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[06:41] <fsphil> and it's morning
[06:42] <Upu> it is indeed
[06:42] <Upu> and I'm close to solving my coding issues
[06:42] <fsphil> sweet
[06:42] <fsphil> the output making more sense now?
[06:43] <Upu> yeah the maths is
[06:43] <Upu> Arduino has some "issues"
[06:43] <Upu> i.e float = 0.0126
[06:43] <Upu> Serial.print(float);
[06:43] <Upu> 0.01
[06:44] <Upu> %f doesn't work properly when using sprintf
[06:44] <fsphil> tried Serial.println(float, n) ?
[06:44] <fsphil> what is %f doing?
[06:44] <fsphil> sprintf should be the most reliable
[06:45] <fsphil> although.. the version you have may not support floats
[06:46] <Upu> oh println works thx
[06:46] <Upu> LONGDEC = 0.0127
[06:46] <Upu> yay
[06:46] <Upu> just need to get the sprintf working to make the telemetry string now
[06:47] <Upu> however I have to go do an onsite job
[06:47] <Upu> hopefully get back before the launch
[06:47] <Upu> http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1200716061
[06:47] <Upu> bbl
[06:49] <fsphil> if it's printing ? then it's because that version of printf has no float support
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[06:49] <fsphil> there's some fiddly compiler flags for including the proper version, though it'll make your program a fair bit bigger
[06:50] <jcoxon> Upu, can't print floats on an arduino
[06:50] <fsphil> I think I had to include these options on the linker: -Wl,-u,vfprintf -lprintf_flt
[06:51] <fsphil> but it's huge
[06:53] <jcoxon> i use sprintf instead
[06:54] <fsphil> they all share the same base function I think
[06:54] <fsphil> I used that on the first hadie board, and it doubled the size of the program :)
[07:00] <fsphil> what's the frequency of the launch today?
[07:00] <jcoxon> not actually sure
[07:00] <jcoxon> rob usually uses 0.75
[07:00] <jcoxon> 075*
[07:01] <rjharrison> Hi all there will be a launch from Boston Spa, Yorkshire today at 10:30 BST freq 434.650 NOT .075 with 425 shift ascii-8. If you are using dl-fldigi you can set the parameters using the infinity payload.
[07:01] <fsphil> ah speak of the devil :)
[07:01] <fsphil> ta
[07:01] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:01] <rjharrison> hehe just gor online
[07:02] <rjharrison> Car packed and set up fro tracking.
[07:02] <rjharrison> The chase-car will be active
[07:02] <rjharrison> jcoxon you working lates this week
[07:02] <jcoxon> just monday and tues
[07:02] <rjharrison> Should be logging to habitat too
[07:03] <jcoxon> why?
[07:03] <rjharrison> Just wondered as you normally login befor sever for a few mins
[07:03] <rjharrison> seven
[07:03] <rjharrison> Well normally last year :-)
[07:03] <jcoxon> oh right
[07:03] <jcoxon> i live closer to work currently
[07:04] <jcoxon> only 5 mins walk
[07:04] <rjharrison> hehe hope the accomodation is OK
[07:04] <jcoxon> oh its rented
[07:04] <jcoxon> very nice
[07:04] <rjharrison> not hopsital accomodation then
[07:04] <jcoxon> i've grabbed the gfs data so you should have predictor for hte flight
[07:04] <jcoxon> yeah, private rent
[07:05] <rjharrison> jcoxon cool
[07:05] <rjharrison> I'm just going to run a pred to see landing
[07:06] <rjharrison> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=94e8342d754d5b90795bda15c6526b125c819ff4
[07:06] <rjharrison> Nice and near.
[07:06] <fsphil> this is the first yorkshire launch I've tried tracking, will be interesting to see if I have the same issue as Upu had tracking my launch
[07:06] <rjharrison> Am i right in thinking that his link saves re calcing the track?
[07:06] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:07] <rjharrison> fsphil, what was that
[07:07] <jcoxon> yup
[07:07] <fsphil> he couldn't hear the signal at all rjharrison, despite being closer than most
[07:07] <fsphil> suspect geography got in the way
[07:09] <rjharrison> humm yep upu is on a hill but normally in a good way
[07:09] <rjharrison> only 6km from launch. Happy day
[07:09] <fsphil> excellent
[07:09] <rjharrison> But close to leeds but I think we will go up a bit quicker than 5
[07:09] <fsphil> may your landing be tree free :)
[07:10] <rjharrison> hehe I have packed the extrator
[07:10] <rjharrison> good for 14m
[07:10] <fsphil> sweet - I'm definitely taking the 10m pole with me next time
[07:19] <rjharrison> fsphil http://www.jharlen.com/hasfibst235.html
[07:21] <rjharrison> Right I'm going to head off to school.
[07:21] <rjharrison> I haven't said that for a few years :-)
[07:35] <fsphil> so if this balloon breaks, you get detention?
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[07:36] <fsphil> oh that's cool, but £300!
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[08:00] <WillDuckworth> i can see the chase car moving, and tracking strings being uploaded to the dl-server
[08:00] <WillDuckworth> does anyone know the best way of getting this sort of config set up for the chase car?
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[08:03] <fsphil> there's a section in dl-fldigi for uploading chase car data
[08:03] <fsphil> I used it last time and it seemed to work well, although I don't think it was meant to work :)
[08:03] <fsphil> there's also an iphone app, but I can't remember who's developing that
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[08:14] <WillDuckworth> cool, just wondered for next time ;)
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[08:46] <Upu> morning
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[08:46] <M0JSN> morning
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[08:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> WillDuckworth if you have an ipHone we have an app for it
[08:48] <Colin-G81MV> Morning - is the launch on?
[08:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> I believe so
[08:50] <GW8RAK> Morning. Typical. I've managed to miss all the recent launches and now this one :(
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[08:53] <WillDuckworth> hey Upu_2E0UPU, android for me
[08:53] <WillDuckworth> but that's ok
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> Hi all there will be a launch from Boston Spa, Yorkshire today at 10:30 BST freq 434.650 NOT .075 with 425 shift ascii-8. If you are using dl-fldigi you can set the parameters using the infinity payload.
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> from rjharrison this morning
[08:53] <fsphil> there did seem to be a surge of launches while you where away GW8RAK :)
[08:54] <GW8RAK> Are people trying to tell me something?
[08:54] <fsphil> even three altitude records
[08:55] <GW8RAK> There was a new altitude record just before I went away. Has it been broken?
[08:55] <GW8RAK> What's the record now?
[08:55] <fsphil> I think that one is still the same
[08:55] <M0JSN> aha, infinity appears on the traker
[08:55] <M0JSN> *tracker
[08:55] <fsphil> but there where two new second places
[08:56] <M0JSN> think Nova 19 still holds the record for now
[08:56] <M0JSN> 36206m
[08:56] <GW8RAK> I think that was the one I watched.
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[08:56] <fsphil> cuddykid's after that got second place
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[08:56] <fsphil> then the next day another flight pushed him into third
[08:57] <fsphil> we seem to have hit a wall at 36km -- nobody's getting much past that
[08:58] <fsphil> I suspect it will take a different kind of balloon to beat nova 19
[08:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> we haz a balloon
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[09:00] <LazyLeopard> Launching now?
[09:02] <fsphil> 10:30
[09:02] <fsphil> though launching early would be a nice change :-)
[09:02] <mixio_citizen> what is the Ambient Light ?
[09:02] <fsphil> they appear to be at a bus depot
[09:04] <LazyLeopard> It's "icarus" or is there an updated xml?
[09:06] <LazyLeopard> Ah. "infinity" has appeared in the xml. That looks promising. :)
[09:07] <WillDuckworth> does anyone know who rustled up the spacenear.us logo?
[09:07] <SamSilver> switching machines
[09:07] <fsphil> likely natrium42
[09:07] <fsphil> it's pretty nifty
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[09:07] <fsphil> LazyLeopard, yea infinity
[09:08] <fsphil> 434.650 seems nice and clear here -- at least nobody's cutting their grass at the moment
[09:10] <Darkside> when is the launch?
[09:10] <fsphil> about 20 minutes
[09:10] <Darkside> oh awesome
[09:10] <fsphil> not accounting for the inevitable delay :)
[09:11] <LazyLeopard> ...and folks up north are going to get the early sight of ir. ;)
[09:12] <chris_99> can a normal omni-directional antenna pick it up, (i don't know anything about radio)
[09:12] <Darkside> yeah it probably can
[09:13] <Darkside> if you can see it, you should be able to get it on an omni
[09:13] <fsphil> what do you mean by normal? You mean a little whip antenna?
[09:13] <chris_99> its roughly 1 metre +
[09:13] <fsphil> hmm
[09:13] <Darkside> oh yes, that'd be fine, once the balloon gets high enough
[09:13] <fsphil> yea
[09:13] <chris_99> cool :)
[09:14] <chris_99> i'll listen out for it then
[09:14] <LazyLeopard> It's all a matter of range. at a few tens of miles a whip will do reasonably well, but get to a hundred miles or more and something directional is likely to be needed.
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[09:15] <chris_99> aha, gotcha
[09:15] <fsphil> I've actually used a little mag-mount whip to receive a launch, can't remember which
[09:15] <chris_99> so you'd need a yagi, when it gets very high?
[09:15] <fsphil> think it was apex
[09:15] <Darkside> we often use magmounts on the chase vehicles
[09:16] <Rob_M0DTS> Launch this morning? details?
[09:16] <Darkside> well, i'm at the adelaide hackerspace
[09:16] <Darkside> we are watching :P
[09:16] <LazyLeopard> chris_99: More when it's a long way away.
[09:16] <fsphil> about 15 minutes Rob_M0DTS, "infinity" payload in yorkshire
[09:16] <fsphil> 434.650 mhz
[09:16] <Rob_M0DTS> Thanks
[09:17] <Rob_M0DTS> Just happened to look on the tracker and seen it, not seen any emails about this one..
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[09:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> don't think there was a mail
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[09:18] <Rob_M0DTS> that may be why ;-)
[09:18] <LazyLeopard> Got a mention or two here, and on the wiki, but that's it...
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[09:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> there you go
[09:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Launch 13/07/2011"
[09:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> ---/\
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[09:28] <fsphil> good thinking
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[10:05] <LazyLeopard> Back to ground level. I guess the GPS was joking... ;)
[10:05] <Darkside> hey guys
[10:05] <Darkside> here's something interesting
[10:05] <Darkside> in thie sat payload i'm working on, theres a GPS unit
[10:05] <Darkside> it's going to have to be a pretty special GPS unit, as we're going to be orbiting at 600km altitude, with a speed of around 7km/s
[10:05] <Darkside> ballistic missile territory
[10:05] <Darkside> well no, ICBM territority
[10:05] <fsphil> an I right in thinking the only difference is the firmware?
[10:05] <fsphil> an/am
[10:05] <fsphil> actually are you even allowed to say? :)
[10:05] <Darkside> nfi
[10:05] <Darkside> i'm assuming its a firmware change
[10:05] <Darkside> but i assume there will be also be a limit associated with the modulation
[10:05] <Darkside> i'm trying to find out what that is now
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[10:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[10:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats going to burst almost directly over my head
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[10:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> odd
[10:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> got it
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[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> it sup
[10:15] <fsphil> ah ha
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol 163 meters
[10:15] <fsphil> you could probably see it Upu_2E0UPU
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah its me getting it
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> got it at 163 meters
[10:15] <fsphil> I mean visually :)
[10:15] <Darkside> ok, apparently maximum relative velocity for GPS is 10KM/s
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[10:15] <fsphil> should hear this one sooner than most
[10:15] <fsphil> what's the dial freq.?
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> Altitude! We haz it!
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.649.30
[10:15] <jgrahamc> w00t
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[10:15] Action: LazyLeopard has some grea QRM just there
[10:15] <M0JSN> anyone know what balloon it is?
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> Select "infinity"
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> Inifinity
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> or do you mean the latex ?
[10:15] <fsphil> and not beyond
[10:15] Action: LazyLeopard thwaps fsphil
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[10:15] <Rob_M0DTS> very strong signal but much closer than usual !
[10:15] <fsphil> deserved that :)
[10:15] <M0JSN> i mean which envelope
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah lol
[10:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> northern launches ftw :)
[10:15] <fsphil> I received the scottish launches pretty well, so I hopefully this one will be the same
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, down here I'm getting a taste of what you folks p north usually get from Cambridge launches. ;)
[10:15] <Darkside> slow ascent rate
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[10:16] <fsphil> looks like it's going to head my way
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[10:18] <fsphil> ooh hi Dutch-Mill
[10:18] <Dutch-Mill> Hi
[10:18] <fsphil> there's a balloon up at the moment -- it's a bit far but you *might* just hear it
[10:19] Action: SpeedEvil is way more amused than he should be by where the predictor has it landing.
[10:19] <Dutch-Mill> Yep i saw it on the tracker ..
[10:19] <LazyLeopard> It's hopping about quite a bit...
[10:19] <fsphil> where was it SpeedEvil?
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> Bumley.
[10:20] <fsphil> lol
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[10:24] <fsphil> tis a fairly leisurely ascent
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[10:25] <NigelMoby> Morning
[10:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning
[10:25] <NigelMoby> Hey upu
[10:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:26] <NigelMoby> There was a launch?
[10:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you're near a reciever
[10:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> is a
[10:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> just took off
[10:26] <NigelMoby> Oo ill jump on the desktop and fire up the radio
[10:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> loosing the odd packet
[10:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> but oddly its so strong I could do with turning the volume down
[10:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> but I can't do that remotely
[10:28] <fsphil> you should be able to turn down the line-in gain
[10:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> its ok at the moment
[10:28] <M0JSN> SpeedEvil: are you sure it's not Burnley?
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> M0JSN: Meh.
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> I blame kerning.
[10:30] <LazyLeopard> Dial frequency changed at all?
[10:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> nope
[10:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> solid from ehre
[10:31] <fsphil> all silent here
[10:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> be interested to see if you have same issues as me
[10:32] <fsphil> wondering that
[10:33] <LazyLeopard> Signal seen but noisy still...
[10:35] <fsphil> well this is interesting
[10:35] <fsphil> I wonder what's blocking it
[10:36] <LazyLeopard> Very variable signal level here...
[10:37] <LazyLeopard> It thinks it has uploaded one...
[10:37] <jgrahamc> fsphil: The Isle of Man is probably jumping up and down just to mess up the signal to NI
[10:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> I am loosing the odd packet
[10:38] <fsphil> wouldn't be surprised. those pesky manx :)
[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> actually
[10:39] <LazyLeopard> Seems reasonably reliable now. Not reporting correct range or bearing in --hab mode, though.
[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/nosignal.jpg
[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> isle of man isn't the issue
[10:39] <fsphil> it probably doesn't have any peaks high enough
[10:40] <jgrahamc> Snaefell is just over 600m
[10:43] <fsphil> higher than I expected
[10:43] <fsphil> ah wait, I'm seeing something now
[10:44] <fsphil> yea, weak trace on the waterfall
[10:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.051 now
[10:44] <fsphil> my dial is 434.650.620
[10:45] <fsphil> and out of nowhere I nearly got a full line
[10:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.651 sorry
[10:46] <fsphil> got one
[10:46] <fsphil> that's weird too
[10:46] <fsphil> from nothing to decoding in a few minutes
[10:47] <LazyLeopard> You're on the edge of the blue circle...
[10:47] <Colin-G81MV> you are still outside the blue boundary too
[10:47] <chris_99> what are you guys using for baud/bits/parity/stop
[10:47] <fsphil> the circle is a lie :) it should actually be more of an egg shape
[10:47] <fsphil> fatter at the top
[10:47] <Colin-G81MV> chris_99: if you are using dl_fldigi then just select the balloon and it will set everything up
[10:47] <chris_99> i think i can see it very faintly on the waterfall
[10:47] <LazyLeopard> chris_99: in dl-fldigi select "infinity" and autoconfigure. 425 shift, 50 baud, 8N1
[10:48] <fsphil> faded here again, guess it's in a null
[10:48] <fsphil> I should make a chart of decodes vs. altitude
[10:48] <LazyLeopard> Signal level is variable...
[10:48] <chris_99> woo i got it for a it
[10:49] <fsphil> frequency is rising quite rapidly
[10:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[10:49] <Colin-G81MV> it's just at the alt where it changes dir a lot - so I guess the temp has changed rapidly too
[10:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> just had to reduce input levels
[10:50] <fsphil> very weak now, just visible on the waterfall
[10:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> you got a packet phil
[10:50] Nick change: The-Comp1ler -> The-Compiler
[10:51] <fsphil> I got a bunch of lines a few minutes ago
[10:51] <fsphil> all very odd :)
[10:52] <natrium42> who, us?
[10:52] <natrium42> oh that
[10:53] <fsphil> :)
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi natrium42
[10:53] <fsphil> dutch-mill has a good chance of getting a distance record
[10:53] <natrium42> o/
[10:53] <LazyLeopard> Bit wobbly at the moment
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> go Dutch-Mill
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm not getting that one today :)
[10:53] <natrium42> what's happening?
[10:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> rjharrison launch from a school
[10:54] <fsphil> totally undecodable here, barely visible
[10:54] <fsphil> that poor school boy, hope he packed oxygen
[10:54] <jgrahamc> Has anyone hear sat the Advanced license exam without doing a course?
[10:54] <jgrahamc> ^hear^here
[10:54] <natrium42> ah, neat
[10:54] <LazyLeopard> jgrahamc: Yep
[10:54] <fsphil> jgrahamc, not yet but I'm going to
[10:55] <jgrahamc> Thanks, LazyLeopard
[10:55] <fsphil> if the silly club ever let me that is
[10:55] <jgrahamc> I was figuring I'd a three day intermediate course and get that part over and then just try to cram and sit the Advanced exam.
[10:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.651.50 now
[10:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok afk getting a sarnie
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> Pretty sure that applies to all the folks who've taken the Advanced exam at Cambridge recently.
[10:56] <jgrahamc> Is there a good club there? It's actually hard to find a good club near me in London.
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> Took me about six weeks to work through the book...
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> jgrahamc: Where are you doing Intermediate?
[10:57] <jgrahamc> I did the Foundation at Bletchley Park with MKARS, but it looks like the next convenient Intermediate for me is probably in Bromley.
[10:57] <fsphil> I don't suppose there's any exams being done the weekend of the hab conference? :)
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Half a chance I'll be helping at that one, then.
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[10:58] <LazyLeopard> Advanced exams are on RSGB-defined dates, I think once a month, which can make it a bit of a pain.
[10:59] <jgrahamc> You'd be helping in Bromley or Bletchley, LazyLeopard ?
[10:59] <fsphil> signal still very weak here
[10:59] <jgrahamc> Nice to see the chase car on the move on the map
[11:00] <Colin-G81MV> LazyLeopard: every other month I think
[11:01] <jgrahamc> I just feel like the foundation license is a bit of a joke if you have any knowledge of electronics or a modicum of common sense.
[11:01] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Could be...
[11:01] <Colin-G81MV> jgrahamc: yes, but remember it's aimed at early secondary school kids
[11:02] <fsphil> $$iofinity
[11:02] <fsphil> so close
[11:02] <fsphil> good name for a data company though
[11:02] <NigelMoby> Lol
[11:02] <LazyLeopard> There's a pdf giving dates on http://www.rsgb.org/tutors/advanced/examdates.php
[11:03] <fsphil> ah got one
[11:03] <fsphil> about time
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[11:06] <LazyLeopard> jgrahamc: The main complication with the Foundation and Intermediate is the practical side.
[11:06] <jgrahamc> Good point Colin-G81MV
[11:07] <jgrahamc> Agreed LazyLeopard, hence the desire to do a course somewhere so the practical part is done with it
[11:08] <fsphil> payload is moving away from me, now 360km
[11:10] <Dutch-Mill> well very very weak signal out here ..whats the shift 850 or 425?
[11:11] <fsphil> about 420hz now
[11:11] <fsphil> suppose to be 425
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> I'd see a market for a back-to-back get-your-F&I-practicals-signed-off course...
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> listening station 2E0UPU reporting flight nominal, tuna mayo sandwich particularly nice
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> Dutch-Mill: 425
[11:11] <fsphil> it should get stronger soon Dutch-Mill
[11:12] <LazyLeopard> Dial 434.652.15 or therabouts now.
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.651.50 here
[11:12] <fsphil> signal still weak here, but decoding some lines
[11:13] <LazyLeopard> Upu_2E0UPU: Yeah, I just shifted it down low in the waterfall to give it drift space...
[11:13] <fsphil> I must fix the auto-tuner
[11:13] <fsphil> it seems to stop tracking after a while
[11:14] <LazyLeopard> jgrahamc: Hackspace have been talking about arranging something for a while...
[11:14] <jgrahamc> That would be cool.
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[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey Rob
[11:17] <rjharrison_eee> hi i see you're tracking
[11:17] <rjharrison_eee> are you working
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> I am yeah
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> remotely
[11:17] <rjharrison_eee> cool
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks good though
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> lots of listeners
[11:18] <fsphil> good signal again
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> meandering round West Yorkshire
[11:18] <rjharrison_eee> who is 2iovim
[11:18] <rjharrison_eee> 2iovim
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil
[11:18] <LazyLeopard> fsphil:
[11:18] <rjharrison_eee> cool so where in irland is he
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> northern ireland
[11:19] <rjharrison_eee> bit low on helium so slow ascent rate
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> place called cookstown
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> what balloon is it ?
[11:19] <LazyLeopard> Near Cookstown just far side lof Lough Neagh
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[11:20] <fsphil> 360km away :)
[11:21] <LazyLeopard> Only 285km away here...
[11:21] <LazyLeopard> <-- M0LEP
[11:22] <M0JSN> expected max alt?
[11:22] <fsphil> dutch-mill is seeing the signal too, not sure if it's decoding yet though
[11:24] <fsphil> the shift is about 415hz now
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> 30K I think LazyLeopard
[11:27] Action: Colin-G81MV notices his nick is wrong again
[11:28] Nick change: Colin-G81MV -> Colin-G8TMV
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> any joy Dutch-Mill ?
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[11:30] <Elwell> no chance from here yet (and the masts are pointing the wrong way too)
[11:31] <WillDuckworth> will it turn.....
[11:31] <WillDuckworth> as per prediction
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> you know if it keeps that trajectory
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> let me put my current location on the map
[11:32] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: are you listening in?
[11:32] <WillDuckworth> nope - at work :(
[11:32] <cuddykid> ahh, np
[11:33] <cuddykid> going to try with the whip from here!
[11:33] <cuddykid> lol
[11:33] <cuddykid> dial freq?
[11:33] <WillDuckworth> also, cuddykid, might have to shift my launch to the 31st, jump on your notam in aug if that's ok?!? :]
[11:33] <GW8RAK> And at work here. Must keep radio here if there are going to be more Northern launches.
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> there you go
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> come to daddy
[11:33] <fsphil> 434.651.620
[11:33] <fsphil> 363km from me
[11:33] <fsphil> has it turned?
[11:33] <WillDuckworth> good stuff Upu_2E0UPU
[11:34] <cuddykid> that would work well WillDuckworth! I've got clearance atm from 1st to 5th aug
[11:34] <cuddykid> but applied for more - basically covering majority of aug!
[11:34] <cuddykid> thanks fsphil
[11:35] <fsphil> ah it's still moving away from me
[11:35] <cuddykid> can confirm that receiving loud and clear on the WHIP!! (In worcester)
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[11:36] <fsphil> ah, now it's turned
[11:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey Rob sorry got cut off
[11:39] <LazyLeopard> Seems to be doing a leisurely circle over Garforth at the moment. Distinctly undecided on ots course...
[11:39] <LazyLeopard> Ah. And now it's in something faster moving!
[11:41] <fsphil> signal is pretty solid now
[11:42] <fsphil> must be in calmer air
[11:43] <LazyLeopard> Curious jinxes in its path...
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[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> afternoon Steve
[11:44] <RocketBoy> yo - just started tracking now
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[11:45] <NigeyS> dial freq ?
[11:45] <fsphil> good coverage
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[11:45] <fsphil> 434.651.620
[11:45] <NigeyS> i got on it .8 but verrrrrry faint
[11:45] <fsphil> lovely signal here atm
[11:46] <fsphil> did you ever get that colinear up NigeyS?
[11:46] <cuddykid> how do people get chase cars to appear on map? what software are people using?!
[11:46] <NigeyS> not yet, i didnt want to pay £120
[11:46] <NigeyS> waiting for a m8 to do it
[11:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> cuddykid mine is just an iphone app
[11:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> which I'm trying to get on the apple store
[11:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> written by a guy here at work
[11:46] <fsphil> dl-fldigi also has a feature to upload car positions
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[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> rock solid now
[11:47] <cuddykid> Upu_2E0UPU: oh nice! - send it over if you want testing - I can put it on mine I think as I've got dev account :)
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll get Matt here to sort that out
[11:47] <cuddykid> cool!
[11:47] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats your mail address ?
[11:48] <cuddykid> adamcudworth @aol.com
[11:49] <jgrahamc> Wow. aol.com. It's like it's 1999 again :-)
[11:49] <WillDuckworth> might look into an android version so we cover another smartphone
[11:49] <cuddykid> lol jgrahamc - also use @gmail.com and a few others
[11:50] Action: fsphil still has and uses his @lineone.net address :)
[11:50] <cuddykid> thanks Upu_2E0UPU
[11:51] <Rob_M0DTS> off to work now..superb signal so far... ttfn
[11:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> laters
[11:51] <cuddykid> ooo - feels like 100F ... that's hot
[11:51] <cuddykid> bye Rob_M0DTS
[11:51] <LazyLeopard> Prediction's still hopping about lots
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[11:52] <fsphil> s/n is 4dB
[11:52] <cuddykid> I wonder how far these easyradio modules will work
[11:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> noisy here but I have heaps of local noise
[11:53] <fsphil> not as far as an ntx2+ssb receiver I suspect
[11:54] <fsphil> be a good experiment though
[11:54] <fsphil> I'd never have guessed reception over 500km was possible until I seen it work
[11:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> going to land on my house at this rate
[11:54] <fsphil> wouldn't that be something
[11:54] <cuddykid> yeah, I bet I'll get a few km out of them (hopefully) - which will be good
[11:55] <Colin-G8TMV> LazyLeopard: prediction is probably being upset by all the turbulence in the track
[11:55] <jgrahamc> I am using easyRadio modules for a small project, but range will be in m not km
[11:55] <NigeyS> to far north for my measely whip to get a good signal :/
[11:55] <fsphil> the last field is external temperature?
[11:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> seems a bit warm
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[11:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> the streaming audio works great fsphil
[11:56] <fsphil> and getting warmer
[11:57] <fsphil> vlc?
[11:57] <NigeyS> whats the temp ?
[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah vlc
[11:57] <fsphil> -2.3 on the last one
[11:57] <RocketBoy> anyone know the payload weight for this one?
[11:57] <NigeyS> ahh havent we seen this before, at XXm it starts to warm up, then cools off again ?
[11:57] <NigeyS> RocketBoy !
[11:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure RocketBoy
[11:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> Dutch-Mill got a line
[11:58] <fsphil> excellent
[12:00] <fsphil> 488km
[12:00] <fsphil> actually he's got a few lines
[12:00] <NigeyS> :o
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[12:01] <Dutch-Mill> went on the roof with a laptop and the yagi ;-)
[12:01] <fsphil> lol
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[12:02] <NigeyS> think if i walked on my rood it'd fall through :|
[12:02] <NigeyS> roof*
[12:02] <fsphil> shift is back up to 420hz
[12:02] <Dutch-Mill> I must leave in 20 min's
[12:03] <NigeyS> meh its moving away from me
[12:05] <fsphil> it's all over the place
[12:05] Action: Upu_2E0UPU gets out the air rifle
[12:05] <NigeyS> yippers
[12:05] <NigeyS> lol
[12:06] <NigeyS> this 1 of robs school launch thingies ?
[12:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[12:07] <NigeyS> ahh thought so, any idea what balloon it is upu ?
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> no, I was asking Rob on the phone but we got cut off because Vodafone is crap
[12:07] <NigeyS> lol good old vodafone
[12:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> rjharrison what balloon is it ?
[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> hes online
[12:08] <NigeyS> ohh
[12:08] Action: NigeyS prods rjharrison
[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> driving though possibly
[12:08] <fsphil> 30km
[12:08] <NigeyS> eek
[12:08] <NigeyS> not another unintended floater i hope
[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> Predicted Burst
[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> 53.8647, -2.05599, 36959 m at 12:41 UTC
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[12:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> I got 30km from the prediction earlier
[12:08] <fsphil> maybe he's after his altitude record again :)
[12:09] <NigeyS> well, its still got a nice ascent rate
[12:09] <cuddykid> I better not be knocked off the podium !!
[12:09] <NigeyS> lol
[12:10] <Colin-G8TMV> what is the current UK record?
[12:10] <cuddykid> 36 2xx m
[12:10] <NigeyS> 36.6 or 38.6km i think ?
[12:10] <NigeyS> close :p
[12:10] <M0JSN> 36206m
[12:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[12:11] <Colin-G8TMV> and current 2nd place?
[12:11] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, thanks
[12:12] <NigeyS> im going for the sub 100gram foil balloon record .. which is curently .. about 5km i think ? lol
[12:12] <Colin-G8TMV> so 18th atm
[12:12] <Colin-G8TMV> 17th
[12:13] <Colin-G8TMV> 16th
[12:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> *cough* Leeds Bradford air port :)
[12:13] <NigeyS> lol
[12:14] <fsphil> haha
[12:14] <jgrahamc> Sure, but it's at almost 32km high. Screw those low flying jets.
[12:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> now
[12:14] <M0JSN> it's above controller airspace
[12:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats actually going behind a hill for me soon
[12:14] <NigeyS> lol jon
[12:14] <M0JSN> *controlled
[12:14] <Colin-G8TMV> 14th
[12:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> I don't have LOS shipley -> keighley
[12:15] <Colin-G8TMV> 12th
[12:16] <Colin-G8TMV> 11th
[12:16] <Colin-G8TMV> Top 10!!
[12:17] <Colin-G8TMV> 9th
[12:17] <Dutch-Mill> the radio telemetry is @ number 3 i see
[12:18] <RocketBoy> entering the curve over to burst or float phase
[12:18] <Colin-G8TMV> 8th
[12:18] <NigeyS> burst pls!
[12:19] <Colin-G8TMV> 7th
[12:19] <cuddykid> another 2.5km until I'm knocked off!
[12:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> I am going to go outside and have a look even though I know I can't see it :)
[12:19] <fsphil> it's above my max of 33.3km
[12:20] <cuddykid> I bet it's a Hwoyee balloon!
[12:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> retuned to 434.650.500
[12:20] <NigeyS> if this 1 floats fsphil i wil definately eat the whip
[12:20] <M0JSN> haha
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> if this one floats I'm in the shit
[12:21] <NigeyS> lol
[12:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> as I don't have enough helium to make mine go any quicker
[12:21] <fsphil> 34km almost certainly
[12:21] <LazyLeopard> Still going up...
[12:21] <fsphil> oh yea
[12:22] <Colin-G8TMV> needs 35059 for 6th place
[12:22] <LazyLeopard> ...about 60 metres betwwn fixes.
[12:22] <NigeyS> dropping ascent rate at 34km .. weve seen this before..lol
[12:22] <SamSilver> looks like it's getting ready to float
[12:22] Action: NigeyS hands upu a 50cal sniper rifle
[12:22] <cuddykid> lol
[12:22] <NigeyS> 2.8m/s
[12:22] <SamSilver> 2.8
[12:22] <M0JSN> glad I'm not driving around trying to stay near it this time
[12:23] <NigeyS> hmm burst dam you, whips taste awful!
[12:23] <SamSilver> 2.6 and pass the tabascoe for NigeyS
[12:23] <NigeyS> 2.2
[12:23] <NigeyS> its gonna do it ... lmao
[12:24] <cuddykid> lol
[12:24] <SamSilver> lol
[12:24] <cuddykid> 1.7
[12:24] <NigeyS> ok so .. deep fried whip or shallow fry :(
[12:24] <cuddykid> thought mine did tail off right before burst
[12:24] <fsphil> air brakes
[12:24] <M0JSN> deep fried
[12:24] <M0JSN> nova 19 floating for bloody ages
[12:24] <M0JSN> *floated
[12:24] <NigeyS> lol
[12:25] <SamSilver> landing prediction is moving west fast
[12:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> confirming no visual
[12:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[12:25] <fsphil> I'd get the car ready if it worked :)
[12:25] <NigeyS> its a floating ...
[12:25] <cuddykid> 0.4.. LOL
[12:25] <fsphil> yep!
[12:25] <Darkside> hopefully no horus 8 :-)
[12:25] <fsphil> it went down a bit
[12:25] <NigeyS> -.3
[12:26] <cuddykid> floating indeed!
[12:26] <fsphil> red or brown sauce NigeyS?
[12:26] <NigeyS> its either gonna float now or burst
[12:26] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm...
[12:26] <M0JSN> UV will get it soon
[12:26] <NigeyS> brown pls lol
[12:26] <cuddykid> it's those gravity waves again!
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> coming down
[12:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> slowly
[12:26] <cuddykid> lol
[12:26] <SamSilver> bounce a bit I think
[12:26] <LazyLeopard> Slow descent....
[12:26] <fsphil> it hit something? :)
[12:26] <cuddykid> this is where we need live video streaming
[12:26] <fsphil> I thought the sky wall was at 36km
[12:26] <cuddykid> so we can see
[12:27] <fsphil> see the balloon or rob panicking?
[12:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats a wierd one
[12:27] <fsphil> burst?
[12:27] <Darkside> slow leak? :P
[12:27] <fsphil> eek
[12:27] <RocketBoy> the glass ceiling
[12:27] <NigeyS> didnt we have this last time, up n down for a bit then steadied out ?
[12:28] <fsphil> the last one didn't descent that quickly
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> Slow but definite descent...
[12:28] <Darkside> ok thats not a nice descent rate
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[12:28] <Colin-G8TMV> pin hole maybe
[12:28] <M0JSN> oh dear
[12:28] <cuddykid> this is very wierd
[12:28] <cuddykid> fsphil - it's coming towards you!
[12:29] <fsphil> I think it's heading for hadie:2
[12:29] <fsphil> the dales are awfully close
[12:29] <SamSilver> must have a real big smoothing cap fitted to the decent meter
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[12:31] <Darkside> Upu_2E0UPU: i'd be driving as fast as i can towards the coast at this point
[12:31] <SamSilver> how Beeeeeg is the parachute??
[12:31] <NigeyS> lol Darkside
[12:31] <Darkside> its a lot like Horus 8 :-)
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Damn - that's a huuuuge chute
[12:31] <NigeyS> so err.. sniper rifle no good, how about a cruise missile ?
[12:31] <Darkside> just this time my final year project isn't attached
[12:32] <LazyLeopard> ...at this descent rate, just how far will it travel?
[12:32] <SamSilver> para
[12:32] <SamSilver> deplued?
[12:32] <SamSilver> ployed
[12:32] <Colin-G8TMV> no, that is just the tracker finally seeing the descent
[12:32] <fsphil> it's living up to its name .. infinity is staying up there forever
[12:32] <cuddykid> this is going to be a long flight
[12:32] <Laurenceb> lol
[12:33] <Darkside> well descent rate is slowly increasing
[12:33] <NigeyS> whos on coffee duty then ? :p
[12:33] <fsphil> I bet one of the school kids poked it with a pin
[12:33] <NigeyS> lol
[12:33] <cuddykid> balloon must be in tact - so it must have a leak :S
[12:33] <Darkside> fsphil: wouldn't that make it burst on the ground?
[12:33] <fsphil> it's speeding up
[12:33] <Darkside> i guess once all the gas leaks out it'll descent normally
[12:33] <Darkside> just there'll be the ENTIRE balloon flapping around
[12:34] <fsphil> not sure Darkside .. if it's a hole in the neck it might not cause a burst
[12:34] <cuddykid> fsphil: I think the sniper should also be added to the essential HABists toolkit along with tree climbing gear lol
[12:34] <NigeyS> if it makes it to dry land ...
[12:34] <Darkside> chase cars ar enot moving lol
[12:34] <cuddykid> lol
[12:34] <Darkside> they should be driving like the blazes to the coastline
[12:35] <Darkside> or at lwast to the predicted landing area
[12:35] <NigeyS> -2.9 slowing down again
[12:35] <WillDuckworth> this is an ideal example of needing a cutdown circuit maybe
[12:35] <LazyLeopard> Tracker's unconvinced about the chute...
[12:35] <cuddykid> indeed WillDuckworth!
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> If it's -3m/s - assuming it slows in descent - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=38f037acf0dafa51359ab40d222a648ab53d06fc
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> err
[12:36] <NigeyS> doesnt rob use pyro cutdowns ?
[12:36] <Laurenceb> lol
[12:36] <Laurenceb> balloon reformed
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> That seems ... unlikely
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> oops - wrong sign
[12:36] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: lretty sure the predictor doesn't use the same descent rate all the way down
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2f49869bfe07a5481606958256a969c8df1310bc
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> wetherby
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> No, it doesn't
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> Assuming 1m/s - leeds
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> It seems to have a _lot_ of flexibility
[12:39] <jgrahamc> Is it coming down finally?
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Though position does vary almost down to wales, it stays on land
[12:39] <Laurenceb> thats descent at msl
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I know
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:39] <bugadifino> Looks like a hike up Pendle Hill foe soeone, watch out for the witches.
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Actually - yes - that may model it really poorly
[12:40] <RocketBoy> balloot
[12:40] <cuddykid> surely this descent rate will slow a fair bit when it enters denser air - then float in that air? :S
[12:40] <M0JSN> RocketBoy: know which balloon it was?
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: It depends
[12:41] <M0JSN> cuddykid: depends on the leak
[12:41] <Laurenceb> cuddykid: it seems to be leaking more
[12:41] <M0JSN> assuming that's what it is
[12:41] <RocketBoy> not sure
[12:41] <cuddykid> I suppose yeah!
[12:41] <Laurenceb> the leak my seal as the envelope compresses
[12:41] <Elwell> what weight was it?
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: If we assume it's leaking, not coming down in rags - as it must be.
[12:41] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:41] <M0JSN> the descent rate is staying roughly the same despite it descending into denser air
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Then the density increases as you go down - so with the same pressure in the balloon - more gas goes out
[12:42] <cuddykid> I see :)
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> This compensates for the linearly shrinking hole - I think
[12:42] <M0JSN> which implies its leaking as much as it needs to in order to remain under a certain internal pressure
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> M0JSN: Not quite
[12:42] <RocketBoy> possibly the leak rate is maching the increasing drag as it coomes down
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> M0JSN: The leak rate matches ...
[12:43] <M0JSN> hmm yes
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[12:43] <SpeedEvil> It's descending at a rate where the leak rate causes the aerodynamic drag due to the bouyancy mismatch to equal the bouyancy mismatch
[12:43] <M0JSN> has this ever happened before?
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> Don't think so
[12:44] <M0JSN> interesting
[12:44] <NigeyS> not seen this before :|
[12:44] <SamSilver> it fits the profile of a two ballon rig
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> It does look nicely linear over - more or less - a doubling of atmospheric pressure.
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> maybe a hint of accelleration
[12:45] <fsphil> Bill launched a small balloon with a pinhole at the bottom, it did something similar to this
[12:45] <cuddykid> It's heading home - back to Boston
[12:45] <jgrahamc> Neat. I'm guessing the balloon fancied a day out in Blackpool.
[12:45] <NigeyS> haha
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> Boston Massachusetts?
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:45] <NigeyS> maybe the neck got snagged by a cable tie or something ?
[12:46] <fsphil> that's possible
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Or the seal wasn't good
[12:46] <fsphil> I think it's heading for a splash
[12:46] <NigeyS> which ocean phil? lol
[12:46] <fsphil> lol
[12:46] <SamSilver> http://www.upmystreet.com/findmynearest/sports-and-leisure/boat-rental-leasing-and-charter-listings-in-morecambe.html
[12:46] <fsphil> maybe it'll make it to the isle of man
[12:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol SamSilver
[12:47] <NigeyS> maybe robbies planned to send it to the whitestar guys ;)
[12:47] <fsphil> signal is still good here
[12:47] <fsphil> wandering about all over the place though
[12:47] <fsphil> >30km now
[12:48] <fsphil> <30km now even
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[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Runing segments of ascents at 0.1m/s between 20 and 30km indicates that the winds are to the west quite strongly
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> So it's heading fsphil's way
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> 20-30mph
[12:50] <fsphil> the shift is now about 450hz
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> all the way downish
[12:50] <fsphil> I doubt it would make it over the irish sea
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> It's got a _long_ time to fly
[12:51] <fsphil> true
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> Depends I suppose - it's also got a long way to blow back - as the underlying wind is to the east/southeast
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> long time
[12:51] <M0JSN> 2 hours at 4m/s
[12:51] <fsphil> if it does I'll try and blag a lift
[12:52] <Colin-G8TMV> is it possible to reset the predictor - maybe say it's got a really big chute, and see what it says?
[12:52] <cuddykid> Looks like it's a goner - unless it makes it to Ireland!
[12:52] <M0JSN> I can't ssh from work, otherwise I could
[12:52] <cuddykid> or Isle of Man
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Colin-G8TMV: really big chute is mostly a lie
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> Colin-G8TMV: The problem with that is tha tthe predictor will assume - if you set a 0.1m/s chute - it to be going at 3m/s or so now.
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> It can't accept a truly constant rate all teh way down
[12:53] Action: Colin-G8TMV nods, but even that will be better than the current prediction which thinks it hasn't burst yet
[12:54] <fsphil> it still might burst
[12:54] <SamSilver> predicted buest now 36 991m
[12:54] <SamSilver> burst
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[12:55] <M0JSN> I think UV degradation is the only chance of burst
[12:55] <fsphil> yea
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=178ffc72139014cb427724601ebe4e8151a54492
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> 1m/s descent
[12:55] <fsphil> but the odds of that decrease as the balloon drops
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, this is completely broken
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> As the wind over (IIRC) 15km is going one way, the wind below another
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> This means that the predictor will assume the balloon is spending 0.1 times (say) the time in the upper air, so it's getting the first part of the descent completely wrong.
[12:56] <Colin-G8TMV> Are we in contact with the people in the Blue chase car - someone needs to let them know what is really happening
[12:56] <Laurenceb> balloon depopped
[12:56] <fsphil> descent rate has slowed
[12:56] <fsphil> uh-oh
[12:56] <fsphil> that's not good
[12:57] <NigeyS> might go back up..lol
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I don't think so
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It's been bouncing up and down but trending linearly
[12:59] <fsphil> there is a little dip upwards at the end of the altitude graph
[12:59] <fsphil> def. slowed a bit
[12:59] <Colin-G8TMV> maybe we ought to push the use of cut-down devices more strongly
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> Colin-G8TMV he'll know whats going on
[13:00] <fsphil> rjharrison_eee, I think you're going to need a bigger pole
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> fishing pole maybe
[13:01] <M0JSN> RocketBoy: any thoughts on getting nova 19 out of that tree? longer pole perhaps?
[13:01] <fsphil> this really could make it across the sea
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2.8 hours left at this decent rate
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Looking at it in gnupot, it's not really
[13:01] <fsphil> it took hadie about 2 hours to cross the sea
[13:01] <fsphil> but the winds where stronger
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> currently tracking at 0.66km/min
[13:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> even for 2 hours thats 79km
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> oops
[13:04] <M0JSN> i think cutdowns are a good idea for these larger balloons that seem prone to floating
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> I can't read - yes, it's trending slower
[13:04] <SamSilver> battery life comes into play
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Maybe a third down on its rate at teh start
[13:04] <jgrahamc> Isn't the key the inflation on these balloons? Rob said that he didn't have enough He and so it was going to ascend slowly (bit of an underfill)
[13:05] <jgrahamc> Yes, SamSilver damn right on the batteries.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> jgrahamc: It still shouldn't be doing this.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> jgrahamc: It's actively leaking
[13:05] <fsphil> it wouldn't descend though
[13:05] <M0JSN> it would do something like nova 19
[13:05] <jgrahamc> I agree SpeedEvil. This is whole new territory.
[13:05] <fsphil> unless sunset hit and the gas cooled down
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I may be wrong.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I don't _think_ leeds is 6 hours ahead of GMT
[13:05] <RocketBoy> M0JSN: yeah a longer pole - may need to engineer somthing
[13:06] <fsphil> anyone know a radio amateur on the isle of man? :)
[13:06] <M0JSN> okay.. thanks for attempting it the other day, very kind of you
[13:06] <SamSilver> http://world.guns.ru/sniper/large-caliber-sniper-rifles/brit/ai-as50-e.html
[13:06] <jgrahamc> How long a pole do you need M0JSN?
[13:06] <RocketBoy> no problem - its much higher than i thoought it would be
[13:07] <RocketBoy> 65ft
[13:07] <M0JSN> and very hard to see
[13:07] <M0JSN> yeah it's a long way up
[13:07] <Darkside> is there a IRLP node there/
[13:07] <Darkside> maybe we can get someone to do it
[13:07] <RocketBoy> yeah - or trained monkey
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[13:07] <jgrahamc> OK. That's a but beyond my SOTA pole
[13:08] <jgrahamc> How about a quadcopter with a knife attached? :-)
[13:09] <Laurenceb> it seems ot be near clit hero
[13:09] <bugadifino> A Chainsaw would sort it!
[13:09] <RocketBoy> s/n is dropping here - may not be able to track for much longer
[13:09] Action: Elwell reparses Laurenceb's lastr line
[13:10] <jgrahamc> Clitheroe
[13:10] <Elwell> I guessed :-)
[13:10] <RocketBoy> wondering about a CO2 laser to cut the line
[13:10] <Elwell> with luck it'll land on the ferry
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> just spoken to Rob
[13:11] <Laurenceb> theres a cow ark by bowland forest
[13:11] <Laurenceb> that might float
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> wget http://spacenear.us/tracker/data.php?format=kml -O -|awk 'BEGIN{OFS=" ";FS=","}/Line Track for infinity/{c=1}c==1&&/coord/{c=2;next}c==2&&/coord/{exit}c==2{print $1,$2,$3}' >data
[13:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> he's aware of the situation
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> Quick hack - to get the lat/lon/alt data from the stream
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> it should turn south around 10km
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> but ...
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> at current direction and velocity thats over the sea
[13:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> may change direction at 20k as well for that matter
[13:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats going to be so close
[13:13] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: nice
[13:13] <Elwell> expensive payload?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> It seems to be oddly two different descent rates
[13:14] <Laurenceb> the noise is odd
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> Around 29km, it slows
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> From 29-current - it's damn near linear
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[13:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> fingers crossed for a change of direction @ 20km
[13:20] <M0JSN> and you were worried it was heading away from you fsphil :P
[13:21] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, I guess it wasn't quite full enough to get to burst height... :/
[13:21] <chris_99> can you guys see a line to the left of the two main ones out of interest, on the waterfall
[13:22] Action: LazyLeopard has a whole series of lines there from some local QRM...
[13:23] <RocketBoy> heading home for some lunch - starting to feel a bit low blood sugar
[13:23] <RocketBoy> s/n dropped to about 5db
[13:23] <chris_99> aha, the rest of my waterfall is mostly blue
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[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> its slowed down
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> tracking wise
[13:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> should hit 20km alt within 5km track which is good
[13:27] <cuddykid> wow.. this is wierd
[13:27] <WillDuckworth> cuddykid - which parachute did you get exactly?
[13:27] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ended up getting a spherachute 36"
[13:28] <cuddykid> will get link
[13:28] <cuddykid> http://spherachutes.com/items/spherachutes/list.htm (the 36 inch)
[13:28] <cuddykid> with the balloon attachment
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats what I got
[13:28] <cuddykid> took about 2 weeks to arrive
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> in pink
[13:28] <cuddykid> nice upu!
[13:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> tick the box for balloon attachment....
[13:29] <WillDuckworth> it worked really well
[13:30] <cuddykid> yep, very pleased with it!
[13:30] <jgrahamc> Same parachute as on GAGA-1.
[13:30] <Darkside> Upu_2E0UPU: you have a 2m radio with you?
[13:30] <Darkside> or are near an IRLP node?
[13:30] <fsphil> signal is a bit weaker here, but still decodable
[13:30] <jgrahamc> IMHO It was a little small for the 1kg payload because of the balloon remnants adding to the weight
[13:30] <Darkside> im a bit bored, might call into an IRLP node :P
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[13:31] <fsphil> what's the current prediction? splashy landing?
[13:31] <Elwell> almost
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[13:32] <Elwell> 9 streets from the coast
[13:32] <Darkside> hmm, Harrogate, node 5533..
[13:32] <Darkside> Upu_2E0UPU: are you using 2m comms?
[13:33] <fsphil> ooh reminds me, my little walkie radio should arrive today
[13:34] <jgrahamc> What model is it?
[13:34] <fsphil> vx-7r
[13:34] <Darkside> nice
[13:34] <fsphil> got it of ebay
[13:34] <jgrahamc> I have one of those.
[13:34] <jgrahamc> Indestructible.
[13:34] <Darkside> i still love my little Icom IC-T90
[13:34] <jgrahamc> Now if I can just catch the repeater on the Isle of Man I can chat with fsphil :-)
[13:35] <fsphil> I was dithering between the second hand vx-7r or a new chinese one
[13:35] <fsphil> I've never heard the IOM repeaters
[13:35] <jgrahamc> I was kidding.
[13:35] <fsphil> I know, but I still find that odd :)
[13:35] <Darkside> hmm, i wonder what IRLP nodes are around manchester
[13:35] <fsphil> I heard someone from the IOM on the belfast repeater
[13:36] <Darkside> aww, only a UHF one at manchester
[13:36] <M0JSN> prediction couldnt be much closer to the sea
[13:36] <fsphil> and that assumes a faster descent
[13:36] <M0JSN> and now its in it
[13:36] <Darkside> what payloads are on this one?
[13:36] <M0JSN> oh well, better hope for ireland
[13:37] <fsphil> looks like the descent is still slowing
[13:37] <fsphil> If there is a hole in the balloon, would it plug itself as the balloon got smaller maybe?
[13:37] <fsphil> ie. could it float at a low altitude
[13:37] <Darkside> that could be very bad, depending on what altitude
[13:38] <fsphil> indeed
[13:38] <Elwell> what's the range for commercial aircraft?
[13:38] <Elwell> min/max alt
[13:39] <LazyLeopard> about 12kms max?
[13:39] <Colin-G8TMV> max is about 12000m
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[13:39] <Colin-G8TMV> nin is of course zero - otherwise you need really big steps
[13:40] <cuddykid> that would be bad if it floated in controlled airspace
[13:40] <cuddykid> but chances of collision still tiny
[13:41] <WillDuckworth> another 10 - 15 mins the winds will shift it
[13:41] <Darkside> so does anyone know what payloads are in?
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[13:42] <NigeyS> trouble? lol
[13:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> Darkside I'm sat in my office at work
[13:42] <Darkside> ahhhh
[13:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> keep and eye on it
[13:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> as it drops below 20km it *should* turn south
[13:42] <Darkside> thought you were out chasing
[13:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> no I put my chase car on the map to show how close I was to it passing overhead
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[13:43] <Darkside> ahh
[13:43] <Colin-G8TMV> Err.. won't it turn *North*
[13:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> sorry north
[13:43] <SamSilver> lol
[13:43] <WillDuckworth> Upu_2E0UPU - did you do that with a get on the traker.php url? or fldigi
[13:43] <Colin-G8TMV> it was heading NNE as it climbed through 20000
[13:43] <Dan-K2VOL> the MakerFaire people are making our lives an expensive stressful hell right now
[13:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> north south who cares the blue stuff i west
[13:43] <fsphil> still very close to the dales
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> If you look at the post-burst tracker track - it's south
[13:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> WillDuckworth iPhone tracker app
[13:44] <SamSilver> I thoght my tablet was upside down there for a moment
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> Which should be - at least the last part of it - accurate
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> At no point does it go north
[13:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah notice the small track north first though
[13:44] <Colin-G8TMV> SpeedEvil: no, there is a little northwards segment too - which is only small because it assume a high descent rate
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> well - no point apart from the poitn where it goes north. :)
[13:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> haha
[13:45] <Colin-G8TMV> The loop shaped bit is presumably going to be the same size as the one on the ascent
[13:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> but longer
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> it went up twice as fast as its coming down
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[13:47] <SpeedEvil> It's still looking surprisingly linear - from 29k down
[13:47] <Colin-G8TMV> we need someone with a trained eagle to go pop it
[13:48] <fsphil> a second balloon with a giant needle
[13:48] <fsphil> what could possibly go wrong
[13:48] <Colin-G8TMV> We'd need a third balloon with *2* needles
[13:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> almost stopped
[13:49] <fsphil> phew
[13:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> good news :)
[13:50] <fsphil> I hope there's a camera on here and it's still working
[13:50] <fsphil> should get some nice shots of both coasts
[13:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah I want to see my house
[13:50] <Elwell> what's the cloud cover like up there today?
[13:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> going south /
[13:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> ?
[13:51] <Colin-G8TMV> maybe it's trying to sky-write it's name - the track sure looks like writing
[13:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[13:52] <GW8RAK> Not a lot of cloud looking north from here.
[13:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> well this is one of the more interesting flights for a while :)
[13:52] <RocketBoy> should start to turn now
[13:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> err
[13:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes it is
[13:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> my god its drawning a penis
[13:52] <NigeyS> lol
[13:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> balloon is trolling us
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:53] <Colin-G8TMV> Are the school monitoring in here?
[13:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure
[13:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> apologies if they are
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Oh - neat.
[13:54] <Laurenceb> now can they get to it in time to recover the helium
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Idddn't realise you can click the track to get points
[13:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> If you click just before it started heading evenly west, you get 19900 or so.
[13:54] <fsphil> it's still up really high
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Which matches about perfectly
[13:54] <cuddykid> should start turning
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> Then the next major inflection is at 10km
[13:55] <fsphil> heading inland
[13:55] <fsphil> sweeeeet
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe 4:30?
[13:55] <fsphil> it's 290km from me
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> How is battery life?
[13:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> should be fine
[13:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> Ava lasted 48 hours and they still aren't flat
[13:58] <Colin-G8TMV> Murphy is at work, as soon as the chase car headed for Blackpool it started heading East
[13:58] <SamSilver> switching machines
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[13:58] <fsphil> signal is starting to dip a bit here, s/n is down to 0
[13:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> I don't think needs to be on the M55
[13:59] <fsphil> take that back, s/n is now 5
[13:59] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu_2E0UPU: Looks like they believe the prediction
[14:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> going to end up further south
[14:01] <LazyLeopard> Pretty much have to go at least to J3 on the M55 now...
[14:02] <Laurenceb> going to meet newton soon
[14:04] <fsphil> descent rate still looks like it's slowing
[14:04] <fsphil> but only just
[14:04] <Colin-G8TMV> But current prediction is based on it still climbing I think
[14:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> what do you reckon its going to end up south ?
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[14:05] <fsphil> I think it will head south yea
[14:06] <Colin-G8TMV> somewhere just NE of Preston
[14:06] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, on-map prediction is off with the fairies in cloud-cuckoo-land ;)
[14:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> texted Rob, I'd park up for the moment
[14:07] <Colin-G8TMV> Better if he headed back towards Preston even
[14:08] <Elwell> bet you a beer it'll float annoyingly out of reach till dark
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[14:10] <fsphil> he's near the beach, could go and get some ice cream
[14:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol yeah
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[14:13] <Colin-G8TMV> Right, it's about half way back down
[14:14] <fsphil> yikes
[14:14] <fsphil> actually they might be in a good spot now
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[14:17] <fsphil> still an excellent signal
[14:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[14:22] <Colin-G8TMV> What is the duration record for a UK flight?
[14:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> intended or unintended ?
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> The floater into the sea went ages
[14:23] <M0JSN> 10 odd hours iirc
[14:23] <M0JSN> ballasthalo2 perhaps
[14:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> XABEN did a good job last week
[14:23] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu_2E0UPU: well assuming it only counts if you recover it
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Some weren't intended for recovery
[14:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434650.300 now
[14:26] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... expecting it to turn south again as it falls through about 11000
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[14:29] <cuddykid> at least it should be a nice soft landing
[14:30] <fsphil> on blackpool tower
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[14:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> just missed a call from Rob
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[14:41] <Colin-G8TMV> I think about 25 mins before it turns south again
[14:42] <jgrahamc> So it could fly quite far south at this rate. Manchester direction.
[14:43] <Colin-G8TMV> Yes, about 2 hours to a landing
[14:44] <Laurenceb> try and recover the helium :P
[14:44] <Colin-G8TMV> how? you would need a compressor
[14:44] <Laurenceb> /jk
[14:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> tell you something this maybe the only flight where the balloon is recovered along with the payload
[14:45] <Colin-G8TMV> I wonder if it might be usable again - especially if the leak is in the neck or the sealing
[14:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> doubt it
[14:46] <rjharrison_eee> hey guys thanks for the updates
[14:46] <fsphil> rough calculation, it should land at 16:38:44 UTC
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey rjharrison sorry was making a brew
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> we are guessing like mad but we think its going to end up south
[14:47] <rjharrison_eee> np thanks for all the txts
[14:47] <fsphil> signal is fading here
[14:47] <rjharrison_eee> we cant get the map- at the moment
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> its going east agani
[14:47] <fsphil> s/n -5
[14:48] <Colin-G8TMV> Descent rate is rising
[14:48] <rjharrison_eee> whats the thoughs on staying on land
[14:48] <fsphil> odds are good atm
[14:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> but likely to swing round south in about 22 mins
[14:48] <Colin-G8TMV> it's definitely a dry landing
[14:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> you're out of the drink
[14:48] <fsphil> I'm not decoding strings anymore
[14:49] <rjharrison_eee> coool so provided it doesnt land in liverpool we might get it back
[14:49] <LazyLeopard> I'm still getting strings, but maybe not for long...
[14:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[14:49] <Colin-G8TMV> rjharrison_eee: it's more likely to land in Manchester than Liverpool
[14:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> you might be in the right area at the moment
[14:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> we have been thinking preston
[14:49] <fsphil> ah, got another
[14:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> I know the current financial situation is tight Rob but trying to recovery the balloon is a bit excessive :)
[14:50] <Colin-G8TMV> I think Blackburn rather than Preston
[14:50] <rjharrison_eee> lol
[14:51] <cuddykid> yeah I would go with Blackburn
[14:51] <fsphil> had to name it infinity .. couldn't have called it dropquicklyandnotinatree
[14:51] <cuddykid> lol fsphil
[14:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> if it goes over LIverpool it will get shot down anyway
[14:51] <rjharrison_eee> lol
[14:51] <rjharrison_eee> we likerd that
[14:52] <cuddykid> at least it won't kill anyone coming down
[14:52] <SamSilver> a few might be shot in the cross fire
[14:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> expecting it to start changing direction anytime soon
[14:52] <Colin-G8TMV> no, when you go to find it you will see some kid walking along holding the string
[14:53] <Colin-G8TMV> Upu_2E0UPU: not till 11000 I don't think
[14:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah 11.5km was when it deviated alot on the way up
[14:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> 10 mins..
[14:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> ish
[14:55] <rjharrison_eee> some great comments
[14:55] <rjharrison_eee> 'v missed launches
[14:55] <Colin-G8TMV> rob, next time - have a cut-down, please
[14:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> has made a boring afternoon more interesting
[14:55] <rjharrison_eee> have a few lined up for the next three months
[14:55] <fsphil> ooh decoding again, still weak
[14:56] <rjharrison_eee> we should try to catch this one
[14:56] <Upu_2E0UPU> at that decent speed its viable :)
[14:56] <rjharrison_eee> 12108
[14:56] <rjharrison_eee> meters atm
[14:56] <fsphil> now that would be a first
[14:56] <Darkside> at least its moving slowly
[14:57] <rjharrison_eee> we have alotof time to get into positions
[14:57] <Darkside> not 100kph like horus 8 was
[14:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[14:57] <bugadifino> coming down in airway,several planes round 9,500mtrs heading north, ooops.
[14:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> Does someone need to call ATC ?
[15:00] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like it's turned south
[15:01] <cuddykid> bugadifino: have a link to radar? on radarvirtuel showing no planes in area (but they miss a lot out)
[15:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Rob, I'd be inclined to head for the M65/A666 junction to the south of Blackburn
[15:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah it's turning
[15:03] <bugadifino> flight radar 24 shows a BA 747 at 10,500mtrs very close to balloon.
[15:04] <Dan-K2VOL> wouldn't it be nice for that pilot if the balloon had an ADS-B transmitter onboard
[15:04] <NigeyS> yup dan ;)
[15:04] <NigeyS> hm i think my lipo is gonna explode :|
[15:05] <fsphil> I'm very impressed at fldigi's ability to decode some of these strings
[15:05] <fsphil> the line on the waterfall is almost gone
[15:05] <LazyLeopard> looking quite weak here too.
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[15:07] <LazyLeopard> I'd hope it'd keep decoding tolerably at least until the blue circle gets the wrong side of me...
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/guesswork.jpg
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> track from the ascent scaled and rotated
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> overlaid
[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> Yeah, I'd agree with that
[15:09] <rjharrison_eee> who's going to overlay the flights on the tracker in realtime. Preferably with hight / range analysis
[15:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> how do I do that ? :)
[15:10] <Colin-G8TMV> rjharrison_eee: definitely reccommend a move to the M65/A666 junction
[15:10] <rjharrison_eee> radarvirtual ;-)
[15:10] <rjharrison_eee> ok
[15:10] <rjharrison_eee> movin in 5
[15:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://www.radarvirtuel.com/
[15:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> Easy Jet flight @ 9327m going in the opposite direction
[15:12] <cuddykid> coming right into the flight path alt
[15:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> I may loose it as it comes down as I have a blind spot that way
[15:12] <Elwell> are the green dots receivers?
[15:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[15:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> click on them for info
[15:13] <cuddykid> looks fine on the radar for time being
[15:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> Rob if you're still online i'd head for the M65, there is a service area at J4 you can park up
[15:14] <fsphil> now below 10km
[15:14] <cuddykid> can still hear reasonably clearly in worcester on with just the whip!
[15:14] <LazyLeopard> ...and signal here pretty faint...
[15:15] <fsphil> got a bit stronger here, but I think that's going to be pretty temporary
[15:15] <fsphil> then no more decodes
[15:16] <cuddykid> american airlines just about to head right over head (cleared by a good 500m though)
[15:16] <cuddykid> wonder if anyone spots it looking out window!
[15:16] <GW8RAK> I really wish I was at home!
[15:18] <Colin-G8TMV> I see Rob on the move again
[15:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> 0.17km/min
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> 14.84km
[15:20] <fsphil> just over an hour until landing
[15:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> just north of Burnley
[15:20] <fsphil> burrrnley
[15:21] <Colin-G8TMV> yup, certainly looks taht way
[15:21] <Colin-G8TMV> or as it looks in my map font "Bumly"
[15:21] <Colin-G8TMV> Bumley even
[15:22] <Colin-G8TMV> right, I'm going to head home from work - be back in about 20 mins
[15:23] <LazyLeopard> It's that late? Where did the day go?
[15:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> still going
[15:26] <LazyLeopard> I should, by the map, start losing packets about now...
[15:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> sped up a little puts it south of Burnley now
[15:30] <fsphil> nice, got a string when it was 8100km up
[15:31] <fsphil> er
[15:31] <fsphil> 8100m
[15:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> South of Burnley now
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[15:36] <LazyLeopard> First bad line in a while...
[15:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> just had to retune
[15:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434651.800 now
[15:37] <LazyLeopard> Must be getting close to the limit... 319kms and 7kms altitude...
[15:39] <jgrahamc> I hope that rjharrison_eee has a video camera with him because I'd love to see some video of this thing coming in to land
[15:40] <LazyLeopard> Losing signal now...
[15:41] <Laurenceb> near miss with easyjet
[15:41] <Laurenceb> <1km speration
[15:41] <fsphil> signal is still on my waterfall but not decoding complete strings anymore
[15:41] <fsphil> getting close though
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[15:42] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, faint trace of signal, but last intelligible altitude was 6626
[15:42] <jgrahamc> Vertical or horizontal Laurenceb ?
[15:42] <Laurenceb> might be able to see it from the car
[15:42] <Laurenceb> vertical
[15:43] <Laurenceb> get off at junction 8
[15:43] <fsphil> I think that's it from me
[15:43] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. That's it from me, too.
[15:44] <fsphil> 6?37 altitude
[15:44] <fsphil> hehe
[15:45] <Laurenceb> should be visable from the car
[15:45] <fsphil> should be, esp. with the inflated balloon
[15:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> its sped up
[15:45] <Laurenceb> off at junction 8
[15:46] <fsphil> any trees near bumly? :)
[15:46] <fsphil> that really is an awful font
[15:46] <Laurenceb> i dunno but that huns got a coat
[15:47] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. 18000 feet still, would be difficult to see
[15:49] <Laurenceb> lost the chase car
[15:50] <Laurenceb> oh its back
[15:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> they just eye balled it
[15:50] <Laurenceb> they are very close now :P
[15:50] <fsphil> excellent
[15:50] <jgrahamc> They saw it?
[15:50] <fsphil> also +1 for an old CB phrase :)
[15:51] <Elwell> pfft cryptome
[15:51] <Elwell> anyway -- home. good luck with recovery
[15:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah they just saw it and video'd it
[15:52] <Laurenceb> they keep losing 3g
[15:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[15:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> turning round now
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[15:56] <Laurenceb> take A666
[15:56] <Laurenceb> landing near Eagley imo
[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> Yeah told him to come off at J4
[15:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> thought I think tis further than that
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:00] <LazyLeopard> Fair chance it'll be the far side of the M61?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Interesting - descent rate was pretty much linear 29-9, now it's tailing off
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> err - increasing
[16:02] <Colin-G8TMV> it's done that a couple of times
[16:02] <Laurenceb> i predict landing near A666
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Not really - since burst, it's been two linear segments
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> pretty much - until 9000
[16:02] <LazyLeopard> Increase (up to a point) is probably good, yeah?
[16:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> not going to land on A666 at current speed
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> one from 35-29, one from 29-9 or so.
[16:02] <Colin-G8TMV> Maybe it will land on the mast at Belmont
[16:03] <Laurenceb> noooo
[16:03] <Laurenceb> thats junction 5
[16:03] <Laurenceb> durrrr
[16:03] <Laurenceb> hes going to miss it now
[16:04] <LazyLeopard> Aye.
[16:04] <Laurenceb> unless he takes lanes off
[16:04] <LazyLeopard> ...or is he trying to keep it in sight?
[16:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> dunno
[16:05] <Colin-G8TMV> the rate is bouncing about a bit
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f96a9632234143c0472db0d27a63b38a3497715e
[16:05] <LazyLeopard> Mind, the roads round there don't go in the right directions for that.
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> Predictor says pretty much straight south south west
[16:05] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. has he pulled off the motorway to stop and check things?
[16:05] <NigeyS> treeeeeeeeeees
[16:06] <Colin-G8TMV> and lakes!
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[16:06] <WillDuckworth> my bet is worthington area
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[16:07] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=168b956fc3b341788d59e5b4601dd1e5cab37f7b - better prediction
[16:08] <fsphil> noooooooo
[16:08] <fsphil> don't say the T word
[16:08] <Laurenceb> i predict landing somewhere in that valley
[16:08] <WillDuckworth> yeah SpeedEvil, looks it
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> Looks like varying from almost bolton, to a couple of miles from - depending on which descent rate you believe
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> possibly a bit east
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> west
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> maybe around the a673/a58 junction
[16:10] <Laurenceb> egerton
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> err - west of that I mean
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> middlebrook
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> hopefully not literally
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's unusually easy to spot at least. :)
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> Waht's the difference in inflation between +2m/s ascent, and -2m/s descent?
[16:13] <Colin-G8TMV> difficult to say because the parachute is presumably working
[16:13] <fsphil> heading home .. good luck guys! will check in later :)
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Colin-G8TMV: Probably
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: :)
[16:14] <Colin-G8TMV> in fact that might explain the changing descent rate - the parachute billowing open and closed
[16:15] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. tracking more south, which matches the very early ascent
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[16:16] <WillDuckworth> only really 2E0UPU uploading tracking strings by the looks of it
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[16:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> and Rob when he has 3g
[16:17] <Laurenceb> drive faster XD
[16:17] <WillDuckworth> and M0RJX_M
[16:17] <Colin-G8TMV> Rob can probably track it visually
[16:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> MORJX is in the car
[16:17] <WillDuckworth> ah - makes sense
[16:17] <Laurenceb> we need photos of this :P
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[16:19] <NigeyS> oo look a big reservoir
[16:19] <Colin-G8TMV> about 10mins to landing
[16:19] <SamSilver> ooh the drama
[16:19] <SamSilver> my wife is just shaking her head
[16:19] <Colin-G8TMV> a lake followed by trees
[16:20] <NigeyS> 5-2 that it hits a tree
[16:20] <LazyLeopard> Still over 1km above ground level there.
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[16:21] <LazyLeopard> ...but looks as if terrain is having a slight effect on the path.
[16:21] <Laurenceb> can they see it from the car?
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[16:23] <WillDuckworth> fingers crossed
[16:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> loosing it
[16:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> 865 m
[16:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> lost
[16:26] <SamSilver> well done Upu_2E0UPU
[16:27] <WillDuckworth> the drama
[16:27] <Upu_2E0UPU> all good fun
[16:27] <Laurenceb> can they see it?
[16:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> dunno I'll leave them alone for a bit
[16:28] <Laurenceb> we need photos of this
[16:28] <LazyLeopard> It's only 300 metres above ground level now...
[16:29] <cuddykid> just came back in time..
[16:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> it needs to drop before that housing estate
[16:29] <cuddykid> oh dear..
[16:29] <cuddykid> drop drop drop!
[16:30] <Laurenceb> lots of trees
[16:30] <Laurenceb> and a pond
[16:30] <cuddykid> indeed haha!
[16:30] <cuddykid> lost signal?
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[16:31] <Laurenceb> probably landed
[16:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> perfect
[16:31] <LazyLeopard> Well, I guess the trees stand a good chance of snagging it...
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[16:31] <Colin-G8TMV> it's in a valley
[16:32] <Colin-G8TMV> So if Rob has signal he may not have 3G to upload
[16:33] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, he's turned right just where I expected
[16:33] <Laurenceb> i think sixth form college grounds
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Great - 167m
[16:34] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, looks like there's a good chance it's there unless the wind played tricks and lofted it into the housing estate.
[16:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks good
[16:34] <Colin-G8TMV> thats got to be on the ground
[16:34] <Laurenceb> wut
[16:34] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> well - 167 with still vertical
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> maybe it'd just landed
[16:34] <Laurenceb> how did you get that packet
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> yeah - now down. :)
[16:35] <Laurenceb> how is that even possible
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> recievers M0RJX_M
[16:35] <Upu> Rob got it from the chase car
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> I'd guess the _M is the key
[16:35] <Upu> ignore the location its Rob in the car
[16:35] <Colin-G8TMV> Laurenceb: they are tracking and uploading from the car
[16:35] <Laurenceb> ah i see
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Great - in the middle of a clear field.
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[16:35] <Upu> ok I'm off back from home
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Zooming in a bit, the parachute hides the green menace.
[16:36] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... There's a tree right there, and another packet has just come in from the same location...
[16:36] <Colin-G8TMV> rate now zero
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[16:36] <Colin-G8TMV> Oh, tree - so there is ;)
[16:37] <cuddykid> LOL!
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> It's uncany.
[16:37] <cuddykid> what are the chances...
[16:37] <Colin-G8TMV> actually - with a rate that low it might have blown sideways into the tree
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> True
[16:37] <cuddykid> yeah
[16:37] <mattltm> Hi guys :)
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> Hi!
[16:37] <cuddykid> Hi mattltm
[16:38] <mattltm> Just seen spacenear! What's happened there?
[16:38] <cuddykid> ooo.. these easy radios have temp sensors built in :D
[16:38] <Laurenceb> have all the packets been from the car then?
[16:38] <Colin-G8TMV> No, just the last few
[16:38] <Laurenceb> ah i see
[16:39] <Colin-G8TMV> Laurenceb: the "Receivers:" line in the data panel tells you who was Rxing
[16:39] <LazyLeopard> mattltm: Balloon didn't burst, just sprang enough of a leak to make it descend.
[16:39] <mattltm> Oh, thats a new one :) Thanks LazyLeopard :)
[16:39] <mattltm> So down now I guess?
[16:39] <LazyLeopard> At one stage it looked bound for the Irish Sea.
[16:40] <LazyLeopard> Just down, a few minutes ago.
[16:40] <Laurenceb> do they have a map?
[16:40] <mattltm> fsphil could have taken a short swim to recover it :)
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> Look for the middle tree
[16:40] <Laurenceb> lol they are going round in circles
[16:40] <NigeyS> guess not hes just drove into a dead end lol
[16:40] <LazyLeopard> Chase car is driving round the houses looking for a way through.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> head for the setting sun.
[16:41] <Laurenceb> turn left
[16:41] <LazyLeopard> No sat nav there, then.
[16:41] <mattltm> Wow! The chase car from the past! Looking for the payload in 1999 :p
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Nasty misregistration
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> the imagery is 20m off the streets
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Which raises the question is the street imagery or the photography off
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> and if that tree is there, or 20m to the left
[16:43] <daveake> Blimey, that's one gentle descent!
[16:44] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: a leak rather than a burst
[16:44] <daveake> Ah
[16:44] <daveake> If I'd known it was still in the air I'd have tried to track from here :-)
[16:44] <daveake> Been out all day
[16:45] Action: Colin-G8TMV wonders what Rob is up to
[16:46] <LazyLeopard> Think the packets are getting through in a backed-up-and-shuffled order.
[16:46] <SamSilver> looks like he is going to reverse down that lane
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> The car should turn according to its heading. :)
[16:48] <Colin-G8TMV> no, it's much more funny this way
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[16:48] <SamSilver> reminds me of Laurel & Hardy
[16:49] <Colin-G8TMV> He's going to have to find a street he can get out of the end of
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[16:50] <Colin-G8TMV> That one looks a good choice
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> that one looks almost like there is a gate
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> under a tree
[16:50] <SamSilver> ooh 4x4
[16:51] <SamSilver> new position
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - it moved!
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> I noticed it was oddly stationary
[16:52] <Colin-G8TMV> That looks like it's been picked up and taken to the school office!
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[16:53] <SpeedEvil> I'd say more likely it lost lock on landing
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> and has only just regained
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> Though I guess we'll know soon.
[16:53] <Colin-G8TMV> we thought it was stuck against one of those trees, maybe it moved and regained lock
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Or it lost lock and misreported the last position
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> It was sat there for a while reporting the same position over and over again.
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[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Which is indicative of losing lock - otherwise it'd have the 'spatter' round the real landing point it's exhibiting now
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if they're looking futilely up the trees.
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> What's that circular thing overlaying the building?
[16:58] <GW8RAK> Slurry tank?
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Seems unlikely
[16:59] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. they are driving round to the building - maybe a fence we can't see
[17:01] <LazyLeopard> Presumably going to talk to the farmer.
[17:02] <Colin-G8TMV> looks more like a small factory rather than a farm
[17:04] <LazyLeopard> Definitely looks as if it's been fetched in. Presumably it had a phone number on it...
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[17:05] <SpeedEvil> I think it's been there all the time
[17:05] <jgrahamc> Streetview has a picture of the farm:http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=deene+rd,+bolton&hl=en&ll=53.603743,-2.450498&spn=0.005398,0.010761&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.603797,-2.450674&panoid=EBUAn4_-djHr8bG3IMZpVQ&cbp=12,297.92,,1,7.17
[17:05] <jgrahamc> Looks like it's here: http://www.smithillsopenfarm.co.uk/
[17:06] <Colin-G8TMV> well it's on it's weay back to the car
[17:06] <Upu> any news from Rob ?
[17:06] <jgrahamc> Yay!
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> They're chasing it as it's blowing along the ground to the tune of the Benny Hill music.
[17:07] <Upu> car and balloon together = good :)
[17:07] <Upu> lol
[17:07] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[17:07] <SamSilver> lol
[17:08] <SamSilver> what a great day
[17:08] <SamSilver> with all the highs and low one could wish for
[17:08] <jgrahamc> Can't wait to see if there's video showing the descent.
[17:08] <SamSilver> lows
[17:08] <Upu> another epic flight
[17:09] <jgrahamc> That was pretty epic
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[17:11] <LazyLeopard> Yep. On elong flight...
[17:12] <LazyLeopard> One day (mostly) gone.
[17:12] <LazyLeopard> Glad I didn't have any other plans. :)
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[17:21] <fsphil> just caught up .. looks like good news!
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[17:24] <Upu> seems so
[17:24] <Upu> still transmitting
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[17:25] <jgrahamc> Perhaps Rob's refilling it with He for another go :-)
[17:25] <Upu> lol
[17:25] <Upu> can't wait to see pics of this one
[17:25] <jgrahamc> Me too
[17:25] <jgrahamc> Especially if he's got any taken from his car as they were chasin
[17:25] <jgrahamc> g
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[17:29] <Upu> ok just got off the phone
[17:29] <Upu> payload recovered
[17:29] <Upu> balloon tore in tree on way down
[17:29] <Upu> says thanks to all for tracking
[17:31] <Upu> they are going to inspect the balloon neck when back and apparently it stinks really really bad
[17:31] <NigeyS> stinks? :|
[17:33] <Upu> yeah the latex
[17:33] <jgrahamc> Ah yes. The lovely balloon stench
[17:33] <NigeyS> ahh got ya
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[17:34] <NigeyS> picochu is on the roof, testing the new lipo
[17:34] <daveake> I was so glad he had a plastic bag to put the lump of latex in after we retrieved mine
[17:35] <daveake> Couldn't face 40 mins in the car with that smell!
[17:35] <NigeyS> lol
[17:35] <daveake> "I had" I mean
[17:36] <daveake> Tomorrow I'm seeing the sponsor for my next attempt :)
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[17:41] <daveake> I know what they're like ... I confidently predict it'll be "Can we have our company mascot teddy bear do a spacewalk with live TV coverage as it happens?" LOL
[17:52] <NigeyS> lol
[17:58] <fsphil> tis really hot today
[17:59] <NigeyS> 22 outside according to picochu
[18:00] <LazyLeopard> Been somewhat chillier down here...
[18:02] <Upu> thats a lovely track showing how the winds change at different altitudes
[18:03] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[18:08] <hibby> is pretty hot here too
[18:08] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: ping
[18:09] <hibby> 29C feels positively relaxed
[18:09] <Dan-K2VOL> hey hibby
[18:10] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: gotta question
[18:10] <hibby> lemme find the picture
[18:10] <hibby> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djhibby/5931277132/
[18:10] <hibby> combined vhf/uhf antenna? what's the vhf bit forr?
[18:15] <Dan-K2VOL> oh, north american NTSC analog TV channels 2 through 13 were allocated a long time before the rest. They were all over the place in empty spots in the VHF band 50mhz to 216MHz, then years later UHF channels 14-83 were added pretty evenly from 470MHz to 900MHz.
[18:17] <Dan-K2VOL> now those antennas are pretty much useless, the analog signals were turned off last year, and different frequencies are allocated to the digital stuff
[18:17] <Dan-K2VOL> hibby ^
[18:21] <fsphil> don't think there was ever vhf tv here
[18:21] <fsphil> in NI anyway, I know there was elsewhere
[18:22] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: didn't you have the old 405 line system? that was vhf
[18:22] <fsphil> not sure .. divis was the first tv transmitter here, it might have been 405
[18:23] <fsphil> ah yes,, "Divis was opened by the BBC on 21 July 1955 as their permanent 405-line Band I"
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[18:24] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, got a vid to show you, its uploading now
[18:24] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[18:25] <NigeyS> picochu is outside and there a huge black cloud overhead .. hmm
[18:27] <NigeyS> http://youtu.be/4bpzrUoWeyw
[18:28] <daveake> fsphil - I think you should be 2nd or 3rd now in the "Radio Range (10mW / 50 baud)" section on the "UK records" page :-)
[18:29] <daveake> I think you picked up cloud1 at around 530km
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[18:32] <fsphil> daveake, MI6VIM is me :)
[18:32] <hibby> Dan-K2VOL: cheers :)
[18:33] <daveake> Ah!!
[18:33] <fsphil> someone should try an HF TV service
[18:33] <fsphil> not that silly low resolution video over DRM
[18:34] <NigeyS> !top10
[18:34] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. fsphil(30085) 2. eroomde(23959) 3. SpeedEvil(23626) 4. cuddykid(20449) 5. Dan-K2VOL(18230) 6. Lunar_Lander(17535) 7. Randomskk(17070) 8. Laurenceb(16289) 9. Darkside(15122) 10. Upu(12738)
[18:34] <Randomskk> oh boy I need to keep up
[18:34] <Randomskk> fallen pretty far behind
[18:34] <daveake> :)
[18:34] <NigeyS> you're slipping dude!
[18:36] <fsphil> I gotta shut up lol
[18:36] <daveake> lol
[18:36] <Randomskk> fsphil: wanna trade names for a bit? ;D
[18:36] <fsphil> haha
[18:36] <Dan-K2VOL> nigeys, will have to look after work :-(
[18:36] <NigeyS> oki dan
[18:36] <daveake> I'm hoping this guy will be my astronaut next time ... http://img1.wantitall.co.za/images/ShowImage.aspx?ImageId=Smithsonian-Space-Bear%7C41BmbQfTc3L.jpg
[18:36] <fsphil> cool!
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> recovered?
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> Yes!
[18:37] <daveake> 200g. Not too shabby
[18:37] <fsphil> I almost put a little Yoshi onto hadie-2
[18:37] <Laurenceb_> with the balloon?
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[18:55] <Upu> evening
[18:57] <Upu> so I'm the 10th noisiest git on channel ? Cool
[18:59] <NigeyS> yup lol
[19:06] <NigeyS> !stat Randomskk
[19:06] <HAMBotty> Randomskk: 17089 words, 94316 letters, 97 smilies, time wasted: 9 weeks 1 day 11 hours 53 minutes .
[19:06] <Randomskk> oh, god
[19:06] <Randomskk> nine weeks
[19:06] <Randomskk> my life
[19:06] <NigeyS> haha scary when its broken down aint it
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> !stat speedevil
[19:06] <HAMBotty> SpeedEvil: 23629 words, 134462 letters, 160 smilies, time wasted: 9 weeks 13 hours 23 minutes .
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> How'd it work out time wasted?
[19:07] <NigeyS> time in channel since the bot started gathering stats
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:07] <niftylettuce> any live streams u guys know of?
[19:07] <NigeyS> !tplace
[19:07] <HAMBotty> Today, NigeyS is on place #8 out of 262.
[19:07] <NigeyS> niftylettuce, live streams of ... ?
[19:08] <niftylettuce> NigeyS: perhaps someone with a cam on their balloon
[19:09] <NigeyS> now there's a challenge
[19:09] <Upu> fsphil does SSTV occasionally
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> was the balloon still attached?
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> !stat laurenceb
[19:10] <HAMBotty> Laurenceb_: 9224 words, 53051 letters, 28 smilies, time wasted: 9 weeks 1 day 3 hours 35 minutes .
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> lol
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> how does it work out the time
[19:11] <LazyLeopard> Finally burst when it hit a tree, I think...
[19:11] Action: Laurenceb_ reads scrollback
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[19:11] <NigeyS> hehe
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> any photos of it on the way down?
[19:12] <NigeyS> hope so
[19:12] <Upu> most likely but they'll need to get home
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used IVY?
[19:13] <NigeyS> not me, what is it ?
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> http://www2.tls.cena.fr/products/ivy/
[19:13] <NigeyS> ooo
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> apparently the paparazzi gui uses it
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> trying to decide what to do for my uav ground station
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> actually http://qgroundcontrol.org
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> looks good - openpilot down have a linux build yet
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> *dont
[19:19] <Randomskk> ivy looks cool
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> http://qgroundcontrol.org/dev/mavlink_onboard_integration_tutorial
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> nice and easy
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> integrating openpilot UAVObjects is mental
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> e.g. you can link a task on the uav to a request, and have a dialogue box in the gui thats attached to its own thread on the uav
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> and its all configured via xml :S
[19:21] <Randomskk> ewww
[19:21] <Randomskk> people need to stop using xml
[19:21] <Randomskk> seriously
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> i guess its nice
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[19:21] <Laurenceb_> but its such a massive overkill, and thats probably why its unfinished
[19:21] <Randomskk> haha not like any other projects I could think of
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> qgroundcontrol looks good - finished linux build
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> and easy to integrate with your own code on the uav
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> meamo as well XD
[19:23] <Laurenceb_> i need to buy my vtail trainer
[19:23] <Laurenceb_> but out of money for next month or so :(
[19:24] <Laurenceb_> dactyl board is pretty much ready to go on the plane now
[19:24] <Randomskk> sweet
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> hopefully i can get my hands on a pipextreme board for the ground end
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> pip doesnt seem to have posted the gerbers :-/
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> i think she wants a monopoly on selling the pcbs and hasnt got round to organising it:(
[19:30] <Upu> I have a question with Arduino coding if anyone has a few mins
[19:31] <Upu> I have a float with a value of LONGDEC = 51.82181
[19:31] <Upu> I'm trying to built the Telemetry string
[19:31] <Upu> build
[19:32] <Upu> i.e sprintf(TELEMETRYSTRING,"$$AVA %0.5f",LONGDEC)
[19:32] <Upu> something like that anyway
[19:32] <Upu> but Arduino doesn't implement that %f
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> i dont know if it support fprintf
[19:34] <daveake> http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1200716061
[19:34] <Upu> don't think it does
[19:34] <Upu> so I tried to break it down
[19:34] <Upu> yeah like that page
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[19:38] <Laurenceb_> http://qgroundcontrol.org/_detail/qgroundcontrol-mac-google-earth-airplane.png?id=screenshots
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> ^nicee
[19:39] <daveake> I'm using a 24 series PIC for a work project; might use that for my next HAB rather than an Arduino
[19:40] <Laurenceb_> http://qgroundcontrol.org/_detail/qgroundcontrol-mac-google-earth-airplane.png?id=screenshots
[19:40] <Laurenceb_> thats pretty awesome too
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[19:46] <daveake> Oh, this is spooky. I googled by name and "balloon" to see if anything came up. What came up was someone else with the exact same name who works on HABs at "The Colorado Space Grant Consortium"
[19:47] <daveake> google *my* name
[19:47] <daveake> Might send him an email :)
[19:50] <fsphil> haha
[19:50] <Laurenceb_> "Please not that due to Google's strict plugin policy there is at this point no Google Earth support for Linux"
[19:50] <Laurenceb_> grrrrrr
[19:50] <fsphil> your *evil* clone
[19:51] <daveake> LOL. Or perhaps I'm the evil one ...
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[19:59] <Laurenceb_> hmm apparently osgearth can be made to work on ubuntu
[19:59] Action: Laurenceb_ is happy
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> just needs nokia n950+HUD goggles
[20:02] <Upu> Just had Rob on again, sadly no pictures someone forgot to turn the auto off off
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> Eeek.
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:02] <Upu> and the balloon had some small holes near the neck where the tie wrap had been
[20:03] <Upu> as it had expanded gas had leaked out
[20:03] <hibby> fsphil: singing your praises to the chaps in #amateur-radio at the moment about ssdv
[20:04] <hibby> ##amateur-radio, even
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
[20:04] <fsphil> coolies!
[20:04] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum...
[20:04] <hibby> we're talking about coding encoders/decoders for radio
[20:04] <hibby> or at least, better documented ones...
[20:04] <fsphil> imaging or just digital in general?
[20:05] <hibby> digital in general
[20:05] <LazyLeopard> That auto-off issue has killed photos from at least three relatively recent flights...
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> just chuck a pll/dll at it
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> thatll give you many dB
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> without any coding fancyness
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[20:30] <Laurenceb_> ardupilot is supported by qgroundcontrol... wut
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> its not fair :(
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[20:39] <Elwell> nada pics from recovery either? bummer.
[20:46] <rjharrison> Hi everyone thanks for all you help today with the tracking
[20:47] <rjharrison> I discovered the problem with the balloon an why it slowly descended
[20:47] <NigeyS> hey rob, what was the issue ?
[20:48] <rjharrison> It appears that when it was stretched at appogy rather than poping lots of small perforations occured arround the ting off point
[20:48] <rjharrison> tying off
[20:48] <rjharrison> I'm very tired
[20:48] <NigeyS> ohh thats unlucky, and very rare!
[20:49] <rjharrison> I have pictures of the issues this was with one of the fat necked balloons
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> What was it tied on with?
[20:49] <rjharrison> Be interesting to see whay caused the other long flights we have had recent;y
[20:49] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil the ususal 3 cable ties and then covered with gaffer
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[20:53] <rjharrison> Needs some tea and a rest will be back on soon. Have another big launch end of month with 6 go-pro HD cams
[20:53] <NigeyS> 6 :o
[20:54] <fsphil> !!
[20:54] <rjharrison> Yep it's a bit of a story for another day. I'm really flagging.
[20:54] <russss> better hope you don't lose that one :P
[20:55] <NigeyS> pyro! lol
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[21:00] <NigeyS> hey steve
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[21:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=264893989 - what a bargain!
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[21:12] <RocketBoy> hey guys - what happend in the end today - did the infinity guys get the payload back?
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Yes!
[21:12] <daveake> yep
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> But no photos again.
[21:12] <daveake> Camera turned itself off
[21:13] <daveake> Unlike my case where I think I turned it off ...
[21:13] <RocketBoy> cool - did they have any idea what was up with the balloon?
[21:13] <daveake> tiny holes near the neck
[21:14] <daveake> not sure but someone mentioned the cable ties
[21:14] <NigeyS> rjharrison> It appears that when it was stretched at appogy rather than poping lots of small perforations occured arround the ting off point
[21:14] <RocketBoy> ah - pointy cable ties?
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[21:15] <NigeyS> guessing so
[21:16] <RocketBoy> ah - ok I'll catch up with Robert tomorrow and see what he thinks the reason is
[21:17] <NigeyS> did you get my message earlier about the foil balloon launch steve ?
[21:17] <RocketBoy> Sorry - no - I have been out all evening - but cool - when is it?
[21:18] <NigeyS> ahh oki, either 23rd or 24th of this month
[21:18] <NigeyS> ill fully inflate the 4x36inchers as we discussed a while back
[21:34] <Upu> RocketBoy hi there you about ?
[21:35] <RocketBoy> yep
[21:35] <Upu> PM
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[21:36] <RocketBoy> NigeyS: cool I'm looking forward to it
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil RocketBoy NigeyS niftylettuce
[21:36] <NigeyS> RocketBoy, me to, be intersting to see how high it gets before burst
[21:36] <NigeyS> hey lunar
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy we got a new challenge
[21:37] <fsphil> hihi LL
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> niftylettuce asked about a ARHAB telescope
[21:40] <RocketBoy> a tacking telescope would be cool
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[21:43] <RocketBoy> All very do-able IMO
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> and not so complicated as Stratoscope II
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[21:44] <fsphil> probably expensive
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[21:45] <mixio_citizen> I still cant order from radiometrix. I have 46 verified euros in my account. They try to draw 41 euros and still they get error
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[21:48] <Randomskk> you may be forgetting conversion fees etc
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[21:54] <mixio_citizen> no no
[21:55] <mixio_citizen> i dont know
[21:55] <mixio_citizen> i hate radiometrix
[21:55] <mixio_citizen> stupid ways to exhange money
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[21:59] <Laurenceb_> oh _thats_ why my gps performance is poor
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> reported error is ~150m
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> rather poor signal on gnd floor of my house :P
[22:09] <niftylettuce> RocketBoy: you think its do-able?
[22:10] <RocketBoy> yep - need to get a scope with a motor drive that takes alt/az commands
[22:11] <RocketBoy> and settable slew rate
[22:11] <RocketBoy> then its just a bit of maths on the GPS position
[22:16] <hibby> circular coordinates and square degrees ftw
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[22:23] <RocketBoy> nights
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