highaltitude.log.20110606

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[07:15] <eroomde> morning all
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[10:10] <fsphil> hehe, gotta love ebay: Item location: Spain, United Kingdom
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[10:37] <SpeedEvil> Gibraltar?
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> (but probably not)
[10:41] <fsphil> Canary Islands from the address
[10:43] <fsphil> looking at the Wouxun handheld radios. the guy who joined the chase on saturday had one, was pretty nifty for the price
[10:44] <Darkside> yeah they work pretty well
[10:44] <Darkside> got a few friends with them
[10:44] <Darkside> i still prefer my T90 :P
[10:47] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: Balloon just arrived! Thanks :D
[10:48] <fsphil> oh I've got one cuddykid, slightly used :)
[10:49] <cuddykid> fsphil: balloon?! Burst?!
[10:49] <fsphil> it's a shame they can't be melted down and reformed
[10:49] <fsphil> very burst cuddykid, and comes with a free tree
[10:49] <cuddykid> lol, I'll pass on that one thanks ;) haha
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[10:49] <cuddykid> is your payload waterproof, as I guess it faced quite a downpour yesterday?!
[10:50] <fsphil> not exactly no
[10:51] <cuddykid> eek
[10:51] <fsphil> was quite a shower yesterday, the road outside here was flooded
[10:51] <fsphil> the SD card should be pretty snug inside the camera
[10:51] <Darkside> SD cards can survive a lot
[10:51] <Darkside> problem will be if it gets wet while turned on
[10:51] <fsphil> depends on which way it landed though, if the camera is facing down then the no water should get to it
[10:52] <fsphil> the battery will have been well flat before it started raining
[10:52] <Darkside> mm
[10:52] <fsphil> hopefully the lens retracted automatically - it might still be useable
[10:53] <nelly11> hi. I can't very well understand the concept of recommended free lift of a balloon. I know it is Gross_lift - balloon_mass - payload_mass. Is there any usefulness asssociated with this number?
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> The missing factor is free lift - aerodynamic drag = 0
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> Free lift, and the type of balloon (really the diameter) sets the ascent rate.
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> And also burst height.
[10:55] <nelly11> ty :)
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[11:31] <Laurenceb> are there any high melting point waxes?
[11:31] <Laurenceb> is casting wax higher melting point than candle wax?
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> Typically.
[11:35] <Laurenceb> http://www.exmoorcastingsupplies.co.uk/display.asp?product=17
[11:35] <Laurenceb> ah i see - ~70C
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> There are all sorts of various waxes for casting.
[11:35] <Laurenceb> i was thinking for encapsulating the tcxo no my fsa03
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> These both have higher (or lower) melting points, and varying properties as you melt them.
[11:35] <Laurenceb> but its a bit of a pita to get wax especially for it
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> Shrinkage, and the range from fully molten to solid.
[11:36] <Laurenceb> i could use epoxy, but its a bit perminant
[11:36] <Laurenceb> the fsa03 gets pretty toasty
[11:37] <Laurenceb> and it seems air circulation cools the tcxo and causes large velocity shifts
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gelflex-Remeltable-Moulding-Rubber-1Kg-Flexible-/230598081991?pt=UK_Crafts_Other_Crafts_EH&hash=item35b0b77dc7
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> also
[11:39] <Laurenceb> hmm thats a thought
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[11:39] <Laurenceb> silicone would work
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> It's not silicone
[11:39] <Laurenceb> or hot melt glue
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> You can melt it off easily
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[11:40] <Laurenceb> yeah i wanted removable
[11:40] <Laurenceb> guess ill try hot melt glue
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> The above is cheap, and good - I have similar stuff - the vinamould mentioned
[11:40] <Laurenceb> its probably not as good as wax - wax is perfect for this
[11:40] <Laurenceb> high heat capacity low thermal conductivity
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[11:41] <SpeedEvil> It's broadly similar to wax, but rubbery.
[11:41] <Laurenceb> i see
[11:41] <Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/raw/master/Hardware/Assembly/photo1.JPG
[11:42] <Laurenceb> the tcxo is right next to the ic - it gets heated quite a lot
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> The regulator you mean?
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[11:42] <Laurenceb> on the gps
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> I mean the regulator off the GPS heats it?
[11:43] <Laurenceb> no - the ublox ic heats it
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:43] <Laurenceb> that big regulator is just for the servos
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[12:04] <Darkside> COME ONNNNN
[12:04] <Darkside> fracking ionosondes
[12:05] <Darkside> i need a pretty picture for my gap presentation :<
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[12:18] <cuddykid> anyone know of any pcb creator software for mac?
[12:18] <cuddykid> easy to use would also be a big plus!
[12:19] <W0OTM> Hello
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[12:21] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/ABBz3.png
[12:21] <Darkside> woot
[12:22] <Laurenceb> whats that?
[12:22] <Darkside> an ionosonde sweep
[12:22] <Darkside> well, part of one
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[12:33] <Upu> hey cuddykid did you get those DS1821's working ?
[12:35] <eroomde> cuddykid: eagle
[12:37] <Darkside> eew eagle
[12:37] <Darkside> eagle is NOT easy to use
[12:37] <Darkside> altium designer is easy to use :-)
[12:40] <eroomde> free version?
[12:40] <Darkside> lol no
[12:40] <Darkside> well, yes
[12:40] <Darkside> pirated
[12:40] <Darkside> >_>
[12:40] <Darkside> i'm biased though, they taught is altium designer at uni, and basically all the electronics companies in australia use it
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[13:05] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/BallooMerang_logo_2.jpg
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I like that better
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[13:06] <Darkside> you what
[13:06] <Darkside> bloody boomerands
[13:06] <Darkside> boomerangs*
[13:07] <Darkside> i could NEVER get them to come back to me
[13:07] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: you like that better?
[13:07] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: less "busy"
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:07] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: we started flight test this weekend
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:07] <W0OTM> SpeedEvil: getting REALLY excited
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> This is a little glider isn't it.
[13:08] <W0OTM> yeah
[13:08] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about weight-shift boomerangs.
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[13:18] <cuddykid> eroomde: thanks, will have a look at this altium designer too :)
[13:19] <Darkside> cuddykid: its windows only
[13:19] <Darkside> but soooooo sexy
[13:19] <cuddykid> Upu, got the DS18S21's working yeah :)
[13:19] <cuddykid> hmm, could run it in the vmware fusion though so not a huge issue
[13:19] <Darkside> yeah, thats what i do
[13:20] <cuddykid> is it easier than eagle to use then?
[13:20] <Darkside> well, i'm biased
[13:20] <Darkside> so i'll say yes
[13:20] <cuddykid> haha
[13:20] <Darkside> i've tried to use eagle and failed
[13:20] <Darkside> the interface pissed me off
[13:20] <Dan-K2VOL> Hahahaha Darkside eagle's interface is a pile of steaming poo
[13:21] <Dan-K2VOL> But it's so free and popular
[13:21] <Laurenceb> interface is better than kicad
[13:21] <Darkside> i think its only popular because it's free
[13:21] <cuddykid> oooooo WWDC soon, hopefully there will be some gems in iOS 5
[13:22] <Dan-K2VOL> Well, several others are free and worse - freepcb for example too
[13:22] <Darkside> heh
[13:22] <Darkside> i've just been brought up with altium designer, so i'm sticking to it
[13:22] <Darkside> plus my future workplace uses it
[13:22] <W0OTM> WWDC today, or tomorrow?
[13:22] <cuddykid> W0OTM, keynote with Jobs is today
[13:22] <cuddykid> 1pm EST
[13:22] <W0OTM> cool
[13:22] <W0OTM> thx
[13:22] <cuddykid> no probs :)
[13:23] <Dan-K2VOL> I never get much work done on keynote days
[13:23] <cuddykid> neither haha
[13:23] <eroomde> stopped caring
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[13:26] <cuddykid> I need to get onto David Miller
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[13:47] <Upu> hey cuddykid any chance you could share the code
[13:47] <Upu> see where we went wrong
[13:48] <cuddykid> yep, i'll post the whole flight code to paste bin
[13:48] <cuddykid> the temp bits are commented out
[13:49] <cuddykid> Upu: http://pastebin.com/HRLFmLcg
[13:49] <cuddykid> not using dallas library though
[13:49] <Upu> thxc
[13:50] <cuddykid> Just heard back from David Miller, wow that was quick!
[13:50] <cuddykid> here's what he had to say...
[13:50] <cuddykid> "Your application is awaiting processing, because at this time of year my
[13:50] <cuddykid> workload is very high. I am currently working on applications for
[13:50] <cuddykid> mid-June, so it will probably be another 10-14 days before I start
[13:50] <cuddykid> processing the July applications."
[13:50] <cuddykid> Hopefully mine will get processed shortly then :)
[13:51] <eroomde> his work load is always very high
[13:51] <cuddykid> lol
[13:51] <WillDuckworth> he's usually pretty quick
[13:51] <cuddykid> sent mine off over 2 months ago
[13:51] <cuddykid> for early july
[13:51] <Dan-K2VOL> Is that for launch permission cuddykid?!
[13:51] <cuddykid> yeah Dan-K2VOL
[13:51] <Dan-K2VOL> Yikes that sucks
[13:52] <cuddykid> indeed!
[13:52] <eroomde> he will do it today iuw
[13:52] <eroomde> that's just a smokescreen of bs
[13:52] <Dan-K2VOL> Haha
[13:52] <cuddykid> iuw ?
[13:52] <cuddykid> lol
[13:52] <eroomde> if you want
[13:52] <cuddykid> ohh right
[13:52] <eroomde> but don't if you don't have to
[13:52] <cuddykid> hmm, I'll give him 14 days then get onto him again
[13:53] <cuddykid> need to sort out helium now.. can't believe the cost!
[13:54] <eroomde> yes, it's expensive
[13:54] <cuddykid> I'll email around and see what good quotes I can get
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[13:55] <WillDuckworth> BOC is reasonable - you just have to do a monthly directdebit on the loan of the bottle
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[13:57] Action: SpeedEvil wonders how easy a sotrage for helium that'd last a couple of months would be.
[13:58] <eroomde> a cylinder?
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> yeah - without rental charges
[14:00] <Laurenceb> when i last looked air products was hceaper
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[14:06] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=9680 :)
[14:08] <BrainDamage> I don't get it, mind explaining?
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> read out loud
[14:09] <Laurenceb> hydrogen peroxide
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[14:09] <BrainDamage> ah, didn't get the sound trick, thanks
[14:11] <Laurenceb> http://fatpita.net/?i=7382
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Looks like it's from the onion
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> http://store.theonion.com/
[14:12] <BrainDamage> I have to link this next time the overunity guys comes back http://fatpita.net/?i=7285
[14:15] <mixio> Hi all
[14:16] <mixio> thats me http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254319_1782250160857_1377549819_1644732_1514048_n.jpg
[14:16] <mixio> stupid army is going to end
[14:17] <eroomde> looks like you get to do some nice walks
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[16:45] <SamSilver> bbl
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[17:01] <W0OTM> WWDC webcast?
[17:02] <W0OTM> live audio?
[17:02] <natrium42> is there?
[17:03] <natrium42> W0OTM looking for money to spend, eh? :D
[17:06] <Hibby> "The Royal Bank of Scotland have managed to loose more money than an Epileptic in an Auction" snigger....
[17:08] <natrium42> *lose
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[17:11] <Hibby> natrium42: that also
[17:11] <natrium42> :)
[17:12] <natrium42> whoa, sjobs is getting even thinner
[17:13] <Hibby> speaking of apple... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQkeKbTP_w too good for kids
[17:14] <natrium42> hehe
[17:14] <cuddykid> W0OTM: no webcast
[17:15] <cuddykid> just getting updates through macrumors and engadget
[17:16] <Hibby> xbox360 IPTV expansion is nice
[17:16] <Hibby> but then, I'm finding everything microsoft are doing at the moment pretty exciting
[17:16] <fsphil> scary eh>
[17:16] <fsphil> ?
[17:20] <Hibby> lol
[17:22] <Hibby> Apple's Mission Control looks a lot like what's happening in gnome 3/where it's going
[17:27] <cuddykid> like the resume / auto save feature - neat
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[17:34] <mixio> my board was working at 3v3 with AA alkalines for about 10 hrs
[17:34] <Dan-K2VOL> I've never found much use for spaces, I always forget where everything is
[17:35] <mixio> i guess it is a success
[17:35] <Dan-K2VOL> Sounds good mixio
[17:35] <Dan-K2VOL> Where are you from
[17:35] <mixio> a small country with a big debt :(
[17:36] <cuddykid> Dan-K2VOL: me neither, used it for a week or so then got bored
[17:36] <cuddykid> the lion server should be good too
[17:38] <Dan-K2VOL> cuddy kid yeah, I think we could use better ONscreen window management- sort of like windows now will help you split the screen up into two side-by-side windows
[17:38] <cuddykid> oh wow, $29 isn't bad
[17:39] <Dan-K2VOL> however Web 2.0 websites these days seem to all assume you have about 2000 pixels of width, and do not gracefully handle being half-screen width. Twitter and google products are terrible for that
[17:39] <cuddykid> however 4GB download! eeeek, will take a reasonable amount of time on my connection!
[17:39] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting
[17:39] <cuddykid> Dan-K2VOL: yeah
[17:46] <cuddykid> wooo, finally decent notifications on iOS
[17:48] <Dan-K2VOL> Last night I got a spring-loaded water-cutdown to work with a 3.2kg payload
[17:48] <Dan-K2VOL> all while weighing about 25g
[17:49] <cuddykid> wow
[17:50] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm going to post video later tonight, but it was a spring that was compressed and tied down with about 10 loops of PVA thread. The spring was on one leg of a U-shaped pin
[17:50] <cuddykid> nice work!
[17:50] <Dan-K2VOL> Both legs of the pin went through a 1cm aluminum tube, and the payload rope hung on the pin
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[17:51] <Dan-K2VOL> When squirted with water it took 10 seconds for the PVA to dissolve, and the pin was ejected at a very high rate of speed, in about 1/30th of a second
[17:52] <cuddykid> sounds great! can't wait for the vid :)
[17:53] <Dan-K2VOL> The spring was a simple binder clip
[17:54] <Dan-K2VOL> :-) more tweaking remains, but I'm trying to keep it simple so anyone can replicate it, and cheap so I can just make a bunch and send them to people who don't want to make them. We must not let trees ruin our hobby!
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[17:55] <Dan-K2VOL> I need to add more PVA to hold the pin securely in during the normal jostling of flight, and need to protect it from small amounts of water in clouds and flight rain
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[17:56] <cuddykid> haha yeah!! trees are going to be the ruination!
[17:56] <cuddykid> but Dan-K2VOL to the rescue haha
[17:59] <cuddykid> ooo.. i like that ... iOS reminds you about things when you cross a "geo-fence"
[18:00] <Dan-K2VOL> I am glad for that one, I've tried many apps for that, and they're all not so good
[18:00] <cuddykid> yeah, that's better than the other features so far
[18:02] <cuddykid> hahaha, they just stole the camera mods from the jailbreak apps
[18:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Well, Apple likes to wait until its good and ready to release things, it's not rushed by mere obvious desires of consumers :-P
[18:04] <cuddykid> yeah, the jailbreaking community is going to get smaller and smaller as apple keeps adding more of the jailbreak features
[18:05] <Hibby> lol
[18:05] <Hibby> they employed the dude that made the most popular jailbreak notifications app
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[18:05] <Hibby> they seem to be pretty good at picking up what consumers are after
[18:05] <BrainDamage> except they'll add root
[18:05] <BrainDamage> so jailbreaking will continue happening :p
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[18:06] <BrainDamage> they'll never add*
[18:06] <cuddykid> indeed, which is good for everyone :P haha
[18:06] <cuddykid> thats jailbreaking btw
[18:06] <fsphil-laptop> you shouldn't *have* to hack your own phone :)
[18:07] <BrainDamage> go explain that to 99% of the phone makers
[18:07] <BrainDamage> I had to hack my own android phone to get root
[18:07] <Hibby> cuddykid: nah, jailbreaking is breaking the chroot jail, rooting is getting root, no?
[18:07] <BrainDamage> the open phones are a tiny exception
[18:07] <BrainDamage> you cannot achieve the second without doing the first
[18:07] <fsphil-laptop> I got a freerunner -- gives you root, but they forgot about the working phone bit
[18:08] <Elwell> hmm I take it this is wwdc related?
[18:08] <cuddykid> Hibby: with jailbreak, you can get root access
[18:08] <Hibby> Elwell: what else would HAB enthusiasts talk about
[18:08] <Elwell> is there a summary to date? cba trying to filter twitter
[18:08] <cuddykid> Elwell: http://www.macrumorslive.com/
[18:08] <cuddykid> or engadget
[18:08] <BrainDamage> because you build the jail so that no root permission escalation should be obtainable
[18:08] <Hibby> cuddykid: indeed, but it's not direct effect of jailbreaking, it's only an option that is regularly taken.
[18:08] <Hibby> isn't it?
[18:09] <cuddykid> not sure
[18:09] <Hibby> im curious as to what PC free is
[18:09] <cuddykid> software updates over air
[18:09] <cuddykid> FINALLY! haha
[18:09] <Hibby> and on device activation
[18:09] <fsphil-laptop> over the air? like wifi?
[18:09] <cuddykid> no more plugging into computer
[18:09] <fsphil-laptop> oooooh via the mobile network
[18:09] <cuddykid> think so fsphil
[18:09] <Hibby> and delta updates
[18:10] <Hibby> \o/
[18:10] <BrainDamage> that's not necessarily a good thing >_>
[18:10] <BrainDamage> esp if they find the signature key
[18:10] <BrainDamage> read: turn hordes of phones into botnet
[18:10] <cuddykid> I notice nothing about ping has been mentioned... they will want to let that one go quietly lol
[18:11] <Hibby> i suspect so
[18:11] <Elwell> hmm have twitter ipo's now they're 'integrated' into ios?
[18:11] <Dan-K2VOL> Ha cuddykid yeah ping, I can't believe they bothered with that
[18:11] <cuddykid> was a big fail, very un apple like haha
[18:12] <Dan-K2VOL> I heard that last year they didn't like FaceBook's privacy policy, so they had to put Ping together instead of integrating with facebook
[18:12] <Hibby> Dan-K2VOL: no one like's facebook's PP
[18:12] <cuddykid> oh hello.. this looks like a bbm
[18:12] <Dan-K2VOL> I
[18:12] <cuddykid> "iMessage" .. eek
[18:12] <Elwell> notification centre looks v prowl'y
[18:13] <cuddykid> indeed imessage the iphone bbm
[18:13] <Hibby> looks like I sold the BB at the right time
[18:13] <Hibby> bbm ws the reason I got so much for it
[18:13] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:13] <cuddykid> a lot of hype around bbm
[18:13] <Hibby> now that everyone can has a version, it devalues it
[18:13] <Hibby> "I can bbm the girlfriend" "but you have unlimited texts" "yeah, but bbm is better"
[18:14] <cuddykid> but with the ultd text message packages, I don't see why its such a big thing
[18:14] <cuddykid> indeed hibby!
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[18:14] <Hibby> I liked it for messaging my canadian/yank chums
[18:14] <Hibby> and facebook on blackberry is a thing of pure beauty
[18:14] <Hibby> but I have decided I no longer like my data finding ~ I want to go looking for it
[18:15] <Dan-K2VOL> Wow lot of cool stuff, I am very glad for the lock screen camera access
[18:16] <cuddykid> agreed, waste a lot of time when the photo opp is only around for a few secs
[18:17] <sbasuita> evening
[18:18] <Dan-K2VOL> The OTA software updates will be nice, i have to visit my grandmother-in-law with my laptop every few months to update her iPad
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[18:18] <Dan-K2VOL> Wifi sync to itunes. Wow
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> damn only dev version out today
[18:21] <cuddykid> :(
[18:22] <cuddykid> they'll announce the iphone 5 when they're about to release iOS5
[18:22] <cuddykid> that's my bet anyway
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[18:22] <Elwell> or the silver / chrome version
[18:25] <cuddykid> oh wow.. this icloud also seems to be sounding quite good
[18:28] <Elwell> http://twitpic.com/57rfi6 :-)
[18:30] <cuddykid> haha
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> Ahhhh nice iCloud syncs photos taken by your phone to your iPad
[18:39] <Elwell> bet dropbox have just shat themselves
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[18:41] <Dan-K2VOL> All this cloudiness as ISPs are metering bandwidth more and more :-/
[18:42] <Elwell> yup. mind you I was amazed at how much crap iProducts fling out onto the net
[18:42] <Elwell> (was camping last week and 'accidentally' ran kismet on the campsite wifi
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[18:57] <Elwell> iiinteresting lockin pricing to let amazon match your music records
[18:57] <cuddykid> looks like its $24.99 a year for unlimited music
[18:57] <Elwell> s/amazon/apple/ oops
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[19:02] <eroomde> so what's a good laptop that is a) lightweight as poss, b) goes from power button to vim asap (i think this means it needs an ssd) c) will handle 1080p flash?
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[19:02] <jonsowman> eroomde: <Randomskk> macbook air
[19:02] <eroomde> i suspected that'd be the answer
[19:03] <jonsowman> :)
[19:03] <eroomde> no alternatives?
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Well - b - can simply mean resume from RAM
[19:03] <jonsowman> thinkpad X series perhaps?
[19:03] <eroomde> i guess a thinkpad x1 but that doesn't seem like a *proper* think[pad
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> I like my x60s thinkpad
[19:03] <eroomde> og but it has built-in 3g data too, which i really do think is a useful thing
[19:03] Action: SpeedEvil rages against shortscreen.
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[19:29] <Laurenceb_> i have a thinkpad X series
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> with bios error :(
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[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy fsphil natrium42 jonsowman
[20:16] <fsphil> yoyo :)
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> how is the world?
[20:16] Action: Upu pouts
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[20:17] <fsphil> haha
[20:17] <Upu> :)
[20:17] <Upu> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> and hello W0OTM
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> well
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> I hope the PCB by m1x10 is here soon
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I'll try to connect the Arduino to the PC or so
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> to see how the programming is
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[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> Upu what do you say, have the Uno or the Mega on board for the extra sensor recording?
[20:22] <Upu> I have been considering how to log data and transmit at the same time
[20:22] <Upu> you mean run 2 cpus ?
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> well, originally I thought of this
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> GPS+Uno+NTX2
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> and Mega+OpenLog+Sensors
[20:24] <Hibby> just serial between the two
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> now, m1x10 sends me one of his flight computer PCBs, which combines GPS, transmitter and basic sensors
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[20:24] <Hibby> can likely use NSS for one of the two
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I2iLJ_WpX6g/TeBSvXYyNEI/AAAAAAAAADM/Pi_Q-u0bfR4/s1600/SLAROSREVC.jpg
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> this pne
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> *one
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> Hibby yeah, my original intend was to have both independent of each other
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[20:27] <Upu> I have considered running 2 ATMEgas
[20:28] <Upu> one to record data one to transmit
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[20:28] <Upu> dual core :)
[20:29] <Upu> theoretically you could multitask but my coding skills suck
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> :) yeah
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[20:48] <russss> http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/campaignjune2011_data.php
[20:49] Action: russss is a sucker for graphs
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Spiky graph is spiky.
[20:49] <eroomde> mega mega unstable!
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Eeek.
[20:49] <eroomde> christ
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[20:49] <russss> is that not textbook pogo?
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> POGO
[20:49] <eroomde> looked even stronger than that to me
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Hey - I was about to say that
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> One of the early apollo tests almost aborted due to pogo
[20:54] <russss> apparently the engine shut down ~20s too early because of some guidance issues
[20:54] <eroomde> and the parachute failed
[20:55] <eroomde> a lot of stuff to work on for test 2!
[20:55] <russss> yeah, the booster parachute totally failed
[20:55] <russss> and the capsule parachute kind of worked.
[20:55] <russss> http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/contentgfx/LC_2011/IMG_0362.JPG
[20:55] <russss> that looks fairly non-survivable to me though :P
[20:56] <eroomde> ouch
[20:56] <eroomde> yes that'd hurt you
[20:57] <fsphil> it appears to have travelled more sideways than up
[20:57] <russss> yeah apparently the thing had basically no guidance
[20:58] <russss> they're still working on that minor detail...
[20:59] <BrainDamage> if there's one thing that the road runner show taught us, is that all the flight control you need is a rope to strap the rocket at your back to release as necessary
[20:59] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rASHRBo9Rg&feature=player_embedded#at=71
[20:59] <Upu> PILOT POV
[20:59] <Upu> no thx :)
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> eek
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used bmp085?
[21:00] <russss> still waiting for a G force graph
[21:00] <BrainDamage> am I allucinating some shock diamonds in the flame trail?
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[21:00] <russss> I really wonder how/whether they can modulate the acceleration well enough to not cause the pilot to black out.
[21:01] <Dan-K2VOL> Laurencb_ we have it on the SpeedBall flight computer
[21:01] <Dan-K2VOL> Zuph did the soldering and programming for it
[21:01] <eroomde> well, you gotta have someone who understands thermoacoustics on your engine design team
[21:01] <Dan-K2VOL> We melted one in soldering
[21:01] <eroomde> or get lucky
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> im getting 166kPA :/
[21:01] <BrainDamage> the fuel is binary, I guess they could quench the oxygen supply
[21:01] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: are you in a leaky spaceship?
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[21:01] <BrainDamage> altho there's bare min ofc
[21:01] <Dan-K2VOL> Hi Kev
[21:01] <russss> yeah I believe they are able to throttle the oxidiser
[21:02] <Dan-K2VOL> Gtg all, ttyl
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Upu and russss do I see that right that the pressure oscillates really hard?
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[21:02] <Laurenceb_> ah
[21:02] <russss> Lunar_Lander: yep
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> it thinks its -76C
[21:02] <russss> Lunar_Lander: textbook pogo effect
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> that may explain issue
[21:02] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: you're in a leaky, cold spaceship?
[21:02] <russss> you can really see it on the video too
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> no
[21:02] <Randomskk> :(
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/tree/master/Sensors
[21:03] <russss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rASHRBo9Rg&feature=player_embedded#t=20
[21:03] <Upu> one things for sure they need to have a think ahout various systems :)
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> its code from sparkfun thats supposed to work :-/
[21:04] <BrainDamage> http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/contentgfx/LC_2011/IMG_0267.JPG
[21:04] <BrainDamage> poor pilot :p
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> how do you solve pogo?
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> throttle in antiphase?
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[21:05] <eroomde> bladders is fuel lines to filter the fuel pressure pulses
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Damping
[21:05] <russss> well on the Saturn V I don't believe they had enough resolution to throttle that quickly
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - that
[21:05] <eroomde> thermo-acoustic design on the combustion chamber
[21:06] <eroomde> to try and shift resonances of various bits away from each other
[21:06] <russss> perhaps you could do it through throttling these days, you'd need mighty fast valves though
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Either you damp actively, increase drop across the fuel injector, or add notch filters (bladders) in the fuel lines.
[21:06] <russss> I think they used dampers in the fuel lines for the saturn V
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Or redesign your rocket so it's shorter. :)
[21:07] <eroomde> http://www-diva.eng.cam.ac.uk/energy/mpjresearch/juniper_thesis.pdf
[21:07] <eroomde> that's on instability in rocket combustion ^
[21:07] <eroomde> 91MB
[21:08] <Randomskk> what, but he hates the french
[21:09] <eroomde> it's a clever joke
[21:09] <Randomskk> man did I miss out
[21:09] <Randomskk> that would have made fluids a lot more fun
[21:10] <Randomskk> oh well, fluids exam tomorrow then I can forget about it for a bit
[21:10] <BrainDamage> course's project on "the fluiddynamics of coitus"
[21:11] <eroomde> coitus from an information theoretic point of view is fastinating
[21:11] <eroomde> orgasm is like kGbps
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:13] <Randomskk> isn't that like, Tbps?
[21:13] <eroomde> yes
[21:13] <Randomskk> not that combining SI prefixes isn't a lot of fun or anything
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[21:14] <Randomskk> eroomde: in terms of genetic data or brain activity?
[21:14] <eroomde> genetic data
[21:14] <eroomde> highly redundant needles to say
[21:14] <Randomskk> yea
[21:14] <Randomskk> shame decoding takes so long
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[21:15] <BrainDamage> when canadian isps started applying those insane tariffs, I've seen people who started seriously considering shipping ssd by air mail as cheaper alternative
[21:15] <Randomskk> it is actually cheaper
[21:15] <Randomskk> you can even throw away the SSD
[21:16] <Randomskk> and fedex overnight it
[21:16] <Randomskk> and it's still cheaper and faster
[21:17] <Elwell> .ca still caps?
[21:17] <BrainDamage> the only problem is the "hit or miss" that throws away the bulk of data
[21:17] <Randomskk> http://celsiusgs.com/images/fun/ssdnet.png
[21:17] <Randomskk> latency is a bit crap though
[21:19] <Elwell> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway"
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[21:22] <Elwell> hmm. 450*lto3 tapes in a passat between edinburgh and daresbury in ~4h
[21:22] Action: Elwell should work out what he used to get when being tape monkey from work
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[21:24] <Hibby> lol
[21:25] <Hibby> that's like the latest version of the CarrierPigeon IP, huge data rate, crap latency
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[21:25] <fsphil> I copied the duke nukem demo to a computer at school, one floppy at a time
[21:25] <fsphil> took a week
[21:26] <Elwell> asymetric tho - I normally shipped ~40 a week north. main bandwith was in the big 'load the boot up and take em back south' run
[21:26] <Hibby> lol
[21:26] <Elwell> slackware installation floppies. ugh
[21:26] <fsphil> yay lol
[21:26] <BrainDamage> it's just half duplex
[21:26] <fsphil> thankfully I missed that - my first linux distro was on CD
[21:26] <BrainDamage> I installed win 3.11 on floppies
[21:26] <BrainDamage> from*
[21:27] <BrainDamage> as well as works
[21:27] <Randomskk> yea but I remember downloading all six debian CDs via jigdo, took ages
[21:27] <Hibby> our local 'hacker space', if you will, has Mac system 7 on floppies
[21:27] <fsphil> I did enjoy downloading ISOs on the 56k modem
[21:27] <Randomskk> I have dos 5 or something in a box, it came on 1x3.5" or 2x5.25"
[21:28] <Randomskk> hmm must have been 3, didn't have a graphical/mouse interface
[21:28] <fsphil> aaah 5.25" disks
[21:28] <fsphil> when they really where floppy
[21:28] <Hibby> i always bought mine from budgetlinuxcds.co.uk instead of downloaded them
[21:28] <Randomskk> ikr! properly floppy
[21:29] <fsphil> I think I used linux emporium once- got some linux stickers too
[21:31] <Elwell> ah, john at linux emporium was great
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> that Oliver de Peyer who posted on the mailing list
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> they had a strange rocket company in the US to fly their experiments
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> as far as I get it, the rockets failed to eject their payloads
[21:34] <fsphil> bummer
[21:35] Nick change: BrainDamage -> zz_BrainDamage
[21:35] <fsphil> what kind of rocket was it?
[21:36] Nick change: zz_BrainDamage -> BrainDamage
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.rocketmavericks.com/ this is the group that made them
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> it seems that you need to sign up to see everything
[21:40] <BrainDamage> btw Laurenceb_, where did you get your pitot tube, you fabricated it yourself?
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> havent made it yet
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> yay rtc is integrated to gps
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> slight problem - its in german time :P
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[22:09] <jcoxon> evening
[22:16] <fsphil> g'devening!
[22:16] <jcoxon> payload recovered?
[22:18] <fsphil> not yet. heading back at the weekend with some equipment
[22:19] <jcoxon> fsphil, RocketBoy and I are experts :-)
[22:20] <fsphil> carry a chainsaw in the boot? :)
[22:20] <natrium42> hi james and phil
[22:20] <fsphil> hiya natrium42
[22:20] <jcoxon> we actually manage to get a number of lines 40ft up the tree
[22:20] <jcoxon> quite accurately
[22:20] <natrium42> uh, i joined at the wrong time again, didn't i?
[22:20] <natrium42> oh, tree
[22:20] <natrium42> :P
[22:20] <fsphil> lol
[22:20] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[22:21] <natrium42> in boston area
[22:21] <natrium42> away from electronics :(
[22:21] <natrium42> fsphil: how waere live pics?
[22:22] <fsphil> natrium42, rather nifty :) http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live.php
[22:22] <jcoxon> they are just awesome
[22:23] <fsphil> still amazed that every packet was received, except for a few near the start where I was messing around with the radio
[22:24] <natrium42> whoa, that's amazing
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[22:35] <fsphil> hoping the canon images are as good
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[23:38] <Dan-K2VOL> evening
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[23:49] <Bahiense> Hello all
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