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[07:02] <daveake> Hi Pud.
[07:03] <Upu> morning
[07:03] <daveake> Morning :-)
[07:03] <daveake> Didn't get much sleep!
[07:03] <Upu> haha
[07:04] <Upu> can imagine
[07:04] <daveake> Packing the car up with cylinder etc for the launch.
[07:04] <Darkside> ooh, launch today?
[07:05] <Upu> yeo
[07:05] <Upu> yep
[07:05] <daveake> Should be :-). Aiming for 11am
[07:05] <Upu> ok dag walk time
[07:06] <daveake> Take the "o" from "yeo", and put it in "dag", see what you come up with :)
[07:06] <daveake> Once it's up we'll come back home (only a few hundred yards) to drop the cylinder and pick up the Yagi, maps etc and then we'll go up to the Ridgeway which has a clear view of the expected route
[07:06] <daveake> If the GPS drops out at 60,000 feet we'll then head for the landing site area
[07:07] <daveake> I'll try and stay on the IRC channel as much as I can
[07:11] <daveake> A friend has a paramotor and will be heading over to the landing area to help with the chase :-)
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[07:29] <eroomde> daveake: what's your expected launch time BST?
[07:32] <Upu> [08:05] <daveake> Should be :-). Aiming for 11am
[07:33] <eroomde> bst?
[07:33] <Upu> 1000 UTC / 1100 BST I think
[07:34] <Upu> you sorting the tracker out ?
[07:35] <eroomde> nope - lost the details a while ago. must get them back!
[07:35] <Upu> yeah
[07:36] <Upu> anyone about who can sort the tracker out ?
[07:36] <Upu> I can fix the points
[07:36] <Upu> just not the title
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[07:37] <eroomde> DanielRichman, jonsowman, should be able to
[07:37] <Upu> ok
[07:37] <Upu> that should make something flash :)
[07:37] <eroomde> but they are <22 and it's 8.30 on a sunday morning
[07:37] <Upu> lol
[07:37] <SamSilver> morning
[07:37] <Upu> morning
[07:37] <eroomde> morning SamSilver
[07:39] <SamSilver> eroomde: I got two batches of dough on the go, one 36 hrs old and one on proof and a launch to look forward to
[07:39] <SamSilver> all is good with the world
[07:40] <eroomde> ah wow
[07:40] <eroomde> i start my new job tomorrow
[07:40] <eroomde> though lots of packing to do...
[07:40] <SamSilver> xaben launch not my own yet!
[07:40] <eroomde> but am similarly optimistic
[07:40] <eroomde> it's not XABEN today, we just just discussing the need for the tracker to be cleared!
[07:40] <eroomde> CLOUD1
[07:41] <Upu> should be able to amend that via the web ui
[07:41] Action: Upu pokes natrium42
[07:41] <SamSilver> CLOUD1 yes grifbot was going on and on about it yesterday and friday
[07:42] <eroomde> he talks a lot, does griffonbot
[07:43] <eroomde> also i just my new road back yesterday (work is 12 miles from new home) and I really connot wait to get in to a good work cycling habit
[07:43] <eroomde> 25 miles each day = more sourdough
[07:43] <SamSilver> griffonbot: waaaasup??
[07:43] <SamSilver> and cheese
[07:44] <eroomde> fo sho
[07:44] <eroomde> we had a cusf cheese party on tuesday
[07:44] <eroomde> decent bottle of port, a cheese board courtesy of the normally-too-expensive-but-who-cares-this-one-time cheese shop/deli
[07:44] <SamSilver> and .../\?
[07:45] <eroomde> profit!!!
[07:45] <eroomde> well, just lots of chatting about ESA work and what next
[07:45] <eroomde> seeing if I can persude Iain to come and work for Vorticity
[07:45] <SamSilver> did you watch last shuttel launch
[07:45] <eroomde> yup
[07:46] <SamSilver> was bitter sweet
[07:46] <eroomde> bit scary at the t-31s hold
[07:47] <SamSilver> I heard a bit of chat then but was resolved with seconds to spare
[07:48] <SamSilver> afk - going to feed sourdough and then get a cupa java back in a bit
[07:48] <eroomde> cool
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[07:57] <daveake> eroomde - Aiming for 11am BST. Might be a bit later depending on hitches and/or waiting for a bit of clear sky to aim into!
[07:58] <eroomde> cool - good luck!
[07:58] <eroomde> what's the prediction saying?
[07:58] <daveake> Thanks :-)
[07:59] <daveake> Just north of the Chilterns, NW of High Wycombe. I ran 3 predictions this morning with different amounts of helium and it doesn't vary a lot.
[07:59] <eroomde> ah ok
[07:59] <eroomde> my new job is right near there
[07:59] <eroomde> it's north of watlington
[08:00] <eroomde> if you launched tomorrow i'd come and pick it up!
[08:00] <daveake> LOL
[08:01] <daveake> After the launch we'll head out to the Ridgeway which is the highest bit of ground near here, and has a great view out towards the landing site. We'll wait there till it's time to go chase it down. I should have 3G coverage there so I should be on IRC and spacenear
[08:01] <daveake> and running dl-fldigi of course
[08:01] <eroomde> cool
[08:02] <daveake> Can't see much blue sky but the winds are low and it's dry. So far. Should get some sun later. Would be nice to see it go up into blue sky for a while, and nice to get photos of something other than clouds!
[08:15] <Pudding> I just had a nervous pee for you Dave, nothing to do with the beer I just drank honest guv ;-)
[08:15] <eroomde> y start
[08:15] <eroomde> that's an early start*
[08:16] <Upu> lol
[08:16] <Upu> whats the dial frequency at your end daveake
[08:23] <DanielRichman> hi.
[08:24] <DanielRichman> Upu: what needs changing?
[08:24] <Upu> morning DanielRichman
[08:24] <Upu> Cloud launch this morning
[08:24] <Upu> 1000 UTC
[08:25] <DanielRichman> CLOUD1 launch 10/7/11 1000 UTC
[08:25] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch
[08:25] <DanielRichman> ^^ this ok?
[08:25] <Upu> yup do the job thx
[08:26] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - CLOUD1 launch 10/7/11 1000 UTC
[08:27] <DanielRichman> done
[08:27] <Upu> many thanks
[08:29] <fsphil> morning all
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[08:30] <daveake> pudding LOL
[08:31] <daveake> Upu 464.650Mhz Tx
[08:31] <daveake> I'm currently busy feeding my helpers!
[08:31] <Upu> cool go on then go launch it :)
[08:31] <daveake> Nah, think I'll delay .... LOL
[08:31] <Upu> :)
[08:31] <Upu> good luck anyway
[08:32] <daveake> Still no blue sky but wind is nice and low and there's no rain
[08:32] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
[08:33] <fsphil> similarly cloudy here today
[08:33] <fsphil> forecast of lightning later
[08:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> likely to rain here
[08:33] <daveake> I should be online during the launch. Mobile phone reception is poor round here but I should get something.
[08:33] <daveake> After the launch we'll go to a high hill about 15 mins away and there should be 3G out there
[08:33] <daveake> Maybe I'll get a photo of the lightning :)
[08:34] <daveake> Maybe it'll get hit :-(
[08:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> admittedly is they came down in a fireball at silver stone that would be a first
[08:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> is they ?
[08:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> meh sorry Sunday morning
[08:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> if it
[08:35] <fsphil> definitely lol
[08:36] <Darkside> hmm
[08:36] <Darkside> in weeks time i'll be on my way to the UK!
[08:36] <fsphil> remember to pack the suncream!
[08:36] <fsphil> oh wait
[08:37] <fsphil> you're coming *to* the UK
[08:38] <Darkside> :P
[08:39] <Darkside> pack for an english summer?
[08:39] <Darkside> i.e. RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN
[08:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> probably safest
[08:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> though it has been quite warm lately
[08:43] <daveake> Right, time to go offline for a while. Will try and get back on before the launch.
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[08:46] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] not a balloon flight but worth watching"
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[08:52] <fsphil> ^^ we so gotta do that some day :)
[08:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> needs moar spin
[08:53] <fsphil> yea lol
[08:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> yup I want to do that :)
[08:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol at the landing noise
[08:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> all that coolness and it sounds like a dust bin lid at the end
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[09:08] <fsphil> it doesn't look to be that big a rocket
[09:10] <jonsowman> morning all
[09:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning
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[09:18] <fsphil> I needa head into the attic soon
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[09:20] <jgrahamc> Morning
[09:20] <jgrahamc> Is CLOUD1 going to be released today?
[09:20] <eroomde> good morning jgrahamc
[09:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning
[09:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes
[09:20] <eroomde> so far so good jgrahamc
[09:20] <jgrahamc> Hey eroomde
[09:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> 40 mins or so
[09:20] <jgrahamc> Great
[09:20] <jgrahamc> I'll get the radio out then
[09:21] <jgrahamc> Discovered last night that my FT790R is so old it generares at 1750Hz tone for repeaters. Oops.
[09:22] <eroomde> by design?
[09:22] <eroomde> maybe you just emit the tone constantly but have tuned it out because you have to live with it
[09:22] <eroomde> this I offer as just another hypothesis
[09:23] <jgrahamc> No it has the older tone generator board in it (it's a replaceable module). The one I have is for really ancient repeaters. There's a replacement module that does CTCSS tones
[09:24] <jgrahamc> OK. I'm up on the tracker board. Will probably be a while before I can hear it in London though. It's flying from near Oxford, right?
[09:25] <eroomde> yup
[09:25] <eroomde> well, just north of newbury I think
[09:25] <jgrahamc> Fair ennough
[09:25] <jgrahamc> BTW I did find that there's a working central London repeater: GB3LW
[09:25] <eroomde> unless it's launching from a different place to where it was on the map this morning
[09:25] <eroomde> is there any useful content on it?
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[09:26] <eroomde> at best repeaters usually seem to be old men talking about their hemorrhoids and at worse just crazy people doing pirate radio stations and screaming a lot
[09:27] <Darkside> anyone had experience taking a national express coach from heathrow?
[09:28] <jgrahamc> Occasional rag chews, but mostly it's quiet.
[09:28] <cuddykid> morning all
[09:28] <jgrahamc> OK. I'm all set up. Popping out to do the shopping.
[09:28] <jgrahamc> Back later
[09:28] <eroomde> Darkside: yes
[09:28] <eroomde> it's fine
[09:28] <eroomde> and you'll be heading west rather than taking the M25 so it shouldn't be bad
[09:28] <Darkside> ok
[09:28] <cuddykid> just had a look at the prediction on current launch page -> should be an interesting landing!
[09:29] <eroomde> cuddykid: liunk?
[09:29] <eroomde> link, even
[09:29] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b76b326094e9dcc91527a553da1ca3cb02f92fda
[09:29] <Darkside> eroomde: i think i'll take a coach from heathrow to bath, rather than taking trains
[09:29] <eroomde> Darkside: in general the national express coaches are pretty good
[09:29] <eroomde> but i usually take trains given the choice
[09:29] <Darkside> why?
[09:29] <cuddykid> should avoid outskirts of London just by the looks of it
[09:29] <eroomde> but you can get coach tickets for like £1.50 if you book a 6am one a week in advance
[09:30] <eroomde> Darkside: bit more room
[09:30] <eroomde> and faster
[09:30] <Darkside> in this case i'd have to get to paddington first
[09:30] <cuddykid> yeah, Darkside: I would opt for train if possible
[09:30] <Darkside> how do i get from heathrow to paddington?
[09:30] <cuddykid> tube?
[09:30] <eroomde> things on roads around london can be very prone to traffic
[09:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> tube
[09:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> Heathrow Express
[09:30] <eroomde> Darkside: there's a direct express train (heathrow express)
[09:30] <eroomde> heathrow to paddington
[09:30] <cuddykid> yeah, or express would be your best bet
[09:30] <eroomde> no other stops
[09:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> very quick very nice very new
[09:30] <Darkside> oh cool
[09:31] <eroomde> it's more expensive than the tube but it's a long long old tube ride
[09:31] <Darkside> ok, i'm going to chec up on prices now
[09:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> then you get to London and everything else is a shit tip :)
[09:31] <cuddykid> lol
[09:31] <eroomde> with all your luggage too, in the summer - wouldn't be much fun
[09:31] <Darkside> does national rail do the tube?
[09:31] <cuddykid> no
[09:31] <eroomde> no, that's TFL - transport for london
[09:31] <Darkside> eroomde: it will be one suitcase
[09:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> https://www.heathrowexpress.com/
[09:31] <eroomde> Darkside: regardless, the tube gets warm
[09:31] <eroomde> even by aussie standards
[09:31] <cuddykid> Darkside: yeah, tube is horrid in summer
[09:31] <Darkside> define: warm
[09:31] <cuddykid> +30C
[09:31] <Darkside> i'm used to walking around in 40 degrees temps
[09:32] <Darkside> BAH
[09:32] <cuddykid> above that
[09:32] <cuddykid> lol
[09:32] <Darkside> you are all weaklings
[09:32] <cuddykid> but crammed in with loads of other hot sweaty people
[09:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> well lets put it this way, I would say that at busy times if you transported animals all stuffed together like that you'd get arrested
[09:32] <cuddykid> haha
[09:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> also get ready for black snot
[09:32] <Darkside> >_>
[09:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> welcome to England :)
[09:32] <eroomde> black snot?
[09:32] <cuddykid> lol Upu_2E0UPU
[09:32] <Darkside> so, i should take the coach then
[09:32] <eroomde> no no!
[09:32] <Darkside> or should i go on the tube just for the experience
[09:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah under ground if you blow your nose when you've been on it :)
[09:32] <eroomde> well the coach would be fine
[09:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> No go on the heathrow Express
[09:33] <cuddykid> Darkside: heathrow express, then train
[09:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> its way quicker
[09:33] <Darkside> lol ok
[09:33] <eroomde> but i would do the heathrow express to paddington then get the train to bath
[09:33] <eroomde> it's a lovely train ride through the countryside
[09:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm being negative about it
[09:33] <eroomde> it has bar too
[09:33] <Darkside> >_>
[09:33] <Darkside> what about luggage? how does that work on the train
[09:33] <cuddykid> theres spaces to put luggage
[09:33] <Darkside> i've nevert been on a cross-country train before
[09:33] <eroomde> they have luggae holders at the ends of the carriages
[09:34] <eroomde> you don't pay any more for them
[09:34] <Darkside> ok
[09:34] <Darkside> what about on the tube?
[09:34] <eroomde> and overhead storage too
[09:34] <Darkside> just keep it close to me?
[09:34] <eroomde> yes
[09:34] <cuddykid> none on tube
[09:34] <cuddykid> just hold onto it lol
[09:34] <eroomde> but heathrow express obviously has lots of luggage space
[09:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> Tube can be sketchy for luggage and if you leave it alone for 5 mins they will blow it up
[09:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> Welcome to England !
[09:34] <cuddykid> haha
[09:34] Action: Upu_2E0UPU doesn't work for the UK Tourist board
[09:35] <Darkside> hahahhaha
[09:35] <eroomde> had me fooled
[09:35] <Darkside> thanks guys
[09:35] <cuddykid> gathered that upu ;)
[09:35] <cuddykid> no problem
[09:35] <cuddykid> hope the weather stays nice for you
[09:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you're outside of rush hour you should be fine
[09:35] <eroomde> Darkside: when do you arrive?
[09:35] <cuddykid> I'll be gone off to florida thurs
[09:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> otherwise the tube can be very busy
[09:35] <eroomde> yeah the tube is basically fine unless it's 7-9am or 4.30-6.30pm. then it's hell
[09:35] <cuddykid> good point Upu, tube will be fine middle of day
[09:35] <Darkside> oh god
[09:36] <Darkside> i arrive next monday, 0635
[09:36] <cuddykid> rush hour
[09:36] <Darkside> after customs and shit, probably leaving for bath around 0800
[09:36] <Darkside> wheee
[09:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> anyway don't worry about it if you speak loudly on the tube in an Aussie accent they'll assume you have a knife as we've all seen Crocodile Dundee and leave you alone
[09:36] <cuddykid> heathrow express
[09:36] <eroomde> Darkside: heathrow express followed by paddington to bath train will completely circumvent all of these issues
[09:36] <eroomde> it's the most comfortable way of doing it
[09:36] <Darkside> ok, going from national rail...
[09:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> does your train leave from Paddington ?
[09:36] <eroomde> an 8am the trains going *out* of london towards the provinces should be much emptier
[09:37] <Darkside> 28 pounds
[09:37] <Darkside> i havent found the pound key on my keyboard yet
[09:37] <Darkside> and my terminal doesnt support UTF8
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> won't even need to go on the underground if your train leaves from Paddington or Kings Cross as they are next to each other
[09:37] <eroomde> for heathrow express?
[09:37] <Darkside> so when i see you guys talking about pounds, i always see ?150
[09:37] <Darkside> ?1.50*
[09:37] <Darkside> eroomde: through to bath
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> £ ?
[09:37] <eroomde> Upu_2E0UPU: no they're aren't
[09:37] <eroomde> kings cross and st pancras are next to each other
[09:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah sorry my bad
[09:38] <Darkside> st pancreas?
[09:38] <eroomde> paddington is out west
[09:38] <eroomde> pancras
[09:38] <eroomde> not pancreas
[09:38] <Darkside> :P
[09:38] <Darkside> i'm calling it pancreas
[09:39] <eroomde> the other one is called liver
[09:39] <eroomde> ...pool street
[09:39] <Darkside> cool
[09:39] <Darkside> :D
[09:39] <Darkside> anyone had experience coming in through customs at UK?
[09:39] <eroomde> no, though i think it's easier doing aus to uk than uk to aus
[09:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> I doubt you'll have any issues
[09:39] <Darkside> ok
[09:40] <eroomde> we don't lock the country down when a vine weavel is spotted in someone's beard
[09:40] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
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[09:40] <eroomde> i.e. no biosecurity, and i don't think customs are worried about aussies
[09:41] <Darkside> hahahahaha
[09:41] <Darkside> yeah, we're laid back and all
[09:41] <Darkside> g'day mate
[09:41] <Darkside> me mate's a farkin cunt and all
[09:41] <Darkside> >_>
[09:41] <Darkside> <_<
[09:41] <eroomde> wear a hat with corks dangling from string around the circumference
[09:41] <eroomde> you'll have no problems
[09:41] <Darkside> also, in australia we call friends cunts, and enemies mate
[09:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> the Queen issues your passports so you should be good
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[09:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> free advise, don't get on the tube and start calling people cunts you might not get off :)
[09:42] <Darkside> hahaha
[09:42] <Darkside> of course not
[09:42] <eroomde> Darkside: don't call someone a cunt on a night out in bristol
[09:42] <eroomde> lol too slow
[09:42] <Darkside> but i think i could defuse any situation by talking in an exaggerated accent
[09:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> oddly mate wil be ok :)
[09:43] <eroomde> if someone pulls a knife on you, just say 'that's not a knife...'
[09:43] <Darkside> i rarely say mate anyway
[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> My friend came over from Mebourne and he tried to start talking to random people on the tube and no one would talk to him
[09:43] <Darkside> hahahahahhaaha
[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[09:43] <Darkside> i don't do that
[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> probably because no one on the tube actually speaks english
[09:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> our immigration policy could be politely described as "porous"
[09:43] <fsphil> last time I was on the tube was in 2005, not long after the bombs -- I kept quiet :)
[09:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> haha yeah
[09:44] <eroomde> i wish we could have a one-in-one-out policy and ship EDL members off whenever someone comes in
[09:44] <eroomde> they came to cambridge yesterday
[09:44] <fsphil> urg
[09:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> pain in the ass they are
[09:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> they spoilt my BBQ last year
[09:44] <eroomde> wearing black shirts (irony lost on them) and stocking up on vodka bottles in the petrol station near us
[09:45] <Darkside> mm
[09:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> my mate is a police man and my mum is a nurse so they were both recalled
[09:45] <Darkside> so i'm going to have to go around the country on weekends and visit you guys :P
[09:45] <Darkside> there'd better be a balloon launch on while i'm there >_>
[09:45] <Darkside> preferably from oxford
[09:45] <eroomde> well i'll be incentral ox, right by the train station
[09:45] <fsphil> bound to be
[09:45] <eroomde> so that should be super easy
[09:45] <eroomde> and it's a good base for dashing into london too
[09:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you're still about on the 24th I should be going up
[09:45] <eroomde> so you're welcome whenever
[09:46] <Darkside> Upu_2E0UPU: 24th of what
[09:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> this month
[09:46] <Darkside> :D
[09:46] <Darkside> i'm in the UK from the 18th of july to the 28th of august
[09:46] <eroomde> that's a decent stint
[09:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> Not going from Cambridge though
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[09:47] <jcoxon> morning all
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[09:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning jcoxon
[09:48] <Darkside> oh yes, thats something i wanted to ask
[09:48] <Darkside> phone numbering systems
[09:48] <Darkside> how the hell does a mobile phone number work over there
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> yours
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> or one here ?
[09:48] <eroomde> you get a phone number
[09:48] <eroomde> the end
[09:48] <Darkside> example for australia: 04 (mobile) 28 (provider) XXXXXX
[09:48] <Darkside> i.e. 0428XXXXXX
[09:48] <Darkside> in the UK i see 07XXXXXXXXX
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> loose the 0 put +61 in front for yours I think i.e +61428xxxxxx
[09:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> so put +447xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[09:49] <Darkside> aha
[09:49] <Darkside> so 7 is the 'mobile' code
[09:49] <eroomde> there probably is some reasoning to to it but i don't think anyone really knows or cares. 01 = landline and 07 = mobile usually
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> sorta yes
[09:49] <Darkside> then everything after that is provider / phone number
[09:49] <fsphil> 02 and 03 are also landlines
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you change your numbers to +61xxxxxx everything will work
[09:49] <Darkside> yeah i know that Upu_2E0UPU
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> even if you're still in oz
[09:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> k
[09:49] <Darkside> im thinking stuff in UK itself
[09:49] <fsphil> also you can carry a number between operators
[09:50] <Darkside> i.e. i just got given some UK phone numbers
[09:50] <fsphil> which is handy
[09:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> if you call it from your Oz mobile dial +441234 123456
[09:50] <eroomde> Darkside: I'd grab a simple pay as you go from someone like tesco
[09:50] <Darkside> i need data
[09:50] <eroomde> ah ok
[09:50] <Darkside> if i'm not roaming, is O2 ok?
[09:50] <eroomde> well you can do that too - do you have a handset?
[09:50] <Darkside> fsphil: what were the data prices for that o2 sim you had?
[09:50] <eroomde> 02 is fine. that's who I have
[09:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> Three is pretty good for data coverage
[09:50] <fsphil> Darkside, lemme get the url
[09:50] <eroomde> i think tesco mobile is an 02 reseller infact
[09:51] <Darkside> i plan to remove the sim card from my phone before i go to france
[09:51] <Darkside> (i figure i should go to france because it is there)
[09:51] <eroomde> lol
[09:52] <eroomde> eurostar is nice too
[09:52] <Darkside> yeah i want to take the train :-)
[09:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> jcoxon do we know if London Hackspace has broadband we can use ?
[09:52] <eroomde> london to paris in 2hrs
[09:52] <eroomde> and a glass of fizz to get you in the mood
[09:52] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, yeah
[09:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> ADSL or something with a little more upload ?
[09:52] <Darkside> lol eroomde
[09:52] <eroomde> jcoxon: it much we worth throwing out a call for talks soon
[09:52] <Darkside> i rarely drink alcohol
[09:53] <Darkside> but i do plan on meeting some friends for beers in london somewhere
[09:53] <eroomde> just so we can guage roughly want interest there is from people to show and tell, and figure out time slots
[09:53] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, that i don't know
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[09:53] <jcoxon> eroomde, yeah i think it is probably worth it
[09:53] <Darkside> oh man, a HAB talk in london?
[09:53] <Darkside> can i come? :D
[09:53] <Darkside> aussie rep
[09:53] <eroomde> Darkside: you might be taken aback by the english, especially student, drinking culture
[09:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok just been trying some stuff to stream with
[09:53] <Darkside> eroomde: don't worry, we have as bad a culture here
[09:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> OGG Theora doesn't work reliably
[09:53] <Darkside> engineers in particular
[09:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> well doesn't work at all tbh
[09:54] <eroomde> ok cool. usually the US guys get a little thrown for the first few weeks
[09:54] <eroomde> then happily adjust
[09:54] <Darkside> haha
[09:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> Conference is in October Darkside
[09:54] <fsphil> Darkside, £10  £14 topup gets 300 free UK texts and 500MB web browsing
[09:54] <Darkside> awwwwwww
[09:54] <Darkside> hmm
[09:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> but we are going to stream it
[09:54] <Darkside> fsphil: 500mb >_>
[09:54] <fsphil> yea
[09:54] <Darkside> that sure won't last long
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[09:55] <fsphil> there are bolt-ons for browsing
[09:55] <eroomde> I really want a landrover defender. with snorkel and winch and floodlights
[09:55] <Darkside> cool
[09:55] <eroomde> i need to justify this via HAB somehow
[09:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats a cool vehicle
[09:56] <eroomde> it really is
[09:56] <eroomde> for those days when i can't cycle to work
[09:56] <eroomde> the 2 snow days a year
[09:56] <fsphil> hmm.. it's actually pretty pricey Darkside: http://www.o2.co.uk/tariffs/payandgo
[09:56] <fsphil> the Web Bolt Ons, near the bottom
[09:57] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, shall we email the list with a request for people to do presentations?
[09:57] <Darkside> hmm
[09:57] <fsphil> but I doubt you'd get better on a pay-as-you-go tariff
[09:57] <Darkside> fsphil: i'm only there for a month and a bit anyway
[09:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> sure go for it, I'm still mailing people for sponsor ship and trying to come up with a solution for reliable streaming
[09:57] <Darkside> hmmm, is buying train tickets at the station much more expensive?
[09:57] <jcoxon> what is the general consensus for talk length?
[09:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> might have to rent an Adobe Media Server for a month ~ £65 ish
[09:58] <cuddykid> giffgaff is great - but you need an address for them to send sim to (takes about a week from mem)
[09:58] <jcoxon> ustream?
[09:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> 30-45 mins max
[09:58] <jcoxon> i think we should go for 30mins each
[09:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> trouble with ustream is adverts adverts adverts
[09:58] <fsphil> I'm going to make my talk at the radio club about 30 minutes
[09:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> and its hugely expensive to remove them
[09:58] <jcoxon> batc.tv is another option
[09:59] <fsphil> is there good bandwidth as the site the talks are happening?
[09:59] <fsphil> as/at
[09:59] <eroomde> jcoxon: usually the conferences i've been to have been 30 minute slots
[09:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats what I'm trying to get a feel fro
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[09:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> we could stream at 720 if we have enough upload
[09:59] <eroomde> usually 20-25 mins of talking then the rest questions
[09:59] <cuddykid> or, if not, just do an Apple and post recordings after
[09:59] <eroomde> the idea is really just to sell what you've done and more detailed stuff can be talked about later
[10:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> well thats an option yes
[10:00] <eroomde> or linked to on web pages/papers or whatever
[10:00] <eroomde> Darkside: i usually just buy at the station
[10:00] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, chat with russss he'd know about upload
[10:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok
[10:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll find a solution (s) before bothering him
[10:01] <fsphil> pm me your addy Darkside, I'll fire this sim of to you. was free, so no matter if you find a better one and dump it
[10:01] <Darkside> eroomde: ok
[10:01] <Darkside> too late fsphil
[10:01] <fsphil> lol
[10:01] <Darkside> it wouldn't get here in time
[10:01] <fsphil> you can buy them in shops for about a £1 anyway
[10:01] <Darkside> yer
[10:02] <eroomde> or tesco
[10:02] <eroomde> which is a shop
[10:02] <eroomde> so... quiet ed
[10:02] <Darkside> tesco eh?
[10:02] <fsphil> *whap*
[10:02] <Darkside> is that like a supermarket?
[10:02] <eroomde> jcoxon: yup, so I would say 30 min slots
[10:02] <cuddykid> yup
[10:02] <eroomde> and tea/coffee every 2 hrs
[10:02] <Darkside> do you need to give ID, etc to get a SIM?
[10:02] <fsphil> and choccy biscuits
[10:02] <cuddykid> darkside: no, don't think so
[10:03] <fsphil> Darkside, nope
[10:03] <Darkside> coooool
[10:03] <Darkside> and how do you activate it? over the phone?
[10:03] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, i'm on google docs right now
[10:03] <fsphil> and yet oddly you need to give your name and address to buy a TV
[10:03] <cuddykid> Darkside, yeah
[10:03] <Darkside> fsphil: tv license
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[10:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok yeah check you can amend stuff etc
[10:03] <cuddykid> used a tesco sim for the backup tracker - just had to call number to top up
[10:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> I just threw a few things in there so sort it out as you see fit
[10:03] <eroomde> Darkside: wouldn't bother with a tv license
[10:03] <cuddykid> via credit card, or you can just buy a voucher in shop and then input code
[10:03] <eroomde> everything is online now anyway
[10:03] <fsphil> yea -- unless you have an actual TV they won't bother you
[10:04] <Darkside> eroomde: nah i mean thats what the name and address are for
[10:04] <cuddykid> definately don't need tv license
[10:04] <jgrahamc> I also used a Tesco SIM for my backup tracker on GAGA-1. IIRC it's actually Orange.
[10:04] <Darkside> when you buy a tv
[10:04] <cuddykid> jgrahamc: o2
[10:04] <fsphil> Darkside, yea - though I find a lot of places don't bother anymore
[10:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> 18:30:00 PUB :)
[10:04] <jgrahamc> I always mix up O2 and Orange. Sorry.
[10:04] <fsphil> chocolate chip cookies too
[10:04] <fsphil> mmm
[10:05] <cuddykid> o2 seem to have good coverage in the countryside - in the cities, could go with 3
[10:05] <cuddykid> especially in London, vodafones network always is hammered by all the blackberrys/iphones etc
[10:05] <fsphil> Looks like the launch is into bill time
[10:05] <cuddykid> yeah!
[10:06] <cuddykid> bbl
[10:06] <fsphil> I gotta get this radio setup
[10:06] <fsphil> ooh
[10:06] <fsphil> I should try the funcube dongle instead
[10:06] <Darkside> fuuuuuuuuu
[10:06] <Darkside> mine is with a friend
[10:06] <Darkside> shenki: PING
[10:06] <fsphil> uh-oh!
[10:06] <Darkside> not that i need it right now :-)
[10:07] <Darkside> but i will soon! i'm certainly taking it with me
[10:07] <Darkside> i'm gonna lay-out one of those sparkfun boxes with all my dev boards and stuff, so its clearly visible on the xray
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[10:07] <fsphil> get some of that conductive ink so that you can write them a message
[10:07] <Darkside> i'm bringing over all my arduino dev stuff, and bus pirate, etc
[10:07] <fsphil> "Not a bomb"
[10:07] <Darkside> fsphil: haha
[10:08] <fsphil> "Nothing to see here"
[10:08] <Darkside> i'm gonna try and get a letter from my supervisor to go in with it :P
[10:08] <Darkside> fsphil: draw a reclining nude outline
[10:09] <Randomskk> hide some drugs in the other luggage, they'll be so distracted they'll probably ignore the electronics
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[10:09] <Darkside> Randomskk: this is NOT a good idea
[10:09] <Randomskk> haha pft :P
[10:10] <Darkside> Travel in comfort on modern trains with air-conditioning, plenty of baggage space, wireless internet and free TV.
[10:10] <Darkside> OH MAN WIFI
[10:10] <Darkside> >_>
[10:10] <Darkside> AWESOME
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[10:10] <fsphil> hopefully they don't mean the wifi of the people living next to the track
[10:11] <fsphil> (always worth monitoring SSID's -- some really funny ones)
[10:11] <eroomde> Darkside: yup, a lot of the coaches have free wifi now too
[10:11] <eroomde> which is nice
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[10:12] <Darkside> >_>
[10:12] <Darkside> now you're making me want to take teh coach
[10:12] <Darkside> lol
[10:12] <fsphil> hmm coax has an (evil) PL259 plug, FCD has SMA. no adaptor available
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[10:16] <Darkside> hmm
[10:16] <Darkside> 01225 386 693
[10:16] <Darkside> how do i call this from australia?
[10:16] <Darkside> +441225...?
[10:16] <eroomde> 00441225....
[10:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[10:17] <Darkside> ok
[10:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> 00 or + should work
[10:17] <Darkside> got it
[10:17] <Darkside> done it as +44, so it should work in the UK too
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[10:23] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] UKHAS Conference - request for presentations"
[10:23] <Darkside> Did you know?
[10:23] <Darkside> Heathrow is the UKs only hub airport and an important economic asset. But today Heathrow is full and vulnerable to foreign competition.
[10:23] <Darkside> ooookay
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[10:29] <Darkside> any updates on the launch?
[10:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> nothing
[10:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> nothing on the map
[10:34] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference - request for presentations"
[10:36] <fsphil> are there any good B&B's near this conference?
[10:36] <Randomskk> it's at #london-hack-space on this irc server, so that might be the best place to ask
[10:36] <fsphil> ta
[10:36] <fsphil> will nip in later
[10:36] <davejay> in regards to the launch, someones just posted on his facebook page a picture of the balloon being filled :)
[10:37] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> For those that are into that kind of thing: there are two good ISS passes over London/South of the UK at 1234Z and 1411Z today.
[10:37] <Upu_2E0UPU> sounds promising :)
[10:37] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_2I0VIM
[10:37] Action: fsphil_2I0VIM puts on his amhat :)
[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/photouxp.jpg/ 7 mins ago
[10:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like a party there
[10:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oh sweet
[10:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference - request for presentations"
[10:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> man so many adaptors to connect this fcd-- gonna be lossy
[10:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> "Have just heard from one of the flight attendants.... problem with the transmitter. Takeoff delayed."
[10:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> 23 mins ago
[10:52] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oi noi
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> GP is on soon
[10:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
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[11:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> its up
[11:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> Sarah Ealding-Williams CLOUD1 is airbourne!
[11:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> 2 minutes ago
[11:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> M6ANJ has best chance of getting it first
[11:01] <Darkside> no receiver on teh ground?
[11:01] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> OK, I'm on it
[11:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> no 3G i seems
[11:01] <Darkside> ahh
[11:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> someone has data as Facebook is getting updated :)
[11:02] <Darkside> yah, they should be sharing their interwebs :P
[11:03] <Darkside> telemetry is more important than pictures!
[11:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> well assuming 5m/s and going to Facebook timings - haha - should be about 1200 meters now
[11:03] <Darkside> anything jgrahamc_M6ANJ ?
[11:03] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Going up on the roof right now, back in a second.
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[11:05] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> I can hear it
[11:05] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Hang on
[11:05] <Upu_2E0UPU> dial freq ?
[11:06] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> 434.650
[11:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> nice
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[11:06] <russss> Upu_2E0UPU: our upstream is ADSL annex M, so I think it's about 2 megabits
[11:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh thats perfect
[11:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> could do 720 at that
[11:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> thanks russss
[11:07] <russss> we've successfully used ustream a couple of times
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[11:08] <Randomskk> russss: what's parking space availability like at weekends?
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[11:09] <russss> we have 3 parking spaces and I suspect there's some single yellow lines around there too
[11:09] <Upu_2E0UPU> Should about about 3300 meters now
[11:10] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> $$CLOUD1,261,11:0929,51.5206;8,-1.347518,05326,11.087,75.1*58
[11:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and all of a sudden my funcube dongle isn't working
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> cool
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> that decoding ?
[11:11] <jonsowman> failed checksum
[11:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> rgr
[11:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> you hearing it yet Upu_2E0UPU?
[11:12] <Randomskk> what checksum algorithm are they using?
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> negative
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh got it
[11:12] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> How do I adjust the shift?
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.649.00
[11:12] <jonsowman> Randomskk: XOR/
[11:12] <jonsowman> ?
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> op mode -rtty custome
[11:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Config -> modems -> rtty -> custom shift
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> here we go
[11:12] <jonsowman> above was due to missing : in time I think
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> decode coming at ya
[11:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> got it
[11:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yay
[11:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> on das map
[11:13] <Darkside> wootwoooot
[11:13] <jonsowman> 6.5km...
[11:13] <Darkside> oh man, cn't wait until i get to bath
[11:13] <Darkside> they have a big 70cm array on teh roof
[11:13] <Darkside> i could use it for HAB tracking :D
[11:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats going up quick :)
[11:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I hate spectravue
[11:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sod this, gonna use the ft817
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[11:16] <daveake> Well .... that was interesting!
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey daveake
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> you're in the air :)
[11:16] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Getting lots of strings but none are passing the checksum
[11:16] <Upu_2E0UPU> loud and clear from Yorkshire
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> he says
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> as it fades a little :)
[11:17] <daveake> Yorkshire!!!
[11:17] <daveake> We oldn't get it from directly under the balloon!
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep check www.spacenear.us
[11:17] <daveake> Am watching
[11:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLOUD1,300,11:17:25,51.513233,-1.280290,07910,23.844,124.1*62
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> its slightly off frequency
[11:18] <Upu_2E0UPU> try 434.649
[11:19] <Upu_2E0UPU> might be rough up there its drifting in and out
[11:19] <jonsowman> 434.649 would mean it's exactly on frequency if the output tone is 1kHz
[11:19] <Randomskk> or 2khz off if it's usb :P
[11:19] <jonsowman> true
[11:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> its USB
[11:20] <Upu_2E0UPU> no one else got it yet ?
[11:21] <daveake> We'll go out soon and track. I couldn't see my netbook screen enough to get online. Next time I need a shade!
[11:21] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah JGC got it :)
[11:22] <daveake> At first we couldn't decode the signal. Everything looked and sounded right but garbaged in dl-fldigi. Checked the connections, voltages, aerial, everything. Eventually it started working.
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> did you have RV ticked by accident ?
[11:22] <daveake> Could be. Coulnd't see a thing!
[11:22] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[11:23] <daveake> It's not doing what the predictor said.
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> 3.8m/s
[11:23] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> coming straight at me
[11:23] <daveake> NE predicted; ESE actual
[11:23] <daveake> :D
[11:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> get the air pistol out jgrahamc_M6ANJ :)
[11:23] <daveake> We're feeding our helpers then there'll be a fleet of cars chasing it down!
[11:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah I've been trying to send messages your friends on Facebook :)
[11:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> but I'm not part of the group
[11:25] <Upu_2E0UPU> Anyone about who can turn the live prediction on ?
[11:25] <daveake> I feel like I'm personally in the air, let alone the balloon!
[11:25] <daveake> Live prediction? Didn't know about that!
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah it updates in real time but someone has to turn it on
[11:26] <daveake> The thing went *straight* up when I let go.
[11:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats the idea I think :)
[11:26] <daveake> Yeah but I expected a bit of sideways too!
[11:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hadie2 did that-- directly up for about 1km
[11:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> then it met the wind
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[11:28] <daveake> A wire fell off the Arduino so I had to rush back to get a soldering iron.
[11:28] <daveake> Other than that, all went well :-)
[11:28] <Upu_2E0UPU> natrium42 are you about ?
[11:29] <daveake> 3.8 is a bit slower than I expected - is that normal as it gets higher?
[11:29] <Randomskk> the thing with the live prediction is that you have to also manually download data for it I think
[11:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah ok
[11:29] <daveake> It was 5.3 earlier which is what I was aiming for
[11:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ascent rate should be constant unless there's a leak
[11:30] <daveake> Well the plot looks straight from about 7000m up
[11:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the value on the screen will fluctuate though
[11:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[11:30] <daveake> Ah, OK
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> getting anything Dutch-Mill ? :)
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[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.649.50 now
[11:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ooh just reached Dutch-Mill
[11:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> not long until here either
[11:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> g'day Rob_M0DTS
[11:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi there :)
[11:31] <daveake> We had a cricket match in the same field, and they all cheered and applauded on launch :-)
[11:31] <Darkside> oh man
[11:31] <Rob_M0DTS> Hi.. jst remebered about launch!
[11:32] <Darkside> i should call you guys on the IRLP :-)
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> its ok its still up :)
[11:32] <daveake> Oo it's turning north now
[11:32] <daveake> Nowhere near Silverstone though LOL
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> good idea its bette rup north anyway
[11:32] <daveake> LOL
[11:32] <daveake> Or Yorkshire sucks?
[11:32] <daveake> (kidding!)
[11:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> *don't land in yorkshire!*
[11:32] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'll turn my radio off... :)
[11:33] <daveake> I'll get my passport :-)
[11:33] <daveake> LOL
[11:33] <daveake> Pleeeease leave it on :-)
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok afk a few making some lunch
[11:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> is that 60000 ?
[11:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> -14958m
[11:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hmm
[11:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> uh-oh
[11:33] <daveake> Crap packet should have used a 16-bit checksum!
[11:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> interesting
[11:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> :)
[11:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's more than a crap packet
[11:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> well, it's a crap packet, but the checksum isn't the problem
[11:35] <Darkside> now THAT is a nice descent rate
[11:35] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ye old padding bug
[11:35] <Darkside> descending faster than the speed of sound
[11:35] <daveake> LOL
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[11:35] <daveake> padding bug?
[11:35] <fsphil_2I0VIM> tip: if you live near the meridian, test for it :p
[11:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> afk a few
[11:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 1.0999 is being transmitted as 1.999
[11:36] Nick change: jgrahamc_M6ANK -> jgrahamc_M6ANJ
[11:36] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Walking away from the radio now.
[11:36] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> If it comes coming my way should keep getting strings
[11:37] <fsphil_2I0VIM> suspect the balloon as actually here: 51.496200,-1.061408
[11:37] <fsphil_2I0VIM> just north of Reading now
[11:38] <Darkside> anyone near an IRLP node?
[11:38] <Darkside> we should all call into a reflector :-)
[11:38] <fsphil_2I0VIM> just echolink nodes about here, and I can't open any of them :)
[11:38] <daveake> Ta
[11:38] <Darkside> aww fsphil_2I0VIM
[11:38] <Darkside> only IRLP nodes her e:<
[11:38] <fsphil_2I0VIM> daveake, should be fine once it gets past +1.10000
[11:39] <daveake> Good !!
[11:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's a pretty common bug
[11:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> must add an FAQ about it
[11:39] <daveake> Yes please :-)
[11:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> is it possible to edit received points on the tracker?
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[11:40] <Rob_M0DTS> should be possible with a bit of string manipulation.
[11:40] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, thinking just add the missing 0
[11:40] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: Tracking #ukhas CLOUD1 flight from my bedroom. Best decodes found there. http://t.co/8B9hPss [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/90022667410882560]
[11:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> guessing the number of digits after the decimal point should be fixed
[11:41] <Darkside> loooool
[11:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> pad accordingly
[11:41] <daveake> Yep
[11:41] <daveake> griffonbot - awesome :-)
[11:42] <daveake> That balloon moves quickly LOL
[11:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> love the setup
[11:42] <daveake> Ditto :)
[11:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what's the latest dial frequency?
[11:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.649.5
[11:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> I like the Yagi mounting jgrahamc_M6ANJ
[11:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lost another digit :)
[11:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> daveake Sarah Ealding-Williams is having trouble with spacenear.us
[11:43] <daveake> Yeah, saw that
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[11:43] <daveake> Where is it (really) now?
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> CLOUD1,425,11:43:39,51.514798,0.988758,14093,25.959,51.4*7E
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> looks like a GPS malfunction/maldecoding
[11:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> 0.988758 <- thats the error
[11:44] <daveake> Yep
[11:44] <daveake> Oh well, something to fix for next time
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> probably 51.514798,0.0988758 ?
[11:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> maybe not
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that puts it in london
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> try -0.09
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander> Upu's coordinates place it ove Church End, Essex
[11:45] <daveake> Hmm, don't think so
[11:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hnn
[11:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> 51.514798,-0.988758
[11:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> try that
[11:46] <Lunar_Lander> Farm Close, Oxfordshire
[11:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> seems to have lost its - when the altitude went -
[11:46] <Lunar_Lander> north of Reading
[11:46] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Thanks Upu_2E0UPU. Beats holding the thing.
[11:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think it's here: 51.522658,-0.971866
[11:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah that would make sense
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander> in the Oxfordshire area then
[11:47] <daveake> I have a GPS/GSM tracker as backup
[11:47] <daveake> Oxfordshire is good
[11:47] <daveake> Bought plenty of maps for there :-)
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander> can someone clean up the tracker?
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> we should be able to work it out even if the tracker isn't displaying it properly just looks like you've lost a '-'
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. the negative altitudes
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> btw
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> 18288 meters
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> is the altitude max on your GPS
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[11:48] <Lunar_Lander> an altitude locked module?
[11:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[11:49] <daveake> I did want to run a test of real data through it to check for bugs, but ran out of time.
[11:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> so its coming up on that now
[11:49] <Lunar_Lander> oh no
[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still no signal now
[11:49] <Lunar_Lander> so we'll never find out how high it went?
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[11:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> now/here
[11:51] <daveake> Above the north sea LOL
[11:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> possibly here: 51.540043,-0.935538
[11:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if it is just a negative sign missing
[11:51] <daveake> It does have a backup GSM tracker. Might need that.
[11:51] <daveake> Yep
[11:52] <daveake> Should have taken it walkies for testing
[11:52] <daveake> I may owe someone a few beers if they can decode the landing point for me!
[11:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> near Henley-on-Thames
[11:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> your gps still seems happy
[11:58] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Post the source code to see if we can fix the bug
[11:58] <daveake> Yep, I added the -ve sign and got it there too
[11:59] <daveake> This is very very exciting, I have to say :-)
[11:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> *just* seeing your signal on the waterfall here now
[11:59] <daveake> Whereabouts are you?
[11:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> middle of N.Ireland
[11:59] <daveake> Wow!
[12:00] <daveake> I am just amazed how far 10mW gets
[12:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, gotta love the 70cm band :)
[12:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> getting some bits of numbers
[12:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still far from a decode
[12:00] <daveake> OK, impressive though
[12:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> your shift is spot-on
[12:01] <daveake> 18271metres. About to crap out then
[12:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hopefully not
[12:02] <daveake> Well it's gone above 18288 now!
[12:02] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[12:02] <daveake> Hi :-)
[12:03] <mattltm> Whats going on with cloud1!
[12:03] <mattltm> Freq?
[12:03] <daveake> I'm running on caffeine, sugar and adrenaline here!
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi mattltm
[12:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.649.5
[12:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gps is still happy daveake
[12:04] <mattltm> Got it :)
[12:04] <mattltm> ta fsphil_2I0VIM
[12:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Nick Leaton "Re: [UKHAS] not a balloon flight but worth watching"
[12:04] <mattltm> And decoding :)
[12:04] <mattltm> Nice signal
[12:05] <mattltm> Whats up with the tracker?
[12:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> longitude is inverted
[12:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bug on the payload
[12:07] <daveake> Yep. I'm a failure ;-)
[12:07] <daveake> So that old GPS unit was worth using :-)
[12:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 20km
[12:08] <daveake> Woohoo!!
[12:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal getting stronger
[12:08] <mattltm> so is the tracker showing the correct position now?
[12:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's inverted around the meridian
[12:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> so nope
[12:09] <mattltm> ah..
[12:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> got a string
[12:09] <daveake> WOW!
[12:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that never ceases to impress me :)
[12:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> looks like the GPS specs are lying :)
[12:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> afk eating
[12:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea! they didn't fall for the OR bug
[12:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wish all gps receivers did that
[12:11] <mattltm> Grand Prix, HABing and the other half has just brought me a cold beer and a subway! This is the best Sunday ever!
[12:11] <daveake> LOL
[12:12] <daveake> No beer here ... need to go chasing it down soon.
[12:12] <mattltm> so, 51.591036,0.865553 is not the righ position?
[12:12] <daveake> -longitude
[12:12] <daveake> It's a bug
[12:12] <daveake> Something to fix for next time
[12:13] <mattltm> so "51.591036,-0.865553" is correct?
[12:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> think so
[12:13] <daveake> Yep
[12:13] <mattltm> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.591036,-0.865553&hl=en&ll=51.272226,-0.357056&spn=2.147888,2.345581&sll=51.585603,0.925598&sspn=1.066598,0.969543&z=8
[12:13] <daveake> Yep/2
[12:13] <Darkside> this is the point at which you start hacking up your own display system
[12:13] <Darkside> with on-the-fly bug fixes
[12:13] <daveake> LOL
[12:14] <mattltm> Shame we cant just edit spacenear quickly to put a - in front of it
[12:14] <mattltm> Lol @ Darkside :)
[12:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> though it went from -1.785 to 0.999280
[12:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah yea
[12:14] <fsphil_2I0VIM> makes sense, it is just missing the -
[12:15] <daveake> All the NMEA strings are being logged direct to an SD card, however I don't think I have a USB cable long enough ...
[12:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I know the cause of that bug too :)
[12:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> in-flight firmware update
[12:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gonna try that some day :)
[12:15] <Darkside> oh god
[12:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[12:16] <daveake> Could be done LOL
[12:16] <Darkside> i found out i don't have to implement that on my ukube payload...
[12:16] <Darkside> SO relieved
[12:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I bet
[12:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> though I think it would be fun
[12:16] <daveake> Well it's good enough for NASA :-)
[12:16] <Darkside> yeah
[12:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> fan and terrifying
[12:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> fun
[12:16] <Darkside> the payload only has a 3 year design life anyway
[12:16] <mattltm> lol. I remember a while back that we have 2 euro fighters circling the building where I work. Turns out they were getting an over-the-air update of some sort from BAE
[12:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> LOL
[12:16] <daveake> LOL .. excellent
[12:17] <Randomskk> haha wow, you'd think they'd update it on the ground at least
[12:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> "5 updates are ready ... reboot now?"
[12:17] <mattltm> lol. How it wasnt firmware!
[12:17] <daveake> Did they lock in to your wifi to speed things up?
[12:17] <Randomskk> I think you mean "rebooting in 30 seconds, click here to postpone"
[12:17] <mattltm> Was cool to see them so close.
[12:17] <Randomskk> "nooo"
[12:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I seen the euroflighter at the local airshow -- really impressive machine!
[12:17] <daveake> "Downloading Euro Fighter update 1 of 12. Do not turn your machine off"
[12:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:18] <Rob_M0DTS> ha...frightening though!
[12:18] <Darkside> bring a whole new meaning to system crash
[12:18] <mattltm> We had an Apache and a Chinook land last week.
[12:18] <fsphil_2I0VIM> they flew it over the crowd, with the engines at full -- the ground was shaking!
[12:18] <mattltm> VERY loud!
[12:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> they are indeed
[12:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> Chinook's are weird beasties
[12:19] <mattltm> 2 land rover defenders and a range rover sport came out and drove off.
[12:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I seen one carrying a large truck once .. amazing
[12:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the truck was about the same size as the helicopter
[12:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still a lovely signal here
[12:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> seems to be a smooth flight
[12:22] <daveake> So far, shame about the bug(s)
[12:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 24km
[12:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah easily done
[12:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Matt "RE: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference - request for presentations"
[12:23] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I did it too, just caught it in last minute testing
[12:23] <daveake> I'm very impressed how far the UHF works, and very pleased the GPS works.
[12:24] <daveake> We lost the signal quite quickly, but then it was right above our heads!
[12:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's the worst place oddly
[12:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the signal of my last one dropped quite a bit when we drove under it
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[12:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> are you using interrupts daveake? I notice there's very little space between strings
[12:27] <russss> argh, I'm going to be in Goteborg when the UKHAS conference happens :/
[12:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> arg!
[12:28] <futurity> Hi just seen the tracker and strange dips. Is the balloon still up?
[12:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> futurity, yes. near 26km now
[12:28] <futurity> Fantastic
[12:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the longitude coordinate is inverted
[12:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oooh food's ready, brb
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> futurity there is just an error with the longitude
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> it shows as E but should be W
[12:30] <futurity> I see. Good to hear that still up. Not had chance to setup the receiver today unfortunately as only just got back home
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> looking good
[12:34] <futurity> Is it a slow ascent?
[12:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> not particularly
[12:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> and not intended
[12:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> 5m/s
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> Upu_2E0UPU
[12:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> does it now show a western longitude readout?
[12:36] <futurity> Was last week's ascent a slow one, resulting in a high altitude?
[12:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> where is now is accurate I think
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[12:37] <daveake> fsphil - yes using interrupts.
[12:37] <daveake> We're heading out now. Mag mount on the car roof is getting a good signal.
[12:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:38] <daveake> I should be on IRC in the car
[12:38] <daveake> BFN back soon :-). Epic help chaps.
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[12:39] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey Dutch-Mill got it
[12:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> reckon thats accurate again ?
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[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> when you take the two paths together
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> and we have 30 km
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> they don't match up
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> I just tried
[12:45] <mattltm> signals gone a bit wonkey for me :(
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> burst
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> burst
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> just above 30 km
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> someone needs to remove the spikes from the plot
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> the altitude over time one
[12:45] <Upu_2E0UPU> 30114 meter max
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats tumbling a little
[12:46] <mattltm> $$CLOUD1,725,12:46:11,51.598061,-1.156273,29034,9.107,249.3*5D
[12:46] <mattltm> its got a - :)
[12:46] <mattltm> Looks like its going down.
[12:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea
[12:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal's got that spinny sound to it :)
[12:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[12:47] <mattltm> 27577
[12:47] <mattltm> 27155
[12:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> loosing the signal here
[12:47] <mattltm> 26781
[12:47] <mattltm> Thats on its way back...
[12:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> 70mph :)
[12:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sweet
[12:48] <mattltm> freq going up too.
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> that means?
[12:48] <mattltm> is it near silverstone? :p
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> does the NTX2 heat up or cool down?
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> no idea :)
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD mattltm no
[12:48] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil_2I0VIM do you think thats accurate location ?
[12:49] <mattltm> I think the freq tends to drop when the ntx2 cools down
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[12:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> very nearly 32km.. very nice
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> notice the strange form of the descent plot
[12:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> no max altitude is wrong
[12:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah
[12:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> 30114 meter max
[12:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I don't think the position is accurate
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[12:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> can we work out where it is ?
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: -14072 m Rate: -2107.1 m/s"
[12:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> bug in the GPS
[12:50] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 29260 is the max altitude
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> funny nonetheless
[12:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> fsphil_2I0VIM no :
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: 24383 m Rate: 474.4 m/s"
[12:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$CLOUD,716,12:44:15,51.602290,-1.126088,30114,52.232,259.0*64
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[12:51] <mattltm> I think daveake is getting the correct location from a secondary payload?
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah a phone
[12:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> might be worth backing that up :)
[12:51] <mattltm> Nice flight path on spacenear. Nearly got across the country!
[12:52] <mattltm> very weak to me now.
[12:53] <eroomde> blimey
[12:53] <Upu_2E0UPU> nice and clear here, looks like its stablised and the parachute is working
[12:53] <eroomde> that parachute must be enormous
[12:53] <mattltm> Oh. its back nice and strong now!
[12:55] <mattltm> Is that an airport its near?
[12:55] <mattltm> s/airport/airfield
[12:56] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: -31694 m Rate: -2618.2 m/s"
[12:56] <mattltm> if the positiion is correct on spacenear it looks like it may land on a MOD chopper!
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[12:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> still 15km up
[12:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> should be ok
[12:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> back -- had to remove a cat from my room
[12:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> wallingford
[12:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gonna be interseting working out that position
[13:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> just grab as much data as we can and hopefully he can work out why the code is wrong and work out the true location
[13:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> its not a meridian issue
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:01] <Lunar_Lander> I hope the GSM works
[13:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it is sorta
[13:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> there's two bugs at work
[13:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[13:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> just east of wallingford now I think
[13:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> lost it
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$CLOUD1,815,13:05:09,51.610846,-1.16678,07025,17.424,79.3*6C
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$CLOUD1,814(13:05:22(51.611063,-!14816,06742(17.!1987.9*6B
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> $$CLOUD1,817,13:0:244.611246,-0.1388, 644919*213,88.~6p
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> $OUd1,ECS+#8++
[13:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats quite high to loose it
[13:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's a bit further west than normal
[13:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> geography might have got in the way
[13:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> looks like it's heading for High Wycombe
[13:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> well that was interesting :)
[13:10] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[13:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> so, padding error and negative integer error :)
[13:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> but otherwise excellent flight
[13:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hope the backup tracker works
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[13:11] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Sorry guys. Had to stop tracking.
[13:11] <Upu> no problems
[13:15] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> How do we know where it is?
[13:15] Nick change: fsphil_2I0VIM -> fsphil
[13:15] <fsphil> last position was 51.615276,-0.996578
[13:16] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> No one's getting strings?
[13:16] <fsphil> no new strings in a while
[13:17] <fsphil> 3km does seem a bit early to stop
[13:17] <fsphil> though it's a bit far from everyone
[13:17] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> It was at 3km?
[13:17] <Upu> it will be on the deck now
[13:17] <fsphil> yea, last string was from 3125m up
[13:17] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Hmm. I should probably go up on the roof and see if I can hear it since I'm the closest.
[13:17] <Randomskk> so, guys
[13:18] <Randomskk> I'm working on a flight document (the XML things) generator wizard
[13:18] <fsphil> guess dave has no gsm connection
[13:18] <Randomskk> so that people don't have to hand edit XML any more
[13:18] <Randomskk> it's also going to generate the JSON documents that habitat requires
[13:18] <Randomskk> so far, I have it generating the JSON documents that habitat requires, just gotta do some xml generation to make the xml docs
[13:18] <Randomskk> there's a demo on at https://randomskk.net/u/genpayload/genpayload.html
[13:18] <Randomskk> if people could play with it a bit and see what they think, that would be cool!
[13:19] <Randomskk> also it will probably only work very well in chrome. I haven't tested in anything else and it does all sorts of disgusting javascript
[13:20] <Upu> looks good
[13:21] <fsphil> nice style
[13:21] <fsphil> tab doesn't work in FF
[13:21] <fsphil> everything else seems to
[13:21] <Randomskk> yes it does :| it's working in ff right now for me
[13:21] <Randomskk> that's annoying. latest firefox?
[13:21] <fsphil> FF5 on Fedora
[13:21] <Randomskk> curious. ff5 on ubuntu here and it works fine
[13:21] <Randomskk> but sadly doesn't do the very cool fading thing that chrome does
[13:21] <fsphil> will try again
[13:22] <fsphil> aye, now it works
[13:22] <fsphil> hmm
[13:22] <Randomskk> you should see the sections you're not working on as greyed out, but for some reason that doesn't work on firefox
[13:22] <fsphil> how did I break it
[13:22] <Randomskk> fsphil: you had to have focus on a form element, I guess
[13:22] <Randomskk> so maybe you were focused wrong
[13:22] <fsphil> aah yes, I clicked about a bit
[13:22] <Randomskk> that'd probably be it. it's quite breaky
[13:23] <mattltm> "<Randomskk> also it will probably only work very well in chrome." No page scrolling in chrome for me :(
[13:24] <Randomskk> yea you can't scroll
[13:24] <Randomskk> just tab
[13:24] <Randomskk> or click continue
[13:24] <Randomskk> the lower down sections should all be greyed out anyway
[13:24] <mattltm> Ahh..
[13:24] <Randomskk> this is not a stunning example of accessibility or usability design
[13:25] <mattltm> Some tips on the location feild would be good. Is it expecting a name or a position?
[13:25] <fsphil> is it possible to have a timeout for payloads in habitat? so older ones are hidden on the drop-down list?
[13:25] <Randomskk> who knows really
[13:25] <Randomskk> a name probably
[13:27] <Randomskk> it's not actually important, it's not really used for anything
[13:27] <Randomskk> so it's just there to be confusing I suppose
[13:28] <mattltm> Cool. Confusing fields. Got it. :)
[13:28] <mattltm> Works good for me.
[13:28] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> I have been up on the roof RTTY hunting. Not a peep
[13:28] <Randomskk> I'm working on a few usability bits, like adding a default sentence and having the tab index work through the fields on the sentence and the textareas, and probably some other bits
[13:28] <Randomskk> plus xml generation has to happen
[13:28] <Randomskk> and some way of giving other people the flight doc would be good
[13:29] <mattltm> Maybe some more field options for sentance generation like lat, long, alt, temp, preasure etc.
[13:29] <mattltm> Just a few of the common used ones so I dont have to think if its and int or a float etc..
[13:30] <Randomskk> oh, good idea
[13:30] <mattltm> Done. Nice work Randomskk :)
[13:30] <Randomskk> :D
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[13:36] <fsphil> not a peep here either, but then short of an amazing sporadic-E that's not surprising :)
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[13:51] <daveake> Currently chasing it down. Got a weak signal earlier so we're turning round. Looks like it didn't get as far as we thought
[13:52] <daveake> Damn Vodafone dongle on my netbook hasn't worked at all so I've got my laptop out of the boot to get online
[13:52] <daveake> Anyone got an idea where it landed?
[13:53] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Apparently the last known position was 51.615276,-0.996578 at an altitude of 3125m
[13:54] <daveake> Yeah,. just now got that. We were closer earlier so we're turning round now.
[13:54] <daveake> The GPS/GSM tracker has GSM but not GPS! Suspect it's upside down!
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[14:01] <Randomskk> mattltm: okay, I've added some pre-filled ones, as it were. plus there are now some default ones already there
[14:04] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Good luck with the RTTY hunting Darkside
[14:04] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> I meant daveake
[14:04] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Guess he's offline
[14:06] <mattltm> Randomskk: That looks much better :)
[14:06] <mattltm> Good work.
[14:06] <Randomskk> hmm. it looks like the plugin for greying out the inactive sections doesn't actually set background-color or opacity correctly on linux firefox. how frustrating.
[14:07] <Randomskk> aha. it has a flag to turn it back on anyway and performance issues be dammed
[14:08] <Randomskk> there. it should look better in firefox now.
[14:08] <Randomskk> okay, now to sort out tab index inside the sentence structure
[14:09] <mattltm> Looks good in chrome.
[14:10] <mattltm> Nasty issue in IE9
[14:10] <mattltm> But noone with any brains uses ie9 anyway :)
[14:10] <Randomskk> haha I bet
[14:10] <Randomskk> yea I don't think I'm targetting IE6
[14:10] <Randomskk> uh
[14:10] <Randomskk> IE
[14:10] <Randomskk> the base JS code is fairly flexible, so I could make a simple whole-page form with none of the visual appeal or stylish animations
[14:10] <Randomskk> and it'd work, in terms of just being javascript
[14:11] <Randomskk> but meh, that's dull, maybe once the rest is all done :P
[14:11] <Randomskk> (I have been reading far too much homestuck recently which is why it's a bit like a text adventure game)
[14:11] <mattltm> It's usable still though. Just the BG for the data popup is not working.
[14:11] <Randomskk> I see
[14:11] <Randomskk> curious
[14:11] <Randomskk> oh well, if it works then so much the better
[14:11] <Randomskk> haha I dread to imagine what it'd be like on a mobile device
[14:12] <mattltm> lol. The cursor jumps between the launch window from and to fileds!
[14:13] <mattltm> I take it back. It is not useable in ie9 :)
[14:13] <mattltm> Bit it is entertaining :)
[14:13] <mattltm> *But
[14:13] <Randomskk> haha oh no, what happens?
[14:13] <Randomskk> that's a really odd bug
[14:13] <Randomskk> there's some js which is focusing the from field after you close the datepicker
[14:13] <Randomskk> close the from datepicker, that is
[14:13] <Randomskk> it should focus on the field that just got filled
[14:14] <fsphil> shuttle and ISS are docking shortly
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[14:20] <mattltm> Randomskk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkhHhO1YQ4
[14:21] <Randomskk> haha crazy
[14:21] <Randomskk> that's super weird.
[14:21] <Randomskk> my bank's website does that occasionally because it tries to be helpful when entering pin digits or whatever
[14:21] <Randomskk> can you like, use the mouse to select the field and delete it or anything?
[14:23] <mattltm> nope.
[14:24] <Randomskk> haha oh IE
[14:24] <Randomskk> does it not get a datepicker?
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[14:26] <MI6VIM> oops, wrong button
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[14:28] <Upu> Quick question, thanks who ever updated the Burst Calc with Hwoyee ballons
[14:28] Action: Randomskk raises hand
[14:28] <Randomskk> no promises though
[14:28] <Randomskk> it's data from hwoyee
[14:28] <Upu> I've punched in the figures and asked for about 5m/s ascent
[14:29] <Upu> neck lift for my 850g payload comes out at 2225g
[14:29] <Upu> does that mean I need the balloon to be neutrally bouyant with 2225 g hanging off it ?
[14:29] <Randomskk> yea
[14:30] <Randomskk> neck lift is the weight that causes the balloon to be neutrally bouyant
[14:30] <Upu> so the free lift on that is 1375 g ?
[14:30] <Randomskk> so that's before you attach the payload
[14:30] <Upu> yeah
[14:30] <Upu> Burst Altitude: 37144 m :) I wish
[14:30] <Upu> wondering whether to increase the ascent a little
[14:31] <Randomskk> for the hwoyees I would, they seem to do funny things otherwise
[14:31] <Upu> 5.5m/s ?
[14:31] <Randomskk> try to get the burst altitude lower than 35km or so
[14:32] <Randomskk> unless you're going for an altitude record
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[14:32] <Upu> ok35k = 7m/s lift
[14:32] <Upu> 3682g lift
[14:32] <Upu> I could launch my dog on this
[14:32] <Randomskk> :P
[14:32] <Upu> that seems like alot :)
[14:33] <Randomskk> yea, it's a fair bit, and a fast ascent
[14:33] <Randomskk> these balloons just seem to be too good basically :P
[14:33] <Upu> Haha ok I'll go with that
[14:33] <Randomskk> but all the flights so far have done silly things above 35km which makes for somewhat annoying chases
[14:33] <Upu> oh wait
[14:33] <Randomskk> and makes the predictor pretty useless
[14:33] <Upu> crap
[14:33] <Upu> Launch Volume: 5.54 m3 5536 L
[14:34] <Upu> 5536L
[14:34] <Upu> I only have a T cylinder
[14:34] <Upu> going to need another one
[14:35] <Randomskk> how close is it?
[14:35] <Upu> damn sure I'd done this calc before and it came out 3000L or something
[14:35] <Upu> 3500
[14:35] <Randomskk> hm
[14:35] <Randomskk> well I mean
[14:35] <Randomskk> you could just put all that in and see
[14:35] <Randomskk> or you could like, put more mass on the payload :P
[14:35] <Upu> 3.60 cubic metres capacity
[14:35] <Randomskk> buying more helium seems a bit of a waste
[14:36] <Upu> full tank will give 4.2 m/s llift
[14:37] <Upu> thats annoying
[14:37] <Randomskk> but what burst altitude?
[14:37] <Upu> 38k
[14:37] <Upu> allegedly
[14:37] <Randomskk> I mean you could just go with the high burst altitude and see what happens
[14:37] <Randomskk> how close to the sea are you? :P
[14:38] <Upu> lol yeah
[14:38] <Upu> exactly
[14:39] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c4a22d75c02f4b3adf4fbf747e1a3b24953f6ae1
[14:39] <Upu> that doesn't look too scary :/
[14:40] <Randomskk> looks really nice if it follows that :P
[14:40] <Upu> well its 2 weeks away :)
[14:40] <Randomskk> I think the issue is that its ascent rate changes
[14:40] <Randomskk> in ways the predictor doesn't expect
[14:40] <Upu> yeah but if it does that flight pattern
[14:40] <Upu> should be safe ?
[14:41] <The-Compiler> Upu: I bet it lands in that river. :P
[14:41] <Upu> thanks :)
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[14:48] <Randomskk> hi jcoxon!
[14:48] <jcoxon> hello
[14:48] <Randomskk> getting excited for the ukhas conference :)
[14:49] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:49] <jcoxon> eek cloud1 is all over the place
[14:49] <Randomskk> yea, missing negative sign on longitude I think
[14:49] <Randomskk> what do you think of having lightning talks?
[14:50] <jcoxon> yeah i think its a good idea
[14:50] <Randomskk> cool
[14:50] <Randomskk> also check out this payload doc generator (for xml/habitat docs) I'm making, https://randomskk.net/u/genpayload/genpayload.html
[14:54] <jcoxon> awesome
[14:54] <jcoxon> glad someone has finally taken up the task
[14:54] <jcoxon> so cloud1 recovered?
[14:55] <Upu> no news
[14:55] <Upu> coding errors not entirely sure of final location
[14:55] <jcoxon> eek
[14:55] <Randomskk> it had a gsm tracker but the gsm tracker doesn't have gps lock
[14:56] <jcoxon> oh
[14:56] <Randomskk> we got telem from it at 3k altitude before losing, but there's a bug that means the telem is somehow wrong
[14:56] <jcoxon> oh
[15:01] <jcoxon> picoatlas has now been running for 6 hours
[15:01] <jcoxon> managed to turn itself back on after losing power over night
[15:02] <cuddykid> wow never seen the tracker that messy!
[15:04] <chris_99> has anyone used 'http://www.radiometrix.com/tlm2-0' before (500mW) ?
[15:05] <jcoxon> chris_99, nope, mainly as its not appropriate for in the air
[15:05] <jcoxon> too much power
[15:05] <mattltm> Not legal
[15:05] <mattltm> On jcoxon beat me to it :)
[15:05] <chris_99> oh didn't realise there was a limit
[15:05] <chris_99> in the air
[15:05] <Randomskk> 10mW
[15:05] <Randomskk> there's a reason that's all anyone uses :P
[15:05] <chris_99> heh
[15:05] <Randomskk> in the UK, anyway
[15:06] <jcoxon> well 868Mhz can do 500mW
[15:06] <mattltm> chris_99: There is only a small selection of freq alowed for in air use in the uk.
[15:07] <chris_99> so it'd be legal to use 868Mhz @ 500mW?
[15:07] <mattltm> Is there a duty cycle limitation with 868 at 500mw?
[15:08] <jcoxon> yes
[15:08] <jcoxon> 10% i think
[15:08] <mattltm> Maybe 10%?
[15:08] <mattltm> So yes chris_99, you can use 868 at 500mw but only with a 10% duty cycle.
[15:09] <chris_99> aha interesting
[15:10] <mattltm> athought the benifits of the higher power and mitigated by the highre freq
[15:10] <Randomskk> you will also lose a lot more signal over distance due to free space path loss, and find it very difficult to get receivers on 868MHz as most amateur radios only go up to 434.
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[15:10] <mattltm> ^^^^^ What he said but im to lazy to type it.
[15:10] <fsphil> ^
[15:10] <mattltm> lol
[15:11] <chris_99> i've just picked up an icom rc 10 so it should be able to pick it up
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> 10% per year?
[15:11] <Randomskk> 10% per nanosecond
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> per millennium?
[15:11] <fsphil> thought of that .. so did ofcom unfornatually
[15:11] <mattltm> Interesting question Laurenceb...
[15:11] <fsphil> it's per hour
[15:11] <Randomskk> :P
[15:11] <chris_99> haha
[15:11] <mattltm> Oh, shame.
[15:11] <fsphil> someone was planning sstv over 869mhz
[15:12] <mattltm> better bandwidth?
[15:12] <chris_99> oh that'd be cool
[15:12] <fsphil> should be the seame
[15:12] <fsphil> same
[15:12] <fsphil> going to make an 869mhz yagi, try and pick it up
[15:12] <griffonbot> @steamfire: It's White Star Balloon time! All day at @LVL1HackerSpace #UKHAS #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/90075966411517952]
[15:14] <mattltm> fsphil: I wonder if a dish would be practical at 868
[15:15] <fsphil> now there's a thought
[15:15] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @steamfire: It's White Star Balloon time! All day at @LVL1HackerSpace #UKHAS #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/90076751467773952]
[15:15] <jcoxon> hey fsphil
[15:16] <fsphil> howdy jcoxon!
[15:16] <jcoxon> picoatlas is still running
[15:16] <jcoxon> started it off yesterday
[15:16] <jcoxon> it died over night
[15:16] <jcoxon> but resurrieceted itself this morning
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> solar panel?
[15:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:17] <jcoxon> and 85mAh lipo
[15:17] <Laurenceb_> how long has it been running now?
[15:17] <fsphil> much sun?
[15:17] <jcoxon> its indoors by the window
[15:18] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, working backwards from the counter it looks like about 8hrs
[15:19] <jcoxon> i can't tell as i've been away and the radio drifted off
[15:19] <griffonbot> @steamfire: @ethanharstad awesome! @LVL1WhiteStar WB8ELK and #UKHAS will be excited to hear that Domino is working better in FLDIGI [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/90077622024929280]
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> i mean in total since the lipo was charged
[15:19] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, well the lipo charges during the day
[15:19] <jcoxon> its currently charged
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> ah i see
[15:19] <jcoxon> max1555 in between
[15:22] <jcoxon> currently it only turns the gps on every 10minutes
[15:22] <jcoxon> however once i've done some more testing i think i'll increase this - at least make it a bit voltage dependent
[15:23] <jcoxon> as for example the battery is fully charged so we should make us of it
[15:23] <jcoxon> use*
[15:41] <SamSilver> afk
[15:42] <Randomskk> okay, that payload doc generator now makes XML docs too
[15:42] <Laurenceb_> neat
[15:42] <Laurenceb_> this is odd - i have no www acces
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[15:43] <Laurenceb_> tried restarting firefox - no luck there
[15:43] <Randomskk> telnet?
[15:43] <Laurenceb_> hmm its back
[15:43] <Laurenceb_> this is odd - im guessing an isp issue
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[15:45] <cuddykid> hows cloud1 going? Do they have a landing location yet?
[15:47] <Laurenceb_> their positions look odd :P
[15:49] <Randomskk> okay, the payload generator is essentially working! http://habhub.org/genpayload/
[15:50] <Randomskk> it makes XML docs for the old system, and JSON docs for the new one
[15:50] <Randomskk> and I'm done working on it for today, and it probably won't work great on IE
[15:50] <Randomskk> but hey, it's not a bad effort for a weekend :P
[15:51] <Laurenceb_> but who uses ie
[15:51] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dietA710-waste.jpg / http://ava.upuaut.net/files/dietA710-goodbits.jpg
[15:51] Action: Laurenceb_ has mostly finished the basic dactyl guidance/navigation code
[15:51] <Upu> and a nice double pin prick burn on my finger where I accidentally touched the capacitor as I was dismantling
[15:51] <Laurenceb_> eek
[15:52] <fsphil> ooch
[15:52] <fsphil> vampire capacitor?
[15:52] <Upu> Ava 2 will be super ligera :)
[15:52] <Upu> yeah :)
[15:53] <Upu> pack a punch those flash caps
[15:53] <Upu> might reuse that for cut down :)#
[15:53] <fsphil> cunning
[15:55] <Laurenceb_> just use a 0.125W resistor
[16:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "[UKHAS] Payload Flight Document Generator"
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[16:07] <Randomskk> hah http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/07/10/1426201/Google-Runs-Out-of-Disk-Space-Swamps-Users-With-Notifications
[16:08] <Laurenceb_> some of the text is overlapping in firefox
[16:08] <Laurenceb_> what is this for?
[16:08] <Randomskk> what, that web app?
[16:08] <Randomskk> generating the xml documents used to decode telemetry
[16:08] <Randomskk> (or json documents, for habitat)
[16:09] <Randomskk> like http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/apex.xml is how come "APEX" shows up on dl-fldigi
[16:09] <Randomskk> and when APEX telemetry is received, that XML doc is used to parse it
[16:09] <Randomskk> equally, habitat has a set of documents so it knows how to parse a payload's telemetry
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> i see
[16:09] <Randomskk> previously everyone was writing these xml/json files by hand
[16:09] <Randomskk> which is a pain. making people edit xml by hand is sadistic
[16:11] Action: jcoxon likes using nano to edit files
[16:11] <jcoxon> once you know the commands
[16:11] <jcoxon> :-p
[16:11] <Randomskk> you should try vim :P
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[16:20] <mattltm> nano FTW!
[16:20] <mattltm> Nice diet Upu :)
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[16:37] <Upu> hello
[16:37] <Upu> found it ?
[16:37] <daveake> We're back. With the balloon and payload :-)
[16:37] <Upu> yay :)
[16:38] <daveake> Actually we still have most of the balloon!
[16:38] <Upu> let me just amend the most recent launches page
[16:38] <Upu> thats why it came down so fast :)
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[16:38] <daveake> LOL. Had terrible time getting online to get the position after we lost it in the car.
[16:38] <Upu> GSM backup work ?
[16:39] <daveake> No - had GSM no problem but no GPS at all.
[16:39] <daveake> Need to look into that.
[16:39] <daveake> Wow, what an awesome day. I'll write it up fully later, but in brief: Camera didn't work (think it got knocked when I opened the box to fix the transmitter); video did all the way to landing (and we have some wonderful pictures); GPS/GSM tracker gadget didn't work at all but the GPS/computer/radio worked perfectly; balloon got to about 30km (maybe more - need to check); landed near Watlington, nowehere near the estimate; mos
[16:39] <daveake> ^ from my Facebook post
[16:39] <Upu> 30114m/98799ft
[16:39] <Upu> to be exact
[16:39] <jcoxon> the map is a little crazy!
[16:39] <daveake> Cool, the highest I saw was just below 30km
[16:40] <daveake> Yeah, it has a bug in the GPS conversion code.
[16:40] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:most_recent_launches <- daveake
[16:40] <Upu> be interested to see the video
[16:40] <daveake> Had a quick look at the video and that looked great.
[16:41] <daveake> Cheers :-)
[16:41] <daveake> What was the descent speed at the last reading?
[16:42] <Upu> -23.5m/s @ 3000m
[16:42] <Upu> was it in once piece ? Thats nearly 50 mph :)
[16:43] <daveake> One strangely shaped piece, yes!
[16:43] <daveake> Next time it'll have a controlled detach from the balloon!
[16:43] <Upu> glad you got it back look forward to seeing the video - right off to walk dog
[16:43] <Upu> p.s you're not a true habber till you've landed in a tree :)
[16:43] <Upu> afk
[16:44] <daveake> It missed some VERY VERY VERY large trees by a very small amount!
[16:44] <mattltm> pnig hibby
[16:44] <mattltm> dugh!
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[16:45] <daveake> When we got to the last GPS location we got a direction from the Yagi then walked along following the signal
[16:45] <daveake> As we got closer we could hardly see the sky for trees
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[16:45] <daveake> No way could we have retrieved it from a tree
[16:45] <daveake> Then I thought I had a sound, so switched off the receiver and we could just hear the whistle from the bleeper
[16:46] <daveake> So we followed that.
[16:46] <hibby> mattltm: hola
[16:46] <daveake> By then we were in a guy's garden - he was very helpful and friendly one he knew WTF he had 7 people descending on him!
[16:47] <daveake> He was a bit older than us and couldn't hear the whistle, but we could.
[16:47] <daveake> So we walked towards the bleep and spotted it in next door's back garden.
[16:47] <Dan-K2VOL> ISS hatch opening to shuttle now
[16:48] <daveake> He said "Don't go and ask them - they're strabge" then opened a gap in his fence and got it back for us.
[16:48] <daveake> I'll be sending him prints from the video soon :-)
[16:48] <Dan-K2VOL> rare open ambient mic in the ISS
[16:49] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Glad to hear that CLOUD1 has been recovered.
[16:49] <daveake> So am I :-)
[16:49] <daveake> brb - need to keep the helpers happy :-)
[16:50] <mattltm> hibby: how do you edit profile info on like.fm?
[16:50] <hibby> define: edit
[16:52] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Will be interested to see the video. Pity about the camera. Got a good signal here in Fulham for quite a while.
[16:52] <jcoxon> i see that Dutch-Mill managed to get some strings
[16:58] <daveake> Just about to copy about 14GB of HD video from the SD card :-)
[16:59] <chris_99> what camera did you use for the video daveake
[16:59] <daveake> The impact rebooted the Arduino - the packet numbers were around 270 when we got to it
[16:59] <daveake> Canon A480
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[17:00] <daveake> I think I probably managed to stop the script when trying to fix a non-issue with the transmitter
[17:00] <Upu> Yeah Dutch managed to get a few in
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[17:01] <daveake> Someone (I forget who - my brain is full!) in NI managed to get data for a while
[17:01] <Upu> fsphil
[17:01] <daveake> Thanks :-)
[17:01] <daveake> I remember now!
[17:01] <daveake> The balloon went straight up and we lost comms quite quickly
[17:03] <daveake> I'll get the GPS log off the SD card tomorrow, so I can see what it thinks the max height and that rather impressive descent speed were :-)
[17:05] <Upu> Full logs from all recievers here : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/launch_recordings/cloud1-10072011.txt if you want it
[17:06] <daveake> Cheers :-)
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[17:06] <Upu> and the recieved telemetry from my station is uploading now
[17:07] <Upu> string 715 shows a max altitude of 30110
[17:07] <Upu> CLOUD1,715,12:44:03,51.602838,-1.122296,30110,40.518,256.3*65
[17:08] <Upu> string 716 is missing probably burst and was tumbling but it might have gone a little higher than that
[17:10] <daveake> It looped the loop a couple of times at least from the video
[17:12] <Upu> it sounded like it was tumbling 1 sec I'll link you the audio you can have a listen
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> hey daveake
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> did you find it?
[17:13] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/launch_recordings/cloud1-10072011.wav
[17:13] <daveake> Hey LL
[17:13] <daveake> Thanks :-)
[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> did you find it?
[17:14] <daveake> YES!
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> where was it?
[17:15] <fsphil> on the ground :)
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> in the Willingford area?
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:15] <daveake> Howe Hill, Watlington
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:15] <daveake> On the ground, having found the only gap between some very dense and very very high trees!
[17:16] <fsphil> aah it didn't travel as far east as I expected
[17:16] <daveake> Nope
[17:16] <daveake> We overshot in the cars
[17:16] <fsphil> I thought it would be closer to High Wycombe
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> daveake you have some interesting descent records
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: -14072 m Rate: -2107.1 m/s"
[17:17] <daveake> LOL
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: 24383 m Rate: 474.4 m/s"
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> "Altitude: -31694 m Rate: -2618.2 m/s"
[17:17] <daveake> The real descent rate was impressive too!
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations for the world's lowest HAB flight at -31694 m!
[17:18] <daveake> I haven't weighed it yet, but we have at least half the ballloon still attached to the parachute
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[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:20] <fsphil> I've seen that happen -- that too was in a rush to meet the ground
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[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil are you around?
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[18:20] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... "Interesting" track for CLOUD1 on the tracker...
[18:20] <Upu> yes was an interesting flight :)
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[18:21] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:most_recent_launches
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[18:22] <LazyLeopard> The negative altitudes must've been entertaining. ;)
[18:23] <Upu> got the record for the lowest ever altitude recorded :)
[18:23] <daveake> And the jaunts over the North Sea!
[18:23] <daveake> I'll get the NMEA log from the SD card tomorrow
[18:24] <LazyLeopard> Yes, some fairly dramatic flips in longitude and altitude...
[18:24] <daveake> Looking at the video, the fall was broken by the bush we found it next to.
[18:24] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[18:24] <daveake> The computer rebooted on impact but started up again OK, and the video stopped then too.
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[18:25] <Upu> uploading the video to youtube ?
[18:25] <daveake> Some of it, yes :-)
[18:25] <daveake> A friend has the complete footage and will be piecing together something for me
[18:26] <Upu> wonderful :)
[18:26] <daveake> The fall was a real rollercoaster
[18:26] <Upu> it actually did sound like it
[18:27] <daveake> You hear the "pop" then all hell breaks loose!
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[18:36] <fsphil> hi Dan-K2VOL, back now -- was watching resident evil 4
[18:38] <fsphil> aah nice that there was a pop sound
[18:38] <hibby> watching/playing?
[18:38] <fsphil> some of the videos I've watched didn't have it
[18:38] <fsphil> hibby, the movie
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[18:41] <fsphil> still not as good as the first one
[18:42] <hibby> cool
[18:42] <hibby> anyone into openttd?
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[19:02] <daveake> Some shots here from the video - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.162733837128321
[19:02] <daveake> The fall was actually broken by some trees I think, before it hit the bush :-)
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[19:05] <fsphil> haha
[19:06] <fsphil> tree's actually helping
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[19:07] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil I just copied you on an email to GPSL
[19:07] <Upu>
[19:07] <Upu> that work for anyone ?
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[19:07] <fsphil> just reading the thread now
[19:08] <fsphil> Upu, white screen
[19:08] <Upu> you got Flash installed ?
[19:08] <fsphil> yep
[19:08] <Upu> meh ok thx
[19:09] <fsphil> could be my machine too
[19:09] <Upu> nah it snot
[19:09] <fsphil> though flash seems to work
[19:09] <jcoxon> nothing here
[19:09] <jcoxon> just white
[19:09] <Upu> no worries I'll keep working on it, thats Flash Media Server
[19:09] <Upu> works locally
[19:10] <Upu> but going to watch top gear now
[19:10] <fsphil> Dan-K2VOL, now that would be neat since you guys can use proper radios to transmit with :)
[19:10] <fsphil> could get away with 1200 baud
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[19:11] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:11] <daveake> Evening :-)
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[19:11] <daveake> Just off to watch TG, but if you want to see some shots from cloud1 see here - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.162733837128321
[19:12] <jcoxon> eek facebook
[19:13] <daveake> Works or not works?
[19:13] <jcoxon> requires login for big pictures
[19:13] <daveake> Should be public
[19:13] <daveake> Oh
[19:13] <jcoxon> but the gallery appears
[19:13] <daveake> Ah, OK
[19:13] <jcoxon> and i quit facebook 9 months ago
[19:13] <daveake> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/368443/Capture_000.JPG
[19:14] <daveake> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/368443/Capture_021.JPG
[19:14] <jcoxon> nice
[19:14] <daveake> Later
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[19:15] Action: jcoxon is getting a little bored of waiting for pico to run out of power
[19:15] <fsphil> lol
[19:15] <fsphil> stupid renewable energy
[19:15] <jcoxon> i've got a firmware update for it
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[19:15] <jcoxon> but its probably worth me waiting to complete the experiment
[19:17] <jcoxon> fsphil, i've been thinking about the foil balloon flights
[19:17] <jcoxon> about getting them to float
[19:17] <fsphil> thought of a better way?
[19:17] <jcoxon> well
[19:17] <jcoxon> we need to go for a incredibly slow ascent rate
[19:17] <jcoxon> so that the amount of lift is small
[19:18] <jcoxon> therefore we don't require a high pressure to reduce the lift to neutral
[19:18] <fsphil> I think I know where this is going :)
[19:18] <jcoxon> as in the aim is to get the require pressures for neutral bouyancy to be within the strength of the foil balloon
[19:19] <jcoxon> am i making sense?
[19:19] <fsphil> yep
[19:19] <fsphil> the last one ruptured because of the internal pressure
[19:19] <jcoxon> it doesn't matter about hte payload mass
[19:20] <jcoxon> as in that will just vary the altitude that you float at
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[19:20] <jcoxon> the % fill at launch will dictate the altitude
[19:21] <jcoxon> (this doesn't take into account temperature)
[19:21] <fsphil> you need both to match? (the % and payload mass?)
[19:22] <jcoxon> so your've got a payload of mass x
[19:22] <jcoxon> and to make that neutrally bouyant you need y of helium
[19:22] <jcoxon> so to launch you use y + 1
[19:22] <fsphil> make sense
[19:23] <fsphil> how to calculate y
[19:23] <jcoxon> if y = 50% then you'll float ~ at 1/2 the ground pressure
[19:23] <fsphil> ah
[19:23] <jcoxon> as in its expanded to fill the whole balloon
[19:23] <fsphil> getcha
[19:23] <jcoxon> (this is my gcse maths )
[19:24] <jcoxon> the point is that the y+1 means that you can vary y and get the altitude you want
[19:24] <jcoxon> as long as +1 is less then the bursting pressure
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[19:25] <fsphil> I wonder if we can fill it to y exactly. and use another way to get it to the float altitude
[19:25] <jcoxon> but
[19:26] <Dan-K2VOL> however the payload mass will determine your speed of overpressurization, which may be relevant
[19:26] <jcoxon> fsphil, as long as your y of gas doesn't pressureize
[19:27] <jcoxon> as in if you use a second balloon to pull it to a set altitude, you'd only remain neutral if the y hadn't expanded to 100% of the balloon
[19:27] <jcoxon> if it starts to pressurise then its lift would decrease
[19:27] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used pygame?
[19:27] <Laurenceb_> is it really nooby?
[19:28] <fsphil> would it drop back to the float altitude and stay there?
[19:28] <jcoxon> i guess then it would descend and find its equilibirum
[19:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:28] <jcoxon> you'd need to properly dump the lifting balloon
[19:28] <fsphil> thinking back to my silly idea of having a small prop and motor to push it up
[19:28] <jcoxon> as any additional mass will pull you down
[19:29] <jcoxon> the key is not to expose it any time to burst pressure as thats obviously game over
[19:29] <jcoxon> idealy you'd use a single balloon as 2 balloons complicates matters
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[19:29] <jcoxon> or 4 balloons as per picoatlas
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> remember that you'll need a few PSI to have a true superpressure so that temperature change does not affect density/altitude
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> and those foil balloons have a burst pressure very close to a few psi
[19:30] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, yeah, completely agree
[19:30] <jcoxon> but they are so easily avaliable
[19:31] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, I think that towing it up with another balloon beyond it's equillibrium altitude might be a little risky
[19:32] <Dan-K2VOL> but to just below it's eq altitude might be good
[19:32] <BrainDamage> is my client broken, or is there a tons of "smea" users in this channel?
[19:32] <jcoxon> BrainDamage, there is only 1 but smea comes in and out a lot
[19:32] <BrainDamage> so my client is borked, thanks
[19:32] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i'm thinking of going for the super slow ascent rate
[19:33] <jcoxon> letting it find its own equlibrium
[19:33] <fsphil> what about some kind of passive vent-- that opens up when the pressure inside the balloon reaches a certain point
[19:33] <Dan-K2VOL> that's a good plan jcoxon
[19:33] <Dan-K2VOL> that would be the ideal fsphil to make it easier to develop these thigns
[19:34] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah that would work
[19:34] <hibby> would mean losing gas, which could ruin float at variable temperature
[19:34] <Dan-K2VOL> but finding a lightweight pressure relief valve is difficult
[19:34] <jcoxon> yeah in some ways thats a ZP
[19:34] <fsphil> yea
[19:35] <Dan-K2VOL> well only if you set it relieve pressure down to ambient
[19:35] <Dan-K2VOL> you want it to open and close around 2 psi I think
[19:36] Action: hibby suggests a valve control system so that, once float is achieved, gas is vented when desired... or maybe it would weigh too much
[19:37] <Dan-K2VOL> hibby that would be good for development, however for long duration flight (weeks/months) it provides a lot of leak points, and you shouldn't have to ever relieve gas after the first climb
[19:37] <hibby> Ah - we're talking long, long time float.
[19:37] <hibby> cool
[19:38] <jcoxon> well i'm talking about as much float as can be got
[19:38] <Dan-K2VOL> you want the pressure in the balloon to always stay above ambient, night and day. probably about a 2psi swing, between night and day
[19:39] <jcoxon> though currently that is 0 float
[19:39] <Dan-K2VOL> if it's always pressurized, the density remains constant, thus lift remains constant
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[19:40] <jcoxon> i think the key is to fly with as few balloons as possible, which means either bigger balloons or smaller payloads
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[19:45] <Dan-K2VOL> that sounds reasonable jcoxon
[19:45] <fsphil> shame there's no simple way of testing
[19:46] <fsphil> we need a vacuum chamber
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> there is, if you have a large vacuum chamber
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> ahem junderwood and eroomde ;-)
[19:47] <jcoxon> and then there are these: http://www.balloonmarket.co.uk/latex-balloons/plain-latex/8ft-chloroprene/8ft-giant-cloudbuster-blue-chloroprene-balloon-1
[19:48] <fsphil> pretty similar to latex isn't it?
[19:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:48] <jcoxon> thats what i assume
[19:48] <fsphil> nice to have a colour choice though :)
[19:49] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander
[19:49] <m1x10> I think i solved the humidity sensor at 3v3 issue
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> hello m1x10
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:49] <m1x10> I get 29% humidity in my room
[19:49] <WillDuckworth> anyone know if CU Spaceflight's project squirrel is still on the go?
[19:49] <m1x10> in the center of the city a weather station reports 19%.
[19:50] <m1x10> but i live up on mountain 150m altitude
[19:50] <hibby> It's something-unreal humid in OH at the moment
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah m1x10
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> how did you do it?
[19:52] <Randomskk> WillDuckworth: kinda
[19:52] <Randomskk> we lost the test hardware in a tre
[19:52] <Randomskk> tree
[19:52] <Randomskk> but the guy working on the project is currently employed by google over the holiday, so is trying to get more
[19:54] <WillDuckworth> excellent, got a mate who has a spare nexus 1 - was thinking of loading the apk's onto it and sticking it in as an additional package
[19:54] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: I was ignoring a calibration matter from the datasheet.
[19:54] <WillDuckworth> to my WDHAB
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:54] <m1x10> a division with a fixed value
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:55] <m1x10> 0000000,0000000,000000,000,000,0000,00,31,+33,+33,29,1000,22:54,0015,SLAROS
[19:55] <m1x10> thats my telemetry string
[19:55] <m1x10> the 29 is the humidity in %
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool1
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> what are the other numbers?
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[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10?
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[20:09] <m1x10> e
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> what are the other numbers?
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[20:11] <m1x10> x,y,z,course,speed,vertical speed,satellites,voltage,int temp,ext temp,humidity,barometric pressure,time,message number,mission
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> do the other numbers match?
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. the 1000 mbar and the temps
[20:12] <m1x10> yes
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> well done
[20:12] <m1x10> only the gps data is zeros cause i does not have lock right now
[20:13] <Randomskk> have you made the xml document for it yet?
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:57] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:58] <fsphil> wb
[20:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, its finally died
[20:58] <jcoxon> 4880 loops which equals about 11 hours
[20:58] <fsphil> totally on solar
[20:59] <jcoxon> with the lipo as well
[20:59] <jcoxon> though it could do with more low power modes to make it survive the night
[20:59] <fsphil> is this with the gps being shut-down?
[21:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:00] <jcoxon> so it turns on every 10mins
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[21:09] <fsphil> I wonder if you should try hacking a little battery onto the gps, just to see if holding the memory helps
[21:09] <jcoxon> yeah thats my next step
[21:10] <jcoxon> just need to be careful with teh soldering
[21:10] <jcoxon> surface mounted ublox and quite a tight space
[21:12] <fsphil> I take it the gps bee doesn't bring out the battery connections to the pins?
[21:12] <jcoxon> indeed it doesn't
[21:12] <jcoxon> it brings out very little
[21:13] <jcoxon> but is suspect that is so that it is xbee socket compatible
[21:13] <jcoxon> fsphil, i could also use a i/o in from the avr i guess
[21:20] <fsphil> power it from the avr .. yea, means you could reset it if the gps starts going funky
[21:22] <jcoxon> also would save weight
[21:24] <jcoxon> ping Dan-K2VOL
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> hey jcoxon
[21:26] <jcoxon> so is someone working on fldigi then?
[21:26] <jcoxon> seen parts of tweets about it
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[21:28] <W0OTM> Hello World
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> hi W0OTM
[21:28] <NigeyS-Mint> hey marshal
[21:28] <W0OTM> Hey Hey
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> how's life W0OTM?
[21:52] <fsphil> I'm not sure what that was about jcoxon, if it was upstream or someone working on dl-fldigi
[21:52] <fsphil> I had a go at merging upstream but there are a fair few conflicts
[21:53] <jcoxon> fsphil, we should probably do a release quite soon
[21:55] <fsphil> yea
[21:56] <fsphil> need to look at rocketboy's bug too
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> today is Andrée's anniversary
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> the launch of his North Pole balloon in 1897
[22:01] <jcoxon> right night all
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[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> good nighz
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> *night
[22:23] <m1x10> bb
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