highaltitude.log.20110409

[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> XD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90VyvOhPmA0&feature=related
[00:06] <natrium42> hi Matt_soton
[00:06] <Matt_soton> is chase car working on the tracker and listener?
[00:07] <natrium42> umm, you mean through dl-fldigi?
[00:09] <Matt_soton> through Randomskk 's script
[00:09] <Matt_soton> tunnel..
[00:09] <Shuffty> nigeys - have you documented the pinouts etc for the t68 connection to your?
[00:10] <NigeyS> no, but danielrichman has, lets me get the link for you ..
[00:10] <NigeyS> http://alienproject.wordpress.com/page/2/
[00:10] <natrium42> Matt_soton: i haven't seen his script, got a link?
[00:10] <NigeyS> about 2/3rds down is a link to the pinouts page etc
[00:11] <natrium42> Matt_soton: it it talks to spacenear.us directly, it should work
[00:11] <natrium42> *if
[00:11] <NigeyS> you'll also need a voltage divider for the tx pin as it only requires 2.7v
[00:11] <Matt_soton> natrium42: ok thanks just gonna try it
[00:12] <Shuffty> Hmmm - voltage divider... *digs out electronics manual 101
[00:12] <Matt_soton> ok we cant gps is in the boot
[00:12] <Shuffty> Thanks nigeys
[00:13] <NigeyS> Matt_soton, put jon in the boot with an antenna hanging out, he wont mind..lol
[00:13] <NigeyS> np, i'll do a write up over the w/end for you
[00:14] <Matt_soton> jons driving...
[00:15] <NigeyS> ahh dam lol
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[00:17] <NigeyS> zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuph hey dude!
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[00:27] <natrium42> uh wat, apex is driving along M25
[00:28] <Shuffty> typical - no 2k7 resistors left... :-(
[00:29] <NigeyS> yeah natrium42 theyre driving to churchill i think
[00:30] <natrium42> NigeyS: isn't it 1am in the night?
[00:30] <NigeyS> 1:30am
[00:30] <natrium42> right
[00:30] <natrium42> early launch, eh?
[00:30] <NigeyS> so im gonna go get couple of hours kip before launch
[00:30] <NigeyS> very!
[00:30] <NigeyS> 4:50am i think
[00:30] <natrium42> i'll get prediction data closer to launch
[00:31] <NigeyS> sweet!
[00:31] <NigeyS> bbiab
[00:31] <natrium42> k
[00:31] <NigeyS> with coffee and bacon sarnies for all :D !
[00:31] Nick change: NigeyS -> Nigey|AFK
[00:31] <Shuffty> I'll be here.. going to see if I can pick it up this time...
[00:37] <Matt_soton> just had to change its batteries
[00:38] <Matt_soton> the old ones were from the last launch and all testing inbetween
[00:45] <benoxley> hi natrium42, just trying to find out for jonsowman what form the upload string for the chase care tracker needs to be in
[00:45] <Darkside> benoxley: hold up
[00:45] <Darkside> also fldigi does that now
[00:45] <Darkside> dlfldigi i mean
[00:45] <benoxley> this is to pull gps data via python for the chase car
[00:46] <Darkside> eh?
[00:46] <Darkside> so not plotting the chase cars position on spacenear.us?
[00:46] <Darkside> because dl-fldigi will do that
[00:47] <benoxley> it's a serial gps
[00:47] <Darkside> and dl-fldigi will do that
[00:47] <benoxley> and the python script ran perfectly last time for it
[00:48] <benoxley> i'll try it but i think we had major problems with it last time
[00:48] <Darkside> String reqUrl = "http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.php?vehicle=" + name + "&time=" + hours + minutes + seconds + "&lat=" + lat + "&lon=" + lon + "&speed=" + speed + "&pass=" + trackerPass;
[00:48] <benoxley> thanks :)
[00:48] <Darkside> the problem with the lan and lon is i think it needs it in NMEA format
[00:48] <Darkside> like 13845.678
[00:48] <benoxley> okay
[00:49] <Darkside> not 100% sure
[00:49] <benoxley> going to give it a test
[00:49] <benoxley> ..
[00:51] <natrium42> NMEA or decimal format
[00:51] <natrium42> it autodetects
[00:51] <Darkside> oh cool
[00:51] <Darkside> didn't know about that
[00:52] <natrium42> :)
[00:52] <natrium42> if it sees NESW, it uses NMEA
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[00:58] <benoxley> hmmm
[00:58] <benoxley> going to give it a proper go once I can get the gps out the boot and have a play
[01:00] <benoxley> coming in to cam now, thanks for the help and I'll speak to you later
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[01:05] <natrium42> yo W0OTM-iPad
[01:06] <W0OTM-iPad> Yo yo
[01:06] <W0OTM-iPad> I'm in Branson, MO
[01:06] <W0OTM-iPad> QRP OzarkCon
[01:06] <W0OTM-iPad> I'm presenting on iHAB in the morning
[01:07] <natrium42> neat
[01:07] <W0OTM-iPad> Should be good time
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[01:48] <griffonbot> @apexhab: Arrived at Churchill College, Cambridge for setting up of launch. #apexhab #ukhas http://myloc.me/j7Uiv [http://twitter.com/apexhab/status/56533971332374528]
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[02:39] <natrium42> uh, oh, griffonbot quit
[02:39] <Zuph> oh noes
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[02:53] <natrium42> Zuph: staying up for this launch?
[02:54] <Zuph> What time's the launch?
[02:54] <natrium42> in 1 hour
[02:54] <Zuph> I guess I am. Wasn't going to do it for the launch, though :-p
[02:54] <Dan-K2VOL> haha I'm here too!
[02:55] <natrium42> oh, hi dan
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[02:55] <Dan-K2VOL> just got back here with SpeedBall-1
[02:55] <Dan-K2VOL> from the RF test parking lot
[02:56] <Zuph> J-pole works great, btw
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[02:56] <Zuph> Untune helical worked better than perfectly tuned dipole
[02:57] <natrium42> neat, so antenna is sorted then?
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[03:14] <Zuph> Sorted as its going to get
[03:14] <Zuph> Unless the jet stream dissolves and we have another year to buy an analyzer :)
[03:19] <natrium42> excellent
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[03:37] <Nigey|AFK> someone better have the kettle on !
[03:52] <Nigey|AFK> ahh thats better, coffee, check .. bacon sandwich .. check
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[04:07] <NigeyS> ping fsphil get out of bed you lazy git :P
[04:07] <fsphil> no :p I'm using a laptop
[04:07] <NigeyS> haha i knew it !!
[04:07] <NigeyS> ive emailed you a bcaon sarnie :P
[04:08] <NigeyS> bacon*
[04:11] <fsphil> aah if only :)
[04:12] <NigeyS> hehe
[04:17] <fsphil> hmm.. the bot's broke again
[04:17] <NigeyS> yups
[04:18] <fsphil> not sure I'd like to be doing all this in the dark
[04:18] <fsphil> launched
[04:19] <Dan-K2VOL> fsphil it is lousy
[04:19] <Dan-K2VOL> to launch in the dark
[04:20] <NigeyS> be a right arseache!
[04:20] <NigeyS> hey dan :)
[04:20] <Dan-K2VOL> hi NigeyS you to bed and up again already?
[04:20] <fsphil> 1km already
[04:20] <NigeyS> yups, 2 hours kip .. hardcore me..lol
[04:20] <NigeyS> blimey theire caning the ascent rate
[04:21] <fsphil> 5m/s
[04:24] <fsphil> aah, 6m/s now. that's better
[04:25] <fsphil> predictions on the dry side of the coast now
[04:25] <Darkside> fsphil: IRD
[04:25] <Darkside> is that a radiation detector?
[04:26] <NigeyS> yups
[04:26] <Darkside> oh cool
[04:26] <NigeyS> fingers crossed the 2 of them work this time
[04:27] <Darkside> NaN lol
[04:27] <NigeyS> eek
[04:28] <Darkside> back to normal now
[04:30] <fsphil> they kind of worked last time didn't they?
[04:30] <fsphil> you might start to hear the signal now NigeyS
[04:31] <NigeyS> yup gonna jump out the garden soon as i finish ma coffee
[04:32] <Darkside> hmm
[04:32] <Darkside> so, to people in the UK
[04:32] <Darkside> how hard is to get places?
[04:32] <Darkside> like, are there trains between major cities?
[04:32] <priyesh> hi all
[04:33] <Darkside> i.e. would i be able to get from bath to london for a day trip?
[04:33] <NigeyS> very easy DS public transport isnt great but you can easily get froma>B on it
[04:33] <Darkside> cool
[04:34] <fsphil> trains are not always too cheap though
[04:34] <Darkside> ah
[04:35] <Darkside> i just figure if i'm going to be in the UK for 4 months, i should make the most of it
[04:35] <fsphil> definitely
[04:35] <NigeyS> i hear it even without the yagi :o
[04:35] <fsphil> lol
[04:35] <Dan-K2VOL> hey guys is there an online lift calculator these days?
[04:36] <Darkside> i hope there will be some balloon launches while i;m there :)
[04:36] <Darkside> will have to come along for a few :P
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[04:43] <priyesh> spacenear.us tracker not picking up recent apex packets
[04:44] <GW8RAK> Morning All, bit quiet on here this morning.
[04:44] <natrium42> is crc correct?
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[04:47] <Matt_soton> lol antenna in the wrong port
[04:47] <GW8RAK> oops
[04:47] <Matt_soton> picked up alot still yjoho
[04:49] <fsphil> silly internets
[04:49] <fsphil> she's rocketing up now
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[04:51] <fsphil> what's the current dial freq.?
[04:53] <NigeyS> not a sausage :(
[04:53] <NigeyS> knew i shuldve rigged it to that washing line pole :(
[04:54] <Matt_soton> pinged it
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[05:06] <GW8RAK> May be getting something on 434.072.7
[05:06] <GW8RAK> Very weak, but that could just be the scanner
[05:06] <fsphil> unusually high freq
[05:07] <fsphil> ER, LOW
[05:07] <NigeyS> sod it i may look a plank but im going out the front brb lol
[05:07] <fsphil> er, caps
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[05:09] <fsphil> got it
[05:09] <Matt_soton> our radio is at 434.076.37
[05:09] <fsphil> JUST ABOUT
[05:09] <Matt_soton> carrier shift is now 350
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[05:09] <natrium42> hmm, somebody messed with the dl-server
[05:10] <fsphil> yea
[05:10] <natrium42> now it doesn't send reports from all listeners for each position
[05:10] <natrium42> only the first one
[05:11] <fsphil> hehe, love the ntx2 powering up
[05:12] <fsphil> almost got a line
[05:12] <GW8RAK> 434.0729 here, but with reduced shift
[05:12] <fsphil> APEX,254,?_?11:38,5200.3526,0?024.5771,21512,,,,,,,,,,,*78D9
[05:12] <Matt_soton> the dl must be owrking to an extent as we're retriving data into mappoint
[05:12] <m0lep> Odd. And 'cos the 50 baud lines come in at a different time, sometimes that's mine (with no sensor values)
[05:12] <Matt_soton> yea 50 is position only6
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[05:13] <natrium42> Matt_soton: yeah, somebody just reverted to an older version or something
[05:13] <fsphil> cool, you've got pre-amble ;0
[05:13] <natrium42> it used to filter out duplicates in the past
[05:13] <Matt_soton> indeed
[05:14] <m0lep> I'm finding the 300 is less than 100% decodable...
[05:14] <Matt_soton> the launch was interesting, the string we were using to hoist the balloon up snapped and was a very unexpected launch
[05:14] <GW8RAK> Finger trouble at this end. The scanner said LSB and low freuqnecy, but the 726 says 434.0767
[05:14] <m0lep> I can decode 50 no problem, but the 300 gives errors every time.
[05:14] <fsphil> NOT EVEN GOING TO ATTEMPT THE 300 BAUD ONE HERE
[05:14] <GW8RAK> And just got the first line
[05:14] <fsphil> AAARH, WHY AM i SHOUTING
[05:15] <GW8RAK> I DON'T KNOW
[05:15] <fsphil> CAPS LOCK IS STUCK
[05:15] <fsphil> getting partical strings
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[05:16] <m0lep> The 300 looks clean enough on the waterfall, but it doesn't quite decode...
[05:17] <fsphil> APEX,266,05:_6?03,5159.2782,00825?_860,23491,,,,,,,,,,,*F4AB
[05:17] <fsphil> so close
[05:18] <GW8RAK> 300 baud is much harder to decode
[05:18] <GW8RAK> Getting snippets here
[05:18] <natrium42> what's the expected burst alt?
[05:19] <Matt_soton> low
[05:20] <GW8RAK> Very weak signals here now
[05:21] <GW8RAK> Which could be a propogation problem
[05:21] <GW8RAK> effect rather
[05:23] <fsphil> my wifi is rubbish today
[05:23] <fsphil> got one!
[05:24] <m0lep> I'm quite a bit closer, but 300 is still giving garbage...
[05:24] <Matt_soton> :D
[05:24] <m0lep> Yay!
[05:24] <Matt_soton> radiation snesors died again
[05:24] <natrium42> fsphil: what's the distance
[05:25] <m0lep> Also, I wish the receive filter bandwidth would stay at the value I set would stay where it was, and not re-adjust itself every time I tweak, say, shift...
[05:25] <fsphil> not sure, the ccalculaor thingy hasn@t workedaaarh vnc is rubbish!!!
[05:25] <natrium42> :S
[05:26] <fsphil> burst?
[05:26] <fsphil> it sounds like its falling
[05:26] <m0lep> Whoah! Wobbly signal time!
[05:27] <fsphil> wow, the signal just disappeared within a few seconds
[05:27] <Matt_soton> burst
[05:27] <m0lep> ... and no position in the last line I got, either...
[05:28] <natrium42> temperature decreasing again
[05:28] <natrium42> :D
[05:28] <m0lep> That one had one, though. ;)
[05:29] <m0lep> ...and then that one didn't. Hmmm.
[05:31] <m0lep> ...and then altitude but no position...
[05:32] <fsphil> apex uses the funky gps coord format?
[05:32] <natrium42> no, that was skypod
[05:32] <fsphil> oh now my caps lock behaves
[05:33] <fsphil> and the wifi works again
[05:33] <fsphil> I mean the silly hhdd.dddd format
[05:34] <fsphil> oh, it's ddhh.hhhh
[05:37] <m0lep> dl-fldigi doesn't do the right thing with it... or at least not on my system.
[05:37] <NigeyS> meh not picked it up here :(
[05:37] <NigeyS> to many walls!
[05:38] <natrium42> it's just another brick in the wall
[05:38] <NigeyS> lol
[05:39] <fsphil> 563.49km apparantly
[05:39] <fsphil> woo
[05:39] <fsphil> and my caps lock has failed again
[05:40] <fsphil> GRR
[05:40] <NigeyS> lol
[05:41] <natrium42> caps lock = cruise control for the internet
[05:41] <NigeyS> oh aye
[05:41] <NigeyS> wonder why thos ird's failed again :(
[05:41] <fsphil> caps isn@t even on, but vnc thinks it is
[05:41] <NigeyS> lol
[05:42] <fsphil> i have to hold down shift or i@m be all shouty :)
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[05:42] <natrium42> HI DUTCH-MILL
[05:42] <DUTCH-MILL> Morning
[05:42] <fsphil> it spreads!
[05:42] <NigeyS> morning Dutch dude
[05:43] <fsphil> hIYA DUTCH-MILL
[05:43] <NigeyS> see what you've started phil lol
[05:43] <fsphil> lol
[05:43] <natrium42> je hebt geen caps lock
[05:43] <DUTCH-MILL> Just missed ApexII signals too weak
[05:44] <NigeyS> same here :/
[05:44] <fsphil> DUTCH-MILL, just got one here
[05:44] <DUTCH-MILL> ja wel hoor ;-)
[05:44] <NigeyS> to many brick walls i tell ya, need a sledge hammer
[05:44] <NigeyS> not as if next door need their roof anyway
[05:44] <m0lep> Do the 300-baud ones have a decent preamble, or do they go straight in with $$?
[05:45] <NigeyS> hmm good Q .. ive no idea
[05:45] <fsphil> i'VE REcorded some of the 300 baud onces, will try decoding them later
[05:45] <fsphil> but i really doubt it
[05:45] <fsphil> struggled with 50 baud at this distance
[05:46] <NigeyS> how the heck did you hear it, and me not?!
[05:46] <NigeyS> you got ure yagi on a 100ft pole mr ?!
[05:46] <fsphil> not even a yagi, just the colinear
[05:46] <NigeyS> hmm
[05:47] <fsphil> i suspect there's some kind of atmospheric propagation going on
[05:47] <NigeyS> we are at k3
[05:47] <fsphil> some flights are easier than others
[05:47] <NigeyS> well ive tested the yagi, me and matt spent ages rewiring it and stuff, seriously wondering if the radios a bit iffy
[05:48] <NigeyS> cant even get the locall repeater
[05:48] <fsphil> did you hear anything?
[05:48] <Darkside> hmm
[05:48] <NigeyS> i heard more in here with the fixed whip than i did with the yagi
[05:48] <Darkside> i should call you guys on the IRLP at some point
[05:49] <fsphil> are you higher up in the house?
[05:49] <NigeyS> upstairs yeah
[05:49] <fsphil> at these frequencies height is everything
[05:49] <NigeyS> ill have to get the yagi on top of that pole later and try with atemis flight
[05:50] <NigeyS> artemis*
[05:50] <NigeyS> IRLP Darkside ?
[05:50] <fsphil> RIGHTY, SLEEP!
[05:50] <fsphil> ack
[05:51] <Darkside> NigeyS: IRLP!
[05:51] <Darkside> internet repeater linking project
[05:51] <NigeyS> ooo
[05:51] <Darkside> NigeyS: you have a ham license?
[05:51] <NigeyS> lol phil catchya later dude
[05:51] <NigeyS> not yet, ill do the foundation at some point in the summer though
[05:52] <Darkside> ok
[05:53] <m0lep> LOS.
[05:53] <m0lep> Faded to nothing. Silence is complete.
[05:54] <DUTCH-MILL> 73' @all waiting for the next one
[05:54] <NigeyS> DUTCH-MILL, :D another 1 later today
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[05:57] <NigeyS> a nice field landing by the looks of it
[05:58] <danielsaul> Anyone know the coordinates??? We've got no idea where it is
[05:58] <natrium42> lasr position on tracker is 51.842007,0.567523
[05:59] <NigeyS> its gonna be somewhere near pole lane
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[06:06] <natrium42> ooh, new location
[06:06] <natrium42> danielsaul: 51.842337,0.558517
[06:06] <natrium42> right on prediction
[06:11] <NigeyS> hah i was almost bang on, its in green lane off pole lane
[06:14] <Upu> morning
[06:14] <Upu> and down already nice one
[06:15] <NigeyS> hey upu
[06:18] <SamSilver> was sooo on the money, could have put up a reserved parking sign "Reserved ApexII"
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[06:23] <jgrahamc> Guess I've missed all the APEX action :-(
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[06:31] <Upu> do Artemis next then
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[06:36] <jcoxon> morning all
[06:37] <jgrahamc> Morning
[06:37] <jcoxon> launch go well for apex?
[06:37] <Upu> seems so
[06:37] <jcoxon> a bit early really :-p
[06:37] <Upu> Didn't hear it from here
[06:38] <Upu> yeah I was still in bed when it landed :)
[06:38] <Upu> mind you can't wait to see the pictures
[06:38] <Upu> the way I see it is they got up early so I don't have too :)
[06:38] <jcoxon> who is launching later?
[06:39] <Upu> Artemis I think
[06:39] <Upu> around midday
[06:39] <Upu> more socialable time
[06:41] <jcoxon> so has dl-fldigi/spacenear.us been grumpy recently
[06:42] <jcoxon> not posting packets etc
[06:42] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
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[07:07] <jcoxon> ping jgrahamc
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[07:13] <MrCraig> Morning all
[07:13] <jcoxon> morning MrCraig
[07:13] <MrCraig> Is there any news on Apex?
[07:13] <jcoxon> twitter says - recovered
[07:13] <MrCraig> awesome :-)
[07:14] <MrCraig> Are you with the team jcoxon?
[07:14] <jgrahamc> pong jcoxon
[07:15] <jcoxon> MrCraig, gosh no
[07:15] <jcoxon> i'm off to work in 45mins
[07:16] <MrCraig> ack :-/
[07:16] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, in the post - saturday guaranteed
[07:16] <MrCraig> I just arrived on site, but waiting for another to arrive
[07:16] <jcoxon> cool cool
[07:16] <jcoxon> who is helping you with the launch?
[07:16] <jcoxon> from teh cusf guys that it?
[07:17] <jgrahamc> OK, jcoxon. My wife should be around this morning in the house to receive it as long as the postman doesn't arrive too late. Will leave a note on the door for him to leave it if we are not here.
[07:17] <MrCraig> yeah the cusf guys are helping, or at least jon anyway
[07:18] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, the risk is that they'll want an signature for it! lets just hope it arrives on time
[07:18] <jcoxon> if not don't worry about it - my fault for posting it so late
[07:19] <jgrahamc> We are on very good terms with the postman so I expect he'll help us out.
[07:19] <MrCraig> ok, off to give some dl-fldigi training :-) back later
[07:19] <jcoxon> fair enough
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[07:20] <jgrahamc> If it doesn't arrive in time then I guess I'll have an excuse for GAGA-2
[07:20] <jcoxon> hehe - i hope you have an excuse for GAGA-2 already
[07:20] <jcoxon> depending on the weather i think i might launch next weekend
[07:20] <jcoxon> if people are around
[07:22] <jgrahamc> I'm sure I'll find an excuse
[07:23] <jcoxon> SSTV, uplinks, balloon-balloon network, long duration flights
[07:24] <jgrahamc> I agree. Tons of fun things to do!
[07:25] <jcoxon> currently working on getting ukhas a new launch site in mid-suffolk
[07:25] <jcoxon> to give us some good west and NW trajectories
[07:29] <jgrahamc> Thinking about bringing an HT with me tomorrow. Any good repeaters in the area?
[07:29] <jcoxon> G3PYE
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[07:35] <jgrahamc> Tanks
[07:35] <jgrahamc> Thanks
[07:35] <jcoxon> bbl
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[07:52] <benoxley> apex II is on the ground :)
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[07:58] <mattltm> Morning :)
[08:00] <SamSilver> howdy
[08:01] <mattltm> hi SamSilver
[08:02] <mattltm> Did you catch the early launch?
[08:03] <SamSilver> I did , I am in SA south africa , was not so early for me
[08:03] <SamSilver> BST pluss 1 hour is my local time
[08:03] <mattltm> Ah. Very good. I was in sleepy town! How did it go?
[08:04] <SamSilver> I think they had a premature launch, you know the young ones!!
[08:04] <mattltm> lol.
[08:05] <benoxley> it may have dissapeared a little prematurely
[08:05] <SamSilver> 04h20
[08:06] <SamSilver> looks like ApexII has fiered up
[08:06] <benoxley> not that early, we launched around 5h00
[08:06] <mattltm> How did it go benoxley?
[08:06] <SamSilver> my oops
[08:06] <benoxley> pretty well, sadly the cameras could catch many sharp shots due to low light
[08:07] <benoxley> *couldn't
[08:07] <benoxley> but some really nice sunrise shots
[08:07] <mattltm> Looks like a good, southbound flight. Shame I was asleep as I would of had a very good signal.
[08:08] <benoxley> really overfilled it though, had 8.0m/s ascent
[08:08] <mattltm> Wow. Rocket balloon!
[08:08] <natrium42> benoxley: it was fun to follow it, good job!
[08:08] <benoxley> and on the way down the shroud lines got rather tangled,,came in at around 20m/s
[08:08] <mattltm> Good job though. Much furthur and it may have been in the drink.
[08:09] <benoxley> thats why we overfilled
[08:09] <mattltm> And survived?
[08:09] <benoxley> yup, might well need a new antenna but all the kit is ship-shape
[08:09] <mattltm> Good stuff. Congratulations :)
[08:09] <benoxley> just need some new polystyrene, which will cost us a fortune
[08:10] <benoxley> thanks :)
[08:10] <benoxley> going to try and get the best photos uploaded today
[08:10] <mattltm> Very cool. Will you post the link for me once you have them online please?
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[08:14] <mattltm> The Artemis flight looks like its going to be good too.
[08:19] <benoxley> just on our way back to churchill now for artemis
[08:19] <benoxley> mattltm: all the news will be at www.apexhab.com
[08:19] <natrium42> benoxley: probably could have retrieved both
[08:19] <natrium42> predicted landing spots are close
[08:19] <natrium42> :P
[08:19] <benoxley> really?
[08:20] <benoxley> jonsowman is pretty knackered now :)
[08:20] <natrium42> 5km
[08:20] <natrium42> hehe, i bet
[08:20] <mattltm> Anyo one going to the Cambridgeshire rally tomorrow?
[08:22] <benoxley> what type of rally?
[08:22] <mattltm> Radio rally.
[08:22] <benoxley> ah i see
[08:23] <mattltm> Cambridgeshire Repeater Group
[08:25] <benoxley> right, i'm going to conserve myself some data, back on later probably
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[08:32] <hburger> Is Artemis in the air right now?
[08:32] <hburger> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[08:32] <mattltm> Dont think it is launching till 11:30
[08:32] <hburger> Woops, I meant Apex. Is Apex airbourne?
[08:32] <mattltm> Apex had been and gone.
[08:32] <hburger> Oh right, cool, will follow!
[08:33] <hburger> Successful?
[08:33] <mattltm> Good flight by the lookof it :)
[08:33] <hburger> Great!
[08:33] <hburger> Where can I find more details of it?
[08:33] <mattltm> Came down at 20m/s but the payload wasOK.
[08:33] <hburger> oh my, parachute failure?
[08:33] <mattltm> Details willbe at www.apexhab.com
[08:34] <mattltm> A problem with the lines getting tangled I think.
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[08:35] <hburger> Hmm, is that common? Whats the best way to solve so it won't happen again?
[08:35] <mattltm> I have no idea :p
[08:35] <hburger> In fact, how do you even attach the parachute to the nylon rope?
[08:36] <mattltm> Most of the chutes have a hole in the middle where the balloon line passed through.
[08:36] <mattltm> And the chule lines attache to the payload. So when the balloon is lifting the chute is limp and once the balloon bursts the payload drops and the churs opens.
[08:37] <mattltm> Wow. I managed to spell chute 3 diferent ways then :p
[08:37] <hburger> Lol ;)
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[08:38] <hburger> Does the hole in the parachute attach to the rope?
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[08:54] <mattltm> hburger: Some very good info on the wiki... http://ukhas.org.uk/
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[08:57] <priyesh> Thanks to all those who helped track APEX II today. More info, images and video will be available on http://www.apexhab.org/ in the coming days.
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[08:58] <MNSP> morning all :)
[09:01] <MNSP> hmm guess its just me then
[09:02] <natrium42> hi MNSP
[09:02] <MNSP> morning :)
[09:02] <MNSP> looks like apex was a success from the tracker
[09:03] Action: m0lep yawns... Back (sort-of) awake again...
[09:04] Action: m0lep managed to catch a few good strings from Apex on 50 baud, but 300 baud just would not quite decode clean.
[09:05] <MNSP> woohoo, looks like artemis is away!
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[09:07] <fsphil> morning all!
[09:07] <fsphil> ooh did I just arrive in time?
[09:08] <mattltm> artemis is not due for launch until 11:30
[09:08] <MNSP> no I was mistaken
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[09:08] <fsphil> lol
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[09:09] <mattltm> morning fsphil, MNSP
[09:09] <MNSP> but alt on spacenear keeps changing
[09:09] <fsphil> aah time for breakfast then :D
[09:09] <fsphil> morning mattltm !
[09:09] <fsphil> GPS altitude is -- somewhat noisy
[09:09] <MNSP> yeah that would expalin the 20-36 m alt its showing
[09:10] <m0lep> Well, that's about ground level...
[09:10] <fsphil> I wonder if I'll hear this one as well as apex
[09:10] <MNSP> so artemis not away till 11.30?
[09:11] <mattltm> Acording to the ukhas page.
[09:11] <MNSP> coulda sworn it was 10.00
[09:12] <MNSP> def looks like its going up on tracker
[09:13] <m0lep> Yeah, definitely ascending.
[09:13] <m0lep> 500 metres plus...
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[09:14] Action: MNSP is gonna be smug :D
[09:14] <m0lep> ...and receiving it here.
[09:14] <m0lep> 434.4675 on dial.
[09:15] <fsphil> Engage smug mode MNSP!
[09:15] <mattltm> lol.
[09:15] <MNSP> LOL
[09:15] <MNSP> let me bask in this noobie moment
[09:15] <fsphil> that's a pretty low frequency
[09:16] <fsphil> if it's suppose to be on 434.650
[09:16] <hburger> How often are the new artemis positions?
[09:16] <MNSP> i too thought it was 434.650
[09:17] <MNSP> im pickin up a littel something around 434647
[09:17] <fsphil> oops -- I was still recording apex2!
[09:17] <fsphil> that's a big wav file
[09:18] <mattltm> Got it here .647.78
[09:18] <mattltm> Weak signal but thai is on the vertical though.
[09:19] <fsphil> I got apex2 earlier on a vertical mattltm
[09:19] <fsphil> though I think there was some atmospheric voodoo going on
[09:19] <m0lep> It's also using the ddmm.mmmm format for lat and long that dl-fldigi's --hab mode doesn't understand. :/
[09:19] <fsphil> ack
[09:19] <fsphil> apex did that too
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[09:20] <m0lep> There's a double-shifted copy of the signal about 1kHz up the waterfall...
[09:21] <fsphil> right.. quick breakfast
[09:21] <mattltm> Getting a perfect copy here but not uploading :(
[09:22] <natrium42> :(
[09:23] <MNSP> is this what we want: >N>66:6N*6:6F2:>N>>>>2F*"N>2262NV"·®J:N
[09:23] <MNSP> or is that just rubbish
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[09:23] <MrCraig> Hi all - just stopping in to say Artemis-1 is away :-)
[09:23] <MNSP> NICE MrCraig!
[09:23] <m0lep> Already receiving it. ;)
[09:23] <hburger> following here ;)
[09:23] <hburger> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:24] <fsphil> MNSP, that's it -- part of it anyway
[09:24] <mattltm> MNSP: $$ARTEMIS-1,0000207,09:23:43,5212.9076,00003.8716,03796,*7F
[09:24] <MNSP> thanks fsphil, so should I put fldigi in online mode ?
[09:24] <mattltm> Yes.
[09:24] <hburger> Just wondering - is it normal for balloons to stray off of the predicted flight paths?
[09:24] <fsphil> definitely
[09:24] <MrCraig> excellent - we're going to try to stay on it but running down to the predicted landing site in a min - so appreciate the heklp tracking
[09:24] <MNSP> one sec
[09:24] <fsphil> are you running in HAB mode? it should be online automatically
[09:25] <MNSP> I am but I switch it off, cos of my testing with ntx2 coupla wkends ago
[09:25] <MNSP> but hang on
[09:25] <fsphil> aaah
[09:25] <mattltm> MrCraig: Good signal to me. Well done :)
[09:26] Action: fsphil waits patiently for the earth to move out of the way ;)
[09:27] <fsphil> what's the current dial frequency?
[09:27] <mattltm> 434.647.50
[09:27] <hburger> 5000m!!
[09:27] <MrCraig> I'm still getting on 434.65
[09:28] <MrCraig> it's heading up pretty quicky :-)
[09:28] <MrCraig> ok - I'm off on the chase - talk soon :-)
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[09:29] <fsphil> neat - heading in the opposite direction to apex atm
[09:29] <fsphil> no, it's turned around
[09:32] <mattltm> Right. Got to go out but i'll leave dl running.
[09:32] <MNSP> ttfn mattltm
[09:32] <mattltm> byeeeee..
[09:33] Action: mattltm slaps mattltm around a bit with a large trout
[09:33] <mattltm> lol. Bye..
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[09:34] <m0lep> That was quite a u-turn... ;)
[09:38] <MNSP> what dial frequency is current?
[09:38] <m0lep> 434.648
[09:39] <MNSP> aha, thanks m0lep
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[09:43] <fsphil> nothing here so far
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[09:45] <chembrow> morning all. apex looks like it got of to a good start
[09:48] <fsphil> indeedy, good altitude already
[09:48] <fsphil> bit worried about the north sea :)
[09:49] <chembrow> yeah
[09:50] <chembrow> just off up the loft to stick my yagi up, see if I can get anything.
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[09:52] <NigeyS> dial freq ?
[09:52] <NigeyS> ill go climb the shed roof!
[09:53] <fsphil> lol .. last I heard 434.648
[09:53] <NigeyS> oki ill go see, soz for ats being on there btw didnt realise i had it online
[09:54] <fsphil> I've got a potential signal on the waterfall
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[09:55] <fsphil> yea another signal nearby moving in sympathy
[09:56] <fsphil> man that's still way below my horizon
[10:00] <NigeyS> i got.. nowt so far
[10:02] <fsphil> tuned around a bit?
[10:06] <NigeyS> yup
[10:07] <fsphil> any buildings in that direction?
[10:07] <NigeyS> yeah, a street full :/
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[10:08] <GM4JTJ> decoding in Montrose
[10:09] <fsphil> what's the current dial frequency?
[10:09] <fsphil> hi GM4JTJ btw :)
[10:09] <m0lep> 434.648
[10:09] <GM4JTJ> not sure my calibration but S7
[10:09] <m0lep> USB
[10:10] <GM4JTJ> approx 3kc lf
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[10:11] <fsphil> I guess whatever form of propagation that helped me get apex has gone
[10:11] <chembrow> anyone got the link to dl-fldigi to hand?
[10:11] <fsphil> though that signal I saw earlier on he waterfall is still there ... but oooh so faint
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[10:11] <chembrow> just realised I've not got it installed on this machine
[10:11] <NigeyS> woo got it on global tuners folkstone
[10:11] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[10:12] <m0lep> Got intermittent QRM sounding like a shaver or toothbrush... Hopefully just local.
[10:12] <fsphil> lol
[10:12] <chembrow> thanks fsphil
[10:12] <chembrow> *sigh* only builds for ubuntu
[10:12] <fsphil> what are you running?
[10:12] <chembrow> fedora
[10:13] <chembrow> 64-bit
[10:13] <fsphil> I've a binary if you trust me :)
[10:13] <fsphil> just a binary, not an rpm
[10:13] <chembrow> binary is cool. have you got somewhere to upload it?
[10:13] <fsphil> yea, on sec
[10:13] <chembrow> thanks
[10:13] <fsphil> I'm not sure if it needs anything else ...
[10:13] <chembrow> got a signal, not strong tho
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[10:13] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000432,10:13:19,5204.4409,00025.5920,18609,*72
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[10:15] <fsphil> got a signal
[10:16] <fsphil> chembrow, http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/dl-fldigi
[10:16] <fsphil> oddly big binary
[10:16] <chembrow> thanks fsphil
[10:17] <fsphil> shift is 100 hz
[10:18] <GM4JTJ> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000446,10:16:33,5203.5755,0,025.9441,19603,*7D
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[10:18] <fsphil> very choppy signal here
[10:19] <MNSP> I'm getting nothing usable now :(
[10:19] <fsphil> getting stronger
[10:19] <fsphil> $$ARTEMIS-1,00004=8<10?1981),5283.0139,08026.195:-204_?_*3
[10:19] <fsphil> sooo close
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[10:21] <fsphil> and it's faded
[10:21] <chembrow> fsphil library issues with that binary :( and I've not even got gcc on this box :p
[10:21] <fsphil> which library?
[10:22] <chembrow> portaudio. which I have
[10:22] <chembrow> fedora 14, btw
[10:22] <fsphil> ah, built on 12
[10:22] <NigeyS> oo i got a few lines decoded
[10:22] <chembrow> installing gcc now, should be up soon
[10:23] <fsphil> signal still very weak here for some reason -- it was stronger a few minutes ago
[10:23] <NigeyS> it has gone weaker
[10:23] <chembrow> thanks god for yum
[10:24] <fsphil> yummy goodness :)
[10:24] <chembrow> I remember when I first discovered apt-get. it was a revelation
[10:25] <fsphil> signal getting a bit stronger again
[10:25] <MNSP> yeah i just got a snippit but is gone again
[10:26] Action: m0lep presumes his local QRM is probably strimmers and lawnmowers... :/
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[10:27] <chembrow_> huh. my internets went away :(
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[10:28] <MNSP> ARTEMiS-1,0000486,10:28:05,5159.9871,˜026.8520,234
[10:28] <MNSP> soo close
[10:29] <fsphil> just getting fragments of numbers here
[10:31] <NigeyS> hmm same prob again phil, whip picks it up a bit, yagi doesnt
[10:31] <NigeyS> but getting it ok on global tuners
[10:31] <fsphil> definitely a height problem
[10:31] <fsphil> I wish I'd thought of global tuners for hadie
[10:32] <NigeyS> :p
[10:32] <NigeyS> i knew the folkstone 1 would work, wasnt up when apex was up though, shame that :/
[10:33] <NigeyS> faded out, think it burst at 25k
[10:34] <NigeyS> oh no, still going up
[10:34] <MNSP> ARTEMIS1,000253110:73:51,5158.5962,00027>3819,25477,*7E
[10:34] <MNSP> þ$$ARTEMIS-1,000 q22,10:34:05,71.954,00027.34™7,25561,*73
[10:34] <fsphil> it's fading in and out too much for me to get a full string
[10:35] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000525,10:34:46,51%8.2924,00027.2097,25835,*7B
[10:35] <NigeyS> so close
[10:36] <MNSP> therse a bar at top of fldigi that is red, is that good or bad?
[10:36] <chembrow_> dammit dl-fldigi fails on the make :(
[10:36] <fsphil> means bad checksum MNSP
[10:36] <fsphil> what error chembrow_?
[10:36] <NigeyS> red is not decoded, green is decoded
[10:36] <hburger> tracking here is okay? http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:36] <chembrow_> mv: cannot stat `t-fr.gmo': No such file or directory
[10:36] <NigeyS> yup
[10:36] <fsphil> chembrow_, install gettext
[10:37] <MNSP> in the bar by the rtty button
[10:37] <fsphil> chembrow_, there's a full list of dependencies here: https://github.com/fsphil/dl-fldigi/wiki
[10:37] <chembrow_> thx
[10:37] <GM4JTJ> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000530,10:35:55,5158.2059,00027.0445,26264,*7B
[10:37] <fsphil> getting stronger here again
[10:38] <chembrow_> thanks fsphil
[10:38] <fsphil> very nearly got one
[10:38] <m0lep> Seeing some fairly brutal QSB here...
[10:38] <MNSP> he's over 27km
[10:40] <GM4JTJ> yes fast deep qsb and a lot of doppler
[10:40] <fsphil> got one!
[10:40] <m0lep> Yay! :)
[10:41] <m0lep> Anyone know predicted burst height?
[10:41] <hburger> Whats the difference between GFS and GFS HD? For predicting, I mean http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=a5f4a5b70de7ea3648da61ca3ce0814286b8c5e0
[10:42] <fsphil> HD has more atmospheric layers, tends to be a little more accurate but requires a lot more data
[10:42] <fsphil> fading again here
[10:43] <Gnea> good day
[10:43] <fsphil> burst?
[10:43] Action: Gnea notices the float above the UK
[10:44] <fsphil> hiya Gnea
[10:44] <fsphil> yep, artemis is in the air
[10:44] <Gnea> awesome :D
[10:44] <m0lep> Not yet...
[10:44] <fsphil> second one today :)
[10:44] <m0lep> Still going up...
[10:44] <Gnea> so
[10:44] <fsphil> ooh it sounded like it has burst
[10:44] <Gnea> apex was the first? or is that predicted?
[10:45] <fsphil> yea, apex was first -- very early
[10:45] <NigeyS> apex was earlier
[10:45] <m0lep> Apex was at sunrise.
[10:45] <hburger> So close to 30,000
[10:45] <Gnea> okay
[10:45] <Gnea> last one I worked on: https://picasaweb.google.com/kb0mgq/HABETFlightL125A#
[10:46] <m0lep> They'll want it to burst soon, or it'll get wet...
[10:46] <fsphil> 30km!
[10:46] <m0lep> 30kms
[10:46] <MNSP> lokks like coming down
[10:46] <hburger> Btw, server isn't loading anything for me. http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cade55f265d0a320f16015781547286571245d88
[10:46] <fsphil> got another one
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[10:46] <m0lep> Nope
[10:46] <Gnea> looks like it's still gaining altitude
[10:46] <fsphil> and another
[10:46] <MNSP> no maybe not
[10:47] <fsphil> sounds like it burst again
[10:47] <fsphil> nope
[10:47] <fsphil> must be windy up there
[10:47] <m0lep> That's just the QSB playing tricks
[10:47] <Gnea> think it will breach 35,000 meters?
[10:48] <fsphil> Gnea, very unlikely
[10:48] <Upu> woot 2E0UPU :)
[10:48] <fsphil> lol
[10:48] <fsphil> congrats!
[10:48] <Upu> Artemis up already ?
[10:48] <Gnea> fsphil: how many payloads is it carrying?
[10:48] <fsphil> just the one Gnea
[10:48] <m0lep> 31kms
[10:49] <Gnea> nice
[10:49] <hburger> Gnea, how did you measure temp in your launch? https://picasaweb.google.com/kb0mgq/HABETFlightL125A#5586571363782635970
[10:49] <fsphil> at least it's heading away from the water now
[10:49] <m0lep> Yeah, that might help... ;)
[10:49] <NigeyS> still going up...
[10:50] <fsphil> getting stronger here again
[10:50] <fsphil> must be my antenna nulls
[10:50] <m0lep> The QSB is quite severe...
[10:50] <fsphil> getting a bit annoying here now too
[10:50] <fsphil> a regular pulse every one second
[10:51] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000594,10:50:30,5155.9443,00022.6437,31792,*70
[10:51] <NigeyS> be funny if he got altitude record on first try..lol
[10:51] <fsphil> I think rjh did that :)
[10:51] <m0lep> 32kms
[10:51] <fsphil> fast fading again
[10:51] <m0lep> Burst!
[10:51] <fsphil> it's on it's way down
[10:52] <fsphil> 32km, that's excellent
[10:52] <Gnea> oh yeah it's dropping
[10:52] <fsphil> 25m/s lol
[10:52] <NigeyS> ouch
[10:52] <MNSP> thats pretty impressive for first attempt
[10:52] <Gnea> hburger: sorry, I'm not sure which chip we used (I don't do much with the electrical side just yet)
[10:53] <Gnea> hburger: but there's more information here, maybe it's listed: http://sites.google.com/site/ssclisu/habet/habet-engineering
[10:53] <MNSP> whos in bishops stortford?
[10:53] <Gnea> fsphil: this is your first set launched?
[10:53] <fsphil> hburger, try the predictor again
[10:53] <fsphil> Gnea, this is MrCraig's launch
[10:53] <NigeyS> hm tracker isnt always showing my data even if a green line
[10:54] <Gnea> fsphil: okay
[10:54] <MNSP> oh m6two is
[10:54] <m0lep> NigeyS: It's a timing thing, probably...
[10:54] <m0lep> Who is M6TWO? ;)
[10:54] <fsphil> NigeyS, check the raw data
[10:54] <NigeyS> ahh yeah it wont take dupe lines ?
[10:54] <Gnea> NigeyS: yeah, it'll happen since it's tumbling around in the air
[10:55] <fsphil> signal has begun to fade
[10:55] <Gnea> what sucks is when you don't get ANY telemetry for awhile
[10:55] <Gnea> then it becomes a waiting game
[10:55] <NigeyS> yup lol
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[10:55] <NigeyS> stronger here phil, i quite like this folkstone reciever! lol
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[10:55] <fsphil> haha
[10:56] <NigeyS> you can hear that its spinning
[10:56] <Gnea> our last one only got up to about 25k meters, nothing big since it was a demonstration flight, but it happened.... as soon as the driver stepped 1 foot out of the van, we started getting data again.... he didn't get out of the van again until we had sight of it in the air :)
[10:56] <fsphil> yea
[10:56] <NigeyS> like a whir whir in the signal
[10:57] <NigeyS> lol Gnea hows that for timing
[10:57] <Gnea> haha yeah :)
[10:57] <fsphil> righty, I wonder how far away it was when I got the lines
[10:57] <Gnea> I like how the max altitude is shown
[10:58] <Gnea> looks like it's slowing descent a bit
[10:58] <NigeyS> heh nope, back up -18m/s now
[10:59] <Gnea> it's like a rollercoaster :)
[11:00] <Laurenceb> no not the airport
[11:00] <Laurenceb> better head away from there
[11:00] <fsphil> 543.38 km
[11:00] <NigeyS> haha woops
[11:01] Action: Gnea would be sitting on the side of the road at A130 and B1256
[11:02] <fsphil> signal now completely gone here
[11:03] <Gnea> looks like it just came back
[11:03] <MNSP> yeah I got nadda
[11:03] <Gnea> Time: 2011-04-09 11:02:59
[11:03] <Gnea> Position: 51.886437,0.35011
[11:03] <Gnea> Altitude: 19435 m Rate: -10.9 m/s
[11:03] <Gnea> it's hitting the heat bubble over town
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[11:04] <Gnea> Altitude: 18529 m Rate: -10.5 m/s
[11:04] <Gnea> Time: 2011-04-09 11:04:19
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[11:05] <Gnea> is it too early to place bets? :)
[11:05] <MNSP> There'll be loadsa people out in their gardens , lol
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[11:06] <Gnea> my bet's on between Ford End and Littley Green
[11:06] <MNSP> which side of the a120
[11:06] <Gnea> south
[11:07] <chembrow_> grr, finally got fldigi compiled and I can't pick anything up
[11:08] <Gnea> for triangulation prediction, I'd throw Bannister Green in there as well
[11:08] <fsphil> d'oh!
[11:08] <chembrow_> at least I'll be ready for tomorrow
[11:09] <MNSP> cetainly seems to be heading east a bit now
[11:09] <Gnea> yeah, the wind's got it again... makes me wonder how much of the balloon shredded
[11:10] <m0lep> The chute's making some impression now.
[11:10] <Gnea> of course, if the payload is more square than not, that could be a factor
[11:10] <fsphil> lovely signal via globaltuners
[11:10] <NigeyS> nice n wobbly
[11:10] <Gnea> hmm
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[11:13] <fsphil> interesting how all the checksums are *7x
[11:14] <Gnea> alright, scratch my predicted bet lol
[11:14] <NigeyS> think he used his own checksum thingy
[11:14] <fsphil> it's the gps checksum
[11:14] <fsphil> I can't find one that doesn't begin with 7
[11:14] <m0lep> I figure it'll be east of Apex's landing site...
[11:14] <Gnea> wow, this is impressive
[11:15] <fsphil> hopefully not too far east ...
[11:15] <m0lep> Hopefuly...
[11:15] <MNSP> lol, its all over the place
[11:15] <Gnea> hrm
[11:16] <Laurenceb> parachute must be big
[11:16] Action: m0lep has dial near 434.467 now.
[11:17] <MNSP> damn, gotta go.. bbl
[11:17] <Gnea> later
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[11:18] <benoxley> its a huge parachute
[11:19] <benoxley> (5 foot)
[11:19] <benoxley> really want it to land directly on apex
[11:19] <m0lep> Hmmm... Could end up quite a bit east of Apex then...
[11:20] <NigeyS> hey benoxley
[11:20] <NigeyS> apex recovered ok ?
[11:21] <Gnea> looks like it will land close to apex landing site
[11:21] <benoxley> NigeyS: apex recovered perfectly, imagery isn't the quality we would have liked due to low light
[11:22] <Gnea> benoxley: some imagery is better than none :)
[11:22] <NigeyS> ah dam :( still, a success, was it in pole lane ?
[11:22] <benoxley> pole lane?
[11:22] <NigeyS> landing site, showed on the map pole lane was the nearest road i think
[11:23] <benoxley> green lane was the closest we got to it in the car, it was within 5km or so of predictions but we REALLY overfilled it
[11:24] <NigeyS> awsome, green lane is just off pole lane
[11:24] <m0lep> Hmmm... Tracker's stopped...
[11:24] <NigeyS> oo lost gps data i think
[11:25] <NigeyS> back now
[11:25] <NigeyS> weird, its blipping
[11:25] <m0lep> Something buggy there...
[11:26] <NigeyS> yups
[11:26] <Gnea> hrm
[11:26] <Gnea> yeah
[11:26] <m0lep> My guess is power's running low?
[11:26] <Gnea> the 'deadzone'
[11:26] <Gnea> waiting game is on
[11:27] <NigeyS> hm could be power yup
[11:27] <Gnea> NigeyS: do you have a voltage count?
[11:27] <benoxley> the payload?
[11:27] <NigeyS> yup ben
[11:27] <NigeyS> sounds like an alarm, then a cut off of gps
[11:27] <Laurenceb> low battery?
[11:27] <NigeyS> must be
[11:28] <NigeyS> Gnea, nope
[11:28] <Gnea> NigeyS: we had good voltage when it went dark..
[11:28] <Laurenceb> does it cut off the gps?
[11:28] <NigeyS> seems to cut off, then come back for a bit
[11:28] <m0lep> Longitude gets throug, more or less. Goes burbly around latitude, garbles altitude completely, spits out a checksum.
[11:29] <Gnea> m0lep: sounds about right
[11:29] <m0lep> Grief, that checksum matched the garbage...
[11:29] <NigeyS> lol
[11:29] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000749,11:29:16,,,159.0,*5C
[11:29] <m0lep> Lost GPS lock
[11:29] <Gnea> whoa
[11:30] <Gnea> is that 749 meters?
[11:30] <NigeyS> no, thats the count
[11:30] <Gnea> ah
[11:30] <NigeyS> ah well, we cant you guys where it is, but we do have the time...lol
[11:30] <Gnea> haha better than nothing
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[11:32] <m0lep> Occasionally spits out a very long line.
[11:33] <NigeyS> funky
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[11:33] <MNSP> hows artemis doing?
[11:33] <NigeyS> lost gps lock
[11:33] <MNSP> oh!
[11:34] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000764,11:33:37,,,147.µ¬¤”™›™—š–SKL&“ br±ÁÑá¹q-±…Ii‰ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ,*FA
[11:34] <m0lep> Definitely funky. Also broken...
[11:34] <MNSP> do we know if MrCraig has a backup system?
[11:35] <NigeyS> not sure, dont think so
[11:35] <NigeyS> last known gps was @ 10km aswell .. happy hunting
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[11:37] <MNSP> I wonder if chase had eyes on?
[11:37] <NigeyS> hope so, its a big area that couldve landed in
[11:38] <MNSP> damn!!!
[11:38] <benoxley> at 10k its probably unlikely when it's this bright
[11:38] <NigeyS> its back
[11:38] <MNSP> :)
[11:38] <NigeyS> hm gone again
[11:38] <NigeyS> ,11:37:55,5147.1863,,04³®‘œ¥”˜˜™—š–§–˜˜š—š–))JIÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ,
[11:38] <m0lep> ...ish. Only latitude, 5147.1863
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[11:40] <NigeyS> 00036.›523,018
[11:40] <NigeyS> some longitude to go with it ...lol
[11:41] <NigeyS> $$ARTEMIS-1,0000777,11:41:02,5147.0050,00036.7817
[11:42] <m0lep> It's as if i's not keeping up, and runs two strings together, garbled.
[11:42] <NigeyS> odd
[11:42] <NigeyS> just past the A12
[11:42] <m0lep> Oh! New valid fix!
[11:43] <MNSP> :)
[11:44] <MNSP> needs to touchdown sharpish
[11:45] <Gnea> whoa
[11:46] <MNSP> but not too sharpish!
[11:46] <Gnea> it's just not dropping much
[11:47] <Gnea> it's got a great carry-along, though
[11:47] <benoxley> man the chase boat?
[11:47] <NigeyS> i would
[11:47] <m0lep> It's chances of getting wet are high, I'd say...
[11:47] <Gnea> speaking of high, it's heading north now
[11:48] <fsphil> what I miss?
[11:48] <MNSP> its all over the place fsphil
[11:48] <NigeyS> haha it went funkeh!
[11:48] <NigeyS> we had alarms n all sorts phil
[11:48] <Gnea> it went from Young's End to just outside of Witham and came back with a strong signal
[11:48] <MNSP> dancing girls too, but you missed them
[11:48] <fsphil> ah man!
[11:48] <Gnea> lol
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[11:49] Action: fsphil nips out for some food :)
[11:49] <MNSP> looks like its going round in a little circle
[11:49] <Gnea> yeah
[11:50] <Gnea> like it's trying to figure out what it's gonna do next
[11:50] <MNSP> don't forget the choccy biccys
[11:50] <MNSP> like when a cat settles down
[11:50] <Gnea> yeah :)
[11:51] <MNSP> three an a half-ish km
[11:51] <NigeyS> i'm going to be LOS very soon
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[11:52] <MNSP> brb
[11:54] <SamSilver> -3.4 decent > a thermal ?? :-P
[11:54] <NigeyS> LOS :(
[11:54] <m0lep> Erf. No other trackers getting through?
[11:55] <NigeyS> nope, just you .. lol
[11:55] <Gnea> well best of luck on retrieval, I've got a pile of homework to do
[11:55] <SamSilver> LOS - also = Line Of Sight
[11:56] <SamSilver> los = good
[11:56] <m0lep> Just a big chute, I think?
[11:57] <benoxley> 5 feet across
[11:57] <m0lep> Still 2kms to come down...
[11:57] <m0lep> Could blow a distance at that rate...
[11:58] <NigeyS> 5ft? :O
[11:58] <MNSP> hopefully it'll come down in one of those fields
[11:58] <SamSilver> heading for Church grounds is my bet $5.00
[11:59] <MNSP> I wonder where the chase car is?
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> 'Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today to ... WTF!'
[12:00] <hburger> lol!
[12:00] <NigeyS> lol
[12:00] <MNSP> lol
[12:00] <m0lep> Another turn. Apparently it decided not to head for Cressing Temple
[12:00] <m0lep> ...and it might yet end up west of Apex...
[12:01] <hburger> Hmm, so, what's the difference between definition GFS and GFS HD in the predictor?
[12:02] <MNSP> lol, wedding pictures
[12:02] <SamSilver> lol
[12:02] <MNSP> under 1.5km
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> Why is there no predictor trail on the tracker?
[12:03] <m0lep> Apex stole it?
[12:03] <SamSilver> speed it was there early
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[12:03] <SpeedEvil> Fun the different launch times showing how variable the weather is.
[12:03] <m0lep> Getting faint here...
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Was apex recovered?
[12:04] <m0lep> Yes
[12:04] <SamSilver> is that just one station rec data?
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:04] <NigeyS> yup, i losr signal about 20mins ago :(
[12:04] <SamSilver> m0lop
[12:04] <NigeyS> lost*
[12:04] <m0lep> ...and it's getting faint, so soon there'll be none.
[12:04] <MNSP> looks like its gonna proper loop on its track
[12:05] <MNSP> oop, just did
[12:05] <SamSilver> Hmmm holy wine
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Other side of london.
[12:05] <SamSilver> got it loopy
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Quite low elevation!
[12:05] <MNSP> *groan* samsilver
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Getting to a more predictable altitude.
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> I make it ~5m/s.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> (groundspeeD)
[12:08] <NigeyS> pretty much yup
[12:08] <MNSP> nearly there now
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> So under a kilometer to the landing point
[12:08] <hburger> hehe, if only it went past Chelmsford: http://chelmsford.milliflora.com/chelmsford_skycam.aspx
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[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Though I haven't checkred the altitude of that point
[12:08] <NigeyS> heading right for that block of trees
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> It's gotta be close to the ground
[12:09] <m0lep> Lost telemetry here now.
[12:09] <NigeyS> 200m ish
[12:09] <MNSP> nice little field just past thos tres
[12:09] <MNSP> *those trees
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> At least we're down to the 'one of those three fields' point.
[12:09] <SamSilver> swinging north
[12:09] <m0lep> Last fix it was at 228 metres reported altitude
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Any partials?
[12:10] <hburger> Is that as low as we're going to know?
[12:10] <NigeyS> yip
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> There don't look to be a lot of trees.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> hburger: Almost certainly.
[12:10] <MNSP> I think so hburger
[12:10] <hburger> Can't wait to see the photos.
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> hburger: There have been occasions when it's been picked up on the ground from a distance, but those have been exceptions when there has been line of sight.
[12:11] <hburger> What do you think the chances of recovery/finding?
[12:11] <MNSP> absolutley
[12:11] <NigeyS> itll be somewhere off terling hall road
[12:11] <m0lep> Unless there's someone nearer tracking it...
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> The receiving station is ~50km away.
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> That too, yes. :)
[12:12] <hburger> Or in the garden of the house off Waltham Road, might have seen it go past
[12:12] <MNSP> theres lots of fsort arm buildings
[12:12] <m0lep> Yeah, I'm south-ease of London, and got telemetry down to 228 metres.
[12:12] <MNSP> Just a case of waiting to hear back from MrCraig
[12:13] <hburger> When's ats-1 launching?
[12:13] <m0lep> Plenty of fields and no obvious water, which is good. ;)
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> It may well still be transmitting - hopefully is - so once the chase car gets withing a kilometer or three, it can often be picked up.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise it's lots of walking back and forth.
[12:14] <m0lep> Yeah, a lot depends on where the antenna is... ;)
[12:14] <hburger> Oh, cool!
[12:14] <m0lep> The big chute might make it easier to spot.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> If it's landed upside down, range goes way down.
[12:15] <MNSP> brb
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[12:16] <m0lep> Last reliable fix is 5147.3982 00033.9095 at 00179 metres ,but that line failed checksum.
[12:17] <hburger> How long will it be till we hear confirmation? Roughly
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[12:17] <m0lep> Anything on Twitter?
[12:18] Nick change: m0lep -> LazyLeopard
[12:18] <NigeyS> brb
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[12:18] <LazyLeopard> Normal identity restored... ;)
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> hburger: Once the chase car gets there.
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> (or someone phones up)
[12:19] <hburger> Are we talking hours, or minutes? :')
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[12:19] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:19] <hburger> Just wondering - I don't mind either way, I'm really anticipating hearing from them
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[12:20] <MNSP> any news?
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> mrcrai
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> oops
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> no
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[12:21] <SpeedEvil> He was heading to the predicted landing site ages ago, so he may be there by now.
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> If so, it can be found quite rapidly
[12:21] <MNSP> oh I do hope so
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[12:23] <LazyLeopard> Last half-readable line was ARTEMIS-1,0000898,12:08:53,5147.3982,0003?.9095,0?179,*7D where I'm pretty sure the first ? is a 3 and the second is a 0.
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[12:26] <MNSP> am a bit confused, ats1 is not the same as gaga1 is it?
[12:26] <MNSP> d'oh, ats1 is in the staes
[12:26] <MNSP> *states
[12:27] <MNSP> no, wales
[12:27] <NigelMoby> Noo ATS1 is mine, was testing gps
[12:27] <MNSP> aha
[12:27] <NigelMoby> Forgot it was uploading
[12:27] <MNSP> :)
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> NigelMoby: Recovered it OK then, I guess? :)
[12:29] <NigelMoby> Lol Yup, gps is hating newsoftserial still.
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[12:33] <benoxley> found some fantastic pics from apex launch :D
[12:33] <NigelMoby> Yey pics!
[12:34] <benoxley> http://twitpic.com/4ipjmg
[12:35] <NigelMoby> Now that's impressive
[12:35] <MNSP> OMG!!!!!
[12:35] <NigelMoby> It was worth getting up for.
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> nice.
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I see
[12:35] <benoxley> definately :)
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> rthat's why so early - aiming for a sunrise
[12:35] <benoxley> yea :)
[12:36] <benoxley> http://twitpic.com/4ipljf
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> neat
[12:36] <jonsowman> dawn :)
[12:36] <MNSP> another OMG
[12:36] <x-f> wow
[12:36] <benoxley> may be able to stitch a few together as well
[12:36] <benoxley> going to be a fun afternoon of photoshop
[12:37] <MNSP> those are some mighty fine photos
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[12:38] <MNSP> am anxious about artemis
[12:39] <jonsowman> I'll text Craig
[12:39] <MNSP> have we heard anything at all jonsowman?
[12:40] <jonsowman> nope
[12:40] <MNSP> congrats with apex
[12:40] <jonsowman> thank you!
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[12:41] <NigelMoby> Same here Jon, the pics made it worth the early start, congrats to all the team.
[12:42] <jonsowman> thanks NigelMoby :)
[12:42] <MNSP> yeah those pics are full on
[12:42] <benoxley> thanks :)
[12:42] <NigelMoby> :) and now .. a few hours lol, bbl
[12:43] <NigelMoby> Kip
[12:43] <jonsowman> thanks for the help with tracking NigelMoby
[12:43] <NigelMoby> Pleasure :)
[12:44] <MNSP> brb
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[13:03] <hburger> any news? :)
[13:04] <jonsowman> no reply to text
[13:04] <W0OTM-iPad> What's flying today?
[13:04] <jonsowman> two have flown!
[13:05] <W0OTM-iPad> In the US?
[13:05] <jonsowman> UK
[13:05] <W0OTM-iPad> Ok
[13:05] <W0OTM-iPad> Hell I just got up
[13:05] <W0OTM-iPad> Lol
[13:05] <jonsowman> hehe
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[13:11] <chembrow> can anyone explain why I get a perfect decode from my ntx2 using the older version of dl-fldigi, but can't get anything from the latest version?
[13:13] <chembrow> the configuration all looks the same. rtty, 50 baud, 7n2. 350 shift
[13:15] <chembrow> figured it. the default "receive filter bandwidth" was too low
[13:16] <SamSilver> bbl
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[13:22] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, that receive filter bandwidth never stays wher eit's put, either... ;)
[13:22] <chembrow> the default was 90. seems very low. was 500 in the old version
[13:23] <LazyLeopard> What time's tomorrow's launch expected?
[13:23] <LazyLeopard> Ideally it'd be expressed as a percentage of shift...
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[13:29] <LazyLeopard> It's cool having two land so close to one another. ;)
[13:31] <jonsowman> yeah :)
[13:31] <jonsowman> thanks for your help tracking LazyLeopard
[13:31] <jonsowman> much appreciated
[13:32] Action: LazyLeopard got more of Artemis than Apex. The 300 baud just wouldn't decode clean on my system. Suspect the laptop might be a bit old and slow, or something.
[13:33] <jonsowman> that's really interesting
[13:33] <LazyLeopard> Followed Artemis down to 228 metres, though, and got most of a string at 178.
[13:33] <jonsowman> in the car we decoded all 300 baud fine
[13:33] <jonsowman> but had real issues with the 50baud
[13:34] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, could see that. But this laptop is old and just barely manages to run fldigi, so might have had trouble somewhere...
[13:34] <LazyLeopard> Oh, the 50 was clear as a bell. ;)
[13:35] <jonsowman> excellent, glad we included it then!
[13:35] <jonsowman> Artemis has been recovered
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> Good. :)
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> Know exactly where it was?
[13:36] <jonsowman> don't know anything else, just got a text from MrCraig
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[13:37] <jonsowman> hi MrCraig
[13:37] <MrCraig> hi all - just stopped in to say Artemis-1 recovered. Thanks to everyone for their help. Off now to a pub to review photo's and refresh :-)
[13:37] <MrCraig> Thanks again Jon :-)
[13:37] <jonsowman> no problems, glad it all went well!
[13:37] <jonsowman> hope to see the pictures soon
[13:38] <benoxley> glad to hear you got it, looked a bit hairy for a while
[13:38] <MrCraig> They'll be online this evening.
[13:38] <MrCraig> Thanks all - Pub o'clock!
[13:38] <MrCraig> bbs
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[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[13:46] <LazyLeopard> It's been fun to have some tracking to do for a change. I'd almost forgotten what to do... ;)
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[13:48] <fsphil> lol
[13:48] <fsphil> been a fun morning
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> What time's tomorrow's? Anyone know?
[13:49] Action: LazyLeopard is hoping it won't be quite so early... ;)
[13:49] <fsphil> 0900 UTC
[13:50] Action: LazyLeopard didn't manage to wake up enough to set up antenna and radio 'til 05:30 this morning...
[13:50] <LazyLeopard> Right. That's a nice sane launch time. :)
[13:50] <fsphil> nah, too early :)
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[13:51] <jonsowman> haha, er...
[13:51] <jonsowman> oops
[13:51] <fsphil> makes sense
[13:51] <jonsowman> git commit hash, nice
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[13:51] <jonsowman> that right?
[13:51] <fsphil> looks about right
[13:52] <MNSP> back again
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[13:52] <fsphil> re MNSP
[13:52] <MNSP> :)
[13:52] <fsphil> that's 10 BST right?
[13:53] Action: MNSP has a stinking cold and is ok sitting in front of laptop instead of being out in the sun
[13:53] <jonsowman> fsphil: yarr
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[13:53] <MNSP> any news from Craig?
[13:53] <fsphil> I was suppose to be leaving back the helium filler thingy today, but the owner called and said she doesn't need it. which is a shame, as she lives next to the beech!
[13:53] <jonsowman> MNSP: recovered
[13:53] <MNSP> Excellent!!!
[13:54] <fsphil> two perfect flights in one day
[13:54] <Matt_soton> well...
[13:54] <fsphil> GAGA-1 has a lot of pressure on it now :)
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[13:55] <MNSP> was the signal from artemis1 typical of transmission strength?
[13:56] <Matt_soton> seemed it where we were
[13:56] <Matt_soton> having launched ours in the same conditions ealier
[13:56] <fsphil> yes
[13:56] <fsphil> Apex may have been slightly stronger here
[13:56] <MNSP> ok, I need a much much much better aerial then
[14:02] <LazyLeopard> What've you got, MNSP ?
[14:02] <MNSP> just the whip on my ft790 and home made wire on end of coax
[14:03] <MNSP> was planning to make moxon today, but man-flu says no
[14:08] <fsphil> early prediction for a potential saturday launch: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=4f6e370c61f7f3ffb0d77e68619e62ac485f69c3
[14:09] <fsphil> could go either way
[14:09] <MNSP> wow close
[14:10] <fsphil> yea! if it stays like that I won't launch, but it's pretty certain to change
[14:10] <fsphil> just hopefully more inland
[14:12] <fsphil> I need to setup an hourly predictor
[14:12] <fsphil> my mission for today
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[15:39] <Upu> Icarus testing data ?
[15:41] <MNSP> ooo... am assuming so, otherwise its already over 2km up
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[16:53] <NigelMoby> Eugh need more sleep
[16:57] <NigelMoby> Hey mattltm
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[17:01] <LazyLeopard> Heh. I figure a fair number of this channel's usual inhabitants are going "Eurgh! Need sleeeep." today. ;)
[17:02] <mattltm> Hey all :)
[17:06] <NigelMoby> Yup lol
[17:06] <NigelMoby> How's Matt tday?
[17:16] Action: fsphil got sleep ;)
[17:16] <mattltm> Good NigelMoby. Just got back from London.
[17:16] <mattltm> And just applied for a new bike through the cyclescyme :)
[17:17] <NigelMoby> Yey ... which 1 ?
[17:17] <NigelMoby> Phil stole my sleep
[17:19] <fsphil> was some good sleep too!
[17:19] <mattltm> A marin Bobcat :)
[17:20] <fsphil> mmm bikes
[17:24] <NigelMoby> Mmm marin
[17:24] <NigelMoby> Cube are decent too
[17:25] <NigelMoby> Any1 want to come down and build a moxon.?
[17:27] <mattltm> Come down to where?
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[17:28] <NigelMoby> Cardiff LOL
[17:29] <mattltm> Ermmm....
[17:29] <mattltm> Lol.
[17:29] <NigelMoby> Lol
[17:29] <mattltm> Anyone else launching today?
[17:29] <NigelMoby> Nip
[17:29] <NigelMoby> Got Gaga tomoz
[17:30] <mattltm> Yup, its also the cambrage radio rally tomorrow so I will be up that way. Wonder what time they are launching?
[17:31] <mattltm> 9am.
[17:31] <mattltm> Shame :(
[17:31] <NigelMoby> Oo thought it later.. I best go rig the yagi to the line
[17:32] <LazyLeopard> 9:00 UTC I heard... which is about the same time the Foxton rally's doors open...
[17:32] <NigelMoby> Gaffa tape it is
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[17:32] <mattltm> LazyLeopard: Shame that. Will you be going to the rally?
[17:34] <LazyLeopard> I'll aim to track the flight, and if there's time afterwards then I might try the rally, but there's an astronomy event at the local nature centre tomorrow evening, and I've said I'd take a 'scope along...
[17:35] Action: fsphil will hopefully be up a mountain for tomorrows launch
[17:35] <LazyLeopard> I'll probably try to shoe-horn Kempton into next Sunday's schedule instead.
[17:35] <mattltm> Ahh. Well I will be at the rally. I may take the 857 and track the payload at around 11am if it is still in the air.
[17:36] <mattltm> Ah. Kempton. Thats a thought..
[17:36] <eroomde> yo
[17:37] <eroomde> anyone agregated the media from apex?
[17:37] <eroomde> me wants some piccies
[17:37] <LazyLeopard> You saw the ones posted earlier?
[17:38] <LazyLeopard> These two --> http://twitpic.com/4ipljf http://twitpic.com/4ipjmg
[17:39] <eroomde> thanks
[17:40] <eroomde> pretty
[17:40] <NigelMoby> Very
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[17:44] <priyesh> we're also going through the HD camera footage at the moment. but it may take a while to release due to its size
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[18:03] <jgrahamc> Anyone know why the predictor is hanging at 10%?
[18:04] <jgrahamc> Also, who can change the tracker to mention that the next flight is GAGA-1 tomorrow?
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[18:06] <MrCraig> Ahhh home at last. That's a long drive.
[18:06] <fsphil> jgrahamc, try the predictor again. I've cleared the cache
[18:06] <fsphil> congrats MrCraig !
[18:06] <jgrahamc> Thanks.
[18:06] <jgrahamc> Yeah, well done MrCraig!
[18:07] <MrCraig> Thanks :-) I'm just working on uploading the images now. Marginally disappointed with how they came out, I think because of lighting conditions and focal settings - but none the less very proud :-)
[18:08] <mattltm> MrCraig: Congratulations on your first launch :)
[18:08] <jgrahamc> Thanks fsphil. That's working now: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=0dc463bb92ad01c067bb9dbd78cd0a297dc70560
[18:09] <jgrahamc> What camera did you use MrCraig?
[18:09] <MrCraig> The cannon A540 jgrahamc
[18:10] <fsphil> that's still a fantastic flightpath jgrahamc
[18:10] <jgrahamc> Thanks MrCraig. I'm flying an A560 tomorrow.
[18:11] <jgrahamc> Yes, fsphil, let's hope for no overnight changes in wind!
[18:11] <fsphil> you could even reduce the ascent rate and still not drift too far, and gain some altitude
[18:11] <jgrahamc> Yes. I've run it for 4m/s and it's pretty similar.
[18:11] <jgrahamc> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=3fb41527479e1054982d5d3cd83c762a782c2122
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[18:11] <MrCraig> oh - erm is it the A560, yes that's what I flew sorry. it may have been my mistake with not setting the focal length, and it was very bright as an almost mid-day launch.
[18:11] <jgrahamc> You left it to run automatically?
[18:12] <MrCraig> yes, 15 second interva
[18:12] <MrCraig> intervals*
[18:12] <jgrahamc> Pretty much the same as I'll be doing tomorrow.
[18:13] <MrCraig> cool - good luck :-) What time is launch?
[18:13] <jgrahamc> Aiming for 0900 UTC, so perhaps 0930 UTC.
[18:13] <MrCraig> I'll point the antennae that way tomorrow
[18:14] <jgrahamc> Thanks. The more trackers the better!
[18:15] <MrCraig> For the record - the surface mount whip on the yaesu was amazing, it was picking up clear packets on the motorway while the balloon approached 30km and probably a good few miles across land. We started to lose it as it came down, but only had to resort to the directional once for a fix when it was close to ground.
[18:15] <MrCraig> the "old but amazing" from the wiki on that radio is very true with a 50ohm telescopic whip
[18:18] <jgrahamc> Interesting, because I'll be using a whip antenna on the chase car.
[18:19] <MrCraig> I considered using the magnetic whip on the car but the one I have I picked up for insanely cheap at a boot sale, it's not matched to the radio I think and when tested a couple of weeks ago it proved the worst of them - but that's likely just that it's old and crummy and probably 70ohm
[18:21] <fsphil> car aerials tend to be pretty rubbish on most frequencies
[18:21] <fsphil> (the built in aerial)
[18:23] <fsphil> did the hell beacon arrive jgrahamc?
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[18:29] <MrCraig> My brother just photoshopped a couple of the images and they clean up pretty well :)
[18:31] <fsphil> what mode did you have the camera in?
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[18:34] <MrCraig> fsphil: ISO 1600 - 3072x2304x24bpp
[18:34] <MrCraig> The focal length was 6mm
[18:34] <MrCraig> and I was saving to jpeg
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[18:41] <jgrahamc> Yes, I have the beacon fsphil
[18:42] <fsphil> coolies .. gonna have a listen for it
[18:51] <fsphil> CHDK's documentation is awful
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[19:01] <Hiena> Hi all!
[19:01] <MrCraig> hi Hiena
[19:03] <fsphil> hiya Hiena
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[19:07] <Hiena> Finished another slow burner, rocket fuel test. 90-95% Ammonium-nitrate (fine grain), 5-10% canvas stretcher varnish (high nitrocellulose content). The open air burning speed 4 sec/cm. survive 24 hour dipping without malfunction and ignite immediately.
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Water dipping?
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> End burner or core?
[19:07] <Hiena> Much better than the previous mixture.
[19:10] <Hiena> Core. I'll test the thrust with an A size tube. Hopes it will make 8-10 sec low thrust engine.
[19:11] Action: SpeedEvil forgets the nomenclature.
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> 10ns?
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> Ns
[19:12] <Hiena> Seems, the ammonium nitrate requires quite high temperature for the decomposition and it's slow process, which makes it perfect for a small modell propulsion.
[19:13] <Hiena> A = 1.26-2.5Ns
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[19:15] <Hiena> 10Ns is a C size.
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[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Unless it's not.
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
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[19:18] <Hiena> Usually i need low but steady thrust for the 1 meter scale modell level flight.
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[19:19] Action: SpeedEvil tries to remember the name of the Oooold pods thart did that for gliders.
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[19:19] <SpeedEvil> A two-ton anchor of Grandcamp was hurled 1.62 miles (2.61 km) and found in a 10-foot (3 m) crater. It now rests in a memorial park.
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[19:30] <Hiena> Well there is different between the fertilizer and explosives grade ammonium nitrate. The fertilizer contain lot of desensitizer agents, forthe explosives usually mixed with sealing and burning materials.
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[19:31] <MNSP> hello all :)
[19:31] <jgrahamc> Evening
[19:32] <MNSP> all set jgrahamc?
[19:32] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[19:32] <MNSP> hi mattltm
[19:32] <jgrahamc> I think so MNSP.
[19:33] <MNSP> excellent!
[19:33] <jgrahamc> I was running through my "day before" check list just a little while ago.
[19:33] <MNSP> brb
[19:33] <jgrahamc> Both computers boot successfully and get GPS lock. The camera works. The rigging is complete.
[19:33] <jgrahamc> Only one calamity: stolen car.
[19:34] <jgrahamc> I don't own a car and use Streetcar (I live in London) and someone stole the car I was taking tomorrow!
[19:34] <jgrahamc> Had to rent a car at the last minute because, of course, Streetcar is 100% booked at the weekend.
[19:35] <mattltm> Hi MNSP
[19:38] <Hiena> Also the ammonium nitrate is kind of two-face material. For the decomposition requires lot of external heat, due the high crystalline water content and stable structure. Over 180 degree it's became runaway. Funny but the additional materials could increase and reduce the speed of this process.
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[19:48] <SpeedEvil> Lucky git.
[19:48] Action: SpeedEvil would _love_ something like streetcar.
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[19:50] <fsphil> I can't remember how I turned off the A560's screen last time
[19:51] <NigeyS> phil
[19:51] <NigeyS> whats the 70cm repeater list link ?
[19:51] <NigeyS> got my yagi hanging unstably on top of that pole with gaffa tape and a pvc tube, lol
[19:51] <fsphil> http://www.ukrepeater.net/70cm.htm
[19:52] <NigeyS> merci
[19:52] <MrCraig> A560 - Turn off auto-preview and the screen doesn't come on during shooting.
[19:53] <fsphil> I have
[19:53] <MrCraig> still on?
[19:53] <fsphil> yep
[19:53] <MrCraig> there was an option in the maze of chdk stuff too iirc but I've done it only once.
[19:53] <LazyLeopard> MrCraig: Any ideas what happenned to tracking during descent when the system went all erratic for a while?
[19:54] <MrCraig> oh, display button
[19:54] <fsphil> I managed it last time, but silly me didn't backup the script
[19:54] <MrCraig> The script I was using had a pause on the 'alt/shift' button, the one next to the display button. I pressed that to pause the intervalometer, then hit display to turn off the screen, then that same button again to resume the script.
[19:55] <MrCraig> LazyLeopard: I didn't see any erratic behaviour during descent but I've not seen the full log yet. We had clear data coming in down to about 13km and then were on the road and lost it about 9km, whipped out the directional and picked up a few packets - and our final packet I think came from someone else as the battery died on the laptop.
[19:56] <fsphil> the way the camera sits in my box I can't press any of the buttons
[19:56] <MrCraig> LazyLeopard: I'll review the data tomorrow and see if I can spot what you mean (need to get it down from the server)
[19:56] <fsphil> other than the On/Off one
[19:57] <MrCraig> fsphil: annoying :-/ I had to load the camera into the payload as the balloon was filling for the same button pushing reason.
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[19:57] <MrCraig> Also, I was still soft-loading the firmware.
[19:57] <fsphil> I'm pretty sure it was just set_backlight 0
[19:57] <fsphil> but that's not working -- the script pauses and doesn't continue with that in it
[19:58] <MrCraig> ahh you're actually writing the script rather than just picking up an example and making do.
[19:58] <fsphil> modifying an existing one .. it was pretty ugly
[20:00] <LazyLeopard> MrCraig: Between records 0000739,11:23:17 and 0000775,11:40:35 ... you'll see what I mean. ;)
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[20:03] <MrCraig> fsphil: tried seek_display_mode(2) ?
[20:03] <fsphil> hmm... no, that's a new one for me... one sec
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[20:05] <fsphil> no, crashes
[20:05] <MrCraig> :-/
[20:06] <fsphil> whatever I did last time, the screen never turned on
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:07] <fsphil> sleepy :)
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah same here
[20:07] <MrCraig> hi Lunar_Lander - tired, sun stroked maybe - or just got up too early :)
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:15] <MrCraig> reviewing that log data - this is truly odd. Looks like a little additional debug required on the tracker before trying it again :)
[20:17] <mattltm> fsphil: HUGE lift on 2M tonight.
[20:18] <fsphil> oooh
[20:18] <fsphil> what are you hearing?
[20:18] <mattltm> France, Bristol and Ipswich so far.
[20:19] <fsphil> ssb?
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[20:20] <mattltm> Nope FM!
[20:20] <LazyLeopard> Antenna?
[20:20] <fsphil> MrCraig, got it! If in normal mode the display is turned off, it remembers it.
[20:21] <mattltm> Diamond X-300 vertical
[20:21] <MrCraig> aah clever script
[20:21] <fsphil> as long as the review is off, the screen never turns on
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[20:24] <fsphil> not a thing here
[20:24] <fsphil> on the vertical or the yagi facing east
[20:25] <mattltm> It's crazy here. Cant find a clear channel!
[20:26] <MNSP> hi all :)
[20:26] <fsphil> only one local repeater is active
[20:26] <fsphil> and that's just someone keying a mic every few minutes
[20:26] <mattltm> can you get into that echolink repeater fsphil?
[20:27] <fsphil> I haven't tried, but I'm sure I can
[20:27] <fsphil> it's not that far away
[20:28] <fsphil> it's going, just heard it doing the regular announcement thing it does
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[20:29] <mattltm> cool. jump on it and i'll join you if you like :)
[20:29] <fsphil> my vertical's hooked into the radio in the attic for tracking, lemme see if the yagi can hit it
[20:37] <fsphil> I think the yagi's pointing the wrong way ... one sec
[20:37] <mattltm> Not another one!
[20:37] <mattltm> lol @ NigeyS + fsphil
[20:38] Action: LazyLeopard decides sleep would be good about now... G'night folks.
[20:38] <MNSP> g'nite
[20:38] <mattltm> night.
[20:39] <MrCraig> g'night
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[20:40] <MNSP> and we get to do it all over at 10.00am :D
[20:40] <mattltm> Yay!
[20:40] <MNSP> lol
[20:42] <MNSP> do we know where gaga1 is launching from?
[20:42] <MrCraig> lol
[20:42] <jonsowman> Cambridge
[20:42] <jonsowman> Churchill College
[20:43] <MrCraig> hi jonsowman
[20:43] <jonsowman> hiya MrCraig
[20:43] <jonsowman> congrats on the launch!
[20:43] <MNSP> thanks jonsowman
[20:44] <jonsowman> MrCraig: lots of pretty pictures?
[20:44] <MrCraig> Thanks :-) It seems some interesting things happened with the data during the descent :) Thanks again for the help with launching and allowing us to use the site. I'm just processing the images now for upload
[20:44] <MNSP> am hoping I'll be able to better contribute with tracking on gaga1
[20:44] <MrCraig> Almost 1000 images, a little washed out by the sun and a little grainy in places - but we've photoshopped a couple and they clean up nice.
[20:46] <jonsowman> MrCraig: great stuff
[20:46] <jonsowman> yep, a lot of ours need some post-processing
[20:47] <MNSP> are any more online? I saw the two benoxley showed earlier
[20:47] <fsphil> mattltm, spider crawled up my sleeve when I was up there :p
[20:48] <jonsowman> MNSP: we're still trawling through them and sorting
[20:48] <mattltm> lol @ fsphil
[20:48] <jonsowman> two cameras each taking a photo every 10 secs for hours on end, quite a lot
[20:49] <MNSP> lol, sorry, am impatient
[20:49] <jonsowman> we've got ~12GiB of HD video to get through as well
[20:49] <jonsowman> in addition to videocam footage of launch prep and recovery, and many still images from several cameras from several people
[20:50] <jonsowman> basically, a /lot/ of stuff :P
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[20:52] <fsphil> mattltm, that crackley noise is me
[20:52] <mattltm> give me a moment. I need to connect.
[20:52] <fsphil> ah
[20:53] <mattltm> What is it's call fsphil?
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[20:53] <fsphil> MI7ICU, it's in the Ireland conference
[20:53] <fsphil> MB7 even
[20:53] <fsphil> I'm listening via the software but I can only hear some static when I talk
[20:54] <mattltm> Wont let me in :(
[20:54] <fsphil> you might have to connect to the conference instead
[20:54] <fsphil> I think that's how it works
[20:58] <mattltm> How are you connected fsphil?
[20:59] <fsphil> I went into Conferences, and connected to the *IRELAND* one
[21:00] <Dan-K2VOL> doing some voip?
[21:00] <mattltm> Im in :)
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[21:02] <mattltm> hear me fsphil?
[21:02] <fsphil> I heard that, lemme see
[21:02] <mattltm> lol. hi :p
[21:03] <MNSP> are you two talking to each other using two diff mediums?
[21:03] <mattltm> yup. total geek out. :p
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[21:03] <MNSP> LOL
[21:05] <NigeyS> im going in the frikkin loft in a minute!
[21:05] Action: NigeyS kicks yagi
[21:05] <fsphil> I needs more power!
[21:05] <mattltm> So it looks like I will be on my own at the cambridge rally tomorrow then :(
[21:05] <mattltm> lol @ NigeyS
[21:06] <NigeyS> hm matt i shuld be able to get GB7CD ?
[21:06] <NigeyS> its in bloody cardiff!
[21:06] <mattltm> Considering that the Ireland conferanci is one of the biggest, no one wants to talk to me!
[21:06] <fsphil> I'm trying lol
[21:06] <mattltm> NigeyS - let me check for you..
[21:07] <mattltm> NigeyS: GB7CD is a digital repeater so no, you cant get it.
[21:08] <mattltm> fsphil: I can hear the odd creckle :(
[21:08] <NigeyS> ahh oki
[21:08] <mattltm> No voice though :9
[21:08] <fsphil> that's me I'm afraid
[21:08] <fsphil> I'll talk louder..
[21:08] <mattltm> It's ok. Dont be scared. :)
[21:08] <mattltm> Got a tiny bit of voice but nothing useable.
[21:09] <fsphil> the yagi may be too low
[21:09] <fsphil> but I can hear it fine though
[21:09] <mattltm> Ah well. Worth a try anyhow.
[21:10] <mattltm> You need an 857 :)
[21:10] <fsphil> yep .. I'm more than half way to one now :)
[21:10] <mattltm> And your full 50W :0
[21:10] <mattltm> Good job.
[21:10] <fsphil> that repeater is quite near the launch site, might use it for updates
[21:11] <fsphil> hmm.. that wasn't me that time
[21:11] <NigeyS> matt btw i did tell you this rg58 was 7 / 8M in length didnt i ? lol
[21:12] <mattltm> NigeyS: I know the perfect thing to help you with your yagi problems...
[21:12] <mattltm> http://bit.ly/fpjynp
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[21:12] <NigeyS> haha i find a hammer much more satisfying!
[21:12] <MNSP> lol mattltm
[21:12] <mattltm> Yup. Get some good rg213 as a minimum.
[21:13] <mattltm> Get that G4 station fsphil?
[21:13] <fsphil> I hear it well yea
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[21:13] <mattltm> Your yagi V or H fsphil?
[21:13] <fsphil> V
[21:13] <fsphil> pointing directly west now
[21:14] <NigeyS> RG 213/U 50©
[21:14] <NigeyS> only £6.09
[21:14] <NigeyS> per metre @ maplin lmao
[21:15] <mattltm> lol. About 70p-£1 per meter at a rally.
[21:15] <mattltm> You can buy some of mine for £6 per meter :)
[21:15] <fsphil> I'll sell you some for only £5 per metre .. a bargin!
[21:15] <NigeyS> hahaha
[21:15] <NigeyS> so nice of you
[21:15] <mattltm> Including free postage :)
[21:16] <mattltm> Was that you fsphil?
[21:16] <fsphil> nope
[21:16] <fsphil> I'll try again..
[21:16] <NigeyS> phil you have a rotator ?
[21:16] <mattltm> fsphil: crispy :(
[21:17] <fsphil> I don't
[21:17] <fsphil> someone's trying to out-static me
[21:17] <mattltm> lol.
[21:17] <NigeyS> how do you turn your yagi then? i dont vision you climbing ladders .. lol
[21:17] <fsphil> This one it's in the attic :)
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[21:18] <fsphil> If i used the vertical I might have better luck, but I'd need to go into the attic again....
[21:18] <NigeyS> ahh
[21:18] <NigeyS> might go jump in my attick
[21:18] <mattltm> Watch out for spiders!
[21:18] <NigeyS> how long you about for matt? lol
[21:18] <fsphil> I need more RG213
[21:19] <mattltm> £6 per meter to you fsphil :p
[21:19] <mattltm> A while Nigey
[21:20] <mattltm> You want me to draw you a diagram with SOUTH EAST marked on it? :)
[21:20] <fsphil> lol
[21:20] <mattltm> Oh KB8 :)
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[21:21] <jonsowman> if anyone wants some rg58, I've got a tonne of it lying around -- you can have some for the cost of postage
[21:21] <jonsowman> I realise rg58 is not great, but still
[21:21] <Dan-K2VOL> that would not be cost effective for me
[21:21] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
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[21:21] <mattltm> lol @ Dan-K2VOL
[21:21] <jonsowman> Dan-K2VOL: haha, cheap postage over to you might not be too bad
[21:21] <Dan-K2VOL> but thank you
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> back
[21:22] <jonsowman> right, sleep time. night all
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> night johnsowman
[21:22] <mattltm> night jonsowman
[21:22] <Dan-K2VOL> looks like groffonbot is down
[21:23] <Dan-K2VOL> or wait, maybe my tweet is slow
[21:23] <NigeyS> mattltm, no! lmao
[21:23] <mattltm> lol
[21:23] <NigeyS> saying that cba, left the ladders in the garden!
[21:23] <NigeyS> just thinking now, launch tomoz is from churchill again ?
[21:24] <mattltm> Yes.
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> yep looks like the bot didn't catch the tweet
[21:24] <Dan-K2VOL> but that's jonsowman's beast isn't it?
[21:24] <mattltm> Comeon Nigey, get on the train. I'll pick you up from London :)
[21:24] <NigeyS> oh the bot isnt here dan
[21:25] <Dan-K2VOL> oh did it go to the launch?
[21:25] <NigeyS> mattltm, complicated
[21:25] <mattltm> lol.
[21:25] <NigeyS> i dont travel to well atm
[21:25] <NigeyS> my body knows its antenna related and says no! lmao
[21:25] <mattltm> lol.
[21:27] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, it went to both launches, then off to the pub, AWOL since :o
[21:28] <fsphil> what was that
[21:28] <fsphil> (re: echolink)
[21:28] <mattltm> Don't know. I got disconnected.
[21:29] <MNSP> LOL
[21:29] <fsphil> someone accidently cued the mic .. all I could hear was some woman with a deep american accent going "he got one eye closed"
[21:30] <mattltm> lol.
[21:31] <MNSP> sorry, my LOL was in the wrong place, I wasn't laughing at mattltm getting disconnected
[21:31] <NigeyS> you dont wanna get it in the eye ......
[21:31] <NigeyS> *gets coat*
[21:31] <mattltm> lol.
[21:32] <NigeyS> i need to change fldigi settings from 10 ele yagi to 10 el DEAF yagi
[21:33] Action: MNSP is wondering what nigeys doesn't want in his eye *shudder*
[21:33] <NigeyS> ewww lol
[21:33] <mattltm> lol
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[21:34] <NigeyS> did icarus launch today or something? :|
[21:35] <MNSP> I did see that earlier.. thought it was a test or something
[21:35] <NigeyS> must be, time stamp says 12:21pm and that was same time artemis was up
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[21:36] <NigeyS> hmm gf has bought me garden gloves, and some heavy duty bin bags, either she wants me to kill somone or im expected to tidy the garden tomorrow :(
[21:36] <MNSP> hmm I saw it on the track a little while later on but yeah round about then
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[21:49] <mattltm> NigeyS: Been stable since we changed your hardware.
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[21:50] <NigeyS> yeah i was looking earlier, seems to be fine now, very odd that was
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[21:51] <MNSP> night all, see you for gaga1
[21:51] <MrCraig> g'night MNSP
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[21:53] <fsphil> yay ebay -- got some helium filler thingys
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[21:54] <NigeyS> linky phil
[21:55] <fsphil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230604602472
[21:55] <mattltm> nice. You win fsphil?
[21:55] <fsphil> yea
[21:56] <mattltm> cheap :)
[21:56] <fsphil> yea, I'm worried it might be too cheap!
[21:56] <mattltm> lol.
[21:56] <fsphil> will be nice to have a gauge of some sort, I've no idea how much is left in this cylinder
[22:04] <NigeyS> lol lots!
[22:05] <MrCraig> ok - I did a booboo - I've had to thumbnail all the images and I'm uploading the entire lot (a little over 900 images including ground shots before and after, around 1.2GB) so it's going to take some time. Meanwhile I've written a blog post with just two images that have been photoshopped some : http://craigchapman.me.uk/ballooncam/2011/04/artemis-flight-success/ - the link inside will be dead until the images are upl
[22:05] <NigeyS> hey mrC !
[22:05] <MrCraig> ty NigeyS :)
[22:06] <NigeyS> your flight was .. interesting! lol
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> MrCraig?
[22:06] <MrCraig> lol yeah there was some ascii excitment
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> Payload conficguration details?
[22:06] <MrCraig> Yes Lunar_Lander?
[22:06] <NigeyS> gps module mustve had some sort of hissy fit, was rather squiffy for a wee while
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> *configuration
[22:06] <NigeyS> hey Kevin i didnt see you come back!
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> np NigeyS
[22:07] <MrCraig> Lunar_Lander - Are you asking for some detail in particular or telling me I should have more data in the blog?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> I am just beginning to check out your blog :)
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> but could you tell me what sensors you had on board?
[22:08] <MrCraig> :-) Just telemetry and a cannon A560
[22:08] <MrCraig> This was my first flight, a sounding flight.
[22:08] <NigeyS> The amount indicated covers not only the actual cost of Carriage, but any packing materials, the time taken to pack, fill out labels and receipts and taking down to the Post Office and waiting in the queue for half an hour whilst some little old lady pays for her Car Tax with Yen Travellers Cheques and a half full bottle of Gin filled with 1p pieces!
[22:08] <NigeyS> haaaaaaahahahahaha
[22:08] <fsphil> lol yea
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[22:09] <fsphil> He's done this a few times from the sounds of it
[22:10] <mattltm> lol.
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> what did the telemetry say?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> only GPS?
[22:11] <fsphil> I managed to receive apex from 563.5km -- quite chuffed with that :)
[22:12] <MrCraig> Lunar_Lander: yes GPS only
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> well done :)
[22:12] <MrCraig> that to me or fsphil? lol and thanks.
[22:12] <fsphil> lol
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> both
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:13] <fsphil> I received more strings from Artemis-1 though -- possibly because of the better altitude
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[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[22:16] <MrCraig> fsphil: I'm curious to know if the circuitry performed better with that potential drop configuration, and if the errors that came out while tracking descent were due to power failing, possibly caused by the same.
[22:16] <MrCraig> hello jcoxon
[22:16] <jcoxon> evening
[22:17] <jcoxon> congrats on the launches
[22:17] <jcoxon> both recovered?
[22:17] <MrCraig> Both recovered jcoxon :-)
[22:17] <NigeyS> evening james
[22:17] <MrCraig> I've yet to see images from Apex
[22:18] <mattltm> Right. Im off to bed or I wont make it to cambrige tomorrow!
[22:18] <fsphil> MrCraig, the potential drop? the voltage divider?
[22:18] <mattltm> Night all :0
[22:18] <fsphil> g'night mattltm
[22:18] <fsphil> hyia jcoxon
[22:19] <MrCraig> fsphil: yeah
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[22:19] <MrCraig> Goodnight mattltm
[22:20] <fsphil> I doubt it would have caused the data problem .. I haven't seen it yet, was it just totally random characters?
[22:20] <fsphil> aah
[22:20] <MrCraig> yes, but still passed the checksum which indicates it came out of the onboard software
[22:20] <fsphil> Ooh I did notice something funky going on, every one of your checksums began with a 7
[22:21] <fsphil> you effectively only had an 8-bit checksum
[22:21] <MrCraig> It's potentially a buffer overrun, but knowing that chip quite intimately now I'd have expected repeats of earlier data.
[22:22] <MrCraig> That makes sense because when I ported the C example I translated the char data type as byte.
[22:22] <jcoxon> so another flight tomorrow
[22:22] <fsphil> though the corrupt data was definitely on transmittion, not reception -- multiple listeners got the same characters
[22:23] <MrCraig> well, it'll get a good debug session before flying the same board again. (chuffed that I get to reuse)
[22:23] <jcoxon> MrCraig, half the price now
[22:23] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:23] <fsphil> MrCraig, always in the altitude field too
[22:23] <fsphil> is your code online anywhere?
[22:24] <MrCraig> jcoxon: a lot less even, having bought all the other stuff that you need to have.
[22:24] <fsphil> The second time is always calmer :)
[22:24] <fsphil> and by the time you get to 20 launches, you'll have achieved HAB ZEN
[22:24] <jcoxon> yeah - i have enough junk now to make payloads without purchasing anything
[22:24] <jcoxon> will people listen out for my beacon tomorrow
[22:24] <MrCraig> Not yet fsphil, but it will be sometime this week. I'm planning a more technical blog post and to duplicate on the wiki while I'm still off work.
[22:24] <fsphil> okie
[22:25] <MrCraig> I'll listen
[22:25] <jcoxon> well track too
[22:25] <fsphil> I'm going to get the yagis out if the weather up the mountain is nice
[22:25] <MrCraig> lol *nods I wasn't being literal.
[22:28] <fsphil> where are a couple of Apex images posted to twitter earlier
[22:29] <fsphil> http://twitpic.com/4ipljf and http://twitpic.com/4ipjmg
[22:30] <MrCraig> oh wow, those are stunning
[22:31] <fsphil> they are that
[22:31] <fsphil> looking forward to seeing the video
[22:34] <jcoxon> fsphil, will you tweet if you hear my beacon
[22:34] <jcoxon> as i'll be at work and can't get anything
[22:34] <jcoxon> apart from twitter on my phone
[22:34] <fsphil> yep, will do
[22:35] <fsphil> I'll make a recording if I remember
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[22:39] <NigeyS> james i can try the beacon on global tuners
[22:39] <MrCraig> Time for bed. Goodnight all.
[22:39] <NigeyS> the folkstone xmitter carried artemis pretty much all the way today
[22:39] <NigeyS> reciever*
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[22:39] <jcoxon> only listen for the beacon if enough people are tracking
[22:40] <jcoxon> its a secondary objective
[22:40] <jcoxon> also be prepared for some drift
[22:40] <NigeyS> oki dokie will do
[22:40] <NigeyS> if i get my yagi working i can listen for gaga on that and the beacon on the laptop
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[22:44] <fsphil> is it possible to have the A560 take small video clips via script?
[22:47] <NigeyS> hmm not sure, b good if it did
[22:47] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:47] <NigeyS> hey Shuffty
[22:47] <jcoxon> i think it is possible
[22:47] <jcoxon> right another 12hr shift tomorrow
[22:47] <jcoxon> sleep time for me
[22:48] <fsphil> eek
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[22:50] <NigeyS> i cant get over that image from APEX
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[22:50] <NigeyS> absolutely stunning, makes it all worth while just to see that!
[22:55] <Shuffty> Hey Nigeys... sorry - a million and one things on the go..
[22:56] <NigeyS> np dude
[22:56] <Shuffty> jcoxon - got the breakout board this morning - many thanks.
[22:56] <NigeyS> how's you ?
[22:56] <Shuffty> had my garage broken into last night... feckers
[22:57] <NigeyS> ach bastardos!
[22:57] <Dan-K2VOL> yikes
[22:57] <Shuffty> spent most of todat installing cctv / security lighting etc...
[22:57] <NigeyS> meh people just dont give a shit nowadays, really gets me angry!
[22:57] <Shuffty> Got a great motion tracking system in place now - but it seems to think that fly's are intruders! :-) lol
[22:58] <NigeyS> haha oops
[22:58] <Shuffty> I put the system live and it sent me about 50 email immediatly to tell me a fly was near my garage..
[22:59] <Shuffty> how did the balloons go today?
[22:59] <NigeyS> pretty good
[22:59] <fsphil> Fly's are the enemy!
[22:59] <fsphil> Install Spiders
[22:59] <NigeyS> apex was up on time, recovered, same for artemis .. a nice successful day in hab land
[22:59] <fsphil> I can lend you some
[22:59] <NigeyS> lolphil!
[23:00] <Shuffty> :-)
[23:00] <fsphil> There was a large bee in one of my nest boxes today, got about 40Mb of motion triggered video
[23:00] <NigeyS> i have a HUGE 1 in the corner of my shed i can send you to
[23:00] <Shuffty> I was all excited to try and track them both, but had to do maintanence - will try to track gaga1 tomorrow!
[23:01] <Shuffty> I'll pm my mailing address...
[23:01] <Shuffty> :-)
[23:01] <NigeyS> haha good man
[23:01] <NigeyS> ill tell the gf to go get it .. oh no wait ..she's scared of it
[23:01] <fsphil> silly non-insects
[23:02] <NigeyS> :p
[23:03] <fsphil> hmm... I keep getting RAW images from the canon
[23:04] <NigeyS> ouch, theyre huge aswell arent they ?
[23:05] <fsphil> 8.8 Mb each
[23:05] <fsphil> er, MB
[23:05] <NigeyS> big enough to use alot of space very quickly :/
[23:07] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone use this sort of thing for arduino to do PROGMEM easily?
[23:07] <Dan-K2VOL> printf_P(PSTR("Critical GPS Failure\n"));"
[23:08] <fsphil> yea
[23:08] <fsphil> I store some error messages in progmem
[23:08] <Dan-K2VOL> do you do it that way or do it in a separate define
[23:08] <fsphil> just as you have it there
[23:09] <fsphil> (well, not with printf_P -- another function)
[23:10] <Dan-K2VOL> mind sharing code?
[23:11] <fsphil> https://github.com/fsphil/hadie/blob/master/hadie.c
[23:11] <fsphil> search for rtx_string_P
[23:11] <Dan-K2VOL> https://github.com/fsphil/hadie/blob/master/hadie.cx
[23:13] <NigeyS> rtx_string_P(PSTR(PREFIX CALLSIGN ":Geronimo!!!!\n"));
[23:13] <NigeyS> haha i love that
[23:14] <Dan-K2VOL> where's it defined
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[23:16] <Dan-K2VOL> ok, that gives me some clues. thanks fsphil
[23:18] <Upu> great pictures from that dawn launch
[23:19] <NigeyS> hey upu, awsome arent they
[23:19] <Upu> is the full set up yet ?
[23:20] <NigeyS> i dont think so, ive only seen links for those 2
[23:20] <NigeyS> how did the exams go ?
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[23:22] <Upu> How did the exams go 2E0UPU to you mate
[23:22] <Upu> * subject to availibility
[23:22] <fsphil> MI6UPU too I guess then :)
[23:22] <fsphil> er
[23:22] <fsphil> without the I even
[23:22] <Upu> if I was at your house yes
[23:23] <Upu> MI6UPU/P I think
[23:23] <Upu> forgotten already :)
[23:23] <fsphil> it's /A but optional :)
[23:23] <Upu> yeah
[23:23] <Upu> I did get that one right in the exam
[23:24] <Upu> re-jigged my antenna on the payload this afternoon
[23:24] <Upu> didn't like the way it could swing about so fixed it to the bottom with no movement
[23:24] <NigeyS> haha congrats dude :)
[23:25] <Upu> cheers :)
[23:25] <fsphil> yes, swingy antenna is no good
[23:25] <Upu> your launch taught me that :)
[23:25] <fsphil> lol
[23:25] <Upu> not even joking
[23:25] <Upu> been bothering me ever since you had issues
[23:26] <fsphil> here too!
[23:27] <fsphil> I've been looking at ways of keeping things a bit sturdier without making it fragile
[23:27] <Upu> guy at the radio club suggested copper tape along the bottom of the payload for the grounding and just a wire sticking out the bottom
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> mrcraig to bed?
[23:28] <fsphil> not a bad idea
[23:28] <fsphil> (copper tape, not mrcraig to bed)
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:29] <Upu> well he does seem to know what he's talking about
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[23:32] <NigeyS> copper tape inside or outside ?
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[23:34] <fsphil> outside probably
[23:34] <Upu> outside but stuck to the bottom of the payload for the ground radials
[23:34] <fsphil> it wouldn't have the 45 deg angle the datasheet recommends, but I've no idea how much affect that has
[23:35] <NigeyS> hmm interesting
[23:36] <Upu> well I'm going to launch mine with the ground radials @ 90' to the main one
[23:36] <Upu> in that config Rob Harrison easily decoded my signal from 10 miles away at ground level
[23:37] <Upu> we both live on the hills with a valley between us but still 10 miles not properly LoS isn't bad
[23:38] <NigeyS> still pretty impressive
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[23:39] <Upu> so copper tape is on my list for Ava2
[23:39] <khotchkiss> anybody know how to connect http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9944 to a radio mic-in port or anything like that?
[23:40] <Upu> hi there khotchkiss
[23:40] <khotchkiss> suupp
[23:40] <Upu> that just looks like a board full of sensors
[23:41] <Upu> you'd use the outputs on the ATmega to connect to a radio
[23:41] <khotchkiss> Yeah =P First saw radio out on there and got excited thinking it would just plug into a handheld radio
[23:41] <Upu> nah
[23:41] <Upu> not that I can see
[23:41] <khotchkiss> Yeah.
[23:41] <khotchkiss> Too bad it can't be that easy =P
[23:41] <Upu> In addition, it has an ATmega328 at the heart with connections for a GPS module, radio, and an external temperature sensor.
[23:41] <Upu> thats the fun part linking it all up
[23:42] <Upu> are you in the UK ?
[23:42] <khotchkiss> Nah.. usa
[23:42] <khotchkiss> I hear UK can't put an amateur radio in the air either way?
[23:42] <Upu> no we can't
[23:43] <Upu> however we can use 10mW license exempt transmitters
[23:43] <Upu> which don't do bad
[23:43] <khotchkiss> Yeah.
[23:43] <Upu> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/ntx2
[23:43] <Upu> this one
[23:43] <khotchkiss> I just want to connect a board to a small handheld and call it a day
[23:43] <Upu> not happening :)
[23:43] <fsphil> those beasties can be received over 560km with good line-of-sight
[23:43] <khotchkiss> ... Wow.
[23:44] <Upu> yep
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[23:45] <Upu> night lunar
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[23:50] <Upu> well I'm calling a night too
[23:51] <Upu> remember what JFK sai khotchkiss
[23:51] <Upu> not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win,
[23:51] <Upu> night
[23:51] <khotchkiss> Night!
[23:52] <khotchkiss> Thanks for the help!
[23:54] <NigeyS> hm why does it seem impossible to find some kind of bracket to go onto a scaffold type pole ? :|
[23:56] <fsphil> the antenna not have a bracket?
[23:57] <NigeyS> yeah, but i need some kind of bracket on the washing line pole to connect the pole to
[23:57] <NigeyS> antenna has a lovelt bracket for connecting to a smallish diameter pole, qquite sterdy
[23:57] <NigeyS> lovely*
[23:58] <NigeyS> think this washing line pole is about 3 inch diameter though
[23:58] <fsphil> mmm see what you mean
[23:59] <NigeyS> for tomorrow its gonna be gaffa tape, itll hold for a few hours lol
[23:59] <NigeyS> got a safety cable that'll stop it clonking me on the head
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