[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> it decodes not really though
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> it's uploading to YT
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> 23 mins
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[00:03] <fsphil> 23 of 388 .. flickr's gonna love me :)
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:14] <fsphil> 86
[00:14] <fsphil> my internet should be faster than this
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> 7 mins
[00:17] <fsphil> you're going to finish first :)
[00:17] <fsphil> 102
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hGBeDBDrk
[00:35] <fsphil> it's alternating between the two tones, there is no data
[00:35] <fsphil> but it proves the hardware is good
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> and in the end?
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> it writes
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> RJ??RJ???RJ???
[00:37] <Lunar_Lander> as you can see
[00:38] <fsphil> switch the radio to USB mode (you'll need to retune)
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[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> I have it on USB
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[00:40] <fsphil> "M6UPU TEST RTTY BEACON"
[00:40] <fsphil> :)
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> YES!
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> did you get that from the video audio?
[00:50] <fsphil> yea
[00:51] <fsphil> had to reverse it with the RV button, so either the radio was in LSB mode or the mark and space frequences are backwards
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> I was in USB there
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[00:59] <fsphil> so likely the frequences are backwards
[00:59] <fsphil> you can fix that in the software easily enough
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> just wait
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> is flickr done?
[01:01] <fsphil> just 18 more
[01:06] <fsphil> Ladies and gentlemen, hadie:3 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/sets/72157626013096240/
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil did you get the pdfs?
[01:10] <fsphil> received but not read yet - thanks
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
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[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03u8jRycEZY&feature=related
[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> what became of that?
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[01:19] <Lunar_Lander2> reconnect done
[01:21] <fsphil> lol, nice video
[01:21] <fsphil> right, bed time
[01:21] <fsphil> g'night!
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[01:22] <Lunar_Lander2> night fsphil
[01:25] <griffonbot> @fsphil: All hadie:3 flight pics now uploaded at http://t.co/SEUV2aF - essential viewing if you love clouds #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/fsphil/status/86968822883565569]
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[01:35] <Lunar_Lander2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1qhdsRyKW0
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[07:14] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: 2 years in the making, time for #HABE1 to take to the skies - launch set for 2pm BST #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87056497477025792]
[07:14] <cuddykid> morning all
[07:15] <SamSilver> big day cuddykid
[07:16] <SamSilver> wish you all the best
[07:16] <cuddykid> thanks SamSilver!
[07:16] <cuddykid> perfect weather - clear blue sky and no wind - hot air balloons around too
[07:17] <SamSilver> I am selling snake-oil and anti-tree retarder you want some?
[07:17] <cuddykid> lol
[07:17] <cuddykid> if only there was same day shipping!!
[07:17] <SamSilver> oohh hot air balloons I use to have one
[07:17] <cuddykid> oh wow
[07:18] <cuddykid> didn't get much sleep last night - obv too excited lol - like a little child going on holiday!
[07:19] <SamSilver> lol
[07:19] <cuddykid> fsphil - those photos are fantastic!
[07:19] <cuddykid> hopefully the a570 will get some good ones
[07:23] <cuddykid> launch predictions good :)
[07:23] <SamSilver> figure 8 ?
[07:23] <cuddykid> indeed! not quite 200m away though this time lol
[07:24] <cuddykid> need to adjust chdk script now
[07:24] <cuddykid> then final checks and pack the car!
[07:24] <SamSilver> don't forget to eat
[07:25] <SamSilver> I will be following from South Africa
[07:26] <cuddykid> yep then eat!! - wow, nice!!
[07:26] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=dd45a8aba150f3051baa1640890193e54d5ff179
[07:29] <mattltm> Is that the prediction for your launch today cuddykid?
[07:29] <cuddykid> mattltm: yeah
[07:29] <mattltm> Cool.
[07:29] <Darkside> oh wow
[07:29] <cuddykid> should be good :)
[07:29] <mattltm> I'll pump up the mast and see if I can track it :)
[07:29] <Darkside> very nice
[07:30] <cuddykid> cheers mattltm
[07:30] <cuddykid> indeed
[07:30] <Darkside> oooooh
[07:30] <Darkside> i'll be able to track all you guys launches when i'm at bath :P
[07:30] <cuddykid> much better than the predictions that have it landing about 100miles away!
[07:30] <cuddykid> yeah Darkside!
[07:30] <Darkside> apparently they have a massive 70cm array
[07:30] <cuddykid> awesome
[07:30] <UpuMobile> morning
[07:30] <cuddykid> right, bbl
[07:32] <UpuMobile> nice prediction
[07:34] <UpuMobile> 2.3kg of lift ?
[07:34] <UpuMobile> are you sure
[07:48] <cuddykid> UpuMobile: about 2.2kg
[07:49] <cuddykid> will get it going up at about 5m/s up to 32000 ish
[07:52] <cuddykid> yeah - ~2.2kg will lift the 950g payload up to about 32km (requires 3.06 cubic ms of he) - ascent rate ~5m/s
[07:56] <cuddykid> any items that anyone has found themselves forgetting before?! Trying to think of everything
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[08:02] <cuddykid> morning jcoxon
[08:02] <cuddykid> morning mixio
[08:03] <jcoxon> morning
[08:03] <cuddykid> fabulous day for launch :D
[08:03] <jcoxon> indeed
[08:03] <jcoxon> jealous i can't track today
[08:03] <jcoxon> got to go shopping with gf
[08:04] <cuddykid> being dragged along?! ;) haha
[08:04] <cuddykid> should be fine any way as I should be able to stay at launch site for a while as it drifts away then comes back
[08:04] <jcoxon> excellent
[08:04] <jcoxon> loading up the data for the live predictor
[08:05] <cuddykid> ahh, cheers jcoxon! that's great!
[08:05] <cuddykid> be back in a few mins
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[08:16] <cuddykid> jcoxon, thanks!
[08:17] <cuddykid> btw, just to check, does 2.2kg of lift sound right? Used the burst calc but just wanted to double check
[08:17] <jcoxon> payload weight?
[08:17] <cuddykid> 950g
[08:17] <jcoxon> ballon size?
[08:17] <cuddykid> target alt 32km
[08:17] <cuddykid> 1000g
[08:17] <cuddykid> hwoyee
[08:17] <UpuMobile> sounds a bit much mine is 850g @ 1600g using 1250g lift
[08:18] <UpuMobile> I dunno ask someone with more experience
[08:18] <jcoxon> cuddykid, is that 2.2kg freelift?
[08:18] <jcoxon> or total lift?
[08:18] <cuddykid> total lift
[08:18] <cuddykid> Upumobile: will be about that free lift
[08:18] <jcoxon> so you are planning to fill the balloon to neutral with a weight below of 2.2kg?
[08:18] <cuddykid> yep
[08:18] <cuddykid> got the water bottles filled!
[08:18] <jcoxon> so free lift is going to be
[08:19] <jcoxon> 2.2kg - 0.950kg
[08:19] <cuddykid> oh right, thought that was total
[08:19] <cuddykid> ignore me lol
[08:19] <jcoxon> 1.25kg free lift
[08:19] <cuddykid> yeah
[08:19] <UpuMobile> you'd sure go up quick @ 2.2kg
[08:19] <jcoxon> so actually thats the same as UpuMobile
[08:20] <jcoxon> it'll ascend fast
[08:20] <cuddykid> calc puts it about 5m/s
[08:20] <cuddykid> yeah
[08:20] <cuddykid> cheers jcoxon
[08:20] <jcoxon> i'm of the opinion the more the better
[08:20] <UpuMobile> that works for boobs so why not balloons
[08:20] <jcoxon> its better to go up quick, travel less distance etc
[08:20] <cuddykid> I need to minimise the time it drifts east (beginning of flight) so faster the better for me
[08:20] <jcoxon> you might not get an alt record
[08:22] <cuddykid> jcoxon: can you think of something that I'm likely to forget/you've forgotten in the past (something essential!)?!
[08:22] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: will you be here? #highaltitude during the flight? \
[08:23] <jcoxon> cuddykid, you using lithiums?
[08:23] <cuddykid> SamSilver_: hopefully, however, at the launch site it looks like it's gprs coverage
[08:23] <cuddykid> jcoxon: yeah
[08:23] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:pre_launch_checklist
[08:23] <cuddykid> patchy edge coverage at best and tethering from iphone
[08:23] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[08:24] <cuddykid> might see if I have a big cane or something for the inevitable tree landing
[08:24] <jcoxon> eek :-)
[08:25] <cuddykid> it shouldn't land far away though (fingers crossed!!) so should be able to nip back if necessary
[08:25] <cuddykid> right, off to pack the car :)
[08:25] <SamSilver_> a pair of swimming trunks, climbing spurs, food, champers, camera
[08:25] <SamSilver_> binonculers
[08:25] <SamSilver_> * spelling
[08:25] <SamSilver_> tellescope
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[08:26] <SamSilver_> ducttape
[08:26] <SamSilver_> charge cellphone before leaving
[08:26] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, what you launching tomorrow?
[08:27] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: yes maybe - depends on how things turn ot
[08:27] <RocketBoy> out
[08:27] <RocketBoy> just trying to re-install dl-fldigi at th mo
[08:28] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, if so give me a shout i'll climb the south downs and track from there
[08:28] <fsphil> don't mention trees cuddykid, they might hear you
[08:28] <RocketBoy> but the script doesn't seem to work
[08:28] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: that would be cool
[08:28] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, have you moved both into /Applications
[08:28] <RocketBoy> is there a field day on
[08:29] <fsphil> yea
[08:29] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: ah - right
[08:29] <fsphil> ooh I must get the radio ready
[08:29] <jcoxon> the script is hardwired :-)
[08:30] <RocketBoy> yea - that fixed it
[08:30] <Dutch-Mill> Morn
[08:31] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Final payload checks & packing car time #HABE1 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87075817540157440]
[08:31] <Dutch-Mill> Mor
[08:31] <jcoxon> hey Dutch-Mill
[08:32] <Dutch-Mill> Hi...what is the launch location for habe1
[08:33] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[08:33] <UpuMobile> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=dd45a8aba150f3051baa1640890193e54d5ff179 Dutch-Mill
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[08:36] <mixio> Good morning
[08:36] <mixio> I looking for helion
[08:36] <mixio> we use the one that is used for party balloons?
[08:37] <UpuMobile> morning mixio
[08:37] <jcoxon> yeah you'll need a cylinder though
[08:37] <UpuMobile> sorry I didn't respond to you the other day was flying off (not literally)
[08:37] <mixio> cylinder u mean the tank ?
[08:37] <fsphil> sometimes called Balloon Gas
[08:37] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:38] <mixio> yes, ok I found some athinean company giving helium tank of 3.7L at 70euros
[08:38] <Dutch-Mill> Oke thanks .. It's a bit one the edge for me but I tracked
[08:39] <jcoxon> Dutch-Mill, go for it
[08:39] <jcoxon> perhaps a range record
[08:39] <mixio> http://www.flyballoons.gr/prod.php?idpr=165
[08:39] <mixio> doesnt say much
[08:39] <fsphil> that's a good price mixio
[08:40] <Dutch-Mill> I t
[08:40] <mixio> fsphil: is that 3.7 for litres? or something else?
[08:40] <fsphil> mmm maybe I'm getting my units mixed up -- the cylinder I used was 3.7m2
[08:40] <UpuMobile> T Sized
[08:41] <fsphil> that's the one
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[08:41] <mixio> i need to mail him ask him what is that 3.7
[08:42] <mixio> with cufs calculator i need about 3L to lift the 900g payload with a 1500 balloon
[08:42] <UpuMobile> sounds right
[08:42] <UpuMobile> thats what I'm using for 1600g
[08:42] <UpuMobile> ish
[08:43] <Dutch-Mill> Yes let hope so...I tracked Badger mobile on the road home last week ..just a few lines but my Internet connection failed
[08:43] <fsphil> you stand a good chance Dutch-Mill
[08:45] <cuddykid> Dutch-Mill: have a go! Though whether my wiring will live up to the job is another thing!
[08:45] <Dutch-Mill> Seey@14.00 UFC
[08:45] <fsphil> lol
[08:45] <fsphil> ye of little faith cuddykid :)
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[08:45] <cuddykid> haha fsphil, I know what a mess my wiring is! ;)
[08:45] <cuddykid> but I still hold some hope!
[08:46] <cuddykid> car about 1/2 full now
[08:47] <UpuMobile> great pictures phip
[08:47] <UpuMobile> Phil even
[08:47] <fsphil> thanks UpuMobile!
[08:47] <cuddykid> pleased with how the balloon filler turned out, seems quite solid - http://flic.kr/p/9YytUn
[08:47] <UpuMobile> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5892076467/in/set-72157626013096240 <- you caught the burst ?
[08:47] <fsphil> yea!
[08:47] <cuddykid> awesome!
[08:47] <fsphil> great bit of timing
[08:48] <fsphil> cuddykid, private photo :)
[08:48] <UpuMobile> cuddykid that link needs a login
[08:48] <cuddykid> ooh :(
[08:48] <cuddykid> i'll have a look, see what I can do!
[08:49] <fsphil> rig still on UpuMobile? or are you going to try mobile?
[08:49] <UpuMobile> no all yours
[08:50] <UpuMobile> I'll be at a wedding when that goes up, just sat in hotel not doing much atm
[08:50] <UpuMobile> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/habtest
[08:50] <UpuMobile> still on
[08:50] <cuddykid> try now :) http://flic.kr/p/9YytUn
[08:51] <UpuMobile> thats almost the same as mine :)
[08:51] <cuddykid> only had 1 pilot call me so far - surprised as it's such a nice day usually there are quite a few calls
[08:51] <cuddykid> :)
[08:51] <mixio> hey people
[08:51] <cuddykid> hi mixio
[08:51] <mixio> from cufs calc i get 3.05m3 and 3047L
[08:52] <mixio> its the same value in diff unit?
[08:52] <cuddykid> yeah
[08:52] <mixio> ok
[08:52] <mixio> so i need to ask for helium of 3.5L
[08:52] <cuddykid> yarr :)
[08:52] <fsphil> We had another plane flying over the launch site last time -- I think they're actually attracted to the launch :)
[08:52] <cuddykid> lol fsphil
[08:52] <cuddykid> got to remember to call atc just befor
[08:53] <UpuMobile> Would be super cool to get a picture of the payload in the air as it goes up
[08:53] <fsphil> call about hour before cuddykid
[08:53] <cuddykid> will do fsphil
[08:53] <fsphil> gives them time if they need to check anything
[08:53] <UpuMobile> did you set dlfldigi offline fsphil ?
[08:53] <fsphil> I think so, will check
[08:53] <cuddykid> the regional paper is coming along to photograph so should get some decent ground images
[08:54] <UpuMobile> just not seeing it on the map
[08:54] <UpuMobile> would anyone mind if I changed the UKHAS records page from km to meters ?
[08:54] <fsphil> online now
[08:54] <fsphil> good idea UpuMobile
[08:55] <UpuMobile> ok thx thought it might have broken or something
[08:55] <cuddykid> would like to have done a live ustream broadcast of launch but the mobile internet is shoddy here :(
[08:55] <UpuMobile> iphone ustream doesn't via 3g on vodafone
[08:56] <cuddykid> oh :(
[08:56] <cuddykid> i'm on voda
[08:56] <fsphil> UpuMobile, noise blanker doing a nice job or conditions are quiet :) I'll toggle it shortly to see
[08:56] <UpuMobile> I tried all sorts
[08:56] <UpuMobile> just leave it on :)
[08:56] <UpuMobile> its noisy as hell on 434.075
[08:57] <UpuMobile> Sure it must be the electric fences round all the farmers fields
[08:57] <fsphil> I might do a launch webcam - the 3g coverage at the launch site is patchy at best
[08:57] <fsphil> it's a good bet
[08:57] <UpuMobile> well I'm going to put Virtual AP on the laptop
[08:57] <UpuMobile> so the laptop acts as an AP
[08:57] <fsphil> ooh that's cool
[08:58] <UpuMobile> the the iPhone can stream via the Three SIM in the laptop
[08:58] <fsphil> could you get a webcam for the laptop, use it to stream directly?
[08:58] <UpuMobile> yep
[08:58] <UpuMobile> its got one in it actually
[08:58] <UpuMobile> NC10 Samsung not the last word in quality though
[08:59] <fsphil> I'd have to mute the audio in ours, the conversation can be quite expletive :)
[09:00] <UpuMobile> lol
[09:00] <UpuMobile> you can only transmit video if needed
[09:00] <cuddykid> lol fsphil
[09:00] <fsphil> might give it a try next time
[09:04] <cuddykid> now I'm happy I've got such an absurd number of aa batteries
[09:05] <UpuMobile> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[09:05] <UpuMobile> there
[09:05] <fsphil> hehe, MiHAB I - 3291.84 m
[09:05] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: you can never have toooo many batteries or toooo much duct tape
[09:05] <cuddykid> yep lol
[09:06] <fsphil> or too long a pole with a hook knife on the end :)
[09:06] <SamSilver_> lol
[09:06] <cuddykid> haha!!
[09:06] <fsphil> took an hour to cut the four cords
[09:06] <fsphil> but worth it
[09:06] <cuddykid> indeed
[09:06] <fsphil> I think if I stick fresh batteries in it it would be ready to fly again
[09:06] <cuddykid> has anything been ruined by the rain?
[09:06] <cuddykid> nice
[09:06] <fsphil> the bottom was a bit damp
[09:07] <fsphil> but that's about it -- don't know if anything works yet but I think it should
[09:07] <fsphil> the cameras would have gotten the worst of it
[09:07] <cuddykid> :)
[09:07] <cuddykid> at least the sd card survived
[09:09] <fsphil> like this one, possibly fav: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5892589662/in/set-72157626013096240
[09:09] <cuddykid> wow
[09:09] <cuddykid> I hope it doesn't cloud over here - really want some photos without cloud like yours
[09:09] <fsphil> half of these pics are cloud lol
[09:10] <cuddykid> but you can still see quite a few bits!!
[09:10] <cuddykid> like that massive lake
[09:10] <fsphil> glad I got that yea!
[09:10] <fsphil> was hoping to see the scottish or english coast, but it was just a bit too cloudy that direction
[09:10] <cuddykid> yeah
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[09:12] <UpuMobile> how do you put comments on next to the revision history on UKHAS ?
[09:15] <fsphil> There's a box near the save button
[09:15] <fsphil> not sure you can add them after the fact
[09:16] <UpuMobile> ok thx
[09:17] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: @adamcudworth Good luck with the launch today #ukhas #habe1 [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/87087514078289920]
[09:18] <UpuMobile> did you online dlfldigi fsphil ? not on the map
[09:18] <UpuMobile> its ok if you didn't just check its all working before I have to shoot
[09:18] <fsphil> hehe, I can make out the shops next to my house here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5892628518/in/set-72157626013096240
[09:19] <fsphil> it's online UpuMobile, should be there by now - I'll restart dl-fldigi
[09:20] <fsphil> there it is
[09:20] <Darkside> fsphil: i need to get a copy of that :-)
[09:20] <UpuMobile> ah yes
[09:20] <UpuMobile> I see you now :)
[09:21] <fsphil> wow, big noise there
[09:21] <fsphil> sounds like a tornado
[09:21] <SamSilver_> fsphil: do you see the bands of clouds off the coast look like waves?
[09:21] <fsphil> (on 434.075)
[09:21] <fsphil> I was wondering about that SamSilver -- the previous shot shows them better
[09:21] <SamSilver_> fsphil: bottom left
[09:21] <SamSilver_> linky
[09:22] <SamSilver_> like lenticlure clouds
[09:22] <SamSilver_> mountain wave bounce
[09:22] <UpuMobile> without nb on you get S3-S5 noise
[09:22] <UpuMobile> great pic btw
[09:22] <fsphil> SamSilver, take that back the previous shot isn't better
[09:23] <SamSilver_> you can see the shadow of then on the sea
[09:23] <fsphil> there are no big mountains near the lake
[09:24] <SamSilver_> I was meaning more the effect
[09:24] <fsphil> interesting, a few minutes before they where not there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5892624970/in/set-72157626013096240/
[09:25] <SamSilver_> they also close to the sea looks like only 1 or 2 hundred feet
[09:25] <SamSilver_> hmmmmm...
[09:26] <SamSilver_> most likely cause then is ...
[09:26] <SamSilver_> UFO back blast interacting with wake turbelance
[09:26] <SamSilver_> ;-0
[09:27] <fsphil> oooh guys,... lens flare or the crescent moon? http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5892630420/in/set-72157626013096240/
[09:27] <fsphil> top left
[09:28] <UpuMobile> I vote UFO
[09:28] <SamSilver_> I see da moon
[09:28] <fsphil> pesky aliens, invading my space
[09:28] <UpuMobile> doesn't look like a lense flare
[09:28] <fsphil> must see where the moon was that day
[09:29] <cuddykid> almost forgot cable ties!! - now that wouldn't have been a wise move
[09:29] <fsphil> I forgot the payload :p
[09:29] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: there are a few of us that are not fans of cable ties for any sort of strain
[09:30] <fsphil> we stopped of at the shop to get some drinks before going to the launch site, and realised I didn't have the payload in the car
[09:30] <cuddykid> just going to use them to fix the balloon to the filler
[09:30] <cuddykid> hahahaha fsphil!!
[09:30] <cuddykid> not good
[09:31] <cuddykid> I've got a problem with the payload - the power for hotglue is here, so will have to hotglue it all together and seal then walk it to launch site (300m or so away)
[09:31] <cuddykid> fsphil, did you have a power supply for hotglue?
[09:31] <fsphil> stellarium confirms it -- the cresent moon was near the sun that day. woo :)
[09:31] <fsphil> I didn't use hotglue cuddykid, just lots of duct tape
[09:31] <cuddykid> oh right
[09:31] <cuddykid> yeah, duct tape is so good
[09:32] <SamSilver_> DUCT TAPE RULES
[09:32] <UpuMobile> yeah screw glue duct tape
[09:33] <UpuMobile> I'm going to speak to gaffertape.com to sponsor the UKHAS conference
[09:33] <UpuMobile> not even joking
[09:33] <SamSilver_> anyone remember bills saying
[09:33] <fsphil> words to live by
[09:33] <SamSilver_> I think it was " it is not real science if it does not have real duct tape"
[09:34] <fsphil> yep
[09:34] <fsphil> right, breakfast time. if I'm not back before you're away cuddykid, good luck!
[09:35] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: I told mates they could not visit today as I was busy I got the High Alti addiction
[09:37] <SamSilver_> I remember a payload being retrieved by boat and another by a swimmer in a lake / dam
[09:38] <SamSilver_> afk
[09:49] <fsphil> aah yes, Tim and his boat
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[09:58] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: don't forget to pack the rubber duck
[09:59] <SamSilver_> or at least a canoe
[10:00] <SamSilver_> Bugger it is only 10:00 UTC
[10:00] <fsphil> plenty of time yet :)
[10:01] <SamSilver_> I was being selfish
[10:01] <SamSilver_> I am hungry for launch now!!
[10:01] <SamSilver_> it is 12h01 local
[10:02] <SamSilver_> I was thinking an hour to go
[10:02] <cuddykid> fsphil: thanks :)
[10:02] <cuddykid> SamSilver_: haha!
[10:03] <cuddykid> will be heading down to launch site in about 30mins probably, to clear some polythene that's lying around away
[10:03] <cuddykid> just about a 300m walk from my house :)
[10:03] <SamSilver_> any bets on how far launch to landing will be in meters?
[10:03] <cuddykid> then will take the car down and set up antenna etc
[10:03] <cuddykid> hmm, I think about 10km max
[10:04] <cuddykid> latest predictions are about 5 to 6km
[10:04] <SamSilver_> acent rate?
[10:04] <SamSilver_> 5
[10:04] <cuddykid> 5m/s
[10:04] <SamSilver_> ?
[10:04] <cuddykid> yeah
[10:04] <SamSilver_> wil you be infalting in sunshine?
[10:04] <cuddykid> looks like it! :D
[10:05] <cuddykid> clear blue sky here
[10:05] <cuddykid> hopefully it will stay that way
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[10:05] <SamSilver_> that will heat the gas / H
[10:05] <cuddykid> Hi WillDuckworth
[10:05] <cuddykid> SamSilver_: yeah, will it matter much?
[10:05] <WillDuckworth> Hiya, all set for later?
[10:05] <cuddykid> yeah! I think so, are you coming?
[10:06] <WillDuckworth> i think so - just placating the other half!
[10:06] <fsphil> meh, grey clouds here :)
[10:06] <WillDuckworth> also charging radio/laptop batteries
[10:06] <cuddykid> haha, no problem, turn up whenever (after about 1:45)
[10:07] <cuddykid> nice, btw, worcester news are coming!
[10:07] <cuddykid> noo, 1st cloud seen..
[10:07] <fsphil> what time is the launch?
[10:07] <cuddykid> 2pm bst all being well
[10:07] <fsphil> ah, no rush to setup here then
[10:08] <cuddykid> nah, probably be around 3/3:30 before you'll be able to hear
[10:09] <fsphil> yea, I expect about an hour
[10:09] <fsphil> though if you're going for a quick ascent possibly sooner
[10:11] <cuddykid> possibly :)
[10:12] <cuddykid> the bit I'm unsure about is filling and tying the balloon.. I've printed out the excellent guide on UKHAS though :)
[10:13] <cuddykid> right, heading off to launch site, will report back in a bit
[10:14] <fsphil> just don't let go!
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[10:16] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: promise
[10:16] <SamSilver_> ?
[10:17] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Prepping launch site for #HABE1 - fantastic day for launch - hopefully get some good photos #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87102671449886720]
[10:38] <cuddykid> back :)
[10:39] <cuddykid> cleared launch site - almost perfect conditions - nice and warm too!
[10:40] <cuddykid> think twitter will be best bet for keeping in touch - not sure how well tethering will work due to gprs
[10:40] <WillDuckworth> just trying to re-run the predictor for you... taking a bit of time
[10:41] <cuddykid> cheers
[10:41] <fsphil> Anyone with access to the server update the live prediction?
[10:42] <cuddykid> jcoxon did it this morning :)
[10:42] <fsphil> proper job
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[10:50] <cuddykid> going to forget the hot glue and stick with duct tape
[10:51] <cuddykid> that way I don't have to ferry the payload to the launch site separately later
[10:54] <SamSilver_> 300m dash will cool glue down
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> You can use hot glue very well with a lighter and a gluestick
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> It's really handy
[10:55] <SamSilver_> remember thatb that the temp of the gas in the balloon will efect it's rate of rise / it's density
[10:56] <cuddykid> SamSilver_: does that mean I should put more in than required?
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> You mean for a hot ass balloon?
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> gas
[10:56] <cuddykid> Speedevil: neat
[10:56] <cuddykid> yeah speedevil
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you're trying one?
[10:57] <cuddykid> no, SamSilver was just saying about the gas inside heating up due to temp today
[10:57] <cuddykid> was wondering if I needed to overfill or underfill or just the same
[10:58] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: do you have latest prediction link?
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[11:01] <SamSilver_> sorry was AFK maybe inflate early and wait for gas and air temo to stabilise
[11:01] <SamSilver_> temp
[11:02] <SamSilver_> the H is going from a liquid state at about -245 to local amient temp
[11:03] <SamSilver_> the gas in the balloon is cold it has just come from a liquide stae
[11:03] <WillDuckworth> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=eaa1ecada241f0a63ba461b86e695ecd41fd637d
[11:03] <SamSilver_> he
[11:03] <WillDuckworth> re-used yours
[11:03] <WillDuckworth> looks ok
[11:03] <WillDuckworth> might try and find a pub with good reception whilst it's doing its stuff
[11:03] <WillDuckworth> ;)
[11:04] <SamSilver_> I vote WillDuckworth
[11:08] <cuddykid> oh dear - doesn't look brilliant landing near droitwich :S
[11:09] <cuddykid> gosh the prediction has changed quite a bit
[11:09] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: you aqre on a roller-coaster of emotions at the mo
[11:09] <cuddykid> yeah lol
[11:09] <cuddykid> this is not good
[11:09] <SamSilver_> the day is only going to get more hectic
[11:09] <cuddykid> needs to drift more east than west
[11:10] <SamSilver_> adjust lift
[11:10] <cuddykid> right - might need to put a little more helium in
[11:10] <cuddykid> yeah
[11:12] <cuddykid> right, definately needs to be ascent of 5 or greater
[11:12] <cuddykid> otherwise we're in trouble
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[11:16] <cuddykid> hmm, the predicted landing is too close to droitwich for my liking
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[11:18] <cuddykid> lunch time
[11:24] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: correction launch time
[11:28] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: run a prediction for right now or maybe an hours time and see result
[11:28] <SamSilver_> what is the result if you launched now??
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Also - vary the launch point by 1km nsew.
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> If this results in the landing point moving bby about a kilometer - you're probably in a 'stable' part of the forecast.
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> If it moves 10km, then you're not
[11:30] <SamSilver_> well done SpeedEvil
[11:33] <SamSilver_> afk
[11:35] <fsphil> also the biggest variable is the burst altitude
[11:36] <cuddykid> will have a play around :)
[11:37] <cuddykid> looks to be stable part
[11:39] <cuddykid> ahh, that's interesting, looks like a higher altitude will drop it away from droitwich
[11:39] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=21955c742f1b62d989c12f66f298f12c4ecbccc7
[11:40] <cuddykid> yeah, want a slower ascent rate.. time to quickly change water weight!
[11:44] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil, fsphil: I'm unsure exactly how to measure the neck lift when using my pipe filler as I'm not sure exactly how to weigh the pipe filler as some will be supported by ground
[11:45] <fsphil> weigh the pipe filler, water bottle and cord separately?
[11:46] <cuddykid> done, that, but the pipe filler has hosepipe attached and that will lie on the ground so will affect the weigh of pip fiiller
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[11:46] <cuddykid> should I just weight the pipe filler as it would be attached to balloon? (so some on the ground)
[11:47] <RocketBoy> yes
[11:47] <cuddykid> cheers
[11:47] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: going for a much slower ascent now that winds have changed quite significantly
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[11:48] <RocketBoy> doubt that makes any noticable difference to the ascent rate
[11:49] <cuddykid> going for neck lift of about 1600g for 950g payload rather than 2200g neck lift
[11:50] <cuddykid> ok, panic over, I think it's back under control!
[11:50] <RocketBoy> sorry - I c -u r going for a slower ascent rate due to a change of wind
[11:50] <cuddykid> yeah RocketBoy
[11:51] <cuddykid> otherwise it looks to be landed near a town
[11:51] <RocketBoy> whats the balloon (i forget)
[11:51] <cuddykid> (v near)
[11:51] <cuddykid> habe1 and it's a hwoyee 1000G
[11:51] <SamSilver_> cuddykid: from onepole
[11:51] <SamSilver_> ?
[11:52] <cuddykid> onepole?
[11:52] <SamSilver_> ait
[11:52] <cuddykid> got it from RocketBoy :)
[11:53] <cuddykid> going to power down in a few mins and head to launch site - will try and log on there using tethering but may be unsuccessful - if so, will tweet away :)
[11:53] <SamSilver_> bitcon
[11:53] <fsphil> good luck!
[11:53] <fsphil> time to get the radios ready
[11:54] <SamSilver_> go high cuddykid
[11:54] <SamSilver_> enjoy
[11:54] <fsphil> may the flat ground be with you :)
[11:55] <RocketBoy> & no trees
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[11:56] <fsphil> ooh I wonder if the funcube would receive this
[11:56] <cuddykid> thanks guys!!
[11:56] <cuddykid> just waiting for a mate to arrive, then once he is hear will sign off
[11:57] <WillDuckworth> see you about 13:45
[11:58] <RocketBoy> Dutch-Mill: it will be great if you hear it - looks lie 500Km?
[12:00] <fsphil> about 350 I thnk
[12:00] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Payload -check; balloon -check; chute -check; bits & pieces -check! All set for #HABE1 launch in ~1hr. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87128510711349248]
[12:01] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Last minute alterations - adjust free lift weight to get a slower ascent due to changed wind conditions #HABE1 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87128665590218752]
[12:04] <cuddykid> ok WillDuckworth! Btw, if you have a force meter could you bring that along.. but I doubt if you do!
[12:04] <cuddykid> right, signing off, see you later guys! Will keep you posted. Will try and log on with tethering, but may be on/off connection.. thanks for all the help!
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[12:05] <NigeyS> lalala
[12:06] <fsphil> doh ray meh
[12:07] <NigeyS> fa so
[12:07] <NigeyS> :p
[12:08] <NigeyS> lovely day!
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[12:08] <NigeyS> shame i spent it cutting the dam lawn :(
[12:08] <fsphil> no better day to do that though!
[12:08] <fsphil> starting to brighten up here a bit now
[12:08] <NigeyS> true, better some warm sun that wind and cold air! :(
[12:09] <WillDuckworth> NigeyS, cuddykid is going for a launch at 2
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[12:09] <WillDuckworth> fingers crossed
[12:09] <UpuMobile> love the fake comments about the ustream feed of my radio display, 24 hours of a Yaesu displaying 484.075: "Katie Hahaha, that was really funny."
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[12:09] <NigeyS> lol Upu
[12:09] <NigeyS> WillDuckworth, ill cross my fingers :D
[12:09] <fsphil> what, you didn't see katie?
[12:10] <fsphil> she was all over that yaesu!
[12:10] <NigeyS> lol
[12:11] <UpuMobile> heh
[12:11] <UpuMobile> who has a wedding at 3pm zzz
[12:11] <fsphil> lol
[12:11] <UpuMobile> bored :)
[12:11] <NigeyS> ill refrain from saying anything related to verticals for now ;)
[12:11] <fsphil> are they at least getting a nice day?
[12:11] <UpuMobile> yeah its lovely here
[12:11] <fsphil> sweet
[12:11] <DanielRichman> does anyone know which checksum format cuddykid's using?
[12:12] <NigeyS> not i
[12:12] <DanielRichman> ahh, looks like xor
[12:12] <DanielRichman> cools
[12:12] <fsphil> 8-bit
[12:13] <NigeyS> fsphil, how can i scare off these little birds from the garden ?
[12:13] <fsphil> Morris Dancing?
[12:14] <NigeyS> lol, theyre babies, and they keep coming back, so the cats eating / killing them :(
[12:14] <fsphil> do you really want to? birds are pretty nice to have around -- most of the time
[12:14] <fsphil> aah
[12:14] <NigeyS> they seem to like eating the grass .. or something thats in the soil underneath :|
[12:14] <fsphil> not much you can do, the young birds don't have much of a sense of danger
[12:15] <fsphil> something noisy maybe
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Birdscarer/150511711994?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item230b3276fa
[12:15] <NigeyS> bloody eck lol
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> you'd need a couple of servos too though.
[12:15] <fsphil> LOL
[12:15] <fsphil> lasers, is there anything they can't do?
[12:16] <NigeyS> fusion
[12:16] <NigeyS> :p
[12:16] <fsphil> meh, they're not doing it right :)
[12:16] <NigeyS> haha yeah yeah
[12:17] <fsphil> time to face the spiders in the attic
[12:17] <NigeyS> i just found a huge 1 inside the lawnmower, think its dead now though, and in lots of bits!
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> I am considering buying 6W of solid state lasers, to try laser soldering.
[12:19] <NigeyS> that sounds cool!
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> the blue 1W lasers that seem to be everywhere on ebay ATM
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[12:26] <WillDuckworth> test WillDMobile
[12:26] <WillDMobile> Ok
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[12:27] <FutFutFut> Hi, have i missed today's launch?
[12:28] <UpuMobile> nope
[12:28] <UpuMobile> 30 mins possibly
[12:28] <UpuMobile> more than enought time to get online
[12:28] <FutFutFut> fantastic
[12:29] <FutFutFut> do you know if its launching from Ears or Churchil?
[12:29] <UpuMobile> neither
[12:29] <FutFutFut> UK?
[12:29] <UpuMobile> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ note the beacon near Birmingham
[12:29] <UpuMobile> ye
[12:29] <UpuMobile> 434.075
[12:29] <UpuMobile> HABE1 in dl-fldigi
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[12:30] <FutFutFut> I take it that the higher up it is, the further the signal will travel?
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[12:31] <FutFutFut> Wondering if I'll be able to receive it over in Cambridge
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> At highest altitude, the signal has been recieved 500km away
[12:31] <FutFutFut> lol, yep just remembered that I could hear (not decipher) James' payload when over the North Sea
[12:32] <UpuMobile> ooh yeah should be able too
[12:32] <Laurenceb_> launch in 30mins?
[12:32] <UpuMobile> I'm in Cambridge atm :)
[12:32] <FutFutFut> So on the spacenear.us site
[12:32] <FutFutFut> are each aerial mast a receiver?
[12:33] <UpuMobile> yes
[12:33] <FutFutFut> so I'd appear on the map like that as well
[12:33] <UpuMobile> you will
[12:33] <UpuMobile> make sure your location long/lat is correct
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[12:33] <UpuMobile> Dutch-Mill is listening from Amsherdaaaaam
[12:33] <FutFutFut> cool i'll go setup shortly
[12:34] <FutFutFut> is the rough flight plan known? As in is it going to drift east wards?
[12:35] <UpuMobile> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch there is a link to the prediction on there
[12:35] <FutFutFut> thanks
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[12:41] <fsphil> right, all is ready here I think
[12:42] <cuddykid> hi all
[12:42] <cuddykid> setting up payload now :)
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[12:43] <ingersol_> GM8OTI hi John a lot of interference here in arbroath..JTJ
[12:43] <fsphil> some noise here too
[12:43] <fsphil> but not too bad
[12:44] <ingersol_> 434.600 is always quieter than 434.075 for whatever reason?.
[12:47] <fsphil> good spread of receivers for this flight
[12:47] <gm8oti> ingersol hi Jon not set up here yet - just started the laptop but I'm on another machine
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[12:48] <fsphil> could everyone double check their RTTY shift is set to 850hz and not 600hz
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[12:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flogos.net/flogosvideo.html
[12:51] <Laurenceb_> insane
[12:51] <NigeyS> 850? :o
[12:51] <NigeyS> hey Laurenceb
[12:51] <fsphil> lol
[12:52] <UpuMobile> could be worse could be Timobels :)
[12:52] <NigeyS> lol so true
[12:52] <UpuMobile> least you only need one radio ... just
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> neat!
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[12:56] <fsphil> M0RJX is either tracking from a boat of the coast of nigeria, or has a coordinate backwards
[12:56] <NigeyS> lmao
[12:56] <NigeyS> always 1
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[13:00] <fsphil> woo, got the tracker on the big screen
[13:02] <fsphil> aah it's rjh
[13:02] <fsphil> we get balloon
[13:03] <gm8oti> fsphil what are bits and parity etc please?
[13:03] <fsphil> 50 baud, 8-bit, no parity and 1.5 stop bits
[13:03] <fsphil> 850hz shift
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> liftoff
[13:03] <fsphil> or so the auto setup thing is saying
[13:03] <gm8oti> ta - old version of fldigi still!
[13:04] <fsphil> aah
[13:04] <WillDMobile> Is the position updating?
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> yes
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> seems to be inf lgith
[13:04] <fsphil> half way between kiddeminster and worcester
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> hmm maybe not
[13:04] <WillDMobile> Excellent, just about to inflate balloon
[13:04] <Laurenceb_> moving about on the gnd
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> ah cool
[13:05] <UpuMobile> haz balloon
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> wait is that a person?
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> - on google sat view
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> looks like someone looking up XD
[13:06] Action: Laurenceb_ wonders if google have manged realtime sat view now :P
[13:07] <fsphil> lol
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[13:07] <fsphil> the track looks like the balloon was carried over a fence
[13:07] <fsphil> nice launch site
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[13:08] <UpuMobile> ok have fun i'm out
[13:08] <fsphil> be good UpuMobile
[13:09] <fsphil> gonna get some grub quickly before launch
[13:10] <Laurenceb_> http://www.hizook.com/blog/2010/04/22/electroactive-polymer-eap-robot-blimp
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[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Funky - an idea I had back in 1995?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Though I was planning on doing the movement by a tiny atmospheric pressure propane/air engine.
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[13:31] <natrium42> is launch stll on?
[13:31] <NigeyS> afaik yup
[13:31] <NigeyS> think theyre inflating
[13:31] <natrium42> i don't see any custom data btw, so can't add it to the tracker
[13:31] <natrium42> something not right with xml
[13:32] <NigeyS> eek
[13:32] <fsphil> it's on the tracker already?
[13:33] <natrium42> yes
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[13:38] <Laurenceb_> http://vimeo.com/channels/hdwingsuit#13934741
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[13:38] <Laurenceb_> 00:40 didnt even realise that was possible
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's a _really_ tiny 'conventional' chute.
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[13:44] <Laurenceb_> umm has it broken?
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> no opdates for some time nowe
[13:46] <FutFutFut> Hi, can't receive anything here Cambridge way on 434.075
[13:46] <fsphil> I don't think it's launched yet?
[13:46] <cuddykid> just released
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[13:47] <WillDMobile> Launch!
[13:47] <gm8oti> but no local trackers?
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Signal gets lots stronger for relatively local trackers after it hits a hundred meters or three
[13:48] <gm8oti> wooo - there it goes
[13:48] <FutFutFut> I take it that the circle on the tracker shows the area of receiption?
[13:49] <FutFutFut> *reception
[13:49] <cuddykid> its off, getting some dodgy data through
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> green circle is 0 degree horizon, blue is 5 degree
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[13:50] <SpeedEvil> (it also assumes a spherical earth at 0m)
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Err - blue is 0, green is 5
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[13:51] <G3VZV> have we got/had a launch today?
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> several seconds ago
[13:52] Action: SpeedEvil points at cuddykid.
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:52] <cuddykid> we got some good data intermittently
[13:52] <cuddykid> think internet isn't good enough to upload them all
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> The prediction is silly :)
[13:52] <FutFutFut> 434.0715?
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> Not quite as awesome as it was before - but great.
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> wht prediction
[13:57] <cuddykid> 434.071.38
[13:57] <FutFutFut> same here
[13:57] <FutFutFut> just setting up laptop to decode
[13:58] <Laurenceb_> what size balloon?
[13:59] <cuddykid> 1000g
[13:59] <cuddykid> hwoyee
[14:01] <WillDMobile> Think need reverse
[14:03] <cuddykid> signing off to go back to house where there is better connection
[14:03] <cuddykid> bbl
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[14:06] <fsphil> good signal in Yorkshire
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> prediction looking more sane now
[14:06] <FutFutFut> good signal here in Cambridge, but having problems configuring the software
[14:06] <fsphil> shift is 615hz
[14:06] <FutFutFut> not changed anything from last payload tracked, but can't seem to find how to select the new payload
[14:06] <G3VZV> its good in Bedfordshire:)
[14:07] <fsphil> are you running in HAB mode FutFutFut? should be a drop-down list on the top left
[14:07] <fsphil> then press Autoconfigure
[14:07] <G3VZV> Click on the flight tab - select Habe-1 and autoconfigure
[14:08] <FutFutFut> thanks
[14:08] <fsphil> no signal in cookstown yet
[14:08] <FutFutFut> when i click autoconfigure, should the text boxes populate with anything?
[14:08] <fsphil> they won't until you receive a full line
[14:08] <fsphil> wait
[14:08] <fsphil> they're not working
[14:09] <FutFutFut> hmm the lines to the left and right of the centre line are way further apart than the lines i'm receiving
[14:10] <fsphil> you need to change the shift to 615hz
[14:10] <fsphil> in Configure -> Modems -> RTTY
[14:10] <fsphil> select Custom Shift
[14:10] <fsphil> and use the slider thingy below it to change it
[14:10] <fsphil> No GPS
[14:11] <fsphil> just the one no gps
[14:11] <fsphil> good
[14:11] <FutFutFut> cool getting data
[14:12] <ingersol_> gm8oti> its a fiddle fest up here this weekend in arbroath
[14:12] <FutFutFut> correctly decoding line yippee
[14:14] <fsphil> this is the proper payload config: http://i.imgur.com/rmr22.png
[14:14] <fsphil> this will allow the fields at the top to correctly update
[14:15] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE1 launched! Track via http://t.co/9mHVBKD #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87162458531307520]
[14:17] <NigeyS> oo i can just about hear it
[14:17] <fsphil> it should be pretty loud there NigeyS - 434.071
[14:17] <fsphil> USB
[14:17] <gm8oti> ingersol_ good fun, sorry to miss it!
[14:17] <NigeyS> im only on the 790's whip
[14:18] <fsphil> ah
[14:18] <NigeyS> vertical isnt up yet
[14:18] <fsphil> even so
[14:18] <fsphil> indoors?
[14:18] <NigeyS> yeah im next to the window with it, pretty close to the pc so its gonna be faint
[14:19] <NigeyS> oo if i hold the radio higher at arms length its s5+
[14:22] <fsphil> excellent
[14:23] <fsphil> upu's radio isn't even registering it on the S meter
[14:23] <NigeyS> :o
[14:23] <fsphil> though it sounds nice and strong
[14:23] <fsphil> it is a lovely signal
[14:23] <NigeyS> i cant find the pc audio cable so i cant upload :(
[14:25] <fsphil> microphone :)
[14:25] <fsphil> ascent rate I think is pretty much spot on to what he was after
[14:25] <NigeyS> 3.5 ?
[14:25] <fsphil> aaarg! lawn mower
[14:25] <NigeyS> lol
[14:26] <WillDMobile> Clear as a bell
[14:26] <FutFutFut> Goog signal from Cambridge way
[14:26] <fsphil> he always cuts the grass when I'm tracking lol
[14:26] <fsphil> lovely signal up 'north
[14:26] <FutFutFut> i've just changed my location as it was wrong as north of Cambridge
[14:26] <fsphil> no signal yet in cookstown
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Prediction moving closer to launch :)
[14:27] <FutFutFut> i've refreshed the map, but my location is still stored wrongly
[14:27] <NigeyS> pretty good down here, im impressed, this room normally doesnt pick anything up
[14:27] <fsphil> FutFutFut, you might have to restart dl-fldigi -- the position updates are quite slow
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: yeah - you're not quite at the horizon are you?
[14:27] <fsphil> not yet SpeedEvil, though I often see something before it gets here
[14:28] <fsphil> this lawn mower is making a pretty good mess of 70cm though
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:29] <fsphil> shift has decreased, now about 600hz exactly
[14:30] <FutFutFut> my location fixed thanks :)
[14:30] <fsphil> mental note: have that send an update after you change it
[14:32] <fsphil> dial freq. is about 434.071.5 now
[14:33] <ingersol_> fsphil. is that in usb or cw/
[14:33] <fsphil> 10km
[14:33] <fsphil> ingersol_, usb
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[14:34] <ingersol_> thanks
[14:34] <NigeyS> phil chuck me link to fdigi .. found the cable
[14:34] <fsphil> NigeyS, https://github.com/downloads/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-3.20.29.r115.1.exe
[14:34] <cuddykid> hi all
[14:35] <cuddykid> receiving v nicely here
[14:35] <fsphil> hiya cuddykid, good signal from across the country from the sounds of it
[14:35] <cuddykid> good stuff :)
[14:35] <cuddykid> anything your way fsphil?
[14:36] <fsphil> not yet, just coming up on my horizon now though
[14:37] <cuddykid> nice!
[14:37] <fsphil> and as if by magic, there it is
[14:37] <fsphil> weak trace on the waterfall
[14:38] <cuddykid> wow
[14:38] <cuddykid> impressed!
[14:39] <fsphil> be a while before I can decode anything
[14:39] <FutFutFut> blue circle coming up on the receiver in Amsterdam
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: :)
[14:41] <fsphil> dial freq. about 434.072 now
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> FutFutFut: What sort of ant do you have?
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[14:41] <FutFutFut> 12 element yagi tuned to 450MHz
[14:42] <FutFutFut> not ideal setup as I've just stood it up in the loft (vertically polarised) on cardboard boxes
[14:42] Action: fsphil turns the volume down ... there's only so much rtty one can listen to :)
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> Should have a good shot if you've got a good horizon and no locals.
[14:42] <FutFutFut> then have a long length of cable down to the garage
[14:42] <FutFutFut> i'm m6fty on the tracking ;)
[14:42] <NigeyS> meh gone :(
[14:43] <FutFutFut> Constantly impressed how far away i can pick up signals on my FT-790R
[14:43] <fsphil> yea
[14:44] <cuddykid> I am amazed how well everyone can hear it!
[14:44] <FutFutFut> especially being that the transmission power is so weak
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[14:44] <gm4jtj> gm8oti> are you seeing anyhting yet?
[14:44] <FutFutFut> i'm thinking of trying to launch a micro payload later this year
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[14:45] <FutFutFut> using a pic chip and very cheap transmitter
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[14:45] <cuddykid> yep FutFutFut, and my dodgy wiring!
[14:45] <fsphil> starting to get fragments of text
[14:45] <fsphil> well, numbers
[14:46] <FutFutFut> not sure about adding a gps etc ;)
[14:47] <fsphil> shift is about 590hz now
[14:47] <mixio> hi all
[14:47] <mixio> hi FutFutFut
[14:47] <mixio> ::p
[14:48] <FutFutFut> Hi mixio
[14:49] <gm8oti> gm4jtj nothing here in Edinburgh yet
[14:50] <gm8oti> gm4jtj mind you the Pentlands are due south and get in the way a bit ...
[14:50] <fsphil> getting mostly decoded lines in cookstown now
[14:50] <FutFutFut> need to disappear for a bit, but i'll leave my system decoding
[14:51] <NigeyS> no decodes ere :(
[14:51] <NigeyS> ~?ÿ$$ABE1,3)1,4:47:52,52.167$.8(131.6$2.ÿûÿÿç#" ér²bŠš‚Š¢ˆ2þçé0$$HABE1,No PS,14:48:2,5.169$
[14:51] <fsphil> close!
[14:51] <fsphil> tried changing theshift to 590hz?
[14:52] <fsphil> last one here: $$HABE1,406,14:51:4?,52.170_,-?.80_8_0381?$_&???0
[14:52] <fsphil> actually the shift is more like 560hz now
[14:52] <cuddykid> v good fsphil!
[14:52] <cuddykid> really pleased :)
[14:53] <cuddykid> turning as predicted!
[14:53] <fsphil> successful decode!
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[14:55] <gm4jtj> gm8oti nothing here other than someone's oil tank sender! S3 noise and no pre-amp
[14:57] <FutFutFut> Lovely strong signal :)
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[14:58] <fsphil> good signal here now too
[14:58] <fsphil> and you where worried about the antenna cuddykid :p
[14:58] <NigeyS> $HABE1,428,14:58:8,52.1814$-1&7715184³.=²30
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[14:58] <NigeyS> gr so close lol
[14:58] <cuddykid> haha :P
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[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:59] <AndroUser> At pub listening in now
[14:59] <fsphil> best place to track a balloon lol
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD!+
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil thanks for subscribing
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[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> that is a nice prediction
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> a landing next to the launch place
[15:00] <fsphil> no probs :)
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[15:01] <fsphil> payload is coming towards me :)
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> :) yeah
[15:01] <cuddykid> :)
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> hey mixio
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi cuddykid
[15:01] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander
[15:01] <fsphil> sure, it's got a bit to go...
[15:01] <cuddykid> lol
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> I think I will wait with my news until HABE has landed
[15:01] <cuddykid> swinging round nicely
[15:01] <cuddykid> what is it Lunar?!
[15:01] <NigeyS> yey i decoded 1 lol
[15:02] <fsphil> lol
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/the-evolution-of-a-radio-system/
[15:03] <cuddykid> haha!
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> check out video 4
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[15:05] <NigeyS> duh squelch was on :@
[15:05] <fsphil> d'oh!
[15:08] <cuddykid> lol
[15:10] <NigeyS> this is pretty good phils its decoding now n then just using the whip
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[15:13] <fsphil> through glass too
[15:14] <NigeyS> yup
[15:15] <gm4jtj> gotcha at last
[15:15] <cuddykid> :O!
[15:15] <cuddykid> wow
[15:16] <cuddykid> from N ireland with a whip?!?
[15:16] <NigeyS> noo
[15:16] <NigeyS> cardiff
[15:16] <fsphil> NigeyS has the whip, I'm using a colinear :)
[15:16] <NigeyS> $$HABD1,490,15:15:24,52.2059,-1.8055
[15:16] <NigeyS> heh habd
[15:16] <fsphil> though I bet the whip would work
[15:18] <NigeyS> alot of no gps messages coming through
[15:18] <cuddykid> ahh right!
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[15:18] <cuddykid> yeah NigeyS, I think it's a code error
[15:19] <NigeyS> yey another decode, thats all of 6 lines sent by me..lol
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[15:20] <cuddykid> very good!
[15:20] <NigeyS> hey kev :D
[15:20] <NigeyS> coffee! brb ill leave this run
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> yay cuddykid you smashed 20000 m!
[15:22] <cuddykid> hmm, I think the outside temp sensor is bust
[15:22] <cuddykid> wooo!
[15:22] <gm8oti> gm4jtj what centre freq?
[15:22] <cuddykid> don't think it is just -2.6
[15:22] <cuddykid> gotta be colder
[15:23] <gm4jtj> according to my calibration 434.755 but my transverter LO might be an unknown
[15:23] <cuddykid> AndroUser: landing predictions are fluctuating quite a bit! But going nicely!
[15:23] <gm4jtj> imean 434.0755
[15:23] <cuddykid> 434.073.21 here
[15:24] Nick change: AndroUser -> WillDMobile
[15:24] <WillDMobile> Good stuff, pleased its going well. Lets it beats 30k
[15:25] <WillDMobile> _hope
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[15:28] <FutFutFut> 434.0739 here
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[15:28] <gm8oti> gm4jtj cuddykid thanks, just wanted to be sure I'm tuning the right range! nothing here yet ...
[15:28] <cuddykid> WillDMobile: hopefully!
[15:28] <FutFutFut> what's the shift now?
[15:29] <gm4jtj> john its very weak 3 by1
[15:30] <fsphil> shift seems stable at 560hz
[15:31] <FutFutFut> thanks
[15:31] <NigeyS> decoding really well here
[15:31] <fsphil> trying on the whip with the funcube dongle -- so far nothing :)
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[15:32] <jcoxon> afternoon
[15:32] <NigeyS> just starrting to fade a bit now :(
[15:32] <NigeyS> afternoon james
[15:33] <FutFutFut> Hi James
[15:33] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE1 now over 20km up - rising great! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87182064989908993]
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> there are good news
[15:33] <Lunar_Lander> http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/the-evolution-of-a-radio-system/
[15:35] <mixio> lol Lunar_Lander
[15:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:35] <jcoxon> NigeyS, why is your station in the sea?
[15:36] <cuddykid> hi jcoxon, flight going well :)
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> mixio the mail tracking says "The letter has been brought into the post office"
[15:36] <NigeyS> god knows, fdigi didnt update my new co-ordinates :( lol
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon is that the China problem?
[15:36] <jcoxon> NigeyS, restart it
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> with the 90° different longitude
[15:36] <jcoxon> nah
[15:36] <NigeyS> i have 3 times :S
[15:36] <jcoxon> have you really changed it
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> mixio the last time I sent a letter to Latvia, it said "The letter has left our Frankfurt logistics center to Latvia."
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> I expected that it would say something like that now
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> but I think the letter should be on its way to you
[15:37] <mixio> Lunar_Lander: propably i will get it on monday
[15:37] <NigeyS> yups james
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:38] <jcoxon> NigeyS, cause looking at the raw logs you are still sending through the wrong data
[15:38] <jcoxon> well you've only sent an update once
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[15:38] <NigeyS> hm
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[15:39] <NigeyS> lat = 51.29 long -3.88
[15:39] <jcoxon> thats the sea
[15:39] <NigeyS> thats what my mobile gives me as gps
[15:39] <gm4jtj> gm8oti calibrating against angus beacon I make centre freq .07446?
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: Neat - it's following the earlier track well!
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[15:41] <fsphil> no signal on the whip :)
[15:41] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil - yeah!
[15:42] <WillDuckworth> looking good from here
[15:42] <cuddykid> you still in pub WillDuckworth?
[15:43] <NigeyS> phil what should my coordinates be in fdigi ?
[15:43] <NigeyS> decimal right ?
[15:43] <fsphil> yep
[15:43] <fsphil> one sec I'll check what it should be
[15:43] <NigeyS> my long is 3deg8.842 according tomy phone
[15:44] <WillDuckworth> yep, baguette and beer :)
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[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid YAY 25km
[15:46] <cuddykid> :)
[15:46] <cuddykid> nice WillDuckworth!!
[15:46] <fsphil> NigeyS, 51.486,-3.147
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid can you pause the balloon? I want to eat something
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:46] <NigeyS> kk cheers phil
[15:46] <cuddykid> when does everyone think I should head out? currently near launch site
[15:46] <jcoxon> cuddykid, the key will be the burst alt
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> OHH M5 landing
[15:46] <fsphil> since the prediction is quite near, I'd wait until burst
[15:47] <cuddykid> yeah, going to wait for a bit :)
[15:47] <gm8oti> gm4jtj thanks - still not a sausage here, and it's not the antenna, the Angus beacon is fine
[15:47] <cuddykid> target alt is 33000m
[15:47] <jcoxon> quite a slow ascent rate
[15:47] <jcoxon> so i expect about 33000m
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon did you see the videos?
[15:47] <cuddykid> jcoxon, yeah, last minute adjustment due to predictions
[15:47] <WillDuckworth> the handheld whip aerial isn't quite good enough here now
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> WillDuckworth did the pub owner ask: "What in the world are you doing?"
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:48] <fsphil> I can't get the whip here high enough to get over the buildings
[15:48] <NigeyS> my radios on the floor with the whip and still working..lol
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:49] <gm4jtj> gm8oti> if it was a cw signal I would have a job to read it!
[15:49] <gm4jtj> gm8oti shall i send a carrier??
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[15:51] <gm8oti> gm4jtj no it's OK, if I can't see it on the waterfall the hills are still in the way
[15:53] <gm4jtj> gm4oti I'm going off to play nfd.
[15:53] <cuddykid> progressing well
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[15:53] <cuddykid> soon 30km hopefully!
[15:54] <cuddykid> hmm, how come the predictor keeps fluctuating dramatically?
[15:55] <gm8oti> gm4jtj I've just checked the map and the Pentland summits are 4.75 degrees up from here!
[15:55] <gm8oti> oh he's gone ...
[15:56] <FutFutFut> Does anyone know the UK record altitude?
[15:56] <cuddykid> think it's about 36km
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> 36 km
[15:56] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: What is the payload weight and what neck lift did you go for in the end?
[15:56] <fsphil> FutFutFut, Nova 19 / Weasel - 36206 m
[15:56] <fsphil> set just a few weeks ago
[15:56] <cuddykid> payload is about 900g and went for about 1700g neck lift
[15:57] <cuddykid> target alt is 33000m
[15:57] <FutFutFut> Wow, nice an high
[15:57] <RocketBoy> cheers
[15:57] <FutFutFut> cuddykid: is it a standard balloon size?
[15:57] <fsphil> still a nice signal here
[15:57] <NigeyS> snap phil
[15:57] <NigeyS> decoding almost every line
[15:58] <NigeyS> ill never say a bad thing about whips again..lol
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[15:59] <NigeyS> jcoxon, is the clock wrong on the server ?
[16:00] <fsphil> hehe, see a bug there cuddykid , you're not padding the time :) 16:0:9
[16:00] <FutFutFut> RocketBoy: Neil here (helped out with various jcoxon / Rob launches). Would it be possible to have a look at your PIC code at some point please? Unfortunately I've lost your contact details
[16:01] <mattltm> Habe still up?
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[16:01] <NigeyS> yup
[16:01] <fsphil> very much mattltm
[16:01] <NigeyS> 29km
[16:01] <FutFutFut> Look sl;ike it
[16:01] <mattltm> Dial freq?
[16:01] <fsphil> 434.072.5 -ish
[16:01] <FutFutFut> 434073.9
[16:01] <fsphil> hmm
[16:01] <cuddykid> FutFutFut: 1000g balloon
[16:01] <fsphil> somewhere around there anyway
[16:02] <cuddykid> hopefully will break the 30km barrier!
[16:02] <fsphil> very near it now
[16:02] <FutFutFut> cuddykid: thanks
[16:02] <mattltm> got it. odd shift in dl though
[16:02] <fsphil> the shift is actually about 560hz
[16:03] <mattltm> looks like the autoconf not working for me.
[16:03] <fsphil> there you are, 30km!
[16:03] <cuddykid> woo!
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> 30000
[16:03] <FutFutFut> Congrats
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> Next up, 100,000 ft
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> 30480 m
[16:04] <fsphil> nice to break the 30km barrier
[16:04] <fsphil> :)
[16:04] <WillDuckworth> cuddykid, think we'l head to Wychbold/Upton Warren and see what happens..
[16:04] <fsphil> you're higher than hadie:1 now
[16:04] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth, yeah, good shout!
[16:04] <cuddykid> will head over too
[16:04] <mattltm> anyone know the manual settings for dl?
[16:05] <cuddykid> signing off now - off to chase
[16:05] <fsphil> 50 baud, 8-bit, no parity, 1.5 stop bits, 560hz shift
[16:05] <cuddykid> will head off towards droitwich
[16:05] <mattltm> Thanks fsphil :)
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid 100000 ft!
[16:06] <cuddykid> will try and keep you all updated :D
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[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> mattltm I got good news
[16:06] <mattltm> Got it. Very noisy though.
[16:06] <fsphil> nobody does ft anymore ;)
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:06] <mattltm> Lunar_Lander: pm me with it ;)
[16:06] <mattltm> Yes! Got a string :)
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[16:07] <mattltm> On the colinier too :)
[16:07] <fsphil> snaI love my colinear ;)
[16:07] <fsphil> er
[16:07] <fsphil> -sna
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[16:10] <fsphil> 32km
[16:10] <fsphil> beats hadie:3 :)
[16:11] <gm8oti> Yay! It's finally popped above my local horizon in Edinburgh!
[16:11] <fsphil> lol
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[16:11] <fsphil> what distance gm8oti ?
[16:12] <fsphil> it's almost exactly 400km from me atm
[16:12] Action: SpeedEvil is a little north of edinburgh :)
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> What's burst predicted at again?
[16:13] <fsphil> 33km
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> If you hadn't put a parachute on, it'd land on your head.
[16:15] <NigeyS> 33km
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:15] <fsphil> impressive!
[16:15] <NigeyS> dam phil u beat me
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> BTW
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> I'm recording off my screen with my camcorder
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:16] <gm8oti> fsphil I'm not very much further away than you, but my local horizon in that direction is 4.75 degrees up!
[16:16] <fsphil> gotta love the geography up there :)
[16:16] <fsphil> 33.3km -- beats hadie:2
[16:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: As long as it does not beat it in terms of landing altitude.
[16:17] <FutFutFut> 33.5km
[16:17] <fsphil> lol
[16:17] <NigeyS> lol
[16:17] <fsphil> so glad I never have to go back to that silly forest on that silly mountain :)
[16:18] <fsphil> I suspect the recovery team headed in the wrong direction
[16:18] <NigeyS> 34k
[16:19] <FutFutFut> not quite
[16:19] <gm8oti> fsphil getting partial decodes now - got the id on the last one
[16:19] <fsphil> almost
[16:19] <FutFutFut> 33.929
[16:19] <fsphil> yay
[16:19] <FutFutFut> 34,031
[16:19] <NigeyS> 34031
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> gm8oti: You got any strings?
[16:19] <fsphil> holy cow
[16:19] <FutFutFut> fantastic
[16:21] <NigeyS> if thiss goes to 36km i will eat the whip
[16:21] <fsphil> and post the video to youtube?
[16:21] <NigeyS> sure lol
[16:21] <fsphil> if it gets to 36km I'll eat a choclate cake
[16:22] <NigeyS> lol
[16:22] <NigeyS> 34.5 ...
[16:23] <fsphil> burst?
[16:23] <fsphil> nope
[16:23] <FutFutFut> nope
[16:23] <FutFutFut> still going
[16:24] <mattltm> Whats the current record? 32K?
[16:24] <fsphil> oh it was my radio
[16:24] <fsphil> just over 36km mattltm
[16:24] <mattltm> that the ukone?
[16:24] <fsphil> yea
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[16:24] <fsphil> the world record is about 39km
[16:24] <mattltm> http://ukhas.org.uk/uk_records
[16:24] <fsphil> for amateur launches
[16:24] <FutFutFut> 35010
[16:24] <FutFutFut> :)
[16:24] <mattltm> That needs to be updated then
[16:24] <fsphil> lol
[16:25] <fsphil> the absolute record is 60km by a japanese balloon
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah
[16:25] <FutFutFut> 5th uk record?
[16:25] <fsphil> mattltm, http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:26] <FutFutFut> 3rd place now
[16:26] <fsphil> they're currently third on the UK records
[16:26] <FutFutFut> just a bit higher
[16:26] <fsphil> poor rob
[16:26] <NigeyS> 35.2
[16:26] <gm8oti> Speedevil no complete ones yet - it takes a few characters to pick up, the packet number is mostly right, but the heights are mostly garbled. Odd.
[16:26] <fsphil> his record was beaten twice in two weeks :)
[16:26] <G3VZV> it must be getting warm up there the freq is going back down now!
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Heading there!
[16:27] <mattltm> That old page needs to be removed :)
[16:27] <FutFutFut> 2nd place
[16:27] <fsphil> wow
[16:27] <FutFutFut> WOW
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:27] <RocketBoy> seems to be doing the slowing ascent rate thing
[16:27] <jcoxon> hey
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> A fair way to get till the next one though :)
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> RocketBoy: yeah - it does
[16:28] <FutFutFut> only 820m to go
[16:28] <NigeyS> 35.4
[16:28] <fsphil> weird that
[16:28] <hibby> is the tracker auto predicting these days too?
[16:28] <RocketBoy> cuddykid - got your monies worth there cuddykid
[16:28] <FutFutFut> i take it slow is better? slow increase in presure
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> As the elastic limit of the balloon is reached, it starts compressing the gas inside more
[16:28] <jcoxon> hibby, if warned in advance yes
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Until the strain limit of the balloon is reached, and it bursts.
[16:29] <NigeyS> 35.52 .. i really dont wanna eat this whip ya know! lol
[16:29] <FutFutFut> 684m to go. fingers crossed
[16:29] <hibby> jcoxon: cool stuff. was trying to work out what the target was.
[16:29] <fsphil> muihahaha NigeyS
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> the burst symbol disappeared at about 33 km
[16:29] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yeah well it was working on a 33 burst
[16:29] <fsphil> signal fading
[16:29] <jcoxon> no use me changing it
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:30] <fsphil> very weak in Upu's place
[16:30] <fsphil> really strong here
[16:30] <fsphil> weird
[16:30] <jcoxon> fsphil, some sort of null on the antenna
[16:30] <NigeyS> 35313
[16:30] <fsphil> yea that's likely, they're both colinears
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[16:30] <FutFutFut> less than 500m to go
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[16:31] <fsphil> hiya cuddykid ;-)
[16:31] <cuddykid> hi all
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:31] <cuddykid> wow!!
[16:31] <FutFutFut> cuddykid: your first launch?
[16:31] <cuddykid> can't believe it
[16:31] <cuddykid> yeah
[16:31] <fsphil> you're 2nd place on the uk records
[16:31] <NigeyS> 35.7 .... lol
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> Prediction is still looking good!
[16:31] <cuddykid> i am 1/2 way to droitwich!
[16:31] Action: NigeyS gets the strawberry sauce
[16:31] <fsphil> mmm strawberry and antenna
[16:31] <cuddykid> will go back after burst
[16:32] <fsphil> if it bursts
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> Currently the prediction is right in the middle of a large tree. :)
[16:32] <fsphil> don't mention the T word!
[16:32] <SanSilver> lol
[16:32] <cuddykid> lol
[16:32] <NigeyS> 35823
[16:32] <fsphil> burst!
[16:32] <cuddykid> what's the record?
[16:32] <FutFutFut> 383m to go. very exciting this
[16:32] <FutFutFut> 36206
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> (but predictions are worthless at this alt)
[16:32] <fsphil> signals all over the place
[16:32] <NigeyS> burst
[16:32] <fsphil> she's coming down
[16:33] <NigeyS> yey no aerial eating for me
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:33] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: U have got your monies worth
[16:33] <FutFutFut> yep signal gone wobbly
[16:33] <fsphil> bah NigeyS
[16:33] <FutFutFut> burst
[16:33] <hibby> what we need is a bot that updates altitude/etc from the tracker
[16:33] <cuddykid> nice!
[16:33] <SanSilver> I zoomed in on Droitwich it seems to have a big puddle on it's doorstep!
[16:33] <cuddykid> right off!!
[16:33] <cuddykid> bye
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[16:33] <hibby> nice descent rate
[16:33] <G3VZV> look at the doppler:)
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> What's the fastest descent?
[16:33] <FutFutFut> got to 35824m
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> 65m/s isn't bad
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> wow new uk 1st and 2nd record in a week or so
[16:34] <fsphil> very impressive
[16:34] <FutFutFut> must be the nice weather for a change
[16:34] <NigeyS> excellent stuff
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Shows how damn thin the air is up there.
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> the second highest UK flight to date
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:34] <Laurenceb_> the superpressure effect is quite visible
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> It's coming home
[16:34] <Laurenceb_> on the altitude graph
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> that it slowed down?
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Yes
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> It looks like superpressure happens _right_ before burst
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Significant superpressure.
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> it would be cool to measure it directly
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> GEtting it to that point intentionally will be hard.
[16:35] <fsphil> prediction looks good
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Without a valve and a pressure senso
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> r
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil it dropped 10 km in 2 minutes or so
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Nice leisurely walk to the landing point?
[16:36] <NigeyS> lol
[16:36] <NigeyS> bbs
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> not really
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> some 7 km right now
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it's not _quite_ that close.
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> Have to jog.
[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[16:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:38] <fsphil> judging from that signal, the payload is spinning pretty hard
[16:38] <FutFutFut> so can anyone edit the records page?
[16:39] <FutFutFut> can i confirm that the max hight i saw of 35824m was correct?
[16:40] <FutFutFut> looks like the text isn't editable, perhaps in a database table elsewhere
[16:40] <FutFutFut> Congrats anyway
[16:40] <FutFutFut> and glad to have taken part in the tracking
[16:41] <fsphil> mattltm, you've locked the wiki page
[16:42] <mattltm> soz. Just adding HABE :)
[16:42] <fsphil> just about decoding here now
[16:43] <mattltm> Feel free to fix if I have screwid it up :)
[16:43] <fsphil> descent seems to be calming down :)
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[16:45] <SanSilver> cuddykid: great job kid
[16:46] <cuddykid> cheers
[16:46] <cuddykid> in little witley now
[16:46] <cuddykid> what do you guys suggest?
[16:46] <SanSilver> champers is my suggestion
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Find a nice pub, and have a drinky.
[16:47] <SanSilver> or at least a glass of bitters
[16:47] <cuddykid> fantastic launch :)
[16:47] <cuddykid> going to wait in little witley for the time being
[16:47] <cuddykid> have to get the binos out
[16:47] <fsphil> Signals gone from Cookstown
[16:48] <SanSilver> a bit south of lil witley is where my money is
[16:49] <SanSilver> air is a bit thicker now
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> cuddykid you are 2nd highest flight in the UK, and would have been 20th on the world record list
[16:53] <cuddykid> woo
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[16:53] <cuddykid> pulled over and receivng now
[16:53] <cuddykid> by little witley
[16:54] <jgrahamc> Just joining the fun
[16:54] <jgrahamc> Looks like a superb effort by cuddykid
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> The predictor is claiming it's not going that far. I'm not sure I believe it
[16:54] <cuddykid> :)
[16:54] <jgrahamc> Fantastic for a first flight over 35km!
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Does the predictor use the programmed or the current rate of decesnt?
[16:55] <Laurenceb_> it used to use the actual rate
[16:55] <Laurenceb_> not sure whats going on
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> predicted landing
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> is in a field!
[16:56] <fsphil> yay
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> w/o trees!
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:57] <SanSilver> Lunar_Lander: watch your tounge please not sooo much of the "T" word please!!
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[16:58] <SanSilver> tongue *
[16:58] <Laurenceb_> oh wait... does the predictor have the right atmospheric model?
[16:58] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if frog pool has an actual frog pool.
[16:58] <Laurenceb_> because its behaving as if its not moddeling density correctly
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:59] <fsphil> signal very weak now at Upu's place
[17:00] <fsphil> I don't think we're going to get any more positions
[17:00] <fsphil> no, got one
[17:02] <fsphil> woo, cuddykid is uploading
[17:02] <jgrahamc> Neat
[17:02] <jgrahamc> He's an A-level student, right?
[17:02] <Darkside> wow 35.8km altitude
[17:02] <Darkside> nice job!
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[17:03] <NigeyS> hey jgrahamc :)
[17:03] <Darkside> hey cuddykid
[17:03] <Darkside> good job on the flight!
[17:03] <jgrahamc> hey NigeyS
[17:03] <cuddykid> cheers
[17:03] <jgrahamc> How big was your balloon cuddykid?
[17:03] <cuddykid> 1000g
[17:03] <jgrahamc> Must have been a light payload
[17:04] <Darkside> almost down!
[17:04] <cuddykid> looks like need to move from little witley
[17:04] <Darkside> yerp
[17:05] <jgrahamc> Almost on the ground.
[17:06] <fsphil> I don't like to mention the T word
[17:06] <fsphil> but
[17:06] <Darkside> still a possibility
[17:06] <Darkside> but lots of field
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:07] <jgrahamc> It's overflying those trees at 2km.
[17:07] <fsphil> phew, cleared them
[17:07] <fsphil> prediction has it swinging back though
[17:07] <Darkside> hopefully they'll be able to get into that property fine
[17:07] <Darkside> we normally just ask for forgiveness after trespassing >_>
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:08] <cuddykid> hmm, about 4km away from landing
[17:08] <cuddykid> going to wait for a bit then go
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> and in the UK you don't need MAXTRAX
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:08] <Darkside> >_>
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[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> I showed a friend of mine the photo of your car in the sand road
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> she asked "Did they ever get the car out of there again?"
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> I said
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> "Yes! Because they had MAXTRAX!"
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:09] <fsphil> time to walk the mutt
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:11] <Laurenceb_> no more data?
[17:11] <jgrahamc> Looks like cuddykid has disconnected. Probably he's lost internet access.
[17:11] <jgrahamc> If it missed the trees it's going to be easy to find.
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[17:21] <FutFutFut> I need to get around to building a payload myself
[17:22] <FutFutFut> although I think i'd go for something cheap
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[17:33] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't look too bad an area, does it.
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[17:36] <Laurenceb_> did the cusf record flight have camera(s)?
[17:43] <Randomskk> yea
[17:43] <Randomskk> the nexus phone was taking pictures and video and we also had a canon stills camera
[17:43] <Randomskk> no news on recovery options though
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[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[18:11] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE1 has been recovered! Perfect landing in field - not damaged one bit! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87221935116779520]
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> wb RocketBoy
[18:12] <RocketBoy> Where aBouts? - felixstowe
[18:12] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE1 landing location geotag #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87222165342126080]
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> wb=welcome back
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[18:26] <RocketBoy> ah right - ta
[18:34] <G3VZV> great news - big congrats
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[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy I think today saw an excellent ascent
[18:50] <RocketBoy> yes - going for a slow ascent rate really paid off in altitude
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> and that superpressure effect we saw
[18:54] <RocketBoy> well a tendency to slow ascent rate before burst - yes
[18:55] <RocketBoy> as the rubber approaches its yield stress
[18:57] <RocketBoy> (i guess)
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[18:58] <cuddykid> hi all
[18:58] <cuddykid> have you heard the bad news?
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[18:59] <Darkside> no?
[18:59] <cuddykid> 0 photos
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah RocketBoy that I meant
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> damn!
[18:59] <cuddykid> not sure what went wrong
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> what a bad malfunction
[18:59] <cuddykid> chdk script started and sounded as though it was taking photos right before launch
[18:59] <RocketBoy> :-(
[18:59] <cuddykid> shutter sound was heard
[18:59] <cuddykid> but 0 photos
[19:00] <cuddykid> just got back, landed perfectly - no damage whatsoever
[19:00] <cuddykid> in a sheep field!
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:00] <cuddykid> not sure what went wrong with camera
[19:01] <cuddykid> camera seems completely bust also, all blury
[19:03] <Darkside> ok, just bought a phone which i'll be able to use in teh UK...
[19:04] <cuddykid> running the script again on camera to see if photos are taken
[19:04] <Darkside> cuddykid: a canon i take it?
[19:04] <Darkside> with CHDK
[19:04] <cuddykid> yep cannon 1570
[19:04] <cuddykid> *a570
[19:05] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:05] <cuddykid> ran it yesterday and was perfect
[19:05] <cuddykid> the buzzer also wasn't sounding when found
[19:06] <cuddykid> and the outside temp sensor didn't want to work below -3C
[19:06] <cuddykid> but telemetry wise - perfect
[19:07] <Darkside> ok, nn - 4:38am here...
[19:08] <SanSilver> you win some you lose some
[19:08] <SanSilver> g night Darkside
[19:08] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE1 - great flight apart from complete camera failure - recovered with 0 photos - trying to diagnose what went wrong now #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87236228767944704]
[19:08] <SanSilver> me 2 of to bed
[19:08] <SanSilver> byeee
[19:08] <cuddykid> SanSilver: yeah, night
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[19:11] <WillDuckworth> shame about the photos, good launch, good flight, good landing
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah cuddykid
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> but again congratulations to the 2nd highest UK flight!
[19:18] <cuddykid> cheers!
[19:18] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: we'll have to try again sometime!
[19:18] <cuddykid> running the camera script now
[19:18] <cuddykid> see if photos are taken
[19:18] <cuddykid> but appears as though the camera has damaged - photos extremely blury
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[19:19] <WillDuckworth> definitely trial and improvement, good stuff though
[19:21] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:21] <cuddykid> :)
[19:21] <cuddykid> bbl
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy still there?
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> and hi UpuMobile
[19:33] <RocketBoy> yep
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> I want to show you a video
[19:34] <RocketBoy> ok
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[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1qhdsRyKW0
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[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy did the video work?
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[19:51] <cuddykid> is there a way to save the kml file for the flight?
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[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy ?
[19:52] <RocketBoy> BB shortly
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:54] <cuddykid> camera is no longer blurred
[19:55] <cuddykid> when I found the camera it was freezing and had dew all over it
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> argh
[19:56] <cuddykid> cheers SpeedEvil, however no photos!
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> 0 photos - after analysing the card?
[19:56] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> I mean on a PC?
[19:56] <cuddykid> still not sure what happened
[19:56] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Tried 'photo rescue' tools?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> copy an image of the SD first
[19:57] <cuddykid> 3.94gb still left :(
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering if it's screwed up the FAT or something
[19:57] <cuddykid> hmm.. on mac?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> most SDs will be formatted as vgat
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> vfat
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> For cameras.
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[20:00] <RocketBoy_> Lunar_Lander: seems to work ok - cool
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[20:01] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: I mean it sound s overwhelmingly likely that it's been saving pics if it was making shitter noises. But it's possible it may not have updated the filesystem tables and directory entries as it crashed at altitude
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> Due to temp
[20:02] <cuddykid> possibly, however running the script now, it just shuts down after a certain point in the script..
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy yeah :)
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> LOOL the typo there SpeedEvil
[20:03] <cuddykid> I changed the time delay this morning from about wait for 15 mins to wait for ~17mins
[20:03] <cuddykid> bet there's a bug somewhere
[20:03] <cuddykid> camera shuts down after startup routine (before taking photos)
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> Don't write to the card! Try another one if you want to experiment - as you may be able to rescue saved images
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> If there are any of course.
[20:04] <cuddykid> ok :)
[20:04] <RocketBoy> BBL
[20:05] <cuddykid> running recovery program now
[20:05] <cuddykid> formatted FAT32 by the looks of it
[20:07] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil: is there a way to save the kml file permanently?
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> No idea, sorry
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> kml from what?
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> spacenear.us?
[20:13] <cuddykid> yeah, I've downloaded it but wondering whether the track will change when another payload comes online
[20:16] <cuddykid> payload still in tact though
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> yes, it will
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Read the file
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> you will see a URL - specifically
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> >http://spacenear.us/tracker/data.php?format=kml
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Get hat
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> that
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil cuddykid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJECVQrGtGs
[20:20] <cuddykid> nice Lunar_Lander :)
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> Where do I skip to for the explosions.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> brb
[20:23] <cuddykid> thanks SpeedEvil, works a treat :)
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:25] <cuddykid> nothing on the SD card
[20:25] <cuddykid> I think it was a script bug
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Oh well. Other than that - awesome flight. :)
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Did you try the camera script first?
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[20:32] <Laurenceb_> for loops in c, they always run once?
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Umm - what?
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> for(i=0;i<0;i++)
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> for(initialisation;condition;endybit)
[20:33] <cuddykid> SpeedEvil - tried it yesterday, but then coded an extra few mins wait in (extra 2 mins) this morning - which appears to be problem
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> They run if the condition is true
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> oh
[20:33] <cuddykid> http://pastebin.com/TFw3XdTs
[20:33] <cuddykid> that's the code
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> dont they chaeck after looping?
[20:34] <Laurenceb_> hence always run once?
[20:34] <cuddykid> around 155 is where it randomly shuts down
[20:34] <cuddykid> *line 155
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> it's befor
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> for(whatever;0;whatever)print
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> will never execute
[20:36] <griffonbot> @steamfire: @ethanharstad oh slowly this summer, not too many ppl, but now active group working on sat modem code #UKHAS #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/87258239686807553]
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> ah yes i see
[20:37] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: watched the whole vid, very good!
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> thanks cuddykid :)
[20:42] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Very pleased with todays #HABE1 flight apart from disastrous camera failure! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/87259921413980160]
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[21:05] <Laurenceb_> hmm this is interesting - more pitot experiments
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> if i turn down the pga gain the noise decreases, but not by much at the high gain settings
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> at 1x gain im seeing ~1lsb noise
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> its looking like inductively coupled noise into the pressure sensor thats leaking through the band pass filter on the adc
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> probably seeing gain saturation at the high frequencies the noise leaks it at
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[21:11] <RocketBoy> anyone got any experiance of getting the dl-fldigi chase car functionality working on a mac?
[21:13] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesw-bell/5672402992/in/set-72157626440395060
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[21:18] <SpeedEvil> Lies!
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[21:33] <Laurenceb_> im going to try dead bugging an 0402 100nf cap directly onto the side of the adc
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[21:35] <Laurenceb_> guess this is a fundamental issue with delta sigma adcs - they pick up really high frequency noise quite easily
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> I'd have thought unless you were unlucky, the correlation should pull that out
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> well its delta sigma + switched cap filter
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> from the datasheet it seems to alias down frequencies at integer multiples of 15KHz
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> with a quick inductive pickup probe i made for my scope, i see ~2mv rms over serveral mhz bandwidth around the sensor
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Huge, I guess
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> easily enough to give 10uv noise
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> if you let through 15hz every 15khz
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> - factor sqrt(1000) reduction for white noise
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> its the stm32 chucking out all the noise
[21:39] <Laurenceb_> well most of it
[21:40] <Laurenceb_> i didnt rtfm :P never spotted the aliasing graphs in the datasheet
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> More bypassing of the stm?
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> To reduce circulating currents?
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> the proper way to do thise would be a sealed metla package for the pressure
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> its not possible really to avoid the inductive effects
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> I guess most people really don't care about c ouple of pascals of noise
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> the caps are right up to the package, so its just the size of the package
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[21:44] <Laurenceb_> apparently you can detect a 10kT nuclear blast from 1000km with a few pascals
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[21:49] <SpeedEvil> Especially with many sensors
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> I still want to know if my idea for silencing will work
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Take a massive evacuated cavern, Drop salt from the top so that the cavern is filled with about 30% salt, and then explode a bomb in the middle
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> The latent heat of the salt vapourising and then the three/four phase flow will efficiently slow the shock.
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> give kim jung il a ring and try
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> Also - if you put styrofoam round the bomb, with a size sufficient to contain the initial fireball, yuou only get a single flash
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[22:01] <NigeyS> Laurenceb
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[22:01] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/5j993b ... make sense ?
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> just a sec, busy
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[22:12] <Laurenceb_> what is this?
[22:14] <NigeyS> energy density of a vacum using hubbles law and the FRW equation
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[22:19] <Laurenceb_> hmm afraid i avoided cosmology at all costs
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> too confusing :P
[22:20] <NigeyS> lol its a touch confusing, i cant see how prof susskind can replace the right side of the equation with H^2 as a constant when the energy density changes with time :|
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> my only understanding of it is its massively large
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> and that encourages various crackpots who claim they can extract it :P
[22:22] <NigeyS> that about sums it up hehe
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[22:32] <NigeyS> hey kev
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[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> I want to show you my newest video
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJECVQrGtGs
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[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS seen it?
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[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil-laptop
[23:11] <fsphil-laptop> hiya Lunar_Lander
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the spacenear.us video?
[23:14] <fsphil-laptop> did, nice description
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[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[23:34] <UpuMobile> evening
[23:35] <UpuMobile> looks like a sucessful flight
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> but cuddykid said that the cam has taken no pics
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> or the SD hasn't recorded any
[23:37] <UpuMobile> oh damn
[23:37] <UpuMobile> still 2nd highest
[23:38] <simhed> how high did it go?
[23:38] <UpuMobile> the remote thingy seemed to work well too fsphil
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> He changed the chdk just before launch
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> To add a large initial delay
[23:38] <UpuMobile> baddd :)
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> I guess it powered off.
[23:38] <UpuMobile> 35824 m simhed
[23:38] <simhed> impressive
[23:38] <UpuMobile> 2nd highest http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[23:39] <simhed> i launched last sunday
[23:39] <simhed> http://vimeo.com/25887365
[23:39] <simhed> both tracking systems failed
[23:39] <simhed> hoping for someone to find it
[23:39] <simhed> i think the antenna detached itself from gps module
[23:39] <UpuMobile> where from ?
[23:40] <simhed> at some point i was getting same data in a loop
[23:40] <simhed> poland
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[23:40] <UpuMobile> shame :/
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> simhed: :(
[23:41] <simhed> yeah.. i'm launching again in august
[23:41] <simhed> maybe i'll have more luck then
[23:41] <UpuMobile> let us know
[23:41] <UpuMobile> see if we can't get you some recievers to assist
[23:42] <UpuMobile> ok I need to hit the sack its late here
[23:42] <UpuMobile> grats cuddykid
[23:42] <UpuMobile> night o7
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