highaltitude.log.20110404

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[00:19] <W0OTM> iHAB cutdown module http://t.co/iuFRg3G
[00:20] <Dan-K2VOL> what's your rope diameter W0OTM
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[00:21] <NigelMoby> Lol
[00:21] <NigelMoby> Hey Dan
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[00:21] <SAIDias> dont remember
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[00:23] <W0OTM> I wanna say 18g
[00:24] <W0OTM> http://t.co/V0N5aGg
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[00:29] <W0OTM> i will make a youtube video tomorrow
[00:30] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Story of the 5V failure and investigation - teamwork and good project documentation made it possible http://j.mp/hQrFe7 #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/54702271736451073]
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[00:50] <griffonbot> @CollegeARC: K2GXT HAB Drop Test 1 http://t.co/Lf3wQey via @youtube #arhab #hamr #hamradio [http://twitter.com/CollegeARC/status/54707490130100224]
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[05:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:14] <MI6VIM> that's weird
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[09:14] <mattltm-alt> Hi all :)
[09:14] <fsphil> ello ello
[09:15] <mattltm-alt> Whats weird?
[09:17] <fsphil> oh, saw myself leave in a net split
[09:18] <mattltm-alt> lol.
[09:19] <mattltm-alt> Has NigeyS been about?
[09:22] <fsphil> not recently
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[09:51] <fsphil> [ot] guy I know has a shop in the town, recorded this on his cctv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONZr4qakjQ
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[10:13] <hibby> morning all
[10:15] <SpeedEvil1> While technically correct, that is much less impressive than it should be fsphil :)
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[10:34] <fsphil> morning hibby
[10:34] <fsphil> um SpeedEvil?
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[10:35] <hibby> what's the github for fldigi, anyone know?
[10:35] <hibby> gave it a quick google, but I thought it was on github
[10:36] <hibby> (Just want to study the settings code for my own program :))
[10:37] <hibby> found it.
[10:40] <fsphil> fldigi isn't on github
[10:40] <fsphil> ah, you got it
[10:40] <hibby> indeed
[10:40] <hibby> looooooooooooooads of code though
[10:40] <hibby> lol
[10:41] <fsphil> yea she's a beastie of a program
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I was meaning it looked like it was going to end in a high-speed impact. :)
[10:42] <fsphil> lol yea I was kinda hoping for that too ;)
[10:43] <fsphil> worst thing is, nobody believed him about it when he was telling them - because of the date
[10:45] <hibby> looking to make a popup window for settings, but gtk and I just aren't getting on this morning.
[10:47] <fsphil> in fldigi? might be easier sticking to fltk
[10:47] <hibby> nah, for my own program ;)
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[11:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:05] <hibby> hola
[11:05] <Lunar_Lander> launch imminent?
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[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh I see
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> tomorrow
[11:10] <fsphil> coolies
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[11:10] <fsphil> hope the wind calms a bit, it's mighty breezy here today
[11:10] <fsphil> hiya luner!
[11:10] <fsphil> er, lunar
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[11:12] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[11:12] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK_
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[11:16] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar Lander
[11:19] <griffonbot> Received email: andrewallan <andrewscottallan@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: SKYPOD LAUNCH"
[11:21] <jonsowman> natrium42: ping
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[11:22] <fsphil> ooh no launch tomorrow
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[11:33] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[11:34] <hibby> assume it's weather grounds again
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[11:46] <Shuffty> Morning / afternoon all.
[11:48] <fsphil> ello
[11:49] <jonsowman> morning
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[12:46] <NigeyS> afternoooooon
[12:48] <fsphil> indeed it is!
[12:52] <NigeyS> hey phil!
[12:57] <fsphil> how's things over yonder?
[12:58] <NigeyS> not to bad fella, you ?
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[13:00] <fsphil> monday -- meh, the usual :)
[13:01] <NigeyS> mondays generally suck :/
[13:05] <fsphil> not always, but usually
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[13:13] <jgrahamc> Reckon I'll launch at exactly this time on Sunday: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7a9f8bd2946cf42b83a43e3cb2bed448d2836eb1 :-)
[13:13] <jgrahamc> No need to go anywhere.
[13:15] <GW8RAK> A busy weekend of launches and I'm away :(
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[13:19] <LazyLeopard> jgrahamc: Heh, weird... ;)
[13:20] <jgrahamc> Convenient, but I probably don't want my payload flying through Cambridge at a low altitude.
[13:22] <LazyLeopard> ...getting tangled in the New Cavendish labs, or the IoA. ;)
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[13:42] <fsphil> wow, fantastic prediction jgrahamc
[13:43] <jgrahamc> Saw it randomly while looking at the hourly predictor for this Sunday. Too funny.
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[13:52] <SpeedEvil> That is impressive. :)
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[14:10] <fsphil> looks like I was on the wrong side of that net split
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> `1
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> oops
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[14:13] <NigeyS> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/04/global_observer_prang/
[14:13] <NigeyS> woops
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[14:28] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
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[15:01] <NigeyS> hmmm
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[15:16] <mattltm-alt> AGH! What is it with people!
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> freaking brains how do they work
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[15:19] <NigeyS> uhoh
[15:19] <NigeyS> hey eroomde
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[15:19] <mattltm-alt> Hey NigeyS
[15:19] <NigeyS> hey matt!
[15:19] <NigeyS> just the man actually
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[15:28] <NigeyS> morning Dan
[15:31] <NigeyS> anyone know if 433.92 is legal for unlicensed noobs like me ?
[15:31] <eroomde> hi NigeyS
[15:32] <eroomde> NigeyS: I think it might be if you stick to <10mW erp with approved modules
[15:32] <NigeyS> dam :( was gonna to try a c/w beacon with the SF xmitter but seems its 433.92
[15:33] <eroomde> why dam? I think that would be legal
[15:34] <NigeyS> is it not legal if its below 434 ?
[15:34] <NigeyS> illegal*
[15:34] <eroomde> gah, ok give me a min
[15:35] <eroomde> i'll try and find this wretched pdf that is somewhere on my hdd
[15:35] <NigeyS> lol, sure, tnx
[15:35] <eroomde> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/research-guidelines-tech-info/interface-requirements/IR2030final.pdf
[15:36] <eroomde> page 16
[15:36] <eroomde> first row
[15:36] <eroomde> you're all set
[15:36] <NigeyS> excellent, that'll do nicely :D
[15:36] <NigeyS> thank you Ed
[15:37] <eroomde> np
[15:37] <eroomde> two boxes arrived in our lab today
[15:38] <NigeyS> oo, what goodies have you got today ?
[15:38] <eroomde> ed rosten has got them as toys to help us with the 3D reconstruction from the airship data
[15:38] <eroomde> a good blag!
[15:38] <eroomde> each box is a 1U server, which has 48 cores and 256GB RAM
[15:38] <NigeyS> bloody eck!
[15:39] <eroomde> it's actually not bad - they're about $10k each which is just remarkable. Moores law rocks
[15:39] <NigeyS> oh aye, that's some serious number crunching
[15:39] <eroomde> like a serious amateur could afford that kind of hardware and do some really serious things with it
[15:40] <NigeyS> i could do alot with the ram alone!
[15:40] <eroomde> :)
[15:40] <eroomde> well we can put an entire hour's flight data as a ram disk, which is great
[15:40] <NigeyS> make me drool even more and tell me that ram is ECC
[15:41] <mattltm-alt> Yes, 433.92 is allowed for arborne licence free use.
[15:41] <mattltm-alt> Max 10mw ERP with a 10% duty cycle
[15:41] <eroomde> yes it is ECC i beleive
[15:41] <NigeyS> mattltm-alt, music to my ears!
[15:42] <NigeyS> eroomde, i'm on my way with some game servers to install ok? :p
[15:43] <mattltm-alt> FYI. here is the handy pdf my ofcom contact sent me.. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/research-guidelines-tech-info/interface-requirements/IR2030final.pdf
[15:43] <NigeyS> aha same 1 as Ed sent, ive saved it now, very useful doc to have floating around!
[15:44] <eroomde> :)
[15:44] <eroomde> i think they'll be quite busy
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[15:44] <eroomde> i'm just looking forward to compiling the reconstruction software
[15:45] <eroomde> not often you get to pass '-j48' as an arguement to gcc
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[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:45] <NigeyS> hehehe oh you're going to love it!
[15:46] <NigeyS> evening Lunar_Lander
[15:46] <NigeyS> eroomde, what is the end result for the data collected, will that get used / published somewhere ?
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS did you send the new letter today?
[15:48] <NigeyS> not yet, ive been out most of the day, ill put it in the post first thing tomorrow though
[15:49] <eroomde> NigeyS: yep
[15:50] <eroomde> being used by the avalanche institute
[15:50] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[15:51] <NigeyS> oh some very useful data then, nice work!
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> my keyboard failed!
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> check this
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> uvwyz
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> which letter is missing?
[15:52] <NigeyS> lol you're missing an x
[15:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:52] <Lunar_Lander> I can hit the button as hard as I can and it doesn't work
[15:52] <Lunar_Lander> all the other ones work
[15:52] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[15:52] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: unicomp customizer 104
[15:52] <eroomde> best money i've spent recently
[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah, thanks
[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> the key still doens't work
[15:55] <eroomde> mmm, my advice is medium term
[15:55] <eroomde> take your keyboard apart and look for a broken trace
[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> good idea, thanks
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[15:56] <NigeyS> if all else fails ... a big hammer :)
[15:56] <SamSilver> * - +
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[15:56] <SamSilver> * - + = x
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> a friend told me to wash the keyboard
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> is this idea a) brilliant b) idiotic ?
[16:00] <DanielRichman> c) futile
[16:00] <NigeyS> d) ?
[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[16:02] <SamSilver> MAYBE HE SAID bASH THE KEYBOARD
[16:02] <SamSilver> opps Bash the keyboard
[16:02] <SamSilver> thats two sugestions for the use of a hammer
[16:03] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander - I'd say it's not worth the effort, USB keyboards are so cheap and common
[16:03] <Dan-K2VOL> or is it a laptop
[16:03] <mattltm-alt> Stick it in the dishwasher.
[16:03] <Dan-K2VOL> in which case do not put your laptop in the automatic dishwashing machine
[16:03] <NigeyS> lmao
[16:03] <mattltm-alt> lol.
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> no but it is a cherry keyboard
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> lol @ laptop in dishwasher
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> bt
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody of you collect "Nuts & Volts"?
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> the magazine
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[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL> :-P
[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL> no, but I learned the Basic stamp when I was a kid using that
[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> because there are some articles by Paul Verhage that he doesn't have on the paralla(key doesn't work) site
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[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> a geiger counter telescope an an IR telescope
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[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> *and
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[16:49] <SamSilver> bbl
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[16:53] <NigeyS> evening jcoxon
[16:53] <jcoxon> hey NigeyS
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
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[17:04] <jonsowman> hi jc
[17:04] <jonsowman> uh, jcoxon
[17:04] <jcoxon> hey jonsowman
[17:04] <MNSP> hello all :)
[17:05] <NigeyS> hi jonsowman , MNSP
[17:05] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[17:06] <MNSP> looks like a busy weekend for UK 'HABing'
[17:07] <NigeyS> yeah, going to be really good
[17:08] <MNSP> am quiet excited by it all, but then I am easily pleased
[17:09] Action: fsphil is all ready for some tracking :)
[17:09] <NigeyS> hehe im excited to, might actually get to put this yagi to some use!
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[17:09] <jonsowman> anyone planning to be up for Apex? hehe
[17:10] <NigeyS> i will be jon :D
[17:10] <fsphil> I'll probably try too
[17:10] <jonsowman> haha, we are very grateful!
[17:10] <MNSP> urrrm
[17:10] <fsphil> mornings are alien to me though :)
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[17:12] <MNSP> I know about mrcraig, graham and skypod...
[17:12] Nick change: Randomskk_ -> Randomskk
[17:12] <jonsowman> MNSP: we are launching Project Apex at 4.45am on Saturday
[17:12] <jonsowman> from Cambridge
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[17:13] <MNSP_> Right, I'm afraid I may have to still say.... errrm :P
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[17:13] <jonsowman> MNSP_: http://www.apexhab.org
[17:14] <NigeyS> fsphil, who's making the coffee ?
[17:14] <fsphil> well it takes an hour before I can receive it, so I get to lie in a bit :)
[17:15] <fsphil> ooh I wish my preamp had arrived
[17:15] <NigeyS> im out friday night to .. should be fun tracking a balloon half drunk :|
[17:16] <fsphil> It's ... that way .. *points up*
[17:16] <NigeyS> lmao
[17:16] <NigeyS> how's the hardware coming alone jon ?
[17:17] <jonsowman> pretty much done
[17:17] <jcoxon> urgh super long telem strings
[17:17] <jonsowman> ionising radiation detectors need integrating into the payload
[17:17] <jcoxon> forgot about your crazy payload
[17:17] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yeah, sorry
[17:17] <NigeyS> jonsowman, great!
[17:17] <jonsowman> the horribleness is slightly mitigated by 300 baud telem though
[17:17] <jcoxon> fair enough :-p
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[17:18] <MNSP_> so we've got 4 going up in the next few days
[17:18] <fsphil> eeek
[17:18] <jonsowman> :)
[17:18] <NigeyS> you should charge people per byte of telem for access to spacenear .. you'd be rich whenever apex launches lol
[17:18] <LazyLeopard> 04:45.........
[17:18] Action: MNSP_ see how all of a sudden its become *we*
[17:18] <fsphil> yea, BST or GMT?
[17:18] <jonsowman> BST
[17:19] <jcoxon> MNSP_, its okay UKHAS is bouyed up by everyone
[17:19] <fsphil> oh yea, 300 baud
[17:19] <jcoxon> its an unofficial umbrella really
[17:19] <fsphil> that'll be quite a challenge
[17:19] <jonsowman> 3x300 baud packets, then a 50 baud packet with only positional data
[17:19] <fsphil> you should see the amount of data hadie sends down :p
[17:20] <fsphil> though not to spacenear.us
[17:20] <NigeyS> ah the ssdv stuff
[17:20] Nick change: staylo_ -> staylo
[17:20] <fsphil> welcome to the club MNSP_ :D
[17:20] <MNSP_> I think I'll try my hand a t a yagi for the weekend
[17:21] <MNSP_> only have the little dinky aerial my ft-790 came with
[17:21] <fsphil> I may try a yagi on a really big stick, if the wind isn't too bad
[17:21] <jcoxon> MNSP_, make a moxon
[17:21] <jcoxon> out of a coathanger
[17:21] <NigeyS> matt had me doing that last night trying to copy a repeater in bath !
[17:21] <jcoxon> build time : extra rx is massive
[17:22] <MNSP_> oh yeah? ok, will google
[17:22] <jcoxon> its not as good as a yagi but its considerably better then a whip
[17:23] <fsphil> did you add some pre-amble jonsowman?
[17:23] <MNSP_> coat hangaers I like the sound of that
[17:24] <jonsowman> fsphil: the same packet is transmitted three times in succession
[17:24] <jcoxon> just one coathanger
[17:24] <fsphil> lol NigeyS, I read that as "copy a repeater in the bath"
[17:24] <fsphil> ah perfect
[17:24] <NigeyS> haha!
[17:24] <jonsowman> fsphil: hopefully that should solve the issues we had on launch one
[17:24] <fsphil> it's a "clean" signal
[17:24] <fsphil> indeedy
[17:25] <MNSP_> info overload.. it seems I have already visited this sit that I just re-found... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/coathanger.htm
[17:27] <NigeyS> jcoxon, is your modified tinygps the one for number of sats ?
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[17:29] <jcoxon> yeah should be
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[17:30] <NigeyS> perfect, couldn't remember who it was that modified the lib
[17:30] <jcoxon> there is a zip on the wiki
[17:31] <NigeyS> oh, cheers, will grab that
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[17:33] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:36] <fsphil> this server seems a bit laggy
[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> I like this one: http://xkcd.com/333/
[17:41] <fsphil> haha
[17:41] <fsphil> so true
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> lol yea
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> GPS!!!! http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/christmas_gps.png
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[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/bad_timing.png
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[18:24] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[18:24] <NigeyS> wb james
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> most stupid thing is not to watch eBay
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> now I was overbidden on that umbrella
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> http://xkcd.com/95/
[18:31] <Zuph> Hey NigeyS
[18:32] <Zuph> The long apartment search may be over. Now time for the packing, moving and trips to Ikea.
[18:33] <NigeyS> haha that's gonna be fo much fun :p
[18:33] <NigeyS> so*
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[18:33] <fsphil> just move into Ikea
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> do you also have almond cake in the afternoon at the IKEA restaurant?
[18:34] <Zuph> fsphil: Actually, had that thought. Just have to get a night job, and I can sleep in Ikea during the day.
[18:34] <Zuph> I like the Swedish Meatballs and Ligonberry jam.
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> our IKEA has funny disclaimers in the toilet bowls in the exhibtions
[18:35] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> like "dear customer, you can find our real WCs..."
[18:35] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[18:35] <Zuph> Our Ikea has lexan over all the toilet bowls, or wires the lid shut.
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> maybe to prevent that skid by Dave England in Jackass: the movie
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah they have the lexan in the bowl
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> but it would be AWESOME to live in there
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> like
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> you have another bed every day of the week!
[18:37] <Zuph> Half their beds would wreck my back.
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[18:38] <Zuph> hah
[18:42] <Zuph> I'm just glad to get rid of the furniture I've had since I've moved out of my parents'. I'm pretty sure my sofa is one more broken spring from killing someone.
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[18:58] <NigeyS> hey matt
[18:58] <mattltm> Howdy
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[19:28] <Matt_soton> what orintations were we gonna have the irds?
[19:29] <Matt_soton> jonsowman: ^^
[19:29] <jonsowman> same as last time i guess
[19:30] <Matt_soton> pointing up and across was that?
[19:30] <jonsowman> yes
[19:30] <Matt_soton> the top layer is thinner this time
[19:30] <jonsowman> yes
[19:30] <Matt_soton> will have to be careful
[19:30] <jonsowman> yeah that's fine
[19:30] <griffonbot> Received email: John GM8OTI <gm8oti@googlemail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: SKYPOD LAUNCH"
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[19:32] <SAIDias> Howdy
[19:32] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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[19:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron <phil@sanslogic.co.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Re: SKYPOD LAUNCH"
[19:39] <fsphil> hi hi hi
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[19:42] <jgrahamc> You around jcoxon?
[19:44] <NigeyS> http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNigeyUK?feature=mhum#p/a
[19:44] <NigeyS> yey!
[19:45] <[STAR]Atanyi|Sle> blinking LEDS :)
[19:45] <[STAR]Atanyi|Sle> eh
[19:45] Nick change: [STAR]Atanyi|Sle -> Upu
[19:45] <Upu> wierd
[19:45] <Upu> nothing to see here move along
[19:46] <jgrahamc> Great stuff NigeyS
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[19:46] <fsphil> blinky leds are essential to making things work :)
[19:46] <NigeyS> lol the blinking led is the most crucial bit, it means that silly lassen gps has finally got a lock in under 5 minutes!
[19:47] <Laurenceb> looks like armadillo aerospace cancelled the stig launch?
[19:47] <NigeyS> hey Upu , jgrahamc
[19:49] <Upu> Evening
[19:49] <fsphil> oh, and for hab'ing some shiny foil -- totally essential. that or pink tape
[19:49] <Laurenceb> i think its a ground planbe
[19:49] <Laurenceb> i found its not that vital
[19:49] Action: Upu votes pink tape
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[19:51] <fsphil> oh I must see if this foil is conductive
[19:51] Nick change: NigelS -> Nige|S
[19:51] <Nige|S> foil? :o
[19:51] <fsphil> hmm.. apparently not
[19:51] <fsphil> the stuff I'm wrapping hadie in
[19:51] <Nige|S> oo
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[19:52] <fsphil> very odd
[19:52] Nick change: Nige|S -> NigeyS
[19:52] <fsphil> I wonder what it's made from
[19:53] <fsphil> it's shiny like foil
[19:54] <NigeyS> hmm odd, maybe its some new secret material you've discovered?
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[19:55] <jonsowman> natrium42: around?
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[19:57] <fsphil> hehe
[19:57] <fsphil> it's a good insulator whatever it is -- nice and warm
[19:58] <fsphil> ooh if it's not conductive I can put it over the roof and it shouldn't stop gps
[19:59] <jgrahamc> Another pre-launch activity completed: added 5,000 texts to the SIM card that goes in the backup GSM/GPS computer.
[19:59] <fsphil> excellent. it's all falling into place </mr.burns>
[20:01] <jgrahamc> Don't say that... I'm bound to forget something vital :-)
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[20:02] <jgrahamc> In fact, even the weather looks good with a landing near Cambridge. That means I've overlooked something massive!
[20:02] <fsphil> haha, yea. that was my biggest fear
[20:05] <fsphil> I over-compensated by bringing everything
[20:05] <NigeyS> W0OTM, was there a video for that cutdown that you did ?
[20:06] <griffonbot> Received email: andrewallan <andrewscottallan@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Re: SKYPOD LAUNCH"
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[20:31] <jgrahamc> And that's the recovery computer software reuploaded and tested. Phew. Just need to retest the flight computer and I might be able to stop fiddling with the thing!
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[20:32] <Nige|S> gr
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[20:35] <fsphil> am I the only one who leaves things to the night before ? :)
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[20:36] <Nige|S> yup lol :p
[20:36] <jgrahamc> You are not, but in this instance I really don't want to have to spend all Saturday night tearing my hair out!
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[20:47] <natrium42> oy vey
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[20:52] Action: fsphil is really bad at knots
[20:52] <fsphil> gooooood evening natrium42
[20:53] <jonsowman> hi natrium42
[20:53] <natrium42> hi fsphil & jonsowman
[20:53] <fsphil> hiya gm8oti
[20:54] <gm8oti> fsphil - ta for message on UKHAS group
[20:56] <gm8oti> fsphil I've just done the dl-fldigi build on Fedora on the LInux laptop, it fires up and configures OK but haven't yet checked if it finds the soundcard!
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[20:56] <jcoxon> bacl
[20:56] <jcoxon> ping jgrahamc
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[20:57] <Upu> well I'll take my radio to work tommorrow and if I'm out of my meeting I'll see if I can pick anything up
[20:57] <jgrahamc> pong jcoxon
[20:58] <jgrahamc> jcoxon: How much do you think this hellschreiber device would weigh? Main concern is adding weight to my HAB flight. Also, any concern about radio interference?
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[21:03] Action: jcoxon blames fsphil
[21:04] <gm8oti> yeah we were all trying to talk to him
[21:05] <jonsowman> lol
[21:05] <jonsowman> oh freenode
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> what I thought about today
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> feasible to power a balloon with a fuel cell?
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[21:07] <jcoxon> fsphil, turn the internet back on please
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[21:12] <jcoxon> hooray
[21:12] <jcoxon> we are reunited
[21:12] <jcoxon> ping jgrahamc
[21:14] <jonsowman> natrium42: you around?
[21:14] <jgrahamc> let's try again jcoxon
[21:14] <jgrahamc> coxon: How much do you think this hellschreiber device would weigh? Main concern is adding weight to my HAB flight. Also, any concern about radio interference?
[21:15] <gm8oti> fsphil you still there? ;-)
[21:16] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, not worried about interference
[21:16] <jcoxon> i'd make it fully seperate box
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> feasible to power a balloon with a fuel cell?
[21:16] <jcoxon> and rig it so you just attach it above the main payload on the line
[21:16] <jcoxon> give me a minute of so I'll weigh a few things
[21:16] <jgrahamc> I've got 4m of line between capsule top and bottom of parachute. So should be ok.
[21:17] <fsphil> gm8oti, aye aye
[21:18] <gm8oti> fsphil don't know if you got last comment - dl-fldigi built OK on Fedora, fires up fine, yet to test sound input
[21:18] Action: hibby stretches
[21:19] <fsphil> saw that just before the split :) which I so didn't cause
[21:19] <jcoxon> it was fsphil
[21:19] <jcoxon> jonsowman, and i saw him turn off the internetz
[21:19] <fsphil> just make sure portaudio support is compiled in and all should be well
[21:19] <jonsowman> haha
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[21:19] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, 50g before insulation
[21:20] <gm8oti> fsphil ah ok I might need to redo it then! Is there a flag for that?
[21:20] <jonsowman> jcoxon: having issues with getting custom data displaying on spacenear
[21:20] <jgrahamc> With batteries?
[21:20] <jcoxon> yup
[21:20] <fsphil> gm8oti, configure should pick it up automatically if it's installed
[21:21] <gm8oti> fsphil, ok I'll check. Plenty time before Wednesday!
[21:21] <fsphil> package is portaudio-devel
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[21:21] <jgrahamc> OK. That's pretty light. Given all the great stuff you and Ed have done for me I can hardly say no. Also Hellschrieber is cool
[21:21] <fsphil> I so hope the weather improves -- it's mighty wet outside everywhere atm from the looks of it :)
[21:22] <jcoxon> i'll do it so its minimal hassle
[21:22] <hibby> gm8oti: anyone else in your area keen on listening?
[21:22] <fsphil> tis a very cool mode
[21:22] <jgrahamc> Cool jcoxon. You going to be in Cambridge this weekend?
[21:22] <jcoxon> and if there are issues you can just not fly it
[21:22] <jcoxon> sadly not
[21:22] <gm8oti> fsphil also getting somewhere with Gatehouse of Fleet network - there's a local wifi which may be OK (but may be pricey) otherwise I'll get a mobile broadband dongle which will work thyere
[21:22] <jcoxon> i'm on call
[21:22] <jgrahamc> OK
[21:22] <jgrahamc> So either get the capsule to me or Ed.
[21:22] <jcoxon> shame really
[21:23] <jcoxon> the reason i'm suggesting it is that i will want to fly something simlar on my next flight
[21:23] <jcoxon> backup beacons are always useful
[21:23] <gm8oti> hibby I'll alert GM4JTJ up near Arbroath but he won't have a feed to spacenear.us - doesn't have the internet in the shack
[21:23] <jgrahamc> No worries. I'm really glad to help you and also I'm very happy to have as much tracking possible on the flight as possible.
[21:23] <jcoxon> gm8oti, relay!
[21:23] <gm8oti> fsphil thanks for all that - will let you know how I get on
[21:24] <gm8oti> jcoxon relay?
[21:24] <jcoxon> hehe - he could relay the rx data to you
[21:24] <fsphil> if all else fails gm8oti, I've got the list of packages I install here: https://github.com/fsphil/dl-fldigi/wiki
[21:25] <gm8oti> loud hollow laughter - yes but not yet - we're working on a connection! Probably on 2.4GHz ....
[21:25] <hibby> gm8oti: might as well, no one else up here uses it XD
[21:25] <jgrahamc> I have just made the last solder joint on the GAGA-1 module. It's DONE!
[21:25] <fsphil> Woo-hoo!!
[21:26] <hibby> or at least, over in glasgow, no one does
[21:26] <gm8oti> fsphil ta, I'll take a look if still stuck. For the build I just kept running make until I got no more errors :-)
[21:26] <fsphil> that's a good strategy :D
[21:27] <fsphil> I made an RPM once, should see if I can get it into the repo
[21:27] <gm8oti> hibby there are more of us moving to 2.4GHz just now - lots of GM activity on 23cm now and I think there were nearly 10 GM stations (not yet me) on 13cm for the last UKAC
[21:28] <hibby> nice. what modes?
[21:28] <fsphil> I had a listen on 23cm last time and didn't hear anything in GI land
[21:29] <gm8oti> hibby GM4CXM is always there with CW for aircraft reflections into the Netherlands! Also SSB, which many others use
[21:29] <fsphil> that's even possible? cool!
[21:30] <gm8oti> fsphil surprised you didn't hear CXM, I've heard him from the Mull of Galloway on a pretty obstructed path
[21:30] <fsphil> I may just have been listening on the wrong frequencies
[21:31] <gm8oti> fsphil 1296.2 +/- by a few tens of kHz
[21:32] <fsphil> I'll have a listen next time - was using the funcube, not even sure how sensitive it is on that band
[21:33] <gm8oti> fsphil - oooooh you were one of the lucky ones who got the order in in the first 15 seconds then ;-)
[21:34] <gm8oti> fsphil - you need a decent antenna - I use a 15-ele Yagi at present
[21:34] <NigeyS> he unplugged the rest of the net
[21:34] <gm8oti> ah, like 20 mins ago ....
[21:34] <fsphil> lol .. I was really lucky getting it I think
[21:34] <NigeyS> yups, cheating or what!
[21:34] <jcoxon> more proof that fsphil is the trouble maker
[21:34] <fsphil> it's a set up!
[21:35] <NigeyS> hehe
[21:35] <fsphil> gm8oti, might try making one up, should be pretty small on that band
[21:36] <gm8oti> yup http://www.marwynandjohn.org.uk/GM8OTI/proj23cm15eleyagi/proj23cm15eleyagi.html
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[21:40] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[21:43] <fsphil> gm8oti, that's brilliant! ta
[21:45] <NigeyS> jcoxon, just found your c/w code .. alot simpler than i thought it would be
[21:45] <fsphil> these folded dipoles are all the rage these days ;)
[21:45] <gm8oti> fsphil don't forget the balun, also very modish
[21:46] <Upu> meh
[21:46] <Upu> I couldn't bend my 4mm steel properly
[21:47] <Upu> going to get something a little more maliable and try again
[21:47] <fsphil> gm8oti, is that bit of coax the balun?
[21:47] <jcoxon> guys, when doing your ukhas standard what do you use for your newline?
[21:48] <fsphil> for mine it's just "\n"
[21:48] <NigeyS> snap
[21:49] <Upu> sprintf(checksum_str, "*%04X\n", CHECKSUM); // FOR REAL FLIGHT COMPUTER USE THIS LINE
[21:49] <gm8oti> fsphil yes, details of how to wire it are on the VK5DJ design software site, link on that page of mine
[21:50] <gm8oti> fsphil the DL6WU design software works fine in Wine on Ubuntu!
[21:51] <fsphil> bookmarked, will give it a spin
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[22:03] <jonsowman> jcoxon: does dl-fldigi still post data to listen.php?
[22:03] <jonsowman> not listen.test.php or anything?
[22:03] <natrium42> jonsowman: you can specify the url in dl-fldigi
[22:04] <natrium42> i think it's listen.php by default
[22:04] <fsphil> listen.test.php is specified in the coude
[22:04] <fsphil> *code
[22:04] <jonsowman> ahhh
[22:05] <jonsowman> that would explain the issues I've been having for hours
[22:05] <jcoxon> jonsowman, listen.php
[22:05] <jonsowman> oh, conflict
[22:05] <jonsowman> lol
[22:05] <jcoxon> i'm pretty certain
[22:05] <natrium42> yay, i win
[22:06] <Shuffty> evening all..
[22:06] <fsphil> the base url can be changed, but the actual script name is hard-wired
[22:06] <natrium42> ah
[22:08] <jonsowman> right, put the code into listen.test.php
[22:08] <jonsowman> the issue is that apex comma-delimits its custom data
[22:08] <jonsowman> so I've put code on the dl server to ;-delimit it, so it gets forwarded to spacenear
[22:09] <jcoxon> jonsowman, not the cleanest of hacks
[22:09] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:09] <jonsowman> I realise
[22:09] <jonsowman> I'll remove it after the launch
[22:09] <fsphil> where's the problem happening?
[22:09] <jonsowman> well I was wondering why the custom field wasn't ending up on the spacenear server
[22:10] <jonsowman> it's because I'd only put the code in listen.php, not in listen.test.php
[22:10] <fsphil> ah
[22:10] <jonsowman> anyway, all good
[22:10] <jonsowman> http://spacenear.us/tracker/data.php?format=json&position_id=0&max_positions=0
[22:10] <jonsowman> sorry about the awfulness of the hack :P
[22:10] <fsphil> lol
[22:11] <fsphil> have you got any samples? I wouldn't mind giving the setup a test
[22:11] <fsphil> local test that is
[22:11] <jcoxon> oh right it is listen.test.php
[22:11] <jcoxon> how did that creep in there
[22:11] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/blob/master/src/misc/dl_fldigi.cxx#L343
[22:11] <fsphil> DanielRichman did it when playing with the chase car bits
[22:11] <jcoxon> which have now disappeared
[22:11] <jonsowman> ah
[22:12] <jcoxon> as chase car doesn't work at all
[22:12] <jonsowman> odd :\
[22:13] <fsphil> it was working a few months ago -- there was a couple of cars on the map
[22:14] <jcoxon> no those are by direct upload to spacenear.us
[22:16] <fsphil> ah
[22:16] <jonsowman> the whitestar balloons have callsign 'wb8elk' right?
[22:16] <DanielRichman> the dl-fldigi bit of it definitely worked; and I wrote a modification to listen.php, which jonsowman uploaded as listen.test.php which succesfully received that data and put it on the map
[22:16] <DanielRichman> the modification has since disappeared though
[22:17] <jonsowman> hum
[22:18] <jcoxon> jonsowman, wb8elk2
[22:19] <jonsowman> jcoxon: thanks
[22:23] <Darkside> woot my funcube dongle has been shipped
[22:24] <jonsowman> :)
[22:25] <jonsowman> anyway, all telemetry from apex being parsed :)
[22:25] <jonsowman> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[22:26] <fsphil> good altitude already :)
[22:26] <jonsowman> heh
[22:26] <jcoxon> jonsowman, can i ask why ukhas standard wasn't followed? purely out of interest
[22:27] <jonsowman> Matt_soton: ^^
[22:27] <jonsowman> "PICAXE", I guess sums it up fairly well
[22:27] <fsphil> eek!
[22:28] <Matt_soton> well its not exactly difficuit to put a ; instead of a ,
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[22:28] <Matt_soton> i suppose we didnt really notice it
[22:28] <Matt_soton> and it just worked fine
[22:28] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:28] <fsphil> it is pretty much just the ukhas standard though? with more fields
[22:29] <jonsowman> fsphil: the custom data should be semicolon delimited according to ukhas standard
[22:29] <jonsowman> Apex comma delimits it
[22:31] <fsphil> ah so it is
[22:31] <jonsowman> apart from that it is indeed ukhas standard
[22:31] <NigeyS> eugh git confuses me :|
[22:32] <fsphil> that's it's main purpose
[22:32] <fsphil> -'
[22:32] <jonsowman> lol
[22:32] <NigeyS> lol
[22:32] <NigeyS> i made a github account, setup the master but im confuzzled how to add my code to it properly :|
[22:33] <fsphil> you need to add the github repository as a remote to your local repository
[22:33] <fsphil> then push it to that
[22:33] <NigeyS> err
[22:33] <fsphil> there's a good tutorial on github somewhere
[22:33] <NigeyS> think i just did that
[22:33] <NigeyS> https://github.com/nigeysuk
[22:34] <NigeyS> ?
[22:37] <fsphil> have you done all this? http://help.github.com/linux-set-up-git/
[22:37] <jonsowman> Matt_soton: what is the format of the light field?
[22:37] <jonsowman> also, RSSI
[22:37] <NigeyS> yup phil and i created the ATS-1-HAB repo
[22:38] <Matt_soton> light is weird
[22:39] <Matt_soton> 3x2hex and multiplier
[22:39] <Matt_soton> rssi is just a adc in hex form
[22:39] <jonsowman> how many bits is the adc?
[22:39] <jonsowman> it's reading 21 at th moment
[22:40] <jonsowman> that's very low?
[22:40] <Matt_soton> thats 33 in decimal
[22:40] <jonsowman> no, 21 in decimal
[22:40] <jonsowman> oh, no
[22:40] <jonsowman> you're right
[22:41] <jonsowman> ok so spacenear now converts it to decimal
[22:41] <jonsowman> how many bits is the adc?
[22:42] <Matt_soton> ill guess 8
[22:42] <jonsowman> can you find out please
[22:43] <jonsowman> also, 31/256 is like 12% ?
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[22:45] <fsphil> okie on the github page you should see an ssh url
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[22:46] <NigeyS> freenode being a pain tonight
[22:48] <fsphil> aah -- you've done this too then from the looks of it: http://help.github.com/creating-a-repo/
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[22:48] <fsphil> ooh I see a file appearing
[22:50] <NigeyS> yup, i commited rev 1.1 of the flight code
[22:50] <NigeyS> i think ..
[22:50] <fsphil> yup yup
[22:50] <NigeyS> yey
[22:52] <NigeyS> with git-dd i assume i can add multiple files ?
[22:52] <NigeyS> add*
[22:53] <fsphil> yes
[22:53] <NigeyS> thats ok then, didnt fancy adding the dirs file by file!
[22:53] <jonsowman> NigeyS: it's recursive
[22:53] <jonsowman> $ git add .
[22:53] <NigeyS> brill, liking this !
[22:53] <jonsowman> adds everything in the current directory and below
[22:57] <NigeyS> tnx jon, lets see if i mess this up now lol
[23:00] <jgrahamc> Come on Lassen IQ. Get a fix!
[23:02] <NigeyS> if you give it a nice flashing yellow LED it lock within 5 mins jgrahamc !
[23:03] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, http://m6jcx.no-ip.org/dl-fldigi-XMLRPC/index.html
[23:04] <jcoxon> thats the payload txing CW and Hell
[23:05] <jcoxon> right enough hacking for tonight
[23:05] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:17] <NigeyS> evening Dan
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[23:37] <fsphil> nights all
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[23:39] <NigeyS> nn phil :)
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