highaltitude.log.20110410

[00:00] <fsphil> always a plus :)
[00:00] <NigeyS> my heads more valueable than the antenna .. apparently :|
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[00:04] <NigeyS> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-8-Nut-Pole-Pole-Clamp-2-X-2-/280522482675?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item41507163f3
[00:04] <NigeyS> something like that would probably do it
[00:07] <fsphil> that looks like it would do the job yea
[00:07] <fsphil> you could probably get one locally in a telly shop
[00:09] <NigeyS> oo
[00:09] <NigeyS> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PBKIT-SO-COMPLETE-POLE-MOUNT-BRACKET-SO239-FITTING-/350436906096?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item5197aad470
[00:09] <NigeyS> how handy would that be
[00:11] <fsphil> be nice for HF
[00:13] <NigeyS> yups,ok not the best quality cable, but a neat little package
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[00:37] <NigeyS> bed time! nn all
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[05:03] <natrium42> o/
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[05:24] <Darkside> \o
[05:25] <natrium42> if you only knew the power of the Darkside
[05:25] <Darkside> never underestimate it
[05:26] <natrium42> :)
[05:29] <SamSilver> at the mo I am more of a believer in the power of coffee!
[05:30] <natrium42> yeah, but it's easy to missuse that power
[05:30] <Dan-K2VOL> hola
[05:30] <Dan-K2VOL> how's your projects alexei
[05:30] Action: natrium42 is taking a month off from drinking coffee
[05:30] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[05:32] <natrium42> dan, had phone interviews thursday and friday
[05:32] <Dan-K2VOL> oh yeah? where you interviewing?
[05:32] <natrium42> will see how they went
[05:32] <natrium42> google
[05:32] <Dan-K2VOL> wow that's fantastic
[05:33] <natrium42> a lot of my friends are working there, so i figured why not
[05:33] <Dan-K2VOL> cool, what position
[05:33] <natrium42> software engineer
[05:34] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[05:34] <Dan-K2VOL> where would you be geographically
[05:34] <natrium42> my first choice is mountain view
[05:34] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, will they do the H1 visa for you?
[05:34] <natrium42> dunno, would like to try living in warmer climate :)
[05:35] <natrium42> yes, the big companies do all the paperwork for you
[05:35] <Dan-K2VOL> haha that would be nice
[05:35] <Dan-K2VOL> I like the SF area a lot
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[05:35] <Dan-K2VOL> too many people and traffic though
[05:35] <natrium42> hehe, but the climate is unique
[05:36] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah it ain't ever very warm
[05:36] <natrium42> and just the people are very progressive
[05:36] <natrium42> which is also good :)
[05:36] <Dan-K2VOL> I've always frozen my ass off no matter what time of year I've been to SF
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[05:36] <natrium42> haha, SF itself is damn cold
[05:36] <Dan-K2VOL> but frozen in the 40-50F 100% humidity high winds sort of way
[05:36] <natrium42> but move a bit east
[05:36] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh
[05:37] <natrium42> there's a google office in santa monica
[05:37] <natrium42> 300 days of sun per year :D
[05:37] <Dan-K2VOL> haha nice
[05:37] <Dan-K2VOL> I used to live across the lake from you, I know well the shitty lake effect clouds year rown
[05:37] <Dan-K2VOL> round
[05:39] <natrium42> :)
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[05:51] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: so how are you?
[05:51] <natrium42> how is team morale?
[05:51] <Dan-K2VOL> it's middling
[05:52] <Dan-K2VOL> the season is slipping away
[05:52] <Dan-K2VOL> and our problem solutions have been very elusive
[05:54] <Dan-K2VOL> we're close to a solution though. And a lot of perhipheral things are coming together, like liveatc.net carrying our mission control audio stream
[05:55] <natrium42> good to hear that you are moving forward
[05:55] <Dan-K2VOL> yes ,I'm programming now on it
[05:55] <natrium42> when would be season cutofff?
[05:55] <Dan-K2VOL> any time in april
[05:55] <Dan-K2VOL> unknown
[05:55] <Dan-K2VOL> may have already happened
[05:55] <Dan-K2VOL> the last jet stream doesn't tell us it's the last :-/
[05:58] <natrium42> :S
[05:58] <Dan-K2VOL> grr, this is driving me nuts, "Comm_ContConsolidated0_6.cpp.o: In function `setup':
[05:58] <Dan-K2VOL> Comm_ContConsolidated0_6.cpp:348: undefined reference to `lprintf_P'"
[05:58] <Dan-K2VOL> it's arduino
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[06:35] <SamSilver> morning sir jame
[06:35] <SamSilver> James
[06:35] <jcoxon> good morning
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[06:58] <jcoxon> SamSilver, up for the final launch of the weekend?
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[07:02] <jcoxon> wow the jetstream is perfect today
[07:02] <jcoxon> nice high pressure system
[07:02] <jcoxon> minimal winds
[07:03] <mattltm-mob> hi all.
[07:03] <jcoxon> morning mattltm-mob
[07:03] <Dan-K2VOL> hi
[07:03] <jcoxon> hey Dan-K2VOL
[07:03] <Dan-K2VOL> morning james
[07:04] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, its not a good sign you are still awake!
[07:04] <Dan-K2VOL> lol yeah, that means I'm stuck on a problem
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[07:05] <jcoxon> i often find that if i sleep on it the answer comes to me
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[07:07] <SamSilver> jcoxon: yes very much, had great fun yesterday and more to come today
[07:07] <SamSilver> could do with a good flouter as that is what floats my boat
[07:07] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe sam
[07:07] <jcoxon> SamSilver, well now that you ask...
[07:07] <jcoxon> if the weather is good i'll launch my atlas payload next weekend
[07:08] <jcoxon> just an up/down flight to test SPoT at altitude
[07:08] <Dan-K2VOL> oh how are you encoding
[07:08] <SamSilver> i heard you chatting about that yesterday, great news.
[07:08] <jcoxon> if recovered i'll be flying a long duration in may
[07:09] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i'm thinking altitude in km as a decimal
[07:09] <Dan-K2VOL> alternating with lat/lon?
[07:09] <SamSilver> I would rather you did not talk about your Spot as it makes me quite green :-P
[07:09] <jcoxon> in the longitude field
[07:09] <jcoxon> yea
[07:09] <jcoxon> with tx every 10mins
[07:09] <jcoxon> so 20mins per whole packet
[07:09] <Dan-K2VOL> gotcha
[07:10] <jcoxon> i'd love to skip hte altitude completely and just send lat/lon
[07:10] <Dan-K2VOL> will you save the alt from the same capture as the lat/lon?
[07:10] <jcoxon> so get an update every 10mins
[07:10] <Dan-K2VOL> yea
[07:10] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, can't decide
[07:11] <SamSilver> a bit Mr fenymans delima
[07:11] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[07:11] <jcoxon> i'm thinking using the most up to date data at all times
[07:11] <SamSilver> Mr Richard Feineman
[07:11] <Dan-K2VOL> that will make analysis difficult james
[07:11] <jcoxon> the point is for a backup when we run out of listeners
[07:12] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah
[07:12] <SamSilver> you can know where it is or what it is doing but not both
[07:12] <jcoxon> to keep us updated enough so we can get more listeners
[07:12] <Dan-K2VOL> how about it send altitude only when it's not what you want it to be?
[07:12] <jcoxon> so we have the chance to send 2 decimal numbers
[07:13] <jcoxon> perhaps we can cram everything in their
[07:13] <jcoxon> there*
[07:13] <jcoxon> e.g we can steal the first digit of latitude
[07:13] <Dan-K2VOL> there you go
[07:13] <jcoxon> as we can keep track of where it is roughly
[07:13] <SamSilver> james how about sending the Alti as a function of time
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[07:14] <SamSilver> as in 27km high would be the lat long sent at 27 secs after the min
[07:14] <jcoxon> SamSilver, we are at risk of sat delays - time is recorded by the spot system when it recieves the data
[07:14] <jcoxon> also i can't get it to send quicker then every 10mins
[07:14] <Dan-K2VOL> that sucks, orbcomm is the same way, we have to send the time with every packet
[07:15] <Dan-K2VOL> we send minutes since launch
[07:15] <Dan-K2VOL> as 1.5 bytes
[07:15] <SamSilver> yes but send it say 27 secs after the 10mins if up
[07:15] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, i guess we can steal the first 2 digits of longitude as well
[07:15] <Dan-K2VOL> likely
[07:15] <jcoxon> that would give us MM.m
[07:16] <jcoxon> would at least tells that we were in the air
[07:16] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[07:16] <jcoxon> and floating
[07:16] <Dan-K2VOL> true
[07:16] <SamSilver> two spots is the nswer
[07:16] <SamSilver> answer
[07:17] <Dan-K2VOL> that would do it
[07:17] <SamSilver> lol
[07:17] <jcoxon> not cheap!
[07:17] <jcoxon> or natrium42's hack would do it
[07:17] <jcoxon> you can send quicker his way
[07:17] <jcoxon> but it seems is less efficient
[07:18] <jcoxon> i wonder if we can use the EW as well
[07:18] <jcoxon> or NS actually
[07:18] <jcoxon> so send the latitude as MD.ddd
[07:18] <jcoxon> (M as an altitude number)
[07:19] <jcoxon> if we make it in southern hemisphere 0-50 and northern hemisphere 50-100
[07:20] <jcoxon> that way we can construct MM.m(0-50) or MM.m(50-100)
[07:22] <jcoxon> ooooo or
[07:22] <jcoxon> so we've got NS and EW
[07:22] <SamSilver> yes
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[07:23] <jcoxon> so N+E = 0-10, N+W = 10-20, S+E = 20-30 and S+W = 30-40
[07:24] <jcoxon> so from that we get the first digit of altitude
[07:24] <NigelMoby> Wee morning all
[07:24] <jcoxon> we can then use our 3 remaining digits to make up the rest
[07:24] <jcoxon> so we'd end up with MM.mm
[07:24] <jcoxon> which is more accurate
[07:26] <jcoxon> oh wait that might not work as well
[07:27] <jcoxon> i forget that lat/lon are not up to 100
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[07:29] <NigelMoby> Hmm
[07:29] <jcoxon> i'll have a play at some point
[07:30] <NigelMoby> Jcoxon can you remember the general direction gaga-1 is predicted to head?
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[07:31] <jcoxon> around in a circle
[07:31] <jcoxon> it'll stay close to cambridge
[07:32] <NigelMoby> Oh yeah, I have to rig my antenna up which involves lots of Gaffa tape so want to get the general direction right
[07:32] <jcoxon> for you just point it at cambridge
[07:33] <NigelMoby> Oki, will do, its going on a 20ft pole... did I mention I'm scared of heights? Lol
[07:34] <jcoxon> haha - just be careful!
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[07:36] <NigelMoby> Fsphil up yet lazybones? :p
[07:38] <NigelMoby> Graham_G3VZV morning
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[07:44] <fsphil> waa just another ten minutes :p
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[07:55] <fsphil> there's a small thunderstorm developing right below ireland atm -- what are the bats it'll move north and hit me when I'm up the mountain :)
[07:55] <fsphil> bets*
[07:55] <fsphil> though bats are good too
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[08:00] <NigelMoby> Lol oh no
[08:01] <NigelMoby> Phil I need this yahoo pointing e.n.e ?
[08:01] <NigelMoby> Yagi
[08:10] <Upu> morning
[08:14] <Upu> I moght actually do that, put the Yagi on the roof and aim in the general direction of Cambridge
[08:19] <NigelMoby> Hey upu, mines going up the washing line pole lol
[08:19] <Upu> haha
[08:19] <NigelMoby> Bout 20ft high scaffold pole thingy!!!!
[08:19] <Upu> I don't have a long enough feeder atm
[08:20] <fsphil> NigelMoby, yep! towards cambridge, as the crow flies
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[08:20] <fsphil> haha
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[08:21] <fsphil> I guess I'd need to start packing the car
[08:22] <Upu> you launching today fsphil ?
[08:22] <fsphil> tracking :) heading for higher ground
[08:24] <Upu> rgr
[08:24] <Upu> sounds like a plan
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[08:26] <chembrow> morning all. how's it going? we on track for the launch?
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[08:30] <SamSilver> I got a cuppa and a bun all set I am
[08:31] <Shuffty> Hoe long till launch? Just getting up!
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[08:31] <SamSilver> about now
[08:32] <SamSilver> 0930BST
[08:32] <fsphil> 0930 gmt I think
[08:32] <fsphil> an hour yet
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[08:34] <fsphil|m> testing
[08:34] <fsphil|m> woo
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[08:35] <fsphil|m> the weird thing is my xchat client is saying I'm connected to an ipv6 server, but my whois IP is an ipv4 address
[08:35] <fsphil|m> O2 must be trying stuffs
[08:36] Action: MNSP is online
[08:36] <MNSP> mornin' all :)
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[08:36] <fsphil> hi hi
[08:36] <jgrahamc> Morning
[08:36] <MNSP> morning
[08:37] <Upu> I'll set off as soon as it launches
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[08:37] <Upu> any news from site ?
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[08:41] <fsphil> from twitter:
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[08:41] <fsphil> At the release location for GAGA-1. Flight computer on and has GPS lock.
[08:41] Action: fsphil kicks the bot .. I'm doing your job :p
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[08:42] <MNSP> ok I can see yesterdays two on spacenear and some one in france too but GAGA1 doesn't seem to be there
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[08:42] <Upu> should appear soon if the FC is on
[08:42] <MNSP> FC?
[08:44] <chembrow> flight computer
[08:44] <jgrahamc> Flight computer is on and I am uploading strings to the tracker.
[08:44] <MNSP> excellent, thank you
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[08:47] <NigelMoby> Fsphil, u got mail Lmao
[08:48] <fsphil> oh perfect!
[08:52] <fsphil> brb
[08:52] <NigelMoby> High enuff?
[08:53] <NigelMoby> Kk
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[08:54] <NigeyS> Upu, whats your email address fella ?
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[08:55] <Upu> PM'd
[08:56] <chembrow> bbl
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[08:58] <jgrahamc> natrium42: could you poke the tracker? I am uploading strings apparently successfully, but don't see anything.
[08:58] <sshuffty> Hey all - have a i missed the gaga1 flight?
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[08:58] <NigeyS> hey sshuffty
[08:58] <NigeyS> hey jgrahamc !
[08:58] <sshuffty> Hey Nigeys
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[08:58] <Upu> M6ANJ : GAGA-1,1643,08:57:58,52.2138,0.1006,70,0.00,17.0,14.4,64*13
[08:59] <NigeyS> looks a gd string
[08:59] <LazyLeopard> Not yet, I hope. It was announced for 0900 UTC
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[08:59] <LazyLeopard> Frequency on dial, anyone? ;)
[08:59] <Upu> its not up yet
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[09:00] <NigeyS> LazyLeopard, :) morning bud
[09:00] <futurity> Morning. Is there a launch planned for today?
[09:00] <Upu> indeed very shortly in facty
[09:00] <NigeyS> http://www.amateurdeepfield.org/IMAG0226.jpg
[09:00] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> M0LEP
[09:00] <NigeyS> reckon that'll work LazyLeopard ? lol
[09:00] <futurity> Great news. May I ask where fro
[09:01] <M0LEP> Looks a bit like mine. ;)
[09:01] <Upu> Cambrdige
[09:01] <futurity> *from
[09:01] <Upu> nice antenna :)
[09:01] <NigeyS> haha those old style washing line poles are great masts!
[09:01] <jgrahamc> 434.652 on my radio
[09:01] <natrium42> jgrahamc: yo
[09:01] <natrium42> is it still not workin?
[09:02] <M0LEP> ...tough these days I've got a rotator too.
[09:02] <NigeyS> need to wait for a signal to make sure i got it in the right spot before i gaffa tape it, or i cant rotate the bugger, just hope it doesnt fall down :|
[09:02] <NigeyS> id love a rotator on that pole, but its to rusty, itd prob snap with the weight of it
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[09:03] <jgrahamc> I don't see any data or the map natrium42
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[09:04] <natrium42> it's rejecting your sentences
[09:05] <jgrahamc> Any idea why?
[09:05] <natrium42> looking
[09:05] <jgrahamc> OK, thanks
[09:06] <DanielRichman> Field should not be > 6 or < 0 and it is 8
[09:06] <DanielRichman> natrium42: doesn't like the elapsed_time field (?)
[09:06] <natrium42> yeah
[09:06] <DanielRichman> no; it doesn't like the time field either
[09:06] <natrium42> it's too long
[09:07] <DanielRichman> yeah maxlen 6
[09:07] <natrium42> do you have access to rob's server?
[09:07] <DanielRichman> no. I was just about to ask you that :S
[09:07] <natrium42> eek
[09:07] <DanielRichman> Upu: ?
[09:07] <jgrahamc> Oops. Yes, crap that was a last minute change that didn't get changed in the XML
[09:07] <natrium42> i never remember the pass
[09:07] <Upu> negatvie houston I have his mobile number
[09:07] <jgrahamc> jonsowman may know the password
[09:08] <DanielRichman> oh I have him on skype too
[09:08] <DanielRichman> jgrahamc: yeah; he's afk
[09:09] <natrium42> i should have it in the logs
[09:11] <natrium42> found it
[09:13] <natrium42> gah, it's read only
[09:13] <natrium42> owned by jonsowman
[09:13] <DanielRichman> lmao
[09:13] <natrium42> i can create a new one...
[09:14] <DanielRichman> can you copy it and move it over? if you have write access to the directory you can forefully take control
[09:14] <natrium42> yes, i can reate another xml...
[09:14] <jonsowman> hi guys
[09:15] <DanielRichman> ^^
[09:15] <natrium42> oh, finally
[09:15] <jonsowman> fixed.
[09:15] Action: natrium42 removes gaga-1-fixed.xml
[09:15] <MNSP> yay, I see it on tracker
[09:15] <jonsowman> sorry, have been sleeping after being up for 24 hours for Apex
[09:16] <natrium42> how could you, jonsowman!
[09:16] <natrium42> :P
[09:16] <jonsowman> at some point, I suggest rjh sets the setgid bit on /var/www/html/listen
[09:16] <natrium42> jgrahamc: what's expeted ascent, descent rates and burst alt?
[09:16] <jonsowman> then everything will automatically be 'highalt' group owned and we won't have this problem
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[09:16] Action: natrium42 used to have root password...
[09:17] Action: MNSP is not in great dunmow
[09:18] <jonsowman> permissions on gaga-1.xml are ok now anyway.
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[09:20] <Upu> yup looks good
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[09:20] <M0LEP> Hmmm... Where's gaga-1 on the client?
[09:20] <Upu> refresh payload list ?
[09:21] <M0LEP> Not seeing it.
[09:22] <M0LEP> gpgga I see, between darkside and habat, but no gaga
[09:22] <natrium42> g'nite
[09:22] <sshuffty> Is Gaga1 broadcasting yet?
[09:22] <natrium42> good luck with the launch!
[09:22] <Upu> yeah I don't see Gaga on the payload list
[09:22] <Upu> yes
[09:22] <sshuffty> Is that a yes to me upu?
[09:23] <Upu> yes sshuffty its still on the ground but on
[09:23] <sshuffty> :-) Cheers falle
[09:23] <sshuffty> fella
[09:23] <sshuffty> :-)
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[09:23] <Upu> Yeah Gaga no appearing on the payload lists ?
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[09:24] <M0LEP> Correct. Ggag is NOT appearing in the payload list.
[09:24] <M0LEP> gaga-1 even...
[09:25] <jonsowman> Upu: M0LEP : fixed
[09:25] <jonsowman> refresh payload data
[09:25] <M0LEP> Thanks. Got it. ;)
[09:26] <Upu> ta
[09:26] <Upu> well I'll set off as soon as its in the air
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[09:31] <NigeyS> hey chembrow
[09:31] <chembrow> Hi NigeyS
[09:32] <chembrow> any ETA yet?
[09:32] <NigeyS> bout 30mins i think
[09:32] <jonsowman> anyone got a link for gaga prediction?
[09:33] <NigeyS> let me check
[09:33] <chembrow> cool. time for a cuppa
[09:33] <gm4jtj> http://blog.jgc.org/search/label/gaga
[09:34] <M0LEP> Oh, that sounds like a goood idea. ;)
[09:34] <MNSP> well if you're offering chembrow ;P
[09:34] <chembrow> :)
[09:34] <jonsowman> wow, that's cool
[09:34] <NigeyS> no jon, not got 1 that works :|
[09:34] <jonsowman> oh dear
[09:34] <NigeyS> funky loop the loop stylee..lol
[09:34] <jonsowman> yeah predictors have been a bit weird recently
[09:35] <NigeyS> jonsowman, http://www.amateurdeepfield.org/IMAG0226.jpg
[09:35] <NigeyS> hacker stylee..lmao
[09:35] <jonsowman> haha very nice
[09:35] <jonsowman> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=407a62cd44bb85495db792840f713adc8b46751f
[09:35] <jonsowman> :o
[09:36] <DanielRichman> that's rediculous
[09:36] <NigeyS> blimey, thats crazy
[09:37] <NigeyS> be cool to have it land almost exactly where it took off from, then he can rename it to boomerang-1 :D
[09:37] <jonsowman> hehe
[09:37] <MNSP> lol nigeys, was just thinking it was a boomerang
[09:37] <NigeyS> hmm old lady next door said my yagi is ugly :|
[09:37] <Upu> she has a point
[09:38] <NigeyS> yup, they are ugly, but im not tarting it up in pink frilly knickers and a frock! lol
[09:38] <MNSP> oh cool, is she buying you another then?
[09:39] <NigeyS> haha i should say that, buy me a nice vertical and it'll look nice ;)
[09:39] <MNSP> :D
[09:39] <NigeyS> mm a diamond x50 would be ok for on that pole i think
[09:42] <MNSP> is there any way in fldigi to listen to radio analogue input when tracking?
[09:42] <jonsowman> MNSP: should be, which OS?
[09:42] <NigeyS> yikes brb i forgot to attatch the safety line
[09:42] <M0LEP> Higher you get them, less folks notice, unless they're really on the skyline. ;)
[09:42] <MNSP> win xp
[09:43] <jonsowman> MNSP: there's definitely a way to do it, hang on
[09:43] <futurity> Hi is there an ETA on the launch time. Want to try to get home ready to track it ;)
[09:43] <jonsowman> it was meant to be 1000BST, so any time now I guess
[09:43] <MNSP> think we're looking at 11.00 ish
[09:45] <MNSP> file>audio.rx capture?
[09:45] <jonsowman> that'll just generate an audio file of the input
[09:45] <jonsowman> which not exactly what you want
[09:45] <MNSP> no
[09:46] <chembrow> in the XP mixer settings rather than fldigi, there might be a way to get it to pass through. you can def. in Win 7
[09:46] <jonsowman> if you right click the volume icon in the systray, and hit recording devices, do you have one called Stereo Mix?
[09:46] <jonsowman> chembrow: yeah, I know how to do it in win7
[09:46] <jonsowman> fldigi itself can't do it
[09:47] <chembrow> jonsowman can't remember anything about XP anymore :) not used it in years. used to be fedora in work, then went win 7 when I changed jobs
[09:47] <jonsowman> chembrow: heh, me too
[09:47] <jonsowman> I use Ubuntu and OSX regularly, hardly ever use windows these days
[09:48] <chembrow> it says a lot about win 7 that when I installed it on my desktop at home I didn't immediately replace it with fedora.
[09:48] <jonsowman> indeed, W7 is a really nice OS to use
[09:48] <jonsowman> a big improvement on Vista
[09:48] <jonsowman> I've got it installed dualboot on this machine actually, but never booted it...
[09:48] <MNSP> have 7 on my other laptop. wouldnt touch vista with a bargepole
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[09:49] <chembrow> never went near vista. the missus uses 7 on this machine, I occassionally do if I need photoshop or similar. all my other machines are either fedora or centos
[09:49] <edmoore> Gaga launched!
[09:49] <chembrow> yay!
[09:49] <jonsowman> edmoore: good stuff :) sorry about that XML issue
[09:49] <MNSP> ok will work out audio through later
[09:49] <edmoore> Does the tracker work jonsowman ?
[09:50] <jonsowman> edmoore: perfectly
[09:50] <edmoore> Cool
[09:50] <jgrahamc> In the air.
[09:50] <MNSP> cool! am just trying to pick it up
[09:51] <jonsowman> what's dial frequency?
[09:51] <M0LEP> Yay! AOS
[09:51] <M0LEP> 434.651
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[09:51] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[09:52] <jgrahamc> Thanks
[09:53] <fsphil|m> looks like my home internet has crapped out again
[09:53] Action: fsphil|m waves from 350m asl :)
[09:54] <Graham_G3VZV> perfect signal here in MK although it doesnt seem to be appearing on the tarcker
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> odd- nobodies callsign appears
[09:54] <jgrahamc> Yes, I see nothing on the tracker yet. Glad to hear you are getting RTTY
[09:54] <jgrahamc> Anyone listening to the Feld-Hell on 434.075?
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> I see it on the tracker
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> At 1980m
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> With no callsigns reported
[09:56] Action: Graham_G3VZV will rig up a second receiver for hell...what s/w shud \i use for display?
[09:57] <fsphil|m> launched?
[09:57] <NigeyS> ya
[09:57] <jonsowman> 3km
[09:57] <NigeyS> i wont try to pick it up till at least 5000m phil, i doubt ill get anything until then
[09:57] <M0LEP> Location data on tracker is being updated, but it's not reporting receivers.
[09:57] <M0LEP> Crossing the A14 now. ;)
[09:57] <fsphil|m> oh I'm in no rush :)
[09:58] <fsphil|m> it's too warm up here
[09:58] <fsphil|m> mobile internet is really slow too
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[10:00] <SpeedEvil> NigeyS: I guess a couple of minutes till you're over the nominal horizon
[10:00] <MNSP> I can hear it but can't seem to get string :(
[10:00] <NigeyS> sweet
[10:01] <Graham_G3VZV> hell stopped at 10:00:10 UTC
[10:01] <fsphil|m> I can't get spacenear.us loaded
[10:01] <M0LEP> Funky prediction. Doesn't look like the chase team will have to stir from their armchairs. ;)
[10:01] <SpeedEvil> I don't see any prediction on tracker
[10:01] <chembrow> how often does it transmit? continously?
[10:02] <NigeyS> dial freq ?
[10:02] <jonsowman> it's on the M11 at the moment
[10:02] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: it's there, very faintly
[10:02] <Graham_G3VZV> are its just come back on with cw ud
[10:02] <M0LEP> I'm seeing one. It's a figure-of-8 looping north-east, then back south-west to burst, and then back up north-east to Churchill...
[10:02] <fsphil|m> lol, car just drove past with about 10 antennas on top
[10:03] <NigeyS> lol
[10:03] <M0LEP> What were _they_ up to? ;)
[10:03] <jonsowman> I'm guessing whoever's receiving at the moment hasn't put a callsign into fldigi?
[10:03] <fsphil|m> they're away up to the higher peak
[10:04] <jonsowman> current prediction is landing less than 1km from launch site
[10:04] <jonsowman> oh, it changed.
[10:04] <M0LEP> Raw data's showing callsigns for all lines its logging.
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> oh - right - I see it.
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> (prediction)
[10:04] <fsphil|m> grr, tracker won't work at all for me
[10:05] <jonsowman> M0LEP: oh indeed
[10:05] <jonsowman> hmm, what's going on
[10:05] <chembrow> why are the flights from yesterday still showing up?
[10:05] <jonsowman> chembrow: they haven't been deleted yet
[10:05] <fsphil|m> welp, may as well setup the yagi
[10:05] <fsphil|m> brb
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[10:06] <chembrow> ok
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[10:06] <SpeedEvil> The raw shows 3 (at least) recievers
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> m0lep, g3vzv, g4tnx
[10:07] <jonsowman> yep
[10:07] <jonsowman> I wonder why...
[10:07] <DanielRichman> you mean view.php?
[10:07] <jonsowman> yeah
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> yes
[10:07] <DanielRichman> it always did that (?)
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[10:07] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: they're not showing on the spacenear tracker
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[10:08] <DanielRichman> oh, right
[10:08] <Graham_G3VZV> got the hell.- sort of .what is the coirrect shift?
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[10:10] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: not sure why?
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[10:10] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: from listen.php (from test.php): http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.php?vehicle=gaga-1&time=100615&lat=52.2590&lon=0.1077&alt=6469&heading=
[10:10] <DanielRichman> jonsowman: should have a callsign=CALLSIGN key
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[10:14] <jonsowman> right, fixed I think
[10:14] <jonsowman> let's see when new data comes in
[10:14] <DanielRichman> yup, it works
[10:14] <jonsowman> cool
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[10:14] <jonsowman> silly thing
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[10:18] <MNSP_> dial frequency?
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[10:19] <M0LEP> 434.651
[10:19] <MNSP_> thanks
[10:19] <M0LEP> 434.65125
[10:20] <M0LEP> somewhere close to that
[10:20] <jonsowman> USB?
[10:20] <fsphil|m> nothing here so far
[10:20] <M0LEP> USB
[10:20] <fsphil|m> what's the altitude?
[10:20] <jonsowman> 11.5km
[10:20] <M0LEP> 11500
[10:20] <fsphil|m> tell a lie ... I think I hear rtty
[10:20] <chembrow> I'm getting something, too faint for fldigi ATM
[10:21] <jonsowman> ditto
[10:21] <MNSP_> same as
[10:21] <chembrow> too much noise
[10:23] <fsphil|m> hmm... dl-fldigi can't download the payload data ... or it's just being really slow
[10:23] <jonsowman> fine here fsphil|m
[10:24] <fsphil|m> I think it's the gsm conncetion
[10:24] <fsphil|m> I might have to configure the payload manually
[10:25] <chembrow> still to weak here :(
[10:25] <jonsowman> ditto
[10:25] <SpeedEvil> Or turn off images, to allow the page to load without the maps fsphil|m?
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[10:27] <fsphil|m> it's hte dl-fldigi client itself
[10:27] <fsphil|m> the tracker's started working
[10:27] <fsphil|m> oddly
[10:27] <fsphil|m> I can see a wavy line on the waterfall!
[10:28] <chembrow> all I can see is solid yellow :(
[10:28] <chembrow> \me needs a decent vertical outside
[10:29] <sshuffty> yay im getting it!
[10:29] <sshuffty> :-)
[10:29] <fsphil|m> can someone PM me the payload setup?
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[10:30] <fsphil|m> is the hell beacon still going? I can't see anything near 434.075
[10:30] Action: Graham_G3VZV ahs got the HELL wporking well now - very clever mode:)
[10:30] <chembrow> sshuffty what antenna are you using? you're further north than me and I can't get a decode
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[10:31] <fsphil|m> Graham_G3VZV, what's the dial freq. for that?
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[10:32] <Graham_G3VZV> 434.074MHz
[10:33] <fsphil|m> thanks
[10:34] <fsphil|m> I can't see it at all
[10:35] <fsphil|m> tell a lie, just saw it faintly
[10:35] <fsphil|m> well, maybe
[10:35] <M0LEP> RTTY on 434.65185
[10:35] <M0LEP> ...on the dial
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[10:37] <fsphil|m> is the hell signal frequency drifting or is it steady? I've got a fairly solid carrier down near 434.075
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[10:39] <chembrow> is the hell beacon on usb?
[10:39] <sshuffty> im getting it on 434.652.0
[10:39] <fsphil|m> yea
[10:40] <chembrow> then I'm getting nothing there :(
[10:40] <sshuffty> chembro - its a zl special yagi - hangin out of my attick window..
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[10:41] <Graham_G3VZV> the HELL is on 434.074 ish but transmits only 50% duty cycle - so sometimes there is no carrier...listen for at least a minute to be sure using USB
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[10:43] <fsphil|m> getting good reception of the rtty
[10:44] <fsphil|m> yagi + 340m asl = good :)
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[10:45] <DaveFEV> Atspace is playing up today but this link might work. http://g4fev.atspace.com/gaga1hel.jpg
[10:45] <chembrow> I can hear it loud and clear, just can't get anything into fldigi
[10:46] <NigeyS> $$GAGA-1,7881,10:t]5{lY~r~v6,0.2915,18524,4.66,15.2,-16>2,64*01
[10:46] <NigeyS> eugh
[10:47] <fsphil|m> you receiving it NigeyS?
[10:47] <NigeyS> not a sausage
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[10:47] <NigeyS> my yagi is oficially deaf
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[10:48] <fsphil|m> hmms
[10:50] <fsphil|m> these 8-bit checksums are rubbish
[10:50] <jonsowman> crc16 is where it's at :)
[10:50] <fsphil|m> yea
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[10:50] <fsphil|m> the first 4-bits are always the same
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[10:51] <jonsowman> fsphil|m: yeah, bit silly
[10:51] <fsphil|m> it's effectively only a 4-bit checksum
[10:52] <fsphil|m> getting good reception here now
[10:53] <NigeyS> gonna try again brb
[10:54] <DaveFEV> >>GM4JTJ Good work Jon........
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[10:55] <fsphil|m> gonna try hell again
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> It is a wacky trrajectory
[10:57] <fsphil|m> how often does the hell beacon transmit?
[10:57] <fsphil|m> I'm still getting silence
[10:58] <chembrow> bbiab
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[10:59] <fsphil|m> not a peep
[10:59] <fsphil|m> aaaah there it is
[11:00] <fsphil|m> it's a lot weaker than the rtty signal
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[11:03] <fsphil|m> got some text from it
[11:04] <Upu> I can hear it here
[11:04] <chembrow> whats the dial freq?
[11:04] Action: MNSP_ frustrated :(
[11:05] <Upu> 434.652.35
[11:05] <jonsowman> 434.65138
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[11:06] <Upu> almost getting decodes
[11:06] <MrCraig> hearing it but no decodes yet
[11:06] <chembrow> likewise. not even coming close. waterfall is crap
[11:07] <gm4jtj> to g4fev tnx dave
[11:08] <fsphil|m> lovely signal here from the rtty beacon
[11:09] <jonsowman> sucessfully decode from surrey on a whip!
[11:09] <jonsowman> *successful
[11:10] <fsphil|m> woo!
[11:10] <fsphil|m> 26km
[11:10] <fsphil|m> nice
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[11:11] <jonsowman> impressed with the frequency stability of this payload
[11:11] <fsphil|m> yea she's solid
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[11:12] <chembrow> any time I plug in my audio cable what signal I have goes to pot :(
[11:12] <NigeyS> stupid pc :(
[11:13] <MrCraig> how to dial the beacon?
[11:13] <MNSP_> same as chembrow, why I was asking about audio through earlier
[11:14] <fsphil|m> what happens the signal when you plug it in?
[11:15] <chembrow> through the scanner it's fairly clean. through the PC audio it's barely audible
[11:15] <fsphil|m> volume too high?
[11:15] <fsphil|m> if you're plugging it into a mic port
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[11:16] <fsphil|m> there's some amount of wasps up here
[11:17] <MrCraig> I wish I could use line in, the software doesn't detect it. When I use mic for some reason I get both the mic in line and the built in mic which then feeds back.
[11:17] <MrCraig> That is, if I listen to the signal while decoding
[11:18] <chembrow> does hell sound a bit like crickets?
[11:18] <fsphil|m> yea lol
[11:19] <chembrow> can just about make that out. I don't get the interference from the PC cable on 434.075, only on 434.650
[11:19] <fsphil|m> it's preceded by some morse code
[11:19] <MrCraig> I picked up $GAGA-1 and then junk agh
[11:20] <fsphil|m> if the line-in is causing trouble, maybe use the mic? place it close to the radio
[11:20] <fsphil|m> not ideal but I've done it a few times :)
[11:20] <jgrahamc> Thanks to everyone who's listening
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[11:21] <jgrahamc> Who's the furthest away?
[11:21] <jgrahamc> Looks like there's someone in Scotland. Is that right?
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[11:21] <MNSP_> she's not far from burst
[11:21] <NigeyS> probably Upu is furthest .. or phil
[11:21] <chembrow> I think my audio cable is picking interference up from something. when I come anywhere near the scanner with it the signal goes for a dump
[11:21] <jgrahamc> Might go higher as was 1500g balloon with a fairly light payload.
[11:22] <NigeyS> but he's on a huge hill so he's cheating ;)
[11:22] <fsphil|m> :p
[11:22] <fsphil|m> 533km according to dl-fldigi
[11:22] <NigeyS> i would listen jon, i re-reigged the yagi, but it appears to still be deaf :(
[11:22] <fsphil|m> 30km! excellent
[11:23] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: what was payload mass?
[11:23] <jgrahamc> 1202
[11:23] <jonsowman> I can adjust the dynamic predictor
[11:24] <jonsowman> 34143
[11:24] <jgrahamc> It was 1202g at the neck.
[11:24] <jonsowman> metres
[11:24] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 has passed 30km altitude and still ascending. For imperial units that's 100,000ft. [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/57041377715949568]
[11:25] <jonsowman> ok, refresh spacenear.us tracker
[11:25] <jonsowman> prediction updated
[11:25] <M0LEP> ...and into the western hemisphere.
[11:25] <chembrow> what setting should I use in fldigi for the hell beacon?
[11:27] <fsphil|m> ooh the payloads getting closer to me :)
[11:27] <gm4jtj> >>nigeyS my qth is 90meters!
[11:27] <Graham_G3VZV> i now have 30 degrees of elevation on my yagi!
[11:27] <MrCraig> oh wow, that thing is shifting
[11:27] <NigeyS> :O
[11:27] <MNSP_> am wondering whether to jump in motor and go for a look-see :o)
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[11:29] <fsphil|m> burst
[11:29] <jonsowman> really?
[11:29] <jonsowman> just got highest pos yet
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[11:29] <jonsowman> oh yes, so it has
[11:29] <M0LEP> Yep
[11:29] <fsphil|m> lol -- the sound changed
[11:29] <jonsowman> ah I see :)
[11:30] <fsphil|m> now lets see how far I can track this down
[11:30] <fsphil|m> bee!!!
[11:30] <fsphil|m> phew.. flew away
[11:30] <jonsowman> haha
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[11:30] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[11:30] <jgrahamc> What's the descent rate in the predictor? Looks like a long drop to me
[11:30] <fsphil|m> 26km already
[11:30] <fsphil|m> that's fast
[11:31] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: 5m/s
[11:31] <NigeyS> matt
[11:31] <NigeyS> :(
[11:31] <jgrahamc> Can you up it to 7m/s?
[11:31] <jonsowman> sure
[11:31] <NigeyS> wanna pop down next w/end? lol
[11:31] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: done
[11:32] <mattltm> Is anything in the air at the moment?
[11:32] <NigeyS> -51.5m/s jgrahamc
[11:32] <jonsowman> mattltm: GAGA-1 descending at the moment
[11:32] <NigeyS> gaga-1 is on its way down matt
[11:32] <fsphil|m> wow
[11:32] <jgrahamc> Yes, NigeyS
[11:32] <jgrahamc> No atmosphere :-)
[11:32] <NigeyS> 434.651.8 i think was last dial freq
[11:32] <fsphil|m> gravity wins again
[11:32] <NigeyS> gotta love gravity! woo
[11:32] <jonsowman> 434.65138 here
[11:32] <jgrahamc> Going to chase now
[11:32] <jgrahamc> bye
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[11:33] <jonsowman> good luck
[11:33] <jonsowman> too late.
[11:33] <mattltm> Got it :)
[11:33] <fsphil|m> 20km
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[11:33] <jonsowman> awesome flight path
[11:33] <fsphil|m> descent slowing down now
[11:33] <jonsowman> fsphil|m: better be!
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[11:33] <jonsowman> or there'll be a hole in cambridgeshire
[11:34] <fsphil|m> lol
[11:34] <fsphil|m> I'm glad I'm 530km away ....
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[11:34] <M0LEP> It is coming down rather fast...
[11:34] <fsphil|m> signal beginning to fade
[11:34] <jonsowman> it'll slow down
[11:34] <mattltm> NigeyS: Cant make it?
[11:34] <chembrow> I give up. nice solid signal on the scanner, but can't even see anything even vaguely like a signal in the waterfall.
[11:35] <MrCraig> having a similar issue chembrow
[11:35] <fsphil|m> 17km and still receiving. sweet
[11:35] <chembrow> MrCraig all I get is all blue or all yellow. and nothing approaching a signal form
[11:36] <jonsowman> still getting it here on a whip on my conservatory floor in surry
[11:36] <jonsowman> *surrey
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[11:36] <MrCraig> I'm seeing a signal in the waterfall but broken and a lot of noise, which is not unexpected on a whip in the midlands.
[11:37] <fsphil|m> fading fast here
[11:37] <chembrow> mrcraig not even that. which is odd as it is perfectly audible
[11:37] <MrCraig> if only I'd learned to read rtty manually, my hears can pick it up
[11:37] <fsphil|m> yagi just fell over
[11:37] <MrCraig> ears*
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[11:38] <mattltm> fsphil|m: you on the mountain?
[11:38] <fsphil|m> mattltm, yea!
[11:38] <fsphil|m> signal's fading very fast
[11:39] <mattltm> Fading in and out to me now.
[11:39] <fsphil|m> .... and it's gone
[11:39] <fsphil|m> the horizon is now in the way
[11:40] <fsphil|m> righty, I'm heading home
[11:40] <jonsowman> yep, that's it for me too
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[11:40] <MrCraig> fsphil|m: is it the horizon or the lip of the crater?
[11:41] <mattltm> MrCraig: he quits so fast!
[11:41] <MrCraig> lol
[11:41] <mattltm> Was going to ask him somthing :9
[11:42] <MrCraig> looks like it slowed nicely
[11:42] <M0LEP> He'll be back. ;)
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[11:42] <mattltm> lol. I was going to ask him if he had any HF gear up the mountain and if he wanted a chat :)
[11:43] <M0LEP> It must be strimmer time... QRM time... :/
[11:43] <mattltm> :(
[11:43] <mattltm> Still there for me but very weak.
[11:43] <Graham_G3VZV> still strong here - I have to go out but will leave the RX gear running:)
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[11:45] <mattltm> M0LEP: What yagi do you have?
[11:46] <M0LEP> A Diamond A430S10R
[11:46] <mattltm> Looks like it works very well :0
[11:47] <M0LEP> ...and RG-213 co-ax, and a SignaLink-USB to do the soundcard stuff.
[11:49] <sshuffty> Thats it for me... have to feed the kids.. :-) last spotted it at 8205..
[11:50] <sshuffty> doesnt look far off the prediction though does it!
[11:50] <chembrow> I wonder if a USB soundcard might have helped with my interference issue
[11:50] <mattltm> M0LEP: Sounds good.
[11:50] <NigeyS> mattltm, nope, ant's working that weekend :(
[11:50] <mattltm> Shame.
[11:51] <M0LEP> Some sort of isolation between PC and radio is a good idea. Big advantage is probably using the data out rather than the audio out.
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> You can also get USB isolators.
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> But that's probably overkill.
[11:52] <mattltm> I have an FT-857 and a digipro interface. Works very well.
[11:53] <chembrow> wht's the digipro?
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[11:54] <SpeedEvil> Coming down fast!
[11:54] <mattltm> Sorry. It's the digimaster...
[11:54] <mattltm> http://www.g4zlp.co.uk/unified/DM_MiniPRO.shtml
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> I make it ~2:1 slope. only another couple of Km to go
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> And trees.
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> Please - nice field, not trees.
[11:56] <chembrow> mattltm what does that do?
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[11:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:58] <mattltm> Its basicly an isolated soundcard and keyer.
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander> I MISSED THE ASCENT :(
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/adum3160/products/product.html
[11:58] <chembrow> what does it offer over a regular usb sound card?
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> (these are also available on ebay)
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> USB isolators
[11:59] <M0LEP> chembrow: Easy access to the transmit button, usually. ;)
[11:59] <M0LEP> Fading now...
[12:00] <chembrow> :) not an issue for me then, as I've not got a license (yet)
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> Woo - a diversion away from the trees.
[12:01] <M0LEP> LOS
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander> coming in a little fast
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[12:03] <SpeedEvil> Well - on the ground now I guess.
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[12:04] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Sunrise over the Thames estuary, by #apexhab #ukhas http://twitpic.com/4j7eg4 [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/57051249413066752]
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> so Apex II is of jonsowman
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> and artemis?
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> that was mrcraig, right?
[12:05] <jonsowman> correct
[12:05] <jonsowman> Apex II is not just me :)
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> but GAGA-1 beat artemis by 44 m
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:06] <MrCraig> Lunar_Lander: yes atemis-1
[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:07] <MrCraig> Looks like wind conditions were good today too, GAGA almost went home
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: I hope 44m isn't referring to the height of those trees.
[12:09] <mattltm> lol.
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[12:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[12:09] <Lunar_Lander> I meant the maximum altitude difference
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[12:16] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman ?
[12:18] <Lunar_Lander> and MrCraig could you please give me your website URL once more?
[12:18] <jonsowman> http://apexhab.org
[12:19] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> WOW!
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> that website is amazing
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> and awesome
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> and everything else
[12:21] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[12:21] <jonsowman> priyesh: ^^ is to be thanked for that!
[12:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:21] <jonsowman> he did all the website design
[12:21] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[12:21] <Lunar_Lander> well done priyesh
[12:21] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: thank you! :)
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[12:22] <russss> There's an article about HAB with rjharrison in this month's Spaceflight magazine
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:22] <russss> I was somewhat surprised to see while flicking through it
[12:23] <russss> http://www.spaceflightmagazine.com/pages/latest-issue.html
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander> so, the new site has everything from the hexoc site priyesh ?
[12:23] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: yes + more
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[12:24] <priyesh> jonsowman: Lunar_Lander we'll be putting write ups and media from yesterday's launch on there over the week
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> that is cool
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[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> the times on spacenear are UTC right?
[12:31] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: yes
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[12:32] <fsphil|m> home sweet home
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[12:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil|m
[12:34] <MNSP> hello all :)
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[12:35] <MNSP> gaga1, safely recovered?
[12:35] <fsphil|m> hiya Lunar_Lander
[12:35] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 sighted on ground in a field. [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/57059032564903936]
[12:35] <fsphil|m> lol
[12:35] <fsphil|m> good timing MNSP
[12:35] <MNSP> what?
[12:35] <fsphil|m> (the twitter message)
[12:35] <MNSP> oh i see
[12:35] <MNSP> excellent!
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[12:37] <fsphil> there we go
[12:37] <fsphil> for some reason X had crashed on my home pC
[12:40] <MNSP> wb :p
[12:40] <fsphil> nice to be back at 80m asl :)
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil and GAGA-1 also did the altitude record of the weekend
[12:41] <fsphil> lol
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> but do I get it right, that Bill also flew on saturday?
[12:41] <fsphil> true, I was possibly the highest person tracking it :)
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> APRS shows a flight of him on april 9
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool, how comes?
[12:43] Action: fsphil was up a mountain
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman and priyesh
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> the spacenear.us gives me a line called "light"
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> and then "281B0C0F3" for instance
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[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> what does that mean?
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[12:46] <fsphil> that's a brilliant flight path :)
[12:46] <fsphil> I don't see that Lunar_Lander
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander> on the spacenear tracker
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander> for Apex II
[12:47] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: looks like it's in hex (i think)
[12:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:47] <fsphil> oh, apex transmitted a lot more data
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> I think apex found the tropopause at 13.8 km
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> at least from there on the temperature climbs again
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> and also, there it makes its turn to the south again
[12:48] <Lunar_Lander> and it is amazing how artemis later paralleled the flight track
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> priyesh
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> that value I gave only gives "10765779187" in decimal
[12:50] <MNSP> do we know what "light" is Lunar?
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> I assumed it to be a photometer or so
[12:50] <MNSP> I see Light: 53331D252
[12:50] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: i think jonsowman will have a better answer for you
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> MNSP yes, I picked a value from out of the flight
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[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> from one of the flags you get when you click on the track
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[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi Shuffty
[12:51] <Shuffty> Hi Lunar.
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> -0.0398172
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> rr
[12:51] <MNSP> well that doeas make sense seeing as they were after sunrise shots
[12:52] <Shuffty> Successfully tracked a balloon - well chuffed.
[12:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> http://open.mapquestapi.com/elevation/v1/getElevationProfile?callback=handleHelloWorldResponse&shapeFormat=raw&latLngCollection=52.1482,-0.0398172,,,,
[12:52] <Shuffty> Lost it at 8000m ish.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> returns the elevation of the point in question (gaga 1 predicted spot in this case) - 38m
[12:52] <MNSP> well done shuffty, I got nada today
[12:53] <Shuffty> I'm just happy to know my gear actually works!
[12:53] <MNSP> what are you using?
[12:53] <Shuffty> :( I was trying to track the last one in LSB though, so might explain my problems
[12:54] <Shuffty> Ft790r & a yagi 7 el zl special
[12:59] <fsphil> eek
[12:59] <fsphil> LSB will work too but you need to click RV on dl-fldigi
[12:59] <fsphil> but .. simpler just to use USB
[12:59] <MNSP> so.... next flight is ;)
[13:01] <Shuffty> Cheers fsphil - good to know. :-)
[13:01] <fsphil> me :)
[13:01] <fsphil> hopefully
[13:02] <MNSP> hadie, yay!
[13:03] <fsphil> 300 baud though, the range won't be as good as these flights have been
[13:04] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: the light value is RRGGBBWWM
[13:04] <jonsowman> RR, GG, BB, WW and red, green, blue, white values in 8-bit hex
[13:05] <jonsowman> M is a decimal multiplier
[13:07] <MNSP> what was measuring it jonsowman?
[13:07] <jonsowman> MNSP: a TAOS photodiode
[13:07] <jonsowman> http://www.taosinc.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=25
[13:07] <jonsowman> or similar, haven't got exactly model number to hand
[13:10] <MNSP> hmmm interesting
[13:14] <griffonbot> @fsphil: Hellschreiber from GAGA-1: http://bit.ly/eFYdo4 - weak at this distance but some clear text showing through. #ukhas [http://twitter.com/fsphil/status/57068813392424960]
[13:14] <fsphil> yay, I can does twitter
[13:15] <fsphil> not sure why the last one I got was inverted
[13:16] <fsphil> ooh GAGA-1's been recovered
[13:17] <jonsowman> yup
[13:17] <fsphil> 100% success rate this weekend, fantastic
[13:17] <MNSP> no wet feet either :)
[13:19] <fsphil> brb, lunch time :)
[13:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah, thanks jonsowman!
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> I got wet feet
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> because I just showered
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:20] <MNSP> lol
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman and what is RSSI?
[13:27] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: received signal strength indicator
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah OK
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> so
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> 281B0C0F3
[13:27] <jonsowman> it's just an onboard ADC read from the radio receiver onboard
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> means red: 28, green: 2B, blue: 0C
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:27] <jonsowman> , white 0F
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> white: 0F
[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> that gives me
[13:28] <jonsowman> and multiply all those by 3
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> white: 15*3=45
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> blue: 12*3=36
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> green: 27*3=81
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> and red: 24*3=72
[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> right?
[13:29] <jonsowman> 0x28 = 40
[13:30] <jonsowman> 40 * 3 = 120
[13:30] <jonsowman> (rd)
[13:30] <jonsowman> *red
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[13:31] <Lunar_Lander> but green is still 81 right?
[13:32] <Lunar_Lander> and thank you :)
[13:35] <jonsowman> 27
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[13:35] <jonsowman> 0x1B = 27
[13:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah and then times 3
[13:37] <jonsowman> ah yes, 81 :)
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[13:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> interesting that RSSI always is quite small
[13:39] <jonsowman> we sent a couple of uplink packets
[13:39] <jonsowman> you'll find they have higher RSSI
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:39] <Lunar_Lander> so the small RSSI is just when nothing is received?
[13:40] <jonsowman> yup
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:41] <jonsowman> for example,
[13:41] <jonsowman> APEX,237,05:05:03,5202.8036,00023.8230,18857,027,138,06,-18.25,-44.75,01D,90B,00C8,00D3,5D4E22282,77,PING*DAB0
[13:41] <jonsowman> RSSI is 0x77, ie. 119 there
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> and one more question please
[13:42] <jonsowman> sure
[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> the light values, when decoded
[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> are these lux?
[13:43] <jonsowman> no
[13:43] <jonsowman> arbitrary until we calibrate the sensor :P
[13:43] <fsphil> jonsowman, what power did you use for uplink?
[13:44] <jonsowman> 5W handhelp
[13:44] <jonsowman> *held
[13:44] <fsphil> ah, not bad
[13:44] <fsphil> just a whip antenna?
[13:44] <jonsowman> with inbuilt whip in a moving car
[13:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:44] <jonsowman> ie. with a massive groundplane about it
[13:44] <jonsowman> *above
[13:44] <jonsowman> surprised it worked tbh
[13:44] <fsphil> did you try with lower powers?
[13:44] <jonsowman> nope
[13:45] <Upu> nice 33 data lines on a whip antenna sat inside whilst I was a tescos
[13:45] <fsphil> urg, big no no: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=eb2eebd6903b1df6278f039c03e3e4a129b2692f
[13:46] <fsphil> sweet Upu!
[13:46] <Upu> one day I'll actually be able to concentrate on recieving, go somewhere high and use a Yagi
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[13:46] <fsphil> yea, it's neat being up that high
[13:46] <Upu> nice flight path
[13:47] <fsphil> though I managed to scratch the car bumper coming back down
[13:47] <Upu> seriously considering putting the Yagi on the roof pointing towards cambridge
[13:48] <jonsowman> fsphil: oh dear.
[13:48] <jonsowman> (prediction)
[13:48] <fsphil> yea lol
[13:48] <fsphil> this is what the prediction was like last time too
[13:49] <fsphil> the notam lasts a month, so I can be patient this time
[13:49] <M0LEP> Aye, Belfast is not a good place to drop something into...
[13:50] <fsphil> depends on which bit lol
[13:50] <M0LEP> ...like Bettjamin and Slough.
[13:51] <fsphil> Slough?
[13:51] <fsphil> it sounds nice ...
[13:52] <M0LEP> The second line goes something like "It isn't fit for humans now."
[13:52] <fsphil> lol
[13:52] <fsphil> Not a place to stop in then?
[13:53] <fsphil> I've not been in too many cities or towns in England, beyond London, Brighton and Eastbourne
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> 3D27151A1
[13:55] <fsphil> oh and Luton
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> this means times 1 right?
[13:55] <jonsowman> yup
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[13:56] <fsphil> lol: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9354e5d0be5b87c808625eb6fb2e4e71e5b7f38d
[13:56] <fsphil> that was predicted before, but earlier in the week
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[14:10] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 photos look good. Flight computer battery pack lost battery on impact. Recovery computer powered but not working after impact. [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/57083012348776448]
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman strange thing is
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> that 9.06 mbars would correspond to an altitude of 31 km
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> and not 27.6
[14:17] <M0LEP> Oh.... "Impact" doesn't sound so good...
[14:17] <M0LEP> It did come down quite fast, though...
[14:18] Nick change: M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[14:18] <jonsowman> we had a camera fail on impact yesterday
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> the standard atmosphere sees 16.84 mbar for 27607 m
[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> ok bbl
[14:20] <LazyLeopard> Fail as in "doesn't work any more" or as in "turned itself off"?
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[14:20] <jonsowman> LazyLeopard: turn off - it still works
[14:21] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 descent very fast likely because lots of balloon remnants still attached adding greatly to weight. [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/57085881407913984]
[14:22] <LazyLeopard> GAGA-1 seems to have come down with quite a bump.
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[14:23] <MNSP> hello chaps :)
[14:23] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 fluorescent yellow capsule speeded recovery plus Ed Moore's eye sight excellent! [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/57086295066951680]
[14:24] <MNSP> after the my frustration with todays tracking, I was thinking... http://www.moonraker.eu/Amateur-Radio/Beam-and-Yagi-Antennas/ZL-Special-Yagi-Antenna/ZL7-70-70cm-7-ELEMENT-SPECIAL-YAGI-ANTENNA
[14:24] <MNSP> what do you reckon?
[14:26] <LazyLeopard> The ZL-Specials have fans, and folks who hate them. They have a phasing connection which is great if it's made correctly, and not great if it isn't...
[14:27] <NigeyS> well my 10 ele is deaf, so imnot gonna comment..lol#
[14:28] <MNSP> hmm ok, thanks
[14:28] <MNSP> so any reccomendations on others?
[14:29] <fsphil> GM4JTJ received the GAGA-1 signal from 530km away
[14:30] <NigeyS> phil, matt was thinking maybe the Rf module in this 790 is buggered
[14:30] <fsphil> eek
[14:30] <LazyLeopard> How far away were you, Phil?
[14:30] <NigeyS> it wouldnt even pick up the local repeater 24ft up
[14:30] <fsphil> 540km LazyLeopard -- though looking at the map I'm not sure how that works out -- GM4JTJ looks further away
[14:30] <fsphil> have you heard anything on it at all NigeyS?
[14:30] <jonsowman> nearly a record
[14:31] <LazyLeopard> Mercator projection playing tricks, I expect...
[14:31] <fsphil> I beat my own record with apex-ii this weekend jonsowman, got 563km
[14:31] <jonsowman> oh wow, well done!
[14:31] <NigeyS> nope, i had very very faint hints of rtty on occasion but nothing that moves the signal meter off 1
[14:31] <fsphil> that's weird
[14:31] <fsphil> definitely something busted -- thats with either antenna?
[14:32] <NigeyS> had my house mate on the roof slowly turning the yagi 360 degrees on the pole aswell and still nothing
[14:32] <jonsowman> fsphil: that's a UKHAS record I think?
[14:32] <NigeyS> i do get a bit more with the whip than the yagi
[14:32] <fsphil> jonsowman, it is :) the last one was 555
[14:32] <fsphil> that was with ALIEN-1
[14:32] <jonsowman> awesome
[14:32] <NigeyS> but overall, nothing that moves the signal meter
[14:32] <jonsowman> whereabouts were you?
[14:32] <fsphil> NigeyS, I can send you my FT790 if you want to compare
[14:33] <fsphil> jonsowman, for Apex-II -- in bed :) I had the radio in the attic, connected to the colinear on the roof
[14:33] <jonsowman> hehe
[14:33] <fsphil> used the laptop to control it remotely
[14:33] <jonsowman> excellent
[14:33] <NigeyS> might be a help, id like to eliminate the radio before buying a 10m mast and a vertical antenna
[14:33] <fsphil> don't blame you
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[14:34] <NigeyS> do you still have my address ?
[14:34] <fsphil> I think I do
[14:34] <NigeyS> oki, well let me know when, and how much delivery is so i can send you delivery cost
[14:34] <fsphil> no wait, you have my address
[14:35] <fsphil> email it
[14:35] <NigeyS> ah i do, i have your callsign link in my favourites
[14:36] <griffonbot> @apexhab: A new #ukhas telemetry distance record was set by MI6VIM yesterday -- 563km! #apexhab [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/57089567513260032]
[14:37] <fsphil> sweet
[14:37] <jonsowman> I am hugely impressed by that fsphil !
[14:37] <fsphil> I'm amazed myself, cause I'm not exactly in a sweet spot for receiving anything
[14:37] <fsphil> I suspect the atmosphere was helping
[14:37] <MNSP> I was down the road and got f*** all
[14:38] <jonsowman> hehe
[14:38] <NigeyS> clear blue skies phil ?
[14:38] <Upu> it is here
[14:38] <NigeyS> snap
[14:39] <NigeyS> had a lovely busy day, antenna rigging, tracking, cleaned up the garden and deweeded .. just about to mow the laun!
[14:39] <NigeyS> lawn*
[14:39] <fsphil> skies are a bit hazy, there's a thin layer of cloud but still very hot
[14:39] <fsphil> couldn't see much from the mountain at all
[14:39] Action: MNSP is drinking lemsip :(
[14:40] <NigeyS> this is our summer, its all we're gonna get ya know, few warm days in April, now its gonna rain and we'll have floods! lol
[14:40] <fsphil> urg
[14:40] <MNSP> oh dont say that, I've missed this weekend
[14:40] <NigeyS> jonsowman, how's the video looking from yesterday ?
[14:40] <NigeyS> lol woops
[14:40] <jonsowman> NigeyS: we're sharing it around at the moment, all 12GB of it!
[14:40] <NigeyS> 12Gb wow
[14:41] <fsphil> OOooh, you flew the GoPro?
[14:41] <NigeyS> if you need hosting for it
[14:41] <NigeyS> i have a server with unlimited bandwidth
[14:41] <jonsowman> fsphil: yep!
[14:41] <fsphil> looking forward to that!
[14:41] <jonsowman> NigeyS: it's mainly the fact that none of us have very fast upload speeds
[14:41] <MNSP> ooooo GoPros give such nice footage
[14:41] <jonsowman> so we're p2p'ing
[14:42] <NigeyS> ahh yeah thats the bitch with u.k broadband, i can download at 50Mb just fine, but 1.5Mb upload sucks !
[14:42] <jonsowman> I haven't really seen the footage yet, but it was a /very/ spinny flight
[14:42] <jonsowman> so we'll have to see how it turned out
[14:42] <NigeyS> is there any sort of .. easy fix to prevent some of the spinning ?
[14:42] <jonsowman> it's 720p 60fps
[14:42] <jonsowman> not really
[14:43] <jonsowman> we overfilled to keep it on land, which didn't help
[14:43] <NigeyS> i was thinking, for some of the ascent phase, adding like .. a pair of oars .. that kind of shape, would increase drag when spinning and slow the spin, but .. meh
[14:44] <fsphil> like the Horus wing?
[14:44] <NigeyS> oh not seen that ?
[14:44] <fsphil> the project horus guys have a length of polystyrene sticking out one side
[14:44] <NigeyS> ahh, well kina, think of a boat ore, but 1 either side
[14:45] <MNSP> surely any plane would be larger surface area for wind to bounce on?
[14:45] <fsphil> if the wind is going one direction, it will tend to blow the plane toward that direction
[14:45] <fsphil> may make the descent worse though!
[14:46] <NigeyS> MNSP, yep, as jonsowman no easy fix, im just thinking out loud, it probably would be very effective either due to the lack of "air" at altitude
[14:46] <NigeyS> wouldn't*
[14:46] <NigeyS> phil make some ores for hadie and be a guinea pig ;)
[14:46] <MNSP> was thinking similar nigeys but with servo controlled fins
[14:46] <fsphil> you can see it here: http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DSC_0281.jpg
[14:47] <fsphil> there's more then enough wind up there still :)
[14:47] <MNSP> like intelligent artillary uses
[14:47] <NigeyS> thats funky but i dont see it being very effective
[14:47] <NigeyS> MNSP, i see.. hmm
[14:47] <fsphil> ooh
[14:47] <MNSP> been thinking about that a while
[14:48] <NigeyS> im thinking a pole, through the payload box, out either side by a few feet, and a large rectangular bit of .. dunno .. something on both side at the end of the boom
[14:48] <MNSP> guided artilery uses a drogue which is why I keep asking about two stage recovery systems
[14:49] <NigeyS> think ice skater, in a spin with her arms out .. slows her down
[14:49] <MNSP> and speeds up when drawn in
[14:49] <NigeyS> ahhh thats funky!
[14:50] <fsphil> the next hadie flight will be nice and boring :)
[14:50] <NigeyS> lol
[14:50] <NigeyS> straight up, straight down, no faffinf round inbetween!
[14:50] <fsphil> I liked the hell beacon .. that's very tempting
[14:50] <Upu> only real men launch in gale force winds
[14:50] <MNSP> damn straight, none of this wet feet expectancy
[14:51] <fsphil> lol
[14:51] <NigeyS> lol upu
[14:51] <fsphil> the craziest launch conditions award has to go to stilldavid
[14:51] <NigeyS> Upu, what do you think of my ore idea ?
[14:51] <Upu> fsphil you're like the Ace Rimmer of the HAB world :)
[14:51] <fsphil> lol!
[14:51] <stilldavid> not sure if I like that award
[14:51] <NigeyS> haha hey stilldavid !
[14:51] <fsphil> It's all shiny though!
[14:52] <stilldavid> :-/
[14:52] <jonsowman> <3 Red Dwatf
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[14:52] <jonsowman> *Dwarf
[14:52] <Upu> well interesting as I want to put a camera on a boom
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[14:52] <stilldavid> does it come paired with "most stressful launch" as well?
[14:52] <Upu> which I hoped may stabilise it as well
[14:53] <NigeyS> Upu, i might give it some proper design thought, they key would be the beam, to much drag may rip the side off the payload box ...
[14:53] <Upu> if you really don't want it to to spin put a gyro in it
[14:53] <fsphil> ooor, attach the parachute to the payload box
[14:53] <Upu> even a flywheel of some sort
[14:53] <fsphil> on a long cord
[14:53] <stilldavid> I've looked into flywheels, and trying to keep them spinning
[14:53] <NigeyS> flywheel..hmm thats could work
[14:54] <fsphil> could be heavy
[14:54] <stilldavid> it takes a fairly large amount of mass spinning at a very fast speed
[14:54] <Upu> exactly
[14:54] <stilldavid> to have any reasonable effect
[14:55] <NigeyS> right off to mow the lawn, better get the cat off it before i start up the lawn mower *sigh*
[14:56] <fsphil> good luck
[14:56] <NigeyS> he tries chasing the dam thing
[14:56] <fsphil> lawn meower
[14:56] <NigeyS> lmao!!
[14:56] <NigeyS> bbs!
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[14:57] <MNSP> bbl
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[15:00] <mattltm> Im back :)
[15:01] <fsphil> re!
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[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> back for a bit
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman and priyesh
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> I got something for you :)
[15:08] <priyesh> hi Lunar_Lander
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/tracking-apex-ii-second-flight/
[15:09] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: just reading now
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[15:10] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: excellent!
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[15:10] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: excellent writeup
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> thank you :)
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> but the pressure sensor seems to be off
[15:11] <jonsowman> yes, it does
[15:12] <griffonbot> @apexhab: An excellent writeup from a #ukhas member http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/tracking-apex-ii-second-flight/ [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/57098744092561408]
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool thanks :D
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[15:26] <Lunar_Lander> hi Shuffty
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman this was the first time my blog was being twittered I think
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> :D thanks again
[15:27] <jonsowman> :) thank you for the writeup!
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome :)
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> I'm planning to do that for Artemis and GAGA as well
[15:28] <jonsowman> :)
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> and maybe about the strange pressure data
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> and I didn't mention the geiger counters, sorry :S
[15:28] <jonsowman> we will have our own launch writeups soon too
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> that is good :)
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> was there something special about the geigers?
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. were they vertical and horizontal or so
[15:29] <jonsowman> yup
[15:29] <jonsowman> one vertical, one horizontal
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:32] <Shuffty> Hey Launr
[15:32] <Shuffty> Lunar
[15:33] <Shuffty> Can I get a link to it please Lunar
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[15:34] <jonsowman> http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/tracking-apex-ii-second-flight/
[15:35] <Shuffty> Thanks jonsowman
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry I was in the bath
[15:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:49] <Shuffty> gutted... I tracked gaga1 up to 31959, but the next one failed and it was the max altitude... $$GAGA-1,10381,11:29:03,52.1230,-0.0789,32086,5.,1s~9,.6,64*0E
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[15:57] <fsphil> the last one will have been fading a bit more
[15:57] <fsphil> it was already falling as it was transmitting it
[15:57] <Shuffty> :-)
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[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> remember that thing about the energy harvesting?
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> the people who wrote about it want to fly that thing this summer
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> it is supposed to work with an temperature difference
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> LOL.
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> the first thing I did was raising my hand to my forehead...
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[16:09] <SpeedEvil> http://news.discovery.com/tech/new-car-engine-sends-shockwaves-through-auto-industry-110405.html
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> I have doubts.
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> but wait
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> A 25kw engine that beats large powerstation efficiencies.
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> that thing in the Toyota Prius that it charges the battery when braking
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Sod cars - that's fixed global warming overnight. (prettymuch)
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> isn't that also some kind of energy harvesting?
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> naah - it's not that.
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Energy recovering on braking is of course not invalid.
[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:13] <x-f> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[16:15] <fsphil> commagain?
[16:16] <Upu> i get what you did there
[16:16] <fsphil> I've already got my coat from last time
[16:17] <jonsowman> :P
[16:17] <Upu> indeed
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[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> they write this
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> "The daughter payload carries a 20m CW transmitter and a solar cell which is buffered by SuperCaps. A LiIon-batter is provided as a backup supply. Also, an Energy-Harvesting system which "harvests" energy from a temperature difference is tested."
[16:27] <russss> what temperature difference? :P
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> I have to call them and ask them what that thing is about
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Argh.
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> WTF is there no box on tesco online 'deliver my shopping in bags that are eco-raping polythene that do not degrade to buggery and can't be reused'.
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[16:56] <eroomde> afternoon all
[16:56] <jonsowman> hi eroomde
[16:56] <eroomde> thanks for your help today jonsowman
[16:57] <jonsowman> no problem, glad it all went well :)
[16:57] <eroomde> in the end we saw the flouresence of the payload box through the hedge row in front of it from a range of about 200m
[16:57] <jonsowman> wow, nice
[16:57] <eroomde> which re-inforces the message: make the payloads flourescent!
[16:57] <jonsowman> yes that seems to be a very good idea
[16:58] <jonsowman> bright chute helped us yesterday too
[16:59] <eroomde> yeah
[16:59] <eroomde> so are the pics up from yesterday?
[16:59] <jonsowman> some of them (see twitter), we're still sorting through about 20GB of data in total
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> hey btw
[17:00] <Lunar_Lander> who is "Howest" in belgium?
[17:00] <jonsowman> the payload was very spinny, so a lot of the images are blurry, but there are some good ones
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> did it really come down with 14 m/s?
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> that was astonishing
[17:02] <jonsowman> it came down pretty quick, balloon remains wrapped around chute shroud lines
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[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> ohok
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[17:16] <Shuffty> Nigeys
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[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> ttyl
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[17:31] <NigeyS> bbs!bk :D
[17:31] <NigeyS> oops
[17:31] <NigeyS> bk *
[17:32] <eroomde> yo NigeyS
[17:32] <NigeyS> hey ED
[17:32] <NigeyS> good work on recovery today :)
[17:32] <NigeyS> luckily mine is already flourescent pink lol
[17:37] <fsphil> might have the opposite to the intended effect though :)
[17:39] <NigeyS> ?
[17:40] <NigeyS> and that dam cat ran away from the lawnmower!
[17:40] <fsphil> [ot] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-q8Bl823qo
[17:42] <NigeyS> bloody nora
[17:43] <fsphil> We just don't get them like that here
[17:47] <NigeyS> nah we get wimpy storms here
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[17:56] <Upu> NigeyS sometimes pink was used as camoflague against the sky apparenty
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[17:56] <NigeyS> really?
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[18:04] <NigeyS> hey matt
[18:05] <mattltm> Hi :)
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[18:32] <griffonbot> @nearsys: A very sucessful flight. GeoHawk was launched in winds higher than I like but was safely recovered after reaching 71,098 feet. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/57148872195194880]
[18:33] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Nice that there were no trees this time. Recovery only took minutes. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/57149193407565824]
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[18:38] <griffonbot> @eastdakota: RT @jgrahamc: #ukhas GAGA-1 has passed 30km altitude and still ascending. For imperial units that's 100,000ft. [http://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/57150567956496384]
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[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi jonsowman I need one more info on the Apex II
[19:05] <jonsowman> sure
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> what model of pressure sensor did you use?
[19:07] <jonsowman> it's a Freescale free sample - Matt_soton will have the model number if anyone does
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[19:08] <Matt_soton> MPX6115 or something
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> thank you!
[19:09] <Matt_soton> only works to 100mb tho
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[19:10] <hibby> evening all
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[19:13] <stilldavid> found my radio's battery tray
[19:13] <stilldavid> saves $65 :)
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:14] <fsphil> sweet
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah Matt_soton
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> maybe because of that it was off at the maximum?
[19:15] <Matt_soton> yea we knew it had a miniuim pressure value
[19:15] <Matt_soton> ones to 0mb are much more expensive
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I know
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> did you do a vacuum test before?
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[19:16] <Matt_soton> no
[19:17] <Matt_soton> its written on thte datasheet
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:17] <Matt_soton> was also used by apex I, but i cant remember if we knew about the limit before launch
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> because I think about doing a vacuum test
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> and maybe someone in here has experience with that?
[19:18] <Matt_soton> im sure someone would hvae put their payload in a vacuum chamber...
[19:19] <jonsowman> we tested some parts of Apex I in a vacuum chamber
[19:19] <jonsowman> but not the pressure sensor
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:30] <Laurenceb> http://foia.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/hottel_guy_part01.pdf
[19:30] <Laurenceb> http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20041020033322/http://foia.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/hottel_guy_part01.pdf
[19:30] <Laurenceb> ^lul wtf
[19:31] <russss> it's still here, incidentally http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/at_download/file
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> russss
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> that energy harvesting thing I wrote about, I was told that it is a small Peltier element
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[20:40] <fsphil> it's going to be a small harvest
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah true
[20:47] <natrium42> o/
[20:47] <fsphil> hihi
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> :D when I had him on the phone
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> "When I get the remains of physics from the corners of my brain, I think that the efficiency will be quite small"
[20:50] <fsphil> I've seen a small Peltier used to power a radio, with a candle
[20:50] <fsphil> it wasn't very loud
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[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> LOL yeah
[20:54] <fsphil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Dak5UOjew
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[21:15] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: YouTube - Cryogenic Test Of Nylon Filament. Spoiler alert- it fails http://j.mp/ihZHCZ #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/57190060726034432]
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[21:16] <fsphil> small video I made from the mountain today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ua21FSnIXc
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> well fsphil
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> amazing that the radio works at least
[21:17] <fsphil> I can't believe the distance a 10mw radio can do :)
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> XD yeah+
[21:17] <Upu> I need a decent tripod
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> you see
[21:17] <jonsowman> good stuff fsphil
[21:18] <natrium42> fsphil: is it a new personal record?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> you know the HAM RADIO fair fsphil ?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> I met a professor of electrotechnics there who does a ham radio course as well
[21:18] <fsphil> I need a better tripod too -- a gust of wind blew that one over
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> when i told him "yea I want to use that NTX2 with 10 mW", he said "10 mW is far too less power"
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[21:19] <fsphil> natrium42, not this one, but I did beat my own record with Apex II
[21:20] <fsphil> I think it's the combination of low baud rate, and line-of-sight that makes it work Lunar_Lander
[21:20] <fsphil> 10mW would be far to little power for 1200 baud over those sorts of distances
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:20] <fsphil> or even 300 baud probably
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> and we use?
[21:20] <jonsowman> fsphil: I assume your record breaking apex packet was 50 baud?
[21:20] <fsphil> 50
[21:20] <Upu> was that distance @ 50 baud ?
[21:20] <Upu> rgr
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil so recap
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> we can't do CW
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> but we normally do RTTY
[21:21] <fsphil> jonsowman, yea! I tried a couple but failed, but I recorded the audio so I could try the others
[21:21] <fsphil> some of them where quite strong on the waterfall
[21:21] <jonsowman> fair enough :) did you get any 300 baud at all?
[21:21] <fsphil> fragments of text
[21:21] <jcoxon> evening
[21:21] <jonsowman> right
[21:21] <Upu> evening
[21:21] <fsphil> g'day jcoxon
[21:21] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[21:22] <fsphil> I must try that now actually
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> btw fsphil saw my blog on Apex IIB already?
[21:22] <fsphil> I've it opened, haven't read it yet
[21:22] <fsphil> went to have some food :)
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> hello all
[21:23] <Zupht0r> Hello Dan-K2VOL, how did hanging the payload go?
[21:23] <fsphil> evening Dan
[21:23] <Dan-K2VOL> oh haven't gotten to it yet just finishing documenting the cryo test that no one else was around to finish
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, awesome hell
[21:24] <Zupht0r> :(
[21:24] <jcoxon> pleased it worked
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon: http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/tracking-apex-ii-second-flight/
[21:24] <Zupht0r> Sorry Dan-K2VOL
[21:24] <fsphil> it worked pretty good jcoxon! a bit weaker than I expected, but considering the distance I'd say it was pretty fair
[21:24] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yeah i saw
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:24] <jcoxon> fsphil, it was a dipole rather than 1/4 wave
[21:25] <fsphil> the third one I recorded was a negative, not sure what was going on there.
[21:25] <jcoxon> there is something really cool about it
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> when it says "Sentence Uploading", it means spacenear.us?
[21:26] <Upu> if you're online yes
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw LOL at the pun in the video title
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> the Queen reference
[21:26] <jcoxon> hehe spacenear.us looks fun with all those tracks
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[21:26] <fsphil> I'm a sucker for puns :)
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> who is that guy in Belgium?
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> the green one
[21:27] <jcoxon> fsphil, next time i'll try a 1/4 GP
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> and something purple hangs from your car mirror fsphil
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:28] <fsphil> aah that's the smelly tree Lunar_Lander
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> LOL bee sounds like little vespa motor
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD bee makes a tasty lunch
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> did Bill Brown fly on Saturday as well?
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[21:37] <Shuffty> Nigeys - do you have a link for your t68 code?
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[21:53] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2010/08/19/fpslic-powered-led-matrix/
[21:53] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @fsphil: Hellschreiber from GAGA-1: http://bit.ly/eFYdo4 - weak at this distance but some clear text showing through. #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/57199570576347137]
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[21:57] <jcoxon> hey jgrahamc
[21:58] <jgrahamc> hey
[21:58] <jcoxon> sounds like a great success
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> so
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> CW not possible
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> RTTY normal mode
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> SSTV and Hellschreiber possible
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> right?
[22:00] <jgrahamc> yes, went really well. Photos are great. eroomde an absolute star
[22:00] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, CW is possible too
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi jgrahamc congratulations for the weekend's altitude record
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> oh?
[22:01] <jgrahamc> Was it a record for the weekend? Oh cool.
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah you went 44 m higher than artemis
[22:04] <fsphil> CW and Hellschreiber are quite similar .. just a question of timing
[22:06] <jgrahamc> BTW jcoxon Feld-Hell worked well.
[22:07] <jcoxon> great
[22:13] <jgrahamc> I have a screen shot of it being decoded.
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[22:14] <jgrahamc> Couple of photos: http://blog.jgc.org/2011/04/gaga-1-quick-post-flight-update.html
[22:14] <Dan-K2VOL> what's the GA GA stand for
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[22:15] <jgrahamc> It was kind of a pun on Yugi GAGArin who flew into space on April 12, 1961.
[22:15] <Dan-K2VOL> ahh
[22:16] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, will certainly fly the beacon again
[22:16] <fsphil> love the shot of the moon
[22:16] <jcoxon> hellschreiber is lots of fun
[22:16] <jgrahamc> There are a number of the moon. That one is lovely.
[22:16] <jgrahamc> Haven't had time to look through them all.
[22:16] <fsphil> don't blame you
[22:16] <jgrahamc> How can I download the log of uploaded sentences on the tracker?
[22:16] <Dan-K2VOL> very noble reference jgrahamc, sorry I keep thinking of lady Gaga every time :-P
[22:17] <fsphil> out of curiosity, how much memory did the pictures take up on the sd card?
[22:17] <jgrahamc> My original post last July when I decided to do this: http://blog.jgc.org/2010/07/gaga-1.html
[22:17] <fsphil> I keep thinking of Queen :)
[22:19] <natrium42> gaga!
[22:20] <Shuffty> anybody got experience with the t68 hookup?
[22:22] <jgrahamc> Thanks to natrium42 and jonsowman for fixing my XML at the last minute!
[22:22] <jgrahamc> And also thanks to all who tracked.
[22:22] <jgrahamc> Off to bed.
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[22:23] <jonsowman> no problems, congrats!
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[22:24] <fsphil> nice work jgrahamc, and g'night
[22:24] <jgrahamc> jcoxon: there a shot taken of your beacon just as the capsule began to fall. Beautiful in focus picture of it.
[22:24] <jcoxon> flickr!
[22:24] <fsphil> don't tell Upu ! :)
[22:24] <jgrahamc> Yes, I am going to upload everything to flickr.
[22:24] <jgrahamc> Later.
[22:25] <jgrahamc> Totally knackered.
[22:25] <jcoxon> night
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[22:25] <fsphil> busiest weekend ever that
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[22:26] <jcoxon> and typically i'm on call
[22:26] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> but do you know what?
[22:30] <fsphil> well you still got to fly something, not bad going ;)
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> those 49 views on my blog
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> wordpress says, this is an increas of +4800%!
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> +e
[22:31] <fsphil> ooh this would be ideal: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=a6c6daa0543e194939de11c7281acb942a762322
[22:31] <fsphil> this-morning the same prediction had it landing in Belfast
[22:32] <jonsowman> nice :)
[22:33] <fsphil> if it stays like that I'll definitely be launching
[22:34] <fsphil> just very slightly going over the border .. I'm sure they won't mind :)
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:35] <fsphil> I get the impression the IAA don't really care about these sorts of things
[22:35] <jcoxon> oh i thought they did
[22:35] <jcoxon> they certainly won't give permission for a launch in IRE
[22:35] <fsphil> really?
[22:36] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:36] <jcoxon> i remember someone trying
[22:37] <fsphil> I didn't know that - explains why I haven't heard of any launches down there
[22:37] <jcoxon> they were perticularly annoying
[22:37] <jcoxon> he requested permission and they required loads of stuff
[22:38] <fsphil> There version of David Miller is almost impossible to contact a lot of the time
[22:39] <fsphil> When I emailed him about it he asked me to phone him ... and on the phone he asked me to email the details
[22:39] <jcoxon> haha
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[22:41] <fsphil> there's not much you can tell them really .. it may or may not go that way, and if it does it'll be really high up by the time it gets there
[22:43] <fsphil> Dan-K2VOL, didn't you mention something about small balloons not needing permission to cross borders?
[22:45] <Dan-K2VOL> that's correct fsphil, let me get you the ICAO reference
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=faa:general_info#icao
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> see footnote 1
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> for citation
[22:46] <fsphil> thanks, will have a good read through that
[22:46] <Dan-K2VOL> "We are complying with ICAO Rules of the Air Annex 2, 3.19 and Appendix 4: Unmanned Free Balloons.http://wiki.whitestarballoon.com/doku.php?id=faa:general_info#fn__1. The SpeedBall constant-altitude balloon is ICAO classified at launch as a medium unmanned free balloon. Before arriving at another continent or landmass, the balloon will have dropped enough weight to be classified as light unmanned free balloon. Being in the light class removes the leg
[22:47] <Shuffty> cana anybody with t68 experience spare me a moment..
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> sorry shuffty I don't I think nigelMoby does, see if he wakes up
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> !ping NigelMoby
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> not sure if that does anything
[22:48] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:49] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, the command you are looking for is !summon
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks
[22:49] <jcoxon> but i doubt zeusbot has the power to summon him
[22:49] <jcoxon> can only summon a few people
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> gotcha
[22:49] <jcoxon> yeah didn't work
[22:49] <natrium42> but don't abuse it!
[22:50] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[22:50] <natrium42> rite, jcoxon? :P
[22:50] <jcoxon> please don't abuse it
[22:50] Action: natrium42 has been guilty of it in the past
[22:50] <jcoxon> oh if one would like to be able to be summoned get in touch
[22:50] <Dan-K2VOL> hahaha
[22:50] <jcoxon> indeed so
[22:50] <jcoxon> natrium42 goes a bit summoning crazy
[22:50] <jcoxon> he is very demanding
[22:50] <Dan-K2VOL> what is considered abuse? I don't usually touch IRC commands in naughty places
[22:50] <natrium42> ^
[22:51] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[22:51] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: you can summon the devil and it will summon jcoxon
[22:51] <fsphil> lol
[22:51] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[22:51] <jcoxon> actually it will
[22:52] <Dan-K2VOL> ttyl gotta reboot from OSX into XP
[22:53] <fsphil> the devils own OS
[22:56] <natrium42> noooo
[22:56] <Dan-K2VOL> bye bye aqua world
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[22:57] <Shuffty> Yay - more success - got my t68 talking now.. not far off trying to get everything working at once! :-)
[22:58] <fsphil> sweet!
[22:59] <natrium42> nice one, Shuffty
[23:01] <natrium42> Shuffty: so what's the ETA? :)
[23:07] <fsphil> sms backup is a great idea
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[23:40] <Shuffty> sorry natrium42 - was distracted trying to sort some code...
[23:41] <natrium42> np
[23:41] <Shuffty> No eta as of yet - the sooner the better - as soon as everything is ready and I've sorted out permission etc
[23:41] <natrium42> where do you plan to launch from?
[23:42] <Shuffty> I want to be at a stage where I can see the end before I send off my forms... Also not sure where I'd like to launch from at the moment.. want to ensure I don't land it on somebodies roof!
[23:43] <Shuffty> Quite fancy the idea of the yorkshire dales... but am worried that I might end up with n cell signal when it lands
[23:43] <Shuffty> So might end up heading to the flat lands of the SE
[23:46] <natrium42> are you far from cambridge?
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> Shuffty and natrium42 http://winzenflyer.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/tracking-apex-ii-second-flight/
[23:46] <Shuffty> I read that earlier... nice :-)
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:50] <natrium42> good writeup
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks natrium42
[23:50] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander is our dedicated bibliographer :D
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[23:50] <natrium42> bbl, bbq
[23:51] <Shuffty> :-)
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> it still is quite amazing to me that we can even do stuff like SSTV when we only use our NTX2
[23:59] <hibby> lol
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