice of them :/
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> does this one work?
[21:26] <NigeyS> nup
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> oh damn
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> but I can tell you
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> the best sentence is
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> "your famed intelligence is nothing more than the fart of God"
[21:27] <NigeyS> lol
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> "HAHA you f****ing dumbass, I hope you get hit by a Church Fan tonight and you die slowly!"
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> Van, not Fan
[21:30] <NigeyS> lol
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZuowNcuGsc does this one work?
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> but that one is without the funny beeps
[21:31] <NigeyS> ah that works
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD the two guys behind the cam are awesome
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> LOL I clicked on another video
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> and on the new video, there is the following suggestion to the right
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> "Fox News: 'Heaven is for Real'"
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[21:57] Action: jcoxon is about to dead bug solder a max1555
[21:57] <jcoxon> wish me luck
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> tssop?
[21:57] <jcoxon> sot23 but i'm crap at soldering
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> sot23?!
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> i laugh at sot23 muhahahaha
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> just try and keep steady hands
[22:01] Action: fsphil crosses fingers
[22:02] <Upu> yikes just found a bug , altitude was a long but I had ALTITUDE=(int) (strtod(GPS_DATA_VALUES,NULL));
[22:03] <fsphil> close call!
[22:03] <Upu> yeah another stupid one
[22:03] <fsphil> would've been a quick descent from 32.768km :)
[22:03] <Upu> if I get that high
[22:03] <Upu> using a 1000g balloon
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[22:13] <jcoxon> fsphil, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5958791319/in/photostream
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[22:15] <fsphil> nice
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[22:19] <Upu> that last flight that floated
[22:19] <Upu> what was the average accent/decent when it was in a float condition
[22:20] <Upu> +/- 1m/s ?
[22:20] <Upu> or is Steve Randalls flight data from Xaben anywhere ?
[22:23] <fsphil> about that I think
[22:24] <fsphil> though it could be gps noise too
[22:24] <Upu> thats what I'm trying to code up
[22:24] <Upu> so it can detect a float condition
[22:29] <jcoxon> Upu, https://github.com/jamescoxon/Atlas-Flight-Computer/blob/master/ngps21/ngps21.pde#L259
[22:29] <Upu> oh nice one thanks
[22:30] <Upu> yes I was going to do a timer too
[22:30] <jcoxon> do you want float?
[22:30] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[22:30] <rjharrison> Preerably not
[22:30] <rjharrison> Preferably
[22:30] <Upu> no
[22:31] <Upu> writing code to blow pyro if float is detected
[22:31] <Upu> 83 / 89 / 79 / 81 Average VR : 83 Flight Status : A
[22:31] <Upu> -1043 / 83 / 89 / 79 Average VR : -198 Flight Status : P
[22:31] <Upu> -888 / -1043 / 83 / 89 Average VR : -439 Flight Status : D
[22:31] <Upu> detects a burst atm
[22:31] <Upu> from a rolling average of the vertical rate
[22:31] <rjharrison> Upu seemed to get +- 100m
[22:31] <Upu> but I'll pick up on this tommorrow getting knackered now
[22:31] <Upu> ok cheers Rob
[22:32] <Upu> I might see if I can get the data from the Xaben flight and feed it in
[22:32] <rjharrison> jcoxon did you see the sweat shop pic
[22:32] <Upu> anyway thx for QSO earlier and thx jcoxon for that code
[22:32] <rjharrison> I can email you a graph of float if you like
[22:33] <Upu> it it has the altitudes recorded on it, I want to play them back to the flight computers and check it does what I expect
[22:33] <Upu> would be useful
[22:33] <rjharrison> goog idea
[22:33] <rjharrison> I have the data if you want it
[22:33] <Upu> yes please
[22:33] <Upu> would be very useful
[22:34] <Upu> raw NMEA or from the tracker would be perfect
[22:34] <rjharrison> taker
[22:34] <rjharrison> tracker one sec
[22:34] <Upu> perfect
[22:34] <jcoxon> rjharrison, what photo?
[22:34] <Upu> [22:06] <rjharrison> Who said there aren't child sweat shops in the UK? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/5959163154/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[22:35] <jcoxon> bless
[22:35] <rjharrison> Making pyros
[22:38] <jcoxon> does anyone have google+ invites?
[22:39] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/poll.php?callsign=xaben&lastid=0&format=HTML
[22:39] <rjharrison> Yes
[22:39] <Upu> perfect thx
[22:40] <jcoxon> rjharrison, is that an invite - can i be invited?
[22:40] <rjharrison> You're invited
[22:41] <rjharrison> Upu you can do format KML too
[22:41] <jcoxon> thanks!
[22:41] <Upu> is there a KML to NMEA convertor ?
[22:41] <rjharrison> sort of it's not one ot one
[22:42] <Upu> don't worry about it I can mash it together using Excel
[22:42] <rjharrison> But the stuff I put on your checks page should do it
[22:42] <Upu> many thanks
[22:42] <Upu> ok I'm calling it a night
[22:42] <Upu> bye!
[22:42] <rjharrison> nights bye
[22:42] <rjharrison> jcoxon did you get it?
[22:43] <rjharrison> i'm going to attend Upu's launch this w.e jcoxon
[22:43] <rjharrison> oh and steve and I are hoping to launch the following w/e too
[22:44] <rjharrison> jcoxon been busy http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/5958768377/in/photostream
[22:45] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah thanks
[22:45] <jcoxon> logged on just now
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[22:47] <rjharrison> right bed time for me too
[22:47] <rjharrison> nights all
[22:49] <rjharrison> BTW jcoxon upu and I are only 10 miles appart and he get clear decodes from my tracker when I have it powered up on my desk with no antenna attached
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