highaltitude.log.20110417

[00:02] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/4lrn2a
[00:03] <BrainDamage> Lunar_Lander: google instructabliss
[00:03] <BrainDamage> lets you access most/all instructable content without the junk
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah, thanks :)
[00:03] <BrainDamage> if it lacks a page, you can request it from an automated from
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[00:07] <BrainDamage> bottom right
[00:08] <NigeyS> brb..bloody windows update :@
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[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> but I need an account to request a page?
[00:12] <BrainDamage> mmm, in the past, there was no such requirement :/
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[00:12] <BrainDamage> I guess instructables bugged them :x
[00:13] <BrainDamage> check if you find a valid login @ http://bugmenot.com
[00:13] <BrainDamage> maybe they got some pro account there ( iirc old accounts automatically got pro-ed )
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL: http://daid.mine.nu/instructabliss/?url=http://www.instructables.com/id/Wooden-engagement-ring/
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> it bothers me, that one of the things in the list is called "anal"
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> I thought WTF?
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[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> wb fsphil
[01:09] Action: hibby yawns and stretches
[01:09] <hibby> can't sleep tonight
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[01:35] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[02:13] <hibby> wb
[02:14] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[08:25] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:25] <mattltm-mob> morning
[08:27] <mattltm-mob> James: going up a hill today?
[08:27] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[08:27] <jcoxon> really just wanted their to be a launch
[08:28] <mattltm-mob> is Phil not launching?
[08:28] <jcoxon> no
[08:28] <mattltm-mob> shame
[08:29] <mattltm-mob> im at the Kempton park radio rally
[08:29] <jcoxon> i'll save the hill trip for another day
[08:29] <jcoxon> when their is a launch
[08:29] <jcoxon> there *
[08:29] <mattltm-mob> I'll be ready for next time!
[08:30] <jcoxon> instead i'll keep working on my payload
[08:30] <mattltm-mob> good plan
[08:31] <jcoxon> hehe kempton is going to be expensive!
[08:33] <mattltm-mob> I know! just in the line now
[08:33] <jcoxon> i don't love amatuer radio to make the trip
[08:33] <jcoxon> enough*
[08:34] <mattltm-mob> looking for a good Rotator
[08:34] <mattltm-mob> you could have called shotgun with me
[08:35] <jcoxon> its okay
[08:35] <jcoxon> i've only ever made one contact and used a repeater a handful of times
[08:35] <jcoxon> defintely a 'maker' not a 'talker'
[08:36] <mattltm-mob> I'm a hf man. love homebrewing antennas
[08:36] <jcoxon> i guess i only got into radio through balloonning
[08:37] <jcoxon> when we started off we didn't use radio at all
[08:37] <jcoxon> just GSM based systems
[08:37] <mattltm-mob> ah. I see.
[08:38] <jcoxon> in some ways #highaltitude started for non-ham HAB projects
[08:38] <jcoxon> as in the US its all hams + aprs
[08:38] <mattltm-mob> so you used to loose the payload and wait for it to drop back into range?
[08:38] <jcoxon> yup
[08:39] <jcoxon> painful
[08:39] <jcoxon> backup beacons came first (on Peg III)
[08:40] <mattltm-mob> well in a way it is good that the UK licence restricts airborne use
[08:40] <jcoxon> and then their were various experiements with data transmission such as packet and CW but it settled on RTTY as the defacto
[08:40] <jcoxon> mattltm-mob, oh i agree, its encouraged innovation
[08:41] <mattltm-mob> licence free LPD is much more accessible
[08:41] <jcoxon> we should be all proud of our dl-fldigi/spacenear.us system
[08:41] <jcoxon> basically building a more flexible APRS style system
[08:41] <mattltm-mob> yes you should. its fantastic
[08:42] <mattltm-mob> do you ever see ukhas becoming a constituted group?
[08:42] <jcoxon> its often been discussed
[08:43] <jcoxon> the are + and - with that move
[08:43] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Chase Cars via dl-fldigi/spacenear.us"
[08:43] <mattltm-mob> I have helped set up and run over 35 groups so feel free to rack my brain.
[08:44] <jcoxon> the informality is helpful
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[08:44] <jcoxon> just treating it as an umbrella to many groups
[08:44] <mattltm-mob> yes, I agree. though a group can attract funding.
[08:45] <jcoxon> i think the next move is to organise a UKHAS conference
[08:45] <jcoxon> the idea has been thrown around again and again
[08:45] <jcoxon> but nothing has ever materialised
[08:45] <mattltm-mob> good idea.
[08:45] <jcoxon> often because many hab people are budget tight
[08:45] <mattltm-mob> tip.
[08:45] <mattltm-mob> pop stupid phone!
[08:45] <mattltm-mob> aghhhh
[08:46] <jcoxon> cambridge is the obvious meeting point imo
[08:46] <jcoxon> just a day of talks really
[08:47] <mattltm-mob> talks and cake.
[08:47] <jcoxon> exactly
[08:48] <jcoxon> the other place could be hte london hackspace
[08:48] <jcoxon> might be able to get a deal...
[08:48] <jcoxon> ping russss
[08:48] <jcoxon> :-)
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[08:48] <mattltm-mob> can have my place for free.
[08:49] <jcoxon> :-D not terribly central though
[08:49] <jcoxon> i remember that every weekend :-)
[08:49] <mattltm-mob> nope :(
[08:49] <Matt_soton> jcoxon: this posted chase cars at one point https://github.com/mattbrejza/APEX/blob/master/Installers/chase.py
[08:49] <jcoxon> thanks
[08:49] <Matt_soton> adams 15min script for the first lauch
[08:49] <jcoxon> i just wanted to see how it was done
[08:49] <jcoxon> it should be super easy to reimplment it
[08:50] <Matt_soton> i would have thought it would post to robertharrison.org/listen/view.php rather then spacenear directly
[08:51] <jcoxon> Matt_soton, thats the issue, for some reason robharrisons scripts have lost chase car ability
[08:51] <jcoxon> hence why i'm going to add it back
[08:51] <Matt_soton> oh ok
[08:51] <jcoxon> dl-fldigi can now do chase cars but its just posting to the server which the server ignores
[08:51] <Matt_soton> makes sense now
[08:53] <jcoxon> grrrr
[08:53] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
[08:55] <jcoxon> can't edit listen.php
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[09:11] <m1x10> hi all
[09:13] <BalHare> hi m1x10
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[09:20] <russss> jcoxon: sure, you can use hackspace for free, but it depends how many people are going to attend :)
[09:21] <russss> it gets a bit fiddly with more than ~20
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[09:23] <jcoxon> russss, doubt we'd get more then 20
[09:23] <jcoxon> i think it would be a good idea to do something
[09:23] <MNSP> morning all :)
[09:24] <jcoxon> that said if we could get sponsership we could hire a room in one of the cambridge colleges
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[09:26] <MNSP> are we on this morning?
[09:26] <jcoxon> no launches this morning
[09:27] <MNSP> :(
[09:27] <MNSP> ok thanks jcoxon
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[09:32] <jcoxon> wow now that is interesting
[09:32] <jcoxon> SPoT can actually tx upside down
[09:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:33] <BalHare> don't tell SamSilver that!
[09:33] <jcoxon> i've found that the limiting factors are its own terrible GPS
[09:33] <jcoxon> and if sats are over head
[09:33] <jcoxon> if the sats are there it'll get the message through
[09:34] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
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[10:07] <fsphil|m> morning all
[10:08] <jcoxon> hey fsphil|m
[10:08] <jcoxon> fixed a bug in SPoT code
[10:08] <jcoxon> i was wondering if i could have the decode code
[10:08] <fsphil|m> ooh .. silly bug or bad bug?
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[10:08] <jcoxon> silly bug from me
[10:09] <fsphil|m> the decode is part of that example
[10:09] <jcoxon> yeah, i left that on pastebin
[10:09] <fsphil|m> haha, okie. lemme see if I can grab that. on a slow connection this-morning
[10:11] <fsphil|m> http://fpaste.org/PcqK/
[10:12] <fsphil|m> I've left the bit of code there where I'd loaded the coordinates you received via spot
[10:15] <jcoxon> awesome
[10:15] <jcoxon> it works
[10:17] <fsphil|m> excellent
[10:17] <fsphil|m> are you flying this soon?
[10:17] <jcoxon> it won't be till may
[10:18] <jcoxon> fsphil|m, http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=02vhBoDslO1BaEqCUR9sUikleajn0x2u4
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[10:18] <MI6VIM> silly mobile
[10:19] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:20] <jcoxon> that not a good link
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[10:24] <n0sebl33d> I have this device: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9981. By accident I wired VIN to gnd and gnd to power source.
[10:24] <n0sebl33d> is it damaged ?
[10:25] Nick change: n0sebl33d -> mixio
[10:25] <jcoxon> difficult to tell
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[10:25] <jcoxon> the only way is if you put it back to how it should be and see if it works
[10:25] <mixio> it does not respond :(
[10:25] <jcoxon> it has an onboard regulator which should protect it a bit
[10:26] <mixio> yes
[10:26] <jcoxon> then yes it probably has been damaged
[10:26] <mixio> i wonder if it has a protection diode too
[10:26] <eroomde> eyup
[10:26] <jcoxon> morning eroomde
[10:26] <eroomde> is it still?
[10:26] <eroomde> good!
[10:26] <eroomde> I've actually got stuff done on a sunday before lunchtime
[10:27] <jcoxon> :-D
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[10:28] <jcoxon> MI6VIM, it works
[10:28] <jcoxon> woohoo
[10:28] Nick change: MI6VIM -> fsphil|m
[10:29] <fsphil|m> all digits where they're suppose to be?
[10:29] <jcoxon> yup
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[10:30] <fsphil|m> how much accuracy does the coordinates loose? in my tests it was less than about 20 metres
[10:31] <jcoxon> so its at 50.8167 -0.3681 59m
[10:31] <jcoxon> thats over the radio
[10:31] <jcoxon> and SPoT gave us
[10:31] <jcoxon> Decoded: Lat 50.8167, Lng 0.3705, Alt 20059
[10:31] <fsphil|m> lol
[10:31] <jcoxon> of course we hard coded the 2000
[10:31] <fsphil|m> more than good 'enuf!
[10:31] <fsphil|m> yea
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[10:33] <jcoxon> as the tracking button only will track for 24hrs need to get it to trigger the button again to keep it going
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[10:35] <fsphil|m> simple as a pull-down resistor on the pin the button goes to?
[10:35] <jcoxon> thats already done
[10:35] <jcoxon> just need abit of millis()
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[11:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Richard Painter "[UKHAS] HAB Radio Receiver"
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[11:58] <jcoxon> and now they bring out Spot connect :-(
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[13:08] <NigelMoby> Meh
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[13:15] <NigelMoby> I've figured out a way to get free He
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[13:16] <NigelMoby> I just need electrolysys (sp) and cold fusion....
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[13:21] <BrainDamage> why not use hydrogen directly? only issue with it is that it's flammable, but it's not like you'd be carrying a passenger
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[13:39] <NigelMoby> Hm no... I don't like exploding things.
[13:42] <NigelMoby> Jcoxon about?
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[13:48] <jcoxon> NigelMoby, only for 2 mins
[13:48] <jcoxon> how can i help?
[13:48] <NigelMoby> Jus wondering when spot was going up?
[13:48] <jcoxon> oh won't be til may
[13:49] <NigelMoby> Ahh okies
[13:49] <jcoxon> am working a lot in the next 2 weeks
[13:49] <jcoxon> and then will have some time off
[13:50] <NigelMoby> Oh thatll be cool, ill try get he for a pico Wednesday I think.
[13:50] <jcoxon> cool
[13:51] <jcoxon> make sure you've tested the payload lots
[13:51] <jcoxon> bbl
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[13:51] <NigelMoby> Will finish the build tonight and run a 24 hour test
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[14:24] <NigelMoby> Ello gw8rak
[14:24] <GW8RAK> Afternoon NigelMoby
[14:24] <GW8RAK> Back from my cycling and wondering what's happening?
[14:24] <GW8RAK> Is that your track on spacenear.us?
[14:25] <NigelMoby> Not much very quiet today. Not mine. Unless it says ATS1?
[14:25] <GW8RAK> Yes, ATS1. -50m altitude.
[14:26] <NigelMoby> Ahh I was testing the new code
[14:26] <NigelMoby> Thought it had been cleared off
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[14:26] <GW8RAK> That explains it.
[14:27] <GW8RAK> Think I'm ready for a snooze, but dont know if it's the sofa or garden?
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[14:27] <NigelMoby> If I can get helium should have a pico payload ready for wed or thur
[14:28] <GW8RAK> Sounds good. I think I'm just going to go ahead and do the first launch as a private event so I don't have to worry about insurance and the air cadets.
[14:28] <GW8RAK> A few evenings work and it'll be ready to fly, but it's all on hold at present.
[14:29] <NigelMoby> Ahh I see, insurance is a pain.
[14:30] <GW8RAK> The predictor is accurate enough to fly without, but HQ Air Cadets would wet themselves at the thought.
[14:30] <NigelMoby> Is it more about insuring them, or the public?
[14:31] <GW8RAK> Covering themselves for 3rd party claims and the ensuing publicity if someone's greenhouse glass was broken.
[14:32] <NigelMoby> Ah I see.
[14:32] <GW8RAK> They have plenty of insurance, but even model aircraft flying is not covered. FFS, I thought the organisation was about flying.
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[14:32] <NigelMoby> Lol makes you wonder don't it.
[14:32] <Upu> afternoon
[14:33] <NigelMoby> Hey upu
[14:33] <Upu> hey Nigel
[14:33] <GW8RAK> It is quite strange and I'm sure it will ease in time, but the big increase in litigation of the 90's really put the stop on many things.
[14:33] <GW8RAK> Afternoon Upu
[14:33] <Upu> hi there
[14:34] <Upu> where are you NigelMoby - South Wales ?
[14:35] <NigelMoby> Yup, cardiff, though if I launch a pico mid week its likely to be from outside pontyprydd
[14:35] <Upu> k
[14:36] <NigelMoby> Nice big hills and no trees lol
[14:38] <SAIDias> Hello World
[14:38] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[14:38] <NigelMoby> Hey w0otm
[14:40] <Upu> morning W0OTM
[14:42] <NigelMoby> Hmm wonder if these rf link xmitters can do rtty
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[16:02] <zuph> Happy Sunday, #highaltitude
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[16:11] <damien7579> g'afternoon.
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[16:12] <damien7579> need some help sourcing a radiometric NTX2
[16:12] <damien7579> is farnell the only stockists in the UK of this unit?
[16:14] <jonsowman> damien7579: go to radiometrix directly
[16:14] <NigeyS> jonsowman :-)
[16:14] <damien7579> I presume phone only as their online shop does not list it
[16:14] <damien7579> for sale
[16:15] <NigeyS> you could email them
[16:15] <jonsowman> correct
[16:15] <damien7579> cool. will try that tomorrow first thing. anyone know if they ship outside UK within EU
[16:15] <damien7579> ?
[16:16] <NigeyS> afaik yes they do, i think lunar ordered 1 direct and he was in germany ...
[16:17] <damien7579> thanks for info. will try them out tomorrow and see what they say.
[16:17] <damien7579> shame it's not sold on more sites.
[16:17] <NigeyS> jonsowman, have you used helium from air products ?
[16:18] <jonsowman> yes
[16:18] <jonsowman> NigeyS:
[16:18] <NigeyS> wondering if theyre ballonium stuff is pure enough
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[16:18] <jonsowman> I can't remember what grade we ordered to be honest
[16:19] <jonsowman> it was several years ago
[16:19] <NigeyS> ahh okies
[16:19] <jonsowman> I think the documentation has been lost in the sands of time
[16:19] <jonsowman> :\
[16:19] <NigeyS> looking at a pico launch possibly mid week
[16:19] <jonsowman> :)
[16:19] <NigeyS> im guessing the predictor cant do a prediction for it ?
[16:20] <jonsowman> what are we talking?
[16:20] <NigeyS> 3 possibly 4 36" foils
[16:20] <NigeyS> 85g payload max
[16:21] <jonsowman> well it will give you a rough idea
[16:21] <NigeyS> could push it to 90 if the rf-link doesnt work and i have to use the ntx2
[16:21] <jonsowman> it doesn't (yet) have float support
[16:21] <NigeyS> i'll give it a go with what i remember from james's last flight, as far as ascent rate goes
[16:22] <jonsowman> on james' last one, the ascent rate was about 1m/s and it floated about 7-8km altitude
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[16:25] <NigeyS> yup, hoping to get a little higher, possibly 1.5 .. and working on some weights to be a bit more accurate with filling
[16:26] <jonsowman> cool :)
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[16:26] <NigeyS> will try for 30g of lift for each balloon
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[16:29] <NigeyS> hey james
[16:29] <NigeyS> wb Lunar_Lander
[16:29] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
[16:29] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[16:29] <jonsowman> you pinged this morning
[16:29] <jcoxon> yes
[16:29] <jonsowman> what can I help with?
[16:29] <jcoxon> i was going to fix listen.php for chase cars
[16:30] <jcoxon> but permissions got in the way
[16:30] <jonsowman> righto
[16:30] <jonsowman> oh
[16:30] <jonsowman> sorry
[16:30] <Lunar_Lander> thanks NigeyS and hello jcoxon and jonsowman
[16:30] <NigeyS> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=efcaa441f2c9f0802087a7f06c91e9031ab4346c
[16:30] <NigeyS> hmmz
[16:30] <jonsowman> jcoxon: fixed
[16:31] <jcoxon> NigeyS, i can run you some float predictions if you want
[16:31] <jcoxon> its a sort of hourly predictor but hacked to do floats
[16:31] <NigeyS> i was just about to ask if you had any parameters that would help in that department lol !
[16:31] <jcoxon> will run if later
[16:31] <jcoxon> it'll take a while
[16:32] <NigeyS> no probs, thanks, do you need any info, or can you grab it from that prediction ?
[16:32] <jcoxon> i'll grab it from the prediction
[16:32] <jcoxon> NigeyS, i actually think you should aim for a low float
[16:32] <jcoxon> 1-2km
[16:33] <NigeyS> any kind of float would be a success!
[16:33] <NigeyS> i do have an idea for cgetting almost the same amount of helium into each balloon too
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[16:36] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yes thats very true
[16:37] <jcoxon> i haven't been successful yet
[16:37] <NigeyS> i think the best way i can do that is how you do a normal balloon, i want 30g of lift per balloon in total, so attach 30g weights to each balloon ..
[16:38] <NigeyS> a bag of walkers crisps weight exactly 30 grams! lol
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> the biggest problem is that the helium cools when it expands out of the cylinder
[16:39] <NigeyS> yup
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[16:45] <MNSP> hello all :)
[16:46] <NigeyS> ello MNSP
[16:46] <MNSP> alright nigeyS
[16:47] <jonsowman> jcoxon: are you working on chase car stuff now?
[16:48] <jcoxon> wb8elk in flight
[16:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:48] <jonsowman> ok, shout if I can help
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[16:51] <jcoxon> bingo
[16:52] <jonsowman> :)
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> he is going slow again
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> +1.3 m/s
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[17:00] <jcoxon> no update for a while
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> not good
[17:01] <jcoxon> there is aprs onboard as well
[17:02] <jcoxon> apparently there is 20m txer on board
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> that works
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> 5.1 m/s
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> now 4.5 m/s
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> he seems to be out of the jetstrem now
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> +a
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[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello GW8RAK
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[17:56] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander, sorry I couldn't reply quicker. Had to eat something.
[17:56] <GW8RAK> I'm fine, you?
[17:56] <fsphil> woo, home at last
[17:57] <GW8RAK> Evening fsphil, did you launch today?
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> I am fine too, thanks
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> did you get my letter yet?
[17:57] <GW8RAK> Thanks for the mission patch. Much appreciated.
[17:58] <fsphil> GW8RAK, afraid not -- wasn't able to arrange a driver for the chase
[17:58] <GW8RAK> Makes me want to get my designed. I have a friend who is a graphic designer so with luck he'll do it for free.
[17:58] <GW8RAK> fsphil, bad luck
[17:59] <GW8RAK> Are you going to try again soon?
[18:00] <fsphil> Unofficially next weekend -- but I won't announce it until I'm sure it's happening
[18:00] <fsphil> I'm trying to get a few of the local ham clubs involved
[18:00] <GW8RAK> There's a lot riding on an announced launch.
[18:00] <fsphil> indeed. though to be fair I didn't announce the last one :)
[18:00] <GW8RAK> I'm sure you'll find someone who is interested.
[18:01] <fsphil> well, by last one I mean this weekend
[18:01] <jcoxon> i did though :)
[18:02] <fsphil> Hopefully when it does go up you'll not be stuck at work
[18:02] <Upu> I'll have my antenna up by then and will be able to remotely operate the station
[18:03] <jcoxon> fsphil, i suspect i will be
[18:04] <fsphil> for the 869mhz test I'll definitely have to aim for a weekend you're off
[18:05] <fsphil> actually I'll need to make some antennas, I don't think there are commercial yagis for that frequency
[18:05] <jcoxon> eek my funcube will actually have to work
[18:05] <fsphil> lol
[18:05] <fsphil> indeed
[18:05] <GW8RAK> Are you trying an 869MHz tx fsphil?
[18:05] <fsphil> I figure even at that distance the signal should be more than strong enough for 300 baud
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome GW8RAK :)
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I was afk
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> bill's balloon seems to have burst
[18:06] <fsphil> GW8RAK, yups! Got the 869mhz version of the NTX2 here -- and it's 500mw output power
[18:06] <fsphil> though limited to 10% duty
[18:06] <GW8RAK> On permanently for 1 day and then off for the next 9? :)
[18:07] <fsphil> lol .. I'd been wondering that myself ;)
[18:07] <Upu> haha
[18:07] <GW8RAK> I've got a couple of old TV aerials in the roof and will see what frequency they are good for. TV goes up to about 850MHz.
[18:07] <fsphil> yea .. we get telly from across the border, and it's right up at the top of the tv band.
[18:08] <GW8RAK> I don't think anyone would be bothered by a higher duty cycle provided it doesn't cause interference.
[18:08] <GW8RAK> And even then, they'd have to know who to complain to.
[18:08] <GW8RAK> And some strange RTTY would be difficult to trace.
[18:08] <jcoxon> apart from that it identifies its position :-p
[18:09] <GW8RAK> True, but they still wouldn't know who to lock up.
[18:10] <GW8RAK> Unless we told them!
[18:11] <fsphil> I can't find out what the maximum period is
[18:12] <fsphil> ah, an hour
[18:12] <GW8RAK> I think it is defined in the appropriate document and is based on an hour.
[18:12] <fsphil> "duty cycle limit means the proportion of time during which equipment is actively transmitting within any one hour period"
[18:13] <jcoxon> eek 6 minutes
[18:13] <fsphil> yea
[18:14] <Upu> pack 10 radios onboard...
[18:14] <fsphil> to keep the same throughput the baud rate would need to be at least 3000 baud
[18:14] <jcoxon> yay i've got battery voltage sensing setup
[18:14] <GW8RAK> Good solution
[18:14] <fsphil> well beyond fldigi's ability
[18:14] <Upu> bit expensive mind
[18:15] <fsphil> sweet jcoxon - using the internal vref?
[18:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:15] <jcoxon> its only rough estimate really
[18:15] <jcoxon> this payload is coming togther nicely
[18:16] <jcoxon> 434, SPoT, crystal oven with PID, 2 temp sensors, photosensor, voltage sensor
[18:18] <fsphil> I love the crystal oven
[18:19] <jcoxon> going to make the setpoint a bit warmer
[18:19] <jcoxon> at 10deg
[18:19] <jcoxon> so that it kicks in a bit earlier so we don't get so much inital drift
[18:19] <jcoxon> though might move the set point
[18:20] <fsphil> aah, have it decrease slowly during the flight?
[18:20] <jcoxon> could do
[18:20] <jcoxon> it doesn't really matter what temp it is - just how stable it is
[18:21] <jcoxon> and its a bit of a waste to have the heaters at full power trying to get it to 10degC in a -40 degC environment
[18:21] <fsphil> yea
[18:29] <NigeyS> jcoxon, i cant find the schematic .. what size are those blue caps on the atlas board ?
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[19:13] <NigeyS> meet PicoChu-1 http://twitpic.com/4m51qe ......
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:15] <fsphil> does it give little static electric shocks?
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Is it going to be coated in fluorescent yellow?
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[19:26] <NigeyS> fsphil, no! lol
[19:26] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, sorry, no, mylar and silver gaffa tape for this 1 :p
[19:27] <NigeyS> pending helium and weather, launch is thursday 10 - 10:30am
[19:27] <fsphil> unlikely I'll receive anything, but I'll leave the radio on and have a listen from work
[19:28] <fsphil> assuming I don't get called away again
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[19:28] <NigeyS> i hope you get to pick it up, its going the wrong way for most of the trackers we normally see for the HAB's :(
[19:29] <NigeyS> evening mattltm
[19:29] <Upu> where is landing ?
[19:29] <fsphil> perfect for GW8RAK
[19:29] <NigeyS> Upu, at the mo.. the irish sea lol
[19:29] <mattltm> Hi All :)
[19:29] <Upu> yeah I'll take a rain check on that one
[19:29] <NigeyS> but thats using the normal predictor, which isnt really set for the floaters
[19:29] <fsphil> g'day matts
[19:30] <mattltm> Hi NigeyS, fsphil.
[19:30] <fsphil> I'll be away thursday night so in the chance it does float this far you can use my radio remotely
[19:30] <NigeyS> wahey
[19:30] <NigeyS> 817 aint it ?
[19:30] <fsphil> yep
[19:30] <NigeyS> mm id love to get 1, maybe xmas time!
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[19:31] <fsphil> lovely little radios, esp. for foundation licenses
[19:31] <NigeyS> oh aye, just a shame their so expensive, even second hand, they almost as much as brand new
[19:32] <fsphil> We where camping last night and I brought mine out with me
[19:33] <fsphil> heard more on HF with a 40cm wire than I hear at home with a 10m wire :)
[19:33] <NigeyS> haha thats crazy!
[19:34] <NigeyS> i actually managed to hear mattltm a few times on your 790 with just the whip last night phil
[19:34] <fsphil> wish I'd brought my tuner and a longer wire
[19:34] <fsphil> ooh cool
[19:34] <fsphil> still nothing from yours?
[19:34] <GW8RAK> Do you live in a built up area fsphil?
[19:34] <fsphil> GW8RAK, fair few houses here yea
[19:34] <NigeyS> hard to tell, i picked him up once very very faint with the whip last w/end .. but with both radios, nothing with the yagi
[19:35] <GW8RAK> There's not many houses around here, but one day with a power cut, I got the 817 working on batteries. The lack of noise was wonderful
[19:35] <fsphil> I ruled out any noise from my own house by turning the electric off - so the noise is likely coming from a neighbour
[19:35] <NigeyS> lol that gives me an idea
[19:35] <fsphil> aah faulty yagi possibly
[19:35] Action: NigeyS wonders where the local sub-station is .. do b doo
[19:35] <fsphil> lol
[19:36] <fsphil> not far actually ... *g*
[19:36] <fsphil> actually the noise could be coming from there
[19:36] <fsphil> it's about 100m away
[19:36] <NigeyS> :o
[19:36] <fsphil> though all the cables are underground these days
[19:37] <NigeyS> true
[19:37] <GW8RAK> I remember the amateur who got me interested when I was at school. He had a big vertical in his garden, and always said that the power lines about a quarter mile away limited reception from that direction.
[19:39] <NigeyS> blimey
[19:39] <NigeyS> i think every house in my street has helped turn my yagi deaf tbh
[19:40] <fsphil> a yagi will be better at rejecting noise, well assuming the noise isn't coming from the direction of the signal
[19:40] <fsphil> a whip will tend to pick up any noise
[19:41] <NigeyS> id make a noise if i was being whipped! *gets coat*
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[19:42] <fsphil> http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
[19:42] <NigeyS> lol
[19:42] <GW8RAK> With the last word of that link, I wasn't sure if I wanted to click on that link!
[19:43] <NigeyS> hahaha
[19:44] <fsphil> lol
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:48] <mattltm> Does at FRG-9600 full ring any bells for anyone here?
[19:50] <fsphil> no bells, just a few tumbleweeds
[19:50] <mattltm> lol.
[19:50] <mattltm> I picked up an frg-9600 taday (very cheap)
[19:51] <mattltm> but the service manual shows a single antenna socket and this one has two?
[19:51] <fsphil> it looks properly cool
[19:51] <mattltm> The only referance I can find to it having 2 antenna sockets is here....
[19:51] <fsphil> pic on rigpics has one
[19:51] <mattltm> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?topic=53734.0
[19:51] <mattltm> Mine defo has 2!
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[19:52] <NigeyS> oo you went to the rally matt ?
[19:52] <fsphil> there's a space for a second,
[19:52] <mattltm> And it will also tune down to 000.000.0!
[19:52] <mattltm> Yes NigeyS :)
[19:52] <fsphil> wait it receives telly?
[19:53] <mattltm> Yup.
[19:53] <russss> heh nice
[19:53] <mattltm> Jsust trying to work out what the hell is going on with it!
[19:53] <NigeyS> mattltm, no fair! :( lol
[19:53] <mattltm> Athough it tunes below where it should, it seems to have no RX.
[19:53] <fsphil> coolies, you can hook it up to an ultrasonic mic and listen to bats :)
[19:54] <fsphil> (I tried that with my 817 .. didn't work)
[19:54] <fsphil> but it only goes down to 97khz (100khz LSB)
[19:55] <fsphil> mattltm, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAESU-FRG-9600-/280629123617
[19:55] <fsphil> has two sockets
[19:56] <mattltm> one N and one pl. This one has 2 pl sockets.
[19:56] <fsphil> hmm
[19:56] <mattltm> "This receiver as been professionally converted to receive HF bands 20mts etc by R.WITHERS COMMS LTD"
[19:56] <mattltm> Wonder if they are still arround.
[19:57] <fsphil> possibly
[19:57] <mattltm> Nothing on google :(
[19:58] <fsphil> I wonder if the US version has a PL socket .. most of their TV frequencies are VHF
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[19:59] <mattltm> This is very strange.
[19:59] <natrium42> who, me
[19:59] <natrium42> ?
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[20:00] <NigeyS> yup natrium42 your a strange dude:P lol
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[20:04] <mattltm> Shame you cant see the contact details in that image :(
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[20:05] <natrium42> NigeyS: :O
[20:05] <jcoxon> evening natrium42
[20:07] <NigeyS> hehe love ya really dude !
[20:07] <jcoxon> pbh is launching their zp soon
[20:07] <jcoxon> launch window is 21/4/11 - 22/4/11
[20:08] <jcoxon> its a 54000 cubic foot ZP balloon
[20:09] <NigeyS> is that bigger than the whitestar zp ?
[20:09] <jcoxon> yes
[20:09] <jcoxon> much
[20:09] <NigeyS> wow theyre really going for it
[20:09] <jcoxon> the one that white star have is 920 cubic foot
[20:09] <fsphil> we need to get a major company involved in whitestar
[20:10] <russss> 1,529m^3
[20:10] <russss> jesus
[20:10] <jcoxon> russss, thats what their email says
[20:10] <russss> who's paying for their helium?
[20:10] <NigeyS> lockheed martin probably
[20:10] <jcoxon> indeed
[20:10] <russss> how big was that ZP you flew in africa, jcoxon?
[20:12] <jcoxon> the biggest was 12000m3
[20:13] <jcoxon> though i was really only involved with the 3000m3 balloons
[20:17] <jcoxon> with payloads weighing between 45 and 81kg
[20:19] <russss> do we know how big the BLAST balloon is? it would be cool to have more info about their platform instead of the telescope
[20:19] <jcoxon> i don't
[20:20] <jcoxon> your answer will be here: http://stratocat.com.ar/indexe.html
[20:20] <russss> ah, nice
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[20:29] <russss> Payload weight: 4008 lbs
[20:29] <russss> Gondola weight: -
[20:29] <russss> Overall weight: 5808 lbs
[20:29] <russss> that was 2009/10's BLAST mission I think
[20:29] <jcoxon> the antarctic or sweden launch?
[20:29] <russss> ah wait, 2006 http://stratocat.com.ar/fichas-e/2006/MCM-20061221.htm
[20:29] <russss> the newer ones don't have any weight
[20:29] <russss> so 2634Kg
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[20:34] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] HAB Radio Receiver"
[20:36] Action: jcoxon is reply into mailing list emails
[20:36] <jcoxon> replying*
[20:36] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Would like to get involved?"
[20:36] <jonsowman> :)
[20:47] <jcoxon> and another:
[20:47] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Insurance"
[20:53] <fsphil> I wonder if there'll ever be a company who'd insure this stuff for non-mental moneys
[20:53] <jcoxon> nah
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> "Dear Richard,
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> You've managed to highlight one of the big barriers in balloon
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> projects - the radio receiver."
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> YES!
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon what catastrophe does Dave in the insurance thread mean?
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> just that the payload was dragged on launch and now his uni is angry?
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> The uni said shortly afetrr the broken launchthat insurance would not cover, andnot to go ahead.
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> the uni's insurance?
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> and now no more flying?
[21:10] <NigeyS> best not to speculate, and ask hibby when he's around :)
[21:11] <fsphil> okie quick soldering question .. I've never been able to solder wire to those DC or headphone plugs, the solder never seems to stick to it. any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Everything!!!!!!!!!1
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> To expand.
[21:12] <fsphil> indeed
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Seperateoutthewirebundles.
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Argh - keyboard.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Now, take a lighter, and run the flame over the ends.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> This burns off the insulation - now take a kitchen scouring pad, wet it, and pull it along the wire.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> This should give nice shiny wire.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Then twist and solder.
[21:14] <fsphil> wire is shiny, twisted and tinned
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can melt it withthe soldering iron, burt I'ver never had success withthis.
[21:14] <fsphil> I just used a wire stripper
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I was assuming you were meaning fine headphone wire which is enamelled copper wire
[21:15] <fsphil> nah, it's fairly plain normal wire.
[21:15] <fsphil> solders sticking to that nicely
[21:15] <fsphil> but not the plug
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean?
[21:16] <fsphil> I'd take a pic but I just threw it in the bin... hmm
[21:16] <russss> two words: Flux. Pen.
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> Flux is good, yeah
[21:17] <russss> the problem with 3.5mm plugs is that they have a pretty big surface area, so they radiate heat away quite well
[21:17] <fsphil> I'm afraid my flux pen has fell victim to my chaos organisational method
[21:17] <fsphil> oh n/m, it's behind the keyboard
[21:17] <NigeyS> lol!
[21:18] <fsphil> :p
[21:18] <NigeyS> im always amazed what i find under my keyboard when i tidy up
[21:18] <NigeyS> jcoxon do you have 1 of these 36" balloons to hand ?
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[21:20] <SpeedEvil> Are you trying to solder to the 'wire' end of the plug?
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> Hot iron has always worked well for me for that. Clamp the plug in something.
[21:22] <jcoxon> NigeyS, i don't
[21:22] <NigeyS> oki no worries, just wondering what the balloons actually weigh
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[21:24] <fsphil> I love flux. I may have to marry it
[21:25] <NigeyS> lol
[21:28] <NigeyS> im sure this lipo charger is meant to go green when theyre charged and not just turn the red led off :|
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[21:29] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, http://i.imgur.com/jTSaE.jpg
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[21:30] <SpeedEvil> Flux is goood!
[21:30] <NigeyS> hey Ed
[21:30] <fsphil> tis
[21:31] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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[21:31] <W0OTM> Hello World
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[21:32] <NigeyS> hello W0OTM
[21:32] <W0OTM> Hi NigeyS
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi W0OTM
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[21:59] <Shuffty> Evening all
[22:00] <NigeyS> hey Shuffty
[22:00] <Shuffty> Hey nigeys. Did you sort the altitude issue for SMS?
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[22:00] <NigeyS> not yet, been lazy today lol
[22:01] <Shuffty> Same here :-)
[22:01] <Shuffty> This is the first time I've been online today.
[22:04] <NigeyS> :o shocking lol
[22:06] <Shuffty> Well,
[22:06] <Shuffty> Oops
[22:06] <Shuffty> I was going to say
[22:06] <Shuffty> Well, I think I'll call it a night. :-)
[22:06] <Shuffty> Gnight all
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 Shuffty
[22:07] <NigeyS> nn Shuffty
[22:07] <Shuffty> Gigot lunar :-)
[22:07] <Shuffty> Gnight nigeys
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[22:09] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[22:10] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Nigel
[22:12] <NigeyS> how's things at lvl1 today sir ?
[22:12] <Dan-K2VOL> oh slow, still trying to figure out how I really want this sat modem message queue to work
[22:13] <Dan-K2VOL> it sort of works, but not quite the way I'd want, and at this point it's a decision of how can I do this simply instead of with a massive amount of code
[22:13] <NigeyS> yikes, i bet you have knightmares about that thing by now
[22:13] <Dan-K2VOL> I do
[22:13] <NigeyS> :( wish i could help dude, but my coding skills are dire
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[22:35] <NigeyS> w00t found some spare stripboard .. i can start building Picochu-1 !
[22:36] <fsphil> mmm solder
[22:38] <NigeyS> might setup the mobile to ustream it haha
[22:38] <Dan-K2VOL> good!
[22:38] <NigeyS> u can watch all my cockups live
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[22:38] <imrcly> yeah
[22:38] <NigeyS> actually that sounds bad .. lets go with screw ups :|
[22:39] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[22:39] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[22:39] <NigeyS> lmao
[22:39] <Dan-K2VOL> considering it announced it to the hackerspace here
[22:39] <fsphil> there's enough of that on the net already NigeyS :p
[22:39] <NigeyS> omg
[22:42] Action: fsphil is listening to the aprs frequency ... not much going on
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[22:49] <NigeyS> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nigeyuk
[22:49] <NigeyS> it appears to be stuck :|
[22:53] <fsphil> off air
[22:53] <NigeyS> hm
[22:55] <natrium42> the knigts who say NigeyS
[22:55] <fsphil> video
[22:56] <fsphil> sorta
[22:56] <NigeyS> hm
[22:56] <NigeyS> dont think the app runs to good on android
[22:57] <natrium42> hi NigeyS and fsphil
[22:57] <fsphil> almost-morning natrium42 :)
[22:57] <natrium42> fsphil: did you play more with the spot stuff?
[22:57] <natrium42> haha
[22:57] <NigeyS> hey natrium42
[22:57] <fsphil> not so far, was out camping over the weekend.
[23:02] Action: natrium42 brings out the whip
[23:02] <fsphil> uh-oh!
[23:02] Action: natrium42 hopes fsphil doesn't like it
[23:04] <fsphil> Well I prefer a yagi :p
[23:12] <NigeyS> hm 10uf or 100 uf on the vreg input
[23:14] <fsphil> not sure it matters for batteries
[23:14] <NigeyS> kk
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[23:19] <fsphil> night all
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[23:36] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: @paulstella ya everything's falling in place & it's half the weight I thought. Def gonna put Ritchie the tiger into near-space #rit. #arhab [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/59762146329886720]
[23:39] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: #hamradio #arhab If you're in the #roc area come to the Imagine RIT: Innovation & Creativity Festival on May 7th... http://fb.me/U7UY2K4b [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/59762946238197760]
[23:43] <griffonbot> @ROCify: RT @CollegeARC #hamradio #arhab If you're in the #roc area come to the Imagine RIT: Innovation & Creativity Fest... http://bit.ly/hqwq1i [http://twitter.com/ROCify/status/59764058454368257]
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