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[05:25] <SamSilver> simhed: I am watching video :-)
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[07:06] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:07] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, you still considering launching today?
[07:07] <RocketBoy> yes - just looking at the forecasts now - might be mid afternoon
[07:10] <RocketBoy> will u be around then - might stretch into early evening
[07:10] <jcoxon> whats the launch aim?
[07:10] <jcoxon> ummmm i'm going to the cinema this evening
[07:11] <RocketBoy> ah ok
[07:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "[UKHAS] XABEN Flight Tracking Help Today"
[07:59] <RocketBoy> BBL
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[09:19] <fsphil> I should be about later RocketBoy, sans dinner time :)
[09:30] <RocketBoy> thanks fsphil - I'm packing up and heading off to ears myself shortly
[09:36] <cuddykid> hi all
[09:44] <junderwood> RocketBoy, I will try to listen later. I'm going to try to compare the IC7000 with the FCD. 2 yagis on the same pole.
[09:44] <SamSIlver_> morning cuddykid
[09:45] <cuddykid> hi SamSilver_
[09:45] <cuddykid> I'm pretty sure it was the ~17mins delay after startup routine that caused the camera to shut down
[09:45] <cuddykid> odd though, as a 15min delay works fine
[09:46] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN Flight Tracking Help Today"
[09:47] <SamSIlver_> bugger
[09:48] <cuddykid> yeah, a real shame as weather was perfect and it went really high
[09:49] <cuddykid> but, I've got a lot of clearance for the next few weeks (though on holiday for 2 weeks in a week & 1/2).. hopefully I'll launch again
[09:49] <SamSIlver_> you just need gas and balloon Right?
[09:50] <cuddykid> yeah, payload could fly again
[09:50] <cuddykid> I reckon I've still got about 1 m3 of helium left (due to alt achieved), if so, I could get a smaller canister and should be good
[09:50] <cuddykid> bbl
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[09:51] <SamSIlver_> okay
[10:03] <fsphil> I can hear chickens. it was a goat yesterday. You'd think I live on a farm
[10:04] <SamSIlver_> I just had monkeys on my roof
[10:04] <SamSIlver_> one had a huge pair of blue testicles
[10:04] <fsphil> you win
[10:04] <SamSIlver_> lol
[10:05] <SamSIlver_> I got a head start - I live in Africa
[10:07] <mattltm> Morning. Am I in the right channel? Blue testicle monkeys? Ah yes, this is UKHAS :)
[10:08] <SamSIlver_> Morning mattltm
[10:10] <fsphil> that what happens when you send a monkey up to high altitudes
[10:10] Action: fsphil is installing fresh batteries into hadie:3 -- want to see if it survived
[10:11] <cuddykid> hope it did fsphil!
[10:11] <mattltm> fsphil: their testicles got a darker shade of blue?
[10:12] <cuddykid> the backup tracker worked fantastically yesterday - text on descent about 2km up and replied almost instantly!
[10:13] <fsphil> well I can hear RTTY -- but it's bouncy, oscillating in frequency
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[10:13] <cuddykid> had a garmin etrex to hunt down the point it gave when it had landed but couldn't work it
[10:13] <mattltm> cuddykid: Nice gps. Learn how to use it and you will love it :)
[10:13] <fsphil> great work on the flight cuddykid btw, just unfortunate about the camera fault.
[10:14] <mattltm> Great for geocaching :)
[10:14] <cuddykid> mattltm: yeah, going to try and get my head around it today!
[10:14] <fsphil> aah, a decent gps is nice - ours was a car gps and it was pretty vague once we went off road
[10:14] <cuddykid> fsphil: cheers
[10:14] <fsphil> but it got us to the right tree
[10:14] <cuddykid> yeah, camera was a bummer, but a fabulous flight
[10:15] <cuddykid> and couldn't believe how far away we could hear the payload when on the ground - probably about 2km away (or possibly more) with rolling hills and mini forests etc!
[10:15] <fsphil> amazing -- and that was with the antenna on the ground?
[10:16] <cuddykid> yeah, but fortunately antenna was pointing up!
[10:17] <cuddykid> will put photos up in a bit
[10:17] <cuddykid> but the local press guy has good ones of launch
[10:17] <cuddykid> doubt if they'll cover it in the paper now because of the camera failure
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[10:18] <mattltm> cuddykid: Just send them of few of fsphil images insted :p
[10:20] <jcoxon> we need to build a remote radio station for cambridge
[10:20] <jcoxon> so that for launches there is at least one listener
[10:21] <mattltm> good idea jcoxon
[10:22] <mattltm> I will have a remote radio set up on my building in Medway soon that shouldbe able to pick up easy enough.
[10:22] <cuddykid> mattltm: haha, yeah lol
[10:22] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Balloon launch from EARS, Cambridge, 434.075MHz select 'XABEN', launch at ~1400UTC listeners would be great #ukhas #arhab #hamr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/87466329304596480]
[10:24] <RocketBoy> BBL (from EARS)
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[10:26] <fsphil> hadie lives :)
[10:26] <jcoxon> hooray
[10:26] <fsphil> even the serial camera and fsa03 survived
[10:26] <jcoxon> cool
[10:27] <jcoxon> urgh i better get up
[10:27] <jcoxon> need to get some stripboard from maplins
[10:27] <fsphil> yea, it's a lovely day out there :p
[10:28] <jcoxon> feeling fragile from our summer ball last night
[10:29] <fsphil> aah
[10:29] <SamSIlver_> jcoxon: have a nice glass of scrumpy
[10:29] <jcoxon> cereal has helped considerably
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: neat!
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: What was the overall condition?
[10:30] <jcoxon> ping cuddykid
[10:31] <cuddykid> hi jcoxon
[10:32] <jcoxon> i'm going to clear spacenear.us
[10:32] <jcoxon> wanna take some screenshots before hand?
[10:32] <cuddykid> done it :) thanks!
[10:33] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, just a bit damp at the bottom. there was some greenish water leaking out of it when we first grabbed it with the hook.
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Great!
[10:33] <cuddykid> fsphil, v good news
[10:33] <fsphil> the SD card had some condensation on it - but now that everything is dry, it looks good - though we damaged the box a bit trying to get it down
[10:33] <fsphil> the A560's lens was still out
[10:34] <fsphil> it was taking pictures for about an hour in the trees
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:34] <fsphil> didn't think the serial camera would survive - it's lens was exposed to the weather, and it was a pretty wet month
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> Rain is water afterall
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> clean
[10:35] <fsphil> filtered through a tree :)
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:35] <G3VZV> james - given a bit of notice/planning u could always use my kit in Milton Keynes..Logmein to the pc and Ham radio deluxe to tune the 910. The fixed white stick 20 metres up a trees should be good enough for most of the EARS launches
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> Can you get setial cameras anymore?
[10:35] <fsphil> I got these from cool components, I think they still sell them
[10:35] <fsphil> sparkfun have a new one too but I haven't tried it yet
[10:36] <jcoxon> G3VZV, ooo cool
[10:36] <jcoxon> currently i'm the wrong side of the south downs
[10:36] <jcoxon> so means that its difficult for me to track
[10:37] <jcoxon> one day i'll complete my web based dl-fldigi setup
[10:39] <G3VZV> james - email me at graham@shirville.com sometime
[10:40] <fsphil> G3VZV_FCD_HELL ?
[10:40] <fsphil> they're not that bad ;-)
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[10:42] <G3VZV> no HELL for when someone was using HELLscrieber..
[10:44] <fsphil> hehe, thought so
[10:46] <cuddykid> guys how much helium do you reckon I have left.. bearing in mind a 1000g hwoyee balloon, almost 36km burst alt, and slowish ascent? -> was a 3.6 m3 canister I was using
[10:46] <cuddykid> I reckon about 1m3
[10:51] <fsphil> I thought about the same last time, but when I was filling the second balloon I only got half way
[10:51] <fsphil> I'd gotten a second cylinder though so could continue filling
[10:52] <fsphil> BOC let you return the cylinders if the seal isn't broken
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[11:10] <cuddykid> do BOC refund you a certain amount if there is still helium left in it?
[11:12] <fsphil> afraid not
[11:12] <cuddykid> d'oh :(
[11:12] <fsphil> yea I was hoping for that too
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[11:12] <cuddykid> and I am correct in thinking that I can hold onto it for another month and will just get charged another £6?
[11:12] <fsphil> yep
[11:13] <cuddykid> cool, think I will do that rather than let it go to waste
[11:13] <fsphil> my plan too -- though the two cylinders take up a lot of space :)
[11:13] <cuddykid> yeah
[11:13] <fsphil> I'm hoping to get rid of one this week - it's pretty much empty
[11:13] <fsphil> might fill up a few party balloons before I return it
[11:14] <cuddykid> yeah :)
[11:14] <russss> BOC cylinder rental is such a scam
[11:15] <cuddykid> yeah, not happy with BOC - seems to have a ridiculous monopoly
[11:15] <fsphil> that's "air products" fault
[11:16] <fsphil> they seen to go out of their way to make it difficult to buy from them
[11:16] <russss> there's Air Liquide too, I dunno if they're any good.
[11:17] <cuddykid> wish if there was a way of storing helium / transferring it from their cylinders
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[11:18] <fsphil> hehe, return a tank of vacuum
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> I wonder how long it'd last in a thic binbag.
[11:20] <cuddykid> problem would be getting it from the binbag into the balloon again - need some way of compressing the gas
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> Aquarium pump
[11:20] <cuddykid> ahh, neat
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> Or something slightly bigger
[11:23] <cuddykid> Hi WillDuckworth
[11:26] <WillDuckworth> Hi cuddykid
[11:26] <WillDuckworth> have you done the write up?
[11:26] <cuddykid> running through your code now - v neat! So you're having a compass on board
[11:26] <cuddykid> not yet, still diagnosing the camera! - almost certain it's the script
[11:27] <cuddykid> and the buzzer not being on - looks as though the duct tape pulled one of the connecting wires to the arduino out (hence no power)
[11:27] <WillDuckworth> yep, going for internal, external temp, air pressure, a compass module and ssdv download on 865MHz
[11:28] <cuddykid> wow! nice
[11:28] <WillDuckworth> telem on 434.650 or 434.075
[11:28] <cuddykid> awesome
[11:28] <WillDuckworth> got both, so dual launchable ;)
[11:28] <cuddykid> do you have link to your pressure & compass modules
[11:28] <cuddykid> haha, nice
[11:29] <griffonbot> @Hamradio_Ticker: RT @jamescoxon: Balloon launch from EARS, Cambridge, 434.075MHz select 'XABEN', launch at ~1400UTC listeners would be great #ukhas #arhab& [http://twitter.com/Hamradio_Ticker/status/87483048865701888]
[11:29] <WillDuckworth> nope - on different inputs on the arduino
[11:29] <cuddykid> ah right - I see that you're using the onewire library too - I couldn't get that to work with mine :(
[11:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Upuaut "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN Flight Tracking Help Today"
[11:35] <fsphil> ssdv on 865mhz? nifty!
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[11:36] <WillDuckworth> that's the plan anyway fsphil, do you think you could decode that at the same time as tracking? (martin1 format)
[11:37] <fsphil> aah sstv
[11:38] <fsphil> in theory my TV antenna can receive 860mhz
[11:38] <fsphil> and it's pointing roughtly the right way
[11:39] <WillDuckworth> good stuff, basically i'm using jcoxon's code on a gumstix, having fun trying to get stuff to compile properly
[11:39] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - XABEN launch 3/7/11 1300-1400 BST
[11:40] <fsphil> what power is the radio module?
[11:43] <WillDuckworth> it's the tx3h 869.5MHz at 500mW
[11:48] <fsphil> sweet
[11:49] <fsphil> what are you receiving with?
[11:50] <WillDuckworth> i've got a PCR1000 which i'm hoping will do the trick - what do you reckon?
[11:50] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: just spoke to the person from Worcester News, still v interested as everything else worked apart from camera. Looks like they might run it in tomorrows news paper!
[11:51] <WillDuckworth> cool cuddykid - maybe another try next weekend?!?
[11:51] <cuddykid> also - I can now work the garmin!
[11:51] <cuddykid> would love to launch again!!
[11:51] <cuddykid> going to try and get another balloon asap
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[11:52] <cuddykid> out of stock though on RocketBoy 's site
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[12:00] <WillDuckworth> there's always the totex - bit more expensive though
[12:00] <WillDuckworth> i've got the ta-1000
[12:00] <WillDuckworth> between us we'll have enough gas for 2
[12:05] <fsphil> WillDuckworth, not sure but I'll be trying with the funcube dongle
[12:06] <NigeyS> afternoooooooooooooooooon campers
[12:10] <G3VZV> do we have an uptodate launch time for Xaben??
[12:16] <jcoxon> last i heard was between 1400 and 1500
[12:16] <jcoxon> i think Steve is on his own for hte launch so it'll take a bit to setup
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[12:23] <fsphil> solo launch - that takes skill
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[12:29] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: yeah, I bet we do have enough gas for 2, just about!
[12:29] <cuddykid> I'll speak to Steve after his launch today
[12:31] <cuddykid> garmin works a treat
[12:45] <fsphil> hehe, you had a table
[12:46] <fsphil> I'm so bringing chairs to the next launch
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[12:55] <simhed> is anyone else selling ta-1500s in the uk apart from steve randall?
[12:55] <simhed> he seems to be out of stock
[12:57] <cuddykid> fsphil, yeah!
[12:57] <cuddykid> how did you know?!
[12:57] <cuddykid> flickr?
[12:58] <fsphil> yea :)
[12:58] <cuddykid> cool, I'm going to try and get the photos off the press guy so hopefully will have some decent ones :)
[12:58] <fsphil> I never thought of taking any pics of our setup
[12:59] <cuddykid> table was v handy, as the payload antenna was poking out of bottom so was a good place to put payload
[13:02] <fsphil> yea - I had to hang mine from a camera tripod
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[13:07] <cuddykid> uploading some launch photos now :)
[13:11] <cuddykid> anyone have a script to retrieve selected data from the raw data? (e.g. I want to plot temp vs alt graph)
[13:12] <fsphil> I was able to sort and remove duplicates with some bash script voodoo
[13:12] <fsphil> I'll see if I can dig it out
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[13:19] <fsphil> are you on linux or mac cuddykid?
[13:20] <Upu> "if of course fsphil doesn't mind that is" should have been on the end of that mail :)
[13:20] <fsphil> LOL
[13:20] <fsphil> sudo fsphil will track it
[13:21] <Upu> well I'm back but I have to pick dog up shortly
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[13:24] <Upu> cuddykid grats on yesterdays launch
[13:24] <cuddykid> fpshil: mac :) thanks
[13:24] <cuddykid> Upu: cheers
[13:24] <cuddykid> heard about the camera failure though?!
[13:24] <jcoxon> back
[13:24] <Upu> yeah
[13:24] <Upu> shame but nevermind
[13:24] <cuddykid> gutted about that, but rest went v well
[13:24] <Upu> yuo got the payload back thats what counts
[13:24] <cuddykid> yeah
[13:24] <jcoxon> xaben on the map
[13:25] <cuddykid> indeed, with not 1 bit of damage
[13:25] <Upu> yup
[13:25] <Upu> you ok to do remote fsphil ?
[13:25] <jcoxon> though not in the air yet
[13:26] <cuddykid> bbl
[13:27] <fsphil> Upu, should be around - heading to a bbq shortly but should be back before
[13:27] <fsphil> launch
[13:28] <fsphil> cuddykid, this is the command I used - not sure if it'll work on the mac:
[13:28] <fsphil> grep -e hadie, rawdata.txt | cut -d " " -f3- | sort -n -t, +1 -2 | uniq > result.txt
[13:28] <fsphil> rawdata.txt being the view.php page, trimmed with just the flight bits
[13:29] <Upu> I'll set up as not going out just yet
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[13:29] <fsphil> basically gives you a csv file if you take away the checksum
[13:31] <Upu> ok online, looks like it worked well yesterday
[13:34] <fsphil> excellent signal
[13:35] <fsphil> tracked down to about 5km iirc
[13:35] <Upu> nice, even with peak district in the way
[13:36] <fsphil> lake district to the west, peak district to the south? :)
[13:37] <Upu> yeah :)
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[13:43] <Upu> its up
[13:47] <mattltm> Has XABEN been launched?
[13:51] <Upu> yes
[13:52] <mattltm> Thanks Upu. Now I just need dl to stop crashing on me :(
[13:54] <Upu> which version ?
[13:54] <Upu> what os ?
[13:54] <mattltm> 3.20.34, win 7
[13:54] <mattltm> Think its sorted now.
[13:54] <mattltm> it didn't like hamlib
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[13:55] <Upu> yeah don't turn your radio off whilst its running
[13:55] <RocketBoy> tis away - about 10m mins ago
[13:56] <Upu> we see :)
[13:56] <Upu> I should be able to hear it in another 1000 meters or so
[13:57] <mattltm> nothing for me yet. 434.075 yes?
[13:57] <Upu> I believe so
[13:58] <Upu> G8KHW you got it whats the dial frequency ?
[13:58] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_2E0UPU
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[13:58] <junderwood> dial freq is 434070.54
[13:58] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[13:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah got it
[13:58] <mattltm> Ah ha! and there it is :)
[13:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> loud and cleare
[13:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey dlfldigi just retuned the radio never seen it do that before cool :)
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[14:01] <NigeyS> to far away for my whip :(
[14:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.071.02 here, try it NigeyS its loud and clear
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[14:02] <NigeyS> oo its very faint
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[14:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> SNR seems to be about 8dB lower on the FCD than the IC7000
[14:04] <hibby> probably has a better rf input stage than the FCD
[14:04] <Rob_M0DTS> SNR -3dB here, decoding very well.
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[14:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> no surprise there for 10th price
[14:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> really clear here
[14:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> SNR 24 dB :)
[14:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> 8db here
[14:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> what sized balloon is this ?
[14:07] <RocketBoy> bbl
[14:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> or is it going to cut down ?
[14:07] <NigeyS> phil fdigi is being a pain
[14:07] <NigeyS> i got xaben on GT station but i cant set my soundcard to be input :|
[14:08] <G8VCN> RTTY setting please some one ?
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[14:09] <Rob_M0DTS> 50,7,n,1
[14:09] <Rob_M0DTS> 425 shift
[14:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.071 atm from here
[14:11] <jgrahamc> Afternoon all
[14:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey there
[14:12] <jgrahamc> I should probably change my nick to include my callsign as everyone else seems to be today
[14:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> balloon in the air
[14:13] <jgrahamc> Yep. Watching it and waiting for the 5deg horizon to hit me
[14:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> where are you ?
[14:14] Nick change: jgrahamc -> jgrahamc_M6ANJ
[14:14] <fsphil> Upu_2E0UPU, I turned on auto-tuning - it centres the signal when it drifts too far
[14:14] <fsphil> though it doesn't always work, there's a bug in it
[14:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> ah ok fsphil not noticed that before done it twice and seems fine
[14:14] <G8VCN> Thanks Rob spot on
[14:20] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_2I0VIM
[14:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> :p
[14:21] <jgrahamc_M6ANJ> Now of course I'm inferior because of that 6 in my callsign. Need to get round to doing the other exams.
[14:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I prefer my MI6 callsign
[14:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I use it when I can
[14:23] <Hiena> Well, well, well, Mr. Bond...
[14:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I like my radio shaken ...
[14:24] <hibby> some of us have mm3 callsigns, that just singles you out as lazy
[14:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> intermediate call signs are rubbish
[14:24] <hibby> however, it is no fault of my own ~ the rsgb just can't organise themselves to send out papers
[14:24] <Upu_2E0UPU> stay foundation and save bandwidth
[14:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> shame you can't jump straight to the M0
[14:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if you can pass the M0, clearly the foundation isn't needed
[14:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> or intermediate
[14:25] <hibby> nah, im 'just' going to do the amateur extra when im in the states, come back, get a reciprocal and complain to the rsgb
[14:26] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[14:26] <Hiena> My call sign is "whtfck". If i goes on air, they immediately will call me.
[14:26] <hibby> nah, ofcom don't really care about radio laws
[14:27] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the expanding blue circle is about to absorb the isle of man. england and wales are already gone
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> hibby: That's not true!
[14:27] <hibby> god save them.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> hibby: If you interfere with any maor stakeholder, they will investigate!
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise - they can't be arsed.
[14:27] <hibby> hahah
[14:28] <hibby> almost all of our repeaters in this area are no longer in use because of jammers/spammers/scanners, and no amount of complaints has helped :/
[14:29] <Upu_2E0UPU> coming your way fsphil
[14:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> another km or so and I should hear it
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[14:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> alot of listeners today
[14:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think I'll stick a yagi up there just below the colinear
[14:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> point it south east
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[14:40] <jgrahamc> Getting strings here in Fulham
[14:41] <jgrahamc> But not on tracker for some reason
[14:43] <jgrahamc> Says its uploaded but nothing there anyone know why?
[14:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> have you the payload selected, and pressed autoconfigure?
[14:43] <jgrahamc> yes
[14:44] <jgrahamc> but ill hit it again jus to be sure
[14:44] <jcoxon> haha i can get it down here
[14:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and the online option is checked in the DL Client menu?
[14:44] <jgrahamc> yep
[14:44] <jgrahamc> server is http://robertharrison.org/listen/
[14:44] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what's your callsign?
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[14:45] <jgrahamc> m6anj
[14:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, you're listed in the raw data
[14:45] <jgrahamc> cool
[14:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> refresh the tracker page
[14:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I noticed it doing odd things yesterday
[14:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> leaving out callsigns
[14:46] <Upu_2E0UPU> not use to so many :)
[14:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> that's certainly a busy map!
[14:46] <jcoxon> we should make the timeout for stations quicker
[14:46] <jcoxon> as a number of those stations are from yesterday
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> most of those are current
[14:47] <jcoxon> really good signal here
[14:47] <jcoxon> and i'm outside the green circle
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah clear as a bell here
[14:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> was clear before the blue circle too
[14:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yesterdays flight, habe1, was a lovely strong signal here
[14:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> but then it was a bit closer to me than usual
[14:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> going for a record today with the slow accent? Burst prediciton is nearly 37k
[14:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol yeah
[14:49] <jcoxon> yeah i uppped the burst alt
[14:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> better not, I don't think RJH would appreciate his record broken three times in two weeks :)
[14:50] <RocketBoy> looking good on the ascent rate - 3.5 on the nose
[14:50] <jgrahamc> im getting the signal via a bounce off a gasometer
[14:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> he's fine about it spoke to him when Weasel did it and his comment was "about bloody time"
[14:50] <jcoxon> its true
[14:50] <jcoxon> we actually have suprisingly low altitudes
[14:50] <jgrahamc> Wonder why my strings arent on th map
[14:50] <Upu_2E0UPU> jgrahamc they don't all appear
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Burst prediction with low fills is unreliable
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> It may even float
[14:51] <jgrahamc> ah
[14:51] <jgrahamc> thx
[14:51] <Upu_2E0UPU> M6ANJ : XABEN,394,14:48:55,52.40829,0.12433,14603,0.0,0.0,52.45481;0.19117*6F you're in the raw data
[14:51] <RocketBoy> up by peterbourgh atm
[14:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> hey RocketBoy is this a cut away or just going for it and what sized balloon ?
[14:52] <jgrahamc> Yep. Very good signal here.
[14:52] <RocketBoy> burst and a 2000g balloon
[14:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> 7 people with strong signals
[14:52] <jgrahamc> Going to sign off as have other fish to fry
[14:52] <Upu_2E0UPU> take care
[14:53] <eroomde> yo
[14:53] <eroomde> just got back from the launch with steve
[14:53] <RocketBoy> Im headding up to the A47 and heading West shortly
[14:53] <eroomde> hi RocketBoy can hear it
[14:54] <RocketBoy> cool
[14:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> contact
[14:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> got a trace on the waterfall
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> fsphil_2I0VIM: You seem to get it a teeeeeny bit over the horizon most times.
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> What antenna do you have?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you're seeing grazing refractions off the sea
[14:55] <fsphil_2I0VIM> SpeedEvil, never thought of the sea having an effect -- there's also lough neagh -- it's a pretty big lake not far from here
[14:56] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's a diamond 70cm/2m dual band colinear
[14:56] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm 80m asl so that might have an effect too -- I'm guessing the blue lines assumes I'm at sea level
[14:56] <jcoxon> dial settings?
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[14:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nowhere near decodable - just a trace so far
[14:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.074 for me
[14:57] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.074.07here
[14:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the shift is a bit narrower than the config too
[14:58] <mattltm> dl is still crashing on me :(
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> euu
[14:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> which version? my last github version or one of the proper releases?
[14:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah shift is a little off
[14:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> still decoding though
[14:59] <mattltm> 3.20.34
[15:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the last flight to head north didn't decode for me .. this should be interesting
[15:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> when's it crashing mattltm?
[15:01] <mattltm> it decodes about 3 strings then it crashes
[15:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> odd
[15:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> are the strings being uploaded ok?
[15:03] <mattltm> When I get one yes.
[15:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the shift is about 370hz
[15:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> best I can suggest for now is to exit it, delete it's config settings in your home folder, and try again
[15:04] <mattltm> I got that string...
[15:04] <mattltm> Time, lat,long and alt box not filled in though
[15:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm just starting to get numbers and the odd comma
[15:05] <eroomde> chaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhv-SZgrpg
[15:05] <eroomde> xaben launch vid
[15:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> those won't fill in if the autoconfigure button isn't pressed
[15:05] <RocketBoy> ok - heading further north and west bbl
[15:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> its away! :)
[15:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> some angry looking clouds there eroomde
[15:07] <eroomde> heavy
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> you sound very happy
[15:07] <eroomde> but the air was very still and humid
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> ... tooo happy
[15:07] <eroomde> but calm
[15:07] <eroomde> v gentle launch
[15:07] <eroomde> sorry Laurenceb_
[15:07] <mattltm> Is the tracker broken?
[15:07] <eroomde> i'll sound grumpier next time
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> XD
[15:08] <mattltm> Im uploading strings but the tracker is not showing them
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> it doesn't show everyones
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[15:08] <Laurenceb_> checksum?
[15:08] <mattltm> I used ti :(
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> nvm
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> not sure then
[15:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> mattltm, you're in the raw data list fine
[15:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> but yea it's started not showing everyone's callsign
[15:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> maybe too many ?
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[15:09] <fsphil_2I0VIM> possibly
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> why is the pedicted burst time jumping about so much?
[15:09] <mattltm> Yup. Im now using V3.20.29
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> doesnt it use rolling average for ascent rate?
[15:11] <eroomde> fir iirc
[15:11] <eroomde> dunno how many taps
[15:12] <mattltm> Ohh, camera off :)
[15:12] <eroomde> there's no camera anyway
[15:12] <eroomde> i think
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[15:14] <mixio> hi haxes
[15:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal strength hasn't changed here -- I wonder if there's something in the way
[15:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah the peak district
[15:16] <mattltm> That would do it!
[15:17] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah thats what gets me too :)
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[15:19] <mixio> I read on a website about habs. its saying tracking the probe
[15:19] <mixio> what is probe?
[15:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, now we're getting somewhere -- starting to get the callsign
[15:20] <mixio> in greek probe give something stupid.
[15:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brb
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[15:29] <Laurenceb_> better not land in rutland
[15:30] <eroomde> mixio: probe = payload
[15:31] <eroomde> a probe is litterally a remote tool that you use to get data about something
[15:31] <eroomde> but was often applied to exploration sattelites, like voyager
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[15:31] <eroomde> and then more generally to exploratory vehicles
[15:31] <eroomde> and high altitude balloon experiments, for the same reason
[15:33] <DanielRichman> very light on features, but working: http://habitat.habhub.org/testing-web/demo.html
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[15:42] <mattltm> Its a bit odd that the tracker is not showing alllistners.
[15:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[15:42] <mattltm> *all listners
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[15:44] <mattltm> Very odd. It's like its cycling through them athough sometimes it does show 2
[15:44] <RocketBoy> yo chaps - what altitude does the tracker assume for burst?
[15:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> 36802m
[15:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> Predicted Burst
[15:44] <Upu_2E0UPU> 52.4841, -0.471238, 36802 m at 15:42 UTC
[15:44] <RocketBoy> cool - ta
[15:46] <RocketBoy> just heading for the rutland water turn off on the A47
[15:46] <RocketBoy> (A6003)
[15:46] <RocketBoy> bbl
[15:47] <Upu_2E0UPU> RocketBoy it looks like prediction is alittle off
[15:47] <jcoxon> mattltm, the reason is that the strings are quick for xaben, doesn't have time to show all the listeners befor ethe next string
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[15:48] <jcoxon> dial freq anyone?
[15:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> 434.074.07
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> somewhere near rutland water
[15:53] <Laurenceb_> its looking like
[15:53] <mattltm> jcoxon: is there a reason that the tracker is not showing all listners?
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[15:55] <Upu_2E0UPU> mattltm : 16:47] <jcoxon> mattltm, the reason is that the strings are quick for xaben, doesn't have time to show all the listeners befor ethe next string
[15:56] <mattltm> Ah, missed that. Ta :)
[15:58] Action: jcoxon is playing with globaltuners
[15:58] <jcoxon> isle of sheppey gets good reception
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh don't bother
[15:58] <jcoxon> if someone wants to add another listener
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> gave up on that last week
[15:58] Nick change: eroomde -> globaltuners
[15:58] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[15:58] Action: globaltuners is issuing a restraining order
[15:58] Nick change: globaltuners -> eroomde
[15:58] <NigeyS> lol
[15:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> woo, just back - getting strings
[15:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> mine and fsphil's version is much better
[15:59] <jcoxon> haha
[15:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brb again, gonna eat some grub :)
[16:00] <G3VZV> has just got back into the shack and finds it working without him:) nice signals
[16:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> you got one fsphil :)
[16:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> whats the record for the most listeners ? :)
[16:01] <fsphil_2I0VIM> nice signal here - shift is 400hz exactly
[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> this one I think Upu_2E0UPU :)
[16:02] <fsphil_2I0VIM> brb
[16:04] Action: jcoxon is 192.9km from the payload
[16:04] <RocketBoy> im in oakham at the mo
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - neat - already 32
[16:06] <mattltm> Has the shift got a little bigger?
[16:07] <NigeyS> 32.7km .. nicey
[16:07] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: XABEN at 32km altitude currently #arhab #ukhas http://t.co/AhXVdVj [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/87552989816029184]
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> what - 7th highest?
[16:07] <eroomde> oakham seems a safe bet RocketBoy
[16:07] <RocketBoy> my dl-fldigi isn't showing up on the tracker (was earlier) - and i have done a re-start - any suggestions?
[16:07] <eroomde> thought... very much flirting with wetness
[16:07] <RocketBoy> lots of green stings
[16:07] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, is it 'online'
[16:07] <RocketBoy> yep
[16:08] <RocketBoy> online is ticked
[16:08] <jcoxon> oh its coming through
[16:08] <jcoxon> in the raw data
[16:08] <jcoxon> some reason spacenear.us isn't showing all the receivers
[16:08] <RocketBoy> oh
[16:08] <jcoxon> i suspect due to lag between the servers
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[16:08] <jcoxon> and so the next string arrives by the time it receives a list of receivers
[16:08] <RocketBoy> ah - ok
[16:09] <RocketBoy> ah - i c
[16:09] <RocketBoy> 3g
[16:09] <jcoxon> currently you've got 7 strong receivers
[16:09] <NigeyS> 33.378 :o
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> 6th position!
[16:10] <NigeyS> whats the record ?
[16:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> Nova 19 / Weasel - 36206 m (118785 ft)
[16:10] <NigeyS> oo
[16:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> 15 minutes until Weasel's record goes
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> predicted back to rutland :S
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> lots of bursts around 33100 or so
[16:12] <NigeyS> ascent rate has slowed a bit
[16:12] <RocketBoy> looks like its slowing down
[16:12] <eroomde> i think it will float
[16:12] <eroomde> i reckon
[16:12] <RocketBoy> :-(
[16:12] <jcoxon> looking at robs server he is running a lot of processes grabbing wind data
[16:12] <eroomde> if it doesn, everyone on this cahhnel owes me £2.50
[16:12] <eroomde> this is the new rule
[16:12] <NigeyS> lol
[16:12] <jcoxon> wonder if thats whats slowing things down
[16:12] <jcoxon> eroomde, 2.50 what?
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> superpressure effect seems to be kicking in
[16:12] <NigeyS> if it makes 35km ill eat the whip
[16:12] <jcoxon> units boy!
[16:13] <Laurenceb_> thats good
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[16:13] <Laurenceb_> as it means its not overfilled
[16:13] <NigeyS> sp @ 34km? :|
[16:14] <kristianpaul> Laurenceb_: are you aware of a patch for complex processing in the SoftGNSS code from akos/borre ?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> I suppose the lighter the payload, the higher it could get before burst
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[16:14] <Laurenceb_> kristianpaul: no sorry
[16:14] <eroomde> kristianpaul: there's currently a live flight
[16:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> jcoxon kill 'em off :)
[16:14] <jcoxon> can't
[16:14] <RocketBoy> just not rutland water or Leicester please
[16:14] <eroomde> you might get better responses doing tech chat as a personal message
[16:14] <kristianpaul> eroomde: live flight? hos is that
[16:14] <kristianpaul> s/hos/how
[16:15] <eroomde> kristianpaul: RocketBoy has launched a balloon
[16:15] <eroomde> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[16:15] <kristianpaul> :o
[16:15] <eroomde> he's going for the amateur altitude record
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: Does it have cameras?
[16:15] <eroomde> here is the launch video kristianpaul http://www.youtube.com/user/edmoore#p/a/u/0/TVhv-SZgrpg
[16:15] <RocketBoy> cameras are so last year
[16:15] <NigeyS> hehe
[16:16] <G3VZV> its geeting warmer and the frequency is going back up - just like yesterday aroiund this altitude
[16:16] <kristianpaul> oh, cool
[16:16] <NigeyS> yup
[16:16] <kristianpaul> so there is live telemtry, wow
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it gets lots warmer at high altitude
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> even neglecting the sun
[16:16] <eroomde> kristianpaul: yep
[16:17] <eroomde> and various of us are receiving the telemetry with our amateur radio receivers
[16:17] <eroomde> which is what is supplying the webpage map
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> ok ascent really levelling off now
[16:17] <NigeyS> 1.8 / 1.9
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Or not, as the case may be :)
[16:17] <RocketBoy> :-(
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> definitely looks like superpressure
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[16:19] <RocketBoy> this 2000 is about 1/2 the fill of the nova19 flight
[16:19] <eroomde> similar ascent rate though
[16:19] <NigeyS> oh its a 2000gm ?
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> we should try at night
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> I think you also need to get the payload a lot lighter.
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> less UV
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> In order to get it to go up more in the face of superpressure
[16:19] <eroomde> we really need to characterise this 35km death zone
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> the more the excess bouyancy, the more it'll rise
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> if you underfill too much you hit superpressure too soon
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> Assuming it's not inflated enough to burst
[16:20] Action: jcoxon always like a floater
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> Superpressure is related to the excess lift though.
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> If you add 100g of extra free lift, then you 'force' the altitude up a bit.
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> looks like we are seeing superpressure now, which is probably good
[16:20] <RocketBoy> its one of the reasons i when for a day when its heading inland
[16:20] <eroomde> if we had a differential pressure senor, this data would be gold
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> heh
[16:20] <eroomde> if we saw the delta increasing, it'd nicely confirm this
[16:21] Action: Laurenceb_ is having massive issues with a pitot tube sensor
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> differential pressure is a pita
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> Dropping a little weight - 100g - at this point would help to confirm
[16:21] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: i have become quite aquinated with pitot susyems while designing them for the parachute testing
[16:21] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, excellent signal down here in Worthing
[16:21] <eroomde> what problems are you havcing?
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> noise
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> inductive noise off the processor leaking into the adc
[16:22] <eroomde> oh. not really a pitot problem then
[16:22] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: cool - the tx must be working fine (atm)
[16:22] <Laurenceb_> probably fixable with acked on decoupling caps in the right places
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> Woo - 35 :)
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[16:22] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb_: metal shielding
[16:22] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: 26pc01smt is the sensor im using
[16:23] <Laurenceb_> that too, but rather cumbersome for a uav
[16:23] <SamSilver_> true
[16:23] <SamSilver_> is the noise in the uhf zone
[16:23] <SamSilver_> ?
[16:23] <Laurenceb_> ~10mhz or so
[16:24] <Laurenceb_> its very broad spectrum
[16:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> Laurenceb, we had problems from a 26pc... sensor picking up RF on 434 MHz.
[16:24] <Laurenceb_> anyway ill stut up due to flight :P
[16:24] <SamSilver_> harmonics of what?
[16:24] <Laurenceb_> intreaging
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> :) 4th!
[16:24] <Laurenceb_> lets talk about this later :P
[16:24] <SamSilver_> k
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[16:25] <SamSilver_> how high can we go???? new record???
[16:26] <RocketBoy> may head to pork pies place in a mo
[16:26] <Upu_2E0UPU> 36206 about 900m left
[16:26] <kristianpaul> oh, you can receive telemetry with a funcube dongle as well, nice
[16:26] <RocketBoy> bbl
[16:26] <jcoxon> its a floating
[16:27] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: they all do
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Congrats on third!
[16:27] <SamSilver_> but what is the logic behing it
[16:27] <SamSilver_> ?
[16:27] <jcoxon> well...
[16:28] <SamSilver_> behind
[16:28] <SamSilver_> yes
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: The balloon is elastic, and expands freely until it reaches the limit.
[16:28] <SamSilver_> tell me a tale James
[16:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:28] <SamSilver_> lol
[16:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> Speeding up again. Temperature is changing quite quickly - freq falling
[16:28] <Laurenceb_> oh noes
[16:28] <SamSilver_> then it gets plastic?
[16:28] <Laurenceb_> float
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: At this limit, the balloon compresses the gas a little - increasing its densitym, and slowing or stopping the rise
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Well - not strictly compresses - but constrains from expanding as it rises.
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Till the densities inside and outside match.
[16:29] <SamSilver_> so the asumption is that the latex becomes like concrete
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> (considering the total density including the payload)
[16:29] <SamSilver_> inflexable
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat
[16:29] <SamSilver_> rigid from temp?
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> From the expansion
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> When it's almost at bursting
[16:30] <SamSilver_> limits of the latex
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Try it with a rubber band
[16:30] <SamSilver_> to true SpeedEvil the best example I have heard
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> you can stretch it linearly up until a given force, when it more-or-less stops stretching, and can take a leetle additional force before it bursts
[16:31] <SamSilver_> an elastic band becoms "rigid" just before it breaks
[16:32] <SamSilver_> I have seen and felt that when playing with elastic bands (fishing)
[16:32] Action: SpeedEvil computes 350m/0.3
[16:32] <junderwood_M0JCU> 35.5 km
[16:32] <junderwood_M0JCU> (give or take 1m(
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[16:35] <SamSilver_> predicted burst 36,980
[16:36] <SamSilver_> 36,994
[16:36] <G3VZV> zero climb
[16:36] <eroomde> now the oscillation
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> 20 miles an hour or so only.
[16:36] <eroomde> i so want an absolute and differential pressure instrumentation suite on this thing
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> So it's got a bit to go before it runs into problems
[16:36] <eroomde> we could answer so many quaestions
[16:36] <SamSilver_> eroomde: you have the gift of a fortune teller
[16:37] <eroomde> just seen it all before
[16:37] <SamSilver_> eroomde: what you need is a suite of instruments
[16:37] <jcoxon> you guys ready for the long haul
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> heh i see its an fir
[16:37] <jcoxon> in theory this could fly for a long long time
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> the -ive ascent is cancelling some of the fir
[16:37] <jcoxon> especially if it makes it to sunset
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> making it think its ascending very fast
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> fir?
[16:38] <mattltm> last 4 strings show decent
[16:38] <SamSilver_> eroomde: how about an elastic measurment of the latex ?
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: practcally impoessible
[16:38] <eroomde> not sure how one non-invasively does it
[16:38] <mattltm> only a litle though
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> SamSilver: Consider it's at -30C and UV
[16:38] <SamSilver_> preasure internaley
[16:38] <mattltm> and now up alittle...
[16:39] <jcoxon> mattltm, it'll oscilate for a bit
[16:39] <SamSilver_> uv will degrade Latex
[16:39] <mattltm> Yup :) Its interesting to see. My first time :)
[16:40] <mattltm> WOW!
[16:40] <kristianpaul> wow prediction can change that way?
[16:40] <SamSilver_> I know
[16:40] <mattltm> Tracker put it in wales for a moment there!
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> blaenau festiniog here we come
[16:40] <SamSilver_> yes
[16:40] <SamSilver_> lol
[16:41] <SamSilver_> I saw
[16:41] <jcoxon> the reason is that the prediction has a set burst point
[16:41] <jcoxon> so at 0.3m/s it'll take a long time to get to the fixed burst altitude
[16:41] <jcoxon> the predictor is relatively useless right now apart from direction of travel
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> if its bursts now it might get wet :S
[16:42] <RocketBoy> i'm in melton mobray atm - gonna head west - eroomde: give me a call if it bursts
[16:42] <mattltm> Just out of interest, has anyone ever seen a payload come down? As in hit the floor?
[16:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> saw one down to about 300 ft
[16:43] <SamSilver_> I have seen video of one or two
[16:43] <RocketBoy> bbl
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> One almost got caught
[16:43] Action: kristianpaul wonder how posible could be to control flying path
[16:44] <mattltm> SpeedEvil: Thats brave!
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> any pork pie to be had?
[16:44] <SamSilver_> a Brazilian outfit got great video of landing
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> http://www.porkpie.co.uk/
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[16:45] <mattltm> SamSilver_: link?
[16:45] <SamSilver_> mattltm: bugger
[16:45] <jcoxon> out of interest which receiver is being displayed on the spacenear.us map?
[16:45] <SamSilver_> give me a week
[16:46] <jcoxon> well not hte map but the box on hte right
[16:46] <junderwood_M0JCU> jcoxon, you're winning most of the time
[16:46] <SamSilver_> high school Brazilian
[16:46] <jcoxon> interesting
[16:46] <jcoxon> just seeing if it varied between people
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> new 2nd place record
[16:47] <SamSilver_> mattltm: help me with the search - portugeuse speaking video -
[16:47] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: Ping
[16:47] <mattltm> jcoxon: Is your RX position acurate on spacenear?
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[16:48] <jcoxon> mattltm, pretty much
[16:48] <jcoxon> i'm down in worthing
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> no
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> arg misred 5 and 6
[16:48] Action: Laurenceb_ fails
[16:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> going up again (rather slowly)
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[16:50] <jcoxon> thats better
[16:50] <jcoxon> more are being displayed now
[16:51] <G3VZV> jcoxon - how did u do that?
[16:51] <jcoxon> i didn't
[16:51] <jcoxon> and now its not working
[16:51] <jcoxon> i'm not sure what its not doing what it normally does
[16:51] <jcoxon> would need natrium42 to tell us
[16:52] <Randomskk> ouch, that's a heck of a long drift prediction
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[16:53] <Randomskk> haha now it's almost into the irish sea
[16:53] <Randomskk> I think the predictor does not cope with this weird floating at altitude behaviour
[16:53] <G3VZV> how long will the batteries hold on for?
[16:53] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: XABEN now floating at 35600m - could be a very long flight! #ukhas #arhab #hamr (434.074MHz USB) http://t.co/AhXVdVj [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/87564680524079104]
[16:56] <SamSilver_> I think someone tied grandmothers pantihoze around the envelope
[16:56] <SamSilver_> panteloonz Super Preuser
[16:57] <griffonbot> @TA2OD: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN now floating at 35600m - could be a very long flight! #ukhas #arhab #hamr (434.074MHz USB) http://t.co/AhXVdVj [http://twitter.com/TA2OD/status/87565530189406208]
[16:57] <Laurenceb_> you can see the inertia gravity waves making it oscillate up down
[16:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> back
[16:57] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, you could break the UK float record instead
[16:57] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ooooh
[16:58] <SamSilver_> fsphil_2I0VIM: my words exactly
[16:58] <SamSilver_> ooooh
[16:58] <SamSilver_> wtf
[16:58] <Laurenceb_> looks like it should miss leicester
[16:58] <SamSilver_> What The Float
[16:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[16:59] <SamSilver_> wtf
[16:59] <jcoxon> sstv would be awesome right now
[16:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> totally
[16:59] <SamSilver_> my septic tank has not this many floats
[16:59] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: nice range
[17:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 448km
[17:00] <jcoxon> 35704m
[17:00] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I left it tracking but when I got back the frequency was about 2khz lower
[17:02] <Upu_2E0UPU> still going ?
[17:02] <SamSilver_> I think the enevelope is made out of "Paoer Machie"
[17:03] <SamSilver_> *paper
[17:03] <SamSilver_> machie
[17:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> hmm
[17:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still up there Upu_2E0UPU
[17:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> something jsut happend
[17:03] <SamSilver_> pssssst!
[17:03] <Upu_2E0UPU> very faint
[17:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's descending?
[17:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> going down slowly
[17:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> very
[17:04] <jcoxon> something definitely happened
[17:04] <griffonbot> @o0ToTOm0o: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN now floating at 35600m - could be a very long flight! #ukhas #arhab #hamr (434.074MHz USB) http://t.co/AhXVdVj [http://twitter.com/o0ToTOm0o/status/87567456876511233]
[17:04] <griffonbot> @supichan: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN now floating at 35600m - could be a very long flight! #ukhas #arhab #hamr (434.074MHz USB) http://t.co/AhXVdVj [http://twitter.com/supichan/status/87567461683179521]
[17:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> going up again
[17:05] <jcoxon> my signal went weird for about 4 strings
[17:05] <Rob_M0DTS> gps variation?
[17:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> mine too jcoxon
[17:06] <G3VZV> looks solid here
[17:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal fine here
[17:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> its ok now
[17:06] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok off to cook
[17:06] <jcoxon> could be batteries
[17:07] <RocketBoy> just near remplestone (or similar)
[17:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> signal's covering virtually the entire british isles
[17:12] <SamSilver_> I think there is a secret society of folk who wrap ther envelopes in duct tape and LOL at us watchers of the "float"
[17:13] Action: Laurenceb_ is just north of derby
[17:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> what happens when the sun goes down ?
[17:13] <Laurenceb_> pity i dont have a receiver setup :/
[17:13] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, difficult one to answer
[17:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> try get a globaltuners one Laurenceb
[17:13] <jcoxon> we've usually floated balloons at night
[17:14] <jcoxon> whether the cooling will make it descend
[17:14] <jcoxon> or it could stay floating
[17:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> are we in unknown territory ?
[17:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> I have to ask why is it floating ?
[17:14] <Upu_2E0UPU> why hasn't it popped ?
[17:14] <jcoxon> its probably super-pressured
[17:14] <jcoxon> due to changes in the properties of the latex
[17:15] <Randomskk> it'l eventually pop when the UV degradation weakens the latex, but...
[17:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the pressure difference between inside and outside not enough to tear the latex?
[17:15] <Randomskk> we definitely need a new predictor :P
[17:15] <Upu_2E0UPU> shift 430 now
[17:15] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: I tell you it is duct tape
[17:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if I'd known we'd get so many great flights this week I'd have had my preamp ready
[17:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> bet soon as I get it done nobody launches :p
[17:16] <jcoxon> i need to move my antenna
[17:16] <jcoxon> i think its gone behind the chimmney stack
[17:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if this beastie does float during the night it will end up flying over me
[17:17] <fsphil_2I0VIM> well, a good bit south of me
[17:19] <G0MJW> What flight is it ?
[17:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> G0MJW, xaben
[17:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> floating at 35.7km
[17:19] <eroomde> it's really floating amazingly
[17:19] <eroomde> fascinating
[17:19] <fsphil_2I0VIM> very
[17:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gound speed seems to have picked up
[17:20] <G0MJW> Good signal, no decoding. forgotten settings.
[17:20] <SamSilver_> is it a hOWEE or a kay?
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[17:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> G0DJA, dl-fldigi in HAB mode?
[17:20] <fsphil_2I0VIM> er
[17:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> G0MJW, dl-fldigi in HAB mode?
[17:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sorry G0DJA :)
[17:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> tab completion doesn't like callsigns
[17:21] <eroomde> SamSilver_: howee
[17:21] <G0DJA> Sorry only found out about baloon via twitter so not set up for FLDIGI
[17:21] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aah
[17:21] <SamSilver_> spelling eroomde
[17:21] <eroomde> G0DJA: not to worry
[17:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> G0DJA, https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads :)
[17:22] <eroomde> do you want a hand setting it up?
[17:22] <G0DJA> I guess it's vertically polarised as not hearing anything on yagi
[17:22] <eroomde> yup
[17:23] <G0MJW> Used to work fine. Must have messed up. Looks like it is in code.
[17:23] <jcoxon> ha it was the chimney stack in the way
[17:23] <G0DJA> I'll nip upstairs and see if can swap antennas and go to the URL
[17:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the settings for this flight is 50 baud, 430hz shift, 7-bit, no parity and 1 stop bit
[17:24] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi_32029-r115_new_version
[17:24] <G0MJW> 7 bits - since when!
[17:24] <G0MJW> Decoding OK now!
[17:24] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the bits is up to the individual doing the flying :)
[17:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> Going up. 35773 #2 @35824 is in danger.
[17:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> No. Going down again :(
[17:25] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and down again
[17:25] <G0MJW> Decoding well on a vertical here. Now If I had the beam up...
[17:26] <kristianpaul> does it take so long in that altitude? ~1 hr now
[17:27] <Laurenceb_> weird altitude glitch
[17:27] <NigeyS> -1.2 to +0.2m odd...
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> predictor stuppod running
[17:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> don't blame it
[17:29] <NigeyS> lol
[17:30] <kristianpaul> is some body tracking this by car right?
[17:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> well RocketBoy has a long night of drivign
[17:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> or sailing at this rate
[17:30] <kristianpaul> he :)
[17:31] <SamSilver_> go RocketBoy
[17:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> could do with cuddykid online
[17:31] <G0MJW> Suddenly faded.
[17:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> yep
[17:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still constant here
[17:31] <RocketBoy> grr
[17:31] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, eek
[17:31] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'd stand down RocketBoy :)
[17:32] <Laurenceb_> where rocketboy?
[17:32] <RocketBoy> im on the road to ashby-de-la-zouch
[17:32] <SamSilver_> RocketBoy: you do have your pasport with you?
[17:32] <G0DJA> OK FLDIGI now installed and set up with my locator etc
[17:32] <junderwood_M0JCU> next stop Wolverhampton
[17:32] <G0DJA> I guess RTTY from the settings then?
[17:33] Action: Laurenceb_ is in kirk langley - north or derby
[17:33] <Laurenceb_> *of
[17:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> fading here
[17:33] <jcoxon> G0DJA, you can auto configure it all
[17:33] <Upu_2E0UPU> no its back
[17:33] <RocketBoy> gonna head to the m6
[17:33] <jcoxon> if you select the payload and press autoconfigure (this is if you are using dl-fldigi)
[17:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> still strong here. And climbing again
[17:34] <jcoxon> junderwood_M0JCU, it'll get 2nd place eventually :-)
[17:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, M54 looks good :)
[17:34] <G0DJA> I'll sign into IRC upstairs now England have lost
[17:34] <RocketBoy> yeah
[17:34] <RocketBoy> bbl
[17:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> jcoxon, not this time. It's slowing again
[17:34] <Upu_2E0UPU> dodgy chinese balloons, don't burst :)
[17:35] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, hehe totex do this as well
[17:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> oh ok :)
[17:35] <jcoxon> Upu_2E0UPU, http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/lib/exe/detail.php/missions:alttime2.png?id=missions%3Aballasthalo
[17:35] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah you but intended it to happen that time ?
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[17:36] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:36] <jcoxon> but its the same concept
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[17:36] <Upu_2E0UPU> yeah
[17:37] <jcoxon> we've been floating for over an hour now
[17:37] <eroomde> it just wont flush
[17:38] <G0MJW> FL Digi has now finally decided to upload. Think I must have messed it up....
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[17:39] <G0DJA> Which flight do I need to select please?
[17:39] <jcoxon> XABEN
[17:40] <jcoxon> G0MJW, yeah your data is reaching the system
[17:40] <G0DJA> OK - Got it now I hope
[17:40] <SamSilver_> XABEN soon to be renamed "Xtreme Floater Supreme"
[17:40] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if any flight needs this many listeners, it's this one
[17:41] <Laurenceb_> lol the names on google maps
[17:41] <G0MJW> I have not been around lately because I don't have a 70cm antenna up. Put up a vertical, seems to be working but lots of interference.
[17:41] <Laurenceb_> there is no such place as hungry bentley
[17:41] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yes, sadly it's a very noisy part of the band
[17:41] <G0DJA> Yeah, well XABEN is at the bottom of the list so didn't see it at 1st
[17:42] <SamSilver_> Laurenceb_: hhmmm maybe starving Telford??
[17:42] <G0DJA> Surprised that I'm not getting anything here though
[17:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> where abouts G0DJA ?
[17:43] <G0DJA> 434.074MHz USB set on dial
[17:43] <G0DJA> Near Chesterfield, Derbyshire
[17:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ah, it's shifted down with temperature
[17:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> try 434.070
[17:43] <G0DJA> OK
[17:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> my dial is actually 434.070.5
[17:43] <G0DJA> Got it - Thanks
[17:44] <G0DJA> Is the camera on a website anywhere?
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[17:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> very healthy signal here now
[17:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> there's no images from this flight
[17:45] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I'm not even sure if it carries a camera?
[17:46] <G0DJA> Keeps saying 'Camera on' and then 'camera off'
[17:46] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I think that's a left-over from a previous flight
[17:46] <NigeyS> yey i can hear it now
[17:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's heading for cuddykid
[17:47] <G0DJA> Is my data going through or are there other settings I need to make
[17:48] <jcoxon> G0DJA, yup
[17:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I see it coming through G0DJA
[17:48] <jcoxon> can see it on the raw page
[17:48] <G0DJA> Thanks
[17:48] <mattltm> This still going? I went out to clear the pond and thought it would have burst by now!
[17:48] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
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[17:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> you can still do that, I suspect it might still be up when you get back :)
[17:50] <eroomde> mattltm: it's floating really very well!
[17:50] <eroomde> fascinating
[17:50] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: XABEN balloon STILL floating at 35km altitude, launch vid: http://t.co/GRmo5JM #ukhas #arhab #hamr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/87579031565901824]
[17:50] <mattltm> Very well!
[17:51] <fsphil_2I0VIM> what if it accidentally does trans-atlantic, backwards :) dan will be peeved
[17:51] <mattltm> lol.
[17:51] <SamSilver_> DAN needs to be here
[17:51] <SamSilver_> lol
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> heading past 1MW tv transmitter at sutton coalfield :P
[17:55] <G0MJW> Just had to retune - heading out of the filter.
[17:55] <SamSilver_> afk
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[17:57] <jcoxon> pushing for 2nd
[17:57] <Rob_M0DTS> Very stable S9 for ~2 hours now here
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[17:58] <mattltm> has spacenear given up on predicting the burst?
[17:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lovely signal here too, but not registering on the S meter
[17:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> #2! 35827
[17:58] <fsphil_2I0VIM> oooh, she's going up
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[17:59] <G0MJW> Oh - Wolverhampton...
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[17:59] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and down a bit
[17:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> 3 strings above the old #2
[17:59] <G3VZV> G0MJW - are you coming to warwick?
[17:59] <G0DJA> I've got to go and put dinner out - will leave RX on and see where it looses signal here
[18:00] <G0DJA> M0DTS - H Rob
[18:01] <G0MJW> G3VZV Yes. Just thinking how to get there. Train or Car.
[18:02] <mattltm> Whats going to go first? the balloon or the bateries?
[18:03] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I've heard of balloons getting stuck in trees, but never the air
[18:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> need a heck of a pole
[18:04] <G0MJW> Faded again here. Which one of those variables is temperature and whichis voltage?
[18:04] <fsphil_2I0VIM> not sure what they mean
[18:04] <jcoxon> this is a stripped down payload
[18:05] <jcoxon> so its only tx'ing position
[18:05] <jcoxon> it was an altitude attempt
[18:05] <G0MJW> Not stripped down enough then!
[18:05] <SamSilver_> 160Km in 2 hours at an altitud egain of 1000
[18:05] <SamSilver_> gain*
[18:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> payload is now under 390km from me
[18:06] <jcoxon> floating is unfortunately the risk - its a tight balance to maximise your altitude
[18:06] <NigeyS> its heading to sheep land phil!
[18:06] <jcoxon> get it a little bit off and it'll float
[18:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> poor thing
[18:06] <NigeyS> lol
[18:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I wonder if the balloon is too heavy to get it any higher
[18:07] <NigeyS> going up again
[18:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> its ok its going over birmingham someone will shoot it down soon
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[18:07] <NigeyS> lol upu
[18:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> lol
[18:07] <G0MJW> New locator square
[18:07] <jgrahamc> Goodness, that things flown far!
[18:08] <jcoxon> evening jgrahamc
[18:08] <fsphil_2I0VIM> runaway balloon
[18:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> yes it missed out the bursting part of the flight
[18:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> jcoxon, didn't you lose one somewhere up the M6?
[18:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:09] <jcoxon> near stoke
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[18:09] <jcoxon> we should get some north scottish hams to listen in
[18:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> it could have company before long
[18:09] Action: SpeedEvil wakes up after a nap.
[18:09] <pericynthion> RocketBoy: very nice
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> That's a lovely straight line.
[18:10] <fsphil_2I0VIM> at this rate you'll need some Dublin stations
[18:10] <jcoxon> its pushing up
[18:10] <NigeyS> indeed
[18:10] <NigeyS> well my whips doing good so im tracking nicely now
[18:10] <jcoxon> NigeyS, didn't you say you'd eat your whip
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> Did anyone notice it's edged up into second place?
[18:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> yep
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:10] <NigeyS> haha yes, but i need it to track the rest of the flight :p
[18:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> They could almost hear it in Spain
[18:11] <NigeyS> 35960 going up quite a bit now
[18:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> someone in europe could get some epic range on this now
[18:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> trying a german global tuner now
[18:11] <G0MJW> It is going to burst and dive Bomb Wolverhampton...
[18:11] <NigeyS> lol
[18:11] <jgrahamc> evening jcoxon
[18:11] <jcoxon> G0MJW, yeah a little worrying!
[18:11] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I wonder if the latex is weakened
[18:12] <Rob_M0DTS> Superb flight, first floater i've seen ;-)
[18:12] <G0MJW> 36K
[18:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> 36km
[18:12] <pericynthion> is this a latex floater?
[18:12] <NigeyS> yey 36007m
[18:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> pericynthion, yea
[18:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think it will last much longer.
[18:12] <jcoxon> pericynthion, not planned
[18:12] <jcoxon> junderwood_M0JCU, agreed
[18:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yea, I suspect burst is imminent
[18:12] <fsphil_2I0VIM> if cuddykid's flight is anything to go by
[18:13] <jcoxon> or not
[18:13] <G0MJW> yes
[18:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> aarrgh.
[18:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> going down again
[18:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yikes
[18:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it's like its doing it in stages
[18:13] <Laurenceb_> latex is yeilding?
[18:13] <fsphil_2I0VIM> or steps
[18:13] <Laurenceb_> the oscillations are atmospheric aiui
[18:13] <Laurenceb_> intetia gravity waves
[18:13] <G0MJW> Hotair over M6
[18:14] <Laurenceb_> actually you may have a point
[18:14] <pericynthion> I don't think localized thermals penetrate the tropopause
[18:15] <Laurenceb_> urban heat island effect might cause wave effects up there tho
[18:15] <pericynthion> yeah, I'll buy that it's "all of birmingham"
[18:15] <fsphil_2I0VIM> or the temperature inside the balloon itself
[18:15] <pericynthion> so how do you get an unplanned floater? accidental slow leak?
[18:16] <fsphil_2I0VIM> a rise in temperature inside weakens the latex a bit, it moves up -- the expansion causes the gas to cool, it drops back down
[18:16] <NigeyS> and its on the rise...again...
[18:16] <G0MJW> How accurate is teh GPS altitude fix?
[18:16] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: XABEN up to 36km still floating - calling amateurs in Wales and Ireland! http://t.co/5gJb3Lk #arhab #ukhas #hamr chat #highaltitude freenode [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/87585608821772288]
[18:16] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: kind of
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> but think whole atmosphere doing that
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[18:17] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunt%E2%80%93V%C3%A4is%C3%A4l%C3%A4_frequency
[18:18] <SamSilver_> Dan wake up .. we on da way over man
[18:18] <pericynthion> G0MJW: should be within 10m unless the satellite geometry is terrible
[18:18] <junderwood_M0JCU> GPS is less accurate in altitude than lat / lon
[18:18] <G0MJW> Looks like Wolverhampton has escaped again.
[18:18] <griffonbot> @davekh: Hearing balloon strong rx'd http://t.co/jENpkPZ #ukhas #hamr [http://twitter.com/davekh/status/87586099714732032]
[18:18] <junderwood_M0JCU> M54 was a good call
[18:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> but I think it may not be long enough
[18:19] <pericynthion> Steve is chasing?
[18:19] <jcoxon> unusual link in that tweet
[18:19] <G0DJA> Still hearing it here
[18:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> he was. But he was lagging way behind
[18:20] <jcoxon> we should have geographical recovery teams
[18:20] <RocketBoy> at actual m6 toll
[18:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> Hmm. You have no choice but to join M6 north from there.
[18:21] <pericynthion> might get some orographic lift over Wales if it makes it that far, though again I'm not sure if that would have an effect so far up
[18:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> You need to go south
[18:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> to M54
[18:21] <SamSilver_> get a boat
[18:22] <NigeyS> helicopter!!
[18:22] Action: NigeyS emails timbobel
[18:22] <pericynthion> A5 is an option if forced north
[18:22] <hibby> is it floating now?
[18:22] <NigeyS> yuhuh
[18:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> jcoxon, what was that url for the tracking guide?
[18:22] <WillDuckworth> hearing well here in Worcester
[18:22] <NigeyS> has been for almost 2 hours now
[18:22] <jcoxon> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[18:22] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ta
[18:23] <hibby> nice
[18:23] <G0MJW> up again
[18:23] <NigeyS> climbing again
[18:23] <Upu_2E0UPU> still tryiing global tuners
[18:24] <SamSilver_> would it still be in sunlight?
[18:24] <jcoxon> nicely clear of wolverhampton
[18:24] <jcoxon> SamSilver_, yes, at least 40mins after ground sunset
[18:24] <SamSilver_> would it still be having uv DEGRADATION?
[18:24] <jcoxon> yes
[18:24] <SamSilver_> OPP\S CAPS
[18:24] <SamSilver_> bugger caps
[18:25] <hibby> i love it how XABEN is already on the wiki and out of date
[18:25] <jcoxon> hibby, that was me
[18:25] <DanielRichman> there are a suprisingly number of listeners. 12 people almost consistently receiving every single string
[18:25] <DanielRichman> *large
[18:25] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, do you know why nearspace is being weird about that?
[18:26] <DanielRichman> I don't. I could have a look
[18:26] <hibby> cuddykid must be upset his height has been beaten already
[18:26] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i was wondering if there was some sort of lag between the servers
[18:27] <DanielRichman> html += optional("Receivers", position.callsign.split(",").join(", "), "")
[18:27] <griffonbot> @Hamradio_Ticker: RT @jamescoxon: XABEN up to 36km still floating - calling amateurs in Wales and Ireland! http://t.co/5gJb3Lk #arhab #ukhas #hamr chat& [http://twitter.com/Hamradio_Ticker/status/87588221831233536]
[18:27] <griffonbot> @Hamradio_Ticker: RT @davekh: Hearing balloon strong rx'd http://t.co/jENpkPZ #ukhas #hamr [http://twitter.com/Hamradio_Ticker/status/87588232518316032]
[18:28] <DanielRichman> data.php shows callsign: "string" only has one listener each time.
[18:28] <jcoxon> yeah i think they get passed individually
[18:28] <hibby> what frequency is it on
[18:28] <fsphil_2I0VIM> there is occasionally two or more appearing
[18:28] <jcoxon> and they join up
[18:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434071.34 dial
[18:29] <fsphil_2I0VIM> 434.071.5
[18:29] <RocketBoy> on a449 to m54
[18:29] <Laurenceb_> 2 hours float
[18:30] <cuddykid> hi all
[18:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> sweeet
[18:30] <cuddykid> hibby: yes!
[18:30] <hibby> lol
[18:30] <G0MJW> What is the record?
[18:30] <cuddykid> will check out tracker now
[18:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> cuddykid :)
[18:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> its over your head
[18:30] <cuddykid> hi Upu, thanks for update
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> How long does it need to float to hit fsphil_2I0VIM on the way down?
[18:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> almost literally
[18:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> G0MJW, 36206
[18:30] <cuddykid> wow, quite near
[18:30] <Upu_2E0UPU> nps get your radio on
[18:30] <fsphil_2I0VIM> SpeedEvil, about 10 hours :)
[18:31] <fsphil_2I0VIM> and a change of direction
[18:31] <G0MJW> float record....
[18:31] <cuddykid> was this intentional?
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: not really.
[18:31] <cuddykid> ooo
[18:31] <SamSilver_> there is the leak before the pop
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> It was known to be a risk
[18:31] <cuddykid> It looks to be a late night for someone!
[18:31] <cuddykid> ahh
[18:32] <hibby> pretty cool risk, overall
[18:32] <cuddykid> takes a good 3 hrs or so from mine to get to cam
[18:32] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I take back what I said earlier about imminent burst
[18:32] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: do you have the source of listen.php lying around and/or access to rjh's server?
[18:32] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i do
[18:32] <jcoxon> wanna login as me?
[18:32] <hibby> can be pencilled in as a floating record too ;)
[18:32] <cuddykid> it should be bursting soon - unless there is a large leak
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[18:32] <junderwood_M0JCU> cuddykid, don't bet on it
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: based on what?
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> It's sunset in not _too_ long.
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> And the sun will already be weakening
[18:33] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: OK. Shall I PM you my key?
[18:33] <fsphil_2I0VIM> won't weaken too much at that altitude
[18:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> no more than 2 hours to sunset
[18:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> at ground level ...
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> Tracker says it can go steady-state for about another 3 hours and land on the welsh coast
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[18:34] <fsphil_2I0VIM> actually I take that back too -- the angle of the sun has a big effect on mars surface temperatures, and the pressure is about the same
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> Then it needs to go for another 3 hours to be safely down in ireland
[18:34] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil, alt, but then I suppose if theres a hole, it won't be bursting soon
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: why do you think there is a hole?
[18:35] <cuddykid> I thought someone said there was a leak?
[18:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> fsphil_2I0VIM, a low sun affects the temperature on the surface of Mars because of the aspect ratio - coming in low.
[18:35] <cuddykid> I mean hole/leak
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[18:35] <NSS-WB9SBD> What kind of balloon is it?
[18:35] <Laurenceb_> ironbridge gorge
[18:35] <Laurenceb_> its like a tour of the uk XD
[18:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> the balloon is spherical so always sees the whole thing
[18:35] <fsphil_2I0VIM> aaah right, flat surface
[18:35] <fsphil_2I0VIM> right, I take back taking back that first statement
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> So, it can't float for more than three but less than six, or more than 10 hours or so. Ideally.
[18:36] <G0MJW> Burst>?
[18:36] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I will land at some point in the future
[18:37] <fsphil_2I0VIM> no
[18:37] <jcoxon> pushinh up
[18:37] <cuddykid> this is where you need a sniper to take it out!!
[18:37] <G0MJW> Sudden chance infrequency
[18:37] <cuddykid> with telescopic scope lol
[18:37] <fsphil_2I0VIM> stable here
[18:37] <jcoxon> stable here
[18:37] <NSS-WB9SBD> What kind of envelope is it?
[18:37] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, latex 2000g balloon
[18:38] <jcoxon> Hwoyee rather than Totex (chinese make)
[18:38] <cuddykid> I think the Hwoyees are excellent
[18:38] <NSS-WB9SBD> Interesting a hour of vlevel float.
[18:38] <hibby> very stable float at a really high altitude too
[18:38] <Laurenceb_> is the raw data avaliable?
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=6e1618dd48a0d06ec16a0b558c2f4f52098312d3 I think this may be a lie
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> - altitude
[18:39] <cuddykid> lol SpeedEvil
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> (the wierd dog-leg that is)
[18:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> frequency is dropping
[18:39] <fsphil_2I0VIM> batteries?
[18:39] <jcoxon> could be, that would be sad
[18:39] <cuddykid> It looks to be off to Canada!]
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> It's got a few hours before we need to worry. :)
[18:40] <NSS-WB9SBD> 35K in meters is in Feet? I don't have a calculator handy
[18:41] <Laurenceb_> lol coalbrookdale power station cooling towers
[18:41] <Laurenceb_> something odd going on there XD
[18:41] <Upu_2E0UPU> 114829.1feet
[18:42] <Laurenceb_> -look at western tower
[18:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> frequency still dropping, very slowly
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[18:42] <NSS-WB9SBD> really? 114K feet seems kinda low for a 2000 balloon and only 300 payload.
[18:42] <fsphil_2I0VIM> hopefully just a temperature effect -- either in my radio or the payload
[18:42] Action: davekh G0CER
[18:42] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, hence the float - we think its super-pressured
[18:42] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: The only thing I can see that will add a second 'receiver' callsign is in the javascript, if it gets a point twice from the server it will combine the callsigns
[18:42] <Upu_2E0UPU> suspect the payload wasn't designed with floating in mind, no heaters
[18:42] <DanielRichman> but I think spacenear.us (no longer?) keeps duplicate points with different callsigns
[18:43] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i'm not sure
[18:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it does sometimes
[18:43] <jcoxon> sort of need natrium42
[18:43] <hibby> it's on the way to wales - hope the passport data is up to scratch
[18:43] <Upu_2E0UPU> where is the guy from Netherlands
[18:43] <DanielRichman> maybe it raceconditions sometimes to insert two points
[18:43] <fsphil_2I0VIM> gotta watch them welsh border police :)
[18:43] <davekh> its passed me in North Shropshire IO82RV (G0CER)
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: Does it ever get two points - I only saw alternating
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Oh - yes, it does.
[18:44] <hibby> im pretty sure I saw multiple points earlier
[18:44] <jcoxon> oh it definitely does
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Found one or two
[18:44] <jcoxon> did it yesterday
[18:44] <hibby> and all the SUNSET launches has multiple receivers
[18:45] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: I suppose, a camera failure is not as bad as possibly not being able to get payload back like the current flight!
[18:45] <jcoxon> i wonder if its the quick turnover of strings
[18:45] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil: one sec
[18:45] <RocketBoy> im almost at the end of the m54 - gonna give up shortly
[18:45] <hibby> RocketBoy: you're right behind it
[18:46] <NSS-WB9SBD> ya got about 2 hours till sundown, then it will be interesting to see what happens.
[18:46] <WillDuckworth> fsphil may have to pick up ;)
[18:46] <RocketBoy> yeah
[18:46] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: right by it - though will be a long drive back
[18:46] <davekh> looks like you might have to take the A49 south
[18:46] <RocketBoy> but runing out of road
[18:46] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/private/a2fspevhtpckmbrymlq [ SpeedEvil, jcoxon ]
[18:46] <jcoxon> NSS-WB9SBD, yeah very interesting
[18:46] <DanielRichman> they definitely get there.
[18:46] <G0MJW> I think they have roads in Wales
[18:47] <davekh> M54 >> A5 >> left shrewsbury bypass
[18:47] <WillDuckworth> cuddykid - are you getting good signal?
[18:47] <hibby> G0MJW: it's touch and go
[18:47] <jcoxon> so its spacenear.us just being weird
[18:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> frequency glitch
[18:47] <jcoxon> burst?
[18:47] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: not listening as only just got back, may try and set listener up now
[18:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yes
[18:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> she's coming down RocketBoy
[18:47] <G0MJW> Dropping fast
[18:47] <cuddykid> finally!
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:47] <RocketBoy> yea
[18:47] <fsphil_2I0VIM> it didn't like the idea of wales ;)
[18:47] <cuddykid> look perfectly placed RocketBoy
[18:47] <hibby> G0MJW: that's not fast yet
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Congrats RocketBoy!
[18:48] <hibby> :p
[18:48] <cuddykid> fsphil_2IOVIM: don't blame it
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> That's a big chute
[18:48] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: I reckon I could add something to make spacenear.us keep the callsigns, but I'm reluctant to edit anything in fear of breaking it during a flight.
[18:48] <hibby> congrats RocketBoy... second highest and second longest float ;)
[18:48] <kristianpaul> :-)
[18:48] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i'd leave it be
[18:49] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the live prediction hasn't come back -- was it turned off?
[18:49] <SamSilver_> POP!!!! @ last!! Houston we are on our way down!! watch out below! a floater comming down quick - quick shuuuuuu
[18:49] <kristianpaul> bien echo RocketBoy :-)
[18:49] <Upu_2E0UPU> go catch it cuddykid
[18:50] <jcoxon> fsphil_2I0VIM, i'm tring to get it back online
[18:50] <fsphil_2I0VIM> ahh, thought maybe it got stuck doing a floating prediction that never landed :)
[18:50] <cuddykid> Upu: think it will head the wrong way - RocketBoy is far close currently by the looks of it
[18:51] <Laurenceb_> big chute
[18:51] <Laurenceb_> coming down very slowly for the altitude
[18:51] <hibby> it's gonna take ages to get down
[18:51] <G3VZV> G0MJW - c u tomorrow then..I am driving v early - got loads of "stuff" - AMSAT have a small stand in the gallery
[18:51] <hibby> equally, it'll give you a really nice graph out ;)
[18:51] <jcoxon> migh have balloon attached
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[18:52] <G0MJW> Signal getting much stronger
[18:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> still nice here
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[18:53] <fsphil_2I0VIM> the smooth descent shows on the waterfall
[18:54] <fsphil_2I0VIM> normally it's very wavy
[18:54] <jcoxon> can' t seem to get the predictor to work again
[18:55] <SamSilver_> afk
[18:55] <cuddykid> can hear it indoors with my whip here!!
[18:56] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: Picking up indoors with the whip antenna here
[18:56] <RocketBoy> wheres it comming down - lost the tracker process
[18:57] <cuddykid> looks to be east of Shrewsbury Rocketboy
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b7bfb3a955e67a8d0106086862fa01feb34eac41
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> About between shrewsbury and stoke on trent
[18:57] <cuddykid> head along A5 then up A49 would be my shout
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> If you believe the predictor
[18:57] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, roughtly market drayton
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:58] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:58] <cuddykid> especially with the slow descent
[18:58] <RocketBoy> ok - gonna belt on to there
[18:59] <hibby> it's turning
[18:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> A5
[18:59] <hibby> must be hitting the jet stream level
[18:59] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'd hold the A5
[19:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> thats coming down quick
[19:00] <cuddykid> hold in Telford I would
[19:00] <G3VZV> its getting warmer and drifting HF
[19:00] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok maths time
[19:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> cuddykid, they always do come down quick until they find some atmosphere
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> It is going a bit fast
[19:00] <G3VZV> the AFC is just holding in there
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[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> junderwood_M0JCU: But it started out at ~35m/s only at 35km, and it's only a bit less than halved, but the air pressure is about 30*
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy mattltm NigeyS fsphil_2I0VIM Upu_2E0UPU SpeedEvil mixio
[19:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> lol
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if soething happened to the chute.
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:01] <Upu_2E0UPU> hi all usually does it :)
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:01] <pericynthion> now I feel left out
[19:01] <cuddykid> haha :)
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi pericynthion cuddykid
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> what is XABEN for a balloon?
[19:02] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander!
[19:02] <hibby> hola Lunar_Lander
[19:02] <cuddykid> 2000G I believe
[19:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> SpeedEvil, density matters - not pressure.
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> junderwood_M0JCU: Sure - density is to within ~20% of pressure though
[19:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> And parachutes really don't like working at that mass ratio
[19:02] <pericynthion> compressibility effects
[19:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> pericynthion, no
[19:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> not below Mach 0.5
[19:03] <G0MJW> Thats what I say to students
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> But 18m/s is not normal at 10k
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> m
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> a ZP then?
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi hibby
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: I'd be heading back to south of shrewsbury
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> southeast
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> ok I reckond just north of the A5 near Upton Magna
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> smethcote?
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> further north
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Around there anyway
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> its tracking at 0.68km a min
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> 9 mins left
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> It's not getting near market dreyton
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> at current decent rte
[19:04] <G0DJA> Still hearing the UK XABEN here
[19:04] <Upu_2E0UPU> 6 km north of where it is now
[19:05] <hibby> slowing now.
[19:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> OK 17.1 m/s at 9km is about 10 m/s at 0km.
[19:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> It is coming down rather quick
[19:05] <RocketBoy> im on the a54 just at the A49 junction
[19:05] <fsphil_2I0VIM> fading fast here now
[19:05] <RocketBoy> its heading toward me more or less
[19:05] <Laurenceb_> odd how descent rate isnt decreasing much
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=8dba5ede90f7a6d1014fe45781f47495008f206a says the predictor
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Shredded balloon wrapped round the chute?
[19:06] <fsphil_2I0VIM> yep, that's it for me
[19:06] <hibby> reckon the balloon stuck on then, eh?
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> that is no ZP?
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: no
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> latex
[19:06] <G0DJA> Signal has been drifting HF so I guess it's warming up again as it comes down?
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> how come it floated?
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: superpressure
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> intended?
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Not really.
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:07] <Upu_2E0UPU> 0.64km/min
[19:07] <fsphil_2I0VIM> I wonder if it travelled further than hadie
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> I suspect it's not going to ake it that much past the A5
[19:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> 5.5km more
[19:08] Nick change: fsphil_2I0VIM -> fsphil
[19:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> Rodington
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> withington way
[19:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> No trees this time
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[19:08] <G0DJA> I have "RX Capture" set to on - anyone tell me where the default save file is to save having to 'hunt the file' please?
[19:08] <Upu_2E0UPU> More towards Longdon-upon tern
[19:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> G0DJA, in your profile. Which version of Windoze?
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> It's really not slowing down
[19:09] <G0DJA> XP
[19:09] <fsphil> eek
[19:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> docs and settings\app data from memory
[19:09] <G0MJW> pleased to still hear it at 4000m - gives me an idea how tall a tower I need.
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[19:10] <mattltm> Thats goit to make a mess unless it slows down!
[19:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> G0DJA, C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\dl-fldigi.files
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> 4 min or so
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c87f99bf42c7afff52dbf7b227b419bb558ce4b4
[19:10] <Upu_2E0UPU> 31mph
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid did you think that you would be pushed from 2nd to 3rd place in just one day?
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Not quite aking the a5 says predictor
[19:11] <G0MJW> losing it....
[19:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> lost it on FCD
[19:11] <davekh> going to be rather upopular if it reaches RAF Shawbury or Tern Hill!
[19:11] <G0DJA> Thanks for inf JCU
[19:11] <Upu_2E0UPU> Withington my final guess before I loose it
[19:11] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: nope!!
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> me neither
[19:12] <cuddykid> oh well.. a great flight by RocketBoy!
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> hi god
[19:12] Action: pericynthion contends that an air force station is one of the better places to land
[19:12] <Upu_2E0UPU> I'm out
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> or whould i say G0D
[19:12] <davekh> im @Tern Hill Ive still got it
[19:13] <G0DJA> I'll get my daughters partner to phone his old bosses and explain :-)
[19:13] <jcoxon> i've learnt its best to avoid important places :)
[19:13] <G0MJW> Gone.... just under 2000, at 152km
[19:13] <G0DJA> Just lost signal here
[19:13] <jcoxon> bit close to a5
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> :) Congrats whoever got the 1450 datapoint
[19:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> gone here
[19:13] <Upu_2E0UPU> Go to the A5!
[19:13] <davekh> fading
[19:14] <jcoxon> thats RocketBoy
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> Oh - he's tracking locally?
[19:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> my last was at 1677. Not bad for over 100 miles
[19:14] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[19:14] <fsphil> trees!
[19:14] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> Trees break falls!
[19:14] <fsphil> on the plus side, they'd break the fall
[19:15] <fsphil> big metal roof!
[19:15] <junderwood> A5 or the river?
[19:15] <fsphil> house!
[19:15] <mattltm> dtill going 22mph!
[19:15] <Upu> damn thats going to be close to the road
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Don't forget the railway
[19:15] <fsphil> I've an awful feeling it hit that house
[19:15] <Upu> RocketBoy turn round its going through someones roof
[19:15] <pericynthion> it will be in the farmyard
[19:15] <davekh> its dual carraigeway and fast - not many stopping places.
[19:15] <G0MJW> Caught it yet?
[19:15] <fsphil> no, tree
[19:15] <fsphil> damn
[19:15] <Upu> HAHA
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[19:16] <mattltm> LOL
[19:16] Action: fsphil runs away and hides in the attic
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> :/
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - soft landing.
[19:16] <Laurenceb_> how the hell
[19:16] <kristianpaul> after all :-)
[19:16] <WillDuckworth> hell of a dog leg at the end eh
[19:16] <pericynthion> might not be real
[19:16] <Laurenceb_> that must be on the ground
[19:16] <junderwood> Another magnetic tree
[19:16] <G0DJA> That was fun - is there a URL to get news of where/when next flight might be on?
[19:16] <Laurenceb_> yet received in bicester ?!
[19:16] <pericynthion> if it's in trees the sat coverage is poor and the position might be distorted
[19:16] <fsphil> oh it just fell
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[19:16] <fsphil> 66m
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[19:17] <junderwood> Laurenceb, ??
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Still intact - awesoe.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> It looks kinda like it's on top of a garage.
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> it's on a farm
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[19:17] <fsphil> yep
[19:17] <Hiena> Did it bounce?
[19:17] <fsphil> still transmitting
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> junderwood: packet from 54m received in bicester
[19:17] <fsphil> amazing
[19:17] <RocketBoy> ha - i canstill hear it on the whip - tree?
[19:17] <junderwood> not me!
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> That or garage roof
[19:18] <junderwood> My last one was at 1677m
[19:18] <fsphil> My guess is the tree
[19:18] <Upu> Access the farm is from the B4394
[19:18] <junderwood> And I don't think anyone else is in Bicester
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> It's about 10 from some cars
[19:18] <G0MJW> My guess - electricity pylon
[19:18] <junderwood> tracker is playing games tonight
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> 10mm
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Next to some trees.
[19:18] <junderwood> I guess the cars may have moved since the photo was taken
[19:18] <Upu> lol
[19:18] <jcoxon> junderwood, one hopes
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> hmm odd
[19:19] <junderwood> :)
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[19:19] <SpeedEvil> Maybe the trees moved too.
[19:19] <mixio> hi
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> Hi.
[19:19] <mixio> fsphil: radiometrix?
[19:19] <fsphil> oooh it's a farm
[19:20] <fsphil> mixio, weekend
[19:20] <mixio> ah :)
[19:21] <G0MJW> Or the A5. Very close to the road..
[19:21] <mixio> hiLunar_Lander
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> GPS is very unlikely to be 100 or so off, for several minutes.
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> It's not on the road.
[19:21] <fsphil> it's moved
[19:22] <Laurenceb_> on roof of someones garage
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> 10m off - sure
[19:22] <fsphil> been taken into the house?
[19:22] <G0MJW> Close as in easy to get - not in the middle of nowhere.
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> around the garage and trees
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:23] <davekh> need any help.. a mate of mine is 30mins away?
[19:24] <fsphil> I think RocketBoy is very close now
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[19:26] <jgrahamc_> Missed all the fun over the last 30 minutes. Is anyone nearby?
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy is quite close apparantly.
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> It's been giving out positions on the ground - so there is a good fix
[19:27] <jgrahamc_> Cool.
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> Though the parachute partially failed
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> Hit at ~9m/s
[19:27] <fsphil> i hope it didn't break any tiles on the roof
[19:27] <jgrahamc_> Ah. i thought the descent was quick. Went away for dinner and was expecting to come back and watch the final moments, but already on the ground.
[19:28] <fsphil> another line
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the balloons wrapped around the chute or something
[19:28] <fsphil> still looks like it's indoors
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Unlikely.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> That looks like normal GPS 'spatter'
[19:29] <hibby> if it's still beaconing, then it's reasonably together
[19:29] <jgrahamc_> I'm guesing it's in a tree
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> On the plus side, it's a small tree
[19:31] <g7nbp> Any assistance required - Im only a few mins away from the landing site
[19:31] <G0DJA> I've cut and pasted my decodes as cant find the saved file at all
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[19:31] <Upu> not sure yet g7nbp just waiting on RocketBoy to reporting
[19:32] <Upu> I think he's in the area
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[19:33] <fsphil> ah yes, it's back in the tree
[19:33] <fsphil> just gps noise
[19:34] <g7nbp> will be easy to locate - follow the smell - its a chicken farm ;)
[19:34] <Upu> you have to say that landing would have smashed the antenna so my guess its in the tree
[19:34] <G0DJA> Ah - just found the setting "Capture rx text to external file"...
[19:34] <fsphil> yea
[19:34] <fsphil> ironically I don't think I'd have found my last payload if it hadn't landed in the tree
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody know about dl-fldigi being able to display the received data on Google Earth?
[19:36] <Upu> Lunar_Lander on the tracker page there is a link at the bottom right "track in google earth"
[19:36] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.kml
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> I mean
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> on your computer
[19:37] <G0DJA> I guess it should be possible if you can convert to a kml file
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:37] <Upu> network link it
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> you save the kml - look at the source gpx in it - it's a URL
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> That's the real track
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[19:38] <g7nbp> Another 60m north and it would be in the middle of dual carriageway, lucky its down where it is
[19:38] <G0MJW> It has moved again.
[19:38] <fsphil> out into the field
[19:38] <Upu> recovered ?
[19:38] <fsphil> good sign
[19:38] <Upu> angry cow :)
[19:38] <fsphil> angry chicken :)
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> GPS does bounce around like this
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Could simply be shifted in the tree and can see more sats
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> different sats
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[19:39] <g7nbp> Angry farmer - the local animal rights activists randomly target such places to campaign about....
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> If you look - the landing pattern can be fitted inside a 7m radius circle
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> that's quite typical GPS accuracy
[19:40] <G0MJW> Just as well it did not land on the A5 - could have caused a pile up.
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[19:41] <pericynthion> reall unlikely
[19:41] <pericynthion> there's debris in the roadway all the time, very rarely causes accidents
[19:41] <pericynthion> particularly something this small and insubstantial
[19:41] <jcoxon> pericynthion, best avoid them
[19:41] <pericynthion> of course
[19:42] <pericynthion> but likewise no need to panic IMO
[19:42] Action: fsphil is perfectly calm :)
[19:42] <pericynthion> no packets for 5 mins..
[19:43] <G0MJW> Distraction causes accidents..
[19:43] <g7nbp> about 1K west and you have quite a substantial national grid substation, that would have been a LOT more disrupting
[19:44] <g7nbp> erm... east even
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> it does kind of look like the garage roof
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[19:45] <G0MJW> Yes - trying streetview.
[19:46] <G0MJW> Red house, Garage.
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> what are those yellow things?
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> looks like a nuclear waste dump XD
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> some blue pwr heat exchangers :P
[19:47] <G0MJW> And some Poplar trees
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> *radioactive* poplar trees
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[19:51] <Laurenceb_> ok... theres a parorama from inside the barn
[19:51] <Laurenceb_> wtf
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[19:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/54675381
[19:52] <g7nbp> If the wind had been south rather than north when it changed course at 18:54utc by my maths it would be 33m south of my qth.... being munched on by sheep
[19:52] <Laurenceb_> aha i think they sell irrigation kit
[19:53] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: http://pastie.org/private/lamass6hjvtcdjqo4rtxjg <-- from track.php, the bottom. It seems to discard duplicate points. Maybe it used to have or needs something like this : http://pastie.org/private/aad3sqkkw3g2qvuhuvyrq
[19:54] <DanielRichman> actually I think you have to use a mysql function like concat(); idk
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> On the plus side - trees should not be a problem - http://www.panoramio.com/photo/54674022
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[19:58] <jcoxon> i'll have a chat with natrium42
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> hey jcoxon
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[20:00] <Upu> jcoxon think you peaked a little too soon with Xaben alititude it did 36013
[20:00] <Upu> I'll correct
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:02] <g7nbp> ASL of landing site is about 60m, when I drive past there stanav is normally +/- 20m ALT so payload may not be in a tree
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
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[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> can someone phone Steve?
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone has his number?
[20:05] <Upu> BallastHalo 3 - 1hr 10mins - beaten unintentionally ?
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> I was told that a float was not planned
[20:05] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, Steve's likely at the landing site now
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[20:05] <Upu> right off to watch top gear
[20:05] <G0DJA> Looking at the path it went past 3 10GHz beacon sites from GB3CAM south of GB3LEX over GB3CEM and then came down
[20:05] <fsphil> Does it have to have a stable altitude to be considered a float? :)
[20:05] <Upu> hopefully Steve will recover
[20:05] <Upu> afk
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:06] <fsphil> drat, hadie:2 was up for hours :)
[20:06] <fsphil> but it was ascending
[20:06] <g7nbp> Incidentally - I made several visual observations of balloon glinting thru clouds during descent. It looked.... quick ;) sadly no pix
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil I think that is the SP effect
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> thus the constant altitude
[20:07] <fsphil> indeed
[20:07] <fsphil> you saw it g7nbp? cool!
[20:07] <fsphil> not many descents are witnessed
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> EOSS once saw a payload landing in a storm
[20:07] <g7nbp> yup, tiny pinpoint of light, sun from my qth is ideal angle
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> that was awesome
[20:08] <fsphil> there's a picture of Horus descending towards a field
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[20:08] <fsphil> I can't think of any others
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[20:09] <Laurenceb_> where are you g7nbp?
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[20:09] <g7nbp> SO481984 UK NGR
[20:10] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Lunar_Lander
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[20:10] Nick change: rebel4life -> rebel4life2
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL did you see the awesome flight of XABEN?
[20:11] <g7nbp> about 3K south of the point where it changed direction to the north
[20:11] <Dan-K2VOL> no, been busy this weekend, what did it do?
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> it didn't burst
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> went SP
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> and floated at 36.0 km
[20:12] <Dan-K2VOL> what type of balloon was it
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> 2000 g latex
[20:12] <rebel4life2> hi Lunar_Lander :D
[20:12] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> :D hi rebel4life2
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> rebel4life2, Dan-K2VOL is a good friend from Kentucky
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> and Dan-K2VOL, rebel4life2 is a good friend from Germany
[20:14] <rebel4life2> hello @all
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[20:15] <Dan-K2VOL> cool hi rebel4life2
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[20:15] <Dan-K2VOL> and after everyone has flown, I have finally learned git and got the GPS simulator onto github :-P
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:15] <Dan-K2VOL> https://github.com/whitestarballoon/GLFGPSSim
[20:15] <fsphil> yay
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL> it's pre-programmed to simulate the flight of Spirit of Knoxville IV as sample data
[20:17] <Dan-K2VOL> which isn't terribly useful for testing the prime meridian, but the data is easily changed
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:17] <Dan-K2VOL> let me know if anyone has trouble with the code, I didn't write it, but I can get ahold of the guy who did. It's a little hard to follow
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> you see the balloon was fake
[20:18] <Laurenceb_> it actuall used gps simulator
[20:18] <Dan-K2VOL> lol I've often wondered if there are any fake flights that go on like that
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LleWFZAJs5Q
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> :
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:19] <rebel4life2> Lunar_Lander, http://beejus.tumblr.com/photo/1280/7177533818/1/tumblr_lnqkxf7kFZ1qbp9kt
[20:19] <kristianpaul> any news about XABEN?
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> nice kevin
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> 2 tons coming home
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> who did the balloon with the delayed chute again?
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> which reached mach 0.8
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> someone of CUSF
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[20:27] <RocketBoy> yea - got it back - it was stuck in a tree - now the trip home
[20:27] <fsphil> great news RocketBoy!
[20:27] <RocketBoy> cheers for all the help guys
[20:28] <RocketBoy> gonna go qrt now till i get home
[20:28] <fsphil> definitely the most unusual flight lately
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[20:28] <Laurenceb_> http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/special/2003/yamagami/03.shtml
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[20:31] <g7nbp> Good luck with the next one - g7nbp signing out
[20:31] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> btw Dan-K2VOL
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> did you get the scientific ballooning handbook?
[20:34] <G0DJA> Safe journey home all - Cheers
[20:34] <Dan-K2VOL> the NCAR one from the 1970s?
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> I spoke to you about it in Feb. or so
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:35] <Dan-K2VOL> I've had a PDF of it for a while, did you have a better copy I think?
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[20:35] <Laurenceb_> http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/forefront/2011/tsuda/index.shtml
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> ^interesting as well
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL http://www.xlta.org/library/noaa/
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[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> I actually printed at out and had it bound at Staples
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
[20:37] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
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[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> 960 pages of ballooning :P
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> (you have 480 pgs in both volumes and then two pages on each page)
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[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL> it is big, the math was a little much for me
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[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL do you know this? http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/
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[20:59] <rjmunro> Lunar_Lander: Unfortunately, that page says Last updated: June 20, 2005.
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[21:03] <Dan-K2VOL> gtg all
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[21:25] <Upu> got it back cool :)
[21:25] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:26] <fsphil> indeedy!
[21:26] <Upu> long drive home
[21:27] <Upu> impressive number of recievers today
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon Upu
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> hey earthshine
[21:29] <fsphil> I think it's the best covered launch so far
[21:30] <Upu> yeah
[21:30] <Upu> evening Lunar
[21:30] <jcoxon> we need to fix the issue with the number of receivers being displayed
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> Upu was it recovered?
[21:33] <Upu> Yes it was
[21:33] <Upu> so whats the deal with 36km why can't we get through it
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> bigger balloons
[21:35] <fsphil> lighter balloons
[21:35] <fsphil> ?
[21:35] <Upu> how do the American's do it ?
[21:35] <fsphil> bigger balloons are heavier .. so maybe even with the larger area the weight means it won't go any higher
[21:36] <fsphil> do they usually go much higher?
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> they have Lockheed support
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[21:37] <fsphil> that launch was a properly big ZP balloon
[21:37] <fsphil> I mean do the latex launches go much higher?
[21:38] <Upu> not sure
[21:38] <fsphil> the ZP balloons I think are made of much thinner material
[21:38] <jcoxon> their latexes don't go that much higher
[21:38] <jcoxon> but they've flown so many
[21:39] <fsphil> some of them also fly with H2, though I don't think that gains much
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> H2 gives 400 m more than He
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> roundabout
[21:40] <Upu> so what was the issue today, too slow ascent ?
[21:40] <fsphil> not enough to worry about
[21:41] <fsphil> too little helium for such a big balloon maybe
[21:41] <jcoxon> getting the balance is the hard part
[21:41] <Upu> 2000g ?
[21:41] <jcoxon> to get maximum efficency
[21:41] <jcoxon> to get maximum alt
[21:42] <jcoxon> if you go to far you'll get float
[21:42] <fsphil> which is interesting too -- we could use that for flights, but ones designed to do it
[21:43] <fsphil> thinking back to the idea of the iceland <> uk flight
[21:43] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:43] <fsphil> or a floater from here to cambridge
[21:43] <jcoxon> the hard part is being so high
[21:43] <jcoxon> it doesn't take much for it to reach burst
[21:43] <fsphil> yea
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> To get maximum alt, you want a balloon which is underinflated - with no payload
[21:44] <jcoxon> fsphil, you've got more control if you go for a night time floater
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> The balloon will burst at a given diameter. The overpressure that the balloon can sustain is more or less constant. The 'density excess' this causes is related to the absolute gas pressure in the balloon.
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> If you decrease the payload, the burst diameter remains the same, but the density at burst - even counting the density excess - drops - due to the lower absolute pressure.
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> This lets the balloon + payload equalise at a higher height
[21:48] <Upu> right I'm off night all o7
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> For example - if you inflate it so that it bursts at 500mB pressure altitude and the overpressure is 3mB at that point, then the equlibrium maximum height (at zero vertical velocity) will be of the pressure altitude of 497mB
[21:49] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if he's just confusing himself.
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[21:54] <fsphil> jcoxon, yea - launch at sunset
[21:55] <fsphil> or just before
[21:55] <fsphil> that was for the pinhole though - would a sealed balloon have the same effect
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi earthshine
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[22:42] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
[22:42] <fsphil> pong jcoxon
[22:43] <jcoxon> picoatlas III = 30g (just missing the antenna)
[22:43] <fsphil> is that batteries, gps and all?
[22:43] <jcoxon> yup
[22:43] <rebel4life2> anybody else a hantek dso5202b?
[22:43] <rebel4life2> *owns
[22:45] <fsphil> how'd you get it so light?
[22:46] <fsphil> (btw, just fired up the canon a560 -- water damage to the screen but it seems to work)
[22:46] <jcoxon> fsphil, using an 85mAh lipo
[22:47] <jcoxon> but a solar panel as well
[22:47] Action: SpeedEvil is awaiting his 2Kg of solar cells.
[22:47] <jcoxon> and then some mean ass power saving
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> Hmm - with luck - maybe tomorrow
[22:51] <fsphil> making a solar-powered avr system atm, though for the ocean project
[22:52] <fsphil> (correction - a560 won't take pictures)
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:53] <rebel4life2> why no msp430? low energy ;)
[22:53] <fsphil> you planning another floater, or SP jcoxon?
[22:55] <jcoxon> right now i'm just messing around
[22:59] <fsphil> how long would the little battery run from a full charge?
[22:59] <jcoxon> would need to work that out
[23:00] <fsphil> I'm running a system from an 850mah lipo atm
[23:00] <fsphil> continuous tx, but no gps
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> rebel4life2 what is a hantek dso?
[23:01] <rebel4life2> its a good scope ;)
[23:01] <rebel4life2> you can buy the 60MHz version and unlock it up to 200MHz ;)
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> I have one of those normal breadboards now
[23:01] <rebel4life2> and the development ist interesting
[23:02] <fsphil> breadboard is neat
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> the lines go to 60
[23:02] <rebel4life2> i've got one with hardware revision 1005
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> and the columms A to J
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> Bare solar cells are awesome masswise
[23:02] <rebel4life2> with this revision it is possible to buy a touchscreen addon in the future
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> 6g for 2W
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> and I am thinking
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> is it worth to get such a double breadboard? http://www.lipoly.de/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=165627
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> that is cool rebel4life2!
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[23:03] <rebel4life2> I'm using the breadboard jumper from dealextreme
[23:03] <rebel4life2> there cheap and good
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> the 70 wire pack?
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> I got them too
[23:04] <rebel4life2> hehe
[23:04] <rebel4life2> a few minutes ago i orderd a flashlight
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> I also bought my male-to-male audio wire for the radio there
[23:04] <rebel4life2> cree xp-r5 emitter
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> 2 euros as opposed to 9
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good :)
[23:04] <rebel4life2> look at pollin, ramscher n1 :D
[23:05] <rebel4life2> there you can get audio cable like this for around 1 euro
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:05] <rebel4life2> one of the funny items they sell: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/ODMzOTg0OTk-/Werkstatt/Werkstattbedarf/Sortimentskaesten/Blechdose.html
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:06] <rebel4life2> 1,50€ for useless crap
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:07] <rebel4life2> i think that are araund 10000 deutsch markt :D
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> so what do you think: Is that double breadboard necessary?
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[23:07] <rebel4life2> *around
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> whoo
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> there is a quadruple breadboard on ebay
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> but the auction still runs 6.5 days
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> you can buy one for 30 euros
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> I assume that the auction will top off higher
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:09] <rebel4life2> try alibaba.com
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> cool thanks :)
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> http://cgi.ebay.de/Breadboard-Steckbrett-Experimentierbrett-XXL-Labor-NEU-/150620429428?pt=Elektromechanische_Bauelemente&hash=item2311ad5c74#ht_971wt_1139
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> do you see the photo?
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> it has four sockets
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> Va, Vb, Vc and GND
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> I think that you can have three voltages for the power rails
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> is that correct=
[23:11] <rebel4life2> that are only contacts for 4mm plugs
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:12] <rebel4life2> you can use a drill and upgrade the contacts ;)
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> whoo!
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> sextuple! http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/435691825/Electronic_4240_tie_points_solderless_Breadboard.html
[23:14] <rebel4life2> nacht
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> gn8
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil do you think I should upgrade to a bigger breadboard?
[23:15] <rebel4life2> bigger =! better
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:15] <rebel4life2> you'll get trouble with high frequencies and things like contact of the wire
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> true
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[23:24] <fsphil> I wouldn't unless you need to Lunar_Lander
[23:24] <fsphil> don't fix what isn't broke :)
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[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah fsphil :)
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> was my assumption right that you can feed in three different voltages at the top?
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[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> with the knobs there
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