highaltitude.log.20110505

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[00:01] <nelly11> Hi guys! I saw a balloon sizing chart somewhere a while ago but i can;t remember...does someoene know where I can find one?
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[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> nelly11 : http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[00:09] <nelly11> thank you
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[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
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[01:58] <W0OTM> im back
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[05:40] <SamSilver> java for me and a coffee for eroomde
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[08:11] <natrium42> ohai
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[08:41] <fsphil> finally, some rain!
[08:45] <GW8RAK> That must be the first time an Irishman has said that
[08:45] <natrium42> what's new?
[08:49] <fsphil> I'm half-scottish :)
[08:50] <fsphil> though to be fair, they're as unlikely to say that in scotland too
[08:56] <natrium42> :D
[08:56] <natrium42> speaking of rain
[08:56] <natrium42> you better have good weather when i am in london :P
[08:56] <fsphil> muhaha
[08:56] <fsphil> when are you over?
[09:04] <natrium42> 14-16
[09:05] <NigelMoby> Wellies
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[09:08] <fsphil> lovely: http://i.imgur.com/KCnzG.png (forecast for cookstown)
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[09:27] <eroomde> fsphil: yep, cambridge is getting like that too
[09:27] <eroomde> not much good for airship flying
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[09:33] <m1x10> hi all
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[10:17] <m1x10> pcb service says: E-Test - 50% E-test
[10:17] <m1x10> E-test? 50% ?
[10:17] <m1x10> of the 10 pcbs they will check the 5?
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> Electrical test
[10:18] <m1x10> or 50% is some other quantity
[10:18] <m1x10> ?
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - no idea
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> You've checked the FAQ
[10:30] <jonsowman> m1x10: it means they'll e-test 5 out of 10
[10:32] <m1x10> nice
[10:32] <m1x10> but will i know which 5 they have tested?
[10:32] <jonsowman> yes
[10:32] <jonsowman> is this seeed?
[10:32] <m1x10> y
[10:33] <jonsowman> they put a black stripe on the edges of the e-tested boards
[10:33] <m1x10> hmm
[10:33] <m1x10> let me see
[10:35] <m1x10> yes i found them
[10:36] <m1x10> they have them in separate tape
[10:36] <m1x10> with the E letter on the duct tape
[10:37] <m1x10> seed got new order page with more options
[10:37] <m1x10> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html?cPath=185
[10:38] <m1x10> varying board dimensions. thats nice
[10:39] <jonsowman> yeah i know :)
[10:47] <m1x10> pcb thinkness?
[10:47] <m1x10> how much was that in the original seeed pcbs?
[10:48] <m1x10> 0.mm or 1mm ?
[10:51] <m1x10> 0.8mm or 1mm ?
[10:52] <m1x10> ping jonsowman
[10:53] <m1x10> im about to order and i to complete
[10:53] <m1x10> :p
[10:53] <m1x10> help
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[10:54] <natrium42> D:
[10:55] <mixio> got d/c
[10:55] <mixio> [13:52] <m1x10> ping jonsowman
[10:55] <mixio> [13:53] <m1x10> im about to order and i to complete
[10:55] <mixio> [13:53] <m1x10> :p
[10:55] <mixio> [13:53] <m1x10> help
[10:55] <mixio> [13:53] <m1x10> Surface Finish and PCB Thickness
[10:55] <mixio> oh natrium42
[10:55] <mixio> natrium42 want to be my H0D5@ if I get married :)
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[11:02] <Laurenceb_> H0D5@ = bitch?
[11:03] <NigeyS> lol
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[11:12] <natrium42> lol, Laurenceb_
[11:13] <natrium42> m1x10: i only drive those who drive themselves
[11:15] <m1x10> drive?
[11:16] <m1x10> maybe i wrote the wrong word
[11:16] <m1x10> best man was that word
[11:19] <m1x10> :)
[11:20] <m1x10> natrium42 want to be my best man if I get married :)
[11:20] <m1x10> lol
[11:30] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13286479
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[11:53] <m1x10> i hate that silence
[11:57] <GW8RAK> A friend's son "let some Helium ballons go in October.......one has just been found in Finland...most were regular balloons but a couple were made by Durex"
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> After the landing, the pilots underclothing required severe maintainance.
[11:57] <GW8RAK> Don't know which type made it to Finland.
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[12:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil GW8RAK NigeyS and all others
[12:20] <fsphil> hiya Lunar_Lander
[12:22] <fsphil> There hasn't been a lunar lander in *ages*
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander> that is true
[12:23] <staylo> Always suspected he was an impostor
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander> nevertheless we have 50 years of Freedom 7 today
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> and I'm no Impostor
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[12:43] <Darkside> fsphil: what are the NTX2 resistors?
[12:43] <Darkside> what values are normal
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[12:46] <NigeyS> Darkside, i normally use 2k2 on the vcc and 22k on the tx and its nice 425 shift
[12:47] <Darkside> 2k2 on teh vcc?
[12:47] <Darkside> i'm looking at the way where you use 2 pins on the micro
[12:47] <NigeyS> oh i been using 1 pin
[12:55] <fsphil> I use the 1-pin method too
[12:55] <fsphil> seems simpler
[12:57] <W0OTM> natrium42: you there?
[12:57] <NigeyS> well its given me a bang on 425 shift 3 times in a row now, cant fault that
[12:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Neil Baker "[UKHAS] Tuning payload transmitting aerials"
[13:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning payload transmitting aerials"
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[13:06] <NigeyS> morning Dan
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL1
[13:11] <W0OTM> Looks like Dan-K2VOL1 is having "connect-ial dissfunction"
[13:11] Action: W0OTM make a funny
[13:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning payload transmitting aerials"
[13:14] <NigeyS> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/special_youtube_keyboard/
[13:14] <NigeyS> lol
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> Hozelock fittings do not like extended service at ~90C
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> At least the cloned ones.
[13:16] <NigeyS> lol did it melt ?
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> A 'stop' fitting - the internal stop bit kinda did.
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> It went from 'stop' to 'never'
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> I'm getting a more representative sretup done.
[13:17] <NigeyS> oh eck
[13:17] <NigeyS> hows the panel been performing btw ?
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> With a little DC pump, not a CH pump, and an insulated cylinder.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> It looks like when it's properly setup, it will work well.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> I'm just trying to do it hyper-cheap.
[13:19] <NigeyS> excellent! :D cheap is good! why spend a ton if it can be done cheaper!
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> As in ~100 quid for two heat stores, insulated.
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> The heat stores may end up as 55 gallon drums, with _lots_ of fernox-clone.
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> I figure if I make it servicable so if I've screwed up on the tank selection I can swap them
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> fernox?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> It is an antioxidant.
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Corrosion preventer.
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> oh in the water
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> steel drums?
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> There is probably some reason why it won't work.
[13:23] <NigeyS> gremlins
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> But the worst case is pretty much it pinholes, and then I say bugger, swap out the drums, and look for somerthing else to use.
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[13:33] <Laurenceb_> galvanitic corrosion?
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> tho... by applying reverse dc voltage you may be able to protectit
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[13:35] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: @KySpace also neat burst video from SpacePort Indiana balloon launch: http://j.mp/mGegIs #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/66133906096799744]
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[13:36] <Lunar_Lander> I don't get the astrobiology guy on the mailing list
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander> he doesn't really tell how his experiment had worked
[13:39] <Lee__> Afternoon all, Who is the gentleman I need to be talking about to get a payload set up in the tracker?
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[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello to the Cape SamSilver
[13:43] <Lunar_Lander> Lee__: try to ask jonsowman
[13:43] <SamSilver> Hi Lunar_Lander
[13:44] <Lee__> Thank you, we have a working rtty module and want to try it out before we loose in in the North Sea next month...
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> I can understand that well
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> you wrote on the mailing list too, I think?
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> if yes, I just read that
[13:45] <Lee__> I did, COEX1 will be us
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> sad to hear that COEX 0 landed in the sea
[13:46] <Lee__> Trying to be a little more organised this year. It looked like a clown sketch at the circus last time.
[13:46] <Lee__> Now RTTY is working it onto the cameras
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:47] <hibby> Lee__: where you launching from?
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[13:49] <jonsowman> hi Lee__
[13:52] <jonsowman> i can do a payload xml for you, but not right now
[13:52] <Lee__> No problems, no rush, where shall I send details etc to?
[13:53] <Lee__> We will be launching from the top of the Lincolnshire Wolds at RAF Stenigot (disused) just South of Louth
[13:54] <Lee__> Nothing up there so 2.4Ghx wirless camera has no interference at all
[13:54] <hibby> Ah, cool. Be sure to use the predictor and don't worry about delaying launches so you don't lose it ;)
[13:54] <jonsowman> Lee__: I need a couple of example telem strings, baud, shift, bits per char, stop bits, parity
[13:55] <jonsowman> and field descriptions
[13:55] <Lee__> notam only gave us a week, we are taking part in a TV contect of the weekend of the lauch so will have a tower and dishes up to track with
[13:55] <jonsowman> Lee__: I've PM'ed you my email address
[13:55] <jonsowman> no need to bother the ukhas list
[13:59] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman: the predictor is only good for 7 days (180 h) right?
[13:59] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: only 3 really
[13:59] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[14:00] <Lunar_Lander> as we in germany have that 8 day period of calling flight safety
[14:01] <Lee__> Last NOTAM gave us a 7 day window as we are surounded by RAF bases being in Lincolnshire
[14:01] <fsphil> yikes, 28 days at least for me
[14:02] <fsphil> aah, your notam lasts 7 days
[14:02] <fsphil> you can probably request more time when you apply
[14:03] <Dan-K2VOL1> afternoon all
[14:05] <Lee__> I am not filling out that paperwork but I will let the man who is sorting that out to try for a bit longer. It was only the local flying club who were interested at the time.
[14:07] <fsphil> My last one lasted about 3 weeks, hopefully the next one when I get it will be valid for a month-ish
[14:10] <Lunar_Lander> cu all later!
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[14:14] <griffonbot> @Greendrv: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: @KySpace also neat burst video from SpacePort Indiana balloon launch: http://j.mp/mGegIs #arhab [http://twitter.com/Greendrv/status/66143752753909761]
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[14:17] <griffonbot> @SoundSystemSDC: RT @LVL1WhiteStar: @KySpace also neat burst video from SpacePort Indiana balloon launch: http://j.mp/mGegIs #arhab [http://twitter.com/SoundSystemSDC/status/66144552469278720]
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[15:43] <mattltm-alt> Hi all :)
[15:43] <fsphil> tis mattltm-alt !
[15:44] <mattltm-alt> ah ha :)
[15:44] <mattltm-alt> Im the alt version :)
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[15:44] <mattltm-alt> As in alternative, not altitude :)
[15:44] <NigeyS> i think its an imposter phil
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[15:49] <fsphil> Does he have a goatee? evil imposters always have a goatee
[15:51] <NigeyS> he has goats....
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[15:54] <SamSilver> sheep rule!!
[15:54] <SamSilver> i m off - later
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[15:54] <NigeyS> lol SamSilver see ya dude
[15:54] <W0OTM> Hello World
[15:59] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Trans-Atlantic balloon antenna building tutorial! Build a DNA shaped antenna for use with the ORBCOMM network http://bit.ly/ddzFgK #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/66170111563792385]
[16:00] <NigeyS> hey W0OTM
[16:00] <NigeyS> :)
[16:00] <W0OTM> NigeyS: sup sup buddy
[16:00] <NigeyS> having a nice day of doing nothing at all! :D lol
[16:00] <mattltm-alt> Sorry, i'm back. I was just tending to my goats.
[16:00] <NigeyS> you ?
[16:00] <NigeyS> lol
[16:03] <W0OTM> working on tracker code
[16:03] <W0OTM> rewriting the APRS parser
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[16:05] <NigeyS> oo
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[16:59] <jcoxon> evening all
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[17:05] <NigeyS> evening James
[17:07] <jcoxon> hey
[17:07] <jcoxon> coming up to a 24hr test of my payload outside
[17:08] <jcoxon> batt is at 5.8v
[17:08] <jcoxon> so still got some to play with
[17:09] <NigeyS> ooo nicey, ive got all mine tested now, just need to put it together in the payload box :D
[17:11] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Looks like Saturday's KU launch is on. We'll attempt two 3000 g balloons. Look for KD4STH-11 and K0KU-11. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/66188169728638976]
[17:11] <jcoxon> i need to add a bit more insulation
[17:11] <jcoxon> my payload box is quite roomy
[17:12] <NigeyS> ohh, i made a shelf for mine, so i have the main board on the bottom and beacon on the top above it
[17:13] <jcoxon> ooo i run the beacon seperately
[17:14] <jcoxon> as in above the payload in line
[17:14] <NigeyS> ahhh
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[17:14] <NigeyS> hadnt thought of that tbh
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[17:22] <jcoxon> i'm thinking of launching on monday or tuesday
[17:22] <NigeyS> hopefully it wont be raining!
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[17:30] <Zuph> Alright, super light quad helix design documented: http://www.lvl1.org/2011/05/05/how-to-build-the-worlds-lightest-quadrifilar-helix-antenna/
[17:31] <jcoxon> Zuph, and it works!
[17:32] <jcoxon> or does it?
[17:33] <Zuph> It works *great* at 149 MHz.
[17:33] <jcoxon> but at 137?
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> I point you at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 Zuph
[17:33] <Zuph> Not so good. We're talking to orbcomm to sort that one out.
[17:33] <jcoxon> it'll be worth it in the end
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> (sort-of-related - not a ligehtre antenna)
[17:35] <Zuph> SpeedEvil: That's a little ridiculous
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Just a little.
[17:36] <Zuph> Heh, I don't think you'd be able to fly that indoors even. An open AC vent would knock it off course :)
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Especially when you scale it.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> You weigh as much as half a million of these'
[17:37] <Zuph> heh
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[17:54] <W0OTM> grrrr
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[19:17] <griffonbot> @KySpace: Thanks! RT @LVL1WhiteStar: @KySpace also neat burst video from SpacePort Indiana balloon launch: http://j.mp/mGegIs #arhab [http://twitter.com/KySpace/status/66219909872496640]
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[19:38] <Laurenceb> so i just went to vote...
[19:39] <Laurenceb> conservative candidate is local buildbase manager
[19:39] <Laurenceb> guy who harasses/stares at any women who enter the place
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Oh no!
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> I forgot to vote.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[19:40] Action: Laurenceb votes yes to av
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> I have howerver registered for the first time.
[19:41] <Upu> http://www.b3tards.com/u/c62383b2fb0dc7237700/voting.jpg
[19:41] <NigeyS> lol upu
[19:48] <fsphil> haha
[19:49] <W0OTM> YEAH, got the APRS path included http://www.ihabproject.com/Tracker/?vehicle=N996PJ
[19:49] <cuddykid> laurenceb good! I voted yes today :)
[19:49] <W0OTM> only took me all morning :)
[19:49] <cuddykid> though we're going to get slaughtered!
[19:49] <cuddykid> nice W0OTM!
[19:50] <Laurenceb> odd thing - the ballot papers have barcodes on the back, and they record the number next to your name :S
[19:52] <fsphil> hmm didn't notice that
[19:52] <cuddykid> ooer, cameron will be coming to track us down!
[19:53] <Laurenceb> apparently its recorded for use if there are allegations of cheating
[19:54] <Randomskk> yea, I think it's basically anonymous for as long as it needs to be but not if they need it to be otherwise
[19:54] <Randomskk> the boxes are sealed and everyone works in pairs or more etc
[19:54] <Randomskk> but if need be you can find where each vote comes from, I think
[19:55] <Laurenceb> eek
[19:55] <Randomskk> well at any rate the ballot papers all have numbers on the back which were logged against names, so...
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:05] <fsphil> yo yo
[20:18] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: sup sup
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello fsphil W0OTM
[20:20] <W0OTM> dangit! why am I after fsphil
[20:20] <W0OTM> my name is in CAPS, doesnt that count?
[20:20] <W0OTM> LMAO
[20:20] <fsphil> lol
[20:21] <fsphil> now now, just because I'm Lunar_Lander's favourite ;-)
[20:21] <W0OTM> grrrrrr
[20:21] <W0OTM> lol
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD I did it in chronological order
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[20:21] <fsphil> haha
[20:22] <fsphil> alphabetical too
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD yea
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> when that NTX2 arrives in the mail, I will have all parts except for the GPS
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[21:20] Action: fsphil is suffering from hab withdrawal
[21:22] Action: Laurenceb is generally bored
[21:22] <Laurenceb> need a working lsm303dlh
[21:22] Action: NigeyS is avoiding LOU
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[21:22] <fsphil> you can't avoid lou
[21:23] <Laurenceb> lou?!
[21:23] <Laurenceb> wazzat
[21:23] <NigeyS> haha pls dont let him be on 80m or i will cry!
[21:23] <Laurenceb> oh an rf troll
[21:23] <NigeyS> hes a crazy italian ham
[21:23] <Laurenceb> brilliant
[21:23] Action: Laurenceb goes to village of the banned for trolling
[21:23] <fsphil> he's everywhere
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[21:24] <Laurenceb> - steorn forum
[21:27] <BrainDamage> lol steorn
[21:27] <Laurenceb> steorn is epic lulz
[21:28] <BrainDamage> I still remember that opaque glass wheel with a battery and a motor
[21:28] <BrainDamage> and them claiming it makes more energy than it uses
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> I'm sort of designing a system that produces more energy than it usies using a rotating glass disk, a battery and a motor.
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> (admittedly - solar + mirror too)
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[21:57] <MNSP> hi all :)
[21:57] <fsphil> g'day MNSP!
[21:57] <MNSP> lol, hello fsphil :)
[21:58] <MNSP> whats been going on?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> I got a visitor on my blog who came from google
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> he searched for "high altitude balloon +ntx2 milli watts"
[22:14] <MNSP> cool,errm I think
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> cool & strange
[22:22] <fsphil> haha
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[22:33] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: Just realized that Clarkson University K2CC just flew their #ARHAB!!!! #hamradio #hamr http://fb.me/U6QE42dE [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/66269297114222592]
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Hmm - solar mirror film 20 quid/m^2
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Which isn't bad - but they want me to buy a roll at 250 quid.
[22:59] Action: SpeedEvil idly wonders about solar-concentrator steam-engines.
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil where did you see that offer?
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> email
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> I mailed 3m asking about prices.
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> It's nice stuff - after 15 years outside it's at 93% reflectivity
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool SpeedEvil
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> so it's durable
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[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello juxta
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[23:47] <W0OTM> natrium42: you there
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM how did iHAB-4 go?
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