highaltitude.log.20110619

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[00:37] <Darkside> my payload is still going...
[00:37] <Darkside> battery voltae sitting at 5.2v
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[08:07] <SamSilver> bbl
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[09:54] <fsphil> any word on that launch yesterday? it didn't seem to be doing much on the tracker
[09:55] <Darkside> yeah, i never saw it move
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[11:14] <SamSilver> NewsBot: Reports of Africa (also known as New Zealand) and Ireland are moving towards each other and could well swop positions - source fsphil
[11:14] <Darkside> what
[11:14] <Darkside> oh
[11:15] <SamSilver> last night
[11:15] <SamSilver> fsphil: transposed lat and long
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[11:20] <SamSilver> afk
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[11:55] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2011/06/17/devboard-deal-ti-experimenter-board-for-15-50-off
[11:55] <Laurenceb_> ^nice
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[15:55] <chesc> hello?
[15:55] <fsphil> hiya chesc
[15:55] <chesc> how are you?
[15:56] <fsphil> not to bad thanks, yourself?
[15:56] <chesc> excellent! I will finish studying soon so i will have time to build my ballon
[15:57] <fsphil> excellent
[15:57] <fsphil> what are you hoping to fly?
[15:57] <chesc> I do have a question if you have the time?
[15:58] <fsphil> I might not be able to answer, but someone here might - though it's quiet evening here today :)
[15:58] <chesc> :)
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[15:59] <chesc> I seem to remember a while back, reading that the UKHAS has two fields with some sort of arrangement with the authorities resulting in red tape
[16:00] <chesc> (some one on the google groups has asked about good sites in the uk to fly from)
[16:00] <fsphil> those'll be the two sites near Cambridge
[16:01] <chesc> *resulting in less red tape
[16:01] <chesc> hehe
[16:02] <fsphil> Yes, they have an arrangement with the CAA - all they need to do is talk with ATC the day before I think
[16:02] <fsphil> whereas other places you have to apply for the notam - and that can take at least 28 days
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[16:07] <fsphil> wb chesc_
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[16:32] <Laurenceb_> can anyone here help me with makefiles?
[16:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Richard Jay "[UKHAS] Re: Launch location"
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[17:01] <SamSilver> bbl
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[17:14] <kristianpaul> morning
[17:15] <kristianpaul> btw, what are the usual transfer rates when sending telemetry from hihgaltitude?
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[17:23] <SpeedEvil> 50bps is common
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> here, at least
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> We get ~500km to a moderate antenna, on a good reciever with 10mW
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[18:02] <fsphil> 300 baud is also possible, but needs better antennas
[18:02] <russss> 50 baud is better near the ground
[18:03] <russss> which is kind of where you need the telemetry the most
[18:12] <cuddykid> got a question for you all.. been thinking about creating a glider to autopilot back (another wacky idea!).. the 1st issue I've thought of (among many others) is whether the wings made of styrofoam would survive the pull back after free falling, building up speed and entering into denser air?
[18:12] <cuddykid> with the cold temps as well.. this risk may be amplified
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[18:15] Action: Laurenceb_ is having makefile issues
[18:15] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/dVDssivc <- can anyone here help me with that?
[18:16] <Laurenceb_> line97 im trying to make a target specific variable
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> its not working - line 95 is applying to everything
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> nvm works now
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[19:53] Action: Laurenceb_ has dactyl imu working outside
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> crazy stable - quaternion is ~0.1degree rms noise
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> using proper gps input now
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> annoyingly the fact G isnt correct causes a vertical velocity of ~50cm/s
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> 0.1 degree!!!
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[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Wacky.
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[19:57] <SpeedEvil> At that point, you have to take notice of solar influences on the magnetic field.
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> heh
[19:58] <Laurenceb_> its annoying me rather atm
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> i cant get faster than 100hz - even using -O3
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> fixed point?
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> O3 should help - certainly the flash use increases
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> but it doesnt run faster...
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> IIRC the branch penalties on the stm are tiny, compared to 'normal' desktop processors
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> Where -O3 may help mode
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> i see
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> seems Os is just as fast
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> also baro wrecks the filter... something is rather wrong there
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> the G issue would seriously much up a flight
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> aiui as openpilot uses adxl345 with norrible drift the issue is masked by accel drift causing all three vel axes ot be screwed
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> hence their 16 component ekf with accel bias
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> i think better G estimation could sort this - the x and y axes have a few cm/s offset
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> hang on... the ekf has 200 times more velocity noise is the gps vertical axis...
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> maybe they use d(altitude)/d(t)
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy fsphil NigeyS
[20:13] <RocketBoy> yo
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:14] <RocketBoy> NigeyS : - did you do your launch?
[20:14] <NigeyS> hey Kev
[20:14] <NigeyS> not yet steve
[20:15] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: good - just making a box to put my tracker in.
[20:15] <fsphil> g'day Lunar_Lander
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:16] <RocketBoy> NigeyS: cool no probs - just thought I'd missed it
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS you are preparing for launch?
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> excellent
[20:16] <NigeyS> ahh noo, had to devote some time to other things :(
[20:16] <NigeyS> will be a pico launch soon kev yup
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> the one from the bag?
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:17] <RocketBoy> thats the way it goes
[20:17] <NigeyS> RocketBoy, yup, ill aim for the end of the month if i can though
[20:17] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: are you a licensed radio amateur
[20:18] <RocketBoy> ?
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> not yet, sorry
[20:18] <RocketBoy> Ah - I was going to ask some questions about the German amateur licence regs.
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> you can ask anyway, maybe I can help
[20:19] <RocketBoy> like is airborne operation allowed?
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:19] <RocketBoy> I guessed it was form recent conversations
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:20] <cuddykid> arghh, common David, send me my NOTAM!
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> there will be a launch on the Ham Radio 2011 fair
[20:20] <RocketBoy> also there is a history of amateur radio balloon flights going way back - ARTOB
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> APRS TX: 144.800, 200mW, F3E
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> Voice, APRS, PR TX: 145.200, 200mW, F3E
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> TX: 439.600, 100mW, F3E
[20:21] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: I am right in thinking you worked on an autonomous return vehicle at some point?
[20:21] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: I had an email from him recently indicating he is very busy
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy ARTOB is in germany?
[20:22] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: yeah, I emailed him a few weeks back and he said he was busy, launch period starts in about a week & 1/2 though, so running it fine!
[20:22] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: IIRC - going back to 1969 i believe
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> because ILMARI in Finland does flights since 1967
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> or did
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> they did the first ARHAB flight in the world
[20:23] <RocketBoy> yeah - it was a pre-cursor to the OSCAR series of amateur satellites IIRC
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:24] <RocketBoy> I think they used to fly the satellite transponder on a balloon first.
[20:24] <RocketBoy> Just about the same time as I started amateur radio
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> do you have more questions?
[20:31] <RocketBoy> nope - that was mainly it - I was wondering why it was allowed in Germany and not the UK given we are both CEPT contries
[20:33] <RocketBoy> I'm guessing there are some restrictions on power/frequency for airborne operation?
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> that I don't know of the top of my head
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[20:34] <RocketBoy> np
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS what is your status?
[20:42] <NigeyS> huh?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> of the balloon :)
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> do you think you'll fly soon?
[20:44] <NigeyS> oh, yeah it should be soon for both launches
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[21:13] <Moof1> hello! does anyone know if I can email the CAA application form or does it have to be mailed?
[21:14] <fsphil> you can email it to them .. the (incorrect) address should be at the top of the form?
[21:15] <Moof1> okay great, that seems more convenient
[21:15] <Moof1> thank you!
[21:15] <fsphil> this is it: ausops@caa.co.uk
[21:15] <Moof1> okay yeah that's a little different
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[21:16] <Moof1> thanks, I appreciate it
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