highaltitude.log.20110327

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[00:06] <MrCraig> For my GPS to tell me I'm at -00047 meters is disconcerting even though I know my home is in a valley.
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[00:08] <MrCraig> wb fsphil
[00:08] <fsphil> ta MrCraig
[00:10] <NigeyS> argh its phil
[00:11] <MrCraig> I'm confused
[00:11] <MrCraig> apparently the altitude of my wall changed by 15 meters in the last couple of hours - and there's not a builder in sight.
[00:12] <NigeyS> lol
[00:12] <MrCraig> o.O
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[00:14] <MrCraig> It gets worse though I've found a point in the data where altitude goes from -00047,M to 00016,M almost instantly. Am I misreading this data?
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Probably not.
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Altitude can be rather noisy.
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> 50m delta in height would be - from some things I vaguely recall from graphs I did - under 1% of the time.
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> So it's not that uncommon
[00:17] <fsphil> yikes, it's after midnight and I can still hear someone on 20m
[00:17] <MrCraig> ok, then I feel much better about it.
[00:18] <MrCraig> thanks SpeedEvil
[00:18] <SpeedEvil> Especially the first few minutes of data can be noisy
[00:18] <SpeedEvil> as it decides to use/not use diferrent sats, and they drop out of the solution.
[00:19] <MrCraig> ok - then the removal of a few stray comma's in my output and the program is running as expected.
[00:19] <MrCraig> :-D
[00:21] <fsphil> victory!
[00:21] <MrCraig> huraaar! lol
[00:23] <MrCraig> I just hope the tracking software can cope with my hideously complex protocol string $$ARTEMIS-1,<time>,<long>,<lat>,<alt>*<checksum> [LF]
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[00:24] <fsphil> eek -- madness
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[00:35] <MrCraig> ok - so in dl-fldigi should it be extracting the time, lat, long, alt now that I have data? It's just picking up the checksum every few packets.
[00:35] <MrCraig> ack, and I think I may be uploading as test - eek sorry.
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> not showing
[00:38] <MrCraig> I just restarted to take test out
[00:39] <MrCraig> didn't intend on uploadnig ;-)
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[01:02] <MrCraig> jonsowman: still here and awake at 2am?
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[01:25] <MrCraig> ok - I'm going to bed to listen to the rtty in my sleep.
[01:25] <MrCraig> night all
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[02:33] <NigelMoby> MS
[02:33] <NigelMoby> Eh wtf
[02:34] <NigelMoby> Hey zuphster
[02:38] <Zuph> Hey NigelMoby
[02:39] <Zuph> How goes it?
[02:40] <NigelMoby> All good dude, u?
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[04:46] <rjharrison> hey juxta never managed to get the tracker working
[04:46] <rjharrison> do you want the code as is?
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[04:47] <rjharrison> ping juxta_
[04:47] <juxta_> hey rjharrison
[04:47] <rjharrison> hey juxta_ never managed to get the tracker working
[04:47] <rjharrison> do you want the code as is?
[04:47] <juxta_> oh, no worries, i can work the rest out
[04:47] <juxta_> yes please :)
[04:48] <rjharrison> Let me know what the fix is as data.php seems to work just fine
[04:48] <rjharrison> however it seems to end up waiting forever to get the data points
[04:48] <juxta_> alright, will have a play with it in the next few days
[04:48] <rjharrison> I don't think it's a permission thing
[04:48] <rjharrison> do you have the login details
[04:49] <juxta_> yeah I have logins for both space and your server
[04:49] <juxta_> if you tar it up and leave it there I'll grab it
[04:52] <rjharrison> you only need listen.php and any xml payload files you fancy
[04:53] <rjharrison> probably need to create a subdirectory called data
[04:53] <rjharrison> hopefully if natrium42 gets a few mins he can sort out the tracker waiting forever for data that is there
[04:54] <juxta_> alright, thanks
[04:55] <juxta_> I'm away at the moment but I will get onto it once I'm back in town
[04:55] <rjharrison> np
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[05:08] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: HF gps no lock condition still here too. #arhab. Really need to be using this time to improve sat code, wish ppl with rf experience wr here [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51873132721602561]
[05:19] <natrium42> :S
[05:20] <SamSilver> head down
[05:20] <SamSilver> grindstone
[05:20] <SamSilver> keep on keeping on
[05:20] <SamSilver> go natrium!
[05:21] <SamSilver> morning
[05:21] <natrium42> hi SamSilver
[05:21] <natrium42> it's evening here :P
[05:22] <SamSilver> well have a cuppa joe on me > anytime is coffee time
[05:22] <SamSilver> what you up to?
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[05:32] <SamSilver> I feel like a surfing one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Glory_cloud
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[08:31] <NigelMoby> I want my hour back
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[08:40] <SamSilver> cheers > later > bye
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[08:45] <eroomde> morning all
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[09:02] <MNSP> morning all :)
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[09:40] <x-f> nice to see some activity again on Whitestar's twitter and mailing lists.
[09:40] <m1x10> Hi all
[09:41] <x-f> hi, m1x10
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[09:48] <MrCraig> g'mornin
[09:52] <MrCraig> 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000100110101101111011100100110111001101001011011100110011100101110
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[09:53] <SpeedEvil> no
[09:53] <MrCraig> no SpeedEvil?
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[09:55] <MrCraig> What's happening with kc5nxd?
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[10:08] <MNSP> mornig all :)
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[10:17] <MrCraig> morning MNSP
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[10:56] <MrCraig> ok - I'm heading out in 10 mins, setting up a base station at a friends, then off out into the field - time to target (box hill again, and later leith hill. Payload is transmitting working gps strings now - if you've nothing better to do please point your antennas at me :)
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
[10:57] <MrCraig> Thanks SpeedEvil
[10:57] <MrCraig> I just wish the tracking server was setup to plot me :)
[10:57] <MrCraig> I didn't sort it with jc yet
[10:58] <MrCraig> sorry that was time to target about 40 mins
[10:59] <MrCraig> ok - be back when I'm on site - later :)
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[11:12] <MNSP> hello all :)
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[11:27] <fsphil> ello!
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[11:51] <fsphil> anyone got a browser that can play webm fancy testing something for me?
[11:53] <MNSP> sorry
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[11:56] <MNSP> actually, what do you mean fsphil?
[11:57] <fsphil> playing about with the <video> tag
[11:57] <MNSP> ah ok, and what needs doing?
[11:57] <fsphil> see if it plays :)
[11:57] <fsphil> not working here
[11:57] <MNSP> np can give it a go mate :)
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[12:22] <MrCraig> Hi all
[12:23] <MrCraig> I'm having a bit of a problem with dl-fldigi - it was working just fine but for some reason it's stopped picking up the altitude field. Seems that no matter what I do I can't get that data now (in config->DL Client->Payload)
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[12:24] <fsphil> is it being received ok?
[12:24] <MrCraig> yeah, I see the data in the string
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[12:25] <MrCraig> and it was at one point doing the parsing. I closed the app and reopened (to learn that it never saves the payload page of config) and when I put the field positions back in it picks up all but that last field.
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[12:27] <fsphil> hmms
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[12:27] <fsphil> field count right?
[12:29] <MrCraig> string is $$ARTEMIS-1,<packet count>,<time>,<long>,<lat>,<alt>*<checksum> [lf] example: $$ARTEMIS-1,0000303,12:28:01,5118.0935,-00019.6119,00043*72 I've set the field count to 6 (tried 7 also) and the field positions are 3,4,5,6 respectively.
[12:29] <MrCraig> and oops did I just give away my location <heheh>
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[12:33] <fsphil> silly internets
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[12:42] <MrCraig> well I'm not going to let the parsing issue get in the way of range tests. I'm going to finish my cup of tea and head off up the hill anyway
[12:56] <fsphil> nice day for it, if it's as sunny there as here atm
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[13:00] <MrCraig> it's sunny for sure
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[13:37] <MrCraig> back soon :)
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[14:16] <SamSilver> I have tracked down a suspect
[14:16] <SamSilver> the sandman is my number one suspect
[14:17] <SamSilver> The Theft of One Hour case is close to being solved!
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[14:35] <MrCraig> hey all - am tx'ing from the top of boxhill again - and discovered my payload has the ability to jam some car alarm remote fobs :-)
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[14:36] <fsphil> haha ,, the power!
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:37] <fsphil> hi hi Lunar
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[14:38] <MrCraig> lol that was funny
[14:39] <MrCraig> I had time to pop home and stick an extra comma in - but my listening station has gone out to buy a sandwitch *grumbles* so again if anyone has an antenna that's not too much trouble, please feel free to point it this way
[14:40] <MrCraig> and hi Lunar
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[14:45] <MrCraig> I think I'm going to need another yaesu
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[15:02] <MrCraig> We're getting data between box hill and leatherhead *does a little victory dance*
[15:03] <fsphil> woo!
[15:03] <fsphil> what distance roughly?
[15:03] <MrCraig> I'd guess at 20mile but very approx because I don't know the area well
[15:03] <MrCraig> I'll have to google it
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[15:05] <MrCraig> The payload has a better signal than my mobile phone apparently
[15:06] <MrCraig> I'll have listen station do an as the crow flys lookup on next update call
[15:07] <MrCraig> Amazingly, the signal came in using just the face mount telescopic whip (about 25 cm) for rx
[15:07] <MrCraig> now running comparitive tests on the antennae
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[15:11] <SamSilver> bugger!!
[15:12] <SamSilver> I need to redisign the perodic table
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[15:13] <SamSilver> change the size of He
[15:13] <MrCraig> sup sam?
[15:14] <SamSilver> just think if He was the size of a nitrogen atom / mol
[15:14] <SamSilver> it would not bleed through latex
[15:14] <SamSilver> leak
[15:15] <SamSilver> nitrogen is also a lifting gas, but with only 24g lift per 1 x cube meter
[15:16] <MrCraig> See if you can contact Walter Bishop - He found a bimetal compound lighter than air
[15:16] <SamSilver> nitrogen is good in that it is a large mol
[15:16] <MrCraig> (for anyone who watches sci fi that makes sense)
[15:17] <SamSilver> MrCraig > lol
[15:17] <SamSilver> I can't stand sci fi
[15:17] <SamSilver> too much fi
[15:18] <MrCraig> lol probably for that reason
[15:18] <SamSilver> lol
[15:18] <MrCraig> I love a little suspension of disbelief from time to time
[15:18] <MrCraig> Sometimes I even read genesis
[15:18] <SamSilver> 2 true
[15:19] <SamSilver> Ihave just bought a book called Spy Fi
[15:19] <SamSilver> phone in the shoe
[15:19] <SamSilver> lol
[15:20] <SamSilver> so MrCraig any ides on how to strip a few protons of a nitrogen atom ?
[15:21] <SamSilver> or make a He mol 136 times bigger?
[15:25] <SamSilver> 42 cubic meter of nitrogen will lift 1Kg
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[15:26] <MrCraig> Sorry sam, had to take a call and lost phone signal on the irc
[15:27] <SamSilver> no prob
[15:27] <SamSilver> I am daydreaming
[15:27] <MrCraig> seems my distance estimate was about 4 times actual lol I must have comoe the long way
[15:28] <SamSilver> Test test test and then Test
[15:29] <MrCraig> I've only been here 20 mins and I'm already anxious to get off this hill
[15:29] <MrCraig> Too many carbon units about
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[15:30] <MrCraig> hi mattltm
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[15:30] <MrCraig> bye mattltm
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[15:30] <SamSilver> mattltm can't seem to sit still
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[15:30] <MrCraig> wb mattltm
[15:31] <SamSilver> lash your self to the keyboard
[15:31] <mattltm_> Lol. Give me a moment. Xchat seems to like opening 2 chat windows!
[15:31] Nick change: mattltm_ -> mattltm
[15:31] <MrCraig> I used to hang about in second life and discovered that if you IM someone who has a weak broadband connection within about a second of them coming online it would boot them off again
[15:32] <mattltm> lol
[15:32] <mattltm> Not sure why it's doing that :P
[15:32] <mattltm> MrCraig: How goes the testing?
[15:33] <MrCraig> I'm up on the hill tx'ing now and listen station is rxing - about 4-5 miles I'm told
[15:33] <mattltm> Cool.
[15:33] <mattltm> Much better :)
[15:34] <MrCraig> doing antenna comparisons, it seems the mag whip is useless but the little telescopig face mount is great
[15:34] <MrCraig> eah :-) much happier than the awesome 20 meters range from yesterday
[15:34] <mattltm> Nice day to be testing :)
[15:35] <MrCraig> yup, except there's a few too many carbon units infesting box hill - they cast shadows on the radio
[15:36] <jonsowman> hi MrCraig
[15:36] <MrCraig> hi jonsowman
[15:37] <MrCraig> Hows things?
[15:37] <jonsowman> you pinged me at some point last night...? I was in bed by then sorry
[15:37] <jonsowman> yeah all fine thanks, you?
[15:37] <MrCraig> oh I was just looking to see if you were still awake at 2am
[15:37] <jonsowman> hehe ok
[15:37] <jonsowman> anything I can do for you?
[15:38] <MrCraig> I'm up in box hill tx'ing and listener in leatherhead is rxing on just a mini telescopic whip so I'm happy
[15:38] <jonsowman> oh nice
[15:38] <jonsowman> good stuff
[15:38] <MrCraig> Erm, you could setup a tracking prof for me? <grin> I was supposed to email jc with the string format but didn't yet
[15:38] <jonsowman> oh sure
[15:39] <jonsowman> got a couple of example telem strings?
[15:39] <MrCraig> awesome :-) erm, not with me because I'm irc from my mobile up here on the hill
[15:39] <mattltm> Thats no excuse!
[15:40] <jonsowman> i need those really
[15:40] <MrCraig> I can link you to a capture.wav though if that's not too upsetting?
[15:40] <jonsowman> yep sure
[15:40] <MrCraig> http://www.craigchapman.me.uk/craig/files/capture.zip
[15:40] <MrCraig> rtty-50 (not hab) 130hz shift 8-n-1
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[15:42] <MrCraig> dumb phone signal, did you get the link and settings posts jonsowman?
[15:42] <jonsowman> yes, thanks MrCraig
[15:42] <MrCraig> ty
[15:42] <jonsowman> decoding atm
[15:43] <MrCraig> :-) it's "$$ARTEMIS-1,<counter>,<time>,<long>,<lat>,<alt>*checksum" Although right now I'm sending an additional empty field due to a bug found in dl-fldigi
[15:43] <jonsowman> XOR checksum?
[15:44] <MrCraig> xor yes
[15:44] <jonsowman> whats nominal freq?
[15:44] <MrCraig> 434.648
[15:46] <MrCraig> lots of pretyy women up here on the hill too - *concentrate craig*
[15:46] <jonsowman> haha
[15:46] <jonsowman> is counter fixed length?
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[15:46] <MrCraig> yes, seven digits
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[15:46] <SamSilver> think "carbon unit" not hot
[15:46] <MrCraig> lol sam
[15:47] <jonsowman> MrCraig: altitude fixed length too?
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[15:48] <SamSilver> think checksum not get some
[15:49] <jonsowman> oh dear
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[15:55] <MrCraig> jonsowman: The altitude is fed direct from the trimble at whatever length that gives. I'd assume fixed length based on the zeros
[15:55] <jonsowman> okay
[15:57] <jonsowman> MrCraig: done :)
[15:57] <jonsowman> test it lots
[15:57] <jonsowman> can you upload now?
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[15:58] <fsphil> right, this router is going
[15:58] <jonsowman> fsphil: hehe, which is it?
[15:58] <fsphil> wrt54gl -- it's rebooting about three or four times per day
[15:58] <jonsowman> hmm, mine has been perfect
[15:58] <jonsowman> what firmware are you running?
[15:58] <fsphil> openwrt
[15:58] <jonsowman> hmm, odd
[15:59] <jonsowman> maybe it's a hardware issue
[15:59] <fsphil> I suspect so, I've another one sitting here working fine
[15:59] <fsphil> they're both doing different jobs though
[16:00] <fsphil> it's not fast enough for the FTTC stuff anyway, tops out at about 25mb where the lines is actually 35mb
[16:00] <jonsowman> mm, I've been looking at replacing mine but I've not found anything as good really
[16:00] <MrCraig> sorry, just took a call from listener - so I need to instruct him on how to upload data - is it just a matter of restarting the software and selecting a flight from the drop down list?
[16:00] <fsphil> same here jonsowman, none are as well supported
[16:01] <jonsowman> MrCraig: just choose artemis-1 from the dropdown and hit autoconfigure
[16:01] <jonsowman> make sure you run dl-fldigi in hab mode :)
[16:01] <jonsowman> it will automatically upload etc.
[16:01] <MrCraig> great, will call him and give it a go
[16:01] <SamSilver> afk
[16:01] <fsphil> there's an ARTEMIS-1 listening station on the map ... in the atlantic ocean
[16:02] <jonsowman> haha so there is
[16:03] <fsphil> ooh, MM0MOB is in a nice location
[16:06] <fsphil> data's being uploaded but not plotted: ARTEMIS-1 : ARTEMIS-1,0000280,16:03:49,5114.9696,-00018.8169,00184,*54
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Attach a 4700uV 16V cap on the end of the PSU
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: At least on mine, the cap had bulged lots.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> It now has a large cap duct-taped to it, and works just fine.
[16:09] <fsphil> inside the psu?
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> outside.
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[16:13] <jonsowman> fsphil: is that from view.php?
[16:13] <fsphil> jonsowman, yep
[16:13] <MrCraig> hello MrClive
[16:14] <mrclive> hello mrcraig
[16:14] <jonsowman> oh sorry
[16:14] <jonsowman> hang on
[16:14] <MrCraig> jonsowman: MrClive is listener - we're unable to upload
[16:14] <jonsowman> MrCraig: hold on 2 seconds
[16:14] <MrCraig> the string is extracted but not sent
[16:14] <MrCraig> kk thanks
[16:16] <jonsowman> MrCraig: try that
[16:16] <MrCraig> hit autoconf again?
[16:16] <jonsowman> yup
[16:16] <mrclive> i can see it on tracker - woopee
[16:16] <MrCraig> :-) Woot
[16:16] <MrCraig> thank you jonsowman :-)
[16:17] <fsphil> hehe, zig-zag road
[16:17] <MrCraig> I may try tx'ing while I drive down zig-zag road - but I doubt reception from inside the car
[16:18] <mrclive> your on the other side from yesterday behind the nt building - dont pick your nose!
[16:18] <jonsowman> nothing on tracker yet
[16:18] <MrCraig> nothing?
[16:18] <fsphil> there was, it's gone now though :)
[16:18] <mrclive> it appeared automatically on mine - didnt do anything
[16:18] <jonsowman> that was one i manually posted to test
[16:19] <MrCraig> ahh
[16:19] <fsphil> mrclive, is the top bar green?
[16:19] <MrCraig> clive did you hit auto-configure again?
[16:19] <MrCraig> seems my woot was premature
[16:19] <jonsowman> only had one string uploaded since then, but it failed checksum
[16:20] <mrclive> no, the s/n has dropped to -8db and it was -3db
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[16:23] <mrclive> mrcraig is moving to top of the hill
[16:23] <jonsowman> righto mrclive
[16:24] <jonsowman> mrclive and MrCraig: raw uploaded data here: http://robertharrison.org/listen/view.php?reg=/ARTEMIS/
[16:25] <mrclive> how far are u from box hill jon?
[16:25] <jonsowman> I live in Ashtead, but I'm in Southampton at the moment
[16:26] <mrclive> mrcraig is changing batteries
[16:27] <mrclive> s/n is back to -3db
[16:27] <fsphil> who's 2E0PGW? they are just within range
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> The range neglects altitude.
[16:32] <fsphil> the terrain between doesn't look that good :)
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> I was going to make a nice distance calculator that worked off a terrain model.
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> But I discovered a fundamental problem.
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> I couldn't be arsed.
[16:32] <fsphil> that is pretty fundamental
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> In principle it's not _that_ bad a problem.
[16:33] <SamSilver> to far from brain to bum?
[16:33] <SamSilver> 1.36m ruins good distance program!!
[16:34] <fsphil> food time :)
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> You download the SRTM tiles for the UK. You then compute along n radial lines (say 100 or whatever), for each SRTM pixel it crosses, if it is in the fresnel zone, and how much it would attenuate the signal by.
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> You draw then several dots - say -100dB, -120dB, ...
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> And you end up with several polygons for reception from the transmitter.
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[16:36] <SpeedEvil> So the first ring might be for 'handheld', the last '12 element yagi connected to a cryogenic preamp'
[16:38] <SamSilver> I had high hopes, not even worth watching: http://wn.com/morse_code_digital_mode_for_interplanetary_communication
[16:39] <SamSilver> so whats wromg with a 13 element yagi?
[16:39] <SamSilver> wrong
[16:41] <jonsowman> bbl
[16:44] <SamSilver> http://blog.g4ilo.com/2010/02/are-there-too-many-digital-modes.html
[16:44] <SamSilver> if it works it works
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[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi SamSilver
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[16:47] <SamSilver> Hi Lunar_Lander
[16:47] <SamSilver> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-46XYH6W-7&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F28%2F1994&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1695193472&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=33ea7fcc7557b7ab26ceca99bb8678f6&searchtype=a
[16:48] <SamSilver> Lunar it seems some folk have lost an hour
[16:48] <SamSilver> Have you seen it?
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> you mean that we have summer time?
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[16:49] <SamSilver> yip
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:50] <SamSilver> there was some moaning
[16:50] <SamSilver> I am all over the SandMans ass
[16:50] <SamSilver> I think he stole the hour!
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[16:53] <SamSilver> afk
[16:54] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Once again, to the balloon. Another long day of troubleshooting begins. White Star will fly. #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/52050901900333056]
[16:57] <SamSilver> WHEN?
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[16:58] <SamSilver> laurence_ http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/52050901900333056
[16:59] Nick change: laurence_ -> Laurenceb__
[16:59] <SamSilver> WhiteStar has pushed up the sales of coffee!
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[17:09] <fsphil> I stole you're missing hour! muhgahaha ... and I'll only give it back to you in 6 months time...
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369525/Artificial-clouds-cool-Qatar-2022-World-Cup.html
[17:13] <SamSilver> best result will be damp socks in B&B near the coast
[17:14] <mrclive> looks like there may be a lose on my power line
[17:14] Nick change: mrclive -> MrCraig
[17:14] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Word from night crew Tim- backup sat modem got sat sync on flight antenna. Not good- means likely RFI or damaged sat modem receiver #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/52055865540362240]
[17:16] <SamSilver> my wedding was not this exciting!!
[17:16] <MrCraig> lol what are you watching sam?
[17:19] <mattltm> Cool. Just ordered the parts to get started on building the antenna tracking unit
[17:19] <MrCraig> finally a clean read - but I'm sat next to the radio
[17:20] <SamSilver> whiteStar
[17:20] <SamSilver> Mr Craig
[17:21] <MrCraig> I've only been catching the occasional update, been a little self absorbed since friday
[17:21] <fsphil> mattltm, you ever get anywhere with that active antenna?
[17:22] <mattltm> Yup. finished winding the toroid last night. Just need to pop it in a box and test :)
[17:22] <fsphil> sweet
[17:23] <mattltm> Should be finished in Wednesday so I'll post the test results to my blog :)
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[17:23] <fsphil> will keep an eye out for that
[17:23] <fsphil> I was reading about VLF antennas during the week
[17:23] <fsphil> they're basically the same kind of thing -- loop antenna with pre-amplifier
[17:23] <mattltm> VLF. Nice :)
[17:24] <SamSilver> see you all @ launch > g'night!
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[17:24] <fsphil> VLF is pretty neat
[17:24] <fsphil> with my HF antenna wired into a sound card, I've been able to hear a few weak whistlers
[17:25] <mattltm> very cool.
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[17:46] <MNSP> hello all :)
[17:46] <mattltm> Hi :)
[17:46] <MNSP> hey matt
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[17:47] <fsphil> ello
[17:48] <jonsowman> hi
[17:48] <MNSP> guys.. bit of help.. http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes diagram refers to pins 8, 9, 10 but code refers to to pin 11?
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi jonsowman
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[17:49] <mattltm> I think it's a typo
[17:50] <Zuph> Happy Sunday, High Altitude.
[17:50] Action: Zuph is finally caught up on sleep.
[17:50] <jonsowman> hi Lunar_Lander
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[17:50] <MNSP> am assumin I need to swap 11 and 10
[17:52] <mattltm> I would guess that the diagram should show pin 11 and not pin 10
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[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[17:56] <Upu> evening
[17:59] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Dueling antennas... And backup sat modem. Scienc! - an experiment control! #arhab #wssb1 http://t.co/EE7tymo [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/52067151921692672]
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[18:02] <MNSP> Ok so heads up for UKHAS editor sorts... that should prob get updated :)
[18:04] <mattltm> Right. Got to go. See you later :)
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[18:06] <MNSP> WooHoo got rtty working off ntx2 :) :) :)
[18:07] <MNSP> I know its no big deal but I been struggling with that all weekend
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[18:10] <Zuph> Sounds like Dan's getting into radio trouble :-p
[18:11] <jonsowman> MNSP: good stuff
[18:15] <MNSP> as you were gentleman
[18:15] <MNSP> I'll see you later :)
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[18:17] <griffonbot> @steamfire: Found good multi-serial port terminal app for OSX - CoolTerm http://bit.ly/18tYti 5 FTDI cables on @LVL1WhiteStar! @rogermeier #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/52071740066627584]
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[18:22] <chembrow> evening
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[18:23] <jonsowman> evening chembrow
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[19:05] <NigeyS> ello jon
[19:08] <jgrahamc> evening
[19:08] <jgrahamc> got your hour back yet?
[19:09] <chembrow> stupid daylight savings
[19:09] <chembrow> it was just starting to get light when I get up for work :(
[19:09] <NigeyS> nope, i want it back!!
[19:14] <chembrow> rebuilt my payload container yesterday from 25mm polystyrene instead of 50mm insulation.
[19:15] <chembrow> now weighs about 100g, much better than 600g
[19:15] <chembrow> :)
[19:15] <NigeyS> oh nice one, bet that saved a fair bit of weight
[19:15] <NigeyS> :o
[19:15] <jgrahamc> That's a huge saving!
[19:15] <chembrow> yup. it felt wrong that the container weighed more than the contents :)
[19:17] <chembrow> think I'm nearly ready to go.just need to get a chute and balloon
[19:17] <chembrow> and source some helium
[19:18] <NigeyS> what balloon are you launching? 1200g ?
[19:19] <chembrow> probably.
[19:19] <chembrow> not really thought too much about that bit yet
[19:20] <chembrow> also trying to decide whether to head down to cambridge for the launch, or to just do it from nearer home
[19:21] <NigeyS> i'm going to do my first launch from cambridge, i think the help from the experienced guys will be good for me before attempting one on my own
[19:21] <chembrow> that was my thought too
[19:22] <NigeyS> be a shame to have a bad launch for a schoolboy error that i would no doubt commit..lol
[19:22] <chembrow> plus there seem to be a lot more trackers in that general area
[19:23] <NigeyS> yeah, definately
[19:24] <chembrow> probably be aiming for mid May now. was thinking May day weekend, but I've now got decorating duties instead
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[19:25] <NigeyS> i was aiming for april but that's probably not going to happen either, to much other stuff going on :(
[19:27] <chembrow> also trying to decide whether to get a yeasu ft-790r to go with my aor ar8000, or to save my money for something different when I do look at my radio license
[19:28] <NigeyS> i've got a 790 here, old kit but seems really good
[19:29] <jgrahamc> I also have a 790. Nothing wrong with old. Very robust.
[19:30] <NigeyS> yup id agree, 1 of those cases for old is better imo
[19:30] <chembrow> yeah. the aor works ok, not quite as sensitive but does the job. but getting a 790 just for this when I already have something that does SSB seems a bit of a waste if I want to play with 2m instead of 70cm
[19:31] <NigeyS> thats a fair point
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[19:32] <chembrow> seems there's plenty of dual band rigs, but the ones that also do SSB are v. pricey
[19:32] <NigeyS> hehe that i did notice
[19:32] <NigeyS> the price of an 817 even second hand shocked me
[19:32] <chembrow> yeah. not a purchase that I can easily sneak past the missus
[19:33] <jgrahamc> Agreed. I think the problem is most people go UHF == FM and don't use the other modes much.
[19:33] <jgrahamc> chembrow: understood. I'm trying to work out how to afford a decent HF radio.
[19:34] <chembrow> jgrahamc that's what I'm seeing too
[19:34] <fsphil> you might be cheaper getting a second hand pre-amp for the scanner
[19:36] <chembrow> fsphil I've got nothing for transmitting tho, hence trying to decide on a rig
[19:37] <fsphil> ahh
[19:37] <chembrow> more interested in digital than voice. don't know how much that affects things
[19:37] <fsphil> pretty much requires an SSB radio then
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[19:38] <chembrow> but what band to look at?
[19:38] <NigeyS> evening jcoxon
[19:38] <jcoxon> evening
[19:38] <MrCraig> evening jcoxon
[19:38] <fsphil> any of the HF bands likely -- there isn't too much digital mode activity on vhf or uhf
[19:38] <NigeyS> fsphil, did you steal my hour? :(
[19:39] <chembrow> fsphil thx. I need to get a license first tho :)
[19:39] Nick change: kd0mto -> DagoRed
[19:39] <fsphil> I did NigeyS, and I'll only give it back in 6 months. muhaha
[19:39] <NigeyS> haha meanie!
[19:40] <NigeyS> jcoxon, you all caught up on your sleep now?
[19:40] <jgrahamc> evening jcoxon. fsphil
[19:42] <jcoxon> NigeyS, yes thanks
[19:42] <jcoxon> evening jgrahamc
[19:43] <NigeyS> :D
[19:44] <chembrow> anyway, gotta have some family time. night all
[19:44] <NigeyS> nn chembrow
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[19:44] <jcoxon> fsphil, 300 downloads
[19:45] <fsphil> nice. there was an HF flight in the US yesterday, and the coverage was excellent
[19:45] <jcoxon> yeah i saw
[19:45] <jcoxon> not worried about recruiting listeners any longer
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[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:48] <MrCraig> hello
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[19:54] <fsphil> bonjour
[19:54] <mattltm> Hola :)
[19:54] <MrCraig> bonjour, cava?
[19:55] <mattltm> alguien ha visto mi cabra?
[19:55] <MrCraig> I can't spell in spanish because I learned what I know of it from an audio cd and could never spell in english
[19:55] <MrCraig> hola, como esta
[19:56] <mattltm> muy bien.
[19:57] <mattltm> But I am about to go to bed :0
[19:57] <MrCraig> no comprar usted cabra porque es muy caro
[19:57] <fsphil> I wish I could do human languages like I do computer ones :)
[19:57] <MrCraig> idk
[19:58] <MrCraig> hehe me too fsphil
[19:58] <mattltm> lol@ MrCraig
[19:58] <MrCraig> but then, you'd expect the human processors to behave and do as you ask like computers.
[19:58] <fsphil> yep . .and so far no computer language has a concept of gender
[20:00] <mattltm> MrCraig,: quantas por um pouco tempo loco con la cabra?
[20:00] <MrCraig> sad tail, went to the trouble of learning some spanish (first two cd's of a course anyway) for the sake of a chilean girlfriend who had hidden from me for 8 months that she was in fact still married but separated - and then to tell me in the same breath she was giving the marriage another go under pressure from her parents. They divorced less than a year later.
[20:00] <jgrahamc> Pointer dereferencing is the closest computer languages have to sex
[20:00] <MrCraig> mattltm - I read: how much time crazy goat
[20:01] <mattltm> How much for a little crazy time with the goat.
[20:01] <mattltm> That one got me into trouble in Cuba!
[20:02] <MrCraig> especially in pascal jgrahamc
[20:02] <MrCraig> LOL mattltm
[20:02] <mattltm> Right, see you all later :0
[20:02] <fsphil> later mattltm!
[20:02] <MrCraig> good night
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[20:16] <MrCraig> is it possible to clear the tracking data on that tracking server?
[20:20] <jonsowman> MrCraig: sure
[20:20] <jonsowman> done
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[20:31] <MrCraig> thankyou jonsowman - just I'm blogging and don't think my friends house should be shown :)
[20:33] <jonsowman> no problem
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[21:11] <jgrahamc> Night folks
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[21:21] <MrCraig> Ray Comfort is on the Atheist Experience in 10 mins for anyone interested.
[21:22] <fsphil> what's that?
[21:24] <MrCraig> it's an atheist hosted call in talk show (google it, they've a ustream) - and ray comfort is a creationist - and one of the people that is so crazy he typically gives creationists a bad name.
[21:25] <fsphil> ah
[21:26] <MrCraig> it's a lamb to the slaughter show tonight I'm sure - which I actually don't like, I much prefer when there's a suitably intelligent guest and the debate gets going - but I'll suffer some laughter at ray's expense.
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[21:38] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Found the sat problem! Works with 5/8ths mag mount whip, so it's just an antenna prob. Vid of the setup http://t.co/3ro7l0P #arhab #wssb1 [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/52122442574999552]
[21:42] <fsphil> woohoo!
[21:43] <NigeyS> yey!
[21:44] <NigeyS> that video work for you phil ?
[21:44] <Laurenceb__> what is it with militant atheists
[21:44] <Laurenceb__> they are just as annoying as creationists
[21:44] <NigeyS> hehe not a fan of dawkins then ?
[21:46] <fsphil> NigeyS, comes up as private only
[21:46] <NigeyS> yup :(
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[22:03] <MrCraig> I agree Laurenceb_
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[22:24] <MNSP> evening all :)
[22:25] <MrCraig> evening mnsp
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> predictor doesn't find wind data
[22:39] <fsphil> working for here, must have been bad data
[22:40] <fsphil> meh, weather still hasn't improved :)
[22:41] <fsphil> pooh: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=45ab9bf87b702f9090727f90d4f5dd3fc2b6feb0
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[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> too short
[22:44] <fsphil> I bet nobody lives on that island anyway
[22:44] <fsphil> well, not many
[22:44] <MNSP> did you get video working?
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[22:45] <fsphil> oh yea - turned out the webm file wasn't actually webm
[22:47] <fsphil> oooh there are actually 3,457 people living on Islay
[22:48] <MrCraig> Gotta say goodnight all. Appreciate the helps and supports you have all given this weekend and in the weeks gone bye. *waves*
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> night MrCraig
[22:49] <MNSP> lol, fsphil, that would explain it
[22:49] <MNSP> but chrome played it anyway
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[22:49] <fsphil> yea, but not chromium on linux
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[22:58] <fsphil> as long as it's the right length and has a good ground plane, it will radiate equally well :)
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[23:00] <MNSP> well I guess now I got tx working I need a gps and then actually start putting it all together
[23:02] <MNSP> apart from near airports, london and military zones are there any restriction to launching?
[23:03] <fsphil> from what I gather it's pretty unusual for the caa to say no
[23:04] <fsphil> just beware of trees and power lines :)
[23:04] <MNSP> cool
[23:04] <MNSP> lol yeah
[23:04] <MNSP> there a place near luton where they fly gliders... but not always, will need to look into that
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[23:05] <SAIDias> New iHAB Comm Trailer http://t.co/M9vQ8Mt
[23:06] <SAIDias> Comm Trailer construction http://t.co/Hovgo9v
[23:06] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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[23:14] <MNSP> night all :)
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