[00:00] <SpeedEvil> At the moment I'm wandering round ebay, picking up random central-heating related bits.
[00:00] <SpeedEvil> To use to make a cheap solar-hot-water system.
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[00:09] <W0OTM> ahh
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[05:05] <SamSilver_> java time
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[06:49] <eroomde> SamSilver_: when is it ever java time?
[06:51] <SamSilver_> java as in coffee
[06:51] <SamSilver_> eroomde: cuppa java time is anytime
[06:51] <SamSilver_> :-p
[06:54] <eroomde> i see!
[06:55] <SamSilver_> afk
[07:02] Nick change: spacekitteh -> TraumaPony
[07:11] Nick change: TraumaPony -> spacekitteh
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[08:21] <griffonbot> Received email: aiqy65@googlemail.com "[UKHAS] Payload Data & Tracker"
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[09:09] <fsphil> oooh 2.4ghz video
[09:09] <m1x10> where/
[09:09] <m1x10> :p
[09:18] <fsphil> ^^ email above
[09:19] <fsphil> they're going to fly a 2.4ghz video module on a flight
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[09:20] <m1x10> sory i dont see any mail
[09:20] <m1x10> i get many d/c
[09:20] <fsphil> aah, so you did
[09:20] <fsphil> <griffonbot> Received email: aiqy65@googlemail.com "[UKHAS] Payload Data & Tracker"
[09:20] <fsphil> on the ukhas mailing list
[09:21] <fsphil> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/346939da6dfa5cd1
[09:21] <m1x10> yes, isnt a normal link that i can see and read something?
[09:22] <m1x10> i joined
[09:22] <m1x10> lol, many threads exists there
[09:22] <m1x10> i still dont know how to use this thing
[09:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Keith Lovern "Re: [UKHAS] Information Please"
[09:28] <m1x10> well up to now
[09:28] <m1x10> i counted all my paypal transcactions
[09:29] <m1x10> which all have to do with hab
[09:29] <m1x10> 1560Euro
[09:31] <m1x10> of course thats not a total cost of my hab. Those money include the whole R&D costs plus my 'lessons' on electronics.
[09:31] <fsphil> yikes
[09:32] <fsphil> I don't know how much mine cost -- the parts that flew where less than £250
[09:32] <fsphil> but the radio on the ground was expensive
[09:32] <fsphil> however I use that for other things too
[09:32] <m1x10> my recent calculations give me a cost of about 300-400Euro for my hab
[09:32] <fsphil> fuel for driving wasn't too cheap either, and the price of the laptop for tracking
[09:32] <m1x10> lol
[09:33] <m1x10> and i still have to buy balloon helium parachutes
[09:33] <m1x10> and fual for speedboats
[09:33] <m1x10> :P
[09:33] <m1x10> fuel*
[09:33] <fsphil> I solved the fuel problem last time by not finding it :)
[09:33] <m1x10> oooooh
[09:34] <m1x10> i wonder that dish for the 2.4ghz video link how heavy and big is..
[09:34] <eroomde> i dread to think what we've spent on habs
[09:34] <fsphil> I have a dish, it's about 1 metre wide and not tooo heavy but you wouldn't want to be holding it for long
[09:35] <fsphil> worth every penny ;)
[09:35] <eroomde> not sure!
[09:36] <eroomde> easily over £50k. Just think what else you can do with that
[09:37] <fsphil> mmm giant rocket
[09:38] <fsphil> I wonder if you could get something into orbit for £50k -- what's the price for a cubesat launch these days?
[09:39] <eroomde> the actual going rate for a cubesat launch that is realistic is about £30k
[09:40] <eroomde> but it'd cost more that £20k to develop a cubesat
[09:40] <eroomde> at least, one that was worthy of spending £30k to launch!
[09:44] <fsphil> I'm not even sure what I'd launch
[09:44] <fsphil> gotta have a camera whatever it is
[09:46] <m1x10> fsphil: i say "an sms" or "a sms"
[09:46] <m1x10> ?
[09:47] <m1x10> like: I want to send [an/a] sms
[09:48] <fsphil> satellite texting service?
[09:48] <fsphil> you'd be a while waiting for a pass:)
[09:48] <m1x10> what?
[09:48] <m1x10> fsphil: check http://slaros.blogspot.com/2011/05/work-so-far.html
[09:49] <fsphil> ooh, "an sms". though most people here just say "a text"
[09:50] <m1x10> :)
[09:54] <fsphil> "Balloon data relay satellite"
[09:59] <m1x10> i wonder
[09:59] <m1x10> some people put cameras to take video some other to take pcitures some other both
[09:59] <m1x10> if i make the camera take video
[09:59] <m1x10> i can also take pics of that video
[09:59] <m1x10> so i can have both images and video
[10:00] <m1x10> am I thinking something wrong?
[10:03] <eroomde> no rules what do you mean by taking pics of the video?
[10:03] <m1x10> the frames
[10:04] <m1x10> i can have thousands of pictures if i decode a video to frames
[10:04] <eroomde> the picture quality is usually not nearly as good
[10:04] <m1x10> when taken from a video?
[10:04] <eroomde> the resolution will be lower, and the compression that videos use will probably be a lower more destruction than the photo compression
[10:08] <eroomde> afk
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> But I do have to make one comment about the wedding, one that I suspect you wont see elsewhere. The amazing display of hats certainly caught my eye. In fact, I believe many of them were antennas in disguise, cleverly camouflaged. I am pretty sure I saw a folded dipole, a log-periodic Yagi, a few helicals, and even a VSAT (very small aperture terminal) dish, maybe two. Hey, it could be. . . .or am I "projecting" here?
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[11:17] <mattltm-mob> hi all.
[11:17] <fsphil> eeevening
[11:18] <mattltm-mob> lol. hi fsphil. got your new toy?
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[11:18] <fsphil> nothing yet .. it's city link so it could be any time
[11:18] <mattltm-mob> ah yes. city link.
[11:19] <mattltm-mob> I'm in the garage waiting for an mot Retest.
[11:19] <fsphil> fun fun
[11:19] <fsphil> long to wait?
[11:20] <mattltm-mob> it failed on headland aim. should take about 20 mins.
[11:21] <eroomde> what is headland aim?
[11:21] <Darkside> hmm
[11:21] <Darkside> anyone here have an IC-7000?
[11:21] <eroomde> Darkside: I do
[11:21] <mattltm-mob> not me.
[11:21] <Darkside> eroomde: how do you find it?
[11:21] <Darkside> i'm considering getting one
[11:22] <Darkside> i'm a little bit concerned about the UHF power amp issue
[11:22] <eroomde> it's in a box, so i look for the box
[11:22] <Darkside> oh lol, you don't use it?
[11:22] <eroomde> no, that's how I find it
[11:22] <eroomde> i was being silly
[11:22] <eroomde> i think it's great
[11:22] <Darkside> bah
[11:22] <Darkside> ok
[11:22] <mattltm-mob> lol.
[11:22] <eroomde> I've not had any issues with my UHF amp - what is the issue?
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[11:22] <Darkside> ahh in some radios the UHF amp blows up
[11:23] <Darkside> with smoke
[11:23] <Darkside> at least, this is what i'mr eading on eham
[11:23] <Darkside> also have you done the band expansion mod on yours?
[11:24] <eroomde> Darkside: I've not had it blow on me yet and I have done ful power UHF with it a fair bit. Though never for more than about 20s at a time
[11:24] <eroomde> I haven't done the mod - not eneded to yet. Though it's trivial
[11:25] <Darkside> a few jumpers
[11:25] <Darkside> no wait, thats yaesu
[11:25] <Darkside> i think its removing a diode
[11:25] <Darkside> http://www.rigpix.com/icom/ic7000.jpg mmmmm its so pretty
[11:26] <eroomde> Darkside: yep it is just removing a diode
[11:26] <eroomde> and yes, it is very pretty
[11:26] <eroomde> nice and sensitive too
[11:27] <eroomde> it's often decoding HABS after the 817 has given up
[11:27] <eroomde> especially with the reasonably good onboard filtering options
[11:28] <Darkside> yeah
[11:28] <Darkside> and CI-V controllable
[11:28] <eroomde> yep
[11:28] <eroomde> it's lovely
[11:28] <Darkside> mm ok
[11:28] <eroomde> you won't regret it
[11:28] <Darkside> my bank account will
[11:29] <eroomde> it'll recover :)
[11:29] <Darkside> but i can just afford it at th emoment
[11:29] <Darkside> AUD$1500
[11:29] <fsphil> ooch
[11:29] <Darkside> for new
[11:29] <Darkside> and AUD$1300 for a slightly used one
[11:29] Action: fsphil is suffering after getting an ft857d
[11:29] <Darkside> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ICOM-IC-7000-HF-VHF-UHF-RADIO-1YR-GTEE-IC7000-UNUSED-/270737150608?pt=AU_Electronics_Radio_Equipment&hash=item3f09311290
[11:29] <Darkside> fsphil: yeah i was considering the 897D
[11:29] <Darkside> but i think i prefer this
[11:30] <Darkside> and i'm also considering adding an IF tap to it
[11:30] <Darkside> since the IC-7000 has a 124MHz 1st IF
[11:30] <Darkside> that could go straight into the funcube dongle
[11:31] <fsphil> good idea
[11:34] <mattltm-mob> bored bored bored.
[11:34] <eroomde> make a board
[11:34] <mattltm-mob> waiting is boring.
[11:46] <fsphil> I spy...
[11:48] <GW8RAK> Nearly £1200. Too rich for me.
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[11:53] <Elwell> whats the recommended (in the sorta < 200 GBP price range) kit - yes fleabay is fine :-)
[11:58] <hibby> depends on what bit of the kit?
[11:58] Action: hibby reckons for tracking habs on the go, a chinese UHF friendly handy from fleabay and some sort of directional antennaa is the way forward
[11:58] <hibby> can make a helix for a tenner, max.
[11:59] <fsphil> the chinese handys do ssb?
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> You can use FM - you have much worse performance - but...
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> If you're actively tracking it - you can live with ~50km range, not 400
[12:00] Action: Elwell has a wouxun wotsit for FM/UHF but needs something SSB capable
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[12:00] <SpeedEvil> Co-channel interference is of course much worse
[12:00] <GW8RAK> SpeedEvil, does the SSB signal get through the discriminator?
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> Or you poke Laurence, and get him to finish his USB thingy. :)
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> GW8RAK: There is no such thing as a SSB signal
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> However.
[12:01] <GW8RAK> Very true.
[12:01] <hibby> snigger
[12:01] <hibby> spot the radio nerds :)
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> What you get out - with the current setup - is the 'raw' bitstream - with 0-100Hz removed
[12:01] <fsphil> hahaha.. oh wait
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> So you need to reconstruct the signal
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Also - you're vulnerable to it locking into any other signal in the band.
[12:04] <GW8RAK> Have you tried it SpeedEvil, what sort of performance do you get?
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> No.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> I'm going from theroy.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> The discriminator is not going to lock until the signal is a fair way above the whole in-band noise
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[12:05] Action: hibby wouldn't mind an ic-706
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> When it does, you'll get a high-pass filtered bitstream.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> At low amplitude
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[12:08] <NigelMoby> Afternoon
[12:08] <GW8RAK> Isn't it just easier to buy a 790?
[12:09] <GW8RAK> You could always leave it in FM mode if you want to make it difficult. :)
[12:09] <fsphil> are there cheaper scanners? RX-only?
[12:14] <GW8RAK> I bought a Yupiteru 7000, but it's not as sensitive as my 726. But can be rectified with a preamp
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[12:22] <fsphil> how difficult would a 70cm receiver kit be?
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb is threatening one.
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> I don't think soon though.
[12:24] <GW8RAK> Not beyond the skills of a competent person. There are various receive converters which go before an HF set.
[12:25] <GW8RAK> I made a quick and dirty one for 23cms with a local oscillator and a mixer to give 28MHz out. It worked, but not very well. 70cm should be a bit easier
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> There are a number of chips today that can take a very precise 10MHz - say from a crystal - mobile phone crystals are good - and output a very precise frequency
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> which helps
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> You still need filters though
[12:26] <GW8RAK> With a stable local oscillator, then a direct conversion rx should be quite simple. Something like the R2.
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> analog.com has cheap mixers too
[12:29] <GW8RAK> According to the books, the impedance matching to the mixer is the critical stage, but easy to do.
[12:31] <Laurenceb_> GW8RAK:http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio
[12:32] Action: Laurenceb_ has just desoldered his lsm303dlh :(
[12:32] <Laurenceb_> soldering was perfect
[12:32] <Laurenceb_> cant see why it couldnt have wroked
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> :(
[12:33] <Laurenceb_> i tried replacing the S/R caps with MLCC
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> and bit banging the i2c in case it was an issue with the bus pirate
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> Odd.
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> but the magno was dead
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> looks like the soldering has worked out perfectly - no shorts or dry joints underneath
[12:34] <Laurenceb_> soldering a new one on is going to be hard
[12:35] <GW8RAK> http://hem.passagen.se/communication/uv916rec.html is one I fancy trying.
[12:35] <GW8RAK> Been trying to find the tv tuner for a while
[12:38] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[12:39] <GW8RAK> Isn't the web brilliant. You decide what you want to do, get it planned and then a bit of surfing finds 20 other ways of doing the same job.
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> GW8RAK: Lots of TV stuff has gone away.
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> I was looking a couple of years back for a nice TV modulator chip - to plug into my mobile phone and make a tiny TV transmitter.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> There were lovely I2C+composite->UHF chips - all discontinued.
[12:48] <GW8RAK> Those specific tv tuners certainly have. I've ripped a number of tv's apart, but the tuners are typically without markings of any sort.
[12:49] <GW8RAK> But they probably all work on the same protocol, so it may just be a case of experimentation
[12:49] Action: SpeedEvil should probably get out of bed.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> having a lazy day.
[12:49] <GW8RAK> When, I have the time.
[12:49] <GW8RAK> It's a lovely day here, you can't stay in bed all day.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - look at linux.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> The 'hauppage' / bt848 driver
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are a number of tuner variants
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> That you could look up
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/05/04/mujahideen_secrets_screen.jpg
[13:03] <Laurenceb_> looooolll
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> the funniest thing is its running on windows
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[13:38] <m1x10> anyone here?
[13:38] <m1x10> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/antenna.jpg
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Funky.
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> I'd put ping-ping balls or something on the ends of the wires - but neat.
[13:39] <m1x10> how is that called?
[13:39] <m1x10> type of antenna
[13:40] <eroomde> 1/4 wave with ground plane
[13:40] <m1x10> ground plane
[13:40] <m1x10> yes
[13:41] <m1x10> http://www.rarcpio.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/2metergp006.jpg
[13:41] <hibby> definately an ideal antenna
[13:41] <eroomde> the vertical bit is half a wavelngth long (17.5cm at 434mhz) and the horizontal parts are the ground plane which must ideally at least half a wavelength long but the longer and the more of them the better
[13:41] <jonsowman> i think eroomde means quarter wavelength
[13:42] <eroomde> yes he does
[13:42] <eroomde> thanks
[13:42] <hibby> J-pole worked well for us, also, but something like piano wire or a coathanger would have been a better material
[13:42] <hibby> for all the SUNSET antenna
[13:42] <eroomde> piano wire is flexible so doesn't poke people#s eyes out
[13:42] <eroomde> as opposed to coat hanger
[13:42] <m1x10> why ava's antenna got 3 wires and the 2metergp006.jpg shows 4 wireS?
[13:42] <eroomde> m1x10: there are 4
[13:42] <eroomde> the other is just behind the plug
[13:43] <eroomde> but it doesn't matter - you can use 2 if you want
[13:43] <m1x10> ok
[13:43] <eroomde> the more the better though. most people use 4
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[13:43] <eroomde> all that part is doing is being an approximation of an infinitely large, flat, ground plane
[13:43] <m1x10> i plan to make my own first antenna
[13:43] <jonsowman> i heard something about bending them back at 40-45 degrees for impedance matching
[13:43] <m1x10> and this would be a ground plane
[13:44] <jonsowman> not sure how true that is
[13:44] <Randomskk> jonsowman: do the maths :P
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> It depends on the impedence you want to match to
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> As to the angle you need
[13:44] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: 50ohm
[13:44] <jonsowman> Randomskk: hehe yea okay
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> IIRC you need to bend it for 75 ohm
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> I may be misremembering
[13:44] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: ah okay
[13:44] <eroomde> it's gonna be flat if you want 50 ohm in theory
[13:44] <jonsowman> right
[13:44] <eroomde> as I say, it's just 1st year elctro-magnets chaps :p
[13:45] <eroomde> or is it 2nd year now? they fiddled with it as everyone found it complicated
[13:45] <Randomskk> we haven't done anything vaguely useful for calculating the impedance of an antenna
[13:45] <Randomskk> and are into the electives in second year
[13:45] <eroomde> hmm
[13:45] <Randomskk> we have just about covered the idea that you actually want to match impedances
[13:46] <eroomde> we definitely did this in my day
[13:46] <eroomde> showing that a dipole has 50 ohms imp
[13:47] <Randomskk> we can do like, coax or microstrip
[13:48] <Randomskk> but essentially all of it is for things that are variably long and repeating
[13:48] <eroomde> i think the dipole case would be trivial if you can do co-ax and microstrip
[13:48] <eroomde> infact that's the kind of things that might be a tripos q so read up on it!
[13:49] <hibby> I'm doing a masters in Elec & mechanical engineering and haven't had any communications theory
[13:49] <hibby> and our EM class was pretty irrelevant too back in 2nd-ish year
[13:49] <Randomskk> all the antenna stuff was at the end of last term and antennas were skipped very quickly
[13:49] <eroomde> the stuff they rush of ten ends up having a question about it
[13:49] <Randomskk> we covered the types but not doing anything useful mathematically
[13:49] <Randomskk> hah indeed
[13:50] <eroomde> that's why everyone in my 2nd year got in a flap when they did singular value decomposition in the lin-alg course in about 7 minutes at the end
[13:50] <W0OTM> Helll World
[13:50] <W0OTM> oops :) Hello
[13:50] <jonsowman> eroomde: they still do that
[13:50] <eroomde> W0OTM: you went all pastor on us then
[13:50] <eroomde> Heeellll World
[13:50] <W0OTM> LMAO
[13:51] <eroomde> jonsowman: yep. we got an email from the teaching office assuring us there wouldn't be a q on svd
[13:51] <jonsowman> hmm we got no such email
[13:51] <eroomde> if it's not in past papers don't weat it
[13:51] <jonsowman> ok :)
[13:52] <Randomskk> we got all sorts of stupid promises that turned out to be lies
[13:52] <Randomskk> like displacement diagrams
[13:52] <Randomskk> which he ran out of time to lecture on
[13:52] <eroomde> they're like the government
[13:52] <Randomskk> spent more time complaining
[13:52] <W0OTM> ok check this oit
[13:52] <W0OTM> out
[13:52] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/Tracker/
[13:52] <Randomskk> eventually put on a bonus lecture after the end of full term
[13:52] <Randomskk> I didn't go
[13:52] <W0OTM> watch N613G
[13:52] <Randomskk> from what I hear nor did many people
[13:52] <GW8RAK> For anyone wanting to try 868MHz, this is interesting http://hem.passagen.se/communication/tr1001.html
[13:52] <Randomskk> he told us we wouldn't be examined on them >_>
[13:52] <Randomskk> so much for that
[13:54] <GW8RAK> 9.90 Euros for the transceiver is reasonable
[13:54] <hibby> "bonus lecture"?
[13:55] <W0OTM> pulls fromAPRS
[13:55] <hibby> W0OTM: very cool?
[13:55] <hibby> s/?/.
[13:55] <eroomde> hibby: quite
[13:56] <W0OTM> also displays both imperial and metric
[13:56] <Randomskk> hibby: also he sucked and I didn't like him at all
[13:56] <Randomskk> so
[13:56] <Randomskk> so I did pretty awfully in structures last year
[13:58] <hibby> hah. for a guy that's studied electrical and mechanical engineering for many years, I can confirm that I'm crap at most things mechanical bar heat transfer and some simple dynamics
[14:00] <eroomde> oh btw
[14:00] <eroomde> if you like lisp, you'll love...
[14:00] <eroomde> the structure and interpretation of classic mechanics
[14:00] <eroomde> starts off with what you already know, then does langrangian (which I never fully grokked) then off into hamiltonian
[14:01] <eroomde> looks like the missing book for engineers of a more info/cs/mathmo bent
[14:02] <eroomde> Randomskk: i did a 3rd year dynamic course which was useful (3C5 - dynamics with hugh hunt) which was actually very interesting and pretty good
[14:02] <eroomde> keeps your toe in the water. lots of gyro stuff which was interesting
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[14:03] <Randomskk> I'm quite tempted to take dynamics or vibrations or something, haven't made my mind up yet
[14:03] <Randomskk> I also want to take a lot of very exciting looking modules
[14:04] <eroomde> dynamics > vibrations imo
[14:04] <hibby> Dynamics in 3rd year for us was vibrations
[14:04] <eroomde> for general control theory and stuff you it's useful to have the basics like inertia tensors
[14:04] <eroomde> it explains why mobile phones twist about another exis if you spin them in one
[14:04] <eroomde> for example
[14:04] <eroomde> which was fascinating and made a chunk of 3F2 make a lot more sense too
[14:06] <eroomde> Randomskk: this thing: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~hemh/tumble_bookbwc.gif
[14:07] <Randomskk> hugh hunt makes the best gifs
[14:07] <Randomskk> thanks for the recommendation though, I'll definitely consider that for my not-info/elec module :P
[14:08] <Randomskk> plus management :|
[14:08] <eroomde> a lot of control theory benefits from some dynamics knowledge. so yes, i give it the thumbs up
[14:08] <Randomskk> yea, it really seems like it would. like my quadcopter >_>
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[14:16] <mattltm-alt> Hi all :)
[14:18] <fsphil> aah, you survived the mot
[14:19] <NigelMoby> Matt!
[14:25] <mattltm-alt> Just about phil. You got your toy yet?
[14:25] <mattltm-alt> Hey Nigey :)
[14:25] <mattltm-alt> Have fun with that.
[14:25] <mattltm-alt> NigelMoby: You need to build a longwire antenna for it.
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[14:29] <W0OTM> fsphil: how familiar are you with the tracker code?
[14:30] <W0OTM> fsphil: or is it more jc's baby
[14:30] <fsphil> not at all W0OTM - I believe natrium42 did a lot of it
[14:30] <fsphil> mattltm-alt, no sign of it yet....
[14:32] <mattltm-alt> :)
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[14:34] <fsphil> meh, it'll probably be tomorrow now
[14:35] <W0OTM> fsphil: does jcoxon do much with it?
[14:35] <W0OTM> fsphil: or mainly natrium42
[14:36] <fsphil> that I couldn't answer
[14:36] <W0OTM> ok
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[14:36] <fsphil> I only really work on dl-fldigi
[14:37] <W0OTM> LOL - look - autopilot works REALLY well
[14:37] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/Tracker/?vehicle=N613G
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[14:40] <fsphil> guessing that's not real :)
[14:40] <W0OTM> no, its live
[14:40] <W0OTM> its a commercial jet
[14:40] <W0OTM> via APRS
[14:43] <fsphil> aaaah
[14:43] <fsphil> commercial jets transmit aprs data in the US?
[14:43] <W0OTM> yeah
[14:44] <W0OTM> http://aprs.fi/info/a/N613G
[14:45] <fsphil> do they have their on frequency or is this on the amateur band?
[14:45] <W0OTM> !call KA4HRD
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[14:45] <W0OTM> must me a ham pilot
[14:56] <Laurenceb_> hmf new soldered lsm303dlh gives same issue :(
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[15:25] <NigeyS> hey mattltm
[15:25] <mattltm> Hi :)
[15:25] <NigeyS> how do i make this antenna then? lol i got 3 reels of wire....
[15:26] <mattltm> You will need a 3.5mm headphone jack.
[15:26] <NigeyS> i can salvage 1 ...
[15:26] <mattltm> Mono or stereo but mono is beter.
[15:26] <NigeyS> hm think it'll be stereo
[15:27] <W0OTM> 3000 gram balloon
[15:27] <W0OTM> 11.6 LBS payload
[15:27] <W0OTM> 15.6 LBS lift
[15:27] <W0OTM> WOW
[15:27] <mattltm> To start off with, you could try an inductor coil instad...
[15:29] <fsphil> ooooh... there's a parcel in reception....
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[15:31] <NigeyS> woo n1 phil
[15:31] Action: mattltm thinks that he should have sent a load of random packages to fsphil all due for delivery today :p
[15:31] <NigeyS> lmao
[15:31] <GW8RAK> Now why didn't we think of that earlier mattltm
[15:32] <mattltm> "Yay! its here. Oh no, its just another box of shreaded paper!"
[15:32] <mattltm> lol.
[15:33] <fsphil> lol
[15:33] <fsphil> "But I didn't order saw dust..."
[15:33] <mattltm> lol.
[15:33] <GW8RAK> Even better would have been a box of bits and a label saying 857 Kit
[15:34] <mattltm> lol.
[15:34] <fsphil> *evil*
[15:34] <fsphil> cunningly they have the name of the shop on the label :p
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[15:35] <m1x10> I get sooooo many d/c
[15:35] <m1x10> wtf
[15:35] <m1x10> i cant chat with chicks damn it!
[15:35] <SamSilver> m1x10 asl?
[15:35] <fsphil> Check out my live chick webcam: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/box1
[15:35] <SamSilver> sam = samantha
[15:35] <m1x10> kick SamSilver
[15:35] <fsphil> lol
[15:36] <m1x10> fsphil: not found
[15:36] <GW8RAK> Come on fsphil, has it arrived or not?
[15:36] <mattltm> lol. SamSilver, I've heard that one before!
[15:36] <fsphil> ooh m1x10, http://webcam.sanslogic.co.uk/box1
[15:36] <SamSilver> okay :-p
[15:36] <fsphil> GW8RAK, it most certainly has!
[15:36] <fsphil> Now hopefully I'll remember to pick it up on the way out ....
[15:36] <mattltm> Yay!
[15:37] <SamSilver> SamSilver = Dave
[15:37] <GW8RAK> Woo hoo!
[15:37] <GW8RAK> And no turning it up to 100W now.
[15:37] <fsphil> lol
[15:37] <mattltm> Ahhh. Baby birds :)
[15:37] <fsphil> I think my antenna would vaporise at 100w anyway
[15:37] <hibby> still not set up my /p set up
[15:37] <mattltm> WOW! look at the size of theeir mouths!
[15:37] <m1x10> modem log says: 05/04/2011 18:25:15 ADSL Media Down !
[15:38] <m1x10> a call to the ISP isnt bad
[15:38] <cuddykid> hi all, received my 24" parachute today courtesy of rocketsandthings! - a question -> on the parachute packaging it states that the max weight of rocket (payload) is 413g. However my payload is about twice that! Will this be a problem?! :S
[15:39] <fsphil> I used a 24" chute with a 510g payload, it came down fairly slowly
[15:40] <fsphil> + 1000g balloon which I assume was still connected
[15:40] <fsphil> came down fairly slowly
[15:40] <fsphil> I'm repeating myself myself
[15:41] <cuddykid> ok, should be good hopefully!
[15:41] <cuddykid> I'll run with it
[15:41] <cuddykid> not literally ofc lol
[15:41] <fsphil> good test though, running with it :)
[15:42] <cuddykid> yeah, did a few tests of waving arms about earlier lol.. may test with a bag of sugar
[15:42] <GW8RAK> How come that bird has made it's nest on the wall of the nest box and not the floor?
[15:42] <fsphil> haha, the inside camera is looking down from the roof
[15:43] <fsphil> I hadn't looked at it like that before
[15:43] <GW8RAK> You quickly thought of that explanation didn't you.
[15:43] <mattltm> They are some hungry chicks!
[15:44] <fsphil> at least they're small and quiet now, just wait until they grow up a bit
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[15:51] <mattltm> Can anyone recomend a USB soundcard with a line in?
[15:52] <SamSilver> bbl
[15:53] <fsphil> aria used to sell a nice cheap one, about £8 - works well with my 817
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[15:53] <mattltm> http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Sound+Cards/Arianet+Virtual+7.1+3D+USB+Sound+Card+?productId=33555
[15:54] <mattltm> That one?
[15:54] <fsphil> that's it
[15:54] <mattltm> Does it have a line in or just mic in?
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[15:54] <fsphil> it says mic in, but the range is fine for line-in aswell
[15:55] <mattltm> cool. Thanks fsphil :)
[15:55] <fsphil> I'm not sure if it does stereo though (mics tend to be mono)
[15:55] <mattltm> I decided that GT was rubish so im connecting my 9600 to a dedicated server.
[15:56] <mattltm> So that I, and others can RDP into it.
[15:56] <fsphil> yea, GT is no fun
[15:57] <mattltm> I have done a mod tap on the 9600 too so I need 3 audio inputs to the server. 1 for normal audio, 1 for the mod tap audio and 1 for the weather sat RX.
[15:57] <fsphil> mod tap? what's it for?
[15:59] <mattltm> Its a discriminator output
[15:59] <mattltm> http://www.discriminator.nl/index-en.html
[16:02] <fsphil> aah, it's a kind of unfiltered FM oupput?
[16:02] <fsphil> output*
[16:02] <GW8RAK> But for digital modes, should you not be in SSB mode rather than FM?
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[16:02] <mattltm> Its for decoding some of the newer data modes.
[16:03] <mattltm> Can be used to decode MOTOBRO digital PMR too.
[16:03] <GW8RAK> Oh sorry, Pocsag etc. My mistake
[16:03] <cuddykid> do you guys use a parachute ring or not?
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[16:08] <m1x10> l
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[17:01] <eroomde> cuddykid: what do you mean by a parachute ring?
[17:02] <eroomde> a line space?
[17:03] <eroomde> spacer*
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[17:03] <NigeyS> hey Ed
[17:03] <cuddykid> a ring that the parachute lines are attached to, which then attaches via another line to the rest of payload
[17:03] <cuddykid> yeah, like a line spacer
[17:04] <cuddykid> such as -> http://www.toddfun.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/100_3029.jpg
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[17:12] <W0OTM> cuddykid: yeah, I fly one
[17:13] <W0OTM> cuddykid: I made mine from 5 gal bucket
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[17:42] <m1x10> i hate my isp
[17:43] <Laurenceb> hate crime
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[17:44] <m1x10> I want to talk to a girl from a neighboor country
[17:44] <m1x10> and i cant cause i get d/c all the time
[17:45] <m1x10> we were couple at the age of 18!
[17:45] <m1x10> mv all > /dev/null
[17:46] <Laurenceb> loool
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[17:48] <cuddykid> W0OTM, plastic ring?
[17:49] <W0OTM> yeah
[17:53] <cuddykid> cool :) is their much advantage of the ring?
[17:55] <W0OTM> I think it keeps the parachute shroud lines from staying twisted
[17:55] <W0OTM> let me get you an example
[17:55] <fsphil> they're using a ring on one of the mars landers parachutes, to stop it opening too quickly I think
[17:56] <W0OTM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTdsSM9_rq4
[17:56] <W0OTM> watch the launch, you can see the lines are twisted, and thanks to the ring, it auto untwisted itself
[17:57] <W0OTM> you can see it from the onboard camera, and the ground camera
[17:57] <W0OTM> at 1:48 into the video
[17:58] <cuddykid> thanks W0OTM, i'll take a look
[18:01] <cuddykid> I see, thats clever! How do you attach the parachute rope loops to the ring, hotglue?
[18:10] <W0OTM> ill snap a quick pic
[18:10] <W0OTM> hold on
[18:11] <Upu> also interested, convinced I'm going to get tangled
[18:12] <cuddykid> thanks W0OTM! Will be great help!!
[18:13] <W0OTM> uploading to twitter now
[18:13] <W0OTM> yfrog.com/gyz2mvsj yfrog.com/h29wtqpj
[18:13] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[18:13] <W0OTM> oops
[18:13] <W0OTM> yfrog.com/gyz2mvsj
[18:13] <W0OTM> yfrog.com/h29wtqpj
[18:14] <Upu> very nice
[18:15] <Upu> cheers
[18:16] <cuddykid> oh wow, very slick!! You are one for doing things properly W0OTM! I admire the quality!! thanks
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[18:19] <fsphil> nice... http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=e1bb0b351ae9731ca06f21dca9b28b84637aa91c
[18:20] <fsphil> could make a floating payload
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[18:22] <W0OTM> thanks
[18:22] <m1x10> yes, I managed to exchange 15 sentences
[18:23] <m1x10> I want to marry her but she does not know that
[18:24] <m1x10> thats us: http://imagebin.org/151697
[18:24] <m1x10> 17-18yo
[18:27] <m1x10> what can i do ?
[18:28] <m1x10> where is the married russian guy alexei ?
[18:29] <m1x10> I need to drink something!
[18:30] <cuddykid> fsphil, could see if scout wants a mission before it attempts the transatlantic crossing!!
[18:31] <cuddykid> thats the autonomous boat, though, they are in the US :(
[18:31] <fsphil> transatlantic boats are easy from the US .. the gulf stream does all the hard work
[18:32] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[18:32] <cuddykid> lol
[18:32] <eroomde> cuddykid: no, we don't use one
[18:33] <cuddykid> thanks eroomde
[18:33] <Dan-K2VOL> darn cute m1x10
[18:33] <m1x10> #highaltitude help me get married!
[18:33] <eroomde> m1x10: wrong channel for relationship problems, I'm afriad
[18:33] <m1x10> I LOVE GER!
[18:34] <m1x10> love exists everywhere :)
[18:34] Action: W0OTM looking up m1x10 IP address
[18:35] <m1x10> cp ./love *
[18:36] <m1x10> W0OTM: what do u need my addr?
[18:36] <W0OTM> so I can help you find love
[18:36] <m1x10> that addr is so fail that I cannot even have a talk with her
[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL> I think sparkfun has a new female breakout board, should help you to use them easier
[18:37] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[18:37] <m1x10> looool
[18:37] <m1x10> sick
[18:37] <m1x10> fail
[18:37] <fsphil> haha
[18:37] <W0OTM> how you doing Dan-K2VOL
[18:37] <m1x10> its not about sex, its about love
[18:38] <W0OTM> I got the scoop on the launch yesturday
[18:38] <Dan-K2VOL> doing well W0otm
[18:38] <Dan-K2VOL> you?
[18:38] <W0OTM> im good
[18:38] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[18:38] <W0OTM> let me copy n paste in pastebin
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[18:38] <W0OTM> http://pastebin.com/uWCsFpyD
[18:39] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: im not certain that met all the requirements to have a payload over 6lbs
[18:39] <W0OTM> sry, that they*
[18:39] <eroomde> 300 spectators! gosh
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> m1x10 I wish you luck, enjoy it while you have time to, and make sure she's ok with balloons
[18:39] <eroomde> a lot of pressure for a launch
[18:40] <Dan-K2VOL> W0OTM you mean they had a 6lb + box?
[18:40] <W0OTM> total weight was 11.6lbs
[18:41] <m1x10> ok, found a friend to go out and drink :):):):
[18:41] <m1x10> super cool
[18:41] <Dan-K2VOL> for one box?
[18:41] <W0OTM> I think thats total for all
[18:41] <W0OTM> 4 payload boxes
[18:42] <m1x10> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBiaRBUjUs
[18:42] <W0OTM> their cutdown went off after 2hours and cutdown early at 70K feet
[18:44] <Dan-K2VOL> why do you say you think they didn't meet the weight req?
[18:45] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: just dont think they did. I dont have any proof they did or didnt
[18:46] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: just an opinion...you know me :)
[18:48] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[18:49] <NigeyS> well if their total weight was 11lbs obv it was over the 6lbs limit :)
[18:51] <Dan-K2VOL> well NigeyS, there's a piece of the rule that's missing here -
[18:51] <NigeyS> oh ?
[18:51] <Dan-K2VOL> it's the same for ICAO
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> you can have up to 12lbs total
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> but no more than 6lbs in any box
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> which is why white star has two 6lb boxes
[18:52] <NigeyS> lol thats quite a weird rule..
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> just to keep the density of the boxes down
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> for aircraft impacts
[18:53] <NigeyS> ah yes, that does make sense now
[18:53] <NigeyS> but if their on the same line .. if 1 hits you can bet ure ass the others gonna hit it to ....
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> so if they have 4 boxes totalling 11lbs, it's quite possible to be legal or illegal
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> depending on how you distribute the weight
[18:54] <NigeyS> unless the impact cuts the line, isnt the whole thing going to impact eventually .. or get sucked in to an engine... ?
[18:55] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[18:56] <Dan-K2VOL> but you spread the weight out over a larger space so it does less damage
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[18:56] <Dan-K2VOL> theoretically
[18:56] <NigeyS> i guess
[18:57] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: they also needed dual cutdown devices ?
[18:57] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh I wish they would just get ADS-B implemented so the planes could just see balloons
[18:57] <NigeyS> lol dan that'll be the day !
[18:57] <Dan-K2VOL> no W0OTM that's only for above 12lbs total
[18:57] <jcoxon> also doesn't the bursting balloon count as a cutdown
[18:57] <Dan-K2VOL> no
[18:57] <griffonbot> @RITBlimp: Check out the #arhab launch at #RIT this Saturday! Please RT! http://j.mp/mNSTAf [http://twitter.com/RITBlimp/status/65852650062741504]
[18:57] <NigeyS> in the meantime its the potential vs kinetic energy problem when it comes to how much damage 6lbs+ can do to an aircraft
[18:57] <griffonbot> @KB1LQC: Check out the #arhab launch at #RIT this Saturday! Please RT! http://j.mp/mNSTAf [http://twitter.com/KB1LQC/status/65852653221056528]
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[18:58] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: oh speaking of that, I had some conversations with some Rockwell developers over the weeklend
[18:58] <Dan-K2VOL> right nigeys
[18:58] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: they have interest in developing a simple, lightweight transponder
[18:59] <Dan-K2VOL> but the power required to create the anticollision properties of a transponder is 100W tx :-(
[18:59] <NigeyS> that high? :o
[18:59] <Dan-K2VOL> lol I'm not talking about a tractor beam, but the proximity alarms in jets go off based solely on signal strength of the transponder
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[19:00] <Dan-K2VOL> when they have no other info
[19:00] <BrainDamage> can't the beacon broadcast it's position?
[19:00] <Dan-K2VOL> not a Mode-A or Mode-C transponder
[19:01] <Dan-K2VOL> those simply broadcast an omnidirectional PING when they get pinged by ground radar
[19:01] <Dan-K2VOL> ModeC encodes the altitude on the ping
[19:01] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: did you see my dev on the tracker?
[19:02] <Dan-K2VOL> not sure what you mean?
[19:02] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: it now displays APRS traffic http://www.ihabproject.com/Tracker/?vehicle=N613G
[19:02] <W0OTM> packets*
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[19:02] <jcoxon> W0OTM, wow good work
[19:02] <jcoxon> i like the way you can select the vehicle
[19:03] <W0OTM> jcoxon: I didn't know you were here
[19:03] <jcoxon> oh wait that feature is on spacenear.us as well
[19:03] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[19:03] <jcoxon> natrium42 must have added that very recently
[19:03] <Dan-K2VOL> very nice W0OTM, going to roll that back into spacenear.us?
[19:04] <m1x10> natrium42 !
[19:04] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: I want to have some discussion with whomever is the project lead.
[19:04] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: I wanted to get an idea of what the plans were fro spacenear.us
[19:05] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: There are ALOT more HAB flight using APRS in the US
[19:05] <W0OTM> jcoxon: I also added conversions from metric
[19:08] <Dan-K2VOL> yes indeed there are
[19:08] <W0OTM> I have a long list of changes/enhancements I have made to the tracker, and depending on what natrium42 wants todo, they may not be something he wants in the spacenear.us tracker
[19:08] <Dan-K2VOL> ah gotcha
[19:09] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: I am developing a backend cPanel for managing flights, ect
[19:09] <W0OTM> Dan-K2VOL: so anyone can use the tracker for their specific flight.
[19:09] <eroomde> there's also a lot of work currently on a complete new tracking aqnd mapping system W0OTM
[19:09] <jonsowman> http://habitat.habhub.org
[19:09] <NigeyS> hmm
[19:10] <NigeyS> that vehicle tracking bit doesnt seem to work for me with i.e 9 but is fine with FF
[19:10] <W0OTM> eroomde: im not familiar with that
[19:10] <NigeyS> evening jonsowman :)
[19:10] <W0OTM> I think natrium42's work is amazing
[19:10] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[19:11] <NigeyS> how's life ?
[19:11] <jonsowman> NigeyS: fine thank you
[19:11] <NigeyS> :D
[19:11] <jonsowman> W0OTM: it needs a lot of tidying really
[19:11] <jonsowman> but nobody is really bothering because habitat is on the horizon
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[19:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hi jon
[19:14] <jonsowman> hi Dan-K2VOL, how're things?
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[19:14] <Dan-K2VOL> oh decent, you?
[19:14] <jonsowman> very well thank you
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[19:17] <W0OTM> jonsowman: since habitat looks to be the replacement, im not sure my changes to the existing tracker are important
[19:18] <jonsowman> well they are certainly improvements, and I'd have thought they'd be of benefit to everyone
[19:18] <jonsowman> as has been suggested, best to talk to natrium42 about getting them integrated
[19:18] <W0OTM> jonsowman: yup, when is he on usually?
[19:19] <jonsowman> he's in canada, so evenings there at a guess
[19:19] <jonsowman> I haven't spoken to him for some time
[19:19] <jonsowman> heh, about now then :P
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[19:20] <jonsowman> evening andrew_apex
[19:21] <W0OTM> LOL
[19:21] <andrew_apex> hi jonsowman
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[19:26] <andrew_apex> join #gnhfgkdmf
[19:26] <andrew_apex> whoops
[19:26] <jonsowman> i don't think that's a real channel :\
[19:27] <andrew_apex> i think you might be right :(
[19:27] <andrew_apex> it was on my clipboard for some reason :S ?
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[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:34] <griffonbot> @hburger206: Might have temperature/altitude sensors in reach for space balloon project... #hopefully #UKhas [http://twitter.com/hburger206/status/65861919063547904]
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[19:51] <NigeyS> hey mattltm
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi mattltm NigeyS
[19:51] <NigeyS> hey lunar :D
[19:52] <Shuffty> Hey chaps!
[19:52] <hibby> o/
[19:52] <NigeyS> hey shuuuuuuuuuuuuuufty
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello hibby GW8RAK shenki fsphil
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> Shuffty
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:52] <fsphil> hi hi Shuffty n' Lunar_Lander !
[19:52] <Shuffty> :-)
[19:52] <fsphil> hi hi mattltm
[19:53] <mattltm> Yo yo yo!
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[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZsiOTVLKGI&feature=player_embedded
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[20:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/photogallery.dx/sku.80505~seQ.0 /me wonders.
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> copied?
[20:22] <W0OTM> I got them for $4.99 over the weekend locally
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering if they werre legit cells, yes.
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> (though not actually interested in biyiing)
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[20:27] <BrainDamage> there's more interesting products not to buy, such as http://www.dealextreme.com/p/diy-electric-men-shaver-2-x-aa-80533
[20:28] <BrainDamage> before you question, yes, I am joking :p
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/popular-cute-plush-angry-birds-figure-toys-with-chain-6-pack-71085
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering giving someone a pack of these - in a little launcher
[20:29] <BrainDamage> you could drop them from an high altitude balloon
[20:29] <BrainDamage> imagine the reaction from anyone seeing them falling from the sky
[20:29] <fsphil> Imagine the story in the Sun
[20:30] <hibby> SpeedEvil: we have a local shop that sells them
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Transport problems - no car - well - no legally operable car - and public transport is difficult.
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[20:34] <SpeedEvil> The crashing price of LEDs is interesting.
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[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil yeah
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[20:44] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Kalman_filter
[20:44] <Laurenceb__> interesting
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=9513
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-related.
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[20:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/faa-wants-your-opinion-about-commercial-space - anyone in florida wirth an interest.
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Random. Does anyone happen to have noticed the price of ammonia gas on their travels to get helium?
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[22:55] <W0OTM> its quiet
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> they all watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
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[22:55] <W0OTM> hi Lunar_Lander !
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> check out the viewer count
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> and the dislike count!
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello W0OTM :)
[22:56] Action: fsphil is playing radio
[22:58] <W0OTM> OMG, that is dumb
[22:58] <W0OTM> if she is from the US, she makes us look bad
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:59] <fsphil> We tend to see only the extreme people from the states, the normal folks never get much attention.
[22:59] <W0OTM> like me!
[22:59] <W0OTM> I need to make a youtube music video
[23:00] <fsphil> it's easy to assume the US is full of religious nuts, or crazy politicians
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5eKciJisnI
[23:01] <fsphil> good tune
[23:02] <fsphil> (the second one)
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[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> and how are you W0OTM?
[23:36] <W0OTM> good, got to run though, wife is home
[23:36] <W0OTM> bbl
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