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[02:04] <W0OTM> Hello World
[02:10] <SpeedEvil> o
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[05:52] <jcoxon> morning
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[06:43] <eroomde> morning all
[06:45] <cuddykid> morning all, good luck with launch today jcoxon, I'll be at college so won't be able to track :(
[06:45] <eroomde> i guess he has left
[06:45] <eroomde> on the way to cambridge
[06:45] <cuddykid> indeed, didn't see that lol
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[07:47] <eroomde> jcoxon not getting to churchill until 9.45 - traffic
[07:47] <jonsowman> ouch
[07:47] <jonsowman> are you around for the launch eroomde?
[07:48] <eroomde> i shall be there jonsowman
[07:48] <jonsowman> :)
[07:48] <eroomde> except i have to be south of barton at 11, come what may, to see a hangar for blimp stuff
[07:48] <jonsowman> oh cool, okay
[07:48] <eroomde> so i shall leave at whatever state the launch is in
[07:48] <jonsowman> james was going to pick Adam and I up on his way, and go via CUED for launch kit
[07:48] <eroomde> cool
[07:48] <jonsowman> we have a lecture at 12, so we need to leave Chu by about 11.30
[07:49] <jonsowman> fair walk to eng from there
[07:49] <eroomde> nah, 20 mins
[07:49] <eroomde> used to do it all the time
[07:49] <jonsowman> x
[07:49] <jonsowman> oops, dropping stuff on keyboard
[07:50] <LazyLeopard> Updated launch time estimate?
[07:50] <jonsowman> haha okay, we'll leave by 11.45 ish then
[07:50] <eroomde> hmm i'd leave earlier to actually be there on time :)
[07:50] <jonsowman> suppose we should try and be there on time
[07:50] <jonsowman> lol
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[08:04] <jonsowman> eroomde: james is here
[08:04] <jonsowman> we'll be at chu in say, 20 mins?
[08:06] <eroomde> oh that was quick
[08:06] <eroomde> ok i'll head over in a jiffy
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[08:34] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham GW8RAK "[UKHAS] Re: Information Please"
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[08:58] <x-f> Atlas is on the tracker, yay
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[09:11] Action: fsphil wont be listening today -- after the storms yesterday too afraid to leave the radio plugged in :)
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[09:13] <M0DTS> I was at work, could see the lighning towards my home.. luckily everything still works...!
[09:14] <fsphil> same here -- one particular strike looked like it was very close
[09:15] <fsphil> all is clear atm
[09:15] Action: LazyLeopard is set up and ready to track.
[09:15] <fsphil> just wet
[09:16] <M0DTS> I'm going to put the mast head preamp in line so i can hear something from todays balloons...bbiab
[09:16] <LazyLeopard> ...but there are some contract gardeners at work nearby, and their strimmer (or whatever) is spewing RF noise. :/
[09:17] <fsphil> euuu
[09:17] <fsphil> mmmm preamp
[09:17] <fsphil> the little preamp kit I got looks way to simple
[09:17] <fsphil> there's only about 10 components
[09:18] <GW8RAK> There are more fsphil, just so small your eyes can't see them.
[09:18] <fsphil> I hope not, I have to solder them lol
[09:18] <M0DTS> When you have 50m of coax a preamp is essential!
[09:20] <GW8RAK> Which is why I'm considering mast head transverters.
[09:24] <M0DTS> Toomuch weigth for my little mast if i had transverters/amps at the top but it would be the ideal solution.
[09:24] <M0DTS> *weight
[09:26] <jcoxon> fixing final payload
[09:26] <jcoxon> locks both over radio and spot
[09:34] <sturrock> Pelham123, morning dave..jtj
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[09:39] <fsphil> perfectly nice sunny day outside, wish I'd kept everything connected
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[09:48] <SamSilver> and we off!!
[09:51] <GW8RAK> I've noticed with a lot of launches that before the launch, the height of the payload varies a lot. Today's shows it was up to 140m high. Why is this?
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[09:52] <SamSilver> 140m is above sea level
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> GPS is poor for altitude.
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> Also that.
[09:53] <GW8RAK> Okay, but from 9.18 to 9.45, it didn't vary much, so why so much earlier on? Was it also moving around and getting a poor lock?
[09:54] <SamSilver> SpeedEvil: How goes the renovations?
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[09:54] <SpeedEvil> Slowly.
[09:57] <griffonbot> @adamgreig: Filling Atlas ... #cusf #atlasballoon launch in a few mins [http://twitter.com/adamgreig/status/67890958473248768]
[09:58] <jcoxon> filling
[10:01] <fsphil> full of helium goodness
[10:01] <SamSilver> this is a up and down to flight test the SPOT?
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[10:09] <jcoxon> up
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[10:09] <griffonbot> @adamgreig: Atlas away! #cusf #atlasballoon [http://twitter.com/adamgreig/status/67894130063310848]
[10:12] <LazyLeopard> Dial 434.071.8
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[10:19] <jcoxon> hey guys
[10:19] <jcoxon> there is sstv on 434.650Mhz
[10:20] <jcoxon> FM not SSB
[10:21] Action: LazyLeopard isn't set up for SSTV , but has Atlas tracking.
[10:22] <LazyLeopard> Getting some funky QRM on 434.070 though.
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[10:24] <LazyLeopard> Given relative signal strengths, I wonder whether it's coming from the payload?
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[10:27] <LazyLeopard> It's drifting relative to the RTTY, and getting closer. At present it's about 200Hz below the lower RTTY line...
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[10:28] <jcoxon> can some one tune my home radio
[10:28] <jcoxon> http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC/index.html
[10:28] <jcoxon> the rig freq is at the bottom
[10:28] <jcoxon> remember not decimal
[10:28] <jcoxon> oh and the qrm is the beacon drifting through
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> trying - unless anyone else is
[10:29] <LazyLeopard> Go ahead SpeedEvil
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> Change Freq: 4650000/usr/bin/rigctl -r /dev/ttyUSB0 -m 120 -s 4800 F 4650000set_freq: error = Communication timed out
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> And the main window is blank
[10:30] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, oh go foratlas
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> I was - I was aiming at 434.650, then tune up and down a bit
[10:30] <LazyLeopard> Right. The beacon's about 100Hz below, now...
[10:30] <LazyLeopard> Interesting to see just how tricky the decoding becomes when it's really close...
[10:31] <jcoxon> bbl
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> The main window does not appear to load.
[10:32] <LazyLeopard> I expect we're going to mis a few fix lines until it gets out the other side...
[10:32] <M0DTS> How often is any modulation on 434.650? just got carrier on 434.646 at present.
[10:34] <LazyLeopard> What's the payload name for the 434.650 signal?
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[10:36] <LazyLeopard> Does seem to be carrier only...
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[10:40] <M0DTS> getting good decodes here but always missing first $ charachter.
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[10:44] <ejcweb> Message from jcoxon: Leaving Churchill to go chasing (while the rest of us go to our lectures...)
[10:44] <ejcweb> (In case that hasn't become apparent already)
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[10:49] <LazyLeopard> Back to 434.072 as 434.650 seems to be transmitting just a steady carrier.
[10:50] <Sam-Silver> 434.072, 50baud, 425shift, 2 stop, no parity, select 'atlas' in dl-fldigi
[10:50] <M0DTS> hellschreiber decoding very well on .075
[10:51] <Dave_FEV> <M0DTS> Same here. I must retune for each transmission or the first $ is missing before the AFC can catch up.
[10:51] <ejcweb> LazyLeopard: Had you been getting anything through previously on 434.65?
[10:52] <LazyLeopard> No, I started on 434.072 and went over to 434.650 while the beacon was messing with the lower frequency.
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[10:53] <ejcweb> Ok. You know it's on FM?
[10:53] <LazyLeopard> How'd the Hellschreiber go while it was drifting through the RTTY?
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[10:54] <ejcweb> We were certainly receiving it from the launch site for a while (that's not to say something could have broken subsequently)
[10:54] <LazyLeopard> The SSTV is on FM. Is there not RTTY there as well?
[10:54] <LazyLeopard> I'm not set up for SSTV.
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[10:55] <LazyLeopard> (...and I could have mis-understood what was where...)
[10:56] <ejcweb> Yep, there is RTTY, but only one transmission between SSTV images (that was a mistake...). That makes it quite difficult to lock on to the telemetry string (but you can still see them in fldigi).
[10:57] <ejcweb> I'm not at a radio any more though so couldn't say what's happening now.
[10:57] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Right. Maybe I didn't watch for long enough. Just saw solid carrier.
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[10:58] <ejcweb> Ok. Obviously it makes it a little tricky to pick RTTY up.
[10:59] <M0DTS> aha SSTV is there but low modulation.... trying again now
[10:59] <ejcweb> If someone was able to try and find it just to verify that it is transmitting at some point, then that would be great.
[10:59] <ejcweb> M0DTS: Nice.
[11:00] <ejcweb> I'm not entirely sure how being on FM will affect it though over this sort of range.
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> FM rtty?
[11:01] <Sam-Silver> SPoT online now yay
[11:01] <LazyLeopard> Who else is tracking? (I'm M0LEP)
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> You get a lot more vulnerable to interference in the lock bandwidth of your recierver.
[11:01] <ejcweb> SpeedEvil: Yep.
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[11:02] <ejcweb> The way it's connected up to the Android means FM seemed the only way (without complicating things massively, at least).
[11:02] <Sam-Silver> G4FEV tracking
[11:03] <M0DTS> SSTV is working well now, will post some pictures shortly.
[11:03] <ejcweb> Great, thanks so much.
[11:04] <ejcweb> There'll all stock images loaded onto the phone, as you probably know.
[11:04] <Sam-Silver> M6JCX tracking aswell
[11:05] <jcoxon> repeat strings
[11:05] <jcoxon> strange
[11:06] <LazyLeopard> Where'd the predictions have it landing?
[11:08] <LazyLeopard> GPS got stuck?
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[11:09] <jcoxon> seems to have got stuck
[11:09] <jcoxon> not sure why
[11:10] <G4FFC> Have decoded the HELL
[11:12] <jcoxon> switching to nexus tracking
[11:13] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Sorry about having to wait between SSTV transmissions! Bit of an oversight, that was...
[11:14] <fsphil> too busy here to watch closely .. the spot not working?
[11:14] <ejcweb> Also, Nexus will cut out at 20km or thereabouts I guess.
[11:14] <Laurenceb_> G4FFC: does it say 666?
[11:14] <LazyLeopard> The FM at 434.650 is very noisy here. Hard to find anything recognisable as balloon.
[11:15] <jcoxon> $$NEXUS,7143757,12:14:42,52.498161,0.817929,18249,VMOxwoHCmMOmbsO7wo3DrcOc*2127
[11:15] <G4FFC> I have saved it to a file, will have a look.
[11:16] Action: LazyLeopard got some of that, but lost the tail in noise.
[11:16] <fsphil> cool, so the FM is at least being received by some people. my repeater idea might not be so mad after all :)
[11:17] <jcoxon> got another atlas string
[11:17] <jcoxon> periodic string update it seems
[11:17] <ejcweb> Is there a link where string can be manually uploaded to the tracker?
[11:19] <jcoxon> www.robertharrison.org/listen/test.php
[11:19] <G4FFC> Laureneb > cant see 666 any where.
[11:23] <jcoxon> could someone setup the predictions on the tracker
[11:24] <LazyLeopard> The FM was much fainter and noisier than the USB.
[11:27] <LazyLeopard> ...but Atlas is still saying 11:11:58 as its fix time...
[11:28] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, not sure whats happened
[11:28] <jcoxon> $$NEXUS,7933980,12:14:02,52.498161,0.817929,18249wrBIw5nCsMOCw7XDicO7w7YR*713E
[11:28] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Should I start a new prediction based on the last bit of telemetry? Not sure what to put for ascent/descent rate and burst altitude though...
[11:28] <jcoxon> eek
[11:28] <jcoxon> same issue
[11:29] <jcoxon> ejcweb, oh the tracker can do itself
[11:29] <Laurenceb_> seems like timing is off
[11:29] <jcoxon> nexius seems to have frozen too
[11:29] <jcoxon> GPS interfernce?
[11:29] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Yeah...
[11:29] <Laurenceb_> i have that issue with my laptop
[11:29] <Laurenceb_> as the sample rate is weird
[11:30] <ejcweb> jcoxon: When should the GPS cut out? It's around 20km, right?
[11:30] <jcoxon> well comcom is 18
[11:31] <ejcweb> So the nexus stopping might just be that.
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[11:33] <jcoxon> eek
[11:33] <jcoxon> not a good flight
[11:33] <jcoxon> thank goodness for all teh backups
[11:34] <Dutch-Mill> whats wrong
[11:34] <futurity> Hi, may I ask what the status is? I'm unfortunately at work not at home, so unable to track today :(
[11:34] <LazyLeopard> No new fixes in 20 minutes...
[11:36] <LazyLeopard> ...from either Atlas or Nexus, it seems. (Though Nexus' FM RTTY is a whole heap less easy to decode at long range, and isn't getting into the tracker automatically.)
[11:36] <jcoxon> get a lock stupid GPS
[11:36] <Darkside> is it a lock issue, or is it over its height limit?
[11:36] <jcoxon> its claims its set at 6
[11:37] <jcoxon> mode 6 that is
[11:37] <Dutch-Mill> ublox?
[11:37] <jcoxon> yes
[11:37] <Darkside> hopefully iy will gain lock on the way back down again
[11:37] <jcoxon> yes
[11:37] <Darkside> but looking at the track, that could be out to sea
[11:38] <futurity> thanks for update
[11:39] <ejcweb> Is the SSTV still visible?
[11:39] <Jon_JTJ> good signals here but no decodes...same beamheading sse
[11:41] <Darkside> jcoxon: do you have RDF equipment?
[11:45] <jcoxon> Darkside, we've got yagis
[11:45] <jcoxon> we are at thetford
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[11:50] <fsphil> any thoughts why the spot isn't working?
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[11:51] <MNSP> hello all :)
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[11:51] <LazyLeopard> Decodes starting to drop characters for no obvious reason...
[11:52] <LazyLeopard> Ah. That one was clean.
[11:52] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: @tuzonghua How's it going? Finally done the #arhab project so maybe I'll get to make the net tonight! #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/67919865977118720]
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[11:55] <LazyLeopard> Could just be that there's a particularly leafy green tree in the way, though.
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[11:57] <ejcweb> If anyone can hear anything of the Nexus on 434.650, I wonder if you might be able to do a short audio recording of it from your computer? Don't worry if not.
[11:59] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
[12:00] <fsphil> hi hi jcoxon
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[12:00] <jcoxon> can you run the latest spot position through to decode it
[12:00] <fsphil> yea, what's the coordinates?
[12:00] <eroomde> what's up?
[12:00] <jcoxon> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=02vhBoDslO1BaEqCUR9sUikleajn0x2u4
[12:02] <fsphil> Decoded: Lat 52.4553, Lng 0.5683, Alt 27577 (the 2 is fake)
[12:02] <jcoxon> nah its a 1
[12:02] <fsphil> my decoder doesn't do the n/s e/w decoding
[12:02] <jcoxon> check the last know position
[12:03] <jcoxon> eroomde, approprately broken
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[12:03] <eroomde> jcoxon: darn
[12:04] <fsphil> that was the latest on the spot page
[12:04] <MNSP> current freq?
[12:05] <jcoxon> now its in day mode
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[12:09] <LazyLeopard> Atlas, 434.0745
[12:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:09] <jcoxon> its in day mode
[12:09] <jcoxon> so gaps between telem
[12:11] <eroomde> and both nexus and atlas seem to have stopped at the same time?
[12:12] <LazyLeopard> Sounding different (even apart from the gaps) now....
[12:12] <jcoxon> yeah we are thinking its about time for burst
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[12:12] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, can you monitor atlas
[12:12] <jcoxon> we'll do nexus
[12:13] <LazyLeopard> I'm trying atlas, yes.
[12:13] <Jon_JTJ> losing signal strength rapidly so probably on its way down
[12:14] <M0DTS> yes on its way down.. Excellent signal strengths from the payloads today...great job. I'm off to work now, will post some images later...ttfn
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[12:15] <LazyLeopard> The beacon just came past again. Think it's out of the way now.
[12:15] <Jon_JTJ> no copy at all now which on the last flight I lost at 16,000
[12:15] <jcoxon> nexus has got lock
[12:16] <ejcweb_mobile> Huzzah!
[12:16] <Jon_JTJ> jcoxon...where can i send the saved audio files?
[12:16] <jcoxon> Jon_JTJ, what payload?
[12:16] <Jon_JTJ> both
[12:17] <jcoxon> ooo once recovered i can get in touch
[12:17] <eroomde> ejcweb_mobile: huzzah?
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[12:17] <MNSP> where are you at the moment?
[12:18] <W0OTM> Howdy!
[12:18] <W0OTM> why are there 2 balloons? atlas and nexus?
[12:18] <ejcweb_mobile> Eroomde: Nexus has got lock?
[12:18] <eroomde> ah good
[12:18] <eroomde> W0OTM: one balloon, two payloads
[12:18] <jcoxon> 52.5173000.627710
[12:18] <W0OTM> ahh
[12:18] <W0OTM> ok
[12:19] <eroomde> seems like some issues are being had though
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[12:19] <MNSP> 'some issues', lol
[12:19] <ejcweb_mobile> Jon_JTJ: any Nexus recordings can come to me (edward.cunningham at gmail.com)
[12:20] <jcoxon> no lock with atlas
[12:20] <LazyLeopard> RTTY and beacon are having an argument at the moment.
[12:20] <jcoxon> where is this: 52.517300, 0.627710
[12:20] <jcoxon> can't get googlemaps
[12:21] <LazyLeopard> Havn't had a clean line from Atlas in a while, though enough gets through to show its GPS is still stuck.
[12:21] <jcoxon> stuck here
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[12:22] <WillDuckworth> A134 Cranwich, Norfolk IP26 5
[12:22] <ejcweb_mobile> What's the altitude?
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[12:24] <jcoxon> missed that string
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[12:24] <jcoxon> its very close to us
[12:24] <LazyLeopard> Signal fading here.
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[12:24] <ejcweb_mobile> Shall I text it?
[12:24] <jcoxon> yeah go for it
[12:26] <jcoxon> $$NEXUS,11397261,13:25:36,52.552232,0.687224,593,w6FCwosIwqbCmiDCq2JC*1663
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[12:27] <LazyLeopard> Not heard from atlas for about two or three cycles worth...
[12:27] <jcoxon> 593
[12:27] <jcoxon> m
[12:27] <ejcweb_mobile> Got it
[12:28] <MNSP> have lost it altogether
[12:28] <jcoxon> ejcweb_mobile, position please
[12:28] <jcoxon> we are at mundford
[12:28] <jcoxon> heading north on a1065
[12:29] <ejcweb_mobile> latlong 52.55420158,0.69040544,99.0,8.5440035
[12:29] <ejcweb_mobile> Lat, lon, alt, accuracy
[12:29] <ejcweb_mobile> Look like dense woodland
[12:29] <ejcweb_mobile> But I'm only seeing that on my phone atm
[12:31] <x-f> ejcweb, how do you calculate accuracy? from HDOP?
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[12:31] <eroomde> I don't think one does calculate accuracy on a chase
[12:32] <eroomde> it's the maximum likelihood, right? regardless of variance
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[12:34] <LazyLeopard> Near Bodney, which suggests some considerable westward movement while the GPSs were playing sticky games...
[12:35] <ejcweb> x-f: All I know is that I call the .getAccuracy() method in the code ;) It's just a confidence interval I think based on the calculations it's had to make.
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[12:36] <eroomde> oh x-f i do apologise i misread your question
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[12:40] <russss> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13335687
[12:40] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Are you okay with location finding, or would more info be useful?
[12:41] <jonsowman> how are things going?
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[12:42] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Everything seemed to lose lock at around 18km alt, nexus was picked up again on way down, don't know about atlas though.
[12:42] <eroomde> oh, 60,000ft....
[12:42] <jonsowman> huh, odd
[12:43] <jonsowman> it's a uBlox 5 isn't it?
[12:43] <ejcweb> eroomde: For nexus that was expected I suppose
[12:43] <MNSP> y gpsbee
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[12:44] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[12:44] <eroomde> 60,000ft = 18280m and the last nexus telem was 18249m
[12:44] <jonsowman> yeah
[12:44] <jonsowman> wonder what happened with atlas though
[12:44] <eroomde> but atlas was before that
[12:44] <jcoxon> ummm can we get another text position
[12:44] <eroomde> maybe the nexus exploded onto the rest of the payload
[12:44] <ejcweb> jcoxon: sure
[12:45] <jonsowman> haha
[12:45] <ejcweb> eroomde: I hope not...
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[12:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=14427
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> I lover teh last comment.
[12:45] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: lol
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[12:47] <ejcweb> jcoxon: It's the same as before pretty much - 52.55406888, 0.69048698
[12:48] <jonsowman> ejcweb: does nexus text you altitude?
[12:48] <LazyLeopard> atlas hadn't come un-stuck when I lost signal from it.
[12:48] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Yep, altitude is reported as 67 metres.
[12:48] <jonsowman> ejcweb: cool :)
[12:49] <ejcweb> When i texted it last, the altitude was 99, so I don't know if I just caught it on the way down, or more likely it hadn't got a good enough fix.
[12:49] <ejcweb> (by 'last' I mean 'previously')
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[12:50] <MNSP> just off the b1108
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[12:50] <jonsowman> ejcweb: can you get any fix accuracy/DOP figures from the GPS?
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[12:51] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Fix accuracy = 8.9 metres (radius)
[12:51] <jonsowman> :)
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> 99 is consistent with 67
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[12:52] <SpeedEvil> vertical accuracy is lots worse than horizontal.
[12:52] <jonsowman> yeah, VDOP figure?
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTmlDmlVbFc&feature=player_embedded
[12:53] <Laurenceb_> oops
[12:53] <jonsowman> big oops
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[12:57] <ejcweb> Did anyone else manage to get any SSTV images apart from M0DTS?
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Is it legal to do that with a pineapple?
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[12:58] <fsphil> Is that last nexus position valid?
[12:58] <ejcweb> fsphil: Yep.
[12:59] <fsphil> ejcweb, have any samples of the FM signal been uploaded yet?
[12:59] <ejcweb> Well, it was the last bit of telemetry received by jcoxon. The text location puts its ground location being a short distance away.
[12:59] <MNSP> Time to go do some work. Best of luck chaps :)
[12:59] <fsphil> aah there was a text
[13:00] <fsphil> backups are great!
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[13:00] <ejcweb> fsphil: I've got an email of some recordings from Jon_JTJ, but am not sure if that's actually FM, or just a recording of the other two transmitters.
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[13:06] <Dutch-Mill> good luck must go...
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[13:09] <ejcweb> Random stats: The internal battery temperature on the Nexus One was 22.2 degrees on it's way up at 18km, and at 593m before landing was 12.3 degrees.
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[13:10] <jonsowman> :)
[13:11] <ejcweb> Check back for more later ;)
[13:11] <jonsowman> haha
[13:11] <ejcweb> That's what the random encrypted string at the end was encoding, incidentally.
[13:12] <ejcweb> Battery level, temperature and health.
[13:12] <jonsowman> ah I see
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[13:18] <jcoxon> Up tree
[13:18] <jonsowman> oh dear
[13:18] <jcoxon> High up tree
[13:18] <jonsowman> very oh dear
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[13:19] <ejcweb> I feared that might be the case...
[13:19] <griffonbot> @Hamradio_Ticker: RT @CollegeARC: @tuzonghua How's it going? Finally done the #arhab project so maybe I'll get to make the net tonight! #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/Hamradio_Ticker/status/67941798785458176]
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[13:21] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Is it on common land?
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[13:25] <fsphil> I know it's already located, but new spot coordinate: Decoded: Lat 52.5532, Lng 0.6912, Alt 87
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[13:35] <LazyLeopard> ejcweb: I've got a fery fuzzy recording from nexus. You want?
[13:36] <ejcweb> LazyLeopard: Yes, anything is good thanks (even if it's just evidence that it got very fuzzy!).
[13:36] <fsphil> how far and what antenna LazyLeopard?
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[13:37] <LazyLeopard> Try http://home.lazyleopard.org.uk/nexus-fm.wav (it's 5.5MB and that's on my home server, so don't all grab at once ;).
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[13:37] <Kerrye> c
[13:37] <fsphil> d
[13:38] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Only a bit over a hundred kms, and my usual Diamond yagi.
[13:38] <fsphil> thanks
[13:38] <LazyLeopard> ...but FM seems inherently more noisy.
[13:38] <Randomskk> I wonder why
[13:39] <Kerrye> Good morning guys wondering if someone can talk to me about what to purchase to use aprs as a means of tracking ?
[13:39] <LazyLeopard> Could be something local.
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[13:40] <SpeedEvil> Most people here are wherre APRS isn't legal for use on balloons.
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> Tehre is the odd US person though.
[13:41] <SamSilver> u hem
[13:41] <SamSilver> chough
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[13:43] <fsphil> ooh it's very quiet
[13:44] <fsphil> wonder if that's just a volume problem with the phone
[13:44] Action: SpeedEvil hugs our government.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> They've confirmed finally that they got my letter on 20th of Mar.
[13:45] <LazyLeopard> It'd have been coming out via the digital link, so not getting final audio amplification.
[13:45] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Information Please"
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> They're not of course considering doing anything about it yet, that would be _way_ too hasty.
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes I think they only employ ents.
[13:45] <ejcweb> fsphil: I adjusted the volume so that it was pretty loud before we launched (not very technical...)
[13:45] <fsphil> was what you received pretty loud?
[13:46] <ejcweb> fsphil: Though when we checked the NTX2 datasheet the max voltage it could apparently handle was much less than that.
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[13:46] <ejcweb> fsphil: To start off with, yes, though I was only present at the tracking immediately after launch, so that was to be expected really.
[13:46] <LazyLeopard> The RTTY from atlas was pretty loud on the same antenna with same settings.
[13:47] <futurity> jcoxon: if it helps, I'll have a 10m pole on Thursday hopefully if you need something to get the payload out of the tree with.
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[13:56] <Kerrye> Sent off a launch saturday, but only got 85k. SPOT stop transmitting had to rely on the cell phone, would like a beter tracking device..
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[14:02] <cuddykid> hi all, just got in, how did launch go?
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[14:03] <LazyLeopard> Exciting... ;)
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[14:04] <LazyLeopard> Smooth flight to 17500 metres. After that, well, it came down, and has been spotted high in a tree, but there was much GPS-not-working...
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[14:05] <LazyLeopard> ...and SPOT decided it was on the other side of the globe. ;)
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[14:05] <LazyLeopard> There may yet be evidence on the tracker.
[14:06] <jonsowman> LazyLeopard: that's due to altitude encoding aiui
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[14:06] <fsphil> Kerrye, http://hackaday.com/2011/04/20/trackuino-%E2%80%93-an-open-source-arduino-aprs-tracker/
[14:06] <Kerrye> i will look it up thanks
[14:06] <cuddykid> oh no, thats what I fear with the launch (being up in tree)
[14:07] <fsphil> Do what W0OTM got a farmer to do, chop the tree down :)
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[14:07] <cuddykid> I thought SPOT was meant to be an emergency tracker (sort of)... not brilliant!! lol
[14:07] <cuddykid> 
[14:07] <cuddykid> haha, yeah, get the farmer with his chainsaw lol
[14:08] <fsphil> spot isn't really meant to be used the way it has :)
[14:08] <jonsowman> good work with it though fsphil, I love the altitude encoding
[14:09] <HAMBotty> NigeyS, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
[14:09] <NigeyS> fs
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[14:16] <Zuph> Morning, #highaltitude
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTmlDmlVbFc
[14:16] <Laurenceb_> the text makes me lol
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> apparently they burnt out some fets on the lin ac driver board
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[14:26] <NigeyS> !top10
[14:26] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. fsphil(853) 2. NigeyS(759) 3. Dan-K2VOL(546) 4. jcoxon(411) 5. eroomde(313) 6. SpeedEvil(238) 7. MNSP(210) 8. jonsowman(196) 9. Laurenceb_(183) 10. cuddykid(156)
[14:26] <jonsowman> 8th, I'm getting there.
[14:26] <NigeyS> lol it crashed again, twice its had a seg violation :(
[14:27] <jonsowman> NigeyS: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html
[14:27] <NigeyS> oo pisg , i had a play with that yesterday too
[14:27] Action: fsphil talks too much nonsense :)
[14:27] <jonsowman> fsphil: :P
[14:28] <NigeyS> did you have trouble with the timestamps making the logs non parseable jon ?
[14:28] <Randomskk> what happened to me? D:
[14:28] <NigeyS> you fell off Randomskk lol
[14:28] <Randomskk> what's the time period?
[14:28] <jonsowman> NigeyS: ask DanielRichman
[14:28] <NigeyS> mine is from yesterday about 1pm, not sure what jons is
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[14:29] <jonsowman> the pisg stats are since zeusbot moved to nessie
[14:29] <jonsowman> ie 257 days
[14:29] <NigeyS> jonsowman, its ok i fixed it, apparently the new ver of eggdrop includes the seconds in the timestamp, pisg doesnt recognise it, had to download a custom .pm module
[14:29] <jonsowman> oh okay
[14:29] <NigeyS> im guessing zeus is older than 16.20
[14:29] <NigeyS> 1.6.20*
[14:30] <jonsowman> i don't really know
[14:31] <cuddykid> common onepoll, give me more surveys, I need the money for the balloon!
[14:32] <NigeyS> jonsowman knows that wisdom is the real wealth and asked 2 questions.
[14:32] <NigeyS> Randomskk was also seeking for input 2 times
[14:32] <NigeyS> heh
[14:32] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Looking for high altitude life, one flight under
[14:32] <cuddykid> that page is fantastic!
[14:32] <NigeyS> the 2 wise men :D
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[14:33] <MNSP> hello all :)
[14:33] <MNSP> any news?
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[14:34] <NigeyS> jonsowman, how did you get the actual graph images to show up ?
[14:34] <NigeyS> http://nigey.co.uk/ircstats/ mine are missing :|
[14:34] <jonsowman> DanielRichman did it :)
[14:34] <jonsowman> sorry, not much help
[14:34] <NigeyS> ahh okies np
[14:36] <MNSP> yay, I'm on the chart :)
[14:36] <Randomskk> NigeyS: http://nigey.co.uk/ircstats/red-v.png
[14:37] <NigeyS> ahh
[14:38] <NigeyS> must be a seperate config line for image location
[14:38] <ejcweb> MNSP: Not as far as I am aware. The latest news was that the payload is stuck in a tall tree.
[14:39] <NigeyS> what is it with james and trees?!
[14:39] <MNSP> Ahh, but they did find it
[14:39] <jonsowman> hehe
[14:39] <NigeyS> jonsowman, we should all group together and get him a chainsaw!
[14:39] <jonsowman> or a helicopter
[14:39] <ejcweb> I texted the Nexus just now and it is still there, so I'm not sure what the plan is.
[14:39] <NigeyS> haha a small RC 1 with some wire cutters maybe? :D
[14:39] Action: jonsowman hopes to see a video of james climbing trees later today
[14:40] <NigeyS> now theres a project for some1 !
[14:40] <Zuph> I would have thought you guys had cut down all the trees on that little island by now.
[14:40] <NigeyS> Hab-Rescue 1
[14:40] <NigeyS> oi its not so little! lol
[14:40] <jonsowman> it's also covered in trees
[14:40] <jonsowman> not that very many land in trees really
[14:40] <MNSP> and we've got plenty left thank you very much :P
[14:40] <MNSP> lol
[14:40] <NigeyS> isnt something like 35% of our land mass "forest" ?
[14:41] <The-Compiler> wtf is spot at spacenear.us, and why is it traveling over the north pacific ocean? o.o
[14:41] <NigeyS> :o
[14:41] <NigeyS> james taking a swim....
[14:42] <jonsowman> The-Compiler: it's a SPoT sat modem
[14:42] <jonsowman> and the weird trace is due to the altitude encoding
[14:43] <Randomskk> lol the spot trace is long enough to wrap
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[14:44] <Zuph> Consider me corrected then, you guys have plenty of trees to stick balloons in :)
[14:44] <jonsowman> hehe
[14:44] <MNSP> :D cheeky
[14:45] <NigeyS> we'll stick to our trees, you guys over the pond can keep you FLAT land and Deserts :p
[14:46] <LazyLeopard> There was that other one which ended up suspended from one of the few trees around, just inches above the water in the canal...
[14:46] <MNSP> without fear of a sea splashdown, no thanks !
[14:46] <NigeyS> lol
[14:46] <MNSP> this hobby isn't nearly as relaxing as would hope
[14:46] <jonsowman> LazyLeopard: ballasthalo4 wasn't it?
[14:47] <MNSP> *as one
[14:47] <NigeyS> liquid water can exist with a boiling point of 2'C at 100,000ft ...
[14:47] <NigeyS> didnt know that :|
[14:47] <Zuph> Hah, oh, don't worry, we've still got plenty of trees here to stick our balloons in.
[14:48] <NigeyS> lol Zuph
[14:48] <Zuph> Dan's dream is to rig payloads with PVA string/rope, so the rain releases the payload.
[14:49] <NigeyS> haha now thatd be fun!
[14:49] <MNSP> errrrm??
[14:49] <NigeyS> almost as fun as electrocuting his cat, cruel sod! LOL
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[14:50] <MNSP> whats the news james?
[14:50] <Zuph> Oh, the cat only touched it once. Now Dan has to touch it himself to demonstrate :-p
[14:50] <NigeyS> james, AVOID THE BLOODY TREES WILL YA ! :p
[14:51] <NigeyS> haha Zuph sneak in and up the voltage ;)
[14:51] <Zuph> jcoxon: We've got a tree climber on retainer here. Might be a bit expensive to get him shipped over, but he does good work :-p
[14:51] <NigeyS> ping Laurenceb_
[14:52] <MNSP> Nigeys.. thats an awful idea!! What he should do is up the voltage and add superglue
[14:52] <NigeyS> oo thats an evil plan .......... i like it! ;)
[14:52] <MNSP> maybe lock the door on way out too
[14:53] <fsphil> poor dan
[14:53] <NigeyS> lol he's gonna love us
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> NigeyS?
[14:55] <NigeyS> hey Laurenceb_
[14:55] <NigeyS> i got an order going in to farnells soon if you need anything? .. returning the favour
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> fraid not im ok i think
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[14:56] <NigeyS> oki dude
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[14:58] <Zuph> Finally got that STM32 dev board doing something. Have to say, I like it.
[14:58] <Zuph> Aside from horrible documentation across all the possible libraries.
[14:59] <MNSP> right, off again ttfn
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[15:43] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: you there
[15:43] <NigeyS> yo
[15:44] <DanielRichman> http://pastie.org/1885446
[15:45] <DanielRichman> piclocation is by default 'gfx' I believe so simply copying the gfx folder shipped with psg into the folder from which your stats are browsed will work I think
[15:45] <NigeyS> ahh thats perfect, thanks dude!
[15:46] <NigeyS> did you get probs with the parser module ?
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[15:57] <DanielRichman> NigeyS: nope
[15:57] <DanielRichman> well, I don't think so
[15:57] <DanielRichman> just ran it and it worked
[15:57] <DanielRichman> make sure you set the correct format
[15:58] <NigeyS> ah oki, i hit a problem as the newer ver of eggdrop lofs seconds and requires a custom module
[15:58] <NigeyS> logs*
[15:58] <DanielRichman> a custom pisg module?
[16:00] <DanielRichman> you can patch the eggdrop parser module. Just looking at /usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/eggdrop.pm it's all regexes
[16:00] <DanielRichman> [(\d+):\d+\] => [(\d+):\d+\:\d+\]
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[16:03] <NigeyS> oh, thats handy
[16:04] <NigeyS> http://nigey.co.uk/ircstats/
[16:04] <NigeyS> there we go
[16:04] <NigeyS> not sure why its included a highaltitude log in the other channel stats mind
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[16:45] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: http://twitgoo.com/29h8h1 tree #atlasballoon [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/67993658313547777]
[16:46] <W0OTM> jcoxon: I feel ur pain!
[16:46] <SamSilver> aohh deaar them is tall
[16:46] <SamSilver> dear
[16:47] <eroomde> hmm. that's not coming back in a hurry
[16:49] <SamSilver> is that it in the third tree from left near the top?
[16:51] <SamSilver> bbl
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[16:56] <ejcweb> ah.
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[16:59] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Can't spot the payload. Somewhere near the top?
[17:00] <NigeyS> definately buying james a chainsaw
[17:00] <NigeyS> eroomde, got a project for you ..
[17:01] <NigeyS> HAB Rescue Copter :D
[17:02] <ejcweb> Perhaps if I ring the Nexus One it will vibrate enough to dislodge it... :P
[17:03] <NigeyS> lol
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[17:03] <NigeyS> i think my RC copter idea is better, might have an issue with the branches chewing up the rotor blades though :|
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[17:06] <LazyLeopard> I guess it could be a while before a storm blows the payload down...
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[17:45] <eroomde> hi jcoxon
[17:46] <jonsowman> hows recovery looking jcoxon ?
[17:46] <jonsowman> eroomde: blimp shed acceptable?
[17:47] <eroomde> does anyone have a wav of a few seconds of some rtty? I want a reasonably noisy signal (but not too noisy) to test some noise-filtering stuff
[17:47] <eroomde> jonsowman: yes very good
[17:47] <eroomde> right by the radio telescopes
[17:47] <eroomde> would make an excellent cusf pad
[17:47] <jonsowman> sounds great
[17:48] <jonsowman> eroomde: LazyLeopard had a nexus recording from today that's fairly faint
[17:48] <jonsowman> eroomde: http://home.lazyleopard.org.uk/nexus-fm.wav
[17:50] <LazyLeopard> It's on my home system, and It'll probably vanish in the overnight clean-up.
[17:50] <eroomde> curling it now
[17:51] <LazyLeopard> There's also a bit of today's atlas flight, but as it's the bit where the hellschreiber beacon was impinging on the RTTY it may be too noisy for your purposes.
[17:51] <LazyLeopard> http://home.lazyleopard.org.uk/atlas.wav
[17:51] <eroomde> yes i want something somewhere in the middle
[17:52] <fsphil> I've got a few samples but they're quite weak
[17:52] <eroomde> enough noise to test noise models, enough rtty to get meaningful comparisons between this thing and matched-filters
[17:52] <fsphil> eroomde, may be too weak: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hab/samples/
[17:53] <eroomde> fsphil: ic iii part 1 is good. on the weaker side but the sort of thing that i reckon this algorithm could cope with but dl-fldigi couldn't
[17:54] <eroomde> which is sort of the objective of my faffing :)
[17:54] <fsphil> excellent
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[18:02] <eroomde> LazyLeopard: wow awesome
[18:02] <eroomde> definitely non-gaussian noise there!
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[18:18] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Yeah, it became a bit un-decodable for a while...
[18:19] <Dan-K2VOL> How did the flight go
[18:19] <LazyLeopard> Interestingly
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[18:21] <fsphil> what mode was the sstv stuff?
[18:22] <LazyLeopard> Martin 1?
[18:22] <LazyLeopard> I think that's what the list email said.
[18:22] <fsphil> indeed
[18:22] <fsphil> ta
[18:24] <fsphil> ah, moon buggy
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[18:24] <fsphil> it doesn't sound too bad
[18:25] <fsphil> I think voice would be understandable at that range
[18:27] <LazyLeopard> Very probably. Maybe 4 and 3 rather than 5 and 9, but readable...
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[18:28] <Randomskk> did anyone get any image captures from the sstv?
[18:29] <fsphil> it was the same image each time I think, not a live camera
[18:29] <fsphil> M0DTS got one and is uploading it later
[18:29] <fsphil> I just decoded one from LazyLeopard's recording
[18:30] <LazyLeopard> Strewth!
[18:30] <Randomskk> I think it had a few it cycled through, but yea
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[18:30] <Randomskk> it can do live camera, but we didn't have a hole for it to look out of
[18:30] <Randomskk> so it just sent some stock photos
[18:31] <fsphil> seemed to work well
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[18:57] <LazyLeopard> So what's the decoded image look like?
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[19:06] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT4y4xb2UYI&feature=player_embedded
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[19:44] <MNSP> Hello All :)
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> o
[19:45] <MNSP> Whats the news from the payloads?
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[19:46] <SpeedEvil> I think still in tree
[19:47] <MNSP> oh :(
[19:48] <fsphil> it's at one with nature
[19:48] <jonsowman> haha
[19:48] <MNSP> so no-one took up NigeyS on the HAB rescue 1 helicopter yet?
[19:48] <NigeyS> nope, im gonna do it myself
[19:49] <MNSP> Nice
[19:49] <NigeyS> rc chopter, minicam, and a pole with some wire cutters and a mini flamethrower!
[19:49] <MNSP> I suppose polystyrene isn't very bio-degradable
[19:49] <fsphil> mount the cutters on the helicopter
[19:49] <fsphil> servo driven
[19:49] <NigeyS> on a pole phil ..
[19:49] <fsphil> the helicopter? that's silly
[19:49] <NigeyS> cant get to close, the blades will get torn up on branches
[19:49] <MNSP> LOL
[19:50] <NigeyS> noo, have a pole attatched to the front of the chopter with wirecutters on the end
[19:50] <MNSP> Razor blades on the tips of the blades
[19:50] <BrainDamage> just pack sufficient explosives to destroy ~50m^2 of ground
[19:50] <fsphil> aaaah
[19:50] <NigeyS> and a mini flame thrower .. cause if the wire cutters fail, we'll burn the bloody tree down :D !
[19:50] <MNSP> KaBooom
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[19:55] <SpeedEvil> trained squirrels.
[19:56] <jonsowman> clearly the best idea ^^
[19:57] <fsphil> that plan is nuts
[19:57] <MNSP> surely they're hands aren't big enough to operate the RC controls of the helicopter
[19:57] <fsphil> lol
[19:57] <jonsowman> fsphil: lol
[19:57] <MNSP> or are we talking stuart little operation
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[20:07] <jcoxon> hey all
[20:07] <jcoxon> still in tree
[20:07] <jcoxon> unable to recover today
[20:08] <jonsowman> jcoxon: oh dear
[20:08] <jonsowman> what's the plan then?
[20:08] <MNSP> damn
[20:08] <jcoxon> friday
[20:08] <jcoxon> we have got a line over the branch just below the payload
[20:08] <jcoxon> first plan is to lift a wire saw up and cut
[20:08] <MNSP> assuming no local farmer/helpful fire brigade
[20:09] <jcoxon> MNSP, nope
[20:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Howard Smith "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Information Please"
[20:09] <MNSP> btw, jcoxon, thanks for letting me tag along, most isightful
[20:09] <jcoxon> MNSP, no problem
[20:09] <jcoxon> real shame it couldn't be recovered
[20:10] <jonsowman> that is a shame
[20:10] <MNSP> but on the plus side, you know where it is
[20:10] <jonsowman> any idea what happened with the GPS jcoxon?
[20:10] <MNSP> and it didn't get wet feet
[20:10] <jcoxon> jonsowman, not really
[20:11] <jonsowman> hmm
[20:11] <jcoxon> MNSP, yeah but its high, very high
[20:11] <MNSP> not the good kind either
[20:12] <MNSP> errm as in flying I mean, not the other kind
[20:12] <jonsowman> :P
[20:12] <jcoxon> we'll get it down
[20:12] <jcoxon> last resort is cutting down the tree
[20:12] <jcoxon> we've been given permission
[20:12] <MNSP> now that is good news
[20:13] <jonsowman> oh nice
[20:13] <MNSP> how did you manage that?
[20:13] <jcoxon> we asked
[20:13] <jcoxon> its in a wooded area which has recently had lots of trees felled
[20:13] <jcoxon> the big boss said that it wouldn't matter if another one came down
[20:13] <jonsowman> ah fair enough
[20:13] <jcoxon> however i don't want to go there
[20:14] <jonsowman> yeah, would be better not to
[20:14] <jcoxon> its pretty wedged
[20:14] <jcoxon> hence the need to cut
[20:14] <jcoxon> seems like SPoT is working
[20:14] <jonsowman> yup
[20:14] <jcoxon> now
[20:14] <jonsowman> shame after such a great launch
[20:16] <MNSP> was there any on board data logging? I don't recall
[20:16] <jcoxon> no data logged
[20:17] <jcoxon> jonsowman, we'll try again on friday
[20:17] <MNSP> ok so its just the componentes up there
[20:17] <jonsowman> jcoxon: getting it down?
[20:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:17] <jonsowman> cool ok :)
[20:17] <jonsowman> let me know how it goes
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[20:19] <jcoxon> jonsowman, i think i'm going have to fly some more atlas flights to test this gps
[20:19] <jonsowman> before the floater?
[20:19] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:19] <jonsowman> and yes, I think that's a good idea
[20:19] <jcoxon> need to recover this one
[20:19] <jonsowman> yup
[20:19] <jcoxon> wonder if it'll still be working on friday
[20:20] <jonsowman> I'm going to be busy over the next few weeks due to exams, which finish 10th june
[20:20] <jcoxon> its okay
[20:20] <jonsowman> but let me know what you're planning
[20:20] <jcoxon> i'll be busy again soon
[20:21] <jonsowman> I'm planning a couple of CUSF/Nova launches over the summer
[20:21] <jonsowman> to test a new flight computer
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[20:34] <NigeyS> hey Steve
[20:40] <Laurenceb> what happened today?
[20:40] Action: Laurenceb hasnt been following
[20:40] <Laurenceb> apart from the earth rotating 2pi
[20:41] <LazyLeopard> An "interesting" flight for atlas/nexus...
[20:41] <Laurenceb> recovery?
[20:42] <LazyLeopard> There's a very tall tree involved.
[20:42] <RocketBoy> its up a tree
[20:42] <Laurenceb> oops
[20:42] <LazyLeopard> A chainsaw may need to be deployed.
[20:43] <RocketBoy> yeah - a uber high tree
[20:43] <RocketBoy> right at the top
[20:43] <LazyLeopard> ...and two GPSs decided to play the "I don't like it up here." trick...
[20:43] <MNSP> or a squirrel operated rc helicopter with flame thrower and wire cutters
[20:43] <RocketBoy> well stuck in the branches
[20:44] <RocketBoy> was thinking about det cord
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> ...so only the early stages of the flight were well recorded.
[20:44] <BrainDamage> just pack a bomb on the squirrel
[20:44] <Laurenceb> better than the sea
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> Yep. Definitely better than the sea.
[20:44] <NigeyS> http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2009/special/lessdegrees/pius-edelweiss.htm yum yum
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[20:44] <Laurenceb> theres a video somewhere where they shoot a hab out of a tree with a gas cannon
[20:45] <MNSP> aahh, kinda like a t-shirt canon you mean?
[20:45] <MNSP> or a good paintball gun could give it a good whack
[20:46] <BrainDamage> a light gas gun would be more fun
[20:46] <BrainDamage> 40km/s woo
[20:46] <MNSP> rail gun... thats all Im saying
[20:47] <BrainDamage> if you pay me shipping, I can lend you mine
[20:47] <BrainDamage> 10kJ
[20:47] <BrainDamage> rails are built for a 0.3g aluminium chunk
[20:47] <BrainDamage> 0.5 cm spacing, 1cm length
[20:47] <MNSP> will the squirrel be able to operate it?
[20:48] <BrainDamage> if you do all the assembly & loading yourself, I guess
[20:48] <BrainDamage> just place some nuts over the fire button
[20:48] <MNSP> cause training them will take a while... its not that they're daft, its more a union thing
[20:51] <Laurenceb> erm 6km/s max
[20:51] <Laurenceb> for light gas
[20:52] <MNSP> .. sorry went to far with the squirrel thing
[20:53] <BrainDamage> Laurenceb: sorry, I meant a km/h :p
[20:53] <BrainDamage> 40kkm/h
[20:53] <BrainDamage> I mixed a bit the things
[20:54] <Laurenceb> ah
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[21:04] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy
[21:04] <RocketBoy> yo
[21:04] <jcoxon> pm
[21:04] <RocketBoy> ok
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[21:10] <Laurenceb> anyone here got an fsa03 setup?
[21:11] <fsphil> not handy, it's in the payload box
[21:11] <Laurenceb> apparently you can get it running up to 10hz with ucenter
[21:11] <Laurenceb> would be interesting to try
[21:12] <MNSP> hmm, excuse ignorance, but is that with ublox?
[21:13] <fsphil> yea
[21:13] <MNSP> so would that work with gpsbee?
[21:14] <fsphil> should do - same chip I think
[21:14] <MNSP> ublox 5 I think
[21:14] <Laurenceb> any non flash based ublox
[21:14] <Laurenceb> supposedly
[21:14] <Laurenceb> - ublox5
[21:14] <W0OTM> Hello
[21:14] <W0OTM> ping natrium42
[21:14] <MNSP> hiya w0otm
[21:14] <Laurenceb> not sure i beleive this
[21:15] <Randomskk> I have a gps bee around
[21:15] <Randomskk> but only linux
[21:15] <Randomskk> I could shove it on my ftdi xbee explorer thing and talk to it over the serial port if you want
[21:17] <Laurenceb> ucenter runs on wine
[21:17] <Laurenceb> cant remeber if i ever got the serial working tho...
[21:17] <Laurenceb> i only have flash based ublox5s to hand
[21:21] <Laurenceb> i see to remeber theres a way to get ucenter talking to serial ports under wine
[21:21] <jcoxon> yeah it works on wine
[21:22] <Laurenceb> but talking to serial ports?
[21:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:22] <jcoxon> in wineconfig
[21:22] <fsphil> you can create a symbolic link to your /dev/tty port in ~/.wine/dosdevices
[21:22] <Laurenceb> doh i remeber now XD
[21:22] <Laurenceb> *remember
[21:23] <fsphil> for some reason wine isn't working well here, takes about 5 minutes for a program to start
[21:23] <Laurenceb> :(
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[21:31] <ejcweb> jcoxon: Presumably the payload is still in the tree?
[21:34] <jcoxon> ejcweb, yup
[21:34] <jcoxon> its really high
[21:34] <jcoxon> but we are hatching a plan
[21:34] <ejcweb> What does this plan involve?
[21:35] <jonsowman> a massive chainsaw
[21:35] <MNSP> lol, don't get me started
[21:35] <jcoxon> a wire saw to cut some of the higher branches
[21:35] <ejcweb> So is it right at the top of the trees in that photo?
[21:35] <jcoxon> oh yes
[21:35] <jcoxon> draped over the top
[21:35] <jcoxon> but tangled
[21:36] <jcoxon> we shook the tree quite a bit
[21:36] <ejcweb> How was finding it?
[21:36] <jonsowman> so unlucky
[21:36] <jcoxon> it was where it was
[21:36] <jcoxon> as in where it said it was
[21:36] <jcoxon> just it was high so difficult to see
[21:36] <jcoxon> then we had to get permission to go on the land
[21:37] <ejcweb> And are those trees on private land?
[21:37] <ejcweb> Ok
[21:37] <jcoxon> ejcweb, is the android still working?
[21:37] <ejcweb> How do you even get a wire saw that high?
[21:37] <jcoxon> SPoT certainly is
[21:37] <ejcweb> Um, I haven't checked for a while... I doubt it.
[21:37] <jcoxon> ejcweb, we've managed to get a line up about 47ft
[21:37] <jcoxon> its just underneath the payload
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[21:38] <ejcweb> I had contact with the Nexus around half 6.
[21:39] <ejcweb> I've just texted it now, but don't expect to hear anything back realistically.
[21:39] <jcoxon> ejcweb, we'll get it down eventually
[21:39] <ejcweb> I think it's battery was about 60% when it landed.
[21:39] <jcoxon> just might get heavy duty
[21:39] <ejcweb> So was whoever's land it was helpful?
[21:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:41] <MNSP> how high up is it jcoxon?
[21:43] <jcoxon> 50ft
[21:43] <jonsowman> :(
[21:44] <MNSP> just thinking out loud.. would a long 'anchor' cord mitigate? small weight hanging down from payload. doesn't help here but maybe help in future?
[21:45] <NigeyS> Hab Rescue Copter !!!!!!
[21:45] <NigeyS> im tellin ya, itll work
[21:47] <Randomskk> or an explosive get-unstuck mechanism
[21:47] <Randomskk> maybe a rocket motor on the side of the thing
[21:47] <jonsowman> this is getting sillier and sillier :P
[21:47] <Randomskk> come on, a rocket would be super awesome
[21:47] <Laurenceb> exploding payload
[21:48] <MNSP> I wasn't :(
[21:48] <jonsowman> haha
[21:48] <Laurenceb> collect the deity
[21:48] <MNSP> ...this time, but the squirrels are just waiting to come back
[21:49] <fsphil> Careful MNSP, or the men in white coats will come and take you to the nut-house
[21:49] <BrainDamage> I told you, explosive packed squirrels, it's a win-win solution
[21:50] <BrainDamage> you get rid of the branches AND the squirrels
[21:50] <MNSP> :D
[21:51] <Laurenceb> nuts with fishing hooks inside
[21:51] Action: Laurenceb runs from peta
[21:52] <Randomskk> a load of thermite in the bottom of the payload
[21:53] <Randomskk> burn your way to the ground
[21:53] <jonsowman> lol
[21:53] <Randomskk> that would /eat/ through trees
[21:53] <Laurenceb> or... a rogallo
[21:53] <Randomskk> still get caught in trees :P
[21:53] <jonsowman> and cars, people, cats
[21:53] <Randomskk> jonsowman: engine blocks, houses, roads
[21:53] <Laurenceb> retruns to base, avoiding trees
[21:53] <BrainDamage> uhmm, a small amount of defoliant might actually not be an horrible idea
[21:53] <jonsowman> basically anything, in fact
[21:54] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: you have a map of all the trees?
[21:54] <BrainDamage> get some powder type
[21:54] <Randomskk> jonsowman: exactly! it's perfect
[21:54] <Randomskk> nothing will stop it
[21:54] <Laurenceb> no, you fly back to launch site
[21:54] <Laurenceb> which is of course free of trees
[21:54] <BrainDamage> ceramics can resist termite temps
[21:54] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: okay, fair enough, get on it :P
[21:54] <Randomskk> BrainDamage: :(
[21:54] <Laurenceb> already have, its next to me atm:P
[21:55] <MNSP> little ant things BrainDamage?
[21:55] <MNSP> :P
[21:55] <BrainDamage> thermite, thermite, whatever :p
[21:55] <BrainDamage> it'd actually resist both
[21:56] <Laurenceb> did your braindamage come from thermite to the head?
[21:56] <jonsowman> can we not fill payloads with termites please
[21:56] <MNSP> change of subje (temporary) where can I source dry ice in UK at reasonable price?
[21:56] <MNSP> *subject
[21:56] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdI_MmN-Lp4
[21:56] <BrainDamage> Laurenceb: I never said I am braindamaged, where did you get that?
[21:57] <ejcweb> I think it's especially ironic that 'Project Squirrel' was on board...
[21:57] <jonsowman> haha
[21:57] <Laurenceb> ^\
[21:58] <fsphil> you took the idea of a flying squirrel a bit too far there
[21:59] <Randomskk> haha to be fair jonsowman, filling them with termites is also a great plan
[21:59] <Randomskk> that would get through trees nicely
[21:59] <jonsowman> rather you than me
[21:59] <Randomskk> if they survived the 1% atmosphere and -40C
[22:00] <Randomskk> ejcweb: I think we jinxed it by saying how safe a flight it would be
[22:02] <MNSP> *note to self, use google before asking questions on here
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[22:02] <eroomde> MNSP: theatrical companies
[22:02] <eroomde> stage kit etc
[22:02] <eroomde> you can but like 20kg for not much cash
[22:03] <eroomde> they post it to you in boxes that can then be used for payloads - very thick-walled polystyrene
[22:03] <MNSP> oh thanks eroomde
[22:03] <jonsowman> two birds
[22:03] <eroomde> fazackerly
[22:03] <Randomskk> jonsowman: fail whale style payload recovery?
[22:03] <MNSP> you know, I think thats what the payload today may have been for
[22:04] <jonsowman> Randomskk: hahaha
[22:04] <BrainDamage> explosives pack more energy in a smaller volume/weight btw
[22:04] <BrainDamage> have you considered C4?
[22:04] <Randomskk> shaped charge to really get it unstuck?
[22:05] <MNSP> more of a bbc man really
[22:05] <eroomde> is it hanging or is the box itself wedged?
[22:05] <MNSP> sorry, poor gag
[22:05] <eroomde> it was so bad i needed you to point out that it was a joke for me to see that it was a joke
[22:06] <BrainDamage> I got that without help sadly
[22:06] <Randomskk> maybe use razor wire to connect the payload to parachute
[22:06] <Randomskk> that'd cut through minor snags on the way down
[22:06] <BrainDamage> and fingers during the liftoff
[22:06] <eroomde> more seriously, a pyro at the top of the payload to the line that could be remotely triggered would be good
[22:07] <eroomde> using just a short-range transponder like a zigbee that you could activate from the ground beneath
[22:07] <Randomskk> that would be neat
[22:07] <eroomde> a payload remote control
[22:07] <MNSP> what about cut down a cut down wire just above pl
[22:07] <BrainDamage> mmm, most of the payload is just foam, isn't it?
[22:07] <BrainDamage> can't you blow up the foam?
[22:07] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. Wouldn't want them to trigger at 30kms...
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[22:07] <eroomde> BrainDamage: that's the nuclear option
[22:08] <Laurenceb> or the pyro activates automatically
[22:08] <Laurenceb> when it detects 'landing'
[22:08] <BrainDamage> I mean, the circuit boats are much smaller, and got much higher density
[22:08] <MNSP> just melt away all the polystyrene, gosh, its an answer
[22:08] <Laurenceb> when gps velocity -> ~0
[22:08] <BrainDamage> ergo they should be able to get trough stuff better
[22:08] <Laurenceb> fire the pyro
[22:08] <eroomde> one of those weed-killer butane burners on a long stick
[22:08] <eroomde> you might start a forest fire tho
[22:08] <Laurenceb> not in the uk
[22:09] <BrainDamage> defoliants would be much more localized
[22:09] <eroomde> there are forest fires in the uk burning *right now*
[22:09] <Laurenceb> yeah i guess
[22:09] <ejcweb> Of course, I guess a pyro could be connected in some way to the right audio channel of the headphone socket of the phone, which could be triggered by text message.
[22:09] <Laurenceb> but not usually in the uk, its too damp
[22:09] <ejcweb> Would have to keep that text code secret...
[22:09] <eroomde> ejcweb: good idea
[22:09] <Laurenceb> surely a cutdown that fires when it detects landing
[22:10] <BrainDamage> just program the code right before the launch
[22:10] <eroomde> ejcweb: while boasting to a work colleage how fast my new pc starts cos of the ssd today, i said 'so i press the button, type [i said my password here] and start chrome - the whole process takes 9 seconds from start to finish'
[22:10] <eroomde> and he said 'ah cool.... and thanks for telling me your password'
[22:10] <eroomde> doofus
[22:10] <jonsowman> haha
[22:10] <jonsowman> I typed mine into irc the other day
[22:10] <jonsowman> D:
[22:11] <eroomde> oh i do that every so often
[22:11] <eroomde> i put a space before /msg NickServ identify xxxxxx
[22:11] <Randomskk> this is why I only have irssi do that automatically
[22:11] <eroomde> and #highaltitude gets to see my password
[22:11] <jonsowman> I have irssi identify me with services on start
[22:11] <Laurenceb> guys seriously, its simple
[22:11] <Randomskk> though oops saying password out loud about booting
[22:12] <BrainDamage> this is not about simplicity, this is about the most crazy way it can be done
[22:12] <Laurenceb> if the gps velocity has dropped to ~0 for a few seconds, operate the secondary cutter
[22:12] <Laurenceb> also altitude <200m etc etc
[22:12] <MNSP> as I understand it remote mobile det is through vibration bit off a mobile
[22:12] <ejcweb> eroomde: Lol
[22:12] <Laurenceb> lots of sanity checks
[22:12] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: could still go wrong though, best to not fire it if you don't know where it is
[22:12] <BrainDamage> and that it climbed at least for 100m
[22:12] <Randomskk> like if it landed on a road or near people or animals or something flammable
[22:13] <LazyLeopard> ...and hope the GPS doesn't decide to get sticky in the wrong manner... ;)
[22:13] <Laurenceb> resistor cutter
[22:13] <eroomde> listen, i think if someone is poking around your github ejcweb, say a gchq bot, and see 'activate explose with text message' then you might suddenly dissappear one night
[22:13] <Randomskk> hahaha oh man
[22:13] <ejcweb> we need to keep them on their toes, right.
[22:13] <BrainDamage> then call it "remote disconnection"
[22:13] <Laurenceb> lol
[22:13] <ejcweb> i'll be honest, I'd already actually added that into the code for the sms app :P
[22:14] <LazyLeopard> Anyway... time to get some sleep. G'night fols.
[22:14] <ejcweb> just hadn't worked out the electronics side of things...
[22:14] <MNSP> just look at all the lovely keywords on here tonight
[22:14] <eroomde> see ya LazyLeopard
[22:14] <eroomde> good tracking today
[22:14] <MNSP> g'nite
[22:14] <ejcweb> Yes, thanks LazyLeopard.
[22:14] <BrainDamage> I'm actually trying to build atm an exploding bridgewire detonator
[22:14] <Laurenceb> related - http://www.puromycin.co.uk/images/OsamaBinWallace.jpg
[22:14] <eroomde> MNSP: http://www.bash.org/?88575
[22:14] <BrainDamage> but switching 20J in 1us is not easy :/
[22:15] <MNSP> Thanks eroomde!! I just put that on my laptop
[22:15] <LazyLeopard> Those wav files will probably get cleaned away overnight, but I guess folks as wanted them have grabbed them by now, and if not then I guess I can put them back up another time.
[22:16] <MNSP> so when the comp forensics boys take a look, I'll look like a wrong un
[22:16] <LazyLeopard> It's been an interesting day's tracking.
[22:16] <eroomde> :)
[22:16] <MNSP> LOL
[22:16] <eroomde> LazyLeopard: got it already
[22:16] <eroomde> thank you
[22:16] <eroomde> you have really interesting noise characteristics
[22:16] <MNSP> actually, my passport photo has gotten me into a couple of situations already
[22:17] <eroomde> a properly fading channel with gaussian mixtures and something really long tailed causing clicks, like laplacian or something
[22:17] <eroomde> it'll be a real sht to model but very valulable
[22:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.bash.org/?24663
[22:17] <MNSP> am not looking, am not looking
[22:17] <fsphil> lol
[22:17] <fsphil> go on
[22:18] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Information Please"
[22:18] <LazyLeopard> The nexus one, it just seemed that the FM was fuzzy for some reason. The atlas one, it was generating its own interference .;)
[22:18] <Randomskk> eroomde: do you have any idea about those switches in the lab?
[22:18] <Randomskk> (network switches, that is)
[22:18] <eroomde> which switches?
[22:18] <eroomde> oh
[22:18] <eroomde> no
[22:18] <eroomde> erm, talk to jonathan cameron
[22:18] <Laurenceb> the big red wmd switches?
[22:18] <eroomde> i can if you want
[22:18] <LazyLeopard> --> sleep.
[22:18] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: ssh
[22:18] <Randomskk> we don't talk about those
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[22:19] <eroomde> he's the one that campaigned to get better netowkring down there in the first place in the lab next to us
[22:19] <Randomskk> oh, he was trying to get networking too? did that get very far?
[22:19] <eroomde> he has it
[22:19] <MNSP> oh btw did anyone pick up the hellschreiber thingy earlier today
[22:20] <jonsowman> eroomde: I've basically sorted network access for the two desktop machines in the lab
[22:20] <jonsowman> just need a switch, and to get IP addresses for them from IT services
[22:20] <eroomde> cool
[22:20] <Randomskk> if we can borrow those switches that have been taking up our valuable lab space that would do nicely, though typically they'd be like 10mbps or something
[22:21] <eroomde> then we can net and have our own network?
[22:21] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Information Please"
[22:21] <jonsowman> eroomde: yes
[22:21] <eroomde> i'll chat to jonathan tomorrow. jonsowman you should come too iuw
[22:21] <Randomskk> I don't think we'd get our own router, but we get our own IPs and presumably domain too
[22:21] <Randomskk> maybe cusf.eng.cam.ac.uk, that'd be sweet
[22:21] <Randomskk> :3
[22:21] <eroomde> you'd be lucky
[22:21] <Randomskk> haha yea
[22:21] <eroomde> i think that's not going to happen
[22:21] <jonsowman> eroomde: we can also request being able to run a webserver if we want to do so
[22:21] <Randomskk> either way, IPs and wired network access for both those machines, and we can run ssh and www
[22:22] <eroomde> yes, tho do we want to do so?
[22:22] <Randomskk> not really
[22:22] <jonsowman> eroomde: well indeed, that's the question
[22:22] <eroomde> that's one of those things that seems to have not such a good signal to noise ratio for achieving cool things
[22:22] <jonsowman> I'll probably ask for ssh access for the linux machine, as it will probably come in useful at some point, as it easily done
[22:22] <jonsowman> *and it's
[22:22] <eroomde> you can shell in from any of the gate servers in cued
[22:22] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:23] <eroomde> they really loathe direct ssh though
[22:23] <Randomskk> jonsowman: yea, I'd be tempted to keep the ssh access to internal only#
[22:23] <jonsowman> not asking for direct ssh
[22:23] <jonsowman> I know
[22:23] <eroomde> oic
[22:23] <jonsowman> but that has to be requested
[22:23] <Randomskk> isn't that on by default?
[22:23] <Randomskk> oh, okay
[22:23] <jonsowman> no
[22:23] <eroomde> it should work already then
[22:23] <eroomde> oh
[22:23] <jonsowman> james didn't seem to think so
[22:23] <eroomde> it worked for the machines in my lab
[22:23] <jonsowman> I'll check, either way
[22:23] <jonsowman> internal ssh is fine
[22:23] <Randomskk> meh, well easily enough sorted
[22:23] <eroomde> maybe they were specifically set up like that
[22:23] <Randomskk> having a supervisor who is also head of it services is handy
[22:24] <jonsowman> yep :)
[22:24] <Laurenceb> http://www.bash.org/?761845
[22:24] <eroomde> Laurenceb: chillax
[22:24] <eroomde> you can loose entire days to that site
[22:24] <eroomde> bbiab
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Only till you've read them all. New ones come out rather slower.
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/questions/ is a good alternative.
[22:26] <ejcweb> Did any SSTV images from today ever turn up?
[22:28] <jonsowman> eroomde: what time are you going to chat to this jonathan guy?
[22:28] <Laurenceb> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=174181
[22:29] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5708576126/in/photostream
[22:29] <Laurenceb> ^interesting, looks like it is true
[22:29] <jonsowman> oh wow jcoxon
[22:29] <jonsowman> nice
[22:29] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5708576026/in/photostream/
[22:29] <jcoxon> it was closeby
[22:29] <jonsowman> ah ok
[22:29] <jonsowman> still
[22:29] <Laurenceb> im guessing SBAS and EGNOS are pretty similar cpu load wise
[22:29] <jonsowman> pretty cool
[22:29] <Laurenceb> why nexus 1?
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[22:29] <fsphil> I tried on the recording, for some reason mmsstv kept thinking it was one of the Robot modes
[22:30] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: guess what was transmitting :P
[22:30] <Laurenceb> ah i see
[22:30] <Laurenceb> java code?
[22:30] <Randomskk> ejcweb's
[22:31] <Laurenceb> interesting, developer code or what?
[22:31] Action: Laurenceb forgets how andriod works
[22:31] <Randomskk> you write java apps, you can run them
[22:31] <Randomskk> there's not much in the way of restrictions
[22:31] <Laurenceb> nice
[22:31] <ejcweb> Laurenceb: Yep, it's all achieved through the app framework.
[22:31] <Randomskk> it gets the gps, it sends/replies to texts, it outputs rtty audio from the headphone port
[22:31] <Laurenceb> pity about the laggyness etc
[22:31] <jonsowman> ejcweb: fancy launching it again after exams?
[22:32] <Laurenceb> presumably you create an audio stream thats then handled by the os?
[22:32] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Yep, I'd definitely like to. If we can get it in it's own payload box so that it can take photos and video too then that would be nice.
[22:32] <Randomskk> ejcweb: did you see the google io conference?
[22:32] <Randomskk> specifically the ADK?
[22:32] <ejcweb> Plus may as well do the pyro stuff too :P
[22:32] <jonsowman> ejcweb: I'm sure we can manage all that
[22:32] <Laurenceb> right im off, cya all
[22:33] <jonsowman> definitely up for doing another launch after exams though
[22:33] <Randomskk> ejcweb: seriously if we make a box that fires a detonator when it receives a certain text that could be quite dodgy though
[22:33] <ejcweb> Laurenceb: Yep, I generate all the audio samples and shove that straight into an audio stream.
[22:33] <jonsowman> chasing might be an issue. unless eroomde is feeling generous
[22:33] <Randomskk> jonsowman: bikes :P
[22:33] <jonsowman> Randomskk: lol
[22:33] <ejcweb> Well I guess we could always hire the Churchill streetcar.
[22:33] <Randomskk> ooh, yea
[22:33] <Randomskk> I keep forgetting you have one
[22:33] <Randomskk> s'quite fun
[22:33] <jonsowman> ejcweb: oh, how does that work?
[22:33] <ejcweb> Randomskk: No, I didn't see the IO. What about ADK?
[22:33] <Randomskk> http://www.streetcar.co.uk/
[22:33] <Randomskk> ejcweb: :O
[22:34] <Randomskk> ejcweb: basically, :O
[22:34] <Randomskk> they have announced a new api thing for androids to talk to hardware accessories
[22:34] <jonsowman> cool, that'd work
[22:34] <Randomskk> so that you can connect your android up to other things
[22:34] <ejcweb> jonsowman: Plus I think we get a Churchill discount.
[22:34] <Randomskk> e.g. a treadmill links to an android exercise app or something
[22:34] <jonsowman> ejcweb: any idea on pricing then?
[22:34] <Randomskk> anyway the point is the ADK
[22:34] <Randomskk> accessory development kit
[22:34] <Randomskk> it's an arduino mega
[22:34] <Randomskk> literally an arduino
[22:34] <ejcweb> Randomskk: Oh cool stuff, I'll take a look at that somepoint.
[22:34] <Randomskk> and google've written a load of api stuff to make it super easy for android to talk to it
[22:35] <Randomskk> jonsowman: have you seen streetcar before? it's pretty neat
[22:35] <Randomskk> good for cities too :o and they do streetvan
[22:35] <jonsowman> I think I remember seeing it somewhere
[22:35] <jonsowman> maybe fifth gear?
[22:35] <Randomskk> I guess I saw ads for it on the tube ages back
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[22:36] <ejcweb> jonsowman: I think the base rate is just under £5 / hour.
[22:36] <jonsowman> shame it's not a 3-series
[22:36] <ejcweb> Though I don't know what the discount is for us.
[22:36] <jonsowman> ejcweb: I guess pick it up with a full tank, and return it the same?
[22:36] <ejcweb> That's the idea I think.
[22:36] <Randomskk> is it?
[22:36] <Randomskk> I can't remember how petrol works with it
[22:36] <jonsowman> ejcweb: if you could maybe find out about discount at some point, that'd be handy
[22:36] <Randomskk> btw there's one in wolfson too
[22:36] <jonsowman> :)
[22:37] <Randomskk> and another on clarkson rd
[22:37] <Randomskk> though chu one would obviously be best if we get a discount
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[22:37] <Randomskk> http://www.streetcar.co.uk/location.aspx?location=1492
[22:38] Action: SpeedEvil wishes streetcar was an option here.
[22:38] <ejcweb> Randomskk: Oh wow, the Android 3.1 new features do look nice (and useful too).
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> 17 miles is my closest.
[22:38] <Randomskk> ejcweb: android@home looks great too
[22:38] <ejcweb> Definitely need to request a Nexus S now...
[22:39] <ejcweb> Randomskk: Argh, you're well ahead on your IO news... I need to get reading.
[22:39] <Randomskk> ejcweb: I watched the keynote live
[22:39] <ejcweb> Though on second thoughts perhaps I should do some work.
[22:39] <Randomskk> it was...
[22:39] <Randomskk> it was like, loads of cool new things
[22:40] <Randomskk> and terrible delivery
[22:40] <Randomskk> the clapping felt forced even when it didn't have to be because the guy was just that bit awkward
[22:40] <Randomskk> jonsowman: 20 miles fuel included per day, then 23p/mi
[22:41] <Randomskk> though also +9p/mi for drivers under 24
[22:41] <jonsowman> pretty good really
[22:41] <jonsowman> urgh
[22:41] <jonsowman> why do they do that.
[22:41] <Randomskk> oh, unless 2 years of no claims
[22:41] <jonsowman> oh I have that
[22:41] <jonsowman> :)
[22:41] <Randomskk> or 20 streetcar trips without damage
[22:41] <jonsowman> I've nearly 3 years no claims
[22:42] <Randomskk> you also don't pay congestion charge and in london can do them one-way, leaving the car anywhere that's validly parked for 1hr
[22:42] <Randomskk> then they dispatch someone to get it I guess
[22:42] <jonsowman> that's really neat
[22:42] <jonsowman> so it's £5/hour, + 23p/mi over 20mi?
[22:42] <eroomde> sorry what is 9p/mile?
[22:43] <Randomskk> eroomde: surcharge for young drivers
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> That would be really awesome if there were one in my teeny little village.
[22:43] <eroomde> oh i see
[22:43] <eroomde> 23p/mile is really not bad
[22:43] <jonsowman> not at all
[22:43] <eroomde> government just made the recommended price 45p/mile
[22:43] <Randomskk> that's just petrol, as it were
[22:43] <Randomskk> the rest of the cost is absorbed in the per-hour charge I guess
[22:44] <Randomskk> unless you mean 45p/mi petrol
[22:44] <eroomde> cued would only give me 40 for the aswitzerlaND TRIP THO
[22:44] <eroomde> BASTARDS
[22:44] <Randomskk> haha I like to imagine that was intentional capitalisation
[22:44] <jonsowman> caps lock anger
[22:44] <eroomde> whoopsie
[22:44] <eroomde> must learn to touch type
[22:44] Action: SpeedEvil must learn to look at the screen more.
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> I usually am typing under the blankets, not looking at the screen.
[22:46] <eroomde> ?
[22:46] <ejcweb> Right, time to press on with a bit of group theory... goodnight. Thanks for everyone's help today!
[22:46] <eroomde> infact don't elaborate
[22:46] <MNSP> too much informatio
[22:46] <jonsowman> ejcweb: catch you soon
[22:46] <Randomskk> seeya ejcweb
[22:46] <eroomde> ejcweb: have a good'n
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Simply I find I get tired easily - and it's easier.
[22:46] <MNSP> night
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> Night.
[22:47] <MNSP> prob a good time to bail, night all :)
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[22:47] <MNSP> thanks for the visit
[22:48] <Randomskk> jonsowman: ah, the cars come with a fuel card, so you fill up as needed but they pay
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[22:48] <jonsowman> Randomskk: right I see, but return it with a full tank?
[22:48] <Randomskk> return with at least 1/4 tank
[22:48] <jonsowman> it's all much less strict than I expected
[22:54] <Randomskk> oh, right, major caveat is that you have to be a streetcar member to rent streetcars
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[22:54] <jonsowman> oh
[22:55] <eroomde> g'night
[22:55] <Randomskk> seeya
[22:56] <NigeyS> meh m00 w00f
[22:56] <NigeyS> animal farm ......
[22:57] <NigeyS> !top10
[22:57] <HAMBotty> Top10(words): 1. NigeyS(1256) 2. fsphil(1051) 3. Randomskk(996) 4. eroomde(935) 5. jonsowman(766) 6. MNSP(745) 7. jcoxon(696) 8. Dan-K2VOL(551) 9. ejcweb(447) 10. Laurenceb(363)
[22:57] <Randomskk> yaaay
[22:58] <NigeyS> haha you're moving up fella
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[23:01] <NigeyS> weird it crashed at midnight last night to
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[23:51] <NigeyS> dum de dum
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