highaltitude.log.20110403

[00:00] <hburger> But if its upwards of £100, then I'm afraid its too expensive
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[00:01] <mattltm> hburger, do some work here... Google Arduino Uno
[00:01] <mattltm> Google Radiometrix NTX2
[00:01] <hburger> this thing? (Arduino Uno) http://goo.gl/pBLmo
[00:02] <hburger> and this: http://goo.gl/vLoAD
[00:02] <hburger> Are these correct?
[00:02] <mattltm> Yup. Now do some reaserach and find out what the Arduino is and what it can do..
[00:02] <hburger> I really appreciate the help, btw.
[00:02] <fsphil> transmitting is only half it too, you'll need something to receive the signal
[00:03] <hburger> "Arduino is a tool for the design and development of embedded computer systems, consisting of a simple open hardware design for a single-board microcontroller, with embedded I/O support and a standard programming language" - makes sense.
[00:03] <mattltm> You will have to learn to write your own code to use the Arduino but many people can help you learn.
[00:03] <hburger> Is there none that can be loaded from previous launches?
[00:04] <mattltm> Great, so all you need now for a basic payload is a compatable GPS module
[00:04] <mattltm> Google falcom fsa03
[00:04] <hburger> falcom or falcon?
[00:04] <hburger> (sorry, didn't return results)
[00:04] <mattltm> falcom
[00:05] <hburger> Hm, okay
[00:05] <fsphil> you any good at soldering? :)
[00:05] <hburger> Oh yeah it did :P
[00:05] <Shuffty> Goodnight chaps... having spent the last hour looking at gps modules, my head is battered and I need some sleep. Ordering the Lassen IQ etc tomorrow - should have the bare bones of the system up and running by mid week. :-)
[00:05] <fsphil> sweet
[00:06] <fsphil> g' night Shuffty !
[00:06] <mattltm> Shuffty, night :)
[00:06] <hburger> Okay, where can I purchase a falcom fsa03?
[00:06] <fsphil> and the battery alarm on my laptop tells me I need to go to sleep myself.
[00:06] <Shuffty> :-) ...
[00:06] <hburger> Ah! Got it
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[00:07] <hburger> Ohhkay. Next thing! :) (Btw, nope, never soldered.)
[00:07] <mattltm> lol. Night fsphil.
[00:07] <hburger> Aww, night fsphil. Thanks for the help!!
[00:08] <NigeyS> night phil!
[00:11] <hburger> I think I might catch some sleep too now. Thanks for all the help!! I'll come back in the morning. Got the pages with the module things bookmarked. Will research Arduino.
[00:11] <hburger> Thanks again! Goodnight :)
[00:11] <mattltm> No probs, Have fun :)
[00:12] <mattltm> Anyone else still here?
[00:13] <NigeyS> hope so, lightweights! lol
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[00:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/03/ff_drugsub/all/1
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> Exactly 100% off-topic.
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> (DIY subs)
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> For fun and profit.
[00:15] <mattltm> Nice!
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> I did a back-of-the-envelope design on a large dolphin-esque thingy.
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> ~1m in diameter, 5m long. About half full of li-ion.
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> It can easily get from UK to US in one hop, submerged, at 30 knots.
[00:17] <mattltm> I love the toilet :)
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:18] <mattltm> and the steering wheels!
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[00:21] <mattltm> Maybe there is a market for autonomus subs?
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> Of course.
[00:22] Action: mattltm grabs a arduino and some 55 gallon drums...
[00:23] <mattltm> I hope columbian jail is nice!
[00:24] <mattltm> I have been toying with the idea of doing the autonomus sailing thing.
[00:27] <mattltm> http://www.microtransat.org/2010.php
[00:28] <mattltm> Still no winners.
[00:34] Action: NigeyS kicks gps module
[00:34] <mattltm> lol.
[00:35] <mattltm> NigeyS, fancy being the first team to get an autonomus sailing boat across the atlantic?
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[00:36] <mattltm> Got be easier than a balloon!
[00:36] <NigeyS> haha lets do it
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[00:50] <NigeyS> eugh i need help with an if, else statement
[00:50] <NigeyS> hey Zuph , Shuffty
[00:51] <Shuffty> hey there - was going to bed - but you know how it goes...
[00:51] <Shuffty> Whats with the if else...
[00:51] <Shuffty> *more than likely you'll know much more than me... but you never know.
[00:52] <NigeyS> well im trying to do if gps lock flash the led, else turn the led off
[00:52] <NigeyS> but at 2am my brains kinda dead
[00:53] <Shuffty> I dont know enough about the string you get from the gps to answer it... the if then side should be pretty straight forward, as should the led bit... I'm presuming you could check if you have a long/lat...
[00:53] <NigeyS> yeah ive got ..
[00:54] <Shuffty> you using an arduino or something else?
[00:54] <NigeyS> /* Got any data yet? */
[00:54] <NigeyS> if(nss.available() <= 0) return;
[00:54] <NigeyS> if(!gps.encode(nss.read())) return;
[00:54] <NigeyS> so i can check against that
[00:54] <NigeyS> its an atmega 328 but useing the arduino bootloader
[00:54] <Shuffty> Will that work? I thought the gps was still available even if it didnt have a lock?
[00:55] <Shuffty> *like I said - I dont know enough about the gps yet - not even started on it.
[00:55] <NigeyS> hm good point
[00:55] <mattltm> Right. Have fun NigeyS, bed time for me :)
[00:56] <NigeyS> oki dudey, ill read that tonight and catch up with you tomoz :D
[00:56] <mattltm> Byeeeeeee!
[00:56] <NigeyS> toodles sir!
[00:56] <Shuffty> I'm off now too - I came on to see if jcoxon was on - I wanted to see if he had any breakout board for the lassen iq...
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[00:56] <Shuffty> night fella
[00:56] <NigeyS> ahh, oki, nn dudey
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[00:59] <Shuffty> if (latitude != 0)
[00:59] <Shuffty> ?
[00:59] <Shuffty> http://www.ladyada.net/make/gpsshield/GPStest_RMC.pde
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[01:00] <NigeyS> ah ill take a look!
[01:00] <Shuffty> night... :-)
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[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> back again
[01:35] <stilldavid> o hai! I bet everyone's asleep
[01:37] <stilldavid> well, payload has been launched and recovered. unfortunately the microSD card went out and nothing of value was logged :(
[01:37] <NigeyS> ahh dam, but still a success, congrats dude!
[01:37] <stilldavid> that and the battery for the camera died at ~18km I'm guessing, so I didn't get my slow-mo HD of the balloon burst and descent.
[01:38] <stilldavid> thanks :)
[01:38] <stilldavid> planning on rebuilding it stronger, faster, etc... and launching again in a month or so
[01:38] <stilldavid> had to hike a mile in a field with cows to retrieve it. fun times :)
[01:39] <NigeyS> lmao oh im sure you enjoyed that bit :p
[01:39] <stilldavid> driving back now.
[01:39] <NigeyS> ping juxta
[01:39] <NigeyS> long drive stilldavid ?
[01:40] <stilldavid> well, have to launch in the middle of nowhere to get away from the major international airport
[01:40] <stilldavid> plus the wind took it pretty fast, pretty far
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[01:40] <NigeyS> yikes, thats no fun :(
[01:40] <stilldavid> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0VSOSac1275Xczm05gSxTBEcJcPoAf6Ix
[01:40] <NigeyS> least when it does that you can stay in the same country .. unlike over here! lol
[01:41] <stilldavid> that's cool.
[01:41] <Dan-K2VOL> hey stilldavid
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[01:41] <stilldavid> hah, and there's land in every direction for a thousand miles or so :)
[01:41] <stilldavid> hi Dan-K2VOL !
[01:41] <stilldavid> got inspired, so we did a latex launch today to test some systems (which failed miserably)
[01:41] <NigeyS> wb lunar
[01:41] <NigeyS> hey Dan
[01:41] <Dan-K2VOL> ah well, that's what testing is for stilldavid
[01:42] <Dan-K2VOL> now they'll be better for the real deal right?
[01:42] <Dan-K2VOL> we're stuck in testing hell too
[01:42] <stilldavid> exactly. going to do a ballast test on the next launch (month or so) in prep for the May ZP launch
[01:42] <stilldavid> and hopefully fix some issues with this launch.
[01:42] <stilldavid> flight computers are hard :)
[01:42] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, BTW I recommend that you carefully observe our ATC comms procedures on white star
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> for ZP flights at that altitude
[01:43] <NigeyS> minus the odd swearword ;)
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> particularly over the CONUS
[01:43] <stilldavid> in what sense? I've been following pretty close ... w/r/t ATCs and such?
[01:43] <Dan-K2VOL> heh nigeys
[01:43] <NigeyS> :P
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[01:44] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL: didn't a group launch from San Diego recently?
[01:44] <stilldavid> will probably launch from central/northern california around the time of the Maker Faire
[01:44] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, under the guidance of Mark Caveizel, who does not share my concern for aviation safety while floating in the airways
[01:45] <NigeyS> :o
[01:45] <stilldavid> I probably fall somewhere in between.
[01:45] <Dan-K2VOL> the ZPs he's made us all have an extremely increased risk of collision for aircraft than latex or higher or lower ZPs
[01:47] <NigeyS> ill stick to iccle teeny balloons for now
[01:48] <stilldavid> yeah, after today I definitly want at least one more latex launch under my belt.
[01:48] <NigeyS> http://pastebin.com/jvLQv6c8 does that if / else make sense? or have i totally lost the plot :\
[01:48] <stilldavid> as soon as we started filing, the wind picked up to 20+ mph
[01:48] <NigeyS> bloody eck
[01:48] <NigeyS> lucky you didnt go with it
[01:48] <Dan-K2VOL> anyway, my point on ATC is I think these ZPs need to have at least hourly telephoned position reports to ATC
[01:48] <stilldavid> a few position reports had it traveling at 60mph+!
[01:49] <Dan-K2VOL> oh boy, yeah that's a bad launch wind
[01:49] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL: which? whichever is nearest?
[01:49] <stilldavid> we got some video of it, will have to post it
[01:49] <Dan-K2VOL> the Air Route Traffic Control Center that is the controlling agency for the area you are flying in
[01:49] <Dan-K2VOL> they will hand you off to the next one when needed
[01:50] <Dan-K2VOL> colloquially called "center"
[01:50] <Dan-K2VOL> probably Denver Center near there
[01:50] <stilldavid> plan is to launch from CA
[01:50] <stilldavid> might get tricky around there
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[01:50] <Dan-K2VOL> just have to look up on an aviation map
[01:51] <Dan-K2VOL> why don't you join our ATC team to see first hand, we could use another capable person
[01:51] <stilldavid> sure!
[01:51] <Dan-K2VOL> awesome!
[01:51] <stilldavid> am traveling 60 on a highway right now, but shoot me an email with what I need to do
[01:52] <Dan-K2VOL> haha will do thanks david
[01:52] <stilldavid> or whatever... link to the wiki, etc...
[01:53] <NigeyS> hmm think im gonna wimp out and goto bed before i throw something at the monitor!
[01:55] <stilldavid> and I'm going to put the laptop to sleep :)
[01:56] <stilldavid> g'nite NigeyS, see ya in a bit Dan-K2VOL and Zuph :)
[01:56] <NigeyS> okies dude, toodle pip for now!
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[01:56] <Dan-K2VOL> night stilldavid
[01:56] <Dan-K2VOL> I mean nigeys
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[02:27] <Lunar_Lander2> why does spacenear hang?
[02:28] <Lunar_Lander2> Bill's balloon surely isn't at 7 km still
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> there was no reception past that I don't believel
[02:28] <Lunar_Lander2> or did it stop sending :S
[02:28] <Lunar_Lander2> oh
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> APRS.fi has it pretty close to ground
[02:28] <Lunar_Lander2> yeah
[02:28] <Lunar_Lander2> 1.8 km
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[06:30] <SamSilver> moring James
[06:31] <SamSilver> morning*
[06:31] <jcoxon> morning SamSilver
[06:31] <SamSilver> think the wife gve me decaf
[06:32] <jcoxon> oh dear
[06:32] <SamSilver> was the PBH balloon lost due to burst?
[06:32] <jcoxon> it stuck in a wildlife reserve with wild boars
[06:32] <jcoxon> they can hear it from the edge of the reserve
[06:33] <SamSilver> but it was a super pres that was long distance attempt
[06:33] <SamSilver> ?
[06:33] <jcoxon> it was a ZP
[06:33] <SamSilver> thanx - I am a bit out of the loop
[06:33] <jcoxon> no worries
[06:33] <SamSilver> who is next?
[06:34] <SamSilver> Speed ball?
[06:34] <jcoxon> we were expecting a long duration launch but once it was floating they aborted
[06:34] <jcoxon> they don't release much info
[06:34] <jcoxon> yeah speedball once they crack this antenna problem
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[06:38] <SamSilver> I found a cheap lifting gas
[06:38] <SamSilver> Nitrogen
[06:38] <SamSilver> bit low on performance
[06:38] <SamSilver> 24g / cube m
[06:38] <jcoxon> hehe
[06:39] <SamSilver> 42 cube m for a kg of lift
[06:40] <SamSilver> if I could strip a few neutorns off of it, could be in biz
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[07:28] <jcoxon> hey juxta
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[07:57] <juxta> hey jcoxon
[07:57] <juxta> how are you?
[07:57] <jcoxon> good thanks
[07:57] <jcoxon> and yourself?
[07:57] <jcoxon> any launches coming up on your side?
[07:57] <juxta> getting by :)
[07:58] <juxta> a few in the pipeline, no dates at this stage though
[07:58] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:58] <jcoxon> any long durational flights?
[07:58] <jcoxon> you've got the space hehe
[07:58] <juxta> haha, true - not so far
[07:58] <juxta> something we should look at certainly
[07:59] <juxta> have been busy with real life type things of late sadly
[07:59] <jcoxon> i know the feeling
[07:59] <juxta> though I did manage to get down to Melbourne for the Grand Prix
[07:59] <jcoxon> awesome
[08:05] <juxta> a good little getaway
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[09:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:27] <SamSilver> Lunar_landing top of the morning to you
[09:29] <SamSilver> bbl time to fire up the barbeque
[09:29] <Lunar_Lander> YAY!
[09:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[09:30] <SamSilver> have marinated the chicken, now I must burn it!!
[09:31] <SamSilver> bbl
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[09:31] <fsphil> *drool*
[09:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[09:36] <Lunar_Lander> turbulence is something which is still very important in modern physics
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander> Dr Harrison at Reading did some interesting measurements on that with balloon-borne magnetometers (or better, compasses)
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander> and measured how the balloon was shaken about during ascnet
[09:37] <Lunar_Lander> ascent
[09:46] <fsphil> hehe: http://i.imgur.com/jV0N4.jpg
[09:49] <Lunar_Lander> LOL yeah
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[10:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi DB10 Shuffty
[10:09] <Shuffty> Morning Lunar!
[10:09] <Shuffty> Looking for a lassen iq eagle library... any ideas?
[10:13] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I am not as advanced yet
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[10:18] <Shuffty> You prolly know much more than me Launar - I just like to jump in the deep end! :-)
[10:18] <Shuffty> Found it anyway - for future ref, its in the sparkfun eagle library.
[10:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah thank you
[10:19] <Shuffty> :-)
[10:22] <Shuffty> Lunar - do you have a website / blog?
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[10:26] <Lunar_Lander> oh no
[10:30] <fsphil> I needa make a website
[10:40] <jonsowman> morning all
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:49] <Lunar_Lander> it is quite
[10:50] <Lunar_Lander> disheartening
[10:50] <Lunar_Lander> to search for library books all over the room and then realizing that you have begun a "library bag" which has all of the books which need to be returned
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[11:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:22] <SpeedEvil> It's better than getting the 'you are now x years overdue. Pleas pay 234 pounds.
[11:25] <Shuffty> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Qnl0TuAUIjw/TZhYxRq51JI/AAAAAAAABzs/xouI8JaIuYM/s1600/ShufftyFC030411.jpg
[11:25] <Shuffty> Yay... I'm loving this...
[11:26] <SpeedEvil> ?
[11:26] <Shuffty> ?
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering what you were loving.
[11:29] <Shuffty> Messing with eagle... I'm loving that I can actually do it... :-S
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Messing with eagles may get the RSPCA on you though.
[11:29] <Shuffty> Thats another story...
[11:29] <Shuffty> :-)
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[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> Shuffty
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> www.stratosphere.weebly.com
[11:39] <Lunar_Lander> www.winzenflyer.wordpress.com
[11:41] <Shuffty> [thumbsup]
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[11:52] <jcoxon> ping DanielRichman
[11:58] <DanielRichman> hi jcoxon
[11:58] <DanielRichman> [pong]
[12:03] <jcoxon> does ZC chase car stuff work yet?
[12:07] <DanielRichman> on spacenear.us - I think so?
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[12:07] <jcoxon> certainly your work on dl-fldigi works
[12:08] <jcoxon> as they get posted to rjh's server
[12:08] <DanielRichman> yup
[12:08] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure if they get any further
[12:08] <jcoxon> i'll email rob
[12:08] <DanielRichman> one sec
[12:08] <DanielRichman> so I presume you're referring to kf4zti
[12:08] <DanielRichman> kf4zti : ZC,chase_car_kf4zti,36.436848,-87.343681,197
[12:08] <DanielRichman> ?
[12:08] <jcoxon> yes
[12:09] <jcoxon> he sent me an email about it
[12:09] <jcoxon> though i'd follow it up
[12:09] <DanielRichman> ok I think a while ago I added ZC support to listen.php
[12:10] <DanielRichman> either rjh or jon can look through its source; I don't have access
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[12:10] <jcoxon> i have access
[12:10] <jcoxon> i'll have a look
[12:10] <DanielRichman> I remember -- I think fsphil -- testing it and witnessing it working
[12:11] <fsphil> the chase car stuff?
[12:11] <DanielRichman> yeah
[12:11] <fsphil> yep
[12:12] <TangoAlpha> if I transmit in an appropriate format, will there be ground stations listening and uploading my transmitted information to e.g. spacenear.us?
[12:12] <fsphil> (brb)
[12:12] <jcoxon> TangoAlpha, yes if you warn people in advance to listen out
[12:12] <TangoAlpha> good :-)
[12:12] <jcoxon> also depends a lot on where you are :-p
[12:12] <TangoAlpha> berkshire
[12:12] <jcoxon> okay then yes - it is possible to get good coverage from the UK
[12:12] <TangoAlpha> next question...is the appropriate format APRS?
[12:13] <jcoxon> not for spacenear.us
[12:13] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[12:13] <TangoAlpha> cool
[12:14] <TangoAlpha> thanks for that link
[12:14] <jcoxon> and in theory any format that dl-fldigi can decode
[12:14] <TangoAlpha> what about baud, bits, stop, parity
[12:14] <jcoxon> again in theory anything that it can cope with
[12:15] <TangoAlpha> i've been using 7n2 300 baud for testing
[12:15] <jcoxon> yeah thats okay
[12:15] <jcoxon> i personally use 50
[12:15] <TangoAlpha> great, that's makes things simpler
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[12:15] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: can you pastebin the source of listen.php then?
[12:16] Action: jcoxon would like to see people trying out other formats such as domino - take advantage of fldigi's broadness
[12:16] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i'll pop a copy on to habhub
[12:16] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: I don't have access to habhub from my 'doze partition
[12:16] <jcoxon> putty?
[12:16] <DanielRichman> yeah
[12:16] <jcoxon> just there are a number of passwords etc in the file
[12:17] <DanielRichman> but I don't trust windows with my SSH Keys
[12:17] <DanielRichman> ahh, of course.
[12:17] <jcoxon> ummmm
[12:17] <DanielRichman> give me a sec; brb
[12:19] <DanielRichman> back
[12:19] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: connected to nessie
[12:21] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, its in my dir
[12:21] <DanielRichman> got it
[12:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: ok the ZC stuff has randomly disappeared
[12:23] <jcoxon> yeah i couldn't see it
[12:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: it might still be in one of the other files; listen.php.jon or something -- have you looked in those?
[12:24] <jcoxon> nah i've searched in all the listen.php.* files
[12:24] <jcoxon> no ZC
[12:25] <DanielRichman> mmk I'm digging through my irc logs
[12:25] <DanielRichman> #habhub.log:15:03 < DanielRichman> rharrison_: I added ZC support to listen.php and jonsowman uploaded it as listen.test.php
[12:25] <DanielRichman> that was August 31 2010
[12:27] <jcoxon> nah nothing in that file
[12:30] <jcoxon> food time
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[12:37] <DanielRichman> can't find it :X. Unless jonsowman has my original patch still (doubt it)
[12:37] <DanielRichman> be back later
[12:38] <hibby> Anyone heard from the skypod lot today?
[12:45] <jonsowman> hello all
[12:45] <jonsowman> what's going on
[12:52] <hibby> down at mother hibby's tidying out her rooms
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[12:55] <hibby> finding all my old linux cds from 2002-2006 when I was beginning to play but couldn't download isos
[12:56] <hibby> mepis, frugalware, found an actual set of ubuntu disks 4.10 -> 6.10 in the proper cases they did.
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[13:08] <hibby> latest from SUNSET Skypod: they're not sure when they're launching, be it tomorrow or Tuesday!
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[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> also from England hibby ?
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> I mean SUNSET
[13:20] <hibby> Lunar_Lander: scotland
[13:20] <hibby> Strathclyde Uni, Glasgow
[13:21] <hibby> where sunset == strathclyde uni near space exploration teams
[13:22] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - Skypod Launch ~1000BST 04/04/11 from Kilmarnock, Scotland
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[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> thx
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[13:25] <hibby> 'sall good. The students haven't worked out how they're managing next week's 3 transmitting payloads at once launch
[13:35] <NigelMoby> Ping jonsowman
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[13:46] <jonsowman> hi NigelMoby
[13:47] <NigelMoby> Hey Jon
[13:47] <NigelMoby> http://twitpic.com/4g825n
[13:47] <jonsowman> oh nice
[13:47] <NigelMoby> 3.3 no problems at all
[13:47] <jonsowman> 16MHz?
[13:47] <jonsowman> excellent
[13:47] <jonsowman> :)
[13:47] <NigelMoby> Yups
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[13:48] <jonsowman> it's technically out of specifications from what I understand from the datasheet
[13:48] <jonsowman> but it seems to work fine for lots of people on the web, and you
[13:48] <jonsowman> :)
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[13:48] <NigelMoby> Yeah I read the article you put on Twitter
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[13:49] <NigelMoby> Seems atmel know we like to run things out of spec
[13:49] <jonsowman> yeah
[13:49] <jonsowman> to be fair, I think they just give very conservative specs
[13:50] <jonsowman> mine are TQFP atmega168s, so hopefully they'll be fine too
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[13:51] <mattltm> Howdy Ho Habers!
[13:51] <jonsowman> anyone heard from skypod guys?
[13:51] <NigelMoby> AFAIK they're practically identical, even the pin outs
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[13:51] <NigelMoby> Hey Matt
[13:51] <jonsowman> NigelMoby: they are indeed
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[13:52] <mattltm> Hi NigelMoby :0
[13:52] <mattltm> Nice pic :)
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[13:53] <NigelMoby> Apparent Jon they're not sure if they're launching Tuesday
[13:53] <jonsowman> ah right
[13:53] <NigelMoby> Cheers Matt. Spaghetti junction lol
[13:54] <jonsowman> I've seen a lot worse
[13:54] <mattltm> Lol. same here
[13:54] <NigelMoby> I can imagine, I've yet to add the radio and photocell
[13:56] <SamSilver> Tip: when working with habanero chilli - be carefull when going for a leak; take tongs
[13:56] <NigelMoby> Lolol
[13:56] <mattltm> HAHAHA!
[13:56] <SamSilver> ruined a very good barbique
[13:57] <SamSilver> used up all the milk in the house
[13:57] <SamSilver> poured it down the loo
[13:57] <SamSilver> anywhooo whats up with whitestar reception via sat
[13:59] <NigelMoby> Think its a case of it needs a very very accurate antenna
[14:00] <NigelMoby> Brb
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[14:40] <Shuffty> Are there any amateur radio people on here?
[14:41] <mattltm> yes :)
[14:41] <jonsowman> technically, yes. what's up? :)
[14:41] <SamSilver> yip! plenty
[14:41] <Shuffty> :-)
[14:43] <SamSilver> one hand on keyboard other on dial
[14:43] <Shuffty> I want to make sure everything is working as it should - but I'm using a cobbled together aerial at the moment - yagi arrives on Monday. What I want to know is if the cw/usb/lsb has much action... does that make sense?
[14:43] <Shuffty> lol
[14:43] <Shuffty> Currently I'm getting nothing...
[14:43] <Shuffty> Well, I get a great static hiss...
[14:44] <jonsowman> Shuffty: what band?
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[14:44] <Shuffty> .. Erm ...
[14:44] <Shuffty> 70cm!
[14:45] <Shuffty> ?
[14:45] <jonsowman> you won't find much SSB on 70cms I don't think
[14:45] <jonsowman> you'll have more luck with FM
[14:45] <mattltm> 70 cms is dead..
[14:46] <SamSilver> aim low
[14:46] <SamSilver> 7.100 Mhz
[14:46] <SamSilver> + _
[14:46] <Shuffty> ok cool.. thanks for that :-)
[14:47] <Shuffty> Any of you in the northwest by any chance?
[14:47] <hibby> mattltm: that's standard up here
[14:47] <Shuffty> What bands are most popular? I might go shopping again..
[14:48] <mattltm> up here?
[14:48] <hibby> Glasgow.
[14:48] <Shuffty> Also - why are the ft790r radio's in so much demand if the 70cm is dead?
[14:48] <jonsowman> Shuffty: cheapest SSB radio around
[14:48] <hibby> my chums and I use it for 9600baud and other experiments because no one'll be listening
[14:48] <Shuffty> Ahhhh..
[14:48] <jgrahamc> Because they do SSB which we need for the communications with HAB
[14:49] <jgrahamc> A lot of UHF radios just do FM
[14:49] <Shuffty> So if I wanted to get into amateur radio - what band would be best?
[14:50] <jgrahamc> It depends what you want to do.
[14:50] <hibby> ^^
[14:50] <Shuffty> Be nosey.. :-)
[14:50] <Shuffty> lol
[14:50] <jgrahamc> For any long distance communication you are going to be looking at HF, for local stuff with a repeater there's lots of fun at VHF/UHF
[14:50] <hibby> 2m usually has a lot of casual chat on it.
[14:50] <jonsowman> 2m is pretty busy
[14:51] <Shuffty> So if I buy a 70cm/2m radio, I'll be able to do the balloon tracking and listen to amateur radio chat?
[14:51] <SamSilver> get a morse code decoder
[14:51] <jgrahamc> jonsowman: do you know why the hourly predictor and the habhub predictor give different results for the same launch time and other parameters?
[14:51] <Shuffty> SamSilver - is there much morese code on cw?
[14:51] <hibby> assuming the 70cm radio has ssb, it'll handle it just fine :)
[14:52] <jgrahamc> You could just do the Foundation License and then you'd know a lot more...
[14:52] <jgrahamc> CW == Morse
[14:52] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: urgh
[14:52] <Shuffty> Hibby - handle what?
[14:52] <jonsowman> that shouldnt happen
[14:52] <hibby> balloons
[14:52] <Randomskk> different data sets presumably
[14:52] <SamSilver> lol yes!!!!!
[14:52] <jgrahamc> jonsowman: Take a look at http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=273123ffbc93b1ea9ff06233e96df57a8e3e305e
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[14:53] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: oh, that's just broken
[14:53] <jgrahamc> On the hourly the same flight lands east of St. Neots.
[14:53] <jonsowman> 2 secs
[14:53] <jgrahamc> There's more to it than that. It's not just that flight (which seems to drop straight down), but all the others I've looked at are different.
[14:54] <Randomskk> jonsowman: I just reran it
[14:54] <Randomskk> now it's okay
[14:54] Action: hibby returns to afk
[14:54] <Randomskk> cool loopy path though
[14:54] <jonsowman> Randomskk: yeah I know, I just cleared the cache
[14:54] <Randomskk> jonsowman: ah cool
[14:54] <Randomskk> yea
[14:54] <Randomskk> bloody cache
[14:54] <jonsowman> mm I know right
[14:54] <Randomskk> >_>
[14:54] <Randomskk> wonder why it works so relatively badly
[14:55] <jgrahamc> Ah. Now they agree.
[14:55] <Randomskk> I reckon we should probably implement an application level cache rather than caching the http
[14:55] <jonsowman> yes
[14:55] <jonsowman> I agree
[14:55] <jonsowman> more things to be done
[14:55] <jonsowman> lol
[14:55] <Randomskk> heh
[14:55] <Randomskk> so many things
[14:56] <jgrahamc> OK. That's better.
[14:56] <jgrahamc> Still looking like GAGA-1 will be good for next Sunday. Excellent. Let's hope the weather stays like that.
[14:57] <Randomskk> great
[14:58] <jgrahamc> I can cope with driving from Cambridge to St. Neots to pick it up :-)
[14:59] <jgrahamc> Who do I need to email my XML file to for fldigi?
[14:59] <Randomskk> I guess jonsowman, though if you could put it on pastie I can make a habitat flight doc for it and we can test it with habitat too
[15:00] <jonsowman> sure
[15:00] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: send it my way :)
[15:00] <jgrahamc> Will do. Just need to check that I've got the shift correct (which I'll do tonight).
[15:01] <jonsowman> OK
[15:01] <jonsowman> if I'm not around, jcoxon can also do it for you
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[15:04] <jgrahamc> thanks
[15:04] <NigeyS> hey jgrahamc
[15:04] <jgrahamc> yo NigeyS
[15:05] <NigeyS> how's you john ?
[15:05] <jgrahamc> good
[15:06] <NigeyS> :D
[15:06] <jgrahamc> been to the churchill war rooms en famille
[15:06] <NigeyS> wow, a real treat! how was it ?
[15:07] <jgrahamc> It's quite spartan inside. But worth it. Perhaps a bit too much _Churchill_ everywhere
[15:07] <jgrahamc> Pity they didnt have more about sigsaly
[15:07] <jgrahamc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSALY
[15:08] <NigeyS> oh dont tell me they left him out :o !
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[15:09] <NigeyS> SIGSALY used a random noise mask to encrypt voice conversations
[15:09] <NigeyS> didnt know that !
[15:11] <jgrahamc> There is one in the National Cryptologic Museum
[15:11] <mattltm> Sounds like the tech behind the COUGAR system maybe?
[15:12] <jgrahamc> Probably similar
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[15:13] <mattltm> I loved that system.
[15:13] <mattltm> The code books were streight out of a spy film!
[15:14] <mattltm> Propper wax sealed pages :)
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[15:14] <NigeyS> http://pastebin.com/jvLQv6c8 does that make sense ? i think ive got the if else in the wrong segment :|
[15:16] <mattltm> I would guess that it needs to be outside.
[15:17] <NigeyS> hmm, i thought it was ok there because thats after the data is grabbed from the gps module but before it's transmitted .. dont see anywhere else it can go
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[15:19] <mattltm> Ah, I see. You are getting gps position regardless of if it has lock on not so it would return a 0 with no lock.
[15:19] <mattltm> So you get the posittion, then if it is >0 you throw the led on.
[15:19] <mattltm> Looks fine.
[15:20] <mattltm> Are you missing some {?
[15:20] <NigeyS> exactly, in the final board ill be using the lassen which has no led indicator, so just want something to say yes you have a lock
[15:20] <NigeyS> dont think so, it compiles ok
[15:21] <mattltm> if (someCondition) {
[15:21] <mattltm> // do stuff if the condition is true
[15:21] <mattltm> } else {
[15:21] <mattltm> // do stuff if the condition is false
[15:21] <mattltm> }
[15:21] <jonsowman> this is probably clearer, but the same thing http://pastebin.com/0KqYHWmH
[15:21] <mattltm> Ah, i see.
[15:21] <jonsowman> mattltm: that would also work
[15:22] <mattltm> I like to use { } as I grew up with PHP :)
[15:22] <jonsowman> for one line statements I personally think my way is neater, but whatever floats your boat :)
[15:22] <NigeyS> ahh thanks jonsowman my code is never neat! lol
[15:22] <mattltm> Confused me as NigeyS was being odd and using both ways :P
[15:23] <jonsowman> yeah using both is probably not wise, it looks a bit confusing
[15:23] <NigeyS> i have much to learn
[15:23] <jonsowman> but it will work
[15:24] <NigeyS> odlly it's not getting a lock now.. odd for the locosys, it normally locks within a few minutes
[15:25] <jonsowman> gpses are such fun
[15:26] <NigeyS> oh yes, its got lock now, but im apparently at -12m altitude..lol
[15:26] <jonsowman> heh
[15:26] <mattltm> lol
[15:26] <Randomskk> PHP does let you not use {}s
[15:26] <NigeyS> quick give me a scuba set im under the ocean!
[15:27] <Randomskk> it is obviously a big point of contention :P
[15:28] <mattltm> lol. I find the { } makes it easier for my slow brain to work out what's going on :)
[15:28] <Randomskk> try python ;P
[15:28] <jonsowman> try programming an arduino in python
[15:29] <jonsowman> bbl
[15:29] <mattltm> A dev friend of mine wants me to go over to Rails.
[15:29] <NigeyS> cya jonsowman and tnx :)
[15:29] <Randomskk> ruby is good fun
[15:29] <Randomskk> personally I prefer python but I have played with it a bit
[15:29] <Randomskk> very neat language
[15:29] <NigeyS> oo ruby .. very weird stuff when i tried it last
[15:30] <mattltm> The entire backend of upmystreet runs on Ruby
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[15:30] <Randomskk> NigeyS: it hasn't got any less weird :P
[15:31] <NigeyS> yikes
[15:31] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[15:31] <Zuph> Hey NigeyS
[15:31] <Zuph> How's it going this fine morning?
[15:32] <NigeyS> slowly, coding the new flight computer :/
[15:32] <NigeyS> you ?
[15:32] <NigeyS> Randomskk, am i right in thinking unless i seperate it out somehow, the delay i have in reading the temp sensors is also used for the delay in sending the gps string ?
[15:33] <Randomskk> NigeyS: in what code?
[15:33] <NigeyS> arduino C or whatever it claims it is
[15:33] <Randomskk> I'm not sure I get what you mean by 'the same delay'
[15:34] <Randomskk> as in, the same function?
[15:34] <Randomskk> or as in, the same actual time?
[15:34] <Randomskk> the arduino runs code one line at a time - so if there's a delay somewhere in the main loop, that will add on to the total time it takes before each string is sent
[15:35] <NigeyS> the same time, the code has a delay to read temp sensors every 3 seconds, but it also seems thats somehow being used to delay the gps tring aswell
[15:35] <NigeyS> ah ok, that explains it
[15:35] <NigeyS> string*
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[16:10] <fsphil> ker plow
[16:12] <NigeyS> boo
[16:19] <SamSilver> bbl
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[16:19] <mattltm> BLAM!
[16:19] <fsphil> splat!
[16:20] <mattltm> POW!
[16:20] <mattltm> Lol.
[16:20] <NigeyS> BISH!
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[16:30] <stilldavid> Onomatopoeia!
[16:30] <mattltm> lol.
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[16:30] <stilldavid> it's not as monosyllabic, but it'll do, I suppose
[16:32] <stilldavid> I'm putting together a launch video from yesterday.
[16:32] <stilldavid> people hate slow motion, right?
[16:33] <mattltm> yup. so use it lost :0
[16:33] <mattltm> *lots
[16:33] <stilldavid> well, there's one bit during launch when it's really windy
[16:34] <stilldavid> kinda fun to watch the balloon warp.
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[18:50] <jonsowman> hi zeusbot
[18:51] <Zuph> Moving sucks
[18:51] <Dan-K2VOL> it does only because our culture insists on having unique crap
[18:53] <Zuph> Dan-K2VOL: I'm starting to suspect that you're more of a robot than Jose.
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> one can asipre
[18:53] <Dan-K2VOL> aspire
[18:54] <Dan-K2VOL> I am just frustrated with the amount of time we waste as a species doing the same mundane crap as everybody else
[18:54] <Dan-K2VOL> think of the productivity we'd have if we didn't have to
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[18:57] <jonsowman> cool, I'm now !summon-able
[18:57] <mattltm> Yay!
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[19:11] <Laurenceb> ive got a win7 partition on my hdd, can i more it to another machine?
[19:11] <Laurenceb> *move
[19:12] <Laurenceb> by dd onto an external hard drive.. will that work?
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[19:18] <Shuffty> Evening all.
[19:18] <jonsowman> evening
[19:19] <Shuffty> Is anything exciting happening tonight?
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> I am eating a bananna.
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> I don't know what the threshold is though.
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[19:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Fergus Noble <fergusnoble@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] What compact camera to use?"
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[19:34] <griffonbot> Received email: andrewallan <andrewscottallan@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] SKYPOD LAUNCH"
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[19:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore <eam52@cam.ac.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] What compact camera to use?"
[19:41] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman <dave@sccs.co.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] What compact camera to use?"
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[19:46] <Shuffty> On the lassen iq, does anybody use the ppl, or is it just left hanging?
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[20:34] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Hass griffonbot always posted email addresses like that?
[20:35] <jonsowman> yep
[20:35] <jonsowman> someone on #apexhab complained about it earlier too
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[20:52] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:52] <jonsowman> evening jcoxon
[20:55] Action: Laurenceb is getting confused by partitions
[20:56] <jcoxon> while it is a competition i feel i should say that funcube dongle goes on sale in 5 mins
[20:56] <jcoxon> if i don't get one and someones does now i've said it i'll get grumpy :-p
[20:56] <jonsowman> I'd so buy one if I had the money
[20:56] <jonsowman> haha
[20:56] <Laurenceb> id buy one if i was convinced it worked
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[20:58] Action: LazyLeopard only noticed, I guess, because there were a bunch all together.
[20:59] Action: fsphil already has one jcoxon :p
[20:59] <Darkside> F5F5F5F5F5
[21:00] <fsphil> go go go!
[21:00] <jcoxon> got one
[21:00] <Darkside> YESSS!@
[21:00] <Darkside> same
[21:00] <Darkside> got one!
[21:00] <jonsowman> good work james
[21:01] <fsphil> congrats :)
[21:01] <fsphil> they're supremely nifty devices
[21:03] <jonsowman> and they're gone
[21:03] <jcoxon> fsphil, got one this time?
[21:03] <fsphil> last time
[21:03] <jcoxon> oh right
[21:03] <fsphil> been playing with it with my own payload here
[21:04] <hibby> Graham Shirville's coming up to our station with one in a week or two, from what I hear.
[21:05] <fsphil> not much software on linux to make use of the 96khz bandwidth
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[21:05] <hibby> when we get one up here, work'll go into LySDR to sort that out, from what I'm told
[21:06] <fsphil> I've been using spectravu via wine
[21:07] <fsphil> also works with fldigi directly, but only with 4khz
[21:07] <jcoxon> time for some 868
[21:07] <fsphil> definitely!
[21:07] <jonsowman> :D
[21:08] <fsphil> I've been thinking about how to better use the bandwidth too -- multiple ntx2's with slightly difference frequencies!
[21:08] <fsphil> though wiring them up together would be fun
[21:09] <Darkside> FDM :)
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[21:13] <Shuffty> If anybody is interested... :-) .. I know have a healthy 425 shift ... turns out the 10k resistors I'm using on the power side of things, were actually 5k5
[21:13] <Shuffty> know = now
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> p
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> colour-blindness, or crappy?
[21:15] <Shuffty> Didn't check... I knew I had no 10k left, so went and bought some - I labeled the bag and didn't think to check..
[21:15] <Shuffty> :-S
[21:16] <Shuffty> Oh and I build my aerial...
[21:16] <Shuffty> :-)
[21:17] <stilldavid> phew! http://www.flickr.com/photos/p1k3/5586363452/in/photostream/
[21:18] <stilldavid> it was *windy*
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[21:20] <jonsowman> :O
[21:20] <stilldavid> the balloon was just sitting on the tarp when we started
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[21:23] <jcoxon> ping hibby
[21:23] <jcoxon> oh and grumpiness on the funcube mailing list
[21:23] <jonsowman> hehe
[21:24] <jonsowman> jcoxon: you can look smug
[21:24] <jcoxon> perhaps
[21:24] <jcoxon> i just learnt from my mistakes and was prepared
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[21:27] <jgrahamc> jonsowman: you around?
[21:27] <jonsowman> I am
[21:27] <jonsowman> what's up?
[21:28] <LazyLeopard> stilldavid: Almost looks like it was lucky to get up high enough to clear the fence...
[21:28] <jgrahamc> Cool. Trying to test my XML with fldigi. Is there a way for me to load it into the program?
[21:28] <stilldavid> waited for it to calm for a few seconds, it was a couple meters up by the time it cleared the fence
[21:28] <stilldavid> was pretty sketchy for a few moments there, thoug
[21:28] <jonsowman> to load the XML into dl-fldigi?
[21:29] <jgrahamc> Yes
[21:29] <jonsowman> you'll need to send it to me so I can put it on the dl server
[21:29] <jonsowman> then it'll appear in the payloads dropdown
[21:29] <LazyLeopard> Was that the launch on the tracker yesterday?
[21:29] <jgrahamc> OK. I hacked it into the cache file so I could load it and it seems to work. How do I get it to tell me that it's successfully decoded a string (i.e. checksum is OK)?
[21:30] <jonsowman> it'll populate the bar above the received data area and highlight green for successful checksum & upload
[21:31] <jgrahamc> So I need to go online to see that that's working?
[21:31] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, if its loaded the xml it doesn't need to be online to check
[21:32] <jcoxon> it'll calc the checksum itself
[21:32] <jgrahamc> OK. So if I'm not seeing the green bar there's a problem?
[21:32] <stilldavid> LazyLeopard: wasn't on the spacenear.us tracker, if that's what you're asking
[21:32] <stilldavid> next one will be
[21:32] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, is it placing any of the data into the boxes?
[21:32] <jcoxon> stilldavid, UKHAS standard please!
[21:33] <jcoxon> or near enough :-p
[21:33] <jonsowman> hehe
[21:33] <stilldavid> jcoxon: point well taken
[21:33] <jcoxon> stilldavid, also i can now post your spot data
[21:33] <stilldavid> no leading zeroes next time, promise
[21:33] <jgrahamc> Yes, it's filling the boxes just fine. Although it didn't fill in the frequency shift correctly.
[21:33] <LazyLeopard> stilldavid: Yeah.
[21:33] <jcoxon> though i made a mistake and maxed out the POST to their webpage
[21:33] <jcoxon> :-p
[21:34] <stilldavid> jcoxon: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0VSOSac1275Xczm05gSxTBEcJcPoAf6Ix
[21:34] <stilldavid> disregard the first two and last one if you can :)
[21:35] <stilldavid> first couple are from SFE HQ
[21:35] <jcoxon> stilldavid, https://github.com/jamescoxon/Misc-Projects/blob/master/perlspot.pl
[21:35] <jcoxon> its really dirty but should actually work
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[21:36] <jcoxon> evening RocketBoy
[21:36] Action: stilldavid tries
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[21:36] <RocketBoy> hi guys
[21:36] <jgrahamc> What's your email address jonsowman? I'll send you my XML.
[21:37] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: jon@hexoc.com
[21:37] <jonsowman> hi RocketBoy
[21:38] <jgrahamc> On its way to you jonsowman. Cheers.
[21:39] <jonsowman> no worries, give me a few mins
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[21:45] <griffonbot> Received email: "Rob, M0DTS" <rswinbank@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] SKYPOD LAUNCH"
[21:45] <stilldavid> jcoxon: is this supposed to be run in real-time?
[21:45] <jcoxon> yeah should do
[21:45] <stilldavid> or can it parse a full file of data points?
[21:45] <jcoxon> its real time
[21:46] <stilldavid> I mean as-it's-happening launches rather than the next day
[21:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:46] <jcoxon> so you set the script running and it'll recognise new data and post it
[21:47] <stilldavid> ah, I see. I'm trying to make it parse the data from yesterday
[21:47] <stilldavid> with nothing new coming in
[21:47] <jonsowman> right jgrahamc, doing your XML now
[21:47] <jgrahamc> Cool, thanks.
[21:48] <jonsowman> done!
[21:48] <jonsowman> you should find it in the dl-fldigi dropdown now
[21:48] <jcoxon> stilldavid, i could easily get it to parse the data if you want
[21:48] <Randomskk> jgrahamc: could you shove the xml on pastie.org or something and I'll make a habitat flight doc?
[21:48] <jcoxon> stilldavid, give me 30 seconds
[21:48] <stilldavid> not a huge deal, don't worry about it.
[21:49] <jonsowman> Randomskk: http://pastebin.com/J1ZyzASj
[21:49] <Randomskk> cool
[21:50] <jgrahamc> Randomskk: also in the GAGA-1 Github repository here: https://github.com/jgrahamc/gaga/blob/master/gaga-1/flight/gaga1/gaga-1.xml
[21:50] <jgrahamc> Thanks jonsowman
[21:50] <jonsowman> you're welcome :)
[21:51] <jgrahamc> Now why wont fldigi download and populate that drop down. Aargh.
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[21:52] <jonsowman> might have to force re-downloading jgrahamc
[21:52] <MNSP> hello all :)
[21:52] <jonsowman> hi MNSP
[21:52] <jcoxon> stilldavid, here we go...
[21:52] <jgrahamc> You mean by hitting the Redownload button? Doesn't seem to do anything...
[21:53] <stilldavid> hey, there it is!
[21:53] <stilldavid> (sort-of)
[21:53] <stilldavid> only pulled in the last coord
[21:53] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: working here
[21:53] <jcoxon> is it going backwards?
[21:53] <stilldavid> whoops, updated
[21:53] <stilldavid> it did, jcoxon but it's a good proof of concept
[21:54] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: custom shift breaks current versions of dl-fldigi
[21:54] <jgrahamc> As I discovered :-)
[21:54] <jonsowman> I'll set it to 350 in the XML
[21:54] <jgrahamc> OK.
[21:54] <jonsowman> done
[21:54] <jonsowman> it'll be fixed in the next release
[21:54] <jcoxon> stilldavid, so, we can merge SPoT and NTX2 data
[21:54] <jcoxon> into an awesome track
[21:54] <jonsowman> ok that works
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[21:55] <stilldavid> sweet. going to get cracking on the new flight comp now
[21:56] <jgrahamc> OK, chaps, logging off for a reboot.
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[22:01] <griffonbot> Received email: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@btinternet.com> "Re: [UKHAS] SKYPOD LAUNCH"
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[22:05] <MNSP> I read somewhere on a few people climb everest every year, even fewer swim the english channel and even fewer still try high altitude ballooning
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[22:05] <MNSP> *only
[22:05] <jonsowman> heh
[22:06] <MNSP> I haven't checked the statistics tho :oP
[22:06] <MNSP> but journalists wouldn't make up statistics, surely!
[22:07] <jonsowman> never
[22:07] <jonsowman> :P
[22:09] <Randomskk> jgrahamc: what's the format for your lat/lon coordinates? dd.dddd? ddmm.mm?
[22:10] <jgrahamc> dd.dddd
[22:10] <jonsowman> it says in the xml
[22:10] <jonsowman> I think... or maybe it only does for ddmm.mm
[22:11] <Randomskk> oh it says "decimal"
[22:11] <Randomskk> which I guess might mean dd.dddd
[22:11] <jonsowman> it just means it's non-integer
[22:11] <jonsowman> there's a <format> field but it's optional
[22:11] <Randomskk> got to love how clear and obvious the xml format is
[22:11] <Randomskk> I see
[22:11] <jcoxon> in the xml we only do the format for ddmm.mmm
[22:11] <jcoxon> as it was a later addition
[22:12] <Randomskk> yea
[22:12] <jonsowman> yeah fair enough
[22:12] <jgrahamc> ddmm.mmmm is a stupid format
[22:12] <jgrahamc> Thanks jonsowman I now see my project in fldigi. Cool.
[22:13] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, agreed but the tracker can accept $GPGGA strings now
[22:13] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:13] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: good good :)
[22:14] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/1752213 should be right, then
[22:14] <jgrahamc> I'm not doing any of that $GPGGA ASCII string nonsense. Prefer to go straight to the binary and do TSIP.
[22:14] <jcoxon> jgrahamc, i like the idea of making a super simple tracker
[22:14] <jgrahamc> Randomskk: shift is 310 not 450
[22:15] <jcoxon> where the micro literally just slowed the baud rate down
[22:15] <Randomskk> jgrahamc: oops, yea. fixed.
[22:15] <Randomskk> jcoxon: but if you already have the micro...
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[22:15] <jcoxon> very true
[22:15] <jgrahamc> OK. And now I've got my GPS feeding FLDIGI also. Cool. So chase car will be trackable.
[22:15] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[22:15] <jcoxon> but for those crazy night before launch hacking
[22:15] <W0OTM> howdy
[22:15] <Randomskk> jcoxon: true :P
[22:16] <Randomskk> jgrahamc: cool, flight doc installed on habitat, so hopefully it'l pick your stuff up too now
[22:16] <jcoxon> hmmm we need to fix spacenear.us and dl-fldigi chase car
[22:16] <jgrahamc> Neat, Randomskk. Now all I need is good weather
[22:16] <Randomskk> hehe indeed
[22:18] <jcoxon> night all
[22:18] <jgrahamc> Night
[22:18] <jonsowman> night jcoxon
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[22:18] <MNSP> night all :)
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[22:20] <jgrahamc> OK. I should be a calling it a night also.
[22:20] <jgrahamc> Thanks for the help folks. Night.
[22:20] <jonsowman> night
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[22:32] <fsphil> pbh actually posted some photos: http://yfrog.com/gyfr7dsj
[22:33] <jonsowman> I wish they'd 1) use spacenear.us 2) be less secretive
[22:33] <fsphil> well I believe 1 was done unofficially :)
[22:34] <jonsowman> oh?
[22:34] <fsphil> jcoxon wrote a script to grab and post the positions
[22:34] <jonsowman> oh I see what you meqan
[22:34] <jonsowman> yeah I saw that
[22:34] <fsphil> but definitely hey need to at least post a picture or two
[22:34] <fsphil> or anything
[22:35] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:36] <fsphil> they where a lot more active on twitter this time
[22:36] <jonsowman> yeah
[22:36] <jonsowman> true
[22:39] <fsphil> man the funcubes sold out in 45 seconds tonight
[22:40] <jonsowman> :o
[22:40] <hibby> good greif.
[22:42] <Darkside> lol
[22:42] <Darkside> i got one :D
[22:42] <Shuffty> What is a funcube?
[22:42] <fsphil> funcube dongle -- it's a little usb radio receiver
[22:43] <Shuffty> Cool.
[22:43] <fsphil> http://www.funcubedongle.com/
[22:44] <Shuffty> Your invention fsphil?
[22:45] <fsphil> I wish :) there's way to much deep magic going on in there for me
[22:47] <Shuffty> I dont really need one - but I feel like I want one... :-)
[22:47] <russss> good luck getting one
[22:50] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:50] <stilldavid> how many do they make at a time?
[22:53] <fsphil> 500 that time I believe
[22:54] <Shuffty> Sorry to change the subject a moment - but what is the most popular size of balloon?
[22:55] <jonsowman> 1000-1500g I guess
[22:55] <jonsowman> depends on the payload
[22:55] <stilldavid> I just ran a 1200, getting two more 1500 this week
[22:55] <jonsowman> apex will be flying on a 1200g on Saturday
[22:56] <stilldavid> don't give them cold beer, though: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/3443558940/
[22:56] <Shuffty> Thanks. I'm thinking if I don't move forward and buy the ballon / chute / etc, I'll procrastinate...
[22:57] <stilldavid> hehe, it certainly makes it "real"
[22:57] <jonsowman> Shuffty: you don't want to have the balloon sitting around for /too/ long
[22:57] <jonsowman> the latex degrades over time
[22:57] <stilldavid> kaymont balloons have a shelf life of 1 year according to the manufacturer
[22:57] <jonsowman> yeah, it's a reasonable length of time
[22:58] <Shuffty> Thanks jonsowman - I do hope that I can get everyting forted in the next 2 months.
[22:58] <jonsowman> Shuffty: certainly keep them dry and well out of sunlight
[22:58] <Shuffty> forted - sorted
[22:58] <jonsowman> oh 2 months is fine -- no problem :)
[22:58] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:58] <jonsowman> sunlight will ruin them quickly though
[22:59] <jonsowman> keep 'em in the dark :)
[23:00] <Shuffty> How long normally to get flight permission sorted out?
[23:00] <jonsowman> at least 28 days
[23:01] <jonsowman> 6 weeks to be on the safe side really
[23:02] <Shuffty> ok - going to complete the forms and get that side sorted...
[23:02] <jonsowman> yep, good plan
[23:02] <fsphil> lol stilldavid -- but beer makes everything better!
[23:03] <NigelMoby> Meep meep
[23:03] <fsphil> hey nigey
[23:03] <NigelMoby> Hey Phil
[23:05] <NigelMoby> Phil have u got the last pastebin link I sent u?
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[23:05] <fsphil> yep yep
[23:06] <NigelMoby> Forgot to copy the pde to the mobile
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[23:07] <fsphil> very nice landing spot
[23:07] <fsphil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/5585563225/
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[23:08] <stilldavid> not shown: cows stampeding in the distance
[23:08] <NigelMoby> Lol @ the caption
[23:09] <stilldavid> so true. next time: handheld gps unit and perhaps a working radio battery :)
[23:09] <stilldavid> somehow the battery for the FT-817 shorted and melted the wires together
[23:10] <NigelMoby> Eeek
[23:10] <stilldavid> so we had to go on the last known location, then once in the field we looked up the spot position report
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[23:10] <fsphil> it did what? ... *looks at the innocent 817 in the corner*
[23:11] <stilldavid> haha, I have it on my desk now. the *very small* battery connector got smashed or something and shorted.
[23:11] <fsphil> yea it's silly small
[23:12] <fsphil> I was afraid breaking it when I first got it
[23:12] <stilldavid> I think that's what I wound up doing :(
[23:12] <stilldavid> at any rate, it's just the battery; the radio-side connector is intact
[23:13] <stilldavid> know any cheap high-capacity replacements?
[23:13] <fsphil> none cheap -- the only one I've seen is a bit pricey
[23:13] <stilldavid> how much so?
[23:14] <fsphil> *googling*
[23:16] <stilldavid> http://www.w4rt.com/FT-817-Accessories/One-Plug-Power-FT-817.htm
[23:16] <stilldavid> $65USD
[23:16] <stilldavid> :-/
[23:16] <fsphil> http://www.w4rt.com/FT-817-Accessories/One-Plug-Power-FT-817.htm
[23:16] <fsphil> ah, your google foo has bested me
[23:16] <stilldavid> took an extra few seconds to get it out of the silly frame
[23:17] <fsphil> yea -- the side didn't help my headache any
[23:17] <stilldavid> I should check to see if I have the AA battery holder
[23:17] <fsphil> a few lithiums in that will run it for ages
[23:17] <stilldavid> that might be the best option, just throw some rechargables in that.
[23:17] <stilldavid> it doesn't have to last forever, just a day. and it won't be TXing
[23:18] <stilldavid> what's the box material here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/5336352177/
[23:19] <fsphil> or get the car adaptor -- run it of the car, save the internals for the search
[23:19] <fsphil> the grey white spotty stuff is underfloor insulation
[23:20] <stilldavid> yes, definitely have the car adapter, but our payload wound up a mile from any road (happens out here in the boondocks!)
[23:20] <stilldavid> so it would be cool to have it with the yagi handheld
[23:20] <stilldavid> is the box itself just cardboard or something?
[23:20] <stilldavid> it looks more plastic-y
[23:20] <fsphil> it's a polystyrene sheet with foil on one side
[23:22] <fsphil> there's a name for it but by brain no work tonight
[23:22] <fsphil> underlay
[23:23] <fsphil> I'd used it mostly for the shiny, but it seemed to help. the payload temperature was pretty stable, just slowly increasing
[23:27] <Darkside> we have fun here in australia with payloads overheating on the ground
[23:28] <Darkside> esp in 35 degree weather
[23:28] <fsphil> I'd have loved that -- there was snow on the ground last time ;)
[23:29] <Darkside> i might get to experience that :P
[23:29] <stilldavid> that's why we went a day early - it's snowing now :)
[23:29] <Darkside> i might be coming to the UK sometime later this year
[23:29] <Darkside> need to organise a meeting with you guys :P
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[23:39] <jonsowman> im off, night
[23:40] <Darkside> nn
[23:40] <Darkside> 0910 here :P
[23:41] <stilldavid> 17:41, checking in
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[23:44] <Shuffty> night jonsowman
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