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[00:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi juxta and wb fsphil
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[00:58] <zuph> How are you this evening, Lunar_Lander?
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> I'm ok, thanks, and you?
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[01:01] <zuph> Oh, starting the arduous task of moving all my crap
[01:01] <zuph> Cleaning out over a decade of accumulated CDs and DVDs now.
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> that is a big task
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[01:03] <zuph> Yes indeed
[01:05] <zuph> Moving sucks. I do not suggest it.
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[01:51] <Lunar_Lander2> good night :)
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[02:18] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: @ai4ri Yes, K2GXT (RIT club) just bought a PX-777 for our #arhab, it seems pretty darn good for $75-$85. purchased from www.ArgentData.com [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/59078258792210432]
[02:37] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: And still we work. Adding @ORBCOMM globalgrams to commctrlr reprtoire, too stormy to do antenna trials that we really need& #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/59082948896493568]
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[06:57] <Upu> morning all
[06:57] <Dan-K2VOL> mornin
[06:58] <Upu> very early morning for you ?
[07:10] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh late night
[07:12] <x-f> good morning, Upu, Dan, et al
[07:12] <x-f> Upu, if i may ask, where did you get the spacenear.us/tracker's source code you're using on AVA site?
[07:14] <x-f> i'm strugling to write my own tracker, if i could use an existing code, but the version provided on UKHAS wiki is 0.2 - a very old one
[07:33] <NigelMoby> Morninnnnnng
[07:34] <NigelMoby> X-f the spacenear tracker is embedable
[07:37] <x-f> NigelMoby, i know that, but we won't be using radio on our flight
[07:38] <NigelMoby> Ahh got ya
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[07:55] <fsphil> won't be using radio?
[07:59] <NigelMoby> It's phiiiiiil!!
[08:00] Action: NigelMoby waiting for slow ass royal snail
[08:02] <fsphil> haha
[08:03] <fsphil> parcels normally arrive here at about 10ish
[08:03] <NigelMoby> Depends here, anywhere between 7 and 11 :/
[08:04] <NigelMoby> Normal post came, got the sma connectors, no sign of the stripboard and atmega from Laurence though :/
[08:12] <fsphil> hmm.. early prediction for next saturday is good. just need to herd up some peoples :)
[08:14] <NigelMoby> Bribery works
[08:16] <NigelMoby> Hm this really annoys me, 4.95 shipping .... the frank on the envelope ... 0.96 ... :@
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[08:17] <NigelMoby> Robbing b*stards I say!
[08:24] <Upu> moring x-f
[08:24] <Upu> x-f http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:tracker?s[]=tracker
[08:25] <fsphil> ebay? yea get that a lot
[08:25] <Upu> damn ladders aren't long enough to reach my antenna point
[08:27] <x-f> Upu, yes, i know about that version, but it's an old one
[08:28] <Upu> checking
[08:29] <Upu> it'll be on github
[08:30] <Upu> https://github.com/ukhas
[08:35] <x-f> Upu, ok, thanks, i'll try that
[08:36] <NigelMoby> Phil for once it wasn't eBay ... sequoia
[08:38] <NigelMoby> Upu how high is ure antenna?
[08:38] <Upu> higher than my ladders :)
[08:38] <Upu> just a detached house but its at the apex of the roof
[08:38] <Upu> I'm removing an old TV aerial and putting up a colinear
[08:39] <NigelMoby> Lol .. ouch, know the local window cleaner?
[08:39] <Upu> I fixed the alarm but thats about 6 feet under the apex
[08:39] <Upu> just called a local aerial installers they quoted £60 for someone else to fall off the ladder for me
[08:39] <NigelMoby> Ahhh same as here
[08:39] <NigelMoby> Lol
[08:39] <Upu> sounds fair
[08:40] <NigelMoby> I just weighed the antenna..
[08:40] <NigelMoby> 97grams
[08:41] <Upu> yeah
[08:42] <NigelMoby> Don't think its going to win any weight awards
[08:44] <Upu> no I blew my weight with the video camera
[08:44] <Upu> anyway there is always Ava2
[08:46] <NigelMoby> Oh aye the vc on a stick!
[08:46] <NigelMoby> What size balloon you using?
[08:51] <fsphil> hmm.. it appears someone has stolen the sun!
[08:52] <NigelMoby> :o
[08:52] <NigelMoby> Have u reported it missing?
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[09:20] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[09:24] <griffonbot> @W0BG: RT @w0otm: #hamradio #arhab iHAB-4 Payload Photos are posted - http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-4 [http://twitter.com/W0BG/status/59185422328266752]
[09:24] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[09:24] <NigelMoby> Hey James, natrium
[09:26] <NigelMoby> James, have you used 1 of these rf link radio modules?
[09:27] <jcoxon> no properly
[09:28] <NigelMoby> Hmm Oki, just debating how much power to give it, its specced 2 - 12 v
[09:29] <jcoxon> i suspect radio output depends on power input
[09:29] <NigelMoby> Yup, was thinking a 9v batt
[09:30] <jcoxon> those modules aren't brilliant iirc
[09:30] <NigelMoby> Def not as good as a Ntx2
[09:30] <jcoxon> you planning just to do cw?
[09:31] <NigelMoby> Yeah this'll have its own power and avr for it.
[09:34] <NigelMoby> Also built a shelf in the payload box to keep away from the main avr just in case ... only a few inches higher up but think its worth it.
[09:35] <jcoxon> oooo post man
[09:35] <jcoxon> got my hell beacon back
[09:35] <jcoxon> and also my new radio antenna
[09:36] <SpeedEvil> You mean someone found it?
[09:36] <jcoxon> oh the beacon was on GAGA-1 so was recovered with the main payload
[09:37] <SpeedEvil> ah - right.
[09:37] <natrium42> gnite all
[09:37] <SpeedEvil> Night.
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> I feel like going to bed too.
[09:38] <NigelMoby> Nn natrium
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> But it's just gone 10AM
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[09:38] <NigelMoby> Up all night speedy?
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> Well - technically - 'going to bed' would involve shutting eyes, and putting down computer - but...
[09:38] <SpeedEvil> NigelMoby: no
[09:39] <fsphil> all intact jcoxon?
[09:40] <jcoxon> i opened my other parcel first
[09:40] <fsphil> lol
[09:40] <jcoxon> http://www.hamradio.co.uk/acatalog/Wonder_Antennas.html
[09:41] <jcoxon> any yes the beacon is all intact
[09:41] <fsphil> oooh shiny
[09:44] <jcoxon> going to rig it up today
[09:44] <jcoxon> well not really rig it up
[09:44] <jcoxon> just try it out
[09:45] <fsphil> having had really mixed HF experiences I'd be interested in hearing how well it works
[09:45] <jcoxon> i got it as i was planning to be up a hill :-p
[09:46] <fsphil> *ahem*
[09:46] <fsphil> yar
[09:48] <fsphil> I will be trying again next weekend - but I won't announce anything until I've got the other guys to sign in blood :)
[09:48] <jcoxon> haha
[09:48] <jcoxon> i'm on nights next weekend :-(
[09:48] <fsphil> ack
[09:48] <fsphil> though easter holidays, doesn't have to be the weekend
[09:50] <fsphil> I've emailed the local radio club, see if they're interested in going to the launch
[09:50] <fsphil> or even doing some tracking
[09:50] <jcoxon> yeah if you could get one other ham to track from a proper ground station it would be a lot esier
[09:50] <fsphil> indeed
[09:51] <NigelMoby> Fsphil, its arrived
[09:51] <fsphil> there's a club in Omagh too, which is only a few miles from the launch site. I'll email them too
[09:51] <fsphil> excellent!
[09:51] <fsphil> right on time too
[09:52] <NigelMoby> Yup, good packing too!
[09:53] <fsphil> lol yea, I ran it through our despatch department
[09:54] <NigelMoby> Haha awesome
[09:54] <fsphil> they're like "what's this? a cb?"
[09:55] <NigelMoby> Lol
[09:58] <fsphil> doggie walk time
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[10:11] <Shuffty> Beautiful weather fsphil.. perfect day for a launch? :-)
[10:11] <Shuffty> Morning all btw
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[10:18] <Shuffty> Who is it I speak to about getting my project setup on spacenear.us?
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> You mean on the tracker?
[10:20] <Shuffty> yes
[10:21] <Shuffty> sorry - sun is out and I keep going into the garden :-)
[10:25] <fsphil> Shuffty, I wish I was launching
[10:26] <fsphil> nice day here too
[10:26] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:26] <Shuffty> Ah well - enjoy the sunshine..
[10:26] <Shuffty> Hey, why would my freq be drifting?
[10:27] <Shuffty> Seems that when it's sat in the same place, I have to keep adjusting slightly to get a better signal
[10:27] <fsphil> the ntx2 is very sensitive to temperature changes
[10:27] <fsphil> causes the frequency to drift
[10:27] <Shuffty> Ah
[10:27] <fsphil> I bet if you put it somewhere in the sun it'll slide pretty quickly
[10:27] <Shuffty> So it's sat on top of my garage where it's not exactly warm
[10:27] <Shuffty> So it's to be expected.
[10:27] <fsphil> if the temperature is stable it will eventually settle
[10:28] <Shuffty> Also having trouble recieving it on USB
[10:28] <Shuffty> Get it lound and clear on LSB though
[10:28] <fsphil> ahh you just need to retune the radio
[10:28] <fsphil> USB and LSB receive on opposite sides of the dial frequency
[10:29] <Shuffty> As it by magic, your words seem to have fixed my issue :-)
[10:31] <Shuffty> 6 healthy sat lock too - best I've had!
[10:33] <fsphil> not bad
[10:33] <Upu> whats the correct way to put a call out for someone via a repeater to see if they are listening ?
[10:33] <Shuffty> Is this part of the test again.... I've failed multiple times!
[10:33] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:33] <fsphil> I've heard people saying .. "2I0VIM listening" .. and then waiting for a response
[10:33] <fsphil> only with your own callsign..
[10:34] <Upu> :)
[10:34] <Upu> No I mean want to see if M0PGE is listening
[10:34] <fsphil> ah a specific person
[10:34] <Upu> yeah
[10:34] <Upu> I mean do I just say M6UPU putting a call out for M0PGE ?
[10:35] <Upu> I've done one radio conversation for my foundation :)
[10:35] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:36] <fsphil> lol - I've done two, including the foundation one
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[10:38] <fsphil> "the correct way to do that would be to say "KC2BLN, this is WA2PFS" not the other way around"
[10:39] <fsphil> or I suppose "M0PGE from M6UPU" would work too
[10:40] <Shuffty> What frea are you broadcasting on upu?
[10:40] <Shuffty> *freq
[10:40] <Upu> five towns repeater
[10:40] <Upu> 2m
[10:40] <Shuffty> Ah
[10:40] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:40] <Upu> 145.7875
[10:40] <Upu> except I'm not
[10:40] <fsphil> I don't know anyone on our repeater, and they usually just talk nonsense :)
[10:40] <Upu> because I have no idea what to say and I'll just some dude in a shed talking crap
[10:40] <fsphil> lol
[10:41] <Upu> just get
[10:41] <fsphil> what Upu said basically
[10:41] <Upu> lol
[10:41] <fsphil> I called on the main 2m call frequency once, and ended up talking to someone for an hour about bike races
[10:42] <fsphil> my second and so far last conversation on the radio
[10:42] <fsphil> I prefer to stick to the image and digital modes now
[10:43] <fsphil> Although, I suppose there's the contacts during the 2m contests.
[10:43] <fsphil> brief as they are, still contacts
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[10:44] <Shuffty> $$$$XXXX,139,10:43:29,53.40751,-2.22028,41,0,0,7*9DE2 <----7 sats! I think I'm on for a record off this thing! :-)
[10:44] <fsphil> lol
[10:45] <fsphil> it should get 8 or more during the flight
[10:45] <Shuffty> be honest now - who just copied and pasted my long/lat into google maps? :-)
[10:46] <fsphil> nope, but now that you've said that ....
[10:46] <Shuffty> lol... it'd just me thats nosey then..
[10:46] <Shuffty> *it's
[10:47] <fsphil> nice trees
[10:47] <fsphil> We used to have loads here, but they took most of them away. meh
[10:47] <Shuffty> Council saving on pavment repairs?
[10:48] <Shuffty> I know I've asked this several times already, but who do I speak to re the tracker?
[10:49] <NigeyS> nah phil was getting no sun cause off the tree shade so he chopped them all down ;)
[10:49] <Shuffty> Hey Nigeys
[10:49] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:49] <NigeyS> boo
[10:49] <NigeyS> phil, your radio looks .. different somehow
[10:49] <NigeyS> the internals .. i think mines been hackered somehow
[10:50] <fsphil> eek
[10:50] <fsphil> Shuffty, depends which part of the tracker.
[10:50] <NigeyS> now then who's near bath ? ..
[10:50] <fsphil> afaik that radio hasn't been modified at all, but I don't have an eye for that kind of thing
[10:51] <NigeyS> it just looks .. neater inside
[10:51] <fsphil> hmmm time to get some repeater action
[10:52] <NigeyS> aye, wheres matt when i need him, im not climbing up that dam pole again unless he's gonna jump on the bath repeater
[10:52] <fsphil> lol
[10:52] <NigeyS> its windy today, good chance of breaking a leg!
[10:52] <fsphil> I take it that's an echolink repeater?
[10:52] <NigeyS> think so yup
[10:53] <NigeyS> http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3ub.htm
[10:53] <Shuffty> fsphil - I didnt realise there were multiple parts to the tracker..
[10:53] <fsphil> this is where launching a balloon this weekend would have been handy, you'd be able to try it on that
[10:54] <fsphil> Shuffty, there's the XML payload bit (the bit that tells the tracker the format of your string, and so it appears on the payload list in dl-fldigi)
[10:54] <fsphil> for that either jcoxon or jonsowman, possibly others too I'm not sure
[10:54] <NigeyS> exatly phil .. best i can do it tether the ntx2 to my washing line .. lmao
[10:55] <fsphil> oor NigeyS, take both rigs to a distant point you can still get the signal -- see if there's a difference between the two
[10:55] <fsphil> Shuffty, and the tracker itself is managed my natrium42
[10:55] <NigeyS> thats the plan for tomorrow
[10:57] <Shuffty> Thanks fsphil... so jcoxon or jonsowman are the chaps who I need to ask..
[10:58] <NigeyS> http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/maps/gb3fi-hi.jpg .. looks promising
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[11:02] <MNSP> hello all :)
[11:02] <NigeyS> ello MNSP
[11:03] <MNSP> hows that code of yours going?
[11:05] <NigeyS> almost finished :D
[11:06] <MNSP> good man :)
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[11:07] <Guest65345> hey guys i was just wondering, when using a GPS module, are parallax modules good?
[11:07] <Darkside> when in doubt, use something with a uBlox chipset
[11:08] <MNSP> am assuming you read the ukhas site guide?
[11:08] <NigeyS> its a sirfstar 3 chipset
[11:08] <NigeyS> afaik theyre altitude limited ?
[11:08] <jonsowman> hi Shuffty :)
[11:08] <Darkside> yeah i think so
[11:08] <Darkside> <60000 ft
[11:08] <Darkside> which is crap for HAB
[11:08] <NigeyS> ouch
[11:09] <NigeyS> Guest65345, take darkside's advice, if you want to use it for a high altitude ballon look for aublox 5 chipset, or a lassen iq ..
[11:10] <MNSP> something like a gpsbee :)
[11:12] <Shuffty> hi jonsowman
[11:12] <Shuffty> Sorry about that - heating engineer just turned up
[11:12] <Shuffty> :-)
[11:12] <jonsowman> no worries... what can I help with?
[11:13] <Shuffty> How do I go about getting my payload onto the tracker?
[11:13] <jonsowman> I'll need to do an xml for you
[11:14] <Shuffty> What information do you need for me?
[11:14] <jonsowman> i need a couple of example telem strings, field descriptions, nominal frequency, baud rate, shift, stop bits, bits per char
[11:14] <MNSP> theres a few on there at the moment
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[12:04] <Upu> someone launch a balloon I'm bored
[12:04] <jcoxon> if i had a balloon i would
[12:04] <Upu> got 2 here
[12:04] <Upu> want one ?
[12:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[12:04] <jcoxon> not sure i've got time to launch now
[12:04] <Upu> waiting on parachute
[12:04] <jcoxon> :-)
[12:05] <Upu> fair enough :)
[12:05] <Upu> I'll go find something to do
[12:10] <jcoxon> Upu, perhaps we should have a ukhas weekend project
[12:23] <eroomde> yo all
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[12:26] <eroomde> Upu: yo
[12:29] <Upu> afternoon :)
[12:29] <Upu> yeah only bored because everything I planned today hasn't worked out, my ladder isn't long enough to reach the roof, dog does't seem to want to go for a walk
[12:29] <Upu> etc
[12:30] <eroomde> here's a video for you then
[12:30] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzEcSO6oDcY
[12:32] <Upu> hey thats nice
[12:32] <eroomde> i think that was from feb last year
[12:32] <eroomde> i forget
[12:33] <Upu> what did you use for the cut away ?
[12:33] <eroomde> but i'm trying to liberate the mess of media lying around my hdd
[12:33] <eroomde> one of our pyros
[12:33] <Upu> you run a wire up to the the top of the parachute ?
[12:35] <eroomde> the parachute was packed into the back of the payload
[12:35] <eroomde> so that was only about a 20cm run
[12:35] <Upu> ah
[12:36] <eroomde> the chaos is when it gets snatched (breaks the 5n retaining chord) out of its dpeloyment bag
[12:36] <Upu> yeah had some ideas about deploying a parachute
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[12:37] <Upu> anyway ordered some with attachments at the top now
[12:37] <eroomde> yes that flight was atypical
[12:37] <eroomde> we were testing other things
[12:37] <eroomde> usually we go pre-deployed
[12:37] <Upu> right best go do something back soon
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[12:58] <NigeyS> eroomde, if i add a few more bits to that image and some mylar foil, can you guess what i'm thinking? http://twitpic.com/4ljn1i
[13:11] <eroomde> remote cutdown or balloon-neck computer?
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[13:19] <jcoxon> back
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[13:26] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[13:34] <NigeyS> eroomde, a very tiny payload wondering if can get helium by tomorrow
[13:35] <NigeyS> wb james
[13:35] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
[13:35] <NigeyS> james, im on top of a hill by pontypridd tomorrow, if i can get some helium i may send some foil balloons up with a minimal payload
[13:35] <jcoxon> oh awesome
[13:36] <jcoxon> what sort of mass?
[13:36] <NigeyS> fingers crossed! tiny .. less than 85gms
[13:36] <NigeyS> http://twitpic.com/4ljn1i
[13:36] <jcoxon> impressive
[13:37] <jcoxon> eek its still in bits!
[13:37] <NigeyS> add a few grams on for the mylar, and a few cables
[13:37] <NigeyS> ach itll take 5 mins to whip that lot together
[13:37] <NigeyS> codes done, can just trim the ats code
[13:38] <jcoxon> what format are you going to use on the radio?
[13:39] <NigeyS> not sure, going to use that rf-link xmitter either way .. not sending a ntx2 on a 1 way trip lol !
[13:40] <jcoxon> hehe
[13:40] <jcoxon> you'll have to go down the CW/Hell route i think
[13:40] <NigeyS> i think so
[13:40] <jcoxon> shout if you need any help
[13:41] <jcoxon> you better source those balloons/helium
[13:42] <NigeyS> got 3 large mylar balloons, dads gone to see if he can get some He from his m8 at BOC
[13:43] <jcoxon> large as in 37"?
[13:43] <NigeyS> 36" ?
[13:43] <jcoxon> cool
[13:44] <jcoxon> make sure you document it and put it in our ukhas micro section
[13:44] <NigeyS> definately, and the toilet roll tube is very important btw! lol
[13:44] <jcoxon> haha
[13:45] <jcoxon> you could deadbug it and save mass
[13:45] <NigeyS> true, i could do a bill, and just wrap it all in a think layer of bubblewrap!
[13:46] <eroomde> jcoxon: I think you might have seen this already
[13:47] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzEcSO6oDcY
[13:47] <eroomde> but if you haven't, there it is
[13:48] <jcoxon> i saw it in raw non-youtube form
[13:48] <jcoxon> so cool
[13:48] <eroomde> yes, i only just put it up
[13:48] <eroomde> there's a fair bit of stuff on my hdd that i can put up now
[13:48] <jcoxon> i love the way the balloon continues on
[13:49] <eroomde> better online than in an ailing macbook
[13:49] <jcoxon> hooray, silence is lifted?
[13:49] <eroomde> mostly yes!
[13:49] <jcoxon> the gpsl guys would love this video
[13:49] <NigeyS> is that a second shoot above the main chute ?
[13:49] <eroomde> yes
[13:49] <NigeyS> ooo
[13:50] <eroomde> this flight was to test our uplink and the snatch load of the parachute dpeloyment bag
[13:50] <eroomde> so what you see is initiated by uplink
[13:50] <NigeyS> impressive, it looks remarkably stable to
[13:50] <eroomde> if that didn't work it had a pre-deployed chute like normal that would inflate after balloon burst
[13:50] <eroomde> well, it actually gets super stable - what you are seeing is only about 2 seconds long
[13:50] <NigeyS> wow
[13:51] <jcoxon> hehe i'm watching the nova18/peg 6 recovery video
[13:51] <eroomde> jcoxon: you can fwd it to the gpsl guys iuw
[13:51] <jcoxon> we should launch that again sometime
[13:51] <eroomde> ah yes, i remember that
[13:51] <jcoxon> was a nice flight
[13:51] <eroomde> that was a fun flight
[13:51] <eroomde> enjoyed that one
[13:51] <russss> that's a great video
[13:51] <jcoxon> peg 6 is ready to roll
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[13:52] <eroomde> we'll do another ukhas launch then soon
[13:52] <jcoxon> eroomde, i'm coming up to 2 weeks leave
[13:52] <eroomde> take 4 or 5 payloads up on a single balloon
[13:52] <eroomde> i'm coming up to two weeks holiday abraod
[13:52] <eroomde> when is your leave?
[13:52] <jcoxon> i bet they clash :-p
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[13:52] <jcoxon> 14 days starting 7th may
[13:53] <eroomde> ah ok
[13:53] <eroomde> i'm around then
[13:53] <eroomde> we have a paper describing all this work too
[13:53] <jcoxon> alexei is around 14/15 may
[13:53] <eroomde> it's going to the AIAA aerodynamic decelerators conference
[13:54] <eroomde> but will post it online
[13:54] <jcoxon> if weather is good shall we launch atlas with SPoT
[13:54] <Laurenceb> nice, well done
[13:54] <NigeyS> hey laurenceb
[13:54] Action: Laurenceb might be publishing a paper in sports engineering
[13:54] <Laurenceb> dont laugh
[13:54] <NigeyS> those parts havent turned up yet, bloody snail mail! :@
[13:55] <Laurenceb> oh sorry, only posted this moring, been busy
[13:55] <Laurenceb> *morning
[13:55] <eroomde> jcoxon: yes lets launch her
[13:55] <NigeyS> ahh that be why lol no probs, i was all ready to go nuts at royal fail again!
[13:55] <jcoxon> eroomde, i was thinking - perhaps launch an up/down earlier in the week to test it works
[13:55] <jcoxon> if recovered then go for a floater
[13:55] <jcoxon> on that weekend (weather dependent)
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[13:56] <Laurenceb> NigeyS: yeah it ended up a bit large, i had to take it to post office to check the thickness
[13:56] <eroomde> sounds like a good idea to me
[13:56] <Laurenceb> and weight
[13:56] Action: jcoxon is going to setup his new HF antenna and see if it works
[13:56] <NigeyS> ahh thats ok no worries, if it cost a bit extra let me know and i can make up the difference
[13:57] <NigeyS> jcoxon, err.. just a thought, 3 x 36" .. un-notamed is ok ?
[13:57] <Laurenceb> nah you're ok
[13:57] <NigeyS> laurenceb cheers dude :D
[14:00] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yeah its okay
[14:00] <jcoxon> as long as its not more then 2m in any direction
[14:00] <jcoxon> so have a short line between the payload and balloons
[14:00] <NigeyS> ah that'll be fine then
[14:00] <jcoxon> picoatlas II was 4x36"
[14:01] <jcoxon> remember they need to be half full
[14:01] <NigeyS> ok, so vert aswell as horizontal .. will make sure its under the limit
[14:01] <NigeyS> yup, i'll be totally unscientific and use my eyes to judge half full lol
[14:02] <jcoxon> well the argument is still going on
[14:02] <jcoxon> steve wrote a spreadsheet calc
[14:02] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:splat
[14:02] <NigeyS> yeah steve was on about it not so long ago
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[14:05] <NigeyS> tnx, will grab excel and have a play with that, the sheet i have here claims 66g per balloon
[14:16] <zuph> Morning.
[14:17] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: Lets see if we can knock out some of this #arhab project. #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/59259008317521920]
[14:17] <NigeyS> morning zuph
[14:18] <zuph> How's the payload coming, NigeyS? Saw the pink box and antenna pic.
[14:19] <NigeyS> oh pretty good, ive finished the second antenna, done the shelf, just waiting for the stripboard now so i can get things soldered up :D
[14:20] <NigeyS> code is kinda finished, need to figure out the sms conditions, i have a feeling it might Q up unsent messages when it loses signal, so need a cutoff point
[14:21] <griffonbot> @Hamradio_Ticker: RT @CollegeARC: Lets see if we can knock out some of this #arhab project. #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/Hamradio_Ticker/status/59260041869529088]
[14:21] <zuph> Yeah, that would be a shame
[14:22] <NigeyS> dread to think the effect 50 or so sms messages stuck in RAM would have on the avr
[14:24] <zuph> Oh, we're wrangling with similar problems.
[14:25] <NigeyS> comm controller ?
[14:25] <zuph> yep
[14:26] <NigeyS> yikes, proving to be a bit of a bugger isnt it
[14:27] <zuph> It is, though quite a bit of it is due to Dan not being a coder, and no one else stepping up to the plate.
[14:28] <NigeyS> ach thats bound to have an effect :( id have been stuck without the guys in here, coding isnt a strong point of mine :/
[14:29] <zuph> It will be after this :-P
[14:31] <NigeyS> hehe oh aye
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[14:37] <griffonbot> @KB1LQC: Working on the #arhab project at #RIT. Just linked this acct w/ Tweetdeck for Chrome, hopefully use it more. @CollegeARC twitter is my main [http://twitter.com/KB1LQC/status/59264118011609088]
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[15:06] <Laurenceb> hmm im confused
[15:06] <Laurenceb> i have ubuntu running off a live cd
[15:06] <Laurenceb> i want to dd from an external hard drive to the hard drive
[15:07] <Laurenceb> but i cant mount the external drive
[15:08] <Laurenceb> presumably as im running from a live cd...?
[15:09] <NigeyS> if the drives larger than the ramdrive the live cd creates it won't mount it
[15:10] <Laurenceb> hmm it seems to be working on.. odd
[15:10] <Laurenceb> *now
[15:11] <NigeyS> hmm ok that is weird, ive never got it to work here, assumed it was cause of the ramdrive :|
[15:15] <zuph> Live CD Ubuntu should do everything non-live ubuntu does. Just slower, and space limited.
[15:16] <Laurenceb> arg
[15:16] <Laurenceb> the image i want to copy is too large
[15:16] <Laurenceb> any chance it might work if i only copy the bottom?
[15:16] <Laurenceb> as the copied drive was mostly empty
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[15:17] <zuph> No promises, data *can* end up scattered all over the disk.
[15:18] <zuph> You're better off mounting the file system and copying at that level
[15:18] <m1x10> Hi, from army!
[15:18] <m1x10> Got license to bring laptop !
[15:19] <Laurenceb> unfortunately the origional filesystem is no more
[15:20] <Laurenceb> is there a way to set a limit to the amount of data transferred with dd?
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> In some - probably fgew - cases you can compressthe imagetemporarily
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> you can spevidy the start and end blocks
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> and count
[15:22] <Laurenceb> how do i set the blocks?
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Look at the skip, seek, count args
[15:29] <Laurenceb> bs=64K is that 64*1024 bytes?
[15:30] <Laurenceb> sudo dd if=/media/Buffalo-ext4/Win7/Windows7_OS.img of=/dev/sda2 bs=64K count=835756 conv=noerror,sync
[15:31] <Laurenceb> ^does that look sane? i want to copy the bottom of the file - its a few GB too large but its just a copy of an entire HDD - fresh from manufacturer
[15:37] Action: Laurenceb suspects this is going to fail epically
[15:41] <NigeyS> lol cross those fingers
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[16:10] <jcoxon> anyone got an HF ant up?
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[16:11] <Laurenceb> is anything in flight?
[16:11] <jcoxon> no
[16:11] <NigeyS> i thinl upu was putting a new ant up, not sure what 1
[16:11] <NigeyS> think*
[16:12] <Upu> no ladder weren't long enough in the end
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[16:14] <NigeyS> bah, you just need some stilts upu! lol
[16:14] <Upu> :)
[16:14] <jcoxon> i'm trying out my new HF antenna
[16:14] <jcoxon> but its hard to test
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[16:29] <LazyLeopard> re jcoxon. What sort of HF antenna?
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[16:31] <jcoxon> oh its a portable whipstyle antenna
[16:31] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Right.
[16:33] <jcoxon> i've given up for now
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[17:05] <LazyLeopard> No HF contacts today. Mind, I was chasing on 40 metres, and it's been playing games since yesterday afternoon, so not much of a surprise.
[17:05] <jcoxon> i don't have the patience for it
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[17:08] <LazyLeopard> Not a fan of pile-ups, myself. Yesterday I was listening to one, and over about a second or two all the callers except the nearest one or two faded to nothing. Silence reigned for quite a while...
[17:16] <fsphil|m> yeesh, O2 mobile won't let me go onto most websites without age verification
[17:17] <fsphil|m> "We need to check your age. This is to protect children from websites for over 18s."
[17:24] <NigeyS> lol phil
[17:25] Action: fsphil|m shields his poor innocent eyes from the nasty intertubes
[17:27] <fsphil|m> I'm sitting in a field next to a lake .. figured I'd get out and about if I wasn't launching
[17:27] <fsphil|m> naturally I brought my laptop ;)
[17:27] <LazyLeopard> Heh
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: i suppose you';ve seenthe ps3move hackage?
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[17:37] <griffonbot> Received email: pugwash "[UKHAS] Would like to get involved?"
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[17:38] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[17:38] <W0OTM> Hello World
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[17:40] <MI6VIM> World says Hi
[17:41] Nick change: MI6VIM -> fsphil|m
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[17:55] <LazyLeopard> Hiya mattltm
[17:57] <mattltm> Hi :)
[17:57] <mattltm> Nice to meet you today :)
[17:58] <LazyLeopard> Hope you passed. :)
[18:00] <mattltm> Yup. Everyone passed :)
[18:00] <mattltm> Thanks.
[18:00] <Upu> what did you pass ?
[18:00] <LazyLeopard> Even the youngster? Good.
[18:00] <mattltm> Ham Intermidiate Exam
[18:00] <Upu> yay
[18:00] <LazyLeopard> Intermediate exam at Bromley today.
[18:00] <Upu> 2W0 ?
[18:01] <LazyLeopard> 2E0 ;)
[18:01] <mattltm> 2E0 for me.
[18:01] <Upu> cool
[18:01] <LazyLeopard> ...come Wednesday(-ish) I'd guess.
[18:01] <Upu> I'm 2E0UPU :)
[18:02] <mattltm> It's a nice end to a good week. I managed to pick up a 12M SCAM mast yesterday for very cheap :)
[18:03] <Upu> congrats anyway
[18:03] <mattltm> Thanks Upu.
[18:03] <mattltm> Advanced next :)
[18:03] <Upu> yeah
[18:04] <mattltm> Did fsphil launch today?
[18:05] <Shuffty> Congrats mattltm
[18:05] <mattltm> Thanks Shuffty :)
[18:05] <Shuffty> I will eventually attempt to do my foundation! :-)
[18:06] <mattltm> I recommend you do Shuffty :)
[18:06] <BalHare> fsphil did not launch
[18:07] <mattltm> BalHare: Problems or just waiting till tomorrow?
[18:07] <BalHare> waiting for weather and better prediction
[18:08] <mattltm> Ah, cool.
[18:08] <BalHare> fsphil was on line from his laptop in a meadow - chilling
[18:08] <BalHare> about 45 mins ago
[18:09] <mattltm> Lol. Soundls like him :)
[18:10] <BalHare> <fsphil|m> I'm sitting in a field next to a lake .. figured I'd get out and about if I wasn't launching
[18:10] <BalHare> true
[18:12] <LazyLeopard> mattltm: Where'd you find a cheap SCAM mast?
[18:14] <LazyLeopard> I've been half wondering whether bolting one to my patio might be the best way of solving the "how to look over the roof without annoying the entire neighbourhood" problem.
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Wind turbines don't need planning permission.
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> Well - 'little' ones.
[18:15] <mattltm> I'll be putting mine up tomorrow afternoon.
[18:16] <mattltm> Should put the antennas about 6M above the roofline when fully up.
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[18:16] <jcoxon_> back
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[18:17] <SpeedEvil> So - So get one of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garden-Solar-Powered-Windmill-Spinner-Patios-Decking-/390302771056?pt=UK_Garden_Lighting&hash=item5adfdba770 - and no problems with planning.
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> (if you stick it to the top)
[18:18] <mattltm> Nice idea SpeedEvil :)
[18:18] <mattltm> Wonder if I can find a 80' tower to put it on :)
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> I think you can only go about 8m up
[18:19] <mattltm> Shame.
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[18:22] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if 'we diddn't mean that' planning permissions can be revoked.
[18:22] <mattltm> lol.
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> For example if you submit your new 6.2Km high home, and someone misses the unit.
[18:22] <jcoxon_> where is a good source of foam?
[18:23] <Matt_soton> we got alot of it from B&Q the other day
[18:24] <Matt_soton> slightly pink though
[18:26] <zuph> Has anyone used the STM32 discovery board on linux?
[18:27] <jcoxon_> Matt_soton, is that spongey foam?
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[18:31] <mattltm> Right. Dinner time :)
[18:31] <mattltm> Byee.
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[18:37] <Matt_soton> jcoxon_: its quite firm
[18:38] <Matt_soton> its really just very firm polystrene
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[18:40] <jcoxon_> yeah i'm looking for soft spongey stuff to go inside the payload around hte various boards
[18:41] <Matt_soton> http://gallery.apex-ii.apexhab.org/index.php/Launch-2/Launch-Preparation/IMG_3232
[18:41] <Matt_soton> probably not that stuff then
[18:41] <Matt_soton> unless u introduce it to a blender
[18:42] <jcoxon_> most things go spongey in a blender :-)
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman ?
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> priyesh ?
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> anybody who is responsible for spacenear.us?
[19:41] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, what do you need done?
[19:42] <jcoxon> regarding spacenear.us
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> could I maybe have the window from last sunday, after GAGA-1 flew?
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> because I still need to write about Artemis and GAGA and now the trajectories are gone
[19:43] <jcoxon> hmm you'll need to speak to rob harrison about getting access to the raw data
[19:43] <jcoxon> spacenear.us doesn't keep its data
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[19:44] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: hi
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:45] <jonsowman> sorry, the data is no longer there. i wiped it after my email to the ukhas list a day or two ago
[19:46] <Matt_soton> i have at least most of the artemis track however
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:46] <jonsowman> i am sure the people responsible for said flights have the data and tracks
[19:47] <jcoxon> rjh keeps all data
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:48] <jonsowman> jcoxon: i specicially cleared the datastore on the server
[19:48] <jonsowman> i can't spell, but nonetheless
[19:48] <jonsowman> view.php gets silly otherwise
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:48] <jcoxon> but in the mysql database
[19:48] <jonsowman> oh right
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> why was Apex shown in yellow and at 14 km?
[19:48] <jonsowman> yes indeed you are correct
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> and "Receiver: Test"
[19:49] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: i've no idea -- Matt_soton ?
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[19:49] <Blackover> Hi!\
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[19:49] <jonsowman> jcoxon: launching anything soon? :)
[19:50] <Blackover> what's new from 12 of april?
[19:50] <jcoxon> jonsowman, in a few weeeks
[19:51] <jcoxon> once i get some leave
[19:51] <jonsowman> excellent :)
[19:51] <NigeyS> :( no He till wednesday james
[19:51] <jcoxon> atlas+SPoT for an up/down flight
[19:51] <jcoxon> and then a long duration flight
[19:51] <jcoxon> NigeyS, "(
[19:51] <NigeyS> unless i want to actually pay for it full price hah!
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[19:52] <jonsowman> sounds good jcoxon -- launching from..?
[19:52] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Springs in hand! Measuring compression distance for static loads of 40lb and 50lb #arhab http://t.co/kkA8fLW http://t.co/OX9vu9O [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/59343412767375360]
[19:52] <NigeyS> worth waiting 3 days and saving £80 i think
[19:53] <jcoxon> jonsowman, cam?
[19:53] <jonsowman> :D
[19:54] <jonsowman> great, looking forward to it!
[19:54] <jcoxon> yeah so a test flight
[19:54] <jcoxon> then we'll go for hte long one
[19:55] <mattltm> Are there any cycle/snowboard/skaters in here?
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS and mattltm
[19:56] <mattltm> Hi Lunar_Lander
[19:56] <Laurenceb> can anyone explain how grub works (the bootloader) ?
[19:56] <Laurenceb> where does it run from?
[19:56] <jonsowman> jcoxon: good plan
[19:57] <mattltm> Laurenceb: It runs from the boot sector of the HD
[19:57] <Laurenceb> im very confused as when i boot my machine im still getting grub even tho i should have wiped the hdd
[19:57] <Laurenceb> so i have a partition flagged as boot and lba
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> "29. Juni 1997 Vier F2-Tornados in Niedersachsen mit bis zu 85 km Spurlänge. Am schwersten betroffen Bissendorf bei Osnabrück." (June 29, 1997: Four F2-Tornadoes in Lower Saxony with a trace lenghth of up to 85 km. Bissendorf near Osnabrueck suffered the most damage)
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> that is just 8 km from here!
[19:58] <Laurenceb> so this means there is grub in that partiton?
[19:58] <jcoxon> Laurenceb grub doesn't sit on the partition
[19:58] <Laurenceb> where does it live?
[19:59] <BrainDamage> master boot record
[19:59] <Laurenceb> oh i see now
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[19:59] <Laurenceb> ok, so how can i remove it?
[19:59] <jcoxon> depends what you are swapping to
[19:59] <BrainDamage> overwrite it with something else
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[19:59] <jcoxon> if you are going back to windows then you could use the windows boot loader
[19:59] <Laurenceb> im trying to install windows yes
[20:00] <Laurenceb> so what tools do i need to do this?
[20:00] <BrainDamage> there's a reinstall bootloader functionality in the windows emergency shell in the install cd
[20:00] <BrainDamage> that will allow you to avoid a whole reinstall
[20:00] <Laurenceb> i dont have a win7 cd
[20:01] <Laurenceb> im trying to install win7 by cloning a hdd to a partition on my machine
[20:01] <Laurenceb> maybe i still need grub there
[20:01] <jcoxon> you can boot windows with grub
[20:01] <Laurenceb> yeah
[20:02] <Laurenceb> but grub just gives me error22
[20:04] <Laurenceb> maybe i need to reconfigure grub...
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[20:08] <Matt_soton> Lunar_Lander: http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/apex2/art.gpx
[20:08] <Matt_soton> itll open nicely in google earth
[20:08] <Matt_soton> i have the raw data too if you want it
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Error 22 probably means you wiped the second-stage bootloader
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Which lives in the partition
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Matt_soton
[20:10] <Matt_soton> their checksum means that some wrong data was not filtered out
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[20:33] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: looks like i corrupted the filesystem by shrinking it
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> How did you shrink it?
[20:34] <Laurenceb> heh
[20:34] <Laurenceb> by chopping the end of the image file
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> Ah - that won't work well in most cases.
[20:35] <Laurenceb> ooh it still boots off the origional hdd
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> use the shrinker from duke nukem!
[20:35] <Laurenceb> windows diskcheck thing fired up and did some repairs
[20:37] <Laurenceb> its all rather odd... if i boot into ubuntu now hopefully i can get gparted to detect the partition
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[20:38] <Laurenceb> hmf
[20:38] <Laurenceb> gparted says the partition is corrupted, yet windows boots ok off it
[20:38] <Laurenceb> - this is the origional hdd i want to copy
[20:40] <Laurenceb> gparted wont resize as it cant detect the filesystem
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[20:44] <Laurenceb> i guess if gparted cant detect the filesystem it cant resize it...
[20:45] <Laurenceb> this makes no ense as wndows boots from the partition
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[20:46] <Laurenceb> wtf.. remounting it solves the problem
[20:49] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[21:16] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: is everything all right? you pinged me earlier
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, thanks :)
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> Matt_soton already helped me
[21:16] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: no problem, glad you've got it sorted
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> your apex II movie is awesome!
[21:17] <priyesh> thanks :) I quite enjoyed putting that together
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> and it is cool to see Apex IIC!
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> the announcement at least
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> and then one day you make Apex III?
[21:20] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: Yep! Plans are to launch Apex II.3 in the summer. Hopefully resolve a few issues. It will probably be Apex IIs last flight. After that, the team are moving on to begin Apex III
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> will Apex II.3 be like II.2?
[21:20] <priyesh> There will be a few differences.
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> and these are TBD?
[21:21] <priyesh> We may take the IRDs off
[21:21] <priyesh> and we're planning for a ~11am launch
[21:22] <priyesh> The HD camera may be mounted on a servo system so that it can be rotated
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:22] <priyesh> ideas are floating around
[21:22] <priyesh> but the big changes are in store for APEX III
[21:22] <priyesh> more details to follow in the coming months
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[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> wb jcoxon
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[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> quick
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> how much voltage do I need?
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> for the arduino with the radio and GPS
[21:49] <hibby> 5?
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:49] <hibby> for the strathab setup, ran the arduino and radio from a 9v battery
[21:50] <hibby> using the arduino's inbuilt vreg
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:50] <hibby> and ran the falcom gps on a separate vreg/battery supply
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> are 7.4 also OK?
[21:50] <hibby> should be for the ardunio connected stuff
[21:51] <hibby> assuming you're not using it bare chip
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> no, on the Uno board
[21:51] <hibby> aye, that's fine then
[21:52] <hibby> check the datasheet, it has all the tolerances in
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[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> thanks!
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ahh
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> recommended input voltage 7-12 V
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> limits are 6-20 V
[21:56] <Shuffty> Wow - just been watching the video for the apex 2 launch from the 9th April as mentioned by Lunar - one thing that strikes me - how young everybody looks in the photos - I have a feeling I might be one of the eldest on here!
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Everyones the same age inside.
[21:58] <Shuffty> :-)
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[22:01] <Shuffty> So no balloon launches this weekend?
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> no sorry
[22:03] <Shuffty> I think I might have to get my act together - is there anywhere other than cambridge where I can get permission to launch ina hurry?
[22:09] Action: Shuffty is making a shopping list..
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> I think it is all a question about flight safety
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Permissions, more.
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Shuffty: Wherre are you?
[22:11] <Shuffty> Manchester
[22:14] <NigeyS> f**kity f**k
[22:14] <Shuffty> whats up nigeys?
[22:14] <NigeyS> this codes annoying me
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> I think his u and c keys are broken.
[22:14] <Shuffty> which part?
[22:14] <NigeyS> lol speedy
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NqZuDaN2pc
[22:15] <NigeyS> Shuffty, a condition to stop sms at x altitude
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[22:15] <Shuffty> do you need to stop it?
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> It'd probably make more sense to stop SMS when you lost signal
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[22:15] <NigeyS> yeah, otherwise i think it may put unsent msgs into a Q and crash the avr :|
[22:15] <Shuffty> I figured it would just fail if it didnt have a cell signal - and if it did, it'd be good to send?
[22:16] <Shuffty> ahh
[22:16] <Shuffty> good call
[22:16] <NigeyS> no way of testing without taking the phone somewhere and losing signal
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Take the SIM out
[22:16] <NigeyS> but we do know gsm coverage dies after 2km max
[22:16] <BrainDamage> wrap the cell in aluminium foil
[22:16] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, tried that, and i got no msg, but can i take it that's how it's going to work? :|
[22:16] <NigeyS> BrainDamage, seriously ?
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> But yes - foil should work
[22:17] <Shuffty> Cant you do a if altitude > statement?
[22:17] <NigeyS> SpeedEvil, will try it!
[22:17] <NigeyS> Shuffty, thats what i have
[22:17] <NigeyS> it sent 2 msgs, then stopped, even when my alt didnt change
[22:17] <Shuffty> why isnt it working?
[22:18] Nick change: W0OTM -> W0ORM
[22:18] Nick change: W0ORM -> W0OTM
[22:18] <W0OTM> LOL
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[22:18] <NigeyS> not sure
[22:18] <NigeyS> if i revert back to ..
[22:18] <NigeyS> if(count % 20 == 0)
[22:18] <NigeyS> {
[22:18] <NigeyS> send_sms(msg + 4);
[22:18] <NigeyS> }
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> hey W0OTM
[22:19] <NigeyS> its fine, i get sms every 20 lines of telem
[22:19] <W0OTM> Hey Lunar_Lander
[22:19] <MNSP> hello all :)
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi MNSP
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> W0OTM you were lucky in the cutdown video with the wind
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> it looked much better this way with the chute going to the side
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:20] <NigeyS> but if i add if(count % 20 == 0 && gps.altitude() < 1000) it stops after 2 lines :S
[22:20] <W0OTM> Lunar_Lander: I planned it that way when I setup for the shoot
[22:21] <BrainDamage> silly question: do you let your balloon to burst, or do you have an electronic operated valve to relief pressure when it's about to?
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage Bill Brown and EOSS did Valves
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> but I think nobody in the UK did them yet
[22:22] <BrainDamage> the prices I saw for balloons weren't too cheap :/
[22:22] <NigeyS> BrainDamage, most people tend to just let them burst
[22:22] <Dan-K2VOL> BrianDamage also you can fly a zero pressure balloon which is plastic with a vent at the bottom which then allows it to float
[22:22] <NigeyS> its Dan!!
[22:22] <Dan-K2VOL> the latex balloons aren't that expensive really,
[22:22] <Dan-K2VOL> hey NigeyS
[22:23] <NigeyS> hey Dan, how goes it today ?
[22:24] <Dan-K2VOL> pretty good, most of the hackers here are about to compete in a robot tournament in a city 2 hours from here, I'm watching on the ustream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/highball-1
[22:25] <NigeyS> oh sweet !
[22:25] <NigeyS> someone pick a galaxy to image
[22:25] <Dan-K2VOL> Sumobots
[22:25] <NigeyS> gonna jump on the imaging scopes for 5 mins
[22:25] <Dan-K2VOL> oh really nigeyS that's awesome, can we see?
[22:26] <NigeyS> sure, just logging in to spain now
[22:26] <Dan-K2VOL> how about that one that's got the GRB goin on in it this wek
[22:26] <BrainDamage> most of the robot competitions don't allow fun stuff :(
[22:26] <Dan-K2VOL> you are very correct braindamage
[22:26] <BrainDamage> everyone knows a robot is not complete without a 10kJ railgun
[22:27] <Dan-K2VOL> we're going to do one this fall though ourselves that will be no-holds barred
[22:28] <NigeyS> meh the domes roof is closed for some weird reason
[22:28] <Dan-K2VOL> aw
[22:28] <Dan-K2VOL> what system are you using
[22:28] <Dan-K2VOL> GRASS?
[22:29] <NigeyS> yups
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL btw
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> you need two termination ways for FAA 101 right?
[22:30] <Dan-K2VOL> not for the exempt class
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[22:30] <Dan-K2VOL> which equates to ICAO Light unmanned free balloon
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:37] <W0OTM> I WANT fighting robots!
[22:37] <W0OTM> bring on the fight!
[22:37] <W0OTM> all the hanging/swinging boxing bags are making me nauseous
[22:37] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe
[22:38] <Dan-K2VOL> I know I want to see some burnin rubber and skidding robots
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> too sad that they cancelled Robot Wars back in 2003
[22:41] <MNSP> I went to see a UK vs USA special once
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> that was just remote controlled robots though wasn't it?
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> neat
[22:41] <MNSP> well I hadn't said anything for a while, thought I'd chip in ;)
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
[22:42] <W0OTM> someones got to pee
[22:42] <W0OTM> "wheres the bathroom?"
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah Dan-K2VOL
[22:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe there's about 10 guys from our Louisville Kentucky hackerspace (LVL1) there in the Cincinnati Ohio hackerspace Hive13
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> MNSP there also was a germany vs. UK
[22:43] <Dan-K2VOL> which shares a boxing club with a boxing club
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> and germany one, but the winning robot actually was dutch
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> *won
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> not one
[22:44] <MNSP> lol
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[22:45] <MNSP_> silly wireless :P
[22:46] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, when they open the roof we'll go for M87
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> nice!
[22:46] <NigeyS> try and get a shot of the Jet
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> what wavelength are you going to use
[22:47] <NigeyS> i might go for near infra red
[22:53] <MNSP_> do we know if fsphil will launch tomorrow?
[22:53] <Dan-K2VOL> there's Pat
[22:54] <W0OTM> looks like the guy from the Office
[22:54] <W0OTM> Duane
[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[22:54] <W0OTM> im right!
[22:54] <W0OTM> LOL
[22:54] <Dan-K2VOL> Timon the left, Pat on the right
[22:55] <Dan-K2VOL> th tellow one is strong
[22:55] <Dan-K2VOL> yellow
[22:56] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[22:57] <Dan-K2VOL> Jose from LVL1 on the right
[22:57] <Dan-K2VOL> with parallax sumobot
[22:59] <W0OTM> thats awesome
[22:59] <W0OTM> LMAO
[22:59] <MNSP_> lol, brutal
[23:00] <Dan-K2VOL> unknown Hive13 guy on left
[23:00] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[23:01] <Dan-K2VOL> wtf was that
[23:01] <MNSP_> gosh big robot fell over
[23:01] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> Mark Endicott on left and Brian Wagner on right
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> both LVL1
[23:02] <Dan-K2VOL> wow
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[23:06] <MNSP_> like his tshirt
[23:14] Nick change: TraumaKitteh -> NeuroKitteh
[23:18] <Shuffty> Ok, bed time for me... well, perched in front of the tv for another half hour, but will prolly fall asleep... Gnight all.
[23:18] <Dan-K2VOL> nigght
[23:18] Nick change: NeuroKitteh -> TraumaKitteh
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[23:18] <MNSP_> nite
[23:18] <MNSP_> missed
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[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02 ### AcquireSupport V5.1.5d
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02 ### Modified for GRAS by Brad Moore
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02 ### brad@global-rent-a-scope.com
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:02 Telescope is ACP->GRAS-017, driver V2
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:04 Imager is FLI-New
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:04 Guider is SX Universal (external)
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:04 Calculated unbinned plate scales (arcsec/pix): H = 0.91 V = 0.91
[23:23] <NigeyS> 01:23:04 Calculated field of view (arcmin): H = 16.1 V = 15.6
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[23:25] <NigeyS> sorry! lol never clean your mouse while in irc
[23:25] <Dan-K2VOL> now that was a mouthful for my poor text-to-speech nigeyS
[23:25] <NigeyS> pmsl woops
[23:25] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P np
[23:26] Action: NigeyS remembers mouse has an off switch :/
[23:26] <NigeyS> bout 10 minutes for the images Dan
[23:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Jose won the match
[23:27] <Dan-K2VOL> neat NigeyS
[23:27] <NigeyS> he's from lvl 1 right ?
[23:27] <Dan-K2VOL> yep!
[23:27] <NigeyS> yey!
[23:27] <Dan-K2VOL> he built the ballast controller on white star :-)
[23:27] <NigeyS> ahh that's the guy! i knew i'd heard / seen his name before
[23:28] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm sitting here collecting data on how the sat modem queues are working
[23:28] <Dan-K2VOL> he was the flight director/ launch site director for launch attempt A
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[23:31] <NigeyS> ooo i see
[23:31] <NigeyS> im so bad at remembering names ya know
[23:31] <Dan-K2VOL> oh np
[23:31] <NigeyS> meh telescope system bithing at the moon
[23:31] <NigeyS> bitching*
[23:31] <Dan-K2VOL> too bright?
[23:31] <NigeyS> possibly, soon find out...lol
[23:32] <NigeyS> WARNING MOON IS TOO CLOSE TO TARGET *** LESS THAN 60 DEGREES
[23:33] <Dan-K2VOL> 60 degrees wow
[23:33] <NigeyS> not ideal conditions to image but meh, not bothered, it kills a bit of time
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> is anybody of you here a pro member at Instructables?
[23:34] <NigeyS> not me ...
[23:35] Action: hibby should really try moonbounce from the satellite station.
[23:35] <hibby> before I mvoe out, anyway
[23:36] <NigeyS> theres a few people id like to bounce off the moon let alone a radio signal!
[23:36] <hibby> heheh
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[23:50] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, system canceled the run, clouds rolling in :(
[23:50] <Dan-K2VOL> aw
[23:51] <Dan-K2VOL> intelligent system
[23:51] <NigeyS> aye, only took 2 points off me to hah!
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