highaltitude.log.20110331

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> that happens if a TV station which normally does only shows for people of the age 50+ tries to explain the internet
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> That can be really funny.
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> as I said
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> youtube without a logo
[00:03] <Hibby> my mother still asks how to google and how she gets to amazon, and she's "only" 60-something
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> and when he hits an URL into firefox, the searchbar shows that he already was around on that site
[00:04] <Lunar_Lander> also, they tell people that Creative Commons means that the picture, song, etc. is free to use
[00:04] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> http://onlinecatalog.digikey.com/WebProject.asp?CodeId=7.4.4.18&BookCode=dsu&from=2# - for example.
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> Seems to be an interactive catalog specified by someone who had never actually used a computer.
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> You search for a string, and it pops up a list of pages with that string on.
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> it is still showing "100%"
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> It does however make page-turn noises.
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> now it finally opened
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> whoa
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> Because clearly that's useful.
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> and I can even turn the pages with a mouse gesture
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> The functionality is useful, but it sort of starts from the wrong place.
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> It's a lot better than it was, actually.
[00:18] <Shuffty> Goodnight all.
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> night Shuffty
[00:19] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[00:24] WhiteStarMC-174 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[00:35] jasonb_ (~jasonb@12.201.129.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[00:36] WhiteStarMC-171 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[00:42] WhiteStarMC-171 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[00:42] WhiteStarMC-174 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
[00:45] NigeyS (~EcEnTiAl@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[00:54] WhiteStarMC-174 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[00:54] WhiteStarMC-171 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[00:55] Dan-K2VOL1 (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[01:06] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:92f1:0:223:5aff:fef5:cce) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[01:10] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54A0635B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
[01:17] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[01:17] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54882FB2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude.
[01:33] WhiteStarMC-171 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[01:47] WhiteStarMC-174 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[01:50] n900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[02:10] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) joined #highaltitude.
[02:10] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) left irc: Client Quit
[02:11] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) joined #highaltitude.
[02:11] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) left irc: Client Quit
[02:14] Hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[02:28] Dan-K2VOL1 (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[02:28] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[02:31] hibby (~hibby@77.95.37.233) joined #highaltitude.
[02:31] hibby (~hibby@77.95.37.233) left irc: Changing host
[02:31] hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) joined #highaltitude.
[02:32] hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) left irc: Client Quit
[02:32] hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) joined #highaltitude.
[02:34] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[02:40] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[02:42] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54882FB2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
[03:01] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) joined #highaltitude.
[03:02] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) left irc: Client Quit
[03:03] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54882FB2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude.
[03:03] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54882FB2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit
[03:04] hibby_ (~hibby@77.95.37.233) joined #highaltitude.
[03:05] hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[03:30] WhiteStarMC-119 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) joined #highaltitude.
[04:19] W0OTM-iPad (~w0otm-ipa@173-23-66-65.client.mchsi.com) joined #highaltitude.
[04:25] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[04:30] W0OTM-iPad (~w0otm-ipa@173-23-66-65.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi
[04:33] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: http://plixi.com/p/88244297 Three days, three generations of ultra light quad helix antennas! #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/53314061609340928]
[04:44] kd0mto (~dago@64-121-165-15.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[04:47] rambo (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[04:48] rambo (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Client Quit
[04:51] kd0mto (~dago@64-121-165-15.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
[04:55] kd0mto (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[04:56] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[04:57] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[05:02] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[05:09] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[05:40] SpikeUK (d0331fa2@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) joined #highaltitude.
[05:47] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[05:52] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[05:53] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[05:58] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[06:05] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude.
[06:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Alexei Karpenko <alexei@karpenko.ca> "Re: [UKHAS] Fwd: Uploading to spacenear.us from fldigi"
[06:18] Gillerire (~Jamie@CPE-58-160-210-73.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #highaltitude.
[06:18] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.20.213) joined #highaltitude.
[06:21] MoALTz (~no@92.18.28.228) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[06:31] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.69) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[06:45] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[06:50] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) joined #highaltitude.
[06:54] <fsphil> yikes, I thought this project had been abandoned: http://arhab.blogspot.com/2011/03/sdg-10-flight-imminent.html
[06:54] <fsphil> another trans-atlantic balloon attempt
[06:57] Gillerire (~Jamie@CPE-58-160-210-73.sa.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[07:08] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[07:13] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[07:14] kd0mto (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Quit: sleeping
[07:14] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[07:14] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[07:17] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: http://t.co/r7GcMAg Building antenna after antenna, at least we're learning a thing or two - how to solder piano wire #arhab #soldering [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/53355090412699648]
[07:20] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) joined #highaltitude.
[07:21] <fsphil> Piano wire .. interesting idea
[07:22] <mattltm-alt> Morning :)
[07:22] <fsphil> mornin' mattltm-alt!
[07:22] <mattltm-alt> How goes it?
[07:23] <fsphil> it .. goes. mostly
[07:24] <fsphil> you?
[07:25] <mattltm-alt> lol. Im good thanks :)
[07:25] <mattltm-alt> Athough I do have to go to maplins this afternoon.
[07:25] <fsphil> ooh .. the evil place
[07:26] <mattltm-alt> Yup.
[07:26] <mattltm-alt> Good news is that our cafe has just opened so its time for coffee :)
[07:28] <fsphil> you lucky svn
[07:33] <Zuph> Stupid antennas
[07:34] <Zuph> Stupid feedline. Stupid connectors. Stupid satellites.
[07:35] <fsphil> Guessing no luck then?
[07:36] <Zuph> Ran our of wakeful time.
[07:36] <Zuph> Although I'm still up, so I can't really figure out how that one worked.
[07:36] <Zuph> Measured SWR on new helical: 5:1 inside, same as all our others.
[07:36] <fsphil> eek
[07:36] <Zuph> Even though this one is probably within 1-2cm of the correct length.
[07:37] <fsphil> and the swr meter is definitely ok?
[07:37] <Zuph> When we hung it up in a tree, it measure inf:1, and shut off our HT.
[07:37] <Zuph> Heh, well, it agrees with another meter we have.
[07:37] <Zuph> We think there is a bad crimp connector
[07:37] <SpeedEvil> 5:1 isn't good.
[07:38] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[07:38] <Zuph> This newest antenna is definitely the nicest we've built so far.
[07:43] <Zuph> We'll crimp on a new SMA connector tomorrow, and see where it gets us.
[07:44] <Zuph> I don't see how we can get 5:1 if were even ballpark in the right area.
[07:45] <fsphil> this using the piano wire?
[07:48] <Zuph> Yeah
[07:48] <Zuph> Whole antenna weighs 80g.
[07:51] <SpeedEvil> Piano wire is very high resistivity
[07:51] <SpeedEvil> especially when you consider the skin effect.
[07:51] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if that's wrecking it.
[07:51] <fsphil> what's the radiation pattern of a helical?
[07:52] <Zuph> fsphil: Something like this: http://www.haroonkhan-rf.com/tl_files/images/Experience_Figs/Fig4_pattern.jpg
[07:53] <fsphil> not bad
[07:54] <Zuph> SpeedEvil: Is it? We measured the resistivity of an 8 inch leftover piece we had, and it was well into the noise threshold of our meter (under .02 ohm)
[08:11] jgrahamc (58d33ade@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.211.58.222) joined #highaltitude.
[08:14] <jgrahamc> Anyone know why http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/ is showing me dates in May?
[08:26] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[08:27] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[09:00] <fsphil> that's a bit weird
[09:18] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[09:19] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[09:19] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:26] <eroomde> jgrahamc: a) hello how are things? b) I shall have a look
[09:26] <jgrahamc> (a) I await a calm day! Hope you are well and I assume you are back from your trip. (b) Thanks
[09:27] <eroomde> a) Yes, recovering thanks.
[09:28] <jgrahamc> You were away for work or hols?
[09:29] <eroomde> work - studing avalnaches in Davos
[09:31] <eroomde> avalanches*
[09:32] <eroomde> this was with our robotic blimp that I might have mentioned before
[09:32] <eroomde> 3D thermal reconstruction of the terrain
[09:33] <jgrahamc> A yes. The blimp! Wonderful.
[09:34] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: how are you doing the 3D?
[09:34] <eroomde> jgrahamc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K29dn0Mzspk
[09:35] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: a real time algo developed by one of the post docs
[09:36] <Laurenceb_> so video based rather than laser scanner?
[09:36] <eroomde> yes
[09:36] <eroomde> instead of doing feature detection then geometry recovery, it's a clever model based trick that does both at the same time
[09:36] <eroomde> it's quite cute
[09:37] <eroomde> i say 'trick', it was his thesis and large chunks of the optimisation stuff are over my head
[09:37] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[09:38] <jgrahamc> Love the landing video!
[09:38] <Laurenceb_> yeah ive seen feature detection and 3D "starfield" based stuff done to good effect
[09:38] <eroomde> emergency or not so emergency?
[09:38] <jgrahamc> Not emergency
[09:39] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[09:40] <eroomde> mmm i was just about getting he hang of it after a few flights. We had to fly manually as the digital elevation model we had for constucting autopilot waypoints seemed to be in a different co-ordinate system to the one claimed, so disagreeing in a crash-inducing way with gps altitude
[09:41] slothearn (~Christine@71.173.193.158) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[09:41] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[09:41] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK
[09:42] <eroomde> jgrahamc: hopefully the hourly prediction stuff should work when the cron job starts it at 11
[09:43] <jgrahamc> Cool. Not sure that's going to fix the wind though :-) Are you around Cambridge for the coming few weekends?
[09:43] <eroomde> it's an april fool's bug
[09:44] <eroomde> i am in france from the 22nd to the 30th, otherwise more or less around
[09:47] Action: Laurenceb_ has been hanging out on #openpilot
[09:47] <Laurenceb_> managed to talk to the guy who wrote the mental 5.5kline extended kalman
[09:47] <Laurenceb_> it was partly done with some scripts
[09:47] <jonsowman> hi eroomde
[09:47] <jonsowman> how are things?
[09:48] <Laurenceb_> apparently they tried various unscented kalman filters, but the basic ekf came out best as its faster
[09:48] <jgrahamc> Cool eroomde. I'll be in France the week before that (in Toulouse for a few days). Hoping we'll get a calm weekend in early April for GAGA-1 (after all I was aiming for the 60th anniversary of Gagarin's flight on April 12, 1951)
[09:49] <russss> 50th
[09:49] <russss> :P
[09:49] <eroomde> jgrahamc: I shall try and keep the date free!
[09:50] <eroomde> 60th?
[09:50] <jgrahamc> Oops. Yeah, 50th 1961, not 1951
[09:50] <eroomde> 2011-1951
[09:50] <eroomde> oh i c
[09:50] <jgrahamc> Not sure Gagarin flew before Sputnik!
[09:50] <eroomde> aspergers fail
[09:51] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[10:14] <fsphil> irony overload: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12918059
[10:37] <mattltm-alt> Lol. I like that :)
[10:39] <StrayVoltage> fsphil: Hahahah. Awesome. =)
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking that was the tesla/Top Gear thingy.
[10:41] <fsphil> that entire episode was a bit weird
[10:42] <mattltm-alt> Oh the poor BBC!
[10:42] <mattltm-alt> Just reading about their server srashe the other night..
[10:42] <mattltm-alt> "The outage set Twitter alight with angry fans questioning how such a breakdown happened."
[10:43] <mattltm-alt> Probbly moaning that they could not watch a rerun of eastenders in the iplayer.
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> I couldn't download the latest episode of Just a Minute!
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> Someone must pay!
[10:44] <mattltm-alt> Problem was.... "The first is the aggregation of network traffic from the BBC's hosting centres to the internet. The second is the announcement of 'routes' onto the internet that allows BBC Online to be 'found',"
[10:45] <mattltm-alt> So basicly someone was screwing around with their BGP router.
[10:46] <mattltm-alt> In other news....
[10:46] <mattltm-alt> http://www.fm-world.co.uk/news/fm-industry-news/g4s-dog-handler-arrested-at-olympic-stadium/
[10:54] Dooberry (~Dooberry@5ad9667d.bb.sky.com) left irc:
[11:02] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) joined #highaltitude.
[11:11] <Laurenceb_> sounds like someone screwed up
[11:22] <SamSilver> huh?
[11:28] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[11:28] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[11:42] WhiteStarMC-119 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[11:49] MoALTz (~no@92.18.20.213) joined #highaltitude.
[11:50] <hibby_> Anyone know whether shift/ascii bits/etc is stored on the server side xml when it comes to fldigi and hab mode?
[11:50] <fsphil> yea it's in the xml
[11:51] <NigelMoby> Eeeeeechew!
[11:52] <fsphil> for example: http://robertharrison.org/listen/icarus.xml
[11:52] <fsphil> in <txtype>
[11:52] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.20.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[11:53] <fsphil> eeechew? some kind of electronic sweet?
[11:53] <fsphil> so when you select a payload and hit autoconfigure it sets up everything but frequency
[11:53] <NigelMoby> Lol I sneezled
[11:54] WhiteStarMC-119 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) joined #highaltitude.
[11:55] <SamSilver> later byeee
[11:55] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[11:59] WhiteStarMC-119 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[12:13] fsphil (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[12:17] <andrewallan> anyone know why my fldigi is working fine but dl-fldigi gives gibberish data?
[12:17] <andrewallan> all the settings are the same...
[12:20] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[12:21] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[12:21] fsphil (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) joined #highaltitude.
[12:24] <andrewallan> my fldigi works fine - getting good data, dl-fldigi is set up exactly the same, shows the same waterfall, but prints nonsense data. Any thoughts anyone?
[12:26] <jgrahamc> Are you sure that the decoding is set the same (e.g. stop bits etc.)?
[12:26] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[12:27] <hibby_> jgrahamc: i went and had a check, it's identical
[12:27] <hibby_> everything down to soundcard settings
[12:27] <jgrahamc> Hmm. Very odd.
[12:31] <hibby_> it's almost like in hab mode it's listening to the wrong channel
[12:31] Nick change: hibby_ -> Hibby
[12:32] Hibby (~hibby@77.95.37.233) left irc: Changing host
[12:32] Hibby (~hibby@unaffiliated/hibby) joined #highaltitude.
[12:37] <fsphil> problems?
[12:40] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[12:41] <eroomde> andrewallan: reversed?
[12:41] <eroomde> 'Rv' in a check box in the corner
[12:41] <eroomde> equivalent to usb/lsb swapping
[12:42] <eroomde> Hibby: see above too
[12:42] <Hibby> ooh, could be it.
[12:43] <Hibby> andrewallan: that work?
[12:43] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.20.213) joined #highaltitude.
[12:43] <Hibby> eroomde: it works nicely in my satellite station, which didn't help matters any.
[12:44] tyrosine (~scott@n159-178-225-242.hsc.xlate.ufl.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[12:45] MoALTz (~no@92.18.20.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
[12:46] NigeyS (~EcEnTiAl@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[12:47] <andrewallan> bingo! Cheers eroomde
[12:47] <NigeyS> what nasty weather we have today :(
[12:49] <russss> it's sunny here
[12:49] <russss> or at least it was, until I said that.
[12:49] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[12:49] <eroomde> andrewallan: no probs.
[12:50] <fsphil> suns out here now, was right n'orrible earlier
[12:50] <andrewallan> new problem appeared...sometimes start of string is cut off
[12:50] <eroomde> same
[12:50] <eroomde> sunny here now too, raining this morning
[12:50] <eroomde> andrewallan: squelch?
[12:50] <eroomde> also a button in the lower right corner iirc
[12:50] <fsphil> yea, SQ
[12:51] <eroomde> (if on, turn it off)
[12:51] <fsphil> or SQL even
[12:51] <andrewallan> yeah turning squelch off sorted it!
[12:51] <andrewallan> dont i want squalch on?
[12:51] <andrewallan> *squelch
[12:52] <NigeyS> awful here, went to shop and almost flew it's that windy !
[12:52] <fsphil> it takes time for the squelsh to open when a signal appears
[12:52] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[12:52] <fsphil> better to run without it
[12:52] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK
[12:52] <fsphil> yea the birds are flying backwards today
[12:53] <NigeyS> lol
[12:53] <andrewallan> thanks guys - learning a lot today!
[12:55] <eroomde> andrewallan: joy of the net! squelch is best turned off for weak signal stuff like habs. it's really only used for local fm stuff, like repeaters
[12:55] <eroomde> where you're guaranateed to get nice strong signals and it doesn't matter id you loose the first 0.1s of someone talking
[12:58] <andrewallan> great - off it is!
[13:01] <eroomde> are you going to try and catch some of the flights next weekend now that your set-up seems to be working?
[13:08] <fsphil> cool, Apex launch looks to be still on
[13:08] <eroomde> yep
[13:08] <eroomde> I'll help out with the launch. it's been a while!
[13:09] <andrewallan> skypod launch will be early next week!
[13:09] <eroomde> :)
[13:10] <eroomde> I'm unfortunately not very good at keeping track of all the launches at the moment - there are pleasingly many at the mo!
[13:10] <fsphil> I've still my radio setup from strathab, so will leave it in place. looks like it'll be busy
[13:10] <eroomde> do you have a link to a webpage for skypod?
[13:10] <andrewallan> some fake skypod data is currently being uploaded to spacenear.us
[13:10] <andrewallan> skypod website is sunset-skypod.co.uk
[13:12] <fsphil> it's nice to see some flights in the north end of the country
[13:13] <eroomde> wonder if we'll pick it up from cambridge (midlands)
[13:13] <Hibby> fsphil: were you about when I started hatching my plans last night?
[13:13] <Hibby> using a bifferboard and some sstv goodness?
[13:13] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) joined #highaltitude.
[13:13] <fsphil> indeedy!
[13:13] <Hibby> I think I'll call it hibhab
[13:13] <Hibby> :p
[13:13] <fsphil> everyone needs some sstv goodness now and then :) or ssdv in my case ;)
[13:14] <fsphil> habby!
[13:16] <Hibby> pahahah
[13:17] <Hibby> the local radio nerds I do nerd things with are keen too.
[13:19] <fsphil> I wish our lot was
[13:21] <eroomde> yes, some are keen to try things and some just like talking about the back pain on 70cm repeaters
[13:21] <eroomde> their*
[13:21] <eroomde> as in life, I guess
[13:22] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[13:22] <Hibby> We're well into our data modes. Pretty much no one goes above 2m here, so we (effectively) rule the airwaves :)
[13:22] <fsphil> indeed
[13:22] <Hibby> it's only a group of 5 or 6 of us. Is cool, though.
[13:23] <fsphil> they're all radio nerds at the local club, but don't dabble much with computers at all. as is evident by their website :)
[13:23] <Hibby> lol
[13:24] <Hibby> right, I've got to go solder things for people. The joys of being able to do things...
[13:24] <fsphil> soldering is good for you
[13:32] <NigeyS> i feel cheated! Harry Potter & The Deathly hallows is rubbish! i want the 2hours of my life back :(
[13:32] MoALTz (~no@92.18.88.125) joined #highaltitude.
[13:32] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.20.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[13:33] <SamSilver> NigeyS you lost three hours so far and the week mis not over yet!
[13:33] <SamSilver> *is
[13:34] <NigeyS> i know :( it's criminal i tell you!
[13:36] <fsphil> on the plus side you'll get one of those hours back
[13:36] <SamSilver> this space time thing is not all it's cracked up to be!
[13:36] <NigeyS> fsphil, not for 6 months! :(
[13:37] <SamSilver> it is very hard to shit it around
[13:38] <SamSilver> * shift
[13:38] <SamSilver> means the same realy :)
[13:39] <SamSilver> anywhoooooo .... what is the count down for WhiteStar looking like? days or hours?
[13:40] <NigeyS> oh i'd think a good few days at least
[13:41] <fsphil> there looks to be two other teams going before they try again
[13:41] <SamSilver> cut the roof of the red car with 5/8 whip
[13:41] <SamSilver> a third?
[13:42] <SamSilver> PBH
[13:42] <SamSilver> who else?
[13:43] <fsphil> PBH (which I'm not convinced is an amateur team) and this guy http://arhab.blogspot.com/2011/03/sdg-10-flight-imminent.html
[13:43] <fsphil> I found that last one a few years ago -- I thought it had been abandoned since the updates stopped
[13:44] <NigeyS> isnt pbh funded by lockheed martin ?
[13:46] <SamSilver> SDG-10 is a trans atlantic fight?
[13:46] <fsphil> it is
[13:47] <SamSilver> http://arhab.blogspot.com/2009/10/superpressure-balloon-sdg-10-to-fly-in.html I see that now
[13:56] <jgrahamc> Hey eroomde. Any ideas what's going on with the predictor? It seems to be showing that there will be good conditions to launch shortly but given that the dates are all screwed up I don't trust it.
[14:00] <eroomde> ah right, my previous fix obviosuly didn't work. will have another look
[14:00] <jgrahamc> Thanks.
[14:00] <eroomde> it's trustworthy, in that they're sequential hourly landings. just ignore the metadata
[14:02] <jgrahamc> OK. So it looks like it's possible that next weekend will be good.
[14:03] <eroomde> yep
[14:03] <eroomde> well, that 5 days time should be good
[14:06] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.88.125) joined #highaltitude.
[14:06] tyrosine (scott@n159-178-225-242.hsc.xlate.ufl.edu) left #highaltitude.
[14:07] <jgrahamc> OK, but if I'm reading it this correctly this weekend is a no go.
[14:07] <eroomde> correct
[14:07] <eroomde> and i have a big dinner party to cook for
[14:07] <fsphil> >2 day predictions sometimes change :)
[14:08] MoALTz__ (~no@92.9.64.77) joined #highaltitude.
[14:08] MoALTz (~no@92.18.88.125) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
[14:10] MoALTz (~no@92.9.64.77) joined #highaltitude.
[14:11] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.88.125) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[14:13] MoALTz__ (~no@92.9.64.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[14:16] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) joined #highaltitude.
[14:17] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[14:18] smea (~smealum@89-156-20-102.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude.
[14:22] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) joined #highaltitude.
[14:31] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Read error: No route to host
[14:33] <NigeyS> hey Zuph
[14:33] <Zuph> Hey NigeyS
[14:34] <NigeyS> how did the antenna work go ?
[14:39] <imrcly> was it my horrible connector?
[14:40] <NigeyS> hey imrcly :)
[14:49] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[14:55] Syrill (~wtfff@cpe-72-134-52-220.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:57] MoALTz_ (~no@92.9.64.77) joined #highaltitude.
[15:01] WhiteStarMC-119 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) joined #highaltitude.
[15:01] SpikeUK (d0331fa2@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[15:01] MoALTz (~no@92.9.64.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[15:04] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) joined #highaltitude.
[15:05] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[15:07] MoALTz (~no@92.18.71.117) joined #highaltitude.
[15:08] MoALTz__ (~no@92.18.71.117) joined #highaltitude.
[15:09] MoALTz_ (~no@92.9.64.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[15:11] MoALTz (~no@92.18.71.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[15:15] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.71.117) joined #highaltitude.
[15:18] MoALTz__ (~no@92.18.71.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[15:19] MoALTz__ (~no@92.9.72.87) joined #highaltitude.
[15:22] <jgrahamc> Based on the state of the weather prediction on the hourly predictor it looks like calmer winds next week. So, very tentaively, I'm going to declare that I'll try to launch GAGA-1 on Sunday, April 10.
[15:22] <jgrahamc> Of course, everything could change between now and then...
[15:22] MoALTz_ (~no@92.18.71.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[15:22] <Upu> where you launching from ?
[15:22] <Upu> jgrahamc
[15:23] <jgrahamc> Cambridge
[15:23] <Upu> good I should be able to track that one
[15:25] <imrcly> our predictions are junk through the 6th also
[15:25] <jgrahamc> Where are you launching from imrcly?
[15:25] <eroomde> jgrahamc: erm, i think that sunday is quite busy already
[15:26] <eroomde> apex II and another one
[15:26] <imrcly> spaceport indian a i am with whitestar
[15:26] <jgrahamc> Are yes.
[15:26] <imrcly> Indiana*
[15:26] <jgrahamc> Ok eroomde, I'll shoot for a different date.
[15:27] <eroomde> might be able to fit it in though as I beleive apex II is dawn. best ask jonsowman
[15:27] <jgrahamc> You around jonsowman?
[15:28] MoALTz__ (~no@92.9.72.87) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[15:29] <jonsowman> hi jgrahamc
[15:29] <jgrahamc> Was just saying that it looks like Sunday, April 10 might be my first opportunity to launch and Ed was saying that that say looked pretty busy. Is Apex II going off early in the morning?
[15:30] <jonsowman> jgrahamc: the two launches are on the saturday
[15:30] <jonsowman> (9th)
[15:30] <jgrahamc> Ah, so if the winds cooperate and I can persuade eroomde to turn up April 10 might be possible. Thanks.
[15:40] <jgrahamc> OK, then if you guys are ok (eroomde etc.) I'm going to shoot for April 10 and see closer to the time if the winds are good.
[15:45] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[15:55] <eroomde> fine with me
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJfWya9bPyU watch porn.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> (not in that way)
[15:59] <jgrahamc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDHrO7Hc0m0 pi animated.
[15:59] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[16:02] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[16:03] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[16:03] jgrahamc (58d33ade@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.211.58.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[16:07] kd0mto (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[16:09] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) joined #highaltitude.
[16:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan K2VOL <steamfire@gmail.com> "[UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[16:17] Dan-K2VOL (~Adium@74-143-44-42.static.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude.
[16:22] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) joined #highaltitude.
[16:27] AndChat| (~nigel@89.192.88.199) joined #highaltitude.
[16:28] DB10 (~chatzilla@host109-157-151-107.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[16:28] ejcweb (~chatzilla@gr.189.156.188.dial.global.net.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[16:29] Nick change: kd0mto -> DagoRed
[16:30] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[16:31] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host217-43-78-98.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[16:32] AndChat| (~nigel@89.192.88.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[16:39] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[16:40] Blackover (6d6f8a71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.111.138.113) joined #highaltitude.
[16:44] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[16:56] jasonb (~jasonb@12.201.129.162) joined #highaltitude.
[16:57] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood <john@jcu.me.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[16:59] smea (~smealum@89-156-20-102.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[17:13] <SamSilver> bbl
[17:13] SamSilver (2985f4df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.244.223) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[17:14] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:92f1:0:223:5aff:fef5:cce) joined #highaltitude.
[17:15] jamestosh (829fb7a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.159.183.160) joined #highaltitude.
[17:15] <fsphil> antennas is probably the most complex part of radios
[17:15] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[17:16] <NigeyS> i think Dan concurs phil
[17:16] <NigeyS> hi Dan-K2VOL :)
[17:17] DB10 (~chatzilla@host109-157-151-107.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[17:17] <Dan-K2VOL> hey nigey and phil
[17:17] <Dan-K2VOL> yeah, I think we need to make 3D antenna printers
[17:18] <NigeyS> how sweet would that be !
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> and let them fool around on its own with making 40 antennas until one is right
[17:18] <NigeyS> 1 day dan 1 day! hehe
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> you know even if we could afford an antenna, nobody makes an antenna that's light enough!
[17:19] <NigeyS> i was looking at retail antennas the other day and thought they all were just going to be to dam heavy :/
[17:19] <Dan-K2VOL> we've figured out how to do it light enough now - 110g for the latest QFH
[17:19] <NigeyS> what's your max weight you can get away with ?
[17:19] <Dan-K2VOL> 150g
[17:20] <NigeyS> ouch
[17:20] <Dan-K2VOL> that's not the hard part, tiny spring steel piano wire holds the shapes nicely
[17:20] <NigeyS> i saw the soldering video for piano wire, that looks fun!
[17:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham GW8RAK <graham.ogle@virgin.net> "[UKHAS] Re: Tuning vhf antennas"
[17:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew <matt@casadelkarma.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[17:47] <fsphil> Is there a picture of the helix antenna you made anywhere?
[17:48] MoALTz (~no@92.18.81.6) joined #highaltitude.
[17:49] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[17:53] smea (~smealum@89-156-20-102.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude.
[17:57] grummund_ (~grummund@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[17:57] grummund1 (~user@aa.dnsdojo.com) joined #highaltitude.
[17:59] grummund (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[18:00] <fsphil> ah found a pic
[18:00] <fsphil> are the support beams made of metal?
[18:02] <Dan-K2VOL> not on the latest one
[18:02] <Dan-K2VOL> a middle version was
[18:02] <Dan-K2VOL> in the twitter stream there's some pics: http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar
[18:02] DB10 (~chatzilla@host109-157-151-107.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[18:03] DB10 (~chatzilla@host109-157-151-107.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit
[18:03] <fsphil> aye, looking at this one: http://plixi.com/p/88244297#
[18:04] <fsphil> I don't know much about this antenna but I thought it weird that there'd be any connection between the two sides
[18:04] <Laurenceb> heh the clock
[18:04] <Dan-K2VOL> look at the one in the new youtube video, that's got bamboo supports
[18:05] Zuph (~bradluyst@ulsecure-belknap-21181.wireless.louisville.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[18:05] <Dan-K2VOL> laurenceb the big one behind me? Tyler made that for an FPGA class in uni, it's a pretty cool countdown/countup
[18:06] <Laurenceb> looks good
[18:06] <Dan-K2VOL> we'd use it for countdown, but you know how reliable counting down to a balloon launch is!
[18:07] ejcweb (~chatzilla@gr.189.156.188.dial.global.net.uk) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110323142937]
[18:07] <fsphil> like a windows xp "Time remaining" dialog eh?
[18:08] <Dan-K2VOL> ha eah
[18:09] <Dan-K2VOL> it will be a mission elapsed timer
[18:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen <steamfire@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[18:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore <eam52@cam.ac.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[18:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen <steamfire@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[18:28] SpikeUK (56a13eb2@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) joined #highaltitude.
[18:29] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) joined #highaltitude.
[18:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Robert Darlington <bobd@x-division.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[18:35] Action: Laurenceb has been populating QFN parts with solder paste + hot air gun
[18:36] <Laurenceb> works really well if you're careful with the paste, im suprised
[18:37] <Laurenceb> just smeared the paste all over to roughtly constant thickness
[18:37] Zuph (~bradluyst@ulsecure-belknap-21181.wireless.louisville.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> The wonders of surface tension
[18:38] Zuph (~bradluyst@ulsecure-belknap-21181.wireless.louisville.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[18:39] <Laurenceb> its no clean paste, but theres flux residue under the ics
[18:40] <Laurenceb> its really hard stuff, guess itll help reinforce things a bit
[18:41] <imrcly> yay new laptop battery
[18:41] <Blackover> don't understand what conversation about
[18:41] <imrcly> only took a freaking hour
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Blackover: Wetted balls.
[18:42] <Laurenceb> i was worried about solder balls between the pads
[18:42] <Laurenceb> oddly it hasnt happened, only over the reset of the pcb
[18:42] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[18:43] <Laurenceb> seems the way the flux behaves the melting solder balls between the pads are drawn to the pads
[18:43] <Laurenceb> i have ~0.1 to 0.05mm diameter solder droplets over the pcb around the ics
[18:45] <Laurenceb> this technique seems easier than trying to get the right amount of paste on each pad, providing you have closely spaced pads under the ic
[18:45] rambo (~dago@64-121-236-126.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[18:45] rambo (~dago@64-121-236-126.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Client Quit
[18:46] rambo (~dago@64-121-236-126.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[18:47] Nick change: DagoRed -> Guest70414
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Smeared paste over the pads?
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> or all over the footprint?
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Oh - also.
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ownta.com/nokia-3g-n8-n900-c6-series-new-bga-stencil.html - for example
[18:49] Guest70414 (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.upd-ubr1.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[18:50] <Laurenceb> all over the footprint, to ~even thickness
[18:50] Nick change: rambo -> info
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> I suppose with QFN, the central pad will absorb the spare.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> To a degree.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> One of the times a teeny x-ray machine'd be handy
[18:51] <Laurenceb> i just looked at the sides with a microscope
[18:51] <Laurenceb> its fairly easy to tell if its gone pear shaped
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Can you see lack of balls inside?
[18:51] <Laurenceb> yeah
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Or are you assuming the flx is gluing them down
[18:51] <Laurenceb> i tried dissolving the flux underneath with propanol
[18:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew <matt@casadelkarma.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> What sort of scope?
[18:52] <Laurenceb> but you dont need to - if its sitting even and theres no obvious bridges or lac of solder at any pads, its probably ok
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> I suppose.
[18:52] <Laurenceb> crazy hacked up lab microscope i found in a skip at work
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> That's onre really thing about lack of trandport.
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> I can't go and visit my favourite skips.
[18:53] <Laurenceb> modified optics to give long focal length
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> really annoying
[18:53] <Laurenceb> i can see right under the ics on the board i pidded in propanol
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> Neat.
[18:54] <Laurenceb> *dipped
[18:54] Nick change: info -> kd0mto
[18:54] <Laurenceb> about 0.05mm clearance maybe
[18:56] <Laurenceb> smtstencils.co.uk is good
[18:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen <steamfire@gmail.com> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[19:09] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) left irc: Quit: It was a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
[19:11] andrewallan (~andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) joined #highaltitude.
[19:16] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) joined #highaltitude.
[19:16] DanielRichman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-rrewvhjzjnpgeswz) left irc: Quit: leaving
[19:17] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[19:18] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[19:18] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - Skypod Launch ~1000BST 04/04/11 from Kilmarnock, Scotland
[19:19] #highaltitude: mode change '-o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[19:19] Syrill (~wtfff@cpe-72-134-52-220.socal.res.rr.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:20] <griffonbot> Received email: "Chris Foote (Spike)" <spike@tenbus.co.uk> "Re: [UKHAS] Tuning vhf antennas"
[19:21] sbasuita (ssb@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-jchhdazqqojkuvog) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[19:21] DanielRichman (5610ae56@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.16.174.86) joined #highaltitude.
[19:24] futurity (~anonymous@cpc29-cmbg15-2-0-cust249.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:29] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[19:36] DanielRichman (5610ae56@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.16.174.86) left irc:
[19:37] jamestosh (829fb7a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.159.183.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[19:37] DanielRichman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pnionyebkmtakzwf) joined #highaltitude.
[19:37] DanielRichman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pnionyebkmtakzwf) left irc: Client Quit
[19:37] DanielRi1hman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-xizqxeoeavxiwyrn) joined #highaltitude.
[19:38] Nick change: DanielRi1hman -> DanielRichman
[19:39] DanielRichman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-xizqxeoeavxiwyrn) left irc: Changing host
[19:39] DanielRichman (daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) joined #highaltitude.
[19:39] DanielRichman (daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Changing host
[19:39] DanielRichman (daniel@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-xizqxeoeavxiwyrn) joined #highaltitude.
[19:39] jgrahamc (5ec23f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.63.158) joined #highaltitude.
[19:53] chembrow (~chris@188-221-15-153.zone12.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[19:53] <chembrow> evening all
[19:55] <jgrahamc> evening
[19:56] <Blackover> evening chem
[19:56] <chembrow> jgrahamc nice write up on the samsung keylogger stuff
[19:57] <jgrahamc> thanks chembrow really annoying article by the original folks. I bet they are scared of ending up in court now
[19:57] <chembrow> yeah. I've got first hand experience of security types resting on their credentials. currently going through an audit with some CLAS consultants
[19:58] <chembrow> not impresses at all
[19:58] <chembrow> just a shame I'm doing the CISSP course in 2 weeks :p
[19:58] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:59] <jgrahamc> good luck!
[19:59] <chembrow> thanks. not doing the exam tho. not yet, anyway
[20:03] <jgrahamc> Hmm. Hourly predictor makes it look like next weekend might not be favourable. Looks like balloon would be blown far north.
[20:05] <chembrow> shame. hopefully you'll get a slot soon. I'm still aiming (loosely) for mid-May
[20:08] jasonb (~jasonb@12.201.129.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[20:10] <fsphil> weather's been rubbish for a while now
[20:10] <fsphil> maybe it's always like this at this time of year?
[20:14] <NigeyS> http://www.eso.org/public/archives/images/screen/elt_1_cc_sm_001.jpg
[20:14] <NigeyS> please may i have 1 of those
[20:14] <fsphil> why stop at 1?
[20:15] <NigeyS> well, if you want to build me 2 :D
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> I want one of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OverWhelmingly_Large_Telescope.jpg instead.
[20:15] <fsphil> nah, I'm getting one of these: http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/eelt/owl/images/High_resolution/OWLC_1200.jpg
[20:15] <fsphil> beat me to it!
[20:16] <NigeyS> haha the OWL is stupidly huge!
[20:19] andrewallan (andrewall@server.nowhere-else.org) left #highaltitude.
[20:19] jgrahamc (5ec23f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.63.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[20:20] jasonb (~jasonb@12.201.129.162) joined #highaltitude.
[20:23] SpikeUK (56a13eb2@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[20:33] grummund_ (~grummund@unaffiliated/grummund) left irc: Quit: leaving
[20:38] Zuph (~bradluyst@ulsecure-belknap-21181.wireless.louisville.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[20:42] futurity (~anonymous@cpc29-cmbg15-2-0-cust249.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: futurity
[20:50] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) left irc: Quit: It was a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
[20:59] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) joined #highaltitude.
[21:00] Dan-K2VOL (~Adium@74-143-44-42.static.insightbb.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[21:03] <Shuffty> Can I get some help on the ft790r - I'm completely lost...
[21:04] <Shuffty> I'm not even sure what I'm seeing in the display window! The Operating manual says its the last 5 digits from the operating frequency - anybody hold my hand, or point me in a direction.
[21:07] chembrow (~chris@188-221-15-153.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:08] smea (~smealum@89-156-20-102.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[21:09] Action: LazyLeopard would guess, then, that if it shows 30750 it'll be at 433.0750 MHz.
[21:10] <LazyLeopard> ...but I don't have one, so that's just a guess.
[21:10] <fsphil> yea the display drops the first two digits
[21:10] <fsphil> which are always 43
[21:11] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[21:14] <Randomskk> any launches upcoming besides skypod, in the next few weeks?
[21:14] <fsphil> apex, and possibly gaga-1
[21:14] <Randomskk> gaga-1's jgramhamc's thing right?
[21:14] <fsphil> aye
[21:14] <Randomskk> shame he just left
[21:14] <Randomskk> I seem to remember a second launch on the apex day too
[21:14] <Randomskk> working on the new tracker system
[21:15] <Randomskk> it's getting pretty close
[21:15] <fsphil> what's new?
[21:15] <Randomskk> well the new system is a from-scratch rewrite
[21:15] <Randomskk> rather than one massive listen.php file on robertharrison.org which then makes an http request to tracker/track.php on spacenear.us to give it the data
[21:16] <Randomskk> however at the moment the file on robertharrison.org has been slightly hijacked: as well as doing what it always does, it also resubmits that data to the new system
[21:16] <Randomskk> and the new system also now posts that data to http://habhub.org/tracker/ after parsing it
[21:16] <Randomskk> so http://habhub.org/tracker/ will show up parsed data from flights it's configured to watch for
[21:17] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) joined #highaltitude.
[21:19] natrium42 (~alexei@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving
[21:20] natrium42 (~alexei@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:20] <fsphil> cool
[21:22] <Randomskk> basically it does nothing new at the moment and doesn't have a web interface either but is some 7400 lines of code more (716% more code!)
[21:22] <Randomskk> so it must be better
[21:23] Shuffty (bcdde366@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.227.102) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[21:24] Shiffty001 (~Shuffty@188-221-227-102.zone12.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[21:31] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@74-141-168-115.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:34] <natrium42> hi Dan-K2VOL
[21:34] <Dan-K2VOL> hey alexei
[21:35] <natrium42> are you getting enough sleep?
[21:36] <Dan-K2VOL> haha no
[21:36] <Dan-K2VOL> you?
[21:36] <natrium42> :S
[21:36] <natrium42> well, yes, i got ill though...
[21:41] <Dan-K2VOL> i'm barely keeping healthy, but doing alright. was that trip a lot of work?
[21:42] <natrium42> nah, more like vacation :D
[21:42] <natrium42> still here
[21:43] <natrium42> going back on monday
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spacex.com/
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[21:44] <natrium42> omg
[21:44] <natrium42> mission to mars?
[21:44] Nick change: Shiffty001 -> Shuffty
[21:46] Dan-K2VOL (Dan-K2VOL@74-141-168-115.dhcp.insightbb.com) left #highaltitude.
[21:50] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye
[21:51] <Laurenceb> http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/eelt/owl/FAQs.html
[21:51] <Laurenceb> lol the donkey
[21:51] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: look at your calender
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> It is the 31st.
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> And it does say on 05/04 - not 01/04
[21:53] <Laurenceb> true
[21:53] MNSP (Mit@cpc1-lutn3-0-0-cust700.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:54] <MNSP> evening all :)
[21:54] <Laurenceb> so assembled falcon9 heavy?
[21:55] <Laurenceb> or official unveiling of one of their heavier designs
[21:55] <Laurenceb> with merlin2 engine
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps an order.
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> For something heavy.
[21:56] <Laurenceb> they ordered a lot of lead?
[21:56] <Laurenceb> maybe thats the answer
[21:56] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about proper space tourism.
[21:58] Action: MNSP wonders about improper space tourism
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> That too. :)
[22:06] <Shuffty> Excuse my permanent state of ignorance - but can somebody please tell me what a 2K2? resistor is... its the 2nd 2 thats throwing me - is it tolerance?
[22:07] <fsphil> fancy way of saying 2.2k :)
[22:07] <Shuffty> darn and blast - thanks fsphil!
[22:08] <Randomskk> equally 1M5 is 1.5 megaohms
[22:08] <Shuffty> I'll ask lots of lots of questions as shuffty - then when I know what I'm actually doing, I'll sign in with my real name, so as to not look so stupid!
[22:08] <Randomskk> :P
[22:08] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:09] Blackover (6d6f8a71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.111.138.113) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[22:10] <MNSP> Damn and I thought I'd do the name change too, but now my intention is revealed ;)
[22:10] Nick change: fsphil -> bjbnjr
[22:10] <bjbnjr> oh wait.. too late
[22:12] <MNSP> fair play to shufty for asking tho, I had to get a bloke at maplins to explain
[22:12] Nick change: bjbnjr -> fsphil
[22:13] <MNSP> I couldn't remember how to read resistor colour codes
[22:13] <MNSP> wb fsphil, lol
[22:13] <Randomskk> there's an easy mnemonic
[22:13] <fsphil> ;)
[22:13] <Randomskk> BBROYGBVGW
[22:14] <Randomskk> "bad" boys "race" our young girls but violet "generally" "wins"
[22:14] <fsphil> I remembered it long enough for the intermediate radio exam .. have now forgotten again :)
[22:14] <Randomskk> where substitution of the quoted words gives a much more explicit version that I find remembering somewhat easier
[22:15] <Randomskk> (also there are three Bs for black, blue, brown - you can however substitute that first 'bad' for 'black' to get a slightly more useful one)
[22:15] <Randomskk> (equally, violet is the same in both)
[22:16] <Randomskk> however the more explicit version constitutes a fairly major slight on the characters of both the bad or black boys and violet
[22:16] <MNSP> I can only imagine
[22:17] <Darkside> haha
[22:17] <Randomskk> nevertheless the more family safe one is still fairly easy to remember
[22:17] Action: MNSP is intrigued about generaaly wins now ;)
[22:18] <Shuffty> This project might take a while to put together, but I'll get there in the end. Currently trying to wire up the ntx2 to my arduino, so I can test it and attempt to understand it a little better.. :-S
[22:19] <MNSP> Shufty if you're not in a massive rush am just about to write that up
[22:20] <MNSP> as a little guide
[22:20] <Randomskk> MNSP: 'gives willingly'
[22:20] <MNSP> should only take half an hour to do, took me all of last weekend
[22:21] <MNSP> Randomskk thats not as bad as I imagined
[22:21] <Shuffty> I'm sure I'll mess it up and end up having to buy another anyway - so I'll have a go now and then read your guide and do it right next time! :-)
[22:21] <Randomskk> depends on what you substituted race for
[22:22] <MNSP> well I didnt have a c in there
[22:22] <Randomskk> indeed
[22:22] <MNSP> Go for it shuffty
[22:23] <MNSP> I'd better write that guide then ;)
[22:24] <MNSP> ntx2 & arduino seem resiliant, I managed to ground the wrong pin for over an hour and nothing broke
[22:24] <MNSP> generally doing that is a bad idea
[22:25] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:27] <MNSP> got mine working in the end though through much help from the chaps here and their websites
[22:28] <MNSP> mostly, mattltm, nigeys, mrcraig and fsphil
[22:36] <Shuffty> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes
[22:37] <Shuffty> Can somebody confirm that pin 10 in the notes should is actually pin 11 in the code?
[22:42] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54A06040.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude.
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:43] <MNSP> I believe it is a typo
[22:43] <MNSP> I did send off an email the other dat but as yet haven't heard back
[22:44] <MNSP> *day
[22:45] borism (~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) left irc: Quit: leaving
[22:45] <MNSP> night all :)
[22:45] MNSP (Mit@cpc1-lutn3-0-0-cust700.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving... Bye for now :)
[22:47] borism (~boris@ec2-46-137-24-58.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) joined #highaltitude.
[22:47] <Shuffty> Night MNSP!
[22:47] <Shuffty> Cheers for you help!
[22:51] grummund1 (~user@aa.dnsdojo.com) left irc: Changing host
[22:51] grummund1 (~user@unaffiliated/grummund) joined #highaltitude.
[22:51] Nick change: grummund1 -> grummund
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi Shuffty
[22:57] <Shuffty> Hey Launar
[22:57] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:57] <Shuffty> Lunar
[22:57] <Shuffty> :-S
[22:57] <Shuffty> :-)
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:06] <Shuffty> I've not aerial on my ft790r, so am having trouble testing this ntx2 - am I right in presuming that sat on the bench next to each other, the ft790r should be able to heat the ntx2?
[23:07] <Shuffty> hear... etc ...
[23:07] <Shuffty> :-)
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> the 790 came w/o aerial?
[23:08] <Shuffty> yeah - waiting on the yagi I bought the other day...
[23:08] borism_ (~boris@ec2-46-137-99-139.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) joined #highaltitude.
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:08] borism (~boris@ec2-46-137-24-58.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> normally it should be able to receive if they both stand next to each oter
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> *other
[23:09] <Shuffty> Hmmm
[23:13] <Shuffty> Not having any of it... Hmmmm
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> no reception?
[23:16] <NigeyS> hey Lunar :)
[23:16] <NigeyS> Shuffty, you should at a bare minimum get a carrier tone if you have power going to the ntx2
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[23:23] <Shuffty> Hmmm.. confirm my ntx2 should be tunes to 4.650.10???
[23:24] <Shuffty> ignore last should have ready ft790r should be tunes to 4.650.10
[23:24] <NigeyS> your ft790 should read 4.650.0
[23:25] <NigeyS> and set to either usb or lsb depending on if you got the hi / lo pins the right way round
[23:36] <Shuffty> ok, so I have something coming through - doesnt sound much like the other examples I've heard, but I presume that has something to do with the baud rate...
[23:41] <Shuffty> Ok, I think it's working... Just need to figure out how to pass it throughdl-fldigi now, so I can test its actually working!
[23:52] <Shuffty> Thanks for your help Lunar and NigeyS - much appreciated! :-)
[23:53] <NigeyS> no probs :)
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[00:00] --- Fri Apr 1 2011