highaltitude.log.20110326

[00:08] <MNSP> hello all :)
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[01:37] <Zuph> Good evening, #ha
[01:40] <Zuph> Everyone go to bed early after last night? :-p Good choice.
[01:41] <NigeyS> hehe hey zuph!
[01:43] <Zuph> evening NigeyS
[01:43] <NigeyS> what time you guys get from spaceport ?
[01:44] <stilldavid> https://twitter.com/#!/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51433068367577088
[01:44] <stilldavid> not a cheap problem to solve :)
[01:44] <Zuph> 0630z, roughly
[01:44] <NigeyS> blimey
[01:44] <NigeyS> hey david!
[01:44] <Zuph> hey stilldavid, long time no see
[01:44] <stilldavid> hey there NigeyS
[01:45] <stilldavid> been insanely busy at work
[01:45] <NigeyS> ouch, ive been insanely busy...sleeping..lol
[01:45] <stilldavid> but I'm planning on launching a latex balloon a week from tomorrow!
[01:45] <Zuph> Sweet!
[01:45] <NigeyS> yey!
[01:45] <stilldavid> Zuph, I've been laying low, but following closely, believe me :)
[01:46] <NigeyS> btw Zuph my first MC shift was a nice b'day present, thankoo :P :D
[01:46] <Zuph> NigeyS: Glad to hear! Hope the rest of the b'day was just as good :)
[01:46] <Zuph> stilldavid: Sparkfun? Work? feh!
[01:46] <NigeyS> dunno, slept till 6pm lol!
[01:46] <Zuph> hah
[01:46] <stilldavid> if only that were the case...
[01:47] <stilldavid> on the plus side, we're shipping UPS next week, will have an API within the next month or so, and have a lot of our internal tools rewritten!
[01:48] <stilldavid> of course that's hardly, y'know, sending a balloon to Africa :)
[01:48] <Zuph> hah
[01:48] <Zuph> That's definitely something!
[01:48] <Zuph> How big is your web team?
[01:49] <stilldavid> those are just my project :P
[01:49] <Zuph> holy crap!
[01:49] <stilldavid> but we've got ... 7? people working on stuff.
[01:49] <NigeyS> that sounds fun!
[01:49] <stilldavid> depending on who you ask.
[01:50] <Zuph> stilldavid, that is voodoo magic to me. You must be a wizard or something. I've been the de facto leader of all the white star web stuff, and you've seen how well that has gone :-p
[01:50] <stilldavid> a couple of those guys do ops work most of the time
[01:50] <stilldavid> Zuph, I've seen a couple of the "calls for help" but just haven't had time to jump in
[01:50] <Zuph> Oh, no worries.
[01:50] <stilldavid> but the site and everything looks really clean, that said :)
[01:51] <Zuph> Our homebrew tracking page only worked in google chrome. And only kinda. It killed FF in about 5 minutes, and hardlocked IE. It was a work of art :-p
[01:51] <Zuph> So we stole spacenear.us
[01:51] <NigeyS> lol that was ... certainly different!
[01:51] <stilldavid> well, why reinvent the wheel?
[01:52] <NigeyS> Zuph, i hope you and dan plan a nice weekend off ?
[01:52] <stilldavid> I'll be happy if I have an APRS tracker on board next week, let alone telling the entire world about it! you're really doing something amazing, hope you know
[01:52] <Zuph> Heh, Dan can't be kept away. He's at the space right now.
[01:53] <NigeyS> grr demand him to take a rest! lol
[01:53] <Zuph> I took today off, mostly because my girlfriend's car decide that last night would be a great time to puke the contents of its transmission all over the road.
[01:53] <Zuph> I try and I try.
[01:53] <NigeyS> oh god, not fun :(
[01:53] <stilldavid> when's the next attempt, any idea? or is it still mostly weather-dependent?
[01:54] <Zuph> *mostly* weather dependent. At least after Monday.
[01:55] <NigeyS> dare we ask what the possible cause was ?
[01:58] <Zuph> There were lots of problems :-p
[01:58] <Zuph> First of all, our sat coverage prediction program didn't work.
[01:58] <Zuph> We wouldn't have launched if we had known sat coverage was so bad.
[01:59] <Zuph> Then, we filled up our uplink queue with crap while the network thought we were over the atlantic (Probably not a big deal)
[02:00] <Zuph> It turned out that some smart guy inserted a battery *backwards* in our ground support board, and it ruptured on the drive up
[02:02] <NigeyS> so a few probs added up eh :(
[02:02] <Zuph> So we had to kill power to our balloon on the drive up. Not a *huge* deal, but the balloon was never designed to be turned off for more than 5 minutes between ground and flight power
[02:03] <Zuph> So when we turned it back on, our RTC had reset into the past, and the schedule queue thought that it was *way* behind on everything. Including ballasting and cutting down the balloon, so our cutdown went off.
[02:03] <Zuph> By the time we fixed all these problems (fucking stellar work by the team, btw)
[02:03] <NigeyS> i heard that call come over, you had to restring the cutdown
[02:03] <Zuph> we had good sat coverage
[02:03] <Zuph> But we weren't getting any messages in or out..
[02:04] <NigeyS> towards the scrub the sat coverage was brill!
[02:04] <Zuph> So we had to scrub, with our NOTAM expiring and our range weather getting worse.
[02:04] <Zuph> and our jetstream breaking up.
[02:05] <Zuph> Don't know why the sat modem was mute.
[02:05] <Zuph> Looking at that right now.
[02:05] <Zuph> Suspect an antenna issue from poor construction or unintentional abuse.
[02:06] <NigeyS> yeah that was odd, especially with the amount of sats over you towards scrub, something shouldve got through
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[02:06] <NigeyS> i suppose in a weird way it was a good experience for the next launch attempt
[02:07] <NigeyS> knowing what did and didnt work etc
[02:08] <Zuph> absolutely
[02:08] <Zuph> Props to absolutely everyone on the team for brilliant work under pressure.
[02:08] <NigeyS> oh aye, i didnt do much myself, but the guys at whitestar and spaceport worked their asses off fair play to them
[02:09] <Zuph> haha, you did your fair share
[02:09] <NigeyS> and the amount of trackers on the map ready to track you.. never ever seen spacenear so busy!
[02:10] <Zuph> Hopefully we can keep their interest!
[02:10] <Zuph> Had 96 on the ustream at one point
[02:11] <NigeyS> oh aye, you know those hams, they'll be back :D
[02:11] <Zuph> There are 6 in the ustream still, and 11 in the mibbit chat :-p
[02:11] <NigeyS> oh it went past 100 dude
[02:11] <Zuph> sweet
[02:11] <NigeyS> i gotta be honest, for a free service the video stream was really well behaved, i was surprised
[02:13] <stilldavid> it served tens of thousands during the last shuttle launch
[02:13] <stilldavid> I saw 40k+ at one point
[02:13] <NigeyS> bloody eck
[02:13] <Zuph> I'm sure NASA had a chat with ustream for that one :-p
[02:14] <stilldavid> hehe, yeah
[02:14] <stilldavid> was funny, though, as soon as it was one minute in, it was down to 30k
[02:14] <NigeyS> i def need a 3rd monitor for the next launch mind, 2 just wasnt enough!
[02:14] <stilldavid> the booster separation is the best part, and nobody stuck around to see it!
[02:14] <NigeyS> booster sep is sweet, and the ET views
[02:17] <Zuph> hah
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[03:47] <DagoRed> So has anyone heard about the carbon fiber clouds at all in Qatar
[03:47] <DagoRed> ?
[03:57] <spacefelix> Carbon fiber clouds?
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[10:06] <MNSP> hello all :)
[10:06] <mattltm> Hi :)
[10:06] <MNSP> morning mattltm
[10:07] <mattltm> How's you?
[10:10] <MNSP> good, got my ntx2 through the post - am well happy
[10:10] <MNSP> you?
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[10:18] <mattltm> Cool.
[10:18] <mattltm> You building today?
[10:20] <MNSP> I think I will certainly be tinkering yes.
[10:20] <MNSP> I've got most of the component parts I want to use
[10:20] <mattltm> Great :)
[10:20] <MNSP> So I need to start putting things together n testing
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[10:20] <mattltm> What freq NTX did you get?
[10:21] <MNSP> 434.075
[10:21] <mattltm> Good stuff. Have you built a payload before?
[10:22] <MNSP> I'm just scanning through MrCraigs site to look for 'gotchyas'
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[10:22] <MNSP> no, am a HAB no0bie
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[10:22] <mattltm> Me too. The NTX2 was a pain to get right :)
[10:23] <MNSP> am using arduino
[10:23] <MNSP> I got a cheap tx module off ebay and have that kinda working
[10:24] <mattltm> Same here. Im not building a payload but I had to build one to test my project..
[10:24] <mattltm> http://www.mattltm.co.uk/tag/habat/
[10:24] <MNSP> 1 sec
[10:26] <earthshine> morning
[10:26] <earthshine> any launches this weekend in the UK ?
[10:27] <MNSP> morning earthshine
[10:28] <fsphil> woo, the suns out
[10:28] <MNSP> mattltm, impressive!!!
[10:31] <mattltm> Hi fsphil
[10:31] <mattltm> MNSP. follow the posts and that should get you a working NTX2 on the Arduino
[10:32] <mattltm> Hi earthshine.
[10:32] <earthshine> hiall
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[10:33] <fsphil> no launches this weekend I think
[10:34] <MNSP> thanks mattltm, will do
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[10:34] <mattltm> Perfect weekend for radio then fsphil :)
[10:35] <fsphil> ooh
[10:35] <fsphil> definitely
[10:35] <fsphil> I had a go at finding the source of noise yesterday - turned all the power in the house off, but it was still there
[10:36] <mattltm> :(
[10:36] <fsphil> amazing how many carriers my ethernet cable is generating though
[10:36] <mattltm> interesting.
[10:38] <mattltm> Getting annoyed with my PC now.
[10:38] <fsphil> not behaving itself?
[10:39] <mattltm> system hard disk died yesterday.
[10:39] <MNSP> ouch
[10:39] <mattltm> Lucky I store my data on a raid array
[10:39] <mattltm> So thought I would run with Ubuntu this time.
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[10:40] <fsphil> there is a balloon launch in the states today, transmitting on 20m
[10:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:40] <Lunar_Lander> wow it has been a long time that I have been here before noon
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[10:41] <fsphil> Ubuntu .. It's alright, but I wouldn't want to use it full time
[10:41] <fsphil> good morning Lunar_Lander :)
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> morning :)
[10:42] <fsphil> I'm off to get breakfast
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> ya
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[10:42] <mattltm> fsphil. I run it on most of my 100+ servers.
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> breakfast is the best meal of the day
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[10:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi mattltm
[10:43] <mattltm> Hi Lunar
[10:45] <Lunar_Lander> how's life today?
[10:45] <mattltm> Still have a dead pc :(
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander> oh :(
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander> but we will have spaghetti soon :)
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander> I think that is good news
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[10:54] <mattltm> Humm... Should I get an SSD drive for my desktop?
[10:54] <mattltm> Im tempted.
[11:10] <fsphil> I gots one, they're great ;-)
[11:11] <fsphil> a bit on the small side maybe, but silly fast
[11:13] <mattltm> I think a 64Gb one would be big enough for the OS
[11:13] <mattltm> What OS do you run fsphil?
[11:14] <fsphil> fedora
[11:15] <fsphil> I got one of the early ssds, about 60gb -- the newer ones are faster still
[11:16] <mattltm> What do you think to this one... http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/kingston-ssdnow-v-series-internal-2-5-sata2-ssd-desktop-pack-64gb-07656639-pdt.html
[11:17] <mattltm> 200MB/s read speed
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[11:21] <fsphil> that looks pretty good
[11:22] <fsphil> a bit faster than this one, and a bit bigger
[11:23] <fsphil> how much is it? the pc world website isn't liking me
[11:25] <fsphil> --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
[11:26] <mattltm> £102
[11:28] <fsphil> Intel drives seem to be the fastest, but a tad more expensive
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[11:36] <Laurenceb> whats the deal with primary, extended and logical partitions?
[11:36] <Laurenceb> im try to format a drive with a fat32 and ext4 partition
[11:36] <LazyLeopard> Primary: There can be only 4.
[11:36] <Laurenceb> two primary? or a primary and an extended
[11:37] <Laurenceb> ill have two primary then
[11:37] <LazyLeopard> Extended: One of the (up to) 4 can be an Extended one.
[11:37] <Laurenceb> ah
[11:37] <Laurenceb> and the logical live inside it?
[11:37] <LazyLeopard> Logical: Can be used to subdivide the Extended one into smaller chunks.
[11:37] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[11:37] <Laurenceb> ok, my second partition may as well be extended then
[11:38] <LazyLeopard> I usually have 1-3 as Primary, 4 as Extended, and 5-15 as logicals within it.
[11:38] <Laurenceb> hmf.. now Gparted wont allow me to set the filesystem
[11:38] <Laurenceb> filesystem: extended
[11:38] <LazyLeopard> Depends how many bits you want your disk in, really.
[11:39] <LazyLeopard> I think the extended HAS to be divided into logical partitions.
[11:39] <Laurenceb> oh
[11:39] <Laurenceb> ok fair enough
[11:42] <Laurenceb> formatting is slowww
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[11:42] <Laurenceb> also my 500GB drive is actually 467GB :(
[11:45] <LazyLeopard> Ah yes. The 1000 isn't 1024 thing.
[11:46] <LazyLeopard> Drives always get reported in round thousands, not 1024s.
[11:47] Action: Laurenceb gets calculator
[11:47] <Laurenceb> ah this makes sense now
[11:48] <Laurenceb> (1.024^3)*466=500
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[11:52] <Laurenceb> why is 2% of my drive used? filesystem overhead?
[11:53] <LazyLeopard> In the individual file systems, yes.
[11:55] <Laurenceb> partition lable is the name right?
[11:55] <Laurenceb> atm its mounting at FE4EFD etc
[11:55] <Laurenceb> *as
[11:56] <LazyLeopard> Pass. I always partition drives unde Linux, and it defines drives by where they are.
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[11:58] <Laurenceb> ok yeah its the monunt point
[11:59] <Laurenceb> /media/*label name*
[12:00] <AndroUser> hi all - just testing my mobile jrc. Range testing in about an hour and a half so if anyone is around to try receiving I'd appreciate the attempt
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[12:03] <MrCraig> be back later
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[12:18] <Laurenceb> can i dd from one partition to another?
[12:19] <Laurenceb> or do i have to dd over an entire drive?
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[12:24] <russss> Laurenceb: dd will work on any unix file - a partition is a device, which is a file. So yes.
[12:24] <russss> :P
[12:26] <Laurenceb> doh
[12:26] <Laurenceb> i just tried
[12:26] <Laurenceb> its still cruching along
[12:27] <Laurenceb> *crunching
[12:28] <Laurenceb> hmm maybe i should have use dd before i formatted the drive
[12:28] <Laurenceb> dd > file.img -> partition ?
[12:30] <Laurenceb> or dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/media/external_drive_fat/backup.img ?
[12:33] <Laurenceb> russss: hangon - will it work or not
[12:34] <russss> that should work, yes
[12:34] <Laurenceb> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/media/external_drive_fat/backup.img should work?
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[12:35] <NigelMoby> Weeeeeeeeee
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: probably
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> Add conv=sync,noerror
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> This will pad the output with blanks, in the event an input block can't be read.
[12:37] <NigelMoby> Hey speedy
[12:38] <Laurenceb> ok, but copying the partitions directly wont work?
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do?
[12:38] <Laurenceb> backup a windows image
[12:39] <Laurenceb> off a paritition on a laptop hdd to one ive made on an external drive
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Partitions are containers which hold filesystems. You can copy the entire partition, and you will have gotten an image of the filesystem.
[12:39] <Laurenceb> ah ok
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> This can be copied onto a bigger or same sized partition, and it will work. (though may notr use up all the space)
[12:40] <Laurenceb> so its doesnt matter what i previously formatted the partition as?
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> no
[12:40] <Laurenceb> i see
[12:40] <Laurenceb> doh - so my previous approach would have worked
[12:40] <Laurenceb> sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb1
[12:41] <Laurenceb> sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb1 conv=sync,noerror ?
[12:44] <Laurenceb> i see
[12:44] <Laurenceb> http://www.linuxweblog.com/dd-image
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[13:29] <Laurenceb> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda2 is already mounted on /media/hda2
[13:29] <Laurenceb> does that mean it worked ?
[13:29] <Laurenceb> it cant mount the same thing twice
[13:30] <DanielRichman> type `mount` on its own and it will show you a list of currently mounted partitions
[13:31] <DanielRichman> but yeah. taht means that you can cd to /media/hda2 and see your stuff.
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - feeling crap, going back to sleep.
[13:33] Action: Laurenceb is confused again
[13:34] <Laurenceb> oh maybe i could unmount the partition on the internal HDD, then try
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[13:37] <MNSP> hello all :)
[13:38] <Laurenceb> aha its worked
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[13:39] <Laurenceb> over complex way to pirate windows ++
[13:40] <MNSP> hi MrCraig, how was testing?
[13:40] <MrCraig> hi all, does anyone here know how to assemble a clamp on bnc? specifically how to orient the collar and litre plastic ring?
[13:40] <MrCraig> sorry for typing slow, on mobile
[13:41] <MrCraig> just heading out now mnsp
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[14:07] <mattltm> Hello all :)
[14:07] <Zuph> Hello
[14:09] <MNSP> hey guys :)
[14:09] <mattltm> Hi MNSP :)
[14:09] <mattltm> Blown up that NIX2 yet?
[14:10] <MNSP> LOL not yet.. after what fsphil said I went out for a big fry up :D
[14:10] <MNSP> then found a local-ish ham radio shop
[14:10] <mattltm> Lol. That make 2 of u!
[14:10] <mattltm> Uh oh!
[14:10] <MNSP> was just studying your site
[14:11] <mattltm> cool.
[14:12] <MNSP> actually, think I'll go do some tinkering
[14:13] <mattltm> Anyone use xchat?
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[14:23] <Zuph> mattltm: I do.
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[14:24] <mattltm> Zuph: How do i get the sound working??
[14:25] <Zuph> heh, I'm not sure. I didn't know sound was an option, and I'm kinda glad it doesn't work :-p
[14:26] <MNSP> see you chaps later on :)
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[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:30] <mattltm> Lol. Thanks Zuph :)
[14:30] <Zuph> Morning, Lunar_Lander
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:43] <mattltm> BRB..
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[14:45] <mattltm> Ah ha
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> wb
[14:47] <fsphil> I've got a nice script that does text-to-speech in xchat
[14:47] <fsphil> kinda funky
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[14:47] <mattltm> cool
[14:48] <mattltm> Im running proper xchat now and not xchat-gnome :)
[14:48] <fsphil> yar it's not very good
[14:52] <mattltm> Just working out how to get sound to work.
[14:52] <mattltm> Got the 3 monitors running ok :)
[14:54] <fsphil> 3 screens? sweet -- all beside eachother?
[14:56] <mattltm> Yup.
[14:57] <mattltm> 2 x 19" widescreens with a 21" widescreen normal in the middle :)
[14:57] <Zuph> Internet in this coffee shop is slower than my phone :(
[14:58] <mattltm> Lol. It's funny. I now base where Im having coffee on the quality of their free wi-fi.
[14:59] <mattltm> fsphil: Makes managing servers via ssh very easy :)
[14:59] <fsphil> indeedy -- I couldn't do without two screens now
[14:59] <mattltm> Nor me. I find it hard to do anything on my netbook!
[15:00] <mattltm> Cool. Thats sound sorted :)
[15:00] <fsphil> ding!
[15:00] <mattltm> lol
[15:01] <mattltm> Only works when the window is out of focus..
[15:01] <mattltm> Intersting that xchat wont play .ogg files.
[15:04] <fsphil> shame google calculator doesn't do timezones
[15:05] <fsphil> "KC5NXD on 14.079 MHz USB - CW, DominoEX16, 110 bd RTTY, Hellscreiber...about 1700 hz. audio 9 am CDT Saturday from near Jackson MS"
[15:05] <fsphil> should be about now that
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[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil wolframalpha knows timezones
[15:16] <fsphil> keep forgetting about them
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:16] <fsphil> very cool
[15:17] <fsphil> ah it says the launch time was an hour ago
[15:21] <fsphil> aah, the stream is live: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/soldering-the-circut-board
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[15:23] <fsphil> quite a crowd
[15:24] <fsphil> balloons only being filled now -- guess they're running late
[15:26] <mattltm> Is there a launch today fsphil?
[15:26] <fsphil> in the states mattltm, transmitting on 20m
[15:26] <fsphil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/soldering-the-circut-board
[15:26] <mattltm> cool. Ta :)
[15:27] <fsphil> going to try receiving via global tuners
[15:27] <mattltm> let me know which one you are tuning and i'll have a listen too :)
[15:28] <fsphil> Lexington, Kentucky #1 -- closest I can find
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[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> ok people
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> TTYL
[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:31] <fsphil> sounds windy where they're launching
[15:33] <jgrahamc> Are the SpeedBall guys getting ready to launch?
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[15:34] <fsphil> this is another team
[15:34] <fsphil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/soldering-the-circut-board
[15:34] <mattltm> very windy!
[15:34] <jgrahamc> Thanks
[15:34] <Zuph> jgrahamc: More work to be done yet!
[15:34] <fsphil> yea look at that balloon!
[15:35] <jgrahamc> Zuph: can't wait for you guys to launch!
[15:35] <Zuph> Me neither!
[15:35] <jgrahamc> Nice looking balloon, but boy those clouds are moving fast
[15:35] <Zuph> Means some sleep maybe!
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[15:37] <jgrahamc> Have these guys got a tracker somewhere?
[15:37] <mattltm> Wow that balloon is going nuts!
[15:37] <Zuph> Oh man, i would *not* want to launch at 25 kts
[15:37] <Zuph> Speedball's *absolute* upper limit is 8kts
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[15:40] <fsphil> 100 viewers
[15:40] <fsphil> you got much sleep since Zuph?
[15:41] <Zuph> Not enough to be caught up,but enough to not die.
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[15:41] <Zuph> Girlfriend's car decided to puke it's transmission on the road on Thursday, so I dealt with that yesterday. Today ended up being another day off, getting her to and from work.
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[15:42] <fsphil> silly internet
[15:42] <mattltm> My arms would have stopped working by now if I had them up for that long!
[15:42] <fsphil> I don't think that balloon is going to survive!
[15:44] <mattltm> That looks like one long payload line.
[15:45] <Zuph> Did anyone keep a mibbit/ustream chat log of our speedball attempt?
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[15:46] <fsphil> not here
[15:46] <mattltm> ready....
[15:46] <mattltm> This is going to fly!
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[15:46] <fsphil> off it goes!
[15:47] <mattltm> Holy crap!
[15:47] <fsphil> it didn't hang about
[15:47] <mattltm> you know the freq fsphil?
[15:47] <fsphil> 14.079 + 1500hz
[15:47] <LazyLeopard> Presumably it headed off at 25kts + ascent...
[15:48] <fsphil> er, + 1700hz
[15:48] <jgrahamc> It's on the tracker now.
[15:48] <fsphil> nothing heard in texas
[15:48] <fsphil> or kentucky
[15:50] <fsphil> trying ohio radio, have had good luck with that before
[15:51] <jgrahamc> On the spacenear.us tracker I've sometimes seen the location of the chase car. How does that data get uploaded?
[15:52] <fsphil> it's an option in dl-fldigi, under GPS
[15:54] <fsphil> hearing nothing in ohio
[15:54] <jgrahamc> :-) That should have been obvious.
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[15:57] <fsphil> still nothing
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[16:02] <fsphil> no updates on spacenear.us either
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[16:12] <mattltm> Im having issuse with fldigi :(
[16:12] <fsphil> what's up?
[16:12] <mattltm> Cant get it to run in hab mode
[16:12] <mattltm> unrecognized option '--hab'
[16:13] <AndChat|> Beat it with a stick
[16:14] <mattltm> Good plan.
[16:14] <fsphil> you running the right version?
[16:14] <mattltm> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[16:14] <mattltm> Followed that.
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[16:15] <fsphil> ah, try in the source directory: ./src/dl-fldigi --havb
[16:15] <fsphil> ./src/dl-fldigi --hab
[16:15] <fsphil> even
[16:15] <fsphil> the executable name was changed to avoid confusion with the original fldigi
[16:15] <mattltm> Ah.. Thats got it :)
[16:16] <fsphil> there are updates coming onto spacenear.us now
[16:16] <fsphil> guess it just needed a bit of altitude
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[16:18] <Zuph> Any APRS onboard?
[16:19] <mattltm> fsphil: Next problem, top menus don't open.
[16:19] <fsphil> I think so
[16:19] <fsphil> APRS on 144.39: KC5NXD-11
[16:19] <fsphil> do they work in the regular fldigi mattltm?
[16:20] <mattltm> Yes. I think I know why...
[16:21] <mattltm> Thats sorted.
[16:21] <mattltm> Just have to hold the mouse button down.
[16:21] <fsphil> odd
[16:22] <Zuph> Heh, it's movin'
[16:22] <griffonbot> @wb5rmg: Tracking KC5NXD on 14.079 NOW with dl-fldigi. http://spacenear.us/tracker /;^) #hamr #arhab [http://twitter.com/wb5rmg/status/51680382520803328]
[16:22] <Zuph> APRS track is very nice.
[16:24] <fsphil> someone's hogging the ohio radio, listening to silence
[16:25] <fsphil> wow its being received from all over the states
[16:26] <Zuph> Yeah, I'm impressed.
[16:26] <Zuph> Anyone know how much power they're putting otu?
[16:26] <Zuph> *out?
[16:26] <fsphil> email didn't say
[16:26] <Zuph> And, anyone know what pressure sensor they're using?
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[16:27] <fsphil> arg, guy tuned it back to static
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[16:27] <Zuph> hah
[16:28] <fsphil> trying a websdr instead -- no tuning problems with those :)
[16:28] <fsphil> though my computer doesn't like the java applet too well
[16:29] <griffonbot> @Wcoury3: RT @wb5rmg: Tracking KC5NXD on 14.079 NOW with dl-fldigi. http://spacenear.us/tracker /;^) #hamr #arhab [http://twitter.com/Wcoury3/status/51682290455154688]
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[16:31] <MrCraig> hi all
[16:31] <mattltm> I've got lots of RTTY on 14.079 :(
[16:31] <MrCraig> I'm on site having a lot of disappointment from this
[16:32] <mattltm> Eh?
[16:32] <MrCraig> Seems I can't receive on any of my antenna more than 10 meters away from the payload
[16:32] <mattltm> ah.
[16:32] <fsphil> what receiver mattltm?
[16:33] <mattltm> Mine :)
[16:33] <fsphil> 10 meters? that's not right
[16:33] <jgrahamc> MrCraig: what transmiter are you using?
[16:33] <MrCraig> is there any point someone trying to receive me from a greater distance? It's the NTX2
[16:33] <MrCraig> the power seems to fail out rapidly within a few paces walking
[16:33] <mattltm> Not from the ground MrCraig
[16:33] <fsphil> ooh same here mattltm -- wasn't expecting that
[16:34] <mattltm> MrCraig, remember that the NTX2 is very low powered.
[16:34] <mattltm> But it should work for more that 10 Meters!
[16:35] <fsphil> esaily more
[16:35] <fsphil> easily too
[16:35] <fsphil> there must be something simple wrong
[16:35] <MrCraig> ok well to be fair it's more like 20 meters but that still seems terribly low
[16:35] <mattltm> Should be at least LOS
[16:35] <jgrahamc> That is way too low. What antenna are you using on the NTX2?
[16:36] <MrCraig> MRW210 is the tx antenna (google will find it at maplin, I can't look up a link from here)
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[16:37] <MrCraig> I've tried rx on 1 whip, 1 4-whip magnetic, and a tv antenna
[16:37] <mattltm> Using a simple 1/4 wave to test with would be a good start.
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[16:38] <fsphil> try a simple wire MrCraig for TX, about 14cm long
[16:38] <jgrahamc> When I was testing my module I had no problem receiving with no antenna at all (which isn't a good plan, but it did work).
[16:38] <MrCraig> will do - although the laptop battery is dead so I'll have to base results on audio quality
[16:39] <MrCraig> If that doesn't seem much better I'm going to bring it home and perhaps retry tomorrow after some debugging
[16:39] <mattltm> What rx are you using?
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[16:40] <fsphil> I got 10km out of a simple TX wire, and a simple whip (LOS thanks to a mountain)
[16:41] <mattltm> lol.
[16:41] <mattltm> With a simple whip, if you can see it you should be able to hear it.
[16:41] <fsphil> yar
[16:44] <griffonbot> @N8UUP: RT @wb5rmg: Tracking KC5NXD on 14.079 NOW with dl-fldigi. http://spacenear.us/tracker /;^) #hamr #arhab [http://twitter.com/N8UUP/status/51686058689167360]
[16:45] <mattltm> Shame we cant use 20M to track :(
[16:45] <fsphil> ain't it
[16:45] <MrCraig> if anyone has a pretty decent antenna, I'm on top of box hill surrey tx'ing at 435.1 - I sincerely doubt you'll get anything but it'd be nice to try just in case
[16:45] <fsphil> I'm tempted to try applying for an NoV
[16:45] <fsphil> just to see what they'd say
[16:45] <mattltm> fsphil: Maybe?
[16:46] <mattltm> MrCraig; I'll swing the beam round and have a go...
[16:46] <fsphil> even if it was restricted by power or frequency, could still be useful
[16:46] <fsphil> MrCraig, FM?
[16:47] <jgrahamc> MrCraig: 435.1Mhz, USB I assume?
[16:47] <fsphil> I know I won't hear anything, but always curious to try :)
[16:47] <MrCraig> usb yes
[16:48] <jgrahamc> I'll climb up on the flat roof in a bit an have a listen (6 element Yagi). I'm in Fulham BTW.
[16:48] <jgrahamc> How long you going to be up there?
[16:49] <mattltm> 435.1? Is that an NTX2?
[16:49] <MrCraig> well I'm in no hurry but have about 40 mins left on this mobile battery
[16:49] <fsphil> 435.100.000 USB -- nothing as expected ;-)
[16:50] <MrCraig> yes ntx2 434.650-10 with shift towards 435
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[16:50] <fsphil> for those ipv6 capable, my radio is online: http://cube.sanslogic.co.uk/radio.php
[16:50] <jgrahamc> OK. Let me grab my Yaesu and I'll go have a listen.
[16:50] <jgrahamc> I'm not that far away, so we'll see.
[16:50] <Upu> nothing here
[16:50] <Upu> but I'm on a whip
[16:50] <MrCraig> I don't expect anyone to pick it up but it could be that my rx antenna's are sucking
[16:50] <fsphil> you got a 434.650 to transmit on 435mhz?
[16:51] <MrCraig> yaesu readout reads 4.351.0
[16:51] <MrCraig> and I hear it there yeah
[16:51] <MrCraig> in usb
[16:51] <MrCraig> but then I also picked up a signal with lsb set
[16:51] <fsphil> ah, 434.351
[16:52] <fsphil> still even that's quite a bit away
[16:52] <fsphil> MrCraig, it's possible you're listening to a harmonic
[16:52] <fsphil> that would explain the limited range
[16:52] <Upu> I can hear something
[16:52] <MrCraig> where should I dial? and is someone tx'ing?
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[16:53] <MrCraig> you do? UPU? Do you get a callsign?
[16:53] <fsphil> tune to 4.650.000
[16:53] <fsphil> +/- a few khz
[16:53] <Upu> no sorry must be local
[16:54] <Upu> afk making an antenna
[16:54] <MrCraig> omg fsphil at 4.648.0 I get a much stronger ty
[16:55] <mattltm> I have a single carrier on 434.662
[16:55] <MrCraig> I just wish I had power still in the laptop
[16:55] <MrCraig> I'd like to rx a string
[16:57] <fsphil> no signal here but really that's not a surprise :)
[16:58] <MrCraig> So am I reading the readout on the yaesu wrong fsphil?
[16:58] <fsphil> I think so .. the ft790 drops the first 43 part of 434.650
[16:58] <MrCraig> 4.648.0 - too many decimals for my liking
[16:58] <fsphil> so it becomes __4.650
[16:58] <MrCraig> I see, I have been reading wrong
[16:59] <fsphil> confused the hell out of me the first time I tried it
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[16:59] <mattltm> MrCraig: Your only a 60min drive to my place if you want to recharge your battery, have a cuppa and try again :)
[16:59] <fsphil> the US balloon is approaching 30km altitude :)
[16:59] <fsphil> solar panels ftw ;-)
[17:00] <fsphil> oh wait, no sun
[17:00] <jgrahamc> MrCraig: what's the frequency on your NTX2 itself?
[17:00] <MrCraig> ntx is 434.650
[17:01] <MrCraig> we're having much more luck now but I have no dl-fldigi because of battery - we'll have to retry tomorrow
[17:02] <mattltm> I think the US balloon had burst.
[17:02] <jgrahamc> Are you transmitting RTTY?
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[17:03] <mattltm> Nope - still going!
[17:04] <jgrahamc> OK. I have something horribly distorted on 4.650.0
[17:06] <AndroUser2> yes rtty
[17:06] <AndroUser2> sorry was afk
[17:06] <AndroUser2> and phone died
[17:06] <AndroUser2> so is anyone getting it?
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[17:08] <MrCraig> I'm about to lose power on the phone too so sorry if I vanish
[17:08] <jgrahamc> Getting something on 434.650. Too much distortion
[17:10] <MrCraig> might be us standing about it
[17:10] <jgrahamc> Also forgot I don't have Yagi with me, so using whip.
[17:11] <MrCraig> well thats encouraging, where are you?
[17:11] <jgrahamc> Fulham
[17:11] <MrCraig> so about 20 miles
[17:13] <MrCraig> ok, I'm bringing it in - thanks for looking and thanks again for knowledge fsphil - will catch up when I'm back at the house. Still no gps lock, so that's a concern
[17:13] <jgrahamc> what gps?
[17:13] <MrCraig> trimble lassen iq
[17:14] <jgrahamc> I have one of those for my project. Works well. What antenna are you using?
[17:14] <MrCraig> it's a purpose antenna from diamond point, I can look up the link back at the house jgrahamc
[17:16] <MrCraig> no longer tx'ing
[17:16] <MrCraig> talk soon
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[17:19] <fsphil> US balloon is on the way down!
[17:19] <fsphil> missed that
[17:19] <NigeyS> hey phillllllllll
[17:19] <fsphil> peek altitude 27.5km
[17:20] <fsphil> nigester!
[17:20] <NigeyS> what did i miss ?
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[17:21] <fsphil> there was a US launch today, on the way down now
[17:21] <NigeyS> ah dam :(
[17:23] <fsphil> had no luck with global tuners, but the coverage was excellent - people receiving it from all over the states
[17:24] <jgrahamc> On the way down right over a naval air station!
[17:26] <NigeyS> ahh nice, alot of the trackers still on from the whitestar launch to
[17:26] <fsphil> "you take the back we'll take the front" -- just heard on PMR frequency
[17:28] <mattltm> lol
[17:28] <NigeyS> ooerr
[17:29] <mattltm> Sure it wasnt a baby monitor?
[17:32] <fsphil> nah there was about 3 or 4 people chatting
[17:32] <fsphil> couldn't hear the others clearly enough
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[17:49] <MNSP> hello all :)
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[17:51] <NigeyS> hello MNSP
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[17:54] <NigeyS> wb matt
[17:55] <mattltm_> Ta :)
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[17:58] <mattltm> Yes! O2 have finally agreed to replace my HTC :)
[17:58] <NigeyS> what ya do to it? lol
[17:59] <mattltm> Their OTA update bricked it.
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[17:59] <NigeyS> oh thats nice of them lol
[17:59] <mattltm> Which they acknowledged
[17:59] <NigeyS> the OTA i put on my desire hd the other week has caused some right issues :(
[17:59] <NigeyS> but that was orange not O2
[17:59] <mattltm> But wanted £160 to replace the case of the phone because it had a 3mm chip missing from the corner.
[18:00] <NigeyS> pfff cheeky sods
[18:01] <mattltm> Apparently, HTC only will only approve repairs if the phone is released back to the customer in 100% condition.
[18:01] <NigeyS> yeah theyre quite picky apparently :(
[18:01] <fsphil> how easy is it to load software onto the HTC?
[18:01] <fsphil> is it hacker-friendly?
[18:01] <mattltm> I emailed the CEO :)
[18:01] <NigeyS> fairly friendly phil
[18:02] <mattltm> fsphil: I think the lower software versions are the most hackable.
[18:02] <NigeyS> xda-devs have some great custom roms etc for the htc's
[18:02] <mattltm> The latest versions have a tricky security lock.
[18:02] <fsphil> ack
[18:02] <NigeyS> anything before 2.2 is better, but 2.1 and above is not impossible
[18:03] <fsphil> I'd like my next phone to be able to run some software
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> mattltm: Congrats!
[18:03] <fsphil> something to help when recovering a payload
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Mine runs fldigi
[18:04] <mattltm> What is it SpeedEvil?
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it could do BT serial, and actually properly do trhe dl-fldigi thing
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> n900
[18:04] <fsphil> ooh -- phone + funcube dongle :D
[18:04] <fsphil> the smallest tracking system
[18:05] <fsphil> needs a phone with usb host support
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[18:09] <fsphil> uh-oh, looks like the US balloon has landed in a forest
[18:09] <mattltm> I'll get the chainsaw.
[18:09] <MrCraig> hi hi :-) Thanks for the helps a little earlier
[18:11] <mattltm> Back at home?
[18:11] <MrCraig> yes, just sat down.
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[18:11] <LazyLeopard> APRS puts it a bit closer to that road confusingly labelled both 20 and 59...
[18:11] <MrCraig> Tomorrow I'm going out to the hill again and leaving my yaesu at my friends house (which is scarey because he likes to fiddle with buttons)
[18:12] <MrCraig> but now that I'm tuning the radio correctly, the range is vastly improoved :-)
[18:12] <MrCraig> The next real concern is the GPS. I've never seen it lock yet, and thought that it's because it's been on the bench in my flat and couldn't see the sky - but it didn't lock all day today on box hill.
[18:13] <NigeyS> lassen gps ?
[18:13] <MrCraig> yes
[18:13] <NigeyS> need a very very good groundplane
[18:13] <NigeyS> even in open sky
[18:13] <MrCraig> I don't have the button cell battery attached yet.
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[18:13] <NigeyS> i suggest a 6x6cm square of foil, and some masking tape
[18:13] <MrCraig> hmm, well it's sat above a large piece of copper clad board which is grounded to the power supply neg
[18:13] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Investigating sat antenna connection perhaps connector was unsnapped? Testing. #arhab #wssb1 http://t.co/pkmYGxp http://t.co/CfdBlxB [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51708468536676352]
[18:14] <MrCraig> it is however very close to the coax carrying the ntx tx
[18:15] <NigeyS> ah that maybe causing an issue but unlikely, experince with mine is their just crap for sensitivity, work when they want to :(
[18:15] <MrCraig> :-(
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[18:46] <mattltm> Right. Time for some HALO me thinks :)
[18:47] <NigeyS> meh play a proper game :P
[18:47] <mattltm> lol
[18:47] <NigeyS> ;)
[18:47] <NigeyS> i feel the urge for some HL2 actually
[18:48] Action: fsphil is waiting for Duke4 :)
[18:48] <mattltm> Na, REACH is where its at :)
[18:49] <NigeyS> lol
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> nethack
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[18:52] <jgrahamc> MrCraig: I am using the Lassen IQ as well and have never had a problem, but I have a square of mylar film under my antennas. See http://blog.jgc.org/2010/11/gaga-1-capsule-insulation-and-antenna.html
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[18:53] <MrCraig> your antennas look a lot prettier (and therefore probably more sophisticated) than mine
[18:53] <jgrahamc> With this configuration I've received GPS locks in my back garden in London from a totally cold start in just a few minutes
[18:53] <jgrahamc> What's your antenna? Mine is a pretty standard magmount antenna that you'd use on a car. I removed the magnet since I don't need it.
[18:54] <MNSP> hi all :)
[18:54] <fsphil> lo MNSP :)
[18:54] <MrCraig> http://www.dpieshop.com/trimble-miniature-30v-unpackaged-gps-antenna-hfl-connector-5785900-replacement-p-234.html?osCsid=27693e9145c29e96cc44df3c305704f4 I'm uploading photo's of my build right now.
[18:54] <MrCraig> hi MNSP :)
[18:55] <MNSP> how was testing Mr Craig?
[18:55] <jgrahamc> That's a perfectly good antenna, but is needs a ground plane (even says so on that page :-)
[19:04] <MrCraig> hi MNSP - well initially it was dreadful - I was getting about 10-15meter range and couldn't figure out why. I came online here and asked around and discovered to my shame that I was operating the radio incorrectly, when propperly tuned I got easily 800-1000 meters range with no apparent drop off in strength
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:05] <MrCraig> jgrahamc: and anyone else interested, what I tested today... http://craigchapman.me.uk/ballooncam/2011/03/sequence-of-snaps-taken-during-building-payload-for-tests/
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[19:06] <MrCraig> to coax was 2 meters and has therefore been cut down to size.
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[19:07] <MNSP> Cool MrCraig
[19:07] <jgrahamc> MrCraig: is your GPS antenna inside the box?
[19:07] <MrCraig> Thanks MNSP - but I'm thinking there might be some glaring design flaws.
[19:07] <MrCraig> yes jgrahamc
[19:07] <mattltm> Thats 1 then :)
[19:07] <MrCraig> I could put it outside though, quite easily
[19:08] <MrCraig> but then, how would you ground plane that?
[19:08] <MrCraig> it'd have to be on top right?
[19:08] <mattltm> It needs to see the sky :)
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[19:08] <jgrahamc> I think you're going to have a hard time getting it to work with the antenna embedded inside all that insulation. You want it sticking out and up so it can see the sky clearly with _nothing_ in the way.
[19:08] <MrCraig> through polystyrene is not goo?
[19:08] <MrCraig> hmm ok, well there's a change to make :)
[19:09] <mattltm> cover the top in foil and put the antenna on top of that.
[19:09] <jgrahamc> If you look at the design of my box the inside of the lid is covered with mylar film and the antenna is outside on the top.
[19:09] <MrCraig> ok, and to get there I'm thinking I'll move the trimble up to the higher half of the box
[19:09] <MrCraig> I see
[19:10] <MrCraig> ok, well that's an easy enough mod to make - I can do that tonight for tests in the morning
[19:10] <jgrahamc> I've tested this and it works really well. I did a total cold start for my lassen iq in the back garden. First GPS lock with it sitting on the ground was in 6 minutes .
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> polystyrene has a possibly ignorable effect.
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> It's mostly air.
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Well - probably isobutane
[19:14] <fsphil> yea, I had the gps inside a good few cm of polystyrene insulation -- worked fine
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> Remember BST tomorrow
[19:14] <fsphil> yay radio-controlled clocks ;-)
[19:14] <MrCraig> lassen fsphil?
[19:15] <fsphil> nah, that was an fsa03 -- but it shouldn't make a difference
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: http://thetoy.co.uk/
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Oh - misread.
[19:17] Action: SpeedEvil just uses /etc/localtime/* controlled clocks.
[19:17] <mattltm> Right. HALO time :)
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah.
[19:17] <mattltm> See you all later.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/Data/Realtime/Demand/Demand60.htm
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Earth hour 8:30PM
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Be fun to watch.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> For small values of fun.
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[19:24] <jgrahamc> Interesting, so antenna could be inside the box. Hence it must be the lack of ground plane that's messing up MrCraig
[19:24] <russss> http://bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm
[19:25] <russss> more fun national grid related graphs (doesn't seem to work on chrome)
[19:25] <MrCraig> I just put it above some tin foil - to sheild it from the electronics inside the box (because although I've grounded beneath them, there's nothing between them and the antenna) - I'm going to give that a try outside while I take a breather - and otherwise continue with the problem in the morning.
[19:26] <MrCraig> The flat isn't the ideal location though - even outside to me has buildings either side and possibly metal balconies
[19:26] <MrCraig> brb
[19:38] <MrCraig> oh look at that for good news - I see data
[19:40] <jgrahamc> Nice
[19:41] <MrCraig> perfect, so I can log to file and use real data to polish the software this evening :-) So in hab mode, red behind the text means the checksum failed, and green passed right?
[19:46] <fsphil> yea
[19:46] <MrCraig> lots of fails, but understandable, it's transmitting the callsign twice and only calculating the checksum on one of them.
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[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello!
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[20:09] <fsphil> yo yo
[20:11] <jgrahamc> yo
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:15] <natrium42> going to the school of hard knocks
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:16] Action: fsphil is babysitting .. bah
[20:16] <natrium42> fsphil: come on, we are quite easy
[20:17] <MrCraig> lol @natrium
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[20:18] <LazyLeopard> ...but is the baby asleep in bed, or screaming the house down, running riot, or otherwise destroying peace and quiet...
[20:18] <fsphil> all is quiet here so far ...
[20:19] <LazyLeopard> Quiet is good... unless it's Too Quiet(tm).
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[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:27] <natrium42> is Lunar_Lander behaving?
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah natrium42
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> no problems
[20:30] <fsphil> go to your room Lunar_Lander :p
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[20:30] <natrium42> good
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[20:34] <NigeyS> haaaaaaaaaahahahaha
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> lol
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[20:38] <MNSP> hi guys :)
[20:38] <natrium42> sup MNSP
[20:39] <MNSP> got my ntx2 yesterday from radiometrix
[20:40] <MNSP> mattltm and nigeys helped me with arduino code
[20:40] <natrium42> wheee
[20:40] <MNSP> but...
[20:40] <Laurenceb> are whitestar doing something?
[20:40] <NigeyS> troubleshooting afaik
[20:40] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:40] <MNSP> not not sure how to wire pin 1&3 rf gnd??
[20:40] <Laurenceb> https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=26912402ec5254031705c89302679ea8&tab=core&_cview=1
[20:41] <NigeyS> did you get yur partition moved ok laurence ?
[20:41] <Laurenceb> ^that will end badly
[20:41] <Laurenceb> yes, all works.. more or less
[20:41] <Laurenceb> my machine seems to get confused as it decides the drive is already mounted
[20:41] <NigeyS> oh thats helpful of it
[20:42] <Laurenceb> i have to sudo unmount the HDD and then mount the external drive, but its only there for backup so...
[20:42] <jonsowman> MNSP: to the shield of the antenna connector
[20:42] <NigeyS> ah not to much of a pain then
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Mr Rsync is your friend.
[20:42] <NigeyS> hey jonsowman !!!
[20:42] <jonsowman> hi NigeyS
[20:42] <jonsowman> :)
[20:42] <NigeyS> how's your weekend so far? .. boat race ..............................
[20:42] <Laurenceb> now i can boot the window7 image from my laptop off external drive
[20:42] <jonsowman> yeah not too bad thanks. I know... bit sad
[20:43] <jonsowman> oh well :)
[20:43] <NigeyS> has to be a loser to be a winner and all that...
[20:43] <jonsowman> I'm not a boatie so it doesn't bother me that much :)
[20:43] <Laurenceb> they always seemed to swear a lot in each others faces
[20:43] <Laurenceb> -boaties
[20:43] <NigeyS> can't say i am, my sister used to do dragon boat racing mind
[20:44] <Laurenceb> and jump in rivers together naked
[20:44] <NigeyS> lol
[20:44] <Laurenceb> altogether rather odd
[20:44] Action: Laurenceb is presently loling at https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=26912402ec5254031705c89302679ea8&tab=core&_cview=1
[20:45] <Laurenceb> thats going to get trolled so bad
[20:45] Action: fsphil throws a bee hive at NigeyS
[20:45] <NigeyS> oh that's just evil!
[20:45] <Laurenceb> better than a wasps nest
[20:45] <NigeyS> should be a giggle laurence
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi jonsowman
[20:45] <jonsowman> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:46] <MrCraig> what kind of baby sitter uses bees as passification over honey?
[20:46] <MNSP> or a hornets
[20:46] <MrCraig> hi jonsowman
[20:46] <jonsowman> hi MrCraig, how are things?
[20:46] <NigeyS> remind me never to get you lot to babysit for me! lol
[20:46] <MNSP> a bloody strict one mrcraig
[20:46] <fsphil> lol
[20:47] <fsphil> I'm forcing them to watch Futurama right now
[20:47] <NigeyS> haha
[20:47] <NigeyS> you WILL watch that programme!
[20:47] <MrCraig> good - range test today went badly until I came here for an education in tuning a radio - then it seemed good but by that time the laptop had died. Just got gps lock and working on the gps antenna now
[20:47] <MNSP> oh the humanity!
[20:47] <MrCraig> @jons
[20:48] <NigeyS> fsphil, you could always shock them with an IRD if they misbehave ;)
[20:49] <NigeyS> wont kill em .. just a little sting :P
[20:49] <fsphil> lol
[20:49] <MrCraig> and hearing rtty at all times is starting to become a hinderance to my though processes
[20:49] <fsphil> it's *everywhere*
[20:49] <MNSP> exept at my house :(
[20:50] <Laurenceb> heh apparently darpa will be in #avm
[20:50] <Laurenceb> this is going to end badly
[20:50] <NigeyS> very
[20:50] <NigeyS> unless they set +m
[20:51] <Laurenceb> yeah
[20:51] <Laurenceb> apparently they will be very strict - you can get banned just for failing to rtfm
[20:52] <MNSP> maybe theyt'll post the hornets if you fail
[20:53] <Laurenceb> unless its a double bluff to bait anonymous
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[21:26] <MNSP> anyone still on?
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> no
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[21:27] <MNSP> LOL
[21:27] <MNSP> just seemed quiet
[21:27] <MrCraig> writing software
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[21:29] <SpeedEvil> I am sorting out a regression in the linux kernel for my laptop.
[21:30] <MNSP> alright, alright, so you've all got lives :D
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[21:32] <MrCraig> lol - I've actually just written a quicky xor checksum checker so that I don't have to manually xor the strings with the hex calculator out.
[21:33] Action: MrCraig should really memorize his ascii chart, but at an early age I just memorized A, a and 0 - CR / LF and space... and so count characters from those.
[21:36] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Testing reseated sat coax connector, waiting for satellites to wander by. Ftdi serial on blue USB cable #arhab #wssb1 http://t.co/7Bjbwpy [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51759449320329217]
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[22:09] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Very low sat signal problem replicated. Will try replacing coax cables and antenna with ground testing (nonflight) set. #arhab #wssb1 [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51767725097353216]
[22:13] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Energizing HF tx while I check all prefs values on sat modem. Will see how HF gps does. -Dan ( @steamfire ) #arhab #wssb1 [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/51768841008709632]
[22:17] <NigeyS> ooo
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[22:22] <fsphil> ooo++
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[22:24] <NigeyS> if he's txing that should be hearable on global tuners kentucky recievers iirc
[22:25] <fsphil> depends on the antenna
[22:25] <fsphil> he might just use the dummy load
[22:25] <NigeyS> true
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[22:30] <griffonbot> @wb5rmg: We have a credo at #NASA, "test what you fly & fly what you test" - applies everywhere. You'll find it. /;^) #arhab [http://twitter.com/wb5rmg/status/51773012755750913]
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[23:26] <NigeyS> hey juxta
[23:27] <juxta> morning NigeyS
[23:27] <NigeyS> how's you dude ?
[23:28] <juxta> getting by, hehe
[23:29] <NigeyS> :D gdgd
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[23:42] <MNSP> Hellooooooooo :)
[23:45] <Blackover> hi
[23:45] <MrCraig> Hiii
[23:45] <MrCraig> I think in this channel we should never greet with "hi" but perhaps "high"
[23:46] <MrCraig> no takers? just a thought...
[23:47] <MNSP> lol that could be read in many diff ways mrcraig
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