highaltitude.log.20110423

[00:14] <NigeyS> hey juxta
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[05:29] <SamSilver> Java time
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[05:54] <Darkside> gargh
[05:54] <Darkside> cant get this FT-817 to do 5W
[05:54] <Darkside> fuuuuu
[05:55] <Darkside> anyone here in either europe or the US with a food HF setup?
[05:55] <Darkside> good*
[05:58] <GW8RAK> Morning Darkside, have you got 13.8V?
[05:58] <GW8RAK> It needs 13.8 for 5W output
[05:58] <Darkside> yes
[05:58] <Darkside> i just can't get the power indication to blink
[05:59] <Darkside> which is bloody annoying
[05:59] <GW8RAK> Blaink? Is it not registering power out?
[05:59] <Darkside> where I am, 5W would be much better than 2.5W...
[05:59] <GW8RAK> that should be blink
[05:59] <Darkside> the manual says the power indicator (the little L then ))) should blink
[05:59] <Darkside> and it's not
[06:00] <GW8RAK> Just found the manual to my dead 817
[06:01] <Darkside> or should there be no power indicator at all for 5W
[06:02] <Darkside> with a whistle i'm getting about 2W outout power
[06:02] <GW8RAK> I was just going to ask if you are in SSB mode.
[06:03] <Darkside> i can't do CW without a keyer, so i can't easily et a full carrier out
[06:03] <Darkside> so i'm trying with a whistle
[06:03] <Darkside> but i guess even in SSB mode its not going to put the full output power into the tone
[06:03] <GW8RAK> 2W with a whistle sounds a bit low, but may not be. It depends on the mic gain control. Have you whistled before and got 5W
[06:03] <GW8RAK> ?
[06:04] <Darkside> ill have to check the mic gain
[06:04] <Darkside> it seems ok
[06:04] <GW8RAK> IIRC, I used to have mine set to 100
[06:04] <GW8RAK> and only reduced it for datamodes
[06:05] <Darkside> im seeing 2W
[06:05] <Darkside> 2W exactly
[06:06] <Darkside> hmm
[06:06] <GW8RAK> Switch to FM for a quick test. It should give 5W output
[06:06] <Darkside> nope, 2w
[06:06] <Darkside> hmm
[06:06] <GW8RAK> voltage sag on the supply when you transmit?
[06:07] <GW8RAK> Are you into a dummy load or an aerial?
[06:07] <GW8RAK> High swr?
[06:08] <Darkside> voltage sag to 13.3v
[06:08] <Darkside> from 13.8
[06:08] <Darkside> antenna, matched to about 1.3:1 SWR
[06:10] <GW8RAK> It could be the voltage sag.
[06:11] <GW8RAK> Do you get .5W, 1W and 2.5W on the lower power settings?
[06:11] <GW8RAK> On 2.5W setting do you get 2.5 or 2 with a whistle?
[06:12] <GW8RAK> If you are getting 2, it could be that you are coincidentally only driving it to the 2W level and you have a problem on 5W, or your 5W is no available.
[06:12] <GW8RAK> not available
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[06:20] <GW8RAK> Any joy Darkside?
[06:21] <Darkside> no
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[06:23] <GW8RAK> Puzzling. Don't know what to suggest now.
[06:23] <GW8RAK> Do you have a dummy load?
[06:24] <GW8RAK> Are you getting 5W on other bands?
[06:24] <GW8RAK> Can you plug it into a car power socket which will definitely give a high current 13.8V supply?
[06:31] <Darkside> i think its the antenna
[06:32] <Darkside> im gonna tryy and coil up a bit of the antenna
[06:35] <GW8RAK> Have you got any 1W 47 ohm resistors?
[06:35] <GW8RAK> Or 4 smaller ones?
[06:35] <GW8RAK> Make a simple dummy load then you can test the output in isolation of any other factors
[06:36] <GW8RAK> How are you measuring the power output? On an combined power and SWR meter?
[06:36] <GW8RAK> Is the calibration correct?
[06:37] <Darkside> GW8RAK: i'm 1000km away from home
[06:37] <Darkside> i don't have much
[06:37] <Darkside> i have a few things i can do to make it work a bit better thoim gonna try a 1/4 wave wire on 40m
[06:37] <Darkside> that may help the situation
[06:38] <Darkside> and i figured it out - its the ALC cutting in
[06:38] <GW8RAK> Now I understand.
[06:38] <Darkside> i think the SWR isn't good enough
[06:38] <GW8RAK> You are just using the power and SWR display on the 817?
[06:50] <Darkside> problem solvered
[06:50] <Darkside> using a different antenna now
[06:50] <Darkside> quarter wave on 40m
[06:50] <Darkside> roughly
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[07:20] <m1x10> Hi all
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[08:14] <Lunar_Lander> good morning
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[08:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello fsphil GW8RAK m1x10
[08:15] <Lunar_Lander> OK -m1x10
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[08:20] <GW8RAK> Morning Lunar_Lander
[08:21] <GW8RAK> With the long holiday, I'm hoping to do some payload building this weekend. It's been on hold for too long.
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[08:22] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good!
[08:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello m1x10
[08:23] <GW8RAK> I know it all works, but I've just got to repackage the flight computer.
[08:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:26] <GW8RAK> The plan is to fit it into a 50mm cube
[08:26] <GW8RAK> excluding batteries
[08:26] <GW8RAK> unless I use lipos
[08:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[08:27] <Lunar_Lander> what batteries would you use?
[08:27] <Lunar_Lander> voltages and so on
[08:29] <GW8RAK> Energizer lithiums for the batteries, but the final power pack depends on which camera etc and do I power things from their internal batteries or use one common power pack for all.
[08:29] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[08:29] <Lunar_Lander> by the way
[08:29] <GW8RAK> I think 9V as standard and then a power supply board to give 5V and 3.3V
[08:29] <Lunar_Lander> my concern when I saw the arduino was that it only had one power output for 3.3V and 5V each
[08:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:30] <Lunar_Lander> in the meantime I thought it might be better to power the sensors externally
[08:30] <Lunar_Lander> like you just said
[08:30] <m1x10> hi Lunar_Lander
[08:30] <Lunar_Lander> "power rail" is a term I read somewhere
[08:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello m1x10, how are you?
[08:30] <m1x10> good and u?
[08:30] <Lunar_Lander> I'm soso
[08:31] <m1x10> soso?
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander> learned that a good friend of mine who also is from greece has the cancer
[08:31] <m1x10> im sasa :)
[08:31] <m1x10> oh
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:31] <m1x10> bad thing
[08:31] <m1x10> young?
[08:31] <Lunar_Lander> but he isn't pessimistic
[08:32] <Lunar_Lander> he had his 34th birthday recently
[08:33] <m1x10> I hope scientists will find a therapy the next 15 years
[08:33] <Lunar_Lander> yes, I hope that too
[08:33] <m1x10> anyway
[08:34] <m1x10> dont tell me things like that those days
[08:34] <m1x10> i smoke too much in army :0
[08:34] <m1x10> i have 2 months and its over !
[08:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:35] <m1x10> well, i just created a blog for my project
[08:35] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[08:35] <m1x10> i think its about time i start blogging my stuff
[08:35] <m1x10> http://slaros.blogspot.com/
[08:36] <m1x10> I have the new boards
[08:36] <m1x10> but they got some issues, so i already design a new one
[08:37] <m1x10> I will send you a couple
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> cool, thanks :)
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> my blog is
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> www.winzenflyer.wordpress.com
[08:37] <m1x10> oh cool
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:37] <m1x10> too much text to read :)
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[08:37] <m1x10> u r wb8elk?
[08:37] <Lunar_Lander> thus the new innovation!
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> the picture!!
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> no, Bill has his own site
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> what I do is going to APRS.fi or spacenear and write about what I see there
[08:38] <m1x10> i think this guy have build a nice tracking software
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[08:38] <Lunar_Lander> you are a ham right?
[08:38] <m1x10> but unfortunately i havent try it yet
[08:38] <m1x10> yeah
[08:38] <m1x10> sw2hyx
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> then you should know that germany only has callsigns DA to DR
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[08:39] <m1x10> no i dont :)
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> ok :)
[08:39] <m1x10> i forgot many stuff
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I can imagine
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> I also load all the stuff into my head for uni exams
[08:39] <m1x10> my latest pic from army
[08:39] <m1x10> http://imagebin.org/149755
[08:39] <m1x10> :)
[08:39] <Lunar_Lander> and now I sometimes have to think hard to solve old problems
[08:40] <m1x10> im on the left :)
[08:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[08:40] <m1x10> :p
[08:40] <Lunar_Lander> B-PURCHIA on the wall?
[08:41] <m1x10> yeah
[08:41] <Lunar_Lander> what does it mean :)?
[08:41] <m1x10> wait
[08:41] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[08:41] <m1x10> 2nd battery
[08:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks :)
[08:42] <m1x10> battery in army has a different meaning
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> B as in Beta?
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I know
[08:42] <m1x10> yea
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> many guns
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> or now: many missiles
[08:42] <m1x10> yes
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:42] <m1x10> we are the beta many missiles unit :)
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> so, there are also A-PURCHIA and G-PURCHIA
[08:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:42] <m1x10> no
[08:42] <m1x10> A and Gamma
[08:43] <m1x10> alpha and gamma
[08:43] <m1x10> in my region
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[08:43] <m1x10> Athens have another 3 units
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> they say Gamma and not just G?
[08:43] <m1x10> Gamma is our 3rd letter
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[08:43] <m1x10> Alpha beta gamma delta
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I know
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> next is Zeta
[08:43] <m1x10> hehe
[08:43] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
[08:43] <m1x10> :P
[08:44] <m1x10> no its Epsilon
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> little Zeta and little Xi are quite difficult to write I think
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> oh yeah sorry
[08:44] <m1x10> yeah
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> and my little Zeta looks like that special Sigma
[08:44] <Lunar_Lander> the one that is on the end of words
[08:44] <m1x10> omega capital i think is the worst letter to draw
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> and little omega looks like w
[08:45] <m1x10> ending sigma is just like english s
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:45] <m1x10> yeah w
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> also
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> Upsilon and Ny look quite similar
[08:45] <m1x10> Y N
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> the little ones I mean
[08:45] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:45] <m1x10> ah
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> but Lambda is cool :)
[08:46] <m1x10> :p
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[08:46] <m1x10> lamba was a spartan symbol in their shields :0
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[08:46] <Lunar_Lander> some people here write the small theta so it looks like a v with a curl
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> and some make a little elipse with a central bar
[08:47] <m1x10> u can draw it and show me :0
[08:47] <m1x10> u learn greek in germany?
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, but I didn't have it in school
[08:47] <Lunar_Lander> but I think it would be interesting to learn it :)
[08:48] <m1x10> my bro is now doing fast german lessons. he is leaving greece. Wants to work as doctor in your country.
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah you told me :)
[08:48] <m1x10> he says german is difficult
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> I can imagine
[08:48] <m1x10> and he talks like german hilter some times
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[08:48] <Lunar_Lander> not good
[08:48] <m1x10> and we make fun
[08:48] <m1x10> lol
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Greek_letter_theta.png
[08:49] <Lunar_Lander> that is the second way of writing theta
[08:49] <m1x10> yeah both symbols are correct
[08:49] <m1x10> its just a matter of designing
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> and the other one is
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[08:50] <m1x10> ancient greek lang had a lost letter called dual-gamma and was F
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I saw that
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> and Quoppa or so
[08:50] <m1x10> yea
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> I recently saw something called "varpi"
[08:50] <Lunar_Lander> it was like an small omega with a vertical bar on top
[08:51] <m1x10> thats ancient letter
[08:51] <m1x10> with its tone
[08:51] <Lunar_Lander> btw, here is the other theta: http://www.gutefrage.net/frage/wann-verwendet-man-vartheta-in-der-waermelehre-physik
[08:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[08:51] <m1x10> lol that theta is artistic
[08:51] <m1x10> for artists :)
[08:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:51] <Lunar_Lander> another thing I noticed
[08:51] <Lunar_Lander> when we had trigonometry in school
[08:52] <Lunar_Lander> we often had the angles alpha, beta, gamma
[08:52] <Lunar_Lander> now we often have phi or theta as angles
[08:52] <Lunar_Lander> psi also sometimes
[08:53] <m1x10> yeah
[08:53] <m1x10> we had all of them :p
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> Psi is a cool letter too
[08:54] <Lunar_Lander> looks like a trident
[08:55] <m1x10> yeah its poseidons weapon :)
[08:55] <m1x10> http://www.easypedia.gr/el/images/shared/7/7d/Poseidon_sculpture_Copenhagen_2005.jpg
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[09:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[09:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello junderwood cuddykid
[09:04] <cuddykid> hi Lunar_Lander
[09:04] <cuddykid> bbl
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[09:11] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: im also building a tracking software myself: http://imagebin.org/149758
[09:12] <m1x10> it will read data directly from aprs ground station and/or from aprs.fi
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[09:13] <fsphil> morning one and all
[09:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool m1x10
[09:13] <Lunar_Lander> looks good
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[09:30] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 you said that you discovered faults in your PCBs?
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[09:34] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[09:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi Laurenceb
[09:34] <Laurenceb> hi
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[09:36] <Lunar_Lander> wb m1x10
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[09:43] <MNSP> Morning all, happy St George's Day :)
[09:43] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[09:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks,the same to you
[09:43] <fsphil> that poor dragon
[09:43] <fsphil> ;)
[09:43] <MNSP> lol
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> it's so funny
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[09:44] <m1x10> fsphil hi
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> there is a guy being called up by some callcenter woman
[09:44] <fsphil> g'day m1x10
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[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> and she asks if he was born in 1943
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> and he says
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> "I wasn't born in 1943. If I were, I would be a thousand years old or so"
[09:45] <fsphil> not the brightest person
[09:45] <Darkside> hmm
[09:45] <Darkside> i wonder how conditions to the UK are tonight
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> well, that was part of the trick fsphil
[09:45] <Darkside> i can only do 5W output power here tho :<
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> if course he wanted to "play" with that callcenter :D
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> *of
[09:45] <Darkside> looks good for 20m to the UK atm
[09:45] <Darkside> anyone got HF setup? :P
[09:46] <fsphil> 20m and me don't mix, but I'll have a listen :)
[09:46] <Darkside> i cant TX
[09:46] <Darkside> A) 5W output power
[09:46] <fsphil> I'm only 5W too
[09:46] <Darkside> B) my license class doesnt allow me to use 20m
[09:46] <fsphil> though it's been done
[09:46] <Darkside> i have a FT-817
[09:46] <fsphil> wait, you can't tx on 20m? that's weird
[09:46] <fsphil> 817 also
[09:46] <Darkside> fsphil: yeah, 80/40/15/10
[09:46] <fsphil> though I can do 50W with my licence, I don't have a big radio
[09:47] <Darkside> mm
[09:48] <fsphil> I'll try a bit of CW maybe
[09:48] <Darkside> heh
[09:48] <Darkside> got a good antenna?
[09:48] <Darkside> i'm using a bit of old powerline, which was left string up
[09:48] <Darkside> strung*
[09:49] <fsphil> nah, just a 5m vertical
[09:49] <Darkside> heh ok
[09:49] <Darkside> i was hearing french stations on 15m earlier
[09:49] <fsphil> it's a really noisy spot here, so I probably wouldn't hear anyone returning a call
[09:49] <m1x10> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7sGRdS51hw&feature=player_embedded
[09:50] <Darkside> but yeah, i'm doing peak 5W output power, so i doubt i'll be heard
[09:50] <fsphil> I've yet to hear any .au stations, but my wspr signal was received there a few times
[09:50] <Darkside> and since i can't do digital modes, i'm 'pushing shit uphill', as the saying goes
[09:50] <fsphil> technical or license restriction? (for digit modes)
[09:50] <Darkside> license
[09:51] <Darkside> i need to hurry up and get my advanced license
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool the superbus!
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> we used to joke in Latin that the last Roman King was called Superbus
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> and now the superbus is for real!
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[09:52] <fsphil> few stations on 20m, all talking over eachother
[09:52] <fsphil> S9 noise level though
[09:52] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10 I got another question if possible
[09:55] <fsphil> nah HF really is impossible here
[09:55] <Darkside> my noise level is sooo low here
[09:55] <Darkside> back home its S7
[09:55] <Lunar_Lander> brb
[09:55] <Darkside> around here, maybe S1-2
[09:55] <fsphil> nice
[09:55] <fsphil> I had the radio out in the middle of nowhere last weekend, and had S0 noise :)
[09:55] <Darkside> back later
[09:56] <fsphil> it makes a massive difference
[09:58] <MNSP> bbl :)
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[10:13] <Darkside> oh wow, the US is coming in loud and clear on the radio
[10:13] <Darkside> on 40m
[10:21] Action: fsphil tunes down a bit
[10:22] <fsphil> nothing on 40m at all here
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[10:23] <fsphil> or 80m
[10:25] <fsphil> a very strange noise on all frequencies below 4mhz
[10:26] <fsphil> make that 7mhz
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[10:29] <Darkside> lol some hams are discussing kraftwerk on 40m
[10:30] <fsphil> haha
[10:33] <Darkside> 5w output power isnt helping me tho
[10:33] <Darkside> totally not enough power to get out
[10:36] <fsphil> I wonder if one of my neighbours has a plasma TV, and has it on 24x7
[10:36] <fsphil> yea 5W just isn't enough
[10:36] <fsphil> on HF anyway
[10:41] <Darkside> yup
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[10:41] <Darkside> for data and morse yes
[10:41] <Darkside> voice no
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[10:42] <fsphil> in saying that it can be done
[10:42] <fsphil> just not very often :)
[10:47] <fsphil> meh, plasma tv's must be destroyed :)
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[11:00] <Darkside> grrrrrr hams talking about using a wet piece of string
[11:00] <Darkside> maybe a wet piece of string at 100W
[11:00] <Darkside> wet piece of string and 5w and you're fucked
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[11:03] <Lunar_Lander> back
[11:03] <Lunar_Lander> m1x10
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[11:09] <m1x10> hi yo
[11:10] <m1x10> just took my first pic with from embedded cam with the new board :)
[11:10] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: http://imagebin.org/149768
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> I got a question?
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> you said that the first boards you got had a malfunction
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> why?
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[11:17] <m1x10> not malfunction
[11:18] <m1x10> I had some components placed wrongly
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[11:27] <cuddykid> guys, how can I improve my gps (lassen iq) signal/accuracy? Its awfully weak at the moment even when outside with clear LOS of sky.. if I put a piece of polystyrene over it, bam, signal disappears! This is not good as it will be inside the polystyrene box!
[11:28] <Darkside> cuddykid: don't use lassen IQ
[11:29] <Darkside> they are very insensitive
[11:29] <Darkside> uBlox chipsets are far better
[11:29] <cuddykid> I'm going to have to use the lassen iq one for this flight :( .. can't afford another currently and lassen is all soldered in etc! :S
[11:30] <cuddykid> it gives me a reading about 50m away from where I am
[11:33] <fsphil> how many satellites is it seeing?
[11:35] <cuddykid> not sure, as it only reports back lat & long .. may hook it up to computer in a bit to see If I can get that info out.. from memory when I did it a while ago it was around 4
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[11:39] <fsphil> I'm a little surprised the polystyrene would make any difference to it.
[11:39] <fsphil> unless it's pressing against it?
[11:43] <mattltm> Hey guys :)
[11:44] <fsphil> tis mattltm!
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello mattltm
[11:44] <mattltm> Whats happening?
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander> lassen GPS of cuddykid does not get a lock
[11:45] <mattltm> That makes me sad :(
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[11:46] <cuddykid> Ive heard something about putting a ground plate under the gps antenna? Would that improve signal?
[11:46] <mattltm> Yes. Deffo.
[11:48] <cuddykid> cool, is it just a plate of metal? like aluminium foil? And does it need to be physically soldered onto gps antenna?!
[11:48] <cuddykid> thanks
[11:49] <NigelMoby> James...
[11:49] <NigelMoby> Can you do an xml for me for pico?
[11:49] <mattltm> Try some foil under the antenna first.
[11:50] <NigelMoby> Hey Matt, Phil, cuddy
[11:50] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigelMoby
[11:50] <mattltm> hi NigelMoby
[11:50] <NigelMoby> Hey kev
[11:51] <cuddykid> ok, will do mattltm
[11:51] <cuddykid> hi NigelMoby
[11:51] <fsphil> g'day NigelMoby
[11:51] <NigelMoby> Beautiful day out
[11:51] <fsphil> same ere
[11:52] <NigelMoby> Shame I just woke up lol
[11:52] <fsphil> we've got some of the scottish family over, heading out for a nice meal soon :)
[11:52] <fsphil> no haggis thankfully
[11:52] <NigelMoby> Haha hangs is...an acquired taste
[11:52] <NigelMoby> Haggis*
[11:53] <fsphil> I quite liked it, but not something I'd be wanting to try again
[11:54] <NigelMoby> Lol
[11:56] <fsphil> man I hate that I'm not launching today. conditions are perfect
[11:57] <NigelMoby> Snap
[11:57] <NigelMoby> Ideal launch weather
[11:57] <fsphil> you look to be pretty close to be done
[11:57] <NigelMoby> Yup gona 24 hour test it on the washing line
[11:58] <NigelMoby> Added temp sensor BTW
[11:58] <fsphil> cool
[11:59] <NigelMoby> I'll leave the en pin high for first test
[12:00] <NigelMoby> Then solder it to the avr b4 the timer code goes in
[12:02] <cuddykid> I'm not sure what to do about my carrier shift - currently around 600/700, I have soldered everything together and works great on the ground using the 850 shift in fldigid... will it really be a problem because I'd rather not have to unsolder everything!!! lol
[12:03] <Matt_soton> can u add a variable resistor easily?
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[12:03] <Matt_soton> it is best to match fldigi to the actual shift when the signal is weaker
[12:04] <Matt_soton> but u can set custom shifts if i remember correctly
[12:04] <Darkside> cuddykid: usw a custom shift if need be
[12:04] <Darkside> but if its through-hole resistors then desoldeirng one shouldn't be too hard
[12:05] <fsphil> your shift will possibly change during the flight anyway
[12:05] <fsphil> but best to start as close to a standard shift if possible
[12:05] <cuddykid> ok, Matt_soton, not easily, but would probably be easier than unsoldering! I'm just worried that it will increase too far so no one can track it during flight!
[12:05] <Darkside> it will decrease
[12:05] <Darkside> not increase
[12:05] <fsphil> yea
[12:06] <cuddykid> oh right, that should be ok then! (fingers crossed!)
[12:06] <NigeyS> hmm how do lipos react to direct sunlight ?
[12:06] <Darkside> you can always set a custom shift
[12:06] <cuddykid> just have to change shift during flight then
[12:06] <Darkside> yup
[12:06] <cuddykid> thanks guys!!
[12:06] <Darkside> with horus, we have to switch from 425 to 350Hz shift during the flight
[12:07] <cuddykid> cool, also, is there anyway to show my track while testing on the spacenear tracker? Do I need to create an XML file for flight or something?
[12:09] <Matt_soton> spacernear needs a xml but the raw data will show up on view.php
[12:09] <cuddykid> ok
[12:09] <cuddykid> :)
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[12:19] <NigeyS> ping jonsowman
[12:33] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[12:34] <NigeyS> hey jon, do you have a few mins to do an xml for picochu ?
[12:34] <jonsowman> i will do shortly
[12:34] <NigeyS> thank you sir :D
[12:34] <jonsowman> PM me the info, you know the drill :)
[12:35] <NigeyS> will do tnx jon
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> how do you change the shift?
[12:41] <NigeyS> resistor dividers .. yummy
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[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> even more difficulty!
[12:42] <NigeyS> noo
[12:43] <NigeyS> phil has a good method for getting 1 pin rtty working with a 425 shift, thats what im using on ats and picochu
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> so shift is just a question of resistances and then you put that shift into dl-fldigi?
[12:46] <NigeyS> i think someone else can explain it better than but yeah i guess so
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> I'll be in the bath, maybe someone could write or link me to such info please?
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> would be great! :)
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> brb
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[12:51] <Matt_soton> http://balloon.hexoc.com/media/apextech.pdf pg7
[12:51] <Matt_soton> Lunar_Lander: ^
[12:52] <Matt_soton> that document needs updating so much...
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[12:55] <NigeyS> hey matt
[12:55] <NigeyS> m1x10, GW8RAK :)
[12:58] <Matt_soton> hey
[12:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[12:59] <NigeyS> im wondering do i want to tally replicate launch conditions in this sunshine, bubblewrap and mylar, or just put it outside as is
[12:59] <NigeyS> totally*
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander> FSK=RTTY?
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander> OOK=Morse or so?
[13:00] <GW8RAK> Afternoon NigeyS
[13:00] <Matt_soton> well when it gets above the clouds it doesnt really make a difference if its a nice or rainy day
[13:00] <Matt_soton> morse is a type of OOK
[13:00] <GW8RAK> Got some time in the shack this afternoon to play radio. Have you got sun down there?
[13:00] <NigeyS> true, just want to be extra cautious re the lipos .. its pretty hot and not much shade here at the mo
[13:00] <NigeyS> we have GW8RAK gorgeous clear skies
[13:01] <GW8RAK> Lucky you, it's cloudy and just a little cold up here.
[13:01] <GW8RAK> Very depressing after yesterday
[13:01] <NigeyS> ill send up some sun hehe
[13:01] <NigeyS> id say try and pick up picochu but the highest its going is 20ft so maybe not lol
[13:01] <GW8RAK> A SOTA station on 70cm
[13:01] <Matt_soton> yea probably best not to leave a lipo in direct sun
[13:01] <GW8RAK> I though I was the only one who used 70cm
[13:02] <NigeyS> blimey sota on 70 .. thats rare ?
[13:02] <GW8RAK> The trouble with 70 is that a lot of people listen, but few call, hence giving the impression that the band is dead.
[13:03] <GW8RAK> Once I get my beams back up, 70 is a good band.
[13:03] <NigeyS> ahh i see
[13:03] <NigeyS> i dont get anything with my radio at all, i have a deaf yagi lol
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> LOL!
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Matt_soton
[13:04] <Lunar_Lander> so the FSK is that thing with the shifting right?
[13:04] <GW8RAK> Also listening to 21m, but there's not a lot of interesting stations on. Lots of eastern Europeans and Russians
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> can you speak that?
[13:05] <NigeyS> careful, might get black helicopters turning up for easedropping on russian secret stations hehe
[13:05] <BrainDamage> that's why you need to start using hydrogen for the future balloons
[13:06] <Matt_soton> :)
[13:06] <Lunar_Lander> why the H2?
[13:06] <BrainDamage> flammable
[13:06] <NigeyS> nooooo H2 is bad .. kaboom ..
[13:06] <GW8RAK> Only a problem if it mixes with O2
[13:07] <BrainDamage> when the black helicopters show up, you release the balloons
[13:07] <NigeyS> which there is plenty of ..
[13:07] <Matt_soton> yea but when thers hydrogen filling stations everywhere it will be kinda convenient
[13:07] <BrainDamage> and hope some are drawn by the rotors
[13:07] <NigeyS> lol BrainDamage
[13:07] <BrainDamage> ofc you'll need barometric triggers, so they'll ignite when ruptured
[13:08] <NigeyS> Matt_soton, good point actually
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> we did not consider the other gases
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> CH4
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> NH3
[13:08] <BrainDamage> ClF3
[13:08] <NigeyS> just off to the BP garage to fill my balloon .. hehe prolly be alot cheaper than He to !
[13:08] <Matt_soton> is it liquidised?
[13:09] <NigeyS> pass
[13:09] <NigeyS> annoying thing is, theres a boc "complex" 5 minutes from me with huge tanks of the stuff in view .. !
[13:09] <Matt_soton> according to google H2 will cost $1.35 per litre
[13:10] <NigeyS> hm whats that in normal money, just under £1 ?
[13:11] <Matt_soton> either way its not alot
[13:11] <Matt_soton> well asuming it must be somehow compressed
[13:12] <GW8RAK> 15m band is currently open to Idonesia. First time I've heard anyone from there
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[13:12] <GW8RAK> Don't have a hope of working him
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[13:12] <GW8RAK> Can't driver the amp.
[13:14] <GW8RAK> And don't have a beam for HF
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[13:18] <Laurenceb> interesting HF behaviour today
[13:19] <Lunar_Lander> 4 m^3 balloon with 2 kg payload, 1.5 kg balloon and CH4 will have a lifting force of 12.44 N on the ground
[13:19] <GW8RAK> Haven't listened for sometime, but summer time is best. 15m is good when it opens
[13:19] <GW8RAK> May even HF rig going
[13:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:20] <GW8RAK> get HF
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> oh wait
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> -12.44 N
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> Hydrogen would be +10.25 N
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> helium 6.73 N
[13:21] <Lunar_Lander> NH3 -13.58 N
[13:21] <GW8RAK> Lots of DX today, Kenya now
[13:21] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[13:21] <GW8RAK> 21.284
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[13:42] <cuddykid> GW8RAW - can this be picked up using FT-817? Would love to hear that lol!!
[13:43] <GW8RAK> If you have a good aerial cuddykid, certainly with an 817.
[13:44] <GW8RAK> I'm currently using a Racal 1778 which is my favourite receiver as it sounds like a "proper radio"
[13:44] <cuddykid> cool! What frequency/band are you on? Sorry, I'm a noob when it comes to radio stuff!
[13:44] <GW8RAK> The later Racal's sound awful
[13:44] <cuddykid> haha
[13:46] <GW8RAK> On 28.510, you'll find an Indian station and at 28.490 there is a DX expedition to an island near Madagascar.
[13:48] <cuddykid> hahaha!
[13:48] <GW8RAK> But 15m/21MHz is probably better; stronger signals
[13:49] <cuddykid> ok thanks, might try in a bit
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[14:00] <fsphil> there's stuff going on on 70cm?
[14:08] <TangoAlpha> any here who can adjust the XML for my balloon on robertharrison.org?
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[14:10] <jonsowman> TangoAlpha: yep, what's up?
[14:10] <TangoAlpha> i've made a couple of changes to the telemetry string
[14:10] <TangoAlpha> can i send you the new format and a couple of examples?
[14:12] <jonsowman> sure
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello TangoAlpha jonsowman
[14:15] <TangoAlpha> hello LL
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> preparing for launch
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> transforming to outdoor mode
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> adapting to...sunlight
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:15] <TangoAlpha> lol
[14:16] <TangoAlpha> i've just been outside, it's very bright
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:16] <cuddykid> jonsowman, talking of XML flights
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> I've just been outside.
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> I got very wet
[14:17] <cuddykid> ... didn't mean flights there lol... is there a guide anywhere to guide me in writing the XML file for my flight?
[14:17] <TangoAlpha> either a garden hose accident or you're not in southern uk
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> I was measuring up in considerationof buying something silly off ebay.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Scotland.
[14:17] <jonsowman> cuddykid: have a look at existing
[14:17] <jonsowman> here's a typical one
[14:17] <jonsowman> http://robertharrison.org/listen/nova18.xml
[14:17] <cuddykid> thanks
[14:18] <GW8RAK> FYI, there's a good high angle pass of satellite AO-51 at 16.02 on 435.300
[14:18] <cuddykid> I'll have a play! .. then who do I send it to to get it uploaded onto tracker?
[14:18] <TangoAlpha> would it be easier in future for me to get my xml, modify it myself and send it back?
[14:18] <GW8RAK> Should be audible on a white stick colinear
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> sunglasses washed
[14:19] <jonsowman> TangoAlpha: done
[14:19] <jonsowman> cuddykid: me, jcoxon, natrium42
[14:19] <TangoAlpha> cheers, let's see what happens on my next POST
[14:19] <jonsowman> couple of others
[14:19] <NigeyS> anyone able to check this code for me?
[14:19] <cuddykid> ok, thanks jonsowman
[14:20] <TangoAlpha> Checksum valid <BR>OK :-)
[14:20] <TangoAlpha> thanks jon
[14:20] <jonsowman> no worries
[14:20] <jonsowman> :q
[14:20] <jonsowman> oops
[14:22] <TangoAlpha> cool, my balloon payload is reporting it's own position
[14:22] <fsphil> AO-51 still working? there's been messages on the amsat list about it having limited battery power
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:23] <GW8RAK> Looks like it's limited, but I think it's in sunlight so should be working.
[14:24] <fsphil> is it overhead now?
[14:24] <GW8RAK> 16.02
[14:24] <GW8RAK> hrs
[14:24] <fsphil> ah, I'll be stuck at a birthday party surrounded by screaming kids
[14:25] <NigeyS> haha you love it phil :P
[14:25] Action: fsphil gets some earplugs
[14:26] <NigeyS> lol
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> It's only when the screaming stops abruptly that you need to worry.
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[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> see you later :D!
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[14:38] <cuddykid> jonsowman - could you check this over then upload if possible so I could do some testing.. planning to make a trip to tesco lol
[14:38] <jonsowman> give me a few mins
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[14:38] <cuddykid> ok, no probs, ping me when ready
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[14:46] <Laurenceb> is there a way to sync folders on a romote machine with sync and scp?
[14:46] <Laurenceb> *remote
[14:47] <BrainDamage> rsync
[14:48] <Laurenceb> ah, nice
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[14:55] <cuddykid> jonsowman - got to pop out, but heres the link for when your ready - http://www.wdw4brits.com/HAB/HABE1.XML many thanks
[14:55] <jonsowman> will do shortly cuddykid
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[15:40] <Zuph> Holy Crap, it compiled.
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[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of a solar thermal output estimator?
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[16:46] <cuddykid> ping jonsowman
[16:50] <jonsowman> hi cuddykid
[16:50] <jonsowman> sorry, will do the xml now
[16:50] <cuddykid> hi jon, I got the carrier shift wrong, but now updated it, link is still the same! thanks
[16:51] <jonsowman> done :) tis on the server
[16:52] <cuddykid> thanks! So do I just select it in fldigi and then the tracks should show up on spacenear tracker?
[16:52] <jonsowman> yup
[16:52] <cuddykid> great, thanks!
[16:52] <jonsowman> let me know if it's not working
[16:52] <cuddykid> will do
[16:57] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: theres the solar photovoltaic thing i found a while back
[16:58] <Laurenceb> pretty useful but doesnt give good power/area probability density function data
[16:58] <NigeyS> jonsowman, can you change the shift to 425 in the picochu xml pls ? you've set it to 350 hehe
[16:58] <Laurenceb> you can estimate a fair bit from the hours of sunlight/turbidity etc data
[17:00] <cuddykid> can anyone tell me what the script called "dl-fldigiHAB" does in the dmg download for mac? When I run it nothing happens :S!
[17:03] <jonsowman> NigeyS: sorry! yep
[17:04] <NigeyS> no probs, it still decoded at 350 mind
[17:04] <jonsowman> NigeyS: done
[17:04] <NigeyS> thankoo sir
[17:05] <jonsowman> cuddykid: it should start the hab mode
[17:05] <jonsowman> instead of normal mode
[17:05] <cuddykid> should I run it when fldigi is running?
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: True, I suppose.
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I just pulled the trigger on a 18 tube solar-thermal collector.
[17:06] <jonsowman> cuddykid: you should be able to use that link to start dl-fldigi
[17:06] <Laurenceb> you ordered one?
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:07] <cuddykid> got it, I must have been doing something wrong before! thanks
[17:07] <Laurenceb> awesome
[17:07] <Laurenceb> what are you going to use it for?
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Zeroth order initial test scheme. Connect mains water to input, through valve that turns on if manifold is >70C
[17:08] <Laurenceb> heh fair enough
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Hot water comes into an insulated cylinder.
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> And is then pumped out.
[17:08] <Laurenceb> sometimes you have to worry about corrosion on those
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Advantages of this scheme are I have all the bits.
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> It says it's OK - and water here isn't bad that way.
[17:09] <Laurenceb> ok
[17:09] <Laurenceb> so variable water level in the tank?
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> ys
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> es
[17:09] <cuddykid> Do I need to code in some restarts of the GPS module (lassen iq), currently I have just got it running continuously?
[17:10] <Laurenceb> what happens if the tank is filled and you use no water for a few days?
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> It runs out the side.
[17:10] <Laurenceb> heh fair enough
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> Hot water birdbaths.
[17:10] <Laurenceb> lmao
[17:10] <NigeyS> jonsowman, http://twitpic.com/4oixg5
[17:10] <NigeyS> lol
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> A closed loop system is of course the next step - but this is fine for datalogging
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> And will work usefully for showers.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> And stuff.
[17:11] <Laurenceb> yeah
[17:11] <Laurenceb> solenoid valve?
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Servo valve.
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Well -ort-of.
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> It's a bathroom tap and a servo.
[17:12] <Laurenceb> hah
[17:13] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:helium_valve
[17:13] <Laurenceb> something i made
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> I think on reflection that it's not getting hot enough to use helium as a coolant.
[17:14] <Laurenceb> lol
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Looks good.
[17:15] <Laurenceb> theres easily enough torque
[17:15] <Laurenceb> but would have been better to use plywood rather than balsa
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> I wonder about a silicone tube, and a pinch valve
[17:17] <Laurenceb> probably easier like that - polypipe valves are cheap
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> I mean for lightness
[17:17] <Laurenceb> you can just screw the servo into the top
[17:17] <Laurenceb> ah yeah
[17:19] <fsphil> yay survived
[17:23] <NigeyS> wb phil, how's the ears? lol
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[17:29] <fsphil> what? ;)
[17:33] <NigeyS> lol
[17:33] <NigeyS> gf has taken picochu for a walk
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[17:37] <Laurenceb> lol
[17:38] <cuddykid> lol NigeyS... I tried taking HABE for a walk before... it looked like I had a bomb with all the wires everywhere!!
[17:38] <NigeyS> lol this is wrapped in bubblewrap in an asda bag
[17:38] <NigeyS> with a beaming red LED shining through :|
[17:39] <NigeyS> meh out of range with the 790's whip
[17:39] <cuddykid> good idea!!
[17:39] <cuddykid> lol
[17:39] <cuddykid> have you got a yagi?
[17:40] <NigeyS> yeah but cant arsed hooking it up right now, just wanted to see how far she can go with reception on the whip
[17:40] <cuddykid> I know the feeling!
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[17:40] <cuddykid> very accurate gps by the looks of it, which one are you using?
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[17:43] <NigeyS> locosys
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[19:18] <fsphil> like you just don't care?
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:19] Action: SpeedEvil gets up.
[19:20] <fsphil> lovely cluster of storms over england right now
[19:25] <Laurenceb> none here
[19:26] <Laurenceb> http://doncasterwx.co.uk/lightning.htm
[19:26] <Laurenceb> ah
[19:27] <natrium42> Laurentius Maximus
[19:27] <NigeyS> natrium42
[19:27] <NigeyS> :D
[19:27] <natrium42> nigeyster
[19:27] <NigeyS> i need a favour please sir :D
[19:27] <natrium42> sup?
[19:28] <natrium42> you spelled it with a U, nice
[19:28] <natrium42> then sure
[19:28] <Upu> oh
[19:28] <Upu> guess where I am ?
[19:28] <natrium42> that's the canadian spelling too :)
[19:28] <natrium42> Upu: mars?
[19:28] <NigeyS> pluto?
[19:28] <Upu> no under those blobs of lightening
[19:28] <NigeyS> oh wait, thats not a planet now.. scrap that
[19:28] <BrainDamage> you strapped yourself to a balloon
[19:29] <BrainDamage> and currently floating on the atlantic ocean
[19:29] <natrium42> Upu: we will tell people your story, don't worry
[19:29] <natrium42> :)
[19:29] <Upu> lol
[19:29] <Upu> just unplugged my antenna :)
[19:30] <NigeyS> why?
[19:30] <NigeyS> :p
[19:30] <NigeyS> plug it in and stick a sausage on top
[19:31] <Upu> Well I'm 280 meters in the air and the antenna is the highest thing round here at the moment
[19:31] <NigeyS> haha oh eck
[19:31] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/4oixg5
[19:31] <Upu> so as terry pratchett once observed thats like standing in wet copper underpants on the top of a hill in a thunder storm shouting all gods are bastards
[19:31] <NigeyS> picochu is high too
[19:32] <NigeyS> lmfao Upu !
[19:36] <BrainDamage> Upu: http://buttersafe.com/2011/03/10/lightning-safety/
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42 Upu NigeyS
[19:36] <Upu> hehe
[19:37] <NigeyS> hey Kev
[19:37] <Upu> hey Lunar
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> do you know which Unis in the US do ballooing?
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> I found DePauw, Wright State and the Uni of Wyoming
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> well anyways
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> it is so great to know you all
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> Matt_soton NigeyS natrium42 Upu
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> and GW8RAK who is not here now as is mattltm
[19:50] <Upu> you going somewhere ?
[19:50] Action: fsphil wishes he was under one of those blobs ;)
[19:50] <NigeyS> that's nice of you Kev :d i'm sure we're all humbled
[19:50] <NigeyS> err.. phil .. why? lol
[19:50] <fsphil> it's actually perfectly clear skies here, not even a hint of cloud
[19:51] <fsphil> Lightning is my favourite weather phenomenon :)
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry fsphil!
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> how could I forget you!
[19:51] <fsphil> most people do :) I took a week of from work once, and nobody noticed
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> Upu no I still sit in my rotationable chair :P
[19:51] <NigeyS> ahh yes, i do like lightning, natures way of saying i 0wn your a**es !
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> I'm so sorry
[19:51] <fsphil> lol
[19:52] <fsphil> just spotted the first few Swifts flying over the town, which is always nice. Means summer is definitely here :)
[19:53] <NigeyS> oo cat will be out hunting soon then
[19:53] <fsphil> evil beastie :)
[19:53] <NigeyS> yups, he's a fat shite to !
[19:54] <fsphil> lol
[19:54] <NigeyS> right brb 4 hours into testing, gonna take a voltage reading off the lipo
[19:54] <fsphil> my sisters cat looks underweight, but it eats loads
[19:57] <natrium42> maybe it works out afterwards
[19:57] <fsphil> it likes to hunt .. but it's just really bad at it
[19:57] <fsphil> also likes lasers
[19:58] <natrium42> ima firin my lazer
[19:58] <natrium42> oooh
[19:58] <natrium42> we should liek put a "LAZER" onto a "balloon"
[19:58] <natrium42> for science!
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:59] <natrium42> the first amateur nearspace-bourne laser
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LF1asTFWM
[20:01] <natrium42> lol
[20:05] <NigeyS> hmmz
[20:05] <NigeyS> 3.93 volts
[20:05] <NigeyS> started at 4.17 4 hours ago
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[21:01] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SCZzgfdTBo&feature=player_embedded#t=146s
[21:01] <Laurenceb> ^lol overweight coderz
[21:07] <NigeyS> lol
[21:07] <NigeyS> like the HDD shredder
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=65649&tstart=0- how not to use the cloud.
[21:14] <Laurenceb> cant read it
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> The last hyphen is bogus
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> I missed a space
[21:16] <NigeyS> oh my..
[21:16] <Laurenceb> oh dear
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[21:40] <W0OTM> can someone clear the cache on habhub?
[21:40] <W0OTM> pls
[21:42] <fsphil> the predictor?
[21:42] <W0OTM> yeds
[21:42] <W0OTM> yes*
[21:42] <fsphil> done
[21:45] <W0OTM> thank you fsphil
[21:45] <W0OTM> you my hero
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[21:50] <NigeyS> lalala
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[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:49] <SpeedEvil> http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9466000/9466082.stm ...
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