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[00:43] <russss> massive space-themed animated gif for you guys (warning: 6MB) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1909920/zoom-corrected-large.gif
[00:43] <Darkside> SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
[00:44] <Dan-K2VOL> the final frontier
[00:44] <Darkside> i'll spell it
[00:44] <Darkside> S
[00:44] <Darkside> P
[00:44] <Darkside> ACE
[00:45] <russss> :)
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[00:48] <Bahiense> hello all
[00:48] <MrCraig> hello
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[00:49] <all> hell
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[00:49] <MrCraig> damn typos
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[02:01] <Dan-K2VOL> hello
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[03:00] <kf5kwe> wow dan got no love
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[07:54] <Upu_2E0UPU> morning
[07:55] Nick change: Upu_2E0UPU -> Upu
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[09:08] <eroomde> mornign Upu
[09:23] <fsphil> morning all
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[09:54] <Upu> hey fsphil
[09:54] <Upu> eroomde
[09:54] <Upu> looks like one guy from the local club had a go at listening
[09:54] <Upu> neither us could hear you though so looks like something in the way
[09:57] <fsphil> that's possible yea
[09:57] <Upu> my bet is "the lake district"
[09:57] <fsphil> one of jcoxon's floating launches that went along the east coast got weaker as it went north
[09:57] <Upu> so when are you planning on recovering it ?
[09:58] <Darkside> fsphil: did you reco er the payload last night?
[09:58] <Darkside> yesterday*
[09:58] <fsphil> Darkside, nah the tree wouldn't give it up
[09:58] <Darkside> aww
[09:58] <Darkside> so you know where it is tho?
[09:58] <fsphil> yea, spotted the chute and the balloon
[09:58] <Upu> got pictures of it in the tree ?
[09:58] <Darkside> ok
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[09:59] <fsphil> forgot to bring the camera typically
[09:59] <fsphil> I'm going to try an get someone to drive me back today
[09:59] <fsphil> if not today then next weekend
[09:59] <Upu> cool so did it land in woods ?
[10:00] <fsphil> in woods, but right beside a small gap line
[10:00] <fsphil> a few metres further north and it would have landed on the ground
[10:01] <fsphil> looking at the line on the tracker, it fell very near a bit radio tower
[10:01] <Upu> yeah
[10:02] <fsphil> it's raining now so that bog land is going to get pretty bad
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[10:23] <eroomde> morning all
[10:23] <eroomde> what's new?
[10:23] <jonsowman> aaaah exams! etc
[10:24] <jonsowman> you?
[10:24] <eroomde> no exams
[10:24] <eroomde> iain's stag do yesterday
[10:24] <jonsowman> oh nice, good?
[10:24] <eroomde> so a wee headache but nothing too bad
[10:26] <jonsowman> cool
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> Anyone wake up tied to a lamppost?
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[10:33] <eroomde> wasn't really that kind of stag-party
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[10:52] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[10:53] <fsphil> hi hi hi
[10:55] <mattltm> How did the launch go Phil??
[10:56] <fsphil> very well, was much better organised this time :)
[10:56] <mattltm> Cool. Recovered?
[10:56] <fsphil> found, but not recovered. a tree is holding it hostage
[10:57] <mattltm> Damn. Any plans to get it back?
[10:57] <fsphil> yea, thinking of attaching a hook to the top of the 10m fishing pole
[10:57] <fsphil> probably next week, but I'm gonna see if someone will drive me up there today
[10:58] <mattltm> Good stuff. A chainsaw and a long pole should be standard HAB recovery kit!
[10:58] <fsphil> http://goo.gl/MP6UH
[10:59] <fsphil> a chainsaw would be a much simpler solution :)
[11:00] <mattltm> http://www.wesspur.com/climbing-kits/spur-climbing-kit.html
[11:02] <fsphil> too high for me :)
[11:03] <fsphil> it's a weird tree, everything but the trunk and the branches at the very top is dead
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[11:09] <fsphil> <cuddykid> how come the pictures form so much quicker than when on the ground? Is it due to less detail in them?
[11:09] <fsphil> ^^ yes :)
[11:14] <cuddykid> ahh, thanks fsphil :)
[11:15] <cuddykid> I was thinking that a reasonably wide strong rubber or material band would be ideal for climbing trees.. like you see the tribes etc using lol
[11:16] <russss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rASHRBo9Rg
[11:16] <russss> looks like quite a lot of pogo oscillation there...
[11:17] <fsphil> cuddykid, you're welcome to come over and give it a go ;)
[11:17] <cuddykid> haha, I'm alright thanks ;)
[11:18] <cuddykid> I'll probably have my own tree problem to contend with when I launch mine in a few weeks judging by the amount of tree incidents everyones had recently!
[11:21] <cuddykid> this is what i was thinking of (bar all the other equipment!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/image_galleries/suffolk_show_2009_weds_gallery.shtml
[11:22] <fsphil> it's the prefect tree for that too
[11:23] <mattltm> Strange idea but how about using somthing like my antenna launcher to hook the payload and pull it down?
[11:24] <mattltm> Small and easy to carry, cheep to build and can be acurate with a bit of practice.
[11:26] <fsphil> that's a rather cunning plan
[11:27] <fsphil> the balloon is the lowest part, and there's no branches between it and the ground
[11:30] <mattltm> you just need a cheep catapult and an old fishing reel.
[11:35] <fsphil> shouldn't be difficult to get that
[11:36] <fsphil> I'll bring them too, along with the pole
[11:36] <fsphil> and a big stick to go onto the pole, incase its higher than 10m
[11:37] <mattltm> http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-build-homebrew-antenna-launcher-381157/
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[11:37] <mattltm> Love the hat!
[11:38] <fsphil> lol
[11:38] <fsphil> Do I need that too?
[11:38] <mattltm> Yes!
[11:38] <mattltm> It wont work without it.
[11:38] <mattltm> Heres another... http://www.m0vst.co.uk/projects/antenna-laucher
[11:39] <fsphil> I could never grow a beard like that either .. this is doomed to failure :)
[11:39] <mattltm> lol.
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[14:14] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bajnfdj580A
[14:16] <mattltm> WTF!!
[14:23] <fsphil> Someone set up us the Brown
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[15:54] <natrium42> ping eroomde
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[16:45] <eroomde> natrium42: pong
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[17:06] <natrium42> eroomde: i am in cambridge :)
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> Is that the fake Cambridge?
[17:07] <Dan-K2VOL> hello natrium42, speedevil
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[17:08] <natrium42> hi dan & speed
[17:09] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: yes :P
[17:12] <MrCraig> nudge: fsphil - good job on hadie 3, is there a plan of action for it's recovery?
[17:15] <fsphil> hiya MrCraig thanks
[17:15] <fsphil> plan is a giant pole, also mattltm's idea of a slingshot
[17:17] <MrCraig> Any helium left? Perhaps a smaller balloon on twine with a hook?
[17:18] <fsphil> hehe, re-launch it
[17:18] <fsphil> hook on the end of a pole, then I can pull it down
[17:18] <MrCraig> cool - best of luck getting her back safe
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[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:19] <MrCraig> hi Lunar
[17:19] <natrium42> hallo sehr geehrter herr lander
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> hallo :)
[17:20] <natrium42> wie geht es ihnen?
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> gut, danke und ihnen?
[17:20] <natrium42> alles krass
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:20] <jgrahamc> One of my backup plans for GAGA-1 recovery was a SOTA pole which I had with me (with the hook off a coat hanger attached): http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/SOTAPole.htm
[17:20] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: i'
[17:20] <natrium42> i'm in cambridge ma
[17:21] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil, I've got your balloon retriever right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmqDePXM89Y&feature=player_embedded
[17:21] <jgrahamc> If fsphil would like to borrow it I couple probably mail it.
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42 cool!
[17:22] <MrCraig> Dan-K2VOL: that's way cool
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> whoa damn, there was a lightning, about only 1.2 km from here
[17:22] <fsphil> oh wow
[17:23] <Dan-K2VOL> just put some scissors on the front of that thing ;-)
[17:23] <fsphil> jgrahamc, is that the fishing rod kind of pole?
[17:24] <jgrahamc> Yes, it's a bit like that, but made for amateurs to put up temporary antennas.
[17:24] <fsphil> I think I've got something similar, though very thin at the top
[17:24] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil did you retrieve it yet?
[17:25] <fsphil> not yet Lunar_Lander
[17:25] <fsphil> got a plan though :)
[17:25] <natrium42> je veux l'ed
[17:25] <jgrahamc> Yes, it does get very thin at the top, but it's strong.
[17:25] <natrium42> je veux l'ed de moore
[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> what are you up to in cambridge alexei?
[17:26] <natrium42> visiting my sister who is studying at harvard
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[17:27] <natrium42> i'm in the USA dan, we should hang out :D
[17:28] <natrium42> i mean, i came all the way to USA!
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> damn!
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> Red Weather alert here
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> and it hails
[17:30] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> at least it is not code Violet
[17:30] <fsphil> lovely storm you're having there :)
[17:30] <Dan-K2VOL> lol Alexei do you know if you're going to be around the first week of august?
[17:30] <fsphil> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> because Violet is even higher than Red
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> and hey are you going to the detroit makerfaire?
[17:31] <natrium42> probably not in august :S
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> oh yeah fsphil
[17:31] <natrium42> when is it?
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> last weekend in July
[17:31] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: where abouts are you?
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> in Osnabrueck
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> White star will have SpeedBall-1 setup there
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> NW of Germany
[17:31] <fsphil> oooh speedball!
[17:32] <cuddykid> ahh right!
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> on fsphil's map, that is right in the activity center there
[17:32] <cuddykid> oo wow
[17:32] <cuddykid> haven't had a storm for ages here
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> you see, my window faces West
[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> and there was suddenly that bright flash of light to my left
[17:33] <cuddykid> haha
[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> and only like 4 s later thunder came like an explosion
[17:33] <russss> it's raining quite a lot here in London but it looks like we don't have the worst of it
[17:33] <cuddykid> been raining here all day :(
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> where is Knightsbridge?
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> is that place still existing under that name?
[17:34] <cuddykid> posh part of london I think :S
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> I read a weather diary in the proceedings of the royal society
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> some guy had a metal rod installed vertically through his house
[17:35] <cuddykid> nope, in gloucestershire apparently!
[17:35] <cuddykid> lol
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> and he had like a bell that went off when there was much electrical activity
[17:35] <fsphil> lol
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> and he writes about stuff like that he was able to draw sparks of the rod sometimes
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:35] <cuddykid> sounds like a bit of a nutter! lol
[17:35] <fsphil> there are videos on youtube of sparks coming of HF antennas
[17:35] <cuddykid> would be quite cool though!
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder what would have happened in case that one in a million strike would have happened
[17:36] <Dan-K2VOL> my dad used to hook a neon light to his long wire antenna when I was a kid and we'd watch it flash every time we saw lightning
[17:36] <cuddykid> haha, thats cool
[17:36] <fsphil> sweet!
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:36] <fsphil> I attached a multimeter to mine last storm, saw some nice voltage spikes
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> I think if lightning would have struck that rod
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> I think that would have been the end of the house
[17:37] <fsphil> I disconnected it when the lightning got near :)
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> I mean the one of the royal society guy :)
[17:37] <jgrahamc> The 'some guy' with the bell in his house was... Benjamin Franklin.
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[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> no
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> John Read was his name
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> at least the man with the weather diary
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.jstor.org/pss/106867
[17:43] <jgrahamc> Interesting. This is what I was remembering. http://www.fi.edu/franklin/bells.html
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> Franklin was the pioneer
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> as you see Read did it 40 years later
[17:45] <fsphil> hmm wonder if we could make a simple digital version
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> but I wonder if Frankling knew the lines of Huey and the News back then
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> from "Back In Time" I mean
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> the line
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> "Better remember: Lightning never strikes twice!"
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[17:47] <eroomde> natrium42: l'ed is here now
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[18:05] <MrCraig> Anyone here good with math for an off topic in private msg? I need help performing a 64x64-bit -> 128-bit multiplication
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[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw I got something for you all
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.mediafire.com/?ftq5x7m6vttjhh2
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> and http://www.mediafire.com/?fbl836tzk8juwwc
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> did someone check the links?
[18:49] <Dan-K2VOL> lol kvin that's really spammy
[18:50] <Dan-K2VOL> the mediafire host I mean
[18:50] <Dan-K2VOL> but now reading the first
[18:50] <natrium42> eroomde: didn't you say fergus was here in cambridge?
[18:50] <natrium42> or was it somebody else?
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all here's a fascinating long US Navy training video on how the japanese paper balloons in WWII worked and what to do if you find one: http://www.archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.13084
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> they have many demos of the systems functioning
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah Dan-K2VOL, I need a better filehoster :)
[18:55] <Dan-K2VOL> try dropbox or google docs
[18:55] <Dan-K2VOL> for PDFs
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, thanks :)
[18:55] <Dan-K2VOL> cool translations!
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[18:58] <fsphil> it's amazing how well those paper balloons worked
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:58] <Dan-K2VOL> it really is - the vent valve is really cool
[18:58] <fsphil> oooh they use a really simple valve
[18:59] <Dan-K2VOL> what we've been thinking of using for the zp fligths
[18:59] <fsphil> that would be perfect for the pinhole floaters
[19:03] <fsphil> the altitude control is quite cute
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL what do you think about the instruments in the papers?
[19:10] <cuddykid> been thinking of ways to get even higher than the already incredible altitude achieved by a hab... apart from rockoons, an interesting way would be an already cranked up high powered sling shot... a wacky idea haha
[19:11] <cuddykid> though firing an object large enough to hold tracking equipment and parachute might be difficult
[19:11] <russss> railgun, clearly
[19:11] <cuddykid> plus extra altitude reached wouldn't be significant probably
[19:11] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#Launch_.2F_launch_assist_of_spacecraft
[19:12] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:12] <cuddykid> mounted to a hab lol
[19:13] <fsphil> cuddykid, helicopter hab
[19:13] <BrainDamage> cuddykid: I have a 10kJ one, I can lend it to you if you pay shipping back & forth :p
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[19:14] <cuddykid> BrainDamage, lol, I'm alright atm ;) haha
[19:14] <BrainDamage> atm though the rails are mounted with 0.5 cm distance
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL what do you think about the instruments in the papers?
[19:48] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm I just scanned it, let me take a closer look
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[19:54] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander, I presume this was for charting the magnetic field lines around the north pole?
[19:54] <Dan-K2VOL> judging from the footnote of the original paper?
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yes, on the airship to the Pole
[19:57] <Dan-K2VOL> would be interesting to put that in the translated title or a translator's foreward or something
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> to explain what the book is about from which I took the article? good idea
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[20:03] <Dan-K2VOL> how well did they work in the air?
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> well, both weren't flown
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> that article is in the end of the book to show what was prepared but left behind
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> because of that the end of the magnetometer article has the "woulds"
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