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[00:27] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[00:27] <Lunar_Lander> is anyone still around?
[00:28] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> last night, someone came up here
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> (04:37:42)- tyrosine joined
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> (04:37:55)<tyrosine>Greetings all! I'm preparing to do a launch with my university soon...
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> (04:39:08)<tyrosine>I built a 10m (28mhz) telemetry transmitter tonight, but I'm not done with the final amplifier
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[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> that was all of the message
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> what does he mean?
[00:29] <MrCraig> been soldering since 6pm, not gonna stop now just because work is in the morning.
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:29] <Dan-K2VOL> oh
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> so you also make it through the night like me?
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[00:30] <MrCraig> nah, cutting myself off at 1
[00:30] <MrCraig> for sanity
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> because if I go to bed now, I probably can't get up at 7
[00:31] <MrCraig> I used to be the same, but now the biggest problem is staying awake at work just after mid-day
[00:31] <GroupO> hey guys, wondering what I need to know about using spacenear.us for traking my launch
[00:31] <GroupO> any advice?
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[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi juxta
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> GroupO
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> I think people like jonsowman could help there
[00:34] <GroupO> Lunar_Lander: hey
[00:34] <Lunar_Lander> but I am not sure who of the people in the list there is still up
[00:35] <GroupO> yeh? best i opo on tomorrow
[00:35] <GroupO> pop
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> I mean he knows all about the predictor
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> spacenear is by robert harrison
[00:35] <GroupO> yeh, i had been meaning to ask earlier, i forget not everyone is an insomniac
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> but he is not that often here in the last time
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:35] <GroupO> i think i have spoke to him via email before
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:36] <GroupO> i could ping him one and see what he says
[00:36] <juxta> morning Lunar_Lander
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> how's life juxta ?
[00:36] <juxta> good good
[00:36] <juxta> weather is miserable though today
[00:36] <Darkside> hey juxta
[00:36] <juxta> morning Darkside
[00:36] <Darkside> we pushed a radiosonde up to 422MHz
[00:37] <Darkside> dunno what the output power is at that freq
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:42] <GroupO> Lunar_Lander: cheers man,
[00:42] <GroupO> im off
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[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> damn missed him
[00:58] <Lunar_Lander> was down to empty my bin
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[01:00] <MrCraig> it is now officially no longer sensible for me to continue soldering this evening (and only about 1 hour's work left too) - goodnight all
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[01:04] Action: SpeedEvil hates not realising it's got to that point.
[01:05] <imrcly> you could just go for it
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> Spending another half an hour, and wrecking ages of work
[01:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[01:05] <Lunar_Lander> I just finally cleared my desk
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[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170617765546#ht_4137wt_1139
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> what is your opinion on that?
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> Maplin at one point had GM tubes
[01:06] <imrcly> its a trap
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> Hard beta and gamma - there is no window.
[01:07] <Zuph> Can get 'em in the US for $25 each in single quantities, cheaper in bulk.
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> It needs to get through stainless
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> an institute of physics could have geiger tubes
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> somewhere
[01:07] <Zuph> Mica window is always fragile as hell, anyway.
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> in storage
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> Zuph: True
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph who does sell them?
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> or do you mean the sparkfun ones?
[01:08] <Zuph> Electronics Goldmine or a similar site
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> you see
[01:08] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> do you know the HASP balloon?
[01:09] <Zuph> Not off the top of my head.
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> I think it is like the american version of BEXUS
[01:09] <Zuph> ah
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> and a woman once was in the sparkfun chat and she asked about the geiger tubes of SF
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> if they pop at high altitudes
[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> and then she said that she is in a group of people who will have an instrument onboard HASP 2011 and that they want to pressure test the tubes
[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> and I ask: "Can you tell me the results please?" and she: "Sure, of course"
[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> now the flaw
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> I forgot her nickname and we didn't exchange mail adresses
[01:11] Action: Lunar_Lander slaps his forehead
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> You don't log ?
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> I do
[01:11] <Lunar_Lander> let me try to rewind
[01:11] <Zuph> hah
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> grep yourname geiger
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> grep doesn't work with nettalk
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> found it!
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah yea
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> she wrote that if they use the SF tubes, they'll write a comment on the SF site
[01:15] <Lunar_Lander> Zuph I just checked electronics goldmine
[01:16] <Lunar_Lander> seems like they only have the tubes like on ebay and a glass tube which has the description "for gamma rays"
[01:17] <Zuph> ah
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> I think I'll simply ask at the institute today
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[01:28] <Dan-K2VOL> simulation online
[01:28] <Dan-K2VOL> http://ustre.am/oIad
[01:28] <Dan-K2VOL> lunar_lander, join us if you like
[01:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah one moment please
[01:36] <Dan-K2VOL> no prob
[01:36] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[01:36] <Lunar_Lander> sorry thunderbird malfunction
[01:38] <Lunar_Lander> I'm on
[01:39] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL
[01:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hey lunar
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander> I'm in the mumble
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[03:43] <SamSilver> W0otm: coffee??
[03:44] <SamSilver> g day
[03:49] <natrium42> hi SamSilver
[03:51] <SamSilver> Morning natrium is it coffee time there?
[03:51] <SamSilver> I supose it's coffee time anytime
[03:51] <SamSilver> 05h51 here in SA
[03:58] <Dan-K2VOL> morning natrium42, samsilver
[03:58] <natrium42> SamSilver: nah, it's 9 pm
[03:58] <natrium42> hi dan
[04:01] <SamSilver> anyone with inside info on whitestar next launch window?
[04:02] <imrcly> not us,
[04:04] <SamSilver> my wife can't belive how excited I get about a balloon that is half way around the world from me
[04:04] <Dan-K2VOL> Thursday and friday
[04:05] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe that's so cool Sam, well, it might just make history! it's like when I had a chance to go see SpaceShipOne fly into space for the first time, in person
[04:06] <Dan-K2VOL> where are you samSilver
[04:06] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium42 how are you
[04:06] <SamSilver> South Africa
[04:07] <SamSilver> did spaceshipone land and takeoff from same field?
[04:07] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: good, and yourself?
[04:09] <Dan-K2VOL> yes SamSilver, there was 30,000 people along the runway fence to see it take off slung under White Knight, and an hour later to see it sprout fire in the sky and corkscrew up into space, then 20 minutes later it glided right down to a landing in front of us
[04:10] <SamSilver> That would be a memory and a half . you a lucky bugger!
[04:11] <SamSilver> I saw in a test flight that it's front "wheel" was a 2 x 4 was that the same for the space flight?
[04:11] <Dan-K2VOL> I had no money, and no vacation time from work - but I realized that it was a defining moment in history, like yuri gargarin's flight, that I needed to be a part of
[04:12] <SamSilver> a pece of wood?
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> yes
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> it was just a skid
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> cheaper and lighter than a wheel
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> used brakes to steer
[04:12] <SamSilver> sooooo smart auto brace and very light
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> a lot of early rocket planes used skids like that
[04:12] <SamSilver> brake
[04:12] <Dan-K2VOL> like the X-15
[04:13] <SamSilver> x 15 was three skids?
[04:13] <Dan-K2VOL> don't remember, that's why i love google
[04:14] <Dan-K2VOL> Sam do you do balloons?
[04:15] <SamSilver> I had a hotair balloon for a three years
[04:15] <Dan-K2VOL> natrium42 doing well. We could use help on our ATC team, would you be interested?
[04:15] <SamSilver> I have done pico balloons
[04:15] <Dan-K2VOL> nice sam, down there?
[04:15] <Dan-K2VOL> I've always wanted to see a manned helium balloon
[04:15] <SamSilver> I am a ham ZU5SAM
[04:16] <Dan-K2VOL> nice
[04:16] <SamSilver> ATC team ???
[04:16] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, we're going to be talking to air traffic control 24-hours a day, every hour or so, reporting the balloon's position
[04:16] <natrium42> Dan-K2VOL: sorry, pretty busy nowadays...
[04:17] <Dan-K2VOL> no problem alexei
[04:17] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone around here you'd recommend?
[04:17] <Dan-K2VOL> Sam, have you talked with atc much in your piloting?
[04:18] <SamSilver> not so much as we tend to fly in unrestricted airspace, of wich there is a lot in South Africa
[04:19] <SamSilver> which
[04:20] <SamSilver> you got flight over SA on the cards
[04:20] <Dan-K2VOL> eh?
[04:20] <Dan-K2VOL> oh hahahaa my friend, that's sadly impossible, unless we drove to Brazil first ;-)
[04:21] <Dan-K2VOL> the Equator forms an impenetrable wind barrier
[04:21] <Dan-K2VOL> but on your continent, very likely. I'm afraid there'll be a lot of land to get to it from there though, most of our flight paths this week take us through the sahara
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[04:36] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: ahh finally a mission control simulation that is mostly working correctly! it's like flying a balloon! - Dan #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/49690890167521280]
[04:37] <imrcly> yes it is
[04:37] <Dan-K2VOL> haha from yo couch
[04:37] <imrcly> i had ne
[04:39] <imrcly> was testing the remote network procedures
[04:40] <SamSilver> Bravo!!
[04:42] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
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[06:17] <SamSilver> http://smallblimps.lefora.com/composition/attachment/83927a80d1a038d31e2de42031d81874/415038/tubedSKYBOAT.jpg
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[06:42] <SamSilver> 39 secs of fun from WB8ELK http://hamradionation.com/browse_vidfeeders.php?tag=Amateur+Radio+Balloon
[06:42] <SamSilver> from 1988
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[08:34] <SamSilver> cheers > later > offf to bake bread / rolls
[08:34] <SamSilver> bbl
[08:35] <SamSilver> afk
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[09:48] <Laurenceb> is whitestar in flight?
[09:49] <SamSilver> nope
[09:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:50] <SamSilver> HF issues
[09:50] <SamSilver> and weather sh!t
[09:51] <SamSilver> they was doing a lot of simulations
[09:51] <Laurenceb> :/
[09:52] <SamSilver> I know
[09:52] <SamSilver> I wish someone anyone would send up a party balloon with a garage door remote Txing
[09:53] <SamSilver> anything to trak and follow and make my own landing predictions to
[09:56] <SamSilver> anyone remember the balloon that had a auto gate remote as a Tx ?
[09:56] <SamSilver> range was great if you had a 13 element Yagi?
[09:57] <SamSilver> I think the output was measured to the 6th deci place :p
[10:25] <SamSilver> afk
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[10:52] <earthshine> morning
[10:52] <SamSilver> hi earthshine
[10:52] <SamSilver> I am not here
[10:53] <SamSilver> I am away
[10:53] <SamSilver> it is 7 mins from good afternoon here
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[11:14] <SamSilver> bbl
[11:14] <SamSilver> cheers
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[12:05] <Dooberry> afternoon
[12:07] <GroupO> afternoon
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[12:58] <Dooberry> I presume Whitestar didn't get off the ground yesterday then...
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[13:38] <W0OTM> Hello WOrld
[13:41] <Elwell> hmm. sending a low altitude floater up with garage door remote (or even better, scanning version thereof) would be great fun.
[13:42] <Elwell> warfloating.
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[13:55] Action: Laurenceb_ launches a low altitude floater into his toilet
[13:55] <NigelMoby> Eww lol
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[14:25] <m1x10> Hi all again
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> hi
[14:33] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: how is life?
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> Increasingly covered with tarpaulin.
[14:33] <m1x10> sweet :)
[14:34] <m1x10> better than fukusima :p
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> To be fair, the likely number of deaths from fukushima is probably under 1.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> Neglecting the probable deaths due to teh rvacuation, and stress.
[14:35] <m1x10> I think noone will die immediately
[14:35] <m1x10> I agree with you
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[14:36] <Laurenceb_> whats the plan with the walls then?
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> The tarp eventually forms a tunnel over the path in front of the house.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> This is - hopefully - completely weathertight, and basically can be used to put stuff from half thehouse and attic, while I insulate it.
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> i mean inside, are you chipping off the plaster then studwork frame or something?
[14:37] <m1x10> my new flash-related problem: http://imagebin.org/144141
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> ah.
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> Yes, remove plasterboard, remove studwork, put up new insulation and studwork and plasterboard
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> ah its already got studwork, i see
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> Problem is I can't see any way to insulate it and not risk condensation
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[14:40] <Laurenceb_> did you do a moisture analysis?
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> You mean to see if the structure is wet?
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> no
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> To see if there is potential for condensation?
[14:40] <Dan-K2VOL> oooh on a balloon?
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[14:41] <SpeedEvil> I'm going to end up with basically an insulated vapour sealed box, with ventilation around the outsides.
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> So, condensation should not be an issue
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> found it
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ornl.gov/sci/btc/apps/moisture/index.html
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> http://www.hoki.ibp.fhg.de/download/Install_WUFI5_ORNL.zip
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[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Interesting, but no. I'm basically going 'nuclear option' - upgrading ventilation over walls at the same time as basically eliminating vapour leaks from the habitable volume.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> I'll have a play with it.
[14:44] <Dan-K2VOL> hey I used to work next door to ORNL
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> just trying in in wine
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> hmm seems to run
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> crashed during installation tho
[14:53] <Laurenceb_> it tried to change the registry :S
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> I need to work out how to do virtualisation.
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> I actually owntwo legitimate copies of vista I'mnot using
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> hmm now i just have the issue of working out how to use this thing
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> it thinks im in Seattle
[14:57] <GroupO> guys, im less than knowledgible about electronics, wonder if you could advise?
[14:57] <GroupO> I have a relay circuit i need to operate and it says it is 5V and 2Amp
[14:57] <GroupO> does that mean I need a power sorce operating at 5V and 2A?
[14:59] <Laurenceb_> bah the main program needs the registery to work
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[14:59] <Laurenceb_> i cant edit the simulations with wine :(
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> but anyway something like that is useful
[15:01] <Laurenceb_> especially if you live in Seattle
[15:01] <SamSilver> Group basical yes
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[15:02] <GroupO> SamSilver: thanks
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> exception in ntdll.dll :(
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[15:52] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[15:53] <W0OTM> PLEASE tell me a better place to get balloons from than Kaymont
[15:53] <W0OTM> RUDE sons-a-bitches
[15:53] <Laurenceb_> lol what happened?
[16:00] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/refrig.htm
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[16:06] <W0OTM> They just rude people
[16:06] <W0OTM> and since they arent the only source of balloons, screw'em
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> where are you?
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yeah - I was looking at propane, or perhaps isobutane
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: The problem is that comparatively low pressure systems like this need a large pumping capacity, an the pumps are not commonly available
[16:10] <Laurenceb_> are peltiers any good?
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[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Surprisingly, yes. If you can keep the delta-t down to 10C or so
[16:10] <Laurenceb_> for ground source you maybe only need delta t of 20 C or less
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> i see
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> But even at 20C, the performance is dropping off rapidly
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> ok
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> I can't find the nice graphs I drew.
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> ground source - water - peltier - central heating water?
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> That also means you need stupid amounts od peltier - you want to run them at ~20% of nameplate power
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> For optimal efficiency
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> they are cheapish from china
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> but the exchanger could be complex
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> yup
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> And large
[16:13] Action: Laurenceb_ wonders if air would work
[16:15] <Laurenceb_> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/180w-tec1-12715-thermoelectric-cooler-peltier-40403-3mm.html
[16:16] <Laurenceb_> maybve £500 total ?
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> it wouldnt actually be that big
[16:17] <Laurenceb_> ~40cm square
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[16:19] <SpeedEvil> The radiators/UFH needs to be quite huge though.
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> youd need a power supply for it tho
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> As does the collector
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> use existing central heating system?
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> hmm i guess the delta T into /out of the water needs to be very low
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> yeah so massive heat sinks :-/
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> unless you could find some big extruded alu things with holes down the middle for the water
[16:21] <Laurenceb_> scrap yard?
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> In practice, this is somewhat less important.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> I've realised I can easily segment the house into two, and that dramatically reduces the even reduced heating bills.
[16:22] <Laurenceb_> heh
[16:23] <Laurenceb_> peltiers is interesting, but with all the pipework etc, maybe something refidgerant based is more sensible
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[16:26] <Laurenceb_> how do the commercial systems work?
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Compressor/...
[16:28] <Laurenceb_> water through the buried bit?
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[16:32] <SpeedEvil> glycol/... is common
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> You want it to go modestly below zero
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[16:35] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[16:36] <Elwell> fitting a heatpump with the house renovation?
[16:37] <m1x10> I never thought Im gonna code in AS3 for the HAB project
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> you are crazy
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: Sorta considering it.
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: If I can work out a way to do it very, very cheaply.
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: Heatstore + heatpump + cheap rate electricity = really quite cheap heat
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[16:41] <Laurenceb_> store is hard
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> I mean something really quite simple - nonstratified homogenous large store.
[16:43] <Laurenceb_> whats one of those
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> big tank of water?
[16:45] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: aye. 's not cheap to install. Been looking at it for here in France. (get tax credits) -- one of the manufacturers does a unit that allows high temp circuits so you can run traditonal radiators / DHW off them =rather than needing underfloor heating (which runs at a lower temp)_
[16:46] <Elwell> Laurenceb_: that, or pipework in a big concrete wall / floor
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: basically, yes.
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> for overnighyt
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> ?
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Idea would be a heatpump sized at 3* load, run on off-peak electricity.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> And a store.
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> ah i see, so only store for 1 day?
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> ah, thats easy
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Seasonal stores are in principle interesting, but need to be damn huge.
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> i was looking at a 1 year store using solar heated water at 90C
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> 'First dig a 5*5*5m hole'
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> it works out at about 0.5 floors of 90C water
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that's similar numbers to what I recall.
[16:49] <Laurenceb_> im off, cya
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[16:51] <NigeyS> afternoon !!!
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> Afternoon.
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> You just got here in time.
[16:51] <NigeyS> hey speedy
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> Or it'd have been evening.
[16:51] <NigeyS> yush! 10minustes till evening!
[16:51] <NigeyS> minutes*
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[17:21] <m1x10> ping all :)
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[17:21] <m1x10> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:21] <m1x10> uses google maps
[17:21] <m1x10> and draws the route
[17:22] <m1x10> how is this done in code?
[17:22] <m1x10> what's the specific calls?
[17:22] <m1x10> something like: var polyline = new GPolyline([new GLatLng($startlat, $startlon), new GLatLng($endlat, $endlon)];
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[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> m1x10, the code is open source on github, search for jcoxon on github.org
[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> i'm not sure how
[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> but jcoxon and natrium42 may
[17:28] <m1x10> i searched but no results for spacenear.us/tracker/
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[17:43] <hibby> \o/ almost working system :)
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[17:47] <MrCraig> evening all *tips hat*
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[17:52] <GroupO> hey guys - planning on doing a launch in the next few days and wondering what the protocol is for using spacenear.us?
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[17:55] <SpeedEvil> Fairly simple, generally GroupO - I think everyone is asleep thouhg.
[17:56] <GroupO> SpeedEvil: :) ok
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[17:56] <GroupO> i just did'nt want to start uploading stuff without the grace of asking if its kl
[17:58] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: do u know where can I get the code of spacenear.us/tracker ?
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - my logs are on my otherbox, which is downATM
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[18:16] <jcoxon> evening all
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[18:19] <jonsowman> evening jcoxon
[18:20] <jcoxon> hey jonsowman, seems like a long time since i last said hi to you!
[18:20] <jcoxon> term over?
[18:20] <m1x10> jcoxon, hi
[18:20] <m1x10> do u know where can I get the code of spacenear.us/tracker ?
[18:20] <m1x10> I need the code which draws the route
[18:21] <jcoxon> m1x10, you'll need to chat with natrium42
[18:21] <jcoxon> he wrote it
[18:21] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yeah it has been a while
[18:22] <jcoxon> m1x10, you writing your own?
[18:22] <jonsowman> term is over indeed
[18:22] <jonsowman> nice to have a break
[18:22] <jonsowman> jcoxon: how are things with you?
[18:22] <jcoxon> i bet
[18:22] <jcoxon> not bad thanks
[18:22] <jcoxon> work work work
[18:23] <jcoxon> made good progress with my next payload
[18:24] <Dooberry> heya Jon
[18:24] <Dooberry> thanks for the email reply the other day
[18:25] <Dooberry> don't suppose you heard if any of the CUSF chaps are available for May Bank Holiday?
[18:26] <Dan-K2VOL> m1x10 natrium42 is in the GMT-4 timezone usually, though I've run into him most often around 0400-0500 GMT
[18:27] <GroupO> SpeedEvil: having a look at the dl -fldigi guide and i cnat find anything about idetifying your own payload
[18:28] <jcoxon> GroupO, i can help there
[18:28] <GroupO> jcoxon: good stuff
[18:28] <jcoxon> you need to contact me or jonsowman or juxta
[18:28] <jcoxon> with an example telemetry string
[18:28] <jonsowman> hi Dooberry
[18:28] <jonsowman> how are things?
[18:28] <jcoxon> we'll then create a XML on the server which will be used by dl-fldigi and spacenear.us
[18:29] <GroupO> ahh rite ok
[18:29] <jcoxon> as an example here is my payloads xml
[18:29] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/atlas.xml
[18:29] <jonsowman> Dooberry: I'll try and find out
[18:29] <jcoxon> we recommend following the UKHAS standard
[18:29] <GroupO> thats what my electircs guy figured
[18:29] <jcoxon> which is documented on the wiki
[18:29] <jcoxon> though just to say that the fields don't have to be fixed lengths
[18:30] <jonsowman> yep I can do XMLs for people if required
[18:31] <GroupO> ok, well we are looking to launch within the next few days, fingers crossed, so we are just ironing out the creases just now
[18:31] <jcoxon> oh wow
[18:31] <GroupO> we almost have the data string we are sending back finialised
[18:31] <jcoxon> notam all setup etc
[18:31] <GroupO> notam?
[18:31] <jcoxon> permission to launch
[18:32] <GroupO> yeh, sorted
[18:32] <jcoxon> Notice To Air Men
[18:32] <GroupO> ahh yeh, CAA forms filled and returned
[18:32] <jcoxon> cool
[18:32] <jcoxon> where is the launch site?
[18:32] <GroupO> Cumnock, Ayrshire
[18:33] <GroupO> just south of Glasgow
[18:33] <jcoxon> cool
[18:33] <m1x10> jcoxon: http://imagebin.org/144141
[18:33] <GroupO> I have put some of the deatils on the UKHAS website
[18:33] Action: fsphil s tracking sense is tingling
[18:33] <jcoxon> excellent
[18:33] <m1x10> wrong
[18:33] <m1x10> jcoxon: http://imagebin.org/144154
[18:33] <GroupO> I was hpoping that there will be a bit of interest in it, its our first attempt at a launch and I dont entirely trust myself with the traking
[18:33] <jcoxon> m1x10, nice
[18:34] <m1x10> jcoxon: I need the google maps api code which draws the path
[18:34] <jonsowman> GroupO: I'll put it in the channel topic, and I suggest you send an email to the UKHAS mailing list
[18:34] <GroupO> hoping that a few people would be about and looking/listening :)
[18:34] <fsphil> I will certainly get things setup here
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[18:35] <m1x10> hi phil
[18:35] <fsphil> o/
[18:35] <jcoxon> GroupO, not too many people registered in that area (paritally cause its not close to other flights)
[18:35] <jcoxon> might need to recruit a few
[18:35] <jcoxon> once everything is ready to role it might be worth emailing southgatearc
[18:35] <GroupO> hmm ok,
[18:36] <jcoxon> as that news site is read by lots of amateur radio guts
[18:36] <jcoxon> guys*
[18:36] <jcoxon> who could be willing to help out
[18:36] <m1x10> is natrium42 sleeping in canada?
[18:36] <jcoxon> actually i think natrium42 is currently in california
[18:36] <GroupO> ok, i will look
[18:36] <GroupO> can I just google them\/
[18:36] <jcoxon> http://www.southgatearc.org/
[18:36] <jcoxon> can submit a story at the bottom
[18:37] <m1x10> california?
[18:37] <jcoxon> USA
[18:37] <m1x10> i thought his lives in canada
[18:37] <jcoxon> he does
[18:37] <jcoxon> but i think he is visiting
[18:37] <m1x10> aaa
[18:37] <jcoxon> GroupO, get in touch when you have finalised your telem string
[18:37] <jcoxon> and i'll sort hte xml
[18:37] <jcoxon> right bbl
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[18:39] <fsphil> GroupO, weekend launch or weekday?
[18:40] <GroupO> week day, sadly - its through university so logistically its better suited
[18:40] <fsphil> aah fair enough
[18:41] <GroupO> aiming for this thursday hopefully
[18:41] <fsphil> I'll be at work but will be able to vnc into the machine at home
[18:42] <m1x10> anyway
[18:42] <m1x10> cu guys!
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[18:43] <jonsowman> GroupO: what's the project name?
[18:44] <GroupO> probably jst go with "STRATHAB1"
[18:44] <GroupO> original\
[18:44] <GroupO> :\
[18:44] <GroupO> fsphil: yeh that would be kl
[18:45] <GroupO> i guess most of the people looking at this stuff are based in south of england?
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Many of them.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> There is one in wales, one in ireland.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> And some in canada, australia, and far-off places.
[18:47] <SamSilver> South Africa
[18:48] <SamSilver> g night all > bed and book calling
[18:48] <fsphil> night SamSilver
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[18:49] <jonsowman> GroupO: okay
[18:49] <NigeyS> hmm
[18:50] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - STRATHAB1 launch 24/03/11 from Cummnock, Ayrshire
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[18:50] <jonsowman> bbiab
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[18:52] <fsphil> oooh that tickles!
[18:52] <NigeyS> lol
[18:52] <NigeyS> google it, see if you can make any sense of it cause to me its contencious at best !
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> It just means that you can't comb the hairs on your balls flat.
[18:53] <NigeyS> lmao
[18:55] <fsphil> or stressing over black holes too much will cause hair loss
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[18:58] <MNSP> Hello all :)
[19:01] <natrium42> o/
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[19:02] <Zuph> Stupid balloons
[19:04] <fsphil> black holes are weird
[19:06] <Zuph> Yes they are
[19:08] <hibby> it never fails to amuse me how affected by temperature the ntx-2 is
[19:09] <fsphil> hehe, yep. you can use it as a temperature sensor :)
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[19:11] <GroupO> jonsowman: I was taking to jcoxon and he said to send him my telemetry string to him
[19:12] <GroupO> i see he isnt on, can I send it to you for the purposes of setting up spacenear.us\/
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[19:18] <mattltm> Hi all :)
[19:18] <fsphil> ehho
[19:18] <mattltm> Hi fsphil :)
[19:19] <mattltm> http://www.cheap-thermocam.tk/
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[19:20] <fsphil> nice
[19:20] <mattltm> Looks like fun.
[19:20] <fsphil> I had a similar idea once, but with a wifi antenna
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[19:20] <fsphil> make a 2.4ghz picture
[19:20] <mattltm> Like a wifi heat map?
[19:21] <fsphil> basically -- with a different colour for each channel
[19:22] <mattltm> nice.
[19:22] <fsphil> needs a really high gain antenna though
[19:22] <mattltm> i would guess so.
[19:24] <fsphil> unless there's another way to narrow it's view
[19:26] <mattltm> Be interesting to ues 3 and triangulate AP's
[19:27] <mattltm> Right. Im going to do battle with this NTX2.
[19:31] <fsphil> careful, those ntx2's can bite!
[19:32] <hibby> don't change the local temperature too much either, it might give you a different frequency!
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[19:44] <mattltm> Hum...
[19:45] <mattltm> So a 10K across the TXD and +5V gets me back on track!
[19:45] <fsphil> sweet
[19:45] <mattltm> still a little off though.
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[19:45] <fsphil> how many resistors are you using?
[19:46] <mattltm> 2K2 and 18K on one pin.
[19:46] <mattltm> 27K on the other.
[19:46] <mattltm> was working fine on the BBlike that
[19:46] <mattltm> Back in 20 mins. Got a job to do...
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:11] <fsphil> hiya LL
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[20:15] <fsphil> fun fun :)
[20:15] <fsphil> how's things over yonder Lunar_Lander?
[20:15] <MrCraig> Update: Board soldered, tests: the gps data gets to the chip (pass) the chip output is outputting hab strings (pass) receive the signal in dl-fldigi (fail). Instead of the usual sound I'm hearing almost a squeel. Checked the resistor network and it seems ok. Going out for food now but when I get back I'll test the potential divider :-) baby steps
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK, thanks fsphil
[20:18] <natrium42> hello mr. lunar lan der
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[20:19] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOT2_Z-GIE&feature=player_embedded
[20:22] <natrium42> Laurenceb: http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/181063-1/Friday_50cent_Bert.gif
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42 :)
[20:33] <natrium42> hello herr lander
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:35] <mattltm> Looks like its NXT2 night :@)
[20:35] <fsphil> epic win?
[20:35] <mattltm> not done anything else yet
[20:35] <fsphil> aah
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> I found something cool
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/131421
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> for firefox
[20:36] <fsphil> btw -- this fishing pole, do the segments lock in any way?
[20:36] <mattltm> Not sure that bridging the +5V and the TXD with a 10K is the best solution.
[20:36] <mattltm> fsphil: Friction
[20:36] <fsphil> ta -- though so, but I could picture the whole thing collapsing when I had it fully extended
[20:37] <fsphil> I'm using 3.3v with the ntx2 and only one pin, but it needs a 22k resistor between the 3.3v and TXD
[20:37] <mattltm> Na. mine holds up well. If i'm keeping it up for a while I put a turn of tape on the join.
[20:37] <fsphil> good idea -- I'm going to put it up just temporary tonight
[20:38] <mattltm> And what values do you have on the output pins?
[20:38] <fsphil> just the one pin, and it's 2.2k
[20:38] <fsphil> that gives me very close to 350hz shift
[20:38] <fsphil> but for 5v it would probably need to be larger resistors
[20:40] <mattltm> I get a 480hz shift at the moment.
[20:40] <mattltm> But it's still not right.
[20:41] <mattltm> Im gona bread board it again and see where im going wrong..
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> mattltm catch me later
[20:41] <fsphil> try with just the two resistors and one pin, it *in theory* should be easier
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> RE: ATC
[20:42] <mattltm> Ok Dan.
[20:42] <mattltm> fsphil: How do you mean?
[20:42] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/kleef.png
[20:43] <fsphil> (not those values though -- you'll need to experiment)
[20:43] <mattltm> Will taht work with an Arduino?
[20:43] <fsphil> yea, it's what I'm using (well, plain avr at 3.3v, not arduino)
[20:43] <mattltm> Have you got a code sample?
[20:43] <fsphil> I don't know what it will do at 5v
[20:44] <fsphil> same code
[20:44] <fsphil> just don't have to set the second pin
[20:44] <mattltm> I see.
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rubidium-Atomic-Frequency-standard-FE-5680A-Series-/270687765383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f063f8387 - the way to fix ntx2 drift?
[20:46] <fsphil> not at that price
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[20:46] <fsphil> a lot simpler to regulate the temperature
[20:46] <Darkside> you'd need to use a very stable 86MHz crystal to fix the NTX2s drift
[20:46] <Darkside> *very* stable
[20:47] <Darkside> all the frequency errors from the crystal get multiplied 5 times
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[20:51] <mattltm> Ok. Its a good job that I have a bag full of NTX2's :p
[20:51] <mattltm> This one my get airborne sooner that it thinks!
[20:52] <russss> I like the way it's a "Rubidium Physics Package"
[20:52] <russss> inside that box somewhere, is physics.
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/131421 does anybody know the big equation in the middle? the one with the indices my and ny
[20:53] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: http://ecorenovator.org/diy-ground-source-heat-pump-part-3-improved-drilling-rig/
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> M1M2/rr?
[20:55] <Laurenceb> heh
[20:57] <mattltm> Hum.
[20:58] <mattltm> Samp components
[20:58] <mattltm> Same components
[20:58] <mattltm> On a bread board
[20:58] <mattltm> did work but now not working!
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder how such things happen
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Interesting - I've been thinking of the same sort of thing, based around some 3.5m 8cm dia pipes I have
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> There is a sandstone/granite pan at ~2m though
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[21:10] <mattltm> Got it!!
[21:10] <mattltm> Yay!
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[21:11] <mattltm> Better solder it up before it changes its mind!
[21:12] <mattltm> Perfect 425 shift :)
[21:15] <Laurenceb> yeah massive borehole is nice if you can do it
[21:20] <NigeyS> arse
[21:22] <NigeyS> ping mattltm
[21:28] <mattltm> Hi Nigey :)
[21:28] <NigeyS> hey dude
[21:29] <NigeyS> did those PTR changes go through ?
[21:29] <mattltm> I guess so. Not had anything back from RIPE.
[21:29] <NigeyS> hmm weird
[21:29] <mattltm> Is your domain admin contact up to date?
[21:30] <NigeyS> yups, and forward dns is running fine, just reverse is still erroring
[21:30] <mattltm> Odd. I'll check it out tomorrow for youif you like.
[21:30] <fsphil> hmpf .. still S8 noise with the 10m vertical but some stronger signals at least - and I can hear a few people on 20m
[21:30] <NigeyS> sure that'd be cool
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[21:31] <mattltm> fsphil: you got a balun in?
[21:31] <fsphil> yea, put a 1:1 at the base
[21:31] <mattltm> Oh - and I got the NTX2 working :)
[21:31] <mattltm> Try a 4:1
[21:31] <fsphil> fantastic
[21:31] <mattltm> may be better
[21:31] <fsphil> what did you change to get it going?
[21:32] <mattltm> Diferent resister value
[21:32] <mattltm> I now have a 27K on one pin and a 2k2 and 22k on the other.
[21:33] <mattltm> Perfect 425 shift.
[21:33] <mattltm> All soldered up too :)
[21:33] <mattltm> Now to start on the gps module :p
[21:35] <fsphil> one battle is over, but the war continues :)
[21:35] <mattltm> lol. I don't think anyone has used this gps yet.
[21:35] <fsphil> eek
[21:35] <mattltm> Just to make it a bit more interesting :)
[21:36] <fsphil> that's a bit of a risk
[21:36] <mattltm> Should be simples :p
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:36] <NigeyS> which 1 is it ?
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> don't turn it into a toaster!
[21:36] <fsphil> a toaster?
[21:36] <mattltm> lol
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that once was a joke in a sitcom
[21:36] <mattltm> It's the Venus
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> the dad wanted to repair the VCR because the service was too expensive in his eyes
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> and he asks his son if the red-blue wires go into port A, B or C
[21:37] <mattltm> Not that worried as this payload won't fly anywhere anyway.
[21:37] <hibby> mattltm: what gps is it?
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> and then his son reads: "Plug the red-blue wires into Port A"
[21:37] <mattltm> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=518
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> and dad does it and sparks fly
[21:37] <mattltm> That one
[21:37] <fsphil> I like the Homer Simpson version -- tried to fix the toaster, ends up making a time machine
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> and he reads on: "And your toasts will be roasted evenly on both sides"
[21:38] <fsphil> I don't think the venus works above a certain altitude
[21:38] <hibby> cool stuff
[21:39] <mattltm> fsphil: Not that it matters to me as it wont be a flying payload but the newer firmware has fixed that problem.
[21:39] <mattltm> Aparantly.
[21:39] <fsphil> aah cool -- I got one here but that was a few years ago
[21:39] <fsphil> didn't know they'd fixed it
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[21:39] <mattltm> Maybe when I am done with the board for testing, you could fly it and see :)
[21:40] <fsphil> so it's one of these ground-based high altitude payloads?
[21:40] Action: hibby 's next goal is to adapt something ublox based into an aprs "all in one box" likely using a couple of AVRs and some sort of custom radio
[21:40] <fsphil> absolutely - I can attach it to the next hadie flight
[21:41] <mattltm> Lol. Not sure it will be working by then let alone finished with!
[21:41] <fsphil> that's a month away so you'll be fine :p
[21:42] <mattltm> OK, so where do I start with this?
[21:42] <mattltm> Power, check.
[21:43] <fsphil> actually three weeks -- yikes I better hurry myself
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[21:45] <fsphil> knowing the way the wind works, it might even land near you
[21:46] <mattltm> lol
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[21:49] <mattltm> So where do I start with getting data from this thing?
[21:49] <mattltm> I guess the TX on the GPs?
[21:49] <NigeyS> tx from gps to rx on the avr
[21:49] <fsphil> yea
[21:50] <fsphil> if you're not commanding it at all, that's all you really need
[21:50] <fsphil> what voltage is the venus running at?
[21:50] <NigeyS> 2.7 - 3.3 iirc
[21:50] <mattltm> 3.3
[21:50] <fsphil> aah
[21:50] <fsphil> well GPS TX -> AVR RX will be fine
[21:51] <fsphil> the opposite might not be
[21:51] <mattltm> so pin ) on my arduino?
[21:52] <NigeyS> you should have an rx0 pin on the arduino
[21:52] <mattltm> Yup. pin 0
[21:52] <mattltm> Lets see how this goes...
[21:52] <NigeyS> then just fire up the serial console and you should see it spitting something out
[21:54] <fsphil> isn't rx0 on the arduino connected to the pc serial too?
[21:55] <NigeyS> think so
[21:57] <mattltm> Hum. Dosent like the code :(
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[22:09] <Zuph> ping natrium42
[22:09] <mattltm> Ok. Thats enough for me tonight. Can't get anything to upload to the arduino so it must be bed time.
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> good night mattltm
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:10] <fsphil> the gps in rx0 is probably causing that
[22:10] <mattltm> Good point fsphil
[22:10] <fsphil> you'll probably have to use another usart (rx1?) or software serial
[22:11] <mattltm> Thats for tomorrow :)
[22:12] <mattltm> Byeeee.. :P
[22:12] <fsphil> nite!
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[22:19] <Zuph> bah, where are people when I need them? :-p
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:21] <fsphil> people are overrated :)
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[22:22] <MrCraig> Soldered up flight computer working :-) Transmitting data! The todo list lessens!
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:22] <fsphil> woohoo!
[22:23] <MrCraig> woot!! the solder job is a hideaous one lol - quite possibly the worst I've ever done with the exception of a logic probe back in college - but it works, I'll hide the bunders with a box or covering.
[22:23] <MrCraig> That's what happens if you solder on narcotics and use too big a bit.
[22:23] <Laurenceb> photo photo
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> Don't solder on narcotics.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> Use a bench or something.
[22:24] <MrCraig> photo's in a couple mins - but the solder job doesn't go on the blog, only here lol
[22:24] <MrCraig> SpeedEvil: the most minor of the narcotics, high dose of codine - prescribed, relax anyone who wondered :)
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> I'm currently on nonprescribed codein/paracetamol.
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> (half a tablet, I've run out of vanilla paracetamol)
[22:26] <Laurenceb> hookers as well?
[22:26] <hibby> http://sites.google.com/site/ki4mcw/Home/arduino-tnc <== got this working, finally. Been reading the code too... It's wonderfully written!
[22:26] <MrCraig> The two of those are dangerous together, but in such small doses should be fine for a short period. (starting to talk like the other half, nursey)
[22:42] Action: SpeedEvil just got a free 433MHz radio.
[22:42] <hibby> yum
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> Eon energy-saving monitor
[22:42] <fsphil> apt-get
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/powerr.png :)
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> your suggestion with the auto-warn for the yaesu worked
[22:43] <fsphil> oooh have you found one?
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> the one was 125 euros, the other like 300 euros
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> that is for th 790R
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> but I think that this stabo I have now will work as well
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> after all, it has USB/LSB and can listen in the range we need
[22:44] <fsphil> 125 euro is roughtly about right
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[22:44] <fsphil> though sometimes they are a bit cheaper
[22:44] <fsphil> but not often
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> but as I said
[22:44] <fsphil> yea the scanner should work fine
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> it's sad that your GPS failed
[22:45] <fsphil> yea, after everything else working
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> because GW8RAK (was that his callsign?) had a yupiteru mvt-7100 he wanted to test on your balloon
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> how good it could receive it
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> and the mvt-7100 is equal to the stabo XR100
[22:46] <fsphil> he may get a chance this week if the strathab1 launch goes ahead
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:46] <fsphil> and the next apex flight is coming up soon too I think
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[22:48] <NigeyS> hello Dan .. and Dan :|
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> ni NigeyS
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> ha
[22:48] <Dan-K2VOL> brb, killing this dan
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[22:48] <NigeyS> Identity crisis? :P
[22:48] <MrCraig> ok - brb, switching to relaxed chair :-)
[22:48] <fsphil> I like the idea of there being a panic chair
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> Apex III?
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw, MESSENGER is in Orbit!
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: With one of the legs half-sawn-through.
[22:50] <MrCraig> lol fsphil - well I was panicing
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[22:50] <fsphil> no pics Lunar_Lander :)
[22:50] Action: fsphil wants a new background
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> camera melted?
[22:51] <fsphil> I wouldn't be surprised .. it's pretty toasty there
[22:51] <fsphil> not sure why the delay -- the first photos are not for a few days yet
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> the website says "MESSENGER Science Phase begins April 4"
[22:52] <russss> I think they want to get the orbit dialed in before they boot up the camera
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> "First Orbital Image Planned for March 29"
[22:54] <russss> I hope it works. It would be a bit of a bugger spending 7 years waiting for it and then it doesn't turn on.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> Yeah. They are hiding the landing.
[22:54] <fsphil> be a good place to fake the moon landing...
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> They have to land, take the ground images, and then get back into orbit for the publically released ones.
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> It is a neat mission
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> and soon there will be Apex III?
[22:58] <fsphil> early next month according to the last twitter message
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[23:22] <MrCraig> http://www.craigchapman.me.uk/artemis/index.html <-- if the chip looks lose that's because it is, for removal and reprogramming - and I know the solder job is hideous, at least one point I'm going to repair - but it works!
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[23:23] <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
[23:23] <MrCraig> Thanks :-))
[23:23] Action: SpeedEvil loves the web0.01 website.
[23:24] <MrCraig> lol - I didn't put a blog post up yet, so threw it together just to show the pics to you guys.... see that 10 lines of html, I did that just for you.
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> found something funny
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> "window - All kind of radiations including radiation (UV) that can cause skin cancer if exposion is too long. This big yellow thing in the sky (aka the Sun) is an evil, evil radiation emitter.
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> walls - contain Radon which is radioactive
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> In other words: Radiation - you have no fucking clue..."
[23:25] <MrCraig> lol
[23:25] <MrCraig> is that from the website of the guy who thinks the nibu are coming back to earth when the large hadron collider punches a hole in some sheild that's keeping them out?
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> now that is from a physicist who had a stay at a "radiation-free hotel"
[23:26] <MrCraig> aaah
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> and he had the idea to put up signs in the hotel which read that
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> because
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> the hotel had light switches, microwave ovens and CRT TVs
[23:26] <MrCraig> sleep in a faraday cage 5*?
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD no, the hotel was normal in any case
[23:28] <MrCraig> shame, I'd actually like to visit a faraday hotel, keep those damn wifi scanners at bay.
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> from a website that sells radiation-proof clothes for pregnant women
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> "Computer, TV, Stereo, Microwave oven, fridge, Mobile phone, Switching room and power station are among the most common sources of electromagnetic radiation. When electromagnetic wave passes the fabric, its energy is reduced by a minimum of 99.9%. The garments are wash resistant, soft, comfortable, fashionable, easy to use, good for home expecting mothers and physically weak people and for commercial and industrial locations."
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> I, for one, rarely microwave pregnant women.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> At least, until I get my big microwave working again.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> http://twitter.com/#!/TheRealBuzz
[23:30] <MrCraig> yeah, so hurtful to microwave the pregnant ones.
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_npmv=3&_trksid=m570&_nkw=stainless+mesh also
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm currently trying to resist buying shit on ebay.
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[23:34] <MrCraig> Couple of quick questions for you then, to keep you occupied for about 30 seconds. I have a caddy with 4 AAA's in, should I bother buying a AA caddy instead? Likely to get more duration from AA's? Also, the antenna cable I bought is a bit long (as in 2 meters when it needs perhaps 10 inches) and therefore weighs a little, can you see any harm or any worth in cutting it down to length (which I'd do by soldering two en
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> AA has about three times the capacity
[23:35] <MrCraig> AA it is then, I have two voltage regulators on there because of the slightly voltage hungry PIC
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> But it depends.
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> Do you get the battery life you need with AAA?
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> AA is obviously heavier
[23:38] <Dan-K2VOL1> any spacenearus people on?
[23:38] <MrCraig> well, I've not actually tested duration yet - having built the board I plan to test it tomorrow on some lithiums from sainsburry
[23:38] <Dan-K2VOL1> jcoxon, natrium42?
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[23:39] <MrCraig> I'm testing the camera life at the same time, possibly with shooting (owing to the fact that saving images will cost on the cpu)
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[23:39] <MrCraig> and at those prices, that's probably £15 worth of cells for testing
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[23:56] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: SpacePort Indiana launch station comms check complete- Mumble VOIP-FRS gateway: GO. HF Telem station using DL-FLDIGI SPACEPORTIN: GO #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/49982700400029697]
[23:58] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: @mrdoornbos We just checked voice/data com link to the launch site 70 mi from LVL1 Mission control, prep for flight later this week! #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/49983202772779008]
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