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[03:10] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: @tuzonghua: NICE! You guys still interested in cross-club collaboration? We're looking for some #arhab tracking help on May 7th. #hamradio [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/60178350441889794]
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[06:43] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Atlas2 36hr test run started 0634BST, 434.075Mhz + SPoT, outside in garden #atlasballoon [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/60232150707998720]
[06:46] <natrium42> cool
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[06:57] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Atlas2 36hr test: monitor here: http://bit.ly/hqdun5 count,time,lat,lon,alt,mode,sats,navmode,battV,radioT,intT,PIDheat,light #atlasballoon [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/60235643976036352]
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[08:58] <NigelMoby> Meh how crap do I feel today :/
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[09:00] <GW8RAK> Out late on the booze?
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[09:02] <NigelMoby> Nooo
[09:02] <NigelMoby> My dodgy thyroid has been playing up lately
[09:03] <GW8RAK> Oh dear. Nothing serious I hope?
[09:05] <NigelMoby> Nah, just a change in the tablet dosage, they do it every now and then, get used to it after 10 years.
[09:07] <GW8RAK> Oh well, hope it all settles down soon.
[09:08] <NigelMoby> Me to, its annoying more than anything, it can be 20 degrees and I'm feeling freezing cold lol
[09:14] <fsphil> person sitting next to me in the office is the exact opposite
[09:15] <fsphil> could be icicles forming on the desk and still be too warm
[09:16] <NigelMoby> Lol that's crazy
[09:17] <NigelMoby> I get amazed by the thyroid... it controls so much of ure body
[09:17] <NigelMoby> And :@ at the post, only thing that came today was glue sticks :/
[09:41] <fsphil> getting it tight for the launch?
[09:44] <NigelMoby> Very
[09:45] <NigelMoby> Not gonna launch this week if parts aren't here tomorrow.
[09:59] <GW8RAK> That's bad new NigelMobey. I may have to work all day on Thursday then.
[09:59] <GW8RAK> news not new
[10:00] <GW8RAK> and NigelMoby, not Mobey
[10:03] <NigelMoby> I think you should take a day off just in case :p
[10:03] <NigelMoby> Hab holiday instead of bank holiday!!
[10:10] <GW8RAK> There's little enough production in the next few weeks as it is with all the bank holidays.
[10:10] <GW8RAK> But I like your thinking.
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[10:37] <TangoAlphaWork> with a budget of around£500, is there a better/similar/other radio than the yaesu ft-817nd, given that it will need to be usable from a chase vehicle and/or on foot?
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[10:40] <fsphil> FT790 is a good choice
[10:45] <fsphil> they appear on ebay from time to time, and go for about £80-£100
[10:45] <fsphil> batteries last ages
[10:46] <TangoAlphaWork> and it can be hooked up to dl-fldigi?
[10:47] <fsphil> via the computers line-in yea
[10:47] <TangoAlphaWork> cheers, i will keep my eyes open for one
[10:48] <fsphil> there are other choices but I'm not too familiar with them
[10:48] <fsphil> basically it needs to be able to receive on the 70cm band in SSB mode
[10:48] <fsphil> there are many 70cm radios, but few do SSB
[10:50] <TangoAlphaWork> is it worth looking at a handheld size radio as opposed to a 817/ 790 size?
[10:51] <russss> good luck finding a handheld that does SSB
[10:51] <TangoAlphaWork> ok, that's answered that one then
[10:51] <russss> I think you'll probably end up paying more for a handheld that does SSB than you would for an 817
[10:52] <TangoAlphaWork> http://shop.flybubble.co.uk/kenwood-th-f7e
[10:52] <fsphil> it's a shame the funcube dongle is so easily overloaded, would make a good receiver for this
[10:54] <GW8RAK> You could also look at a receive only radio such as some of the handheld scanners.
[10:54] <GW8RAK> These are cheaper. I got a Yupiteru recently on ebay for about £80 and it covers a wider range of frequencies.
[10:54] <russss> worth noting the sensitivity on those
[10:55] <GW8RAK> This could be important if balloons start launching with 800MHz telemetry.
[10:55] <fsphil> that's a fair point
[10:56] <TangoAlphaWork> i tihnk i ought to stick with a transceiver as later on i'd like to have some control over the payload
[10:56] <GW8RAK> As russss says, sensitivity can be a problem. I've only managed to test mine against a FT726 last week and it did seem less sensitive.
[10:56] <GW8RAK> But this could be due to poorer quality audio.
[10:56] <russss> that TH-F7E seems to have roughly the same sensitivity as the 817 on SSB 70cm
[10:56] <russss> so it looks pretty decent
[10:56] <GW8RAK> Hope to make a definitive test on the next launch.
[10:57] <fsphil> GW8RAK, I'll have to make sure I launch the 869mhz one when you're about
[10:58] <GW8RAK> Sensitivity can always be enhanced with a preamp for less money than a new 817.
[10:58] <GW8RAK> Thanks fsphil. I've been listening to the higher frequencies, but have yet to hear anything.
[10:58] <fsphil> same here, only I've been using the fcd
[10:59] <GW8RAK> If you use a scanner or receive only rig, the preamp is cheaper as there is no need for switching.
[10:59] <fsphil> 1.3ghz contest tonight, will have a listen for that
[10:59] <GW8RAK> I wan't sure if anyone else would be interested. I'll certainly be listening tonight. (Must get my own 23cm gear going)
[11:00] <fsphil> I'm RX only for the moment but hope to get something cooked up for TX'ing on the ghz bands
[11:00] <fsphil> might start with that gunn diode trick you mentioned before
[11:01] <GW8RAK> There is some interest in the North West for 10GHz wideband gunn gear as it is cheap and easy.
[11:02] <GW8RAK> The Bolton club are, I believe, going to get some activity going. Many microwavers have got the gear, but prefer the narrowband option.
[11:02] <fsphil> we'll have to arrange a trans-sea contact some day
[11:02] <GW8RAK> The record for years was Snowdon to the top of a Scottish mountain across the Irish Sea, so Snowdon to a hill in your area should be very achievable
[11:05] <fsphil> there's some nice hills about here
[11:05] <fsphil> the spot I used for tracking gaga-1 was 350m high, with a perfect view east
[11:06] <GW8RAK> I think I can carry all my gear up Snowdon. Can't afford the price of the train.
[11:09] <fsphil> cool, I didn't know there was a train on Snowdon
[11:10] <GW8RAK> As a seasoned walker, I could never take the train!
[11:14] <GW8RAK> Once did a winter SOTA trip up Snowdon and had ice forming on the aerial.
[11:14] <TangoAlphaWork> fsphil: can you explain what you mean about the funcube dongle?
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[11:15] <fsphil> TangoAlphaWork, it's like an experimental receiver for satellites. but they're hard to get and probably more expensive than an ft790 of ebay
[11:15] <fsphil> their advantage is small size and good coverage
[11:16] <fsphil> I wouldn't recommend it in it's current form
[11:16] <NigeyS> woo thats the housework done!
[11:16] <NigeyS> FCD still not 100% phil ?
[11:17] <TangoAlphaWork> what are the problems with it?
[11:18] <fsphil> it's very easy to overload it .. any reasonably strong nearby signals will interfere with it
[11:18] <fsphil> things like pagers, mobiles, stuff like that
[11:19] <fsphil> where a dedicated receiver would be fine
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[11:19] <fsphil> it wasn't really designed as a general receiver, but to be a part of a bigger system
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[11:25] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: Congratulations!
[11:25] <fsphil> basically, stick to a normal radio for now :)
[11:25] <NigeyS> hah thank you!! it was a hard manly task
[11:25] <TangoAlphaWork> :-)
[11:25] <fsphil> rar!
[11:26] <SpeedEvil> arj!
[11:27] <NigeyS> ZIP!
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> Also - Laurenceb will have a flexible USB SDR real-soon-now. Maybe even as little as a week after DNF.
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:30] Action: fsphil is looking forward to DNF
[11:30] <NigeyS> omgs
[11:30] <NigeyS> an azgard
[11:30] <NigeyS> A bizarre video claiming to show alien remains in a Russian ... made by two walkers in Irkutsk in Russia's remote Siberia - shows what appears to be the badly damaged corpse of a two foot high ET half buried in the snow
[11:31] <NigeyS> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/19/article-1378400-0BB0CD9300000578-321_634x472.jpg
[11:31] <BrainDamage1> self made sdr, or commercial? any specs on it?
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> BrainDamage1: self-made SDR. It's basically using a cheap TI chip to act like a dumb sampler with a flexible tuner, rather than a smart bidirectional comms chip
[11:33] <BrainDamage1> I c
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[11:40] <fsphil> NigeyS, you lost me at dailymail.co.uk
[11:41] <NigeyS> haha aye, must be a slow news day
[11:43] <NigeyS> phil, have you listened / watched any of the lectures from gresham college ?
[11:44] <fsphil> haven't nah, any good?
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[11:46] <NigeyS> aye, some good astronomy lectures by ian morison, worth checking it if you get a free hour
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[11:50] <Laurenceb_> DNF?
[11:50] <Laurenceb_> nah im not working on that anymore
[11:50] <Laurenceb_> you can try funcude or make your own
[11:50] <Laurenceb_> *cube
[11:51] <Laurenceb_> its all on the wiki
[11:51] <Laurenceb_> NigeyS: wulwtf
[11:52] <NigeyS> eh?
[11:53] <Laurenceb_> the alienz
[11:54] <NigeyS> oo ya, its an azgard obviously..lol
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[11:54] <NigeyS> btw go and hit your paypal
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[11:54] <NigeyS> your actively refused my payment or something..lol
[11:54] <NigeyS> it*
[11:54] <Laurenceb_> oh doh
[11:54] <NigeyS> think it retries on its own, never seen it do that before, plenty in there...lol
[11:56] <Laurenceb_> my account says completed
[11:57] <NigeyS> 18 Apr 2011 Failed Transfer
[11:57] Action: NigeyS shurgs
[11:57] <NigeyS> shrugs*
[11:57] <Laurenceb_> says completed and transferred to my bank account
[11:57] <NigeyS> lol god knows then, how odd
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[11:59] <Laurenceb_> sorry about the postage, i didnt post it until saturday
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[12:00] <NigeyS> ah thats ok, not a problem
[12:01] <NigeyS> have to get hold of an isp programmer, forgot that atmega chip was going to be naked
[12:02] <NigeyS> hm, i have an excel spreadsheet here, but appears i cant use it properly as i only have excel viewer :|
[12:03] <hibby> think there may be a bug in our library's billing system...
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[12:03] <fsphil> bloody bill gates
[12:03] <hibby> I got a letter through today telling me I owe them near enough £600 for 2 overdue books
[12:04] <hibby> :/
[12:04] <fsphil> yikes
[12:04] <hibby> i did lose them for a while
[12:04] <hibby> but they've been located now
[12:05] <NigeyS> lol thats a heck of a fine!
[12:05] <hibby> Indeed. I might as well keep the books
[12:05] <hibby> or go and talk to them about it.
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[12:20] <NigeyS> meh windows has decided it's not going to let my soundcard initialise today, oh the joys.
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[12:40] <NigeyS> fsphil, picochu-1 is paying you a visit http://spacenear.us/float-prediction/
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[12:48] <hibby> SUCCESS!
[12:48] <hibby> two phone calls and a visit
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[12:50] <fsphil> lol NigeyS, one of those predictions isn't far from my launch site
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[12:51] <hibby> those float lower than I imagined
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[13:09] <SamSilver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baXkvInpmA0 > @ the 39 sec mark a UFO takes a pot shot
[13:10] <SamSilver> great footage
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[13:14] <Laurenceb_> theres seems to be a cloud inside the balloon
[13:14] <Laurenceb_> maybe chalk dust off the inside?
[13:15] <SamSilver> yes I have seen that before
[13:15] <SamSilver> did you see the "shot" ?
[13:16] <SamSilver> you can hear it on the sound track
[13:16] <Laurenceb_> you can see something leaking from the side maybe
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[13:17] <SamSilver> if you listen at 39 secs you hear a pop, it is about five secs before burst
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[13:17] <Laurenceb_> oh yeah something comes off the top of the balloon
[13:18] <SamSilver> look carefully
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> but before that there seems to be a leak at one side
[13:18] <SamSilver> and listen
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> from the dust
[13:18] <SamSilver> I think it the styro poping off
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> styro?
[13:18] <SamSilver> it shoots from right to left then kind of upwards
[13:19] <SamSilver> styrofoam
[13:19] <SamSilver> insulation
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> oh off one of the payloads?
[13:19] <SamSilver> yes
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> perhaps
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> can you see the cloud coming off the side of the balloon?
[13:19] <SamSilver> can you hear the pop?
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[13:20] <Laurenceb_> starting about 42
[13:20] <SamSilver> let me reload
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[13:23] <SamSilver> i did see the cloud comming from the side, it is very distinct
[13:23] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[13:23] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if the envelope developed a leak before it failed
[13:25] <SamSilver> I notice that the "leak" is kind of related to how the balloon is tilted, could be a reflection of the sun
[13:25] <SamSilver> but it looks a lot like a gas escaping
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[13:27] <SamSilver> I feel like a cold case detective watching a video over and over angain
[13:27] <SamSilver> again
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[13:29] <SamSilver> I am sure it the reflection from the sun, if you watch the shadows and direct light on the payload lines you can see the "leak" is always on the sunlight side
[13:29] <SamSilver> sunlit side
[13:29] <NigeyS> hibby, between 2 and 5km is the target float altitude
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[13:31] <hibby> NigeyS: cool
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[13:35] <SamSilver> Hi Dan
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[13:37] <SamSilver> 2.5 days to PBH launch
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[13:41] <fsphil> NigeyS, if it does look like it's coming this way give me plenty of warning
[13:43] <NigeyS> haha will do, you can pick it up for me
[13:43] <fsphil> definitely!
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[13:45] <fsphil> can't see it happening though
[13:45] <NigeyS> cross ye fingers! :P
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[14:23] <Laurenceb_> any maths gurus in here?
[14:24] <SamSilver> you mean mats?
[14:24] <SamSilver> flying carpet type?
[14:24] <SamSilver> typo?
[14:25] <SamSilver> :-p
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> math then for you us types
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> im trying to solve d^2(b)/dz^2=a(z)*b(z)
[14:27] <fsphil> I can't see the word Guru without picturing a flashing red box around it
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> heh
[14:27] <SamSilver> http://www.mathsguru.co.uk/
[14:28] <SamSilver> http://www.algebra.com/algebra/homework/Sequences-and-series/Sequences-and-series.faq.question.238403.html
[14:28] <SamSilver> SOLUTION: 1. If y(x-1) = z then x= A. y-z B. z/y + 1 C. y(z-1) D. z(y-1) 2. If 3x=6x-15 then x + 8= A. 13 B. 10 C. 11 D. 12 3. If 3x + 5x = -8, then x + 1 = A. -2 B. -1 C. 0 D.
[14:29] <SamSilver> qed
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[14:31] <Laurenceb_> i have conditions for d(b)/dt and d at z=0
[14:31] <Laurenceb_> so i can see how you can solve this numerically
[14:31] <Laurenceb_> im confused how to do it algebraically
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> a is a known function, i want to find b as a function of a
[14:33] <SamSilver> I am out of my depth I fear .....
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[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: The key is rearranging all the terms so the z's fall on a triple-letter-score.
[14:40] <SamSilver> aaahh the king of kingspan
[14:49] <Dan-K2VOL> laurenceb_ wolfram alpha may help?
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[14:54] Action: Elwell keeps reading 'PBH' as PBF (Paisley Beer Fesival)
[14:57] <fsphil> would certainly make it a bit more fun
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[15:13] <fsphil> fedora 15 beta out today ... the new Gnome 3. better than the last time I tried it, but still awful
[15:16] <Dan-K2VOL> ah it's killing me, look at this trajectory we have for ~0100Z on Mar 21: http://imgur.com/gYu3V
[15:17] <imrcly> it is degrading
[15:17] <imrcly> was better yesterday
[15:17] <fsphil> eek dan, what's holding you back?
[15:19] <imrcly> and it is only that 1 hour window
[15:21] <Dan-K2VOL> no, it looks fine for 0000 and 0200
[15:21] <imrcly> the highest path starts to curve and was completely different yesterday
[15:21] <Dan-K2VOL> that's what happnes
[15:21] <Dan-K2VOL> it changes
[15:21] <Dan-K2VOL> it's not flight invalidating
[15:22] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil the problem with this path is that it crosses the North Atlantic Tracks, the region between Newfoundland and the UK. More generally, SpeedBall-1 is being neglected by a lot of it's other team members
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[15:22] <Dan-K2VOL> though it's tantalizingly close to completion I just can't do it all on my own
[15:23] <Dan-K2VOL> there's a few people who come around now and then
[15:23] <fsphil> I wish you where just down the road
[15:23] <Dan-K2VOL> but it needs some heavy constant work for a week
[15:23] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks Phil
[15:26] <NigeyS> whats the bulk of the work dan ?
[15:26] <imrcly> i should have the parts to get the camera power control working
[15:26] <NigeyS> physical, or stuff we can do to help you from here ?
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[15:27] <zuph> imrcly: If you don't have the parts, I *probably* do. Is the camera getting 3.3v, or 5?
[15:28] <imrcly> power is 5 but the control is 3.3
[15:28] <zuph> Dan-K2VOL: FWIW, the pivotal tracker has languished.
[15:28] <zuph> imrcly: I have the stuff for power, if need be.
[15:29] <zuph> imrcly: If Jeff would restock the store, the store would have parts too :-p
[15:29] <imrcly> is the store out of transistors?
[15:30] <zuph> No, out of FETs. The BJTs he has won't handle the power.
[15:31] <imrcly> i have some N-Channel MOSFET 60V 30A , they are overkill but will work
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Check that they work at worst case vgs(th) (or measure it) and at low temp.
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Or use a >5V driverr of course
[15:35] <zuph> imrcly: Are these the FETs from the battery packs?
[15:35] <imrcly> no just some i have i was going to use for something i forgot about
[15:36] <zuph> ah
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[15:51] <Dan-K2VOL> well zuph FWIW update it please, it was never meant to be just me making up the things to do
[15:51] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks for working on the cam driver
[15:53] <imrcly> i am not sure what needs to be done to the camera code, or how it is hooked up all i got out of it was they wiggled some wires and added a connector
[15:53] <zuph> Dan-K2VOL: FWIW, I *have* been updating it with everything I am in the know about. If I had a better grasp of how the camera and spring release were going, I'd add that too.
[15:53] <zuph> imrcly: Kick Jose. I think he's got diagrams, but hasn't uploaded them.
[15:53] <imrcly> i have the code for cutting power to it by default when it is not recording added just need to wire it up
[15:53] <Dan-K2VOL> updating what I know of now
[15:56] <Laurenceb_> what could be causing my printer to chuck out raw postscript?
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[15:58] <Upu> I has antenna
[15:58] <Upu> that makes a fairly massive difference
[15:59] <imrcly> it helps a little
[15:59] <Upu> before I couldn't really tell what the local HAMS were saying now I know for a fact they are just talking crap
[15:59] <fsphil> you finally get it up Upu?
[15:59] <Upu> they are talkiing about the relative pros and cons of kippers at the moment
[15:59] <fsphil> lol
[16:00] <fsphil> much like here then
[16:00] <Upu> but it's lovely quality now
[16:00] <Upu> taken me 4 hours and the loft was so hot
[16:00] <griffonbot> @apexhab: We've moved all our Git repositories to one account. Here's the link https://github.com/apexhab #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/60372245176004608]
[16:00] <Upu> you better launch this weekend fsphil :)
[16:00] <fsphil> eek, spiders
[16:01] <fsphil> It'll be criminal if I don't, the predictions are lovely.
[16:01] <Upu> shower time...
[16:01] <fsphil> so far
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> golden
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[16:20] <eroomde> yo fo's
[16:21] <zuph> The paperwork I have to fill out to get my thesis published requires I give them a future phone number.
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[16:22] <eroomde> lol
[16:23] <eroomde> just say your phone signals travel at the speed of light
[16:23] <eroomde> so reletavistically speaking...
[16:24] <zuph> "Sorry, probabilistic nature of the universe restricts ability to predict future."
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[16:26] <Upu> right next thing is how do I get a prolific usb to serial working under windows 7 64 bit
[16:27] <Upu> so I can remote control the radio
[16:31] <eroomde> god only knows
[16:31] <eroomde> ftdi + linux seems to be a happier ecosystem
[16:31] <eroomde> that doesn't help you though
[16:31] <Upu> no :)
[16:32] <Upu> I guess this is why it only cost £3.50 from ebay...
[16:36] <fsphil> it used to be the case that windows drivers worked better than linux, but for certain things these days that's now reversed
[16:37] <NigeyS> upu is it a 2303 ?
[16:37] <Upu> yeah
[16:38] <Upu> works fine on my 32 bit netbook
[16:38] <NigeyS> should work fine on win7 64bit
[16:38] <Upu> This device cannot start. (Code 10)
[16:39] <Upu> annoying is people are going here are some working drivers and everyone is referencing the same dead link
[16:39] <Upu> ah found it
[16:39] <fsphil> is that the driver from the prolific website?
[16:39] <NigeyS> meh i fond the official prolific drivers but i guess theyre the 1's giving you that error 10 ?
[16:40] <Upu> yay got it
[16:40] <NigeyS> \o/
[16:41] <SamSilver> bbl
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[16:49] <Upu> well Ham Radio Deluxe talks to it
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[17:16] <fsphil> fldigi supports it well too, via hamlib
[17:16] <fsphil> new version of hamlib also supports the funcube, but I've misplaced mine ...
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[17:47] <m1x10> Hi peoepl
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[17:48] <GW8RAK> lan
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[17:55] <eroomde> right
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[18:12] <fsphil> hyia m1x10
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[18:16] <NigeyS> anyone got a sledge hammer i can borrow please ?
[18:19] <fsphil> that bad?
[18:19] <NigeyS> yups
[18:20] <NigeyS> think my xfi is dead :(
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[18:30] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:31] <NigeyS> evening James
[18:31] <jcoxon> 12hrs into my 36hr soak test
[18:31] <NigeyS> how's it going ?
[18:31] <jcoxon> yeah not bad at all
[18:31] <NigeyS> good stuff :D
[18:31] <jcoxon> spot is txing away nicely
[18:32] <jcoxon> gets about 3-4 messages through an hour
[18:32] <NigeyS> nicey!
[18:32] <jcoxon> my main concern is my rechargable batts are beginning to run low
[18:32] <jcoxon> (of course will use lithiums in flight)
[18:32] <NigeyS> i'll email you some lipo's lol
[18:33] <jcoxon> currently at 5v
[18:33] <NigeyS> regulating down to 3.3 i take it ?
[18:34] <jcoxon> yes
[18:34] <jcoxon> they are old nimh anyway
[18:34] <jcoxon> so might have to change them if we run out
[18:35] <NigeyS> ah, im sure i had a load of those when i moved into here, heven't managed to find them though :/
[18:35] <NigeyS> james you think i can run this 168 pretty naked, or do ineed a couple of caps on there ?
[18:37] <jcoxon> you only need them for the crystal
[18:37] <jcoxon> if you use hte internal oscilator don't worry
[18:37] <NigeyS> thats ideal then, going to be using the int osc for this trip
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[19:07] <SpeedEvil> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/11/04/19/1736244/Skynet-Becomes-Aware-Launches-Nuclear-Attack
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[19:16] <mattltm> Ello peeps :)
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[19:18] <Upu> evening
[19:18] <Upu> hey mattltm you got a radio and a base antenna yea ?
[19:18] <MrCraig> evening
[19:19] <mattltm> Upu: Yes i do :)
[19:19] <Upu> you a radio amateurist ?
[19:19] <mattltm> Hi MrCraig
[19:19] <mattltm> Upu: Yes i am :)
[19:19] <Upu> reckon I'm in range of you ?
[19:20] Action: Upu is playing with new antenna
[19:20] <mattltm> Where are you and what band?
[19:20] <Upu> 2 meter
[19:20] <Upu> 145.212.50
[19:20] <Upu> uh hang on
[19:20] <Upu> set for repeater operation
[19:21] Action: fsphil has an optimistic listen
[19:21] Action: hibby swings the antennae round up here
[19:22] <fsphil> 145.212.50 FM?
[19:22] <Upu> yeah ignore me sorry I though he was in Manchester
[19:22] <fsphil> lol
[19:22] <mattltm> Hi fsphil :)
[19:22] <fsphil> I can actually hear something on that frequency, or maybe it's a nearby frequency
[19:23] <fsphil> g'day mattltm !
[19:23] <Upu> probably
[19:23] <Upu> thought we might get Manchester
[19:23] <mattltm> Upu: If you give me an hour to pump the mast up, I can swing my beam round to you :)
[19:23] <Upu> oh don't worry :)
[19:23] <Upu> lol
[19:23] <fsphil> you got it did you then mattltm?
[19:24] <mattltm> Yup. All fixed to the wall now with the 11 element 2M beam on it.
[19:24] <mattltm> Ordered a 21 element 70cm beam to sit on the very top today :)
[19:25] <Upu> serial port keeps freezing up
[19:25] <Upu> any suggestions on 64 bit Windows 7 how I can find out what process has locked the serial port ?
[19:25] <fsphil> that's cool mattltm, but also totally nuts :)
[19:25] <mattltm> lol.
[19:26] <fsphil> you'll be well setup for tracking hadie if it ever launches
[19:26] <mattltm> Passed the 2E0 too fsphil. Yay!
[19:26] <fsphil> ooh congrats!
[19:26] <Upu> grats :)
[19:27] <Upu> what day is likely for launch fsphil ?
[19:27] <mattltm> Ta. Just waiting for the results to be sorted on the ofcom site.
[19:27] <Upu> mine was fairly quick
[19:27] <fsphil> I wish I could say Upu, nobody's interested in going out during the easter holidays
[19:28] <fsphil> which is fair enough, they've all got kids :)
[19:28] <mattltm> I'm avaliable :)
[19:28] <mattltm> lol.
[19:28] <fsphil> right, easyjet :p
[19:28] <Upu> busy Saturday, Sunday you have sword my axe and my antenna
[19:28] <fsphil> but not the beard?
[19:29] <mattltm> lol.
[19:29] <Upu> no I don't have a beard I'd look silly
[19:29] <fsphil> haha, same here
[19:30] <hibby> hey, beards are cool
[19:30] <hibby> www.bit.ly/hibdap
[19:31] <Upu> I think you just prove my point
[19:31] <fsphil> lol
[19:31] <hibby> (perhaps it was a good thing that one of Mrs Hibby's ongoing conditions is that I maintain a bald face...?)
[19:31] <mattltm> lol.
[19:31] Action: hibby is in writing handover documentation for the following ground station manager :/
[19:32] <mattltm> fsphil: Are you connected to global luners?
[19:32] <mattltm> lol * tuners
[19:32] <fsphil> haha, nice
[19:32] <fsphil> For RX only
[19:32] <fsphil> I could never get their mono client to work
[19:32] <mattltm> Using the 817?
[19:33] <GW8RAK> fsphil, further to chat this morning, can hear some 23cm activity on the Yupiteru scanner
[19:33] <fsphil> wouldn't run at all
[19:33] <fsphil> oooh! I forgot about that ...
[19:33] <GW8RAK> Faint, but there are voices
[19:33] <fsphil> what sort of frequency do they use in that band?
[19:33] <GW8RAK> But the aerial is a 2/70 white stick at present
[19:33] <hibby> is 23cm not 1.2GHz?
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[19:34] <fsphil> yup tup
[19:34] <jcoxon> fsphil, http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=02vhBoDslO1BaEqCUR9sUikleajn0x2u4
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:34] <GW8RAK> The calling frequency is 1296.200, but activity is current on .235 and apparently .205
[19:34] <hibby> spot the chap who works in cubsat comms, lol.
[19:35] <fsphil> lol jcoxon, ahh the low altitude. didn't see that one coming
[19:35] <GW8RAK> hibby, 23cm is 1.3GHz, but the band spreads from 1240 to 1325MHz
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil hibby jcoxon and GW8RAK
[19:36] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander
[19:36] <fsphil> g'day Lunar_Lander!
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:36] <jcoxon> fsphil, its all cool
[19:36] <GW8RAK> fine here in Wales
[19:37] <jcoxon> txing through a polystyrene box as well
[19:37] <fsphil> it'll get a bit more random once it's in the air :)
[19:37] <hibby> GW8RAK: aye, that's generally what I figured, however I'm lazy. Lucky I just don't start going on with more vague terms such as L band and S band, as that's what it has to be reduced to in some meetings
[19:37] <hibby> :p
[19:37] <hibby> evening Lunar_Lander
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[19:37] <GW8RAK> I can never remember which band is which letter.
[19:37] <Upu> My local hams are talking about wing mirrors on a honda jazz now.
[19:37] <GW8RAK> Isn't Google great.
[19:38] <hibby> lol.
[19:38] <GW8RAK> Sounds about the norm Upu
[19:38] <fsphil> haha
[19:38] <fsphil> now if spectravu would hurry up and load....
[19:38] <hibby> Upu: This is why I never talk on V/UHF using my license
[19:38] <GW8RAK> Around here we have Billy the scouse taxi driver
[19:38] <hibby> I'm all about the datas
[19:38] <fsphil> I think I've broke wine somehow
[19:38] <GW8RAK> hibby, keep off FM and try SSB on 70cm
[19:38] <hibby> we've got Stig the taxi man amongst others... The chat on S19(all ex CB, funnily) is always... exciting...
[19:39] <hibby> GW8RAK: up here, 70cm is pretty dead over all :/
[19:39] <GW8RAK> It's pretty dead all over, but that is the challenge. There are people out there, but a 1000 listeners does not make one QSO.
[19:39] <GW8RAK> As someone said once.
[19:40] <fsphil> I hear the odd conversation on 2m SSB, but it's usually about farms
[19:40] <GW8RAK> But when 70 opens up, it is quite exciting. I remember jumping in the car one morning at 4am and on 50W of FM worked into eastern Germany.
[19:41] <GW8RAK> Eventually late in the afternoon I managed a chat with a UK amateur via the Paris repeater.
[19:41] <GW8RAK> Wish I'd been at home for that lift
[19:42] <fsphil> I seen some nice distant TV signals once year
[19:42] <jcoxon> mmmm this polystyrene box is toasty
[19:42] <fsphil> but I've not caught anything on the radio so far
[19:43] <jcoxon> sitting outside its still reading 21C internal
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[19:43] <Laurenceb> yo
[19:44] <GW8RAK> fsphil, the dx cluster/spotting page is run by ON4KST and I'm watching that for any local stations.
[19:44] <GW8RAK> Certainly hearing things, but not clear enough
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi Laurenceb
[19:45] <fsphil> spectravue won't start at all for me
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[19:53] <hibby> oh, we appear to have a 3cm voice repeater up here
[19:53] <hibby> that's pretty cool
[19:54] <fsphil> that'll be a chalange
[19:54] <fsphil> +l
[19:54] <hibby> It's got a 100MHz split, lol
[19:54] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wpid-IMAG0118.jpg
[19:54] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wpid-IMAG0119.jpg
[19:54] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wpid-IMAG0120.jpg
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[19:54] <fsphil> *envy*
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> hey mattltm
[19:55] <hibby> mattltm: surely its' not... neighbour friendly?!
[19:55] <mattltm> hibby: When its down its ok. Not so much when its 40' in the air :p
[19:56] <hibby> but that's only temporary//nighttime, yesh?
[19:56] <fsphil> how long does it take to extent fully?
[19:56] <fsphil> extend*
[19:56] <hibby> :p
[19:56] <fsphil> yea yea :p
[19:56] <mattltm> Yes, I plan to only pump it up when im playing 2M/70cm
[19:57] <mattltm> fsphil: With the hand pump about 10 minutes.
[19:57] <fsphil> GW8RAK, total silence on 23cm but also totally wrong antenna
[19:57] <mattltm> With the air compresor about 2 minutes
[19:57] <fsphil> not bad!
[19:57] <GW8RAK> I've got completely the wrong aerial as well, but can hear odd snatches of audio
[19:57] <fsphil> is it as heavy as it looks?
[19:57] <GW8RAK> Some CW
[19:58] <mattltm> I lock all the sections, then apply air and unlock the top section. Let it extend, lock it and unlock the next one....
[19:58] <mattltm> 90Kg
[19:58] <GW8RAK> That's a seriously heavy mast
[19:58] <mattltm> Tell me about it. I had to fix it to the T&K whilst the other half looked on!
[19:59] <fsphil> I have a 2.4ghz antenna on the roof, but the connector on the end is sma and I don't have an adaptor for the funcube
[19:59] <fsphil> er, not sma
[19:59] <fsphil> TNC
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> TNC!!
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:00] <GW8RAK> Well I've got a 20 or so element yagi for 23cm in the roof. But it's not connected to anything.
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> that is a graffiti team from Osnabruck :P
[20:00] <GW8RAK> Until I can get the mast back up, it'll have to stay there
[20:01] <fsphil> I need to bodge together an 869mhz yagi
[20:01] Action: hibby has a lovely system on the roof of the university that should hopefully be 2.4GHz capable by summer, but I'll be gone by then :(
[20:01] <fsphil> hmm.. I wonder, I might still have some tnc crimp plugs left. could make an adaptor
[20:02] <fsphil> hibby, go back and *borrow* it :)
[20:04] <hibby> fsphil: I'll still be about next year, just in a less responsible position. I'm sure I'll still acquire a key... somehow. And I'll need to teach the next person all the relevant skills...
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> what does he mean?: http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?p=259734&postcount=15
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> 'send me money'
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-tft-lcd-android-2-2-via-8650-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-pink-349-79mhz-2gb-3-usb-sd-lan-70759
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> random
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[20:42] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[20:42] <NigeyS> wb james
[20:42] <Upu> evening
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> hey NigeyS
[20:42] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu jonsowman
[20:42] <jcoxon> still 19C in my payload box outside
[20:42] <NigeyS> jcoxon, am i still only looking at the red points on the float predictor ?
[20:42] <Upu> just use hi * :)
[20:42] <NigeyS> hey Lunar
[20:42] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yeah
[20:43] <NigeyS> nice, its liking the northerly track alot !!
[20:43] <jcoxon> i can run it again for you
[20:43] <jcoxon> it doesn't update regularly
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> Upu NigeyS http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/basic-balloon-systems/
[20:43] <NigeyS> go for it, lets see how much it's shifted for thursday
[20:44] <Upu> I noticed I got a mention :) More than welcome
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[20:45] <NigeyS> wahey tnx for the mention
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome :)
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[20:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kongming-candle-powered-flying-sky-lantern-2-pack-assorted-color-23485
[20:48] <Upu> "kills cows on landing"
[20:48] <Upu> * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8490524.stm
[20:51] <fsphil> eek! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137674
[20:52] <jonsowman> fsphil: yeah I saw that, very sad
[20:52] <fsphil> indeed
[20:57] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Developing the BalloonSat flight computer for my dissertation study. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/60446829623513089]
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[21:10] <Upu> c
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[21:10] <fsphil> ++
[21:20] <NigeyS> ponies
[21:31] <hibby> omg!
[21:34] <NigeyS> my random word of the day
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[21:36] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: easy to make your own with bin liners and candle wax burners
[21:37] <Laurenceb> http://www.overflite.com/
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[21:39] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: @nearsys Any specs on ur BalloonSat flight computer? #arhab #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/60457526969368576]
[21:40] <Laurenceb> ive launched a 2.4GHz camera like that
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[21:46] <NigeyS> fs
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[22:04] <MrCraig> I know this is off topic, but does anyone in here happen to be a guru in linux video streaming, live broadcast?
[22:09] <NigeyS> not video no, i've done my fair share of live audio on linux from nightclubs though
[22:11] <MrCraig> using shoutcast typically?
[22:15] <fsphil> I've hacked some video streaming stuff for my webcam
[22:16] <fsphil> but it's *really* hacky
[22:17] <MrCraig> hmm - I've been able to stream using shoutcast in the past but it's NVL format so I'd need to find both an embeddable player and source or software component to encode to it - and this is to go into a production environment too.
[22:18] <MrCraig> I also need to be able to start server instances remotely.
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[22:18] <MrCraig> I think it's probably time to either visit a #linux based channel or pay a man with knowledge.
[22:18] <fsphil> icecast? it can do theora streaming
[22:19] <MrCraig> theora?
[22:19] <fsphil> ogg theora, free video format
[22:19] <MrCraig> Ideally I'd like flv streaming just because I know of some great players - but anything that can be embedded into a web page would work.
[22:19] <NigeyS> MrCraig
[22:19] <MrCraig> isn't icecast a dozey thing thoug?
[22:19] <NigeyS> take a look at wowza media systems
[22:19] <MrCraig> I've seen wowza mentioned about and was just headed that way now :) thanks Nigey
[22:20] <fsphil> theora works well in firefox without plugins, which is neat :)
[22:20] <MrCraig> that is neat, is that a html5 thing?
[22:20] <fsphil> yea
[22:21] <fsphil> flash is still probably better supported though, unfortunately
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[22:21] <MrCraig> yeah, 98% according to data I found on the back of the internet napkin
[22:24] <fsphil> hopefully webm will be better supported
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[22:37] <hibby> html5 has kind of become a buzzword, as has cloud and xG
[22:38] <BrainDamage> don't forget web.20
[22:38] <hibby> and as such, I reckon the technologies it will eventually use will be a warzone for years to come
[22:38] <BrainDamage> err web2.0
[22:38] <hibby> BrainDamage: that's old had
[22:38] <hibby> **hat
[22:38] <MrCraig> except that in the case of html5 it actually does mean something unlike cloud and web2.0 :-) Even if what it means is a specification that once again reassembles out dated technologies
[22:38] <hibby> it's all about 3G/4G/etc
[22:38] <MrCraig> 4G is LTE :)
[22:38] <MrCraig> don't cloud and web2.0 mean the same thing anyway?
[22:38] <hibby> MrCraig: indeed, but it's other techonlogies too... HSPA+, WiMax
[22:39] <hibby> MrCraig: if you mean absolutely nothing... then yes
[22:39] <NigeyS> lol
[22:39] <hibby> already we're discussing generations of things in the uni here, where as a couple of years ago we were talking about spaceflight2.0
[22:39] <hibby> now it's Cubesat 2G
[22:39] <hibby> same thing.
[22:40] <hibby> (We're not on to 3G as nothing has, as of yet, left the ground, lol)
[22:40] <MrCraig> lol
[22:41] <hibby> while html5 will last as a standard for the modern web (as we see it now), it's still a spot for browser fighting currently as they all implement slightly different technologies and takes on the specification
[22:42] <MrCraig> yeah - I hate that
[22:42] <hibby> and it gets bandied around as the saviour "Oh, html will do this, and flash will be obsolete", which sounds much like "LTE will bring us 100MBit! Wireliess internet is dead, long live wireless broadband" and the like...
[22:43] <MrCraig> and I wish they'd do away with javascript or at least provide alternatives, and what'd be wrong in compiling it to byte-code instead of consistently failing to eek performance out of it on the fly?
[22:43] <hibby> it's just one of those things that tech bloggers love to blog about. Just like Arduino.
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[22:43] <hibby> there is work going into compiled components for it
[22:43] <hibby> the big issue is instruction sets, iirc.
[22:44] <MrCraig> As for flash being obsolete, I think html5's video tag will put a small dent in it's market place, but it won't kill it. Silverlight is the closest contender and being MS it's support for multiplatform is shoddy at best, though they do have the marketing might to pull it off if they want to.
[22:44] <hibby> el goog had a demonstration up for chrome a while ago
[22:44] <MrCraig> .Net kills me, it's developers love it in spite the fact that it sux in every detail
[22:45] <hibby> haahh
[22:45] <hibby> .net... I remember seeing that and running back to VB6
[22:45] <hibby> I'll stick with C :)
[22:45] <MrCraig> *nods - I'd take C/C++ native over .NET - though I'm a delphi dev at heart.
[22:46] <MrCraig> except the delphi for dot net versions, they suck too.
[22:47] <TangoAlpha> assembly code ftw :-)
[22:47] <hibby> nice
[22:47] <MrCraig> TangoAlpha: You're an ill person and a sadist.
[22:47] <TangoAlpha> :-p
[22:47] <TangoAlpha> i've written windows programs in x86 using masm :-)
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[22:48] <MrCraig> same here, though it was nasm
[22:48] <MrCraig> or was it tasm - long time ago now
[22:48] <MrCraig> directX in assembler is just so much fun *claps*
[22:48] <TangoAlpha> not tried that
[22:48] <MrCraig> it's all about pointers to pointers to methods
[22:49] <TangoAlpha> directx in c/c+ was bad enough
[22:49] <MrCraig> once you figure that bit out, it's happy coding. (My attempts were back in DX5 though I think)
[22:49] <hibby> And I think gtk+ can be grumpy!
[22:50] <TangoAlpha> i managed some sound audio stuff using directsound 10+ years ago
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[22:50] <MrCraig> Though I did get a kudos back slap once for asking a support question while coding using the freepascal compiler, under windows, targeted at gtk+
[22:50] <fsphil> excellent
[22:51] <MrCraig> lol - it was the worst selection to go for possible
[22:51] <TangoAlpha> definitely worth some geek points
[22:51] <Darkside> idiot points
[22:52] <Darkside> heh
[22:52] <MrCraig> either way, it's all points.
[22:52] <Darkside> yup
[22:52] <fsphil> hehe
[22:52] <fsphil> I'm rubbish at making UIs, they always end up cluttered or just bad looking
[22:52] <MrCraig> There's actually an IDE that supports gtk+ on windows for us pascal die hards now - but I never use it for such.
[22:53] Action: MrCraig whispers to fsphil, bevels and group boxes.
[22:54] <fsphil> that's no fun :p
[22:55] <BrainDamage> fsphil: I know that feeling
[22:56] <MrCraig> right, thanks for the discussion and pointers on the streaming thing - but midnight is my limit on a school night
[22:56] <fsphil> yikes, that time already
[22:56] <fsphil> g'night MrCraig, g'night all
[22:56] <MrCraig> *nods - luckily tomorrow is my last day at work until tuesday. :-0
[22:56] <MrCraig> G'night all.
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[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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