highaltitude.log.20110717

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[04:04] <Hibbage> Hola
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[04:26] <Hibbage> How goes?
[04:26] <Dan-K2VOL> not bad, that you Hibby?
[04:26] <Dan-K2VOL> workin late on the balloon and misc stuff at the hackerspace
[04:27] <Dan-K2VOL> tryin to get ready for MakerFaire
[04:27] <Dan-K2VOL> u?
[04:28] <Hibbage> Not up to much
[04:28] <Hibbage> Still not started work
[04:30] <Hibbage> Background checks and all
[04:30] <Hibbage> So my time is spent being leisurely.
[04:30] <Hibbage> Off to see the reds tomorrow and such
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[04:53] <Hibbage> Aye
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[05:24] <Dan-K2VOL> nice hibbage
[05:27] <Hibbage> Hows the maker Faire stuff coming along?
[05:28] <SamSilver> morning Dan
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[08:28] <fsphil> looks like ARISSat-1 is going to be pushed of the station in a few weeks
[08:43] <mattltm> Morning all :)
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[08:50] <fsphil> *looks outside* urg
[08:52] <mattltm> lol.
[08:52] <mattltm> Nice and sunny here today fsphil :)
[08:53] <rjharrison> urg here too
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[09:02] <fsphil> hmm.. almost all of the IR filters for sale are for passing the IR, and blocking visible light
[09:10] <mattltm> I thiught most webcams had an IR blocking filter in them?
[09:11] <mattltm> http://www.optics-online.com/irc.asp
[09:11] <mattltm> http://www.harrisontelescopes.co.uk/acatalog/Revelation_Infra_Red_Blocking_Filter_1.25_.html
[09:11] <mattltm> Looking for somthing like that?
[09:12] <GW8RAK> raintoday.co.uk does not look promising
[09:12] <fsphil> my google foo failed me, thanks mattltm. I was on that telescope site too
[09:13] <mattltm> lol. No probs.
[09:13] <mattltm> Take a look at this one too..... http://www.k3pgp.org/filter.htm
[09:16] <fsphil> I wonder... I've an old broken colour camera from the nest box, it couldn't see IR - I bet it has a filter in it
[09:17] <fsphil> finding the camera will be the trick
[09:17] <mattltm> Cood idea
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[09:34] <NigeyS> lalala its sunday......
[09:36] <fsphil> amen to that
[09:36] <NigeyS> hey phil
[09:36] <fsphil> morning sir.nigey
[09:36] <NigeyS> http://www.nigey.co.uk/ircstats/index-ha.html .... stats for highaltitude :)
[09:37] <SpeedEvil> Hey all.
[09:37] <fsphil> lovely quote lol
[09:37] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[09:37] <fsphil> morning Mr.Evil
[09:37] <NigeyS> lol yeah, squish in ear .. not saying a word!
[09:38] <NigeyS> have you seen ed's quote phil? lol
[09:38] <fsphil> yep lol
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> That's what - over a couple of days?
[09:38] <NigeyS> noo, 70 days
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> Bull.
[09:39] <NigeyS> During this 70-day reporting period
[09:39] <SpeedEvil> I haven't been logged in as SpeedEvil1 10* more often
[09:39] <NigeyS> botty@alpha:~/eggdrop/logs/ha$ ls
[09:39] <NigeyS> #highaltitude.log.20110509
[09:39] <NigeyS> date of the first log file
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[09:40] <NigeyS> it might be tracking ure host and just using the *1 nick for the stats
[09:40] <SpeedEvil> grep SpeedEvil 2011-0[5678]*|wc
[09:40] <SpeedEvil> 4387 45743 434754
[09:41] <rjharrison> user pic?
[09:41] <NigeyS> yeah, u can add pics
[09:41] <fsphil> woo, Dawn is successfully in orbit of Vesta
[09:41] <fsphil> no pics yet
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> rep -i SpeedEvil1 2011-0[5678]*|wc
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> 5 47 458
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> Something's screwy with the stats anyway
[09:41] <SpeedEvil> :) (dawn)
[09:41] <NigeyS> weird
[09:42] <SpeedEvil> Interesting anyway
[09:43] Action: SpeedEvil has just woken up a bit grumpy.
[09:43] <NigeyS> yup, forgot to turn them on for the daily cron so just ran it for the whole 70 days
[09:45] <NigeyS> Nobody beat anyone up. Everybody was friendly.
[09:45] <NigeyS> lol
[09:46] <mattltm> lol mattltm_alt random quote "Sorry for the bad news. :("
[09:46] <NigeyS> lol
[09:56] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil
[09:56] <NigeyS> botty@alpha:~/eggdrop/logs/ha$ grep -i SpeedEvil1 \#highaltitude.log.20110*|wc
[09:56] <NigeyS> 16 95 1421
[09:56] <NigeyS> :|
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[10:31] <NigeyS> morning james
[10:34] <jcoxon> morning
[10:34] <NigeyS> i didnt hear back from Bill before i left about the payload recovery :/
[10:35] <jcoxon> eek
[10:36] <NigeyS> Bill seemed convinved it would land on the roadway and not a pylon though
[10:36] <jcoxon> Payloads were recovered from a canal in Buttonwillow Park just west of the hydrogen energy plant....guessing that it floated down the canal for awhile.
[10:37] <NigeyS> ahh
[10:37] <NigeyS> better than being fried on a pylon i guess
[10:37] <rjharrison> Opps sounds bad
[10:37] <jcoxon> oh yes
[10:38] <jcoxon> well it can't of got tangled
[10:38] <rjharrison> water proof?
[10:38] <jcoxon> so thats key
[10:38] <NigeyS> hope so :|
[10:38] <fsphil> makes a change from a tree
[10:38] <NigeyS> lol
[10:38] <NigeyS> a pretty unlucky spot to land mind
[10:42] <jcoxon> depending on weather - might launch picoatlasIII in a week or so
[10:42] <fsphil> coolcomponents seems to have less stuff each time I visit
[10:42] <fsphil> yay
[10:42] <NigeyS> what freq is ure ntx2 james ?
[10:43] <jcoxon> 0.75
[10:43] <jcoxon> .075 sorry
[10:43] <NigeyS> oo mines .650 could try and get them both up on sunday ...
[10:43] <jcoxon> nah i'm on call on sunday
[10:43] <NigeyS> ach dam :(
[10:43] <mattltm> fsphil: and earthshine too :(
[10:44] <NigeyS> jcoxon, how does that on call thing work, you just stay at home and go if ure called ?
[10:44] <jcoxon> no i'll be in hospital for it
[10:44] <jcoxon> 12hr shifts
[10:44] <NigeyS> ah got ya
[10:44] <jcoxon> i'm on weekend days
[10:44] <NigeyS> 12 hrs :|
[10:45] <NigeyS> you must do like.. 60 hours a week?
[10:46] <jcoxon> well
[10:46] <jcoxon> not officiallly
[10:46] <jcoxon> its meant to balance out
[10:46] <NigeyS> oh i see
[10:47] <fsphil> the guy I sold the radio too was an on-call paramedic, worked some silly hours
[10:47] <jcoxon> yeah they do
[10:49] <fsphil> what weight have you got the total payload down too jcoxon?
[10:51] <Upu> I'm launching on Sunday weather/notam permitting NigeyS
[10:51] <NigeyS> if its anything less than 50g im renaming picochu to fattychu!
[10:51] <mattltm> lol
[10:51] <jcoxon> fsphil, well depends on the solar panel
[10:51] <NigeyS> nice 1 Upu ! morning / afternoon ?
[10:51] <jcoxon> smallest i can get it is 30g
[10:51] <Upu> morning
[10:51] <Upu> want a piggy back ?
[10:51] <NigeyS> great, be nice to see that pink beauty in the air!
[10:51] <Upu> yeah it is about time
[10:51] <fsphil> you could probably see it from where you are NigeyS
[10:52] <Upu> I'm on 434.075
[10:52] <NigeyS> lol
[10:52] <NigeyS> sounds good, ill know by thursday what time / where the launch is and let you know
[10:52] <rjharrison> jcoxon, can we launch without NOTAMS if balloon is within constraints?
[10:52] <jcoxon> in theory
[10:52] <rjharrison> ah!
[10:52] <jcoxon> not larger then 2m in all directions at all points of the flight
[10:53] <rjharrison> Have we tried that on DM @ CAA
[10:53] <jcoxon> well thats what is laid down in the rules
[10:54] <rjharrison> Yeah
[10:54] <rjharrison> I'm making some test flights for the common errors page
[10:54] <Upu> cool thanks
[10:54] <rjharrison> A flight around 0,0
[10:55] <Upu> Steve said he'd do a talk on how to use his linux stuff at the conference as well
[10:55] <jcoxon> rjharrison, it hasnt been run past DM, the times i've launched have been from Chu
[10:55] <rjharrison> Cool
[10:55] <mattltm> Im very impresed with this Venus gps module :)
[10:56] <rjharrison> Wasn't questioning really I didn't know we had launched any
[10:56] <mattltm> New firmware with cocom removed works nice :)
[10:56] <rjharrison> Any good alts
[10:56] <mattltm> 20hz update rate anyone?
[10:56] <fsphil> have you tested it mattltm?
[10:57] <NigeyS> rjharrison, you think i should hold off until we asked the caa about the 2m limit then ? :|
[10:57] <NigeyS> my understanding was that it was ok under 2m
[10:57] <rjharrison> Hey I'm not planning asking anything
[10:57] <mattltm> just updated the firmware that was sent to me by SkyTrak. Very helpful guys and have confirmed that it will be ok to any altitude.
[10:58] <mattltm> Still would like to send one up though.
[10:58] <NigeyS> lol oki, fair enough :D
[10:58] <jcoxon> NigeyS, you're within the rules - asking would probably just cause confusion
[10:58] <mattltm> When are you launching fsphil and I can get a complete payload over to you
[10:58] <rjharrison> Read the rules, follow the rules (ish) and wait for them to come back to you. Thats a rule for life
[10:58] <NigeyS> good points
[10:59] <jcoxon> you are keeping it sensible
[10:59] <jcoxon> mimimal payload
[10:59] <jcoxon> the balloons weigh more then the payloads!
[10:59] <NigeyS> i'll be sticking to 4 balloons anyway, i certainly wont launch 5
[10:59] <NigeyS> jcoxon, yup, im down to 78gms now
[10:59] <fsphil> mattltm, requesting a notam for September
[10:59] <fsphil> though I've probably left it a bit late knowing D.M.
[11:00] <jcoxon> NigeyS, what battery size?
[11:00] <NigeyS> 1000mah
[11:00] <jcoxon> not bad!
[11:01] <NigeyS> plenty of power there, i tested alot, 4 hours constant xmitting was .21v
[11:01] <NigeyS> so if by some weird offchance it goes drifiting / floating itll have power for at least 18 hours
[11:01] <jcoxon> not bad
[11:01] <jcoxon> it gets really hard to get the weight down
[11:02] <rjharrison> Anyone mind if I run a test on the tracker
[11:02] <NigeyS> it does, then you have to balance it with the power you need, knightmare
[11:02] <jcoxon> NigeyS, tell me about it
[11:02] <jcoxon> i can get about 10hrs with my 40g setup
[11:02] <jcoxon> relying on daylight
[11:03] <NigeyS> thats fairly impressive mind
[11:03] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:03] <NigeyS> although as ure under 50g maybe you should be a nano class payload? :p
[11:03] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:03] <jcoxon> though i'm not sure if my lipo charger is working properly
[11:03] <fsphil> even with the limited life, you know it's going to come back to life though
[11:03] <jcoxon> needs more investigation
[11:03] <jcoxon> yeah i've tested that
[11:03] <NigeyS> with a diff gps, and smaller board, i might have gotten this down to 60ish
[11:03] Action: SpeedEvil has solar cells in the kitchen that do 1A/g (@0.5V)
[11:03] <jcoxon> it'll powerup in the morning
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> They are very fragile though.
[11:04] <jcoxon> right bbl
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[11:04] <NigeyS> oh SpeedEvil did you get you're replacement tubes ?
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> nto yet
[11:05] <NigeyS> :/
[11:06] <NigeyS> fsphil, pls remind me on tuesday to send your yaesu back!
[11:07] <fsphil> lol, will do
[11:07] <fsphil> your own working fine?
[11:07] <NigeyS> yup, seems to be fine now, user error probably, me and matt tested it and all was well
[11:08] <NigeyS> just dont think that pole in the garden is quite high enough
[11:08] <fsphil> yea - I can't receive any hab flights even in the attic - only from the big pole on the roof
[11:08] <fsphil> infact on 70cm I can only hear a single repeater
[11:08] <NigeyS> weird aint it, yet in 1 spot in this room, i can recieve the habs with just the whip!
[11:09] <fsphil> indeed
[11:09] <fsphil> I noticed the 70cm repeater I can hear is very near a 2m repeater, that I can't hear - I'd have expected it the other way around
[11:09] <NigeyS> but yet in the same room, i barely get a gps signal
[11:10] <fsphil> Radio is proper black magic ;)
[11:10] <NigeyS> yeah thats odd, shouldnt the 2m saturate the 70cm? :|
[11:10] <fsphil> it's possible the 2m repeater is lower down
[11:11] <NigeyS> oh of course
[11:11] <fsphil> I'm heading out that way to talk about habs, so I might ask
[11:11] <NigeyS> yeah pls do, thats kinda pickling!
[11:12] <fsphil> that is, if I remember after the panic of talking in front of an audience
[11:13] <fsphil> yay, proto-pic have uart cameras!
[11:13] <NigeyS> lol u'll be fine dude
[11:16] <daveake> fsphil I seem to be spending quite a lot with them lately :)
[11:16] <daveake> and that revelation is not going to help ... ;)
[11:17] <fsphil> haha
[11:17] <fsphil> ta
[11:17] <NigeyS> lol daveake
[11:21] <rjharrison> Upu, I have created a 6 circular flight around 0,0 by one degree with an elvation of 0 to 1000000m. The thinking is that this should be a good test of most errors
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[11:22] <Randomskk> rjharrison: that's a really good idea
[11:22] <Randomskk> what's the flight duration?
[11:23] <Randomskk> theoretically errors should come up almost right away so it seems that just having one or two sentences for each quadrant around (0,0) would do?
[11:23] <daveake> It is. I was asking for just such a thing a while back for my project
[11:23] <daveake> Should have created one myself p)
[11:24] <rjharrison> hehe 6 hours
[11:25] <rjharrison> It's a battery check too
[11:25] <rjharrison> Is now anyway :-)
[11:25] <NigeyS> lol
[11:26] <rjharrison> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:26] <mattltm> For anyone thats interested, this Venus chip is rock solid. 11 sats locked, DGPS fix all from a patch antenna sitting inside near the window.
[11:27] <mattltm> Position and alt have not changed for over 30 mins now.
[11:27] <rjharrison> It is also a good check of the leading zero issues
[11:27] <rjharrison> eg $$icarus,13,10:57:43,0.003781,0.999993,74,116.49,359.8,0.0,26.4*B87F
[11:27] <Upu> nice one Rob
[11:27] <Upu> where did you get your black power btw ?
[11:28] <fsphil> rjharrison, does black magic?
[11:29] <fsphil> mattltm, I've the old venus here - I might fly it as a comparison
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[11:33] <SpeedEvil> mattltm: Also - check it's not falsely static
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> A lot of GPSs will 'stick' in one position intentionally to give a false impression
[11:34] <mattltm> SpeedEvil: whats the best way to check?
[11:34] <NigeyS> run round the house
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> If it's sticking within +-1m for an hour, it basically is lying
[11:35] <rjharrison> black power?
[11:35] <rjharrison> Ahh that
[11:35] <rjharrison> Powder :-)
[11:35] <rjharrison> Smokeless actually
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> move it slowly one minimum increment
[11:35] <rjharrison> I have .5 kg do you want some
[11:35] <rjharrison> I'm going to be making some pyros
[11:36] <rjharrison> Today
[11:36] <rjharrison> Do you wnat me to make some for you
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[11:36] <Upu> well I could do with a few pyros but I want to try make an "emergency" parachute system so I could do with a little for that as well
[11:37] <Upu> If i could nab some that owuld be great, no urgency will be after this flight
[11:37] <Upu> I suspect Hwoyee and cut down are going to become synonimous soon
[11:38] <Upu> I started amending the code last night so it knows what the vertical rate of ascent is
[11:40] <rjharrison> Just subtract the prev alt from the current
[11:40] <rjharrison> You might want to do that for a few cycles to make sure
[11:42] <Upu> yeah 5 min rolling average should do it
[11:43] <Upu> that should detect a float condition too
[11:43] <rjharrison> Liek most things it's not trivial
[11:43] <Upu> ok afk getting some food
[11:43] <WillDuckworth> hey Upu, do you have the iphone app, or any screenshots of it?
[11:43] <rjharrison> You ideally want to cutdown as soon as it strats to fall
[11:43] <rjharrison> but you want to make sure that it is falling
[11:44] <fsphil> WillDuckworth, your sstv will it be FM modulated?
[11:44] <rjharrison> The good news is that we have never has a GPS alt go in the wrign direction of real travel
[11:44] <Upu> WillDuckworth http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=83
[11:44] <rjharrison> Ie no dodgy drop in alt on the way up
[11:44] <Upu> cut down from burst should be done via accelerometers
[11:45] <Upu> cut down from float can be done by average ascent rate I think
[11:45] <Upu> I need to test it
[11:45] <fsphil> uplink might be the best option
[11:45] <Upu> ok really afk now not just pretending :)
[11:45] <mattltm> SpeedEvil Yes, it moves and updates.
[11:47] <WillDuckworth> hi fsphil think so - still work in progress!
[11:48] <fsphil> ncie
[11:48] <fsphil> just noticed the vx7 can receive way up to 990mhz in FM
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[12:46] <daveake> Upu why the comment about Hwoyee? Are they known not to shred too well?
[12:46] <daveake> I just now separated my ex-balloon from the 'chute and payload, then weighed it. 725g. So only 275g got "jettisoned"!
[12:48] <fsphil> I wonder how spread out the landing area for the bits of latex are
[12:49] <mattltm> I would take an educated guess at BIG!
[12:51] <daveake> Good question :)
[12:53] <rjharrison> UPU some updates feel free to fix if i have bugger it up
[12:53] <rjharrison> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing?&#simulating_a_flight
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[12:55] <rjharrison> added some test data you may want to remove the icarus stuff
[12:55] <rjharrison> Added some stuff for the linux users
[12:56] <fsphil> I wonder if we could make a little function, that we can call in place of the serial read function - that returns fake gps data stored right in the program memory
[12:56] <fsphil> would be platform independent
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[12:57] <rjharrison> Deps on how much space you have on your uC but yes
[12:57] <rjharrison> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ quarter of the way around now :-)
[12:58] <rjharrison> icarus
[12:58] <fsphil> haha
[12:58] <rjharrison> Crap
[12:58] <rjharrison> Just removedit
[12:59] <daveake> rjharrison - Nice article :)
[13:00] <rjharrison> daveake Upu wrote 99.9% of it
[13:01] <rjharrison> Ive just played with the simulation stuff at the end
[13:01] <daveake> Cheers Upu then :)
[13:02] <rjharrison> and fsphil looking at the history
[13:03] <fsphil> only a bit
[13:04] Action: fsphil adds an mp3 player to the list of things lost in his room
[13:05] <fsphil> I'll be writing a page on doing it all in integers
[13:07] <Upu> of my 99% fsphil wrote 50% :)
[13:08] <daveake> You'll be needing floating point soon for the credit calculations ...
[13:09] <rjharrison> Upu lol
[13:10] <Upu> daveake with regards to the Hwoyee balloons they don't seem to burst as readily
[13:10] <rjharrison> fsphil part of the testing need to be float to test the leading 0 problems
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[13:14] <daveake> Upu - you mean they burst higher, or not so well?
[13:14] <fsphil> not at all
[13:14] <daveake> Oh. That's a bit sub-optimal
[13:15] <fsphil> the last couple floated
[13:15] <fsphil> though they where slightly underfilled iirc
[13:16] <fsphil> if that happened here it would certainly be a wet landing :)
[13:17] <daveake> :). On checking, mine was a Totex
[13:18] <daveake> fsphil - all you need is a boat-shaped payload with prop and some "drive to shore" guidance software :)
[13:18] <fsphil> already working on it ;)
[13:18] <daveake> lol
[13:19] <fsphil> or, a recovery boat - drive to the coast and have it sail out and grab onto it, drag it back to shore
[13:19] <daveake> All adds to the excitement of the recovery operation :)
[13:19] <fsphil> there've been two water recoveries so far
[13:19] <fsphil> well three counting Bill's flight this weekend
[13:20] <daveake> I saw a YT video of one recovered from a river
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> Do you count the one hanging over the water?
[13:21] <fsphil> nope
[13:21] <fsphil> that was close though
[13:21] <daveake> Question - what do people use for sending commands to a balloon, e.g. for a cutdown?
[13:22] <rjharrison> daveake its all done byt the payload
[13:22] <rjharrison> But basically it send a voltage to a pyro to fire it
[13:22] <rjharrison> Sending data to the balloon is not trivial
[13:23] <daveake> That's why I asked :-). I thought at least someone had done that.
[13:23] <fsphil> daveake, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NrmeVZ1j8g
[13:23] <fsphil> best recovery ever :)
[13:24] <fsphil> DTMF tones seem popular - they're very simple to decode
[13:26] <daveake> fsphil - beats our little 30 mile drive!
[13:34] <fsphil> fooood
[13:36] <Upu> yay made a programming board
[13:36] <Upu> "programming board" for Ava's FC
[13:37] <Upu> thought I was going to have to desolder the chip to reprogram it :/
[13:40] <rjharrison> Upu cool
[13:40] <Upu> right thats it I'm officially good to go
[13:41] <rjharrison> Upu di you see the updates to the simulator
[13:41] <rjharrison> Upu do you have your radio handy
[13:41] <Upu> yeah look good
[13:41] <Upu> yes I do just listening to the FC now
[13:41] <rjharrison> We could try a quick simplex qsl
[13:42] <Upu> sure
[13:42] <Upu> 1 sec
[13:42] <rjharrison> FC?
[13:42] <Upu> "flight computer" :)
[13:42] <Upu> sorry I like my Apollo stuff :)
[13:42] <Upu> 70cms ?
[13:43] <rjharrison> 144600
[13:43] <rjharrison> 144.600
[13:43] <Upu> 1 sec just turning off all the repeater stuff
[13:43] <rjharrison> you should be ok on 144.600
[13:44] <Upu> get that ?
[13:44] <rjharrison> yep
[13:44] <rjharrison> ahh don't seem to be tx ing one sec
[13:45] <rjharrison> humm
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[14:32] <rjharrison> Upu nice qso
[14:32] <Upu> Yeah thanks for that, much clearer than Vodafone :)
[14:32] <Upu> added bonus didn't get cut off 5 times
[14:32] <rjharrison> lol
[14:33] <Upu> just tidying up my code now
[14:33] <Upu> lots of old status LED's in there that I don't use any more
[14:35] <rjharrison> hehe i have a few bits like that in my code
[14:35] <rjharrison> In fact it needs a rewright to make it nice and clean
[14:35] <rjharrison> write even
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[14:36] <Upu> just fixing the padding issues removed 3k from my code
[14:36] <Upu> as I took all the silly floating point to string stuff out
[14:38] <rjharrison> I have moved to doubles to store all my FP stuff
[14:38] <rjharrison> They were all in string gormat
[14:38] <rjharrison> format
[14:42] <Upu> whats the preference for transmitting, constantly or a short delay between strings ?
[14:43] <Upu> something went wrong rjharrison your balloon seems to have jumped
[14:43] <mattltm> Anyone used the DS18B20 with an arduino?
[14:43] <Upu> just been talking about those
[14:44] <mattltm> Upu: the DS18B20?
[14:44] <Upu> 1 sec just checking what I'm using
[14:45] <Upu> not sure I thought I was using DS1820
[14:45] <Upu> uh ignore me rjharrison looks ok now
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[15:10] <NigeyS> why is icarus drawing a circle? :|
[15:10] <rjharrison> NigeyS it's pretty
[15:11] <NigeyS> hehe its pretty freaky to see a balloon do that!
[15:11] <rjharrison> And it's over tow important lines
[15:11] <rjharrison> two
[15:11] <rjharrison> Hurricane
[15:11] <NigeyS> ahh the equator
[15:11] <rjharrison> & the prime meridian
[15:13] <NigeyS> funky
[15:26] <rjharrison> NigeyS it's a 6hr flight
[15:27] <rjharrison> Travelling a totla of 420 miles
[15:29] <NigeyS> nicey!
[15:40] <Upu> rjharrison I can hear your payload from here
[15:40] <Upu> can't decode it but its there
[15:41] <mattltm> 434.075?
[15:41] <Upu> yep
[15:42] <mattltm> Nothing here but then I am a goos distance away :)
[15:42] <Upu> 10 miles LoS here :)
[15:43] <mattltm> this - sign is driving me nuts!
[15:43] <rjharrison> lol
[15:44] <rjharrison> realy is sat on my desk
[15:44] <rjharrison> it is sat on my desk with a bit of wire sticking out the RM
[15:44] <mattltm> rjharrison: Yes, your testing with fake gps data right?
[15:44] <rjharrison> Yes
[15:45] <mattltm> Looking good so far.
[15:46] <rjharrison> Upu there is no ground plane either
[15:48] <mattltm> AhHa! fixed it :)
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[15:50] <rjharrison> Upu are you txting too
[15:53] <fsphil> that's neat being able to hear the others payload
[15:54] <rjharrison> Adv of only being 10 miles away
[15:54] <rjharrison> Good for quick range test
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[15:58] <rjharrison> any one know of anyone supplying funck high pressure balloons
[15:58] <rjharrison> funky
[16:03] <NigeyS> funky.. ?
[16:07] <Upu> rjharrison negative not currently transmitting
[16:07] <Upu> but you are :)
[16:07] <Upu> its not clear enough to decode
[16:08] <rjharrison> Shame it's only one bit of copper wire
[16:08] <Upu> Oh I'm in for the weekend 30/31st
[16:08] <Upu> just book hotel and let me know how much I owe you
[16:09] <rjharrison> Sure i'll try and get a twin room then it will be free
[16:09] <rjharrison> BBC can pay
[16:09] <Upu> ah don't worry about that I'll pay for a travel lodge lol
[16:09] <rjharrison> cool
[16:10] <rjharrison> Should only be about 35 pounds
[16:10] <Upu> yeah not exactly breaking the bank
[16:10] <rjharrison> no
[16:12] <Upu> seems the tracker has a max altitude of 40000m
[16:12] <Upu> max altitude is reporting correctly
[16:14] <rjharrison> Upu correct
[16:14] <rjharrison> Well at least we know what hapens
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[16:24] <Upu> icarus,1157,14:22:10,-0.417338,-0.908751,56866,116.49,155.3,0.0,23.8*2B3F
[16:24] <Upu> :)
[16:24] <Upu> afk
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[16:25] <fsphil> cheat :p
[16:26] <mattltm> lol
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[16:27] <WillDuckworth> Upu - i'm just borrowing your tracker if that's ok?
[16:28] <Upu> no problems at all
[16:28] <Upu> off to walk to the dog
[16:32] <mattltm> I need some small waterproof, 2 pin bulkhead sockets. Anyone know a source?
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[16:51] <rjharrison> Upu cool decode
[16:51] <Upu> yours is RV ?
[16:51] <Upu> had to amend the shift a little and switch to RV
[16:51] <rjharrison> Tep it's RV
[16:51] <rjharrison> yep
[16:51] <NigeyS> mattltm,
[16:51] <NigeyS> http://www.capitalmarine.co.uk/index-marine-connector-waterproof-plug-bulkhead?utm_source=google&utm_medium=googlebase
[16:51] <rjharrison> Beed to swap the connections over
[16:51] <rjharrison> I'll send you a pic
[16:52] <Upu> can you do it in code ?
[16:52] <Upu> I just switched mine in the code
[16:54] <Upu> ok afk cooking
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[17:01] <rjharrison> Upu yep you can
[17:01] <rjharrison> It's right in the code it just needs fixing on the bread board
[17:02] <rjharrison> Upu, this is what you managed to decode from on my desk http://www.robertharrison.org/files/dev/IMG_0373.JPG
[17:02] <mattltm> NigeyS: A bit big. I want somthing smaller and cheeper :P
[17:02] <rjharrison> The red wire is the antenna
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[17:09] <fsphil> that looks complicated
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[17:35] <Hiena> rjharrison: looks ready to fly-
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[17:46] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Getting ready to do an indoor flight test of @LVL1WhiteStar SpeedBall-1 and SpeedBall-2, ballast algorithm on trial. #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/92651274071310336]
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[18:02] <mattltm> Anyone want to give me a git hub for dummys guide?
[18:02] <Randomskk> http://help.github.com
[18:03] <Randomskk> if you have any specific questions I'd be very happy to answer, but github have put a lot of effort into making seriously good guides
[18:03] <Randomskk> in particular, run through their four bootcamp tutorials, then check things out under those menus to the right (beginner, intermediate, etc)
[18:03] <mattltm> Im running my arduino coding on windows
[18:03] <Randomskk> git works on windows, and the github guides cover you
[18:03] <Upu> that impressive rjharrison :)
[18:04] <mattltm> Just need to work out how to put a repo down, work on it then upload it again.
[18:04] <mattltm> Im annoyed because I should be able to do it!
[18:04] <Randomskk> git clone <url> # copies a repo from some remote source to a local folder
[18:04] <Randomskk> #do some work
[18:04] <Randomskk> git commit -am "message here" # commits changed files with message (won't add new files, use git add filename for that)
[18:04] <Randomskk> git push # push new commits back to remote repository
[18:05] <mattltm> im using SmartGit at the moment.
[18:05] <Randomskk> I have no idea about how to use various GUIs for it. I'd suggest just using the git command line, even on windows
[18:05] <Randomskk> if smartgit is any good you shouldn't need any help :P
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[18:05] <mattltm> right...
[18:05] <Randomskk> but like, I can help you with git and github, I don't even know what smartgit is, let alone how to use it
[18:06] <mattltm> so I have git bash open..
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[18:06] <mattltm> And I want to connect to my existing repo
[18:06] <Randomskk> the above commands should be fine then. you might need to cd to your directory
[18:06] <mattltm> so cd ~/
[18:07] <mattltm> how do I putt a repo down? git clone?
[18:07] <Randomskk> yea
[18:08] <mattltm> so: git clone git@github.com:mattltm/STaTBUOY.git
[18:08] <Randomskk> sure
[18:08] <mattltm> cool.
[18:08] <mattltm> got it.
[18:08] <mattltm> Now I work localy?
[18:08] <Randomskk> yup
[18:09] <mattltm> cool. so work done. How do I push it back?
[18:10] <Randomskk> 18:04:23 <Randomskk> git clone <url> # copies a repo from some remote source to a local
[18:10] <Randomskk> folder
[18:10] <Randomskk> 18:04:30 <Randomskk> #do some work
[18:10] <Randomskk> 18:04:47 <Randomskk> git commit -am "message here" # commits changed files with message
[18:10] <Randomskk> (won't add new files, use git add filename for that)
[18:10] <Randomskk> 18:04:58 <Randomskk> git push # push new commits back to remote repository
[18:10] <Randomskk> everything I already said, basically
[18:10] <Randomskk> you have to commit the changes, using git commit, and then push the commits back to github, using git push
[18:11] <mattltm> Cool. Got it.
[18:11] <mattltm> Thanks Randomskk :)
[18:11] <Randomskk> np
[18:16] <mattltm> git commmit - al "message"
[18:16] <mattltm> fatal: not a git repo
[18:16] <mattltm> guess i missed a stap?
[18:17] <mattltm> git init?
[18:17] <mattltm> done :)
[18:17] <mattltm> Now im on a roll!
[18:22] <fsphil> you're a right git now
[18:22] <mattltm> lol. Iv'e always been a git :)
[18:23] <rjharrison> fsphil, Hiena it's just the proto type allows me to change things easily and test
[18:23] <fsphil> oh my own board is a similar mess :)
[18:23] <rjharrison> fsphil,phew I'm glad I'm not the only one :-)
[18:26] <Hiena> rjharrison: i saw worst setup flying and gathering valuable datas.
[18:28] <Hiena> It has kind of kink when you got a call in midair about loosing telemetry and have to debug the loose wire and stay in the lift at the same time. ;)
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[19:02] <Laurenceb_> oh god not git
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> annoys me every time
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[19:14] <Dan-K2VOL> nigeys
[19:14] <Randomskk> mattltm: uhm, you should not have to git init unless it was a new repository
[19:14] <Randomskk> if iut's
[19:14] <Dan-K2VOL> NigeyS how did the launch go
[19:14] <Randomskk> if it's one you cloned from github then you definitely don't git init
[19:15] <Randomskk> probably you just didn't cd into the newly cloned repository, and instead made the parent folder a git repository too?
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[19:45] <WillDuckworth> hey, rjharrison / Upu, or any other android bod, could you have a quick look at this chase car tracker i've rustled up
[19:45] <WillDuckworth> http://wdhab.blogspot.com/2011/07/android-tracker.html
[19:46] <WillDuckworth> still working on it - but does the basics :)
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[20:00] <Upu> hey WillDuckworth
[20:00] <Upu> I don't have an Android
[20:00] <Upu> but I see you on the tracker
[20:01] <Upu> how often does it update to the server ?
[20:01] <Upu> the only things we changed were : amendable update rate, also cached locations if unable to transmit them
[20:02] <Randomskk> WillDuckworth: out of interest, is the source code for that android app up anywhere?
[20:03] <WillDuckworth> cheers Upu
[20:04] <WillDuckworth> Randomskk - i'll stick the zip on the blog in a min
[20:07] <WillDuckworth> updated post & added a pic
[20:07] <Randomskk> cool, thanks
[20:08] <WillDuckworth> do you think it's something to put on github?
[20:09] <WillDuckworth> or just keep running updates as and when?
[20:11] <Randomskk> I guess the appinventor thing means it wouldn't be that simple to put on github - I'd probably just put the zip up I guess?
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[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:15] <simhed> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi simhed
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[20:18] <Dan-K2VOL> hey LUnar_Lander
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL I mean
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> frantically busy trying to get many speedball systems to work without their creators present
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> nor the critical source code available
[20:25] <Dan-K2VOL> GRRR old people who don't like to use Dropbox or revision control software
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> not good
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL are you watching the grand final?
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[20:46] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander, nah not much into sport
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[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[20:57] <mixio_citizen> Hi to all
[20:57] Nick change: mixio_citizen -> m1x10_happiest
[20:57] <Dan-K2VOL> hi
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi m1x10_happiest
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> wb jcoxon
[21:06] <m1x10_happiest> im happiest
[21:06] <m1x10_happiest> on earth
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> 2:2 on football
[21:08] <m1x10_happiest> what?
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> the final goes into a shoot-out probably
[21:08] <m1x10_happiest> talking to me?
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> to everyone
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> and now you: what makes you happy :)?
[21:09] <m1x10_happiest> oh ok :)
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[21:09] <m1x10_happiest> ahhh
[21:10] <m1x10_happiest> I met my dream girl after 6 long years.
[21:10] <m1x10_happiest> We lost contact in 2005
[21:10] <m1x10_happiest> from other country
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:10] <m1x10_happiest> and im still leaving the dream
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> and she likes you too?
[21:12] <m1x10_happiest> yes, we became couple
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> and now, it'll be decided who wins the World Cup
[21:13] <m1x10_happiest> now we need to find a way to see each other more often
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:15] <rjharrison> ping Upu
[21:15] <rjharrison> looks like my HAB test worked
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> JAPAN IS 2011 WORLD CHAMPION
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[21:38] <russss> this is cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MY9OWx40Ok
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[21:44] <rjharrison> russss it was cool
[21:49] <NigeyS> dammit
[21:49] <Upu> hey rjharrison yes looks like a nice flight :)
[21:49] <NigeyS> got my sums wrong, picochu is drawing to much current :(
[21:49] <rjharrison> Hey Upu I see you have got the tracker working on our site
[21:49] <rjharrison> Your
[21:49] <Upu> yeah put it there for testing our iphone tracker
[21:50] <Upu> and now the Android one it seems
[21:50] <rjharrison> I'v been trying to get it working on mysite but have problem with data.php not returning the values for the map
[21:50] <rjharrison> Did you have any issues?
[21:50] <Upu> don't think I did anything special - no issues afaik
[21:50] <rjharrison> I just get the refresing spinner constantly
[21:51] <rjharrison> However the google earth KML works fine
[21:51] <Upu> http://robertharrison.org/tracker/
[21:51] <rjharrison> yep
[21:51] <Upu> yeah I see
[21:51] <Upu> permissions ?
[21:51] <rjharrison> http://robertharrison.org/tracker/data.php works fine
[21:52] <rjharrison> I have just set 777 on the data.php but not much better
[21:54] <Upu> http://pastebin.com/K1Z7mWhm
[21:55] <rjharrison> thanks
[21:55] <Upu> dunno if that helps
[21:55] <rjharrison> it's weird why it's not working
[21:55] <Upu> have a chat with natrium42 ?
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[21:56] <rjharrison> yep
[21:56] <Upu> be something silly I'm sure
[21:56] <Upu> in the mean time if you want to mess with mine the password is whereami
[21:57] <rjharrison> lol
[21:57] <rjharrison> Cool
[21:57] <Upu> so do you have a file with the raw NMEA data from your test ?
[21:57] <rjharrison> not yet
[21:57] <Upu> ok
[21:57] <rjharrison> Oh yep
[21:57] <rjharrison> I put that on the doc
[21:58] <rjharrison> See the zip file
[21:58] <rjharrison> HAB_FILGHT_TEST.GPS
[21:58] <rjharrison> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing#simulating_a_flight
[21:59] <rjharrison> See GPS Data link
[21:59] <Upu> oh I see it
[21:59] <Upu> was looking at the bottom
[21:59] <rjharrison> Thought it was better up there
[21:59] <rjharrison> Perhaps the icarus stuff should go
[21:59] <rjharrison> up ot you
[22:00] <Upu> yeah your data is more complete
[22:02] <Upu> well looks like we have some reasonable testing data now
[22:02] <rjharrison> It's prettier
[22:03] <Upu> btw your icarus picture stretches lovely across desktops
[22:03] <rjharrison> lol the big one?
[22:04] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/desktop.jpg
[22:06] <rjharrison> wow that does look good
[22:07] <Upu> yup cheers :)
[22:09] <Upu> right I'm off night all
[22:13] <rjharrison> nights
[22:13] <rjharrison> me too it's time
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> good night rjharrison
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[23:00] <landraid> hi.. i'm just getting started with arduino code and i've got a few questions
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[23:01] <landraid> when you define a char or a byte, what's the number in the square brackets for?
[23:01] <landraid> e.g. byte something[8]
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> That's an array.
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> You have an array of bytes, called 'something' that has 8 storage elements.
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> Which are all bytes
[23:01] <landraid> ahh i see
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> So something[3]=2;
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> Sets the fourth (counted from zero) to 2
[23:02] <landraid> a byte is just 8 bits
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:02] <landraid> what's an example of a bit and a byte?
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> A bit is the smallest storage element.
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> It can store 1 or 0
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> a byte is made up of 8 bits, and can store 0-255
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[23:03] <landraid> i get it now. thanks :)
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[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> field mill test: http://www.dg1sfj.de/hardware/FM_Abgleich_03.jpg
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> oh yeah
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> 8 e-mails left to write
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> I want to contact Dr Harrison at Reading
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> he did some work in HAB sensors
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> but he makes his sensors to use the comms system of Vaisala sondes
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