highaltitude.log.20110319

[00:00] <Upu> We've been watching it all day
[00:00] <Upu> was a bet at work
[00:00] <Upu> Russians
[00:00] <NigeyS> dam i was about to say chinese
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[00:01] <Upu> we had it on monitoring box as well, which lit up like a christmas tree as they setup 8 VNC instances
[00:02] <fsphil> ah, they got it through the root password then?
[00:02] <Upu> yeah
[00:02] <fsphil> phew :)
[00:02] <Upu> it wasn't a compromise
[00:02] <Upu> it was in a VM
[00:02] <fsphil> I installed Redhat 4.1 to try that once, but I couldn't get the thing on the network
[00:02] <Upu> we were just looking at the "back ground radiation" of constant scans the other day
[00:03] <jcoxon> fsphil, built in firewall - the inability to actually connect to the internet
[00:03] <Upu> loads of SIP attacks but lots of random attempts to login using root
[00:03] <fsphil> jcoxon, it's the best kind!
[00:03] <Upu> I like my hardware firewalls
[00:03] <fsphil> I've a pretty cryptic password, but it's a good reason to start using keys instead of password
[00:04] <Upu> yeah keys are the good
[00:04] <Upu> unless you forget your key ring password
[00:04] <fsphil> nobody does that :p
[00:04] <Upu> I did :/
[00:04] <Upu> Used it every day for 6 months
[00:04] <SpeedEvil> This is why your keyring password should always be password
[00:04] <fsphil> haha
[00:04] <Upu> it was FamilyMan and some digits at the end of it
[00:05] <Upu> and one day
[00:05] <Upu> I just forgot the digits
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> Brute force it.
[00:05] <Upu> nah there was 5 after that
[00:05] <Upu> Was due for a change
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> 5 digits is not many
[00:05] <Upu> yeah I know
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> At one per second, that's only a day
[00:05] <Upu> I tried that Elcomsoft thingy with the GEforce
[00:06] <Upu> not funny the speed that can chew through passwords
[00:06] <Zuph> jcoxon: You happen to have a copy of the emulator compiled for windows? :-P
[00:06] <Upu> anyway sorry HAB channel I'm pushing it off topic :)
[00:06] <Upu> leave you all too it, night all
[00:07] <fsphil> ah no worried, we where chatting about amigas earlier ;-)
[00:07] <Upu> lol
[00:07] <fsphil> HAB amigas .. yea. ..
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> Amigas can be on-topic!
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> Need a large balloon tho.
[00:07] <fsphil> a600 motherboard is fairly light
[00:07] <fsphil> sound chip could do psk31 easily enough
[00:07] <jcoxon> Zuph, my last windows computer ran Windows ME
[00:08] <jcoxon> :-p
[00:08] <jcoxon> that emulator is posix
[00:08] <fsphil> you ran winme?
[00:08] <fsphil> willingly?
[00:08] <Zuph> Our balloon debug computer is Windows :(
[00:08] <NigeyS> slap him!
[00:08] <jcoxon> fsphil, hence why i don't run windows
[00:08] <fsphil> ah
[00:09] <fsphil> mate of mine liked winme
[00:09] <fsphil> scary stuff
[00:10] <Zuph> With friends like that...
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[00:12] <LazyLeopard> That was the Milennium Edition, so called because it had a milennium's worth of extra bugs, yes?
[00:20] <fsphil> seemed like it
[00:21] <fsphil> was around that time I moved to linux properly
[00:22] <MrCraig> aah now it makes sense. If you'd stuck it out just a little longer, WinNT based Win2k came along and made it not worth while switching to linux properly :-P (flaming troll!!!)
[00:23] <fsphil> I use xp at work, I know what I'm missing :)
[00:23] <Zuph> ping jcoxon
[00:23] <jcoxon> hey Zuph
[00:24] <MrCraig> hehe actually with XP you don't really - Windows 7 is far superior and has many of the features you'd have expected a commercial OS&Desktop to have had a decade ago (as most linux variants did) - MS seem to be learning from the linux world.
[00:24] Action: jcoxon uses OS X
[00:25] <MrCraig> too late for the day of the 1 button mouse jokes now jcoxon?
[00:25] <fsphil> I try to like OS X but it's just ... I dunno.
[00:25] <jcoxon> MrCraig, don't use a mouse
[00:25] <jcoxon> quiksilver all the way :-)
[00:25] <MrCraig> :-) fair enough
[00:26] <jcoxon> i like it for the fact that i have a nice terminal but also is graphically good
[00:26] <fsphil> predictions all next week are still rubbish
[00:26] <MrCraig> actually, a co-worker had a mac which looked very impressive all in brushed gunmetal grey and with a glossy desktop I was quite impressed, until I learned about the cost per MIP ratio.
[00:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:26] <jcoxon> i've got a G5 apple desktop case still
[00:27] <jcoxon> the one i rescued from london hackspace
[00:27] <jcoxon> still need to rebuild that
[00:27] <jcoxon> the issue is that i have no real use for it
[00:27] <MrCraig> but it looks pretty right?
[00:27] <fsphil> I love the look of the machines
[00:27] <fsphil> my mac mini looks great on the desktop
[00:27] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:28] <MrCraig> as far as I see it, so far that's the story of apple. no real use for it but it looks pretty.
[00:28] <MrCraig> no offence intended
[00:28] <fsphil> well I got to run linux PPC :)
[00:28] <MrCraig> but it's clear their marketing is that way - I've even considered buying an ipad but I have no clue why.
[00:28] <jcoxon> oh i'm not a fanboy
[00:28] <jcoxon> MrCraig, same here
[00:28] <jcoxon> no real use for it
[00:29] <MrCraig> You know the only thing I could think of? Mounting it in some way to my shower room wall so I could check my meetings and emails in the morning - but erm, I live 2 minutes from the office on foot.
[00:30] <MrCraig> fsphil, tried that on PS2 - that was an erm, interesting experience too lol
[00:31] <fsphil> ah, I forgot the PS used to run linux
[00:31] <MrCraig> Personally - I'm happy with windows, I just wish someone would port every linux package to it.
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[00:32] <MrCraig> I have to add though, I have an irrational (or is it) hatred of .NET
[00:32] <fsphil> all the performance of java gui apps
[00:34] <MrCraig> *nods - but targeted at desktop and even at gaming via xna - who wants to run performance software on a stack based virtual machine? The arguments I get are "well cpu cycles are cheap these days." eerrm yeah but just think how much more you could do if you used them natively or at least with a register based virtual machine.
[00:35] <MrCraig> and C# is a butchering of C++ in an attempt to make it more delphi-like (not least of the reasons I'm sure because the man that designed the syntax under MS's watchful eye was the same man who invented delphi in the first place - Anders)
[00:35] <fsphil> the core c# ain't bad, but it seems to be suffering from bloat these days
[00:37] <MrCraig> :-/ the syntax was poor to start with me thinks. Firstly it used C/C++ style equations which are harder to parse and therefore slower - when all that's required is a shift in the order of precedence rules to make the compiler much much faster - and it has relics from those older syntaxes, like as one example, the break keyword now being required at the end of a switch statement clause. It will no longer fall throu
[00:38] <MrCraig> apologies, I seem to have spammed the channel off topic :-/ it's late and I'm feeling a little ranty.
[00:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:39] <jcoxon> i restrained myself from announcing it was OT
[00:39] <fsphil> bah, lets all just agree VB is awful and be done with it :)
[00:39] <jcoxon> wasn't getting in the way of anything
[00:39] <MrCraig> oh totally, everyone agrees on that one.
[00:39] <fsphil> so anyway, predictions from here are still landing in scotland
[00:39] <fsphil> guess I'm getting the ferry :)
[00:39] <jcoxon> fsphil, perfect!
[00:40] <jcoxon> :-p
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[00:40] <fsphil> always nice to visit scotland, except when it's cold there ;-)
[00:40] <MrCraig> when is the flight?
[00:41] <SpeedEvil> Umm - how does precedence influence performance art all?
[00:41] <fsphil> not for a good while yet, have to wait for the caa
[00:41] <SpeedEvil> Oh - compiler performance - debatab.e
[00:41] <fsphil> but I've asked for a month this time, so should definitely get at least one good day. maybe
[00:42] <MrCraig> SpeedEvil: it's a parsing issue with regards to back stepping in the compiler. Crenshaw's tutorials detail it about chapter 9/10 I think (google Jack Crenshaw for a sort of parsers for dummies level tut series)
[00:42] <fsphil> odds are it will snow that entire month *g*
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[00:43] <jcoxon> fsphil, i've finished all the hardware for my spot hack
[00:43] <fsphil> tested and working?
[00:43] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:43] <MrCraig> it'd be good to meet up in a coffee shop before / pub after flight.
[00:43] <fsphil> cool -- what method did you use in the end?
[00:43] <jcoxon> just need to clean up the code a bit
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> MrCraig: ah
[00:43] <jcoxon> fsphil, so i've got a arduino which does the hardware serial part, injecting nmea
[00:44] <jcoxon> and then the flight computer passes the gps data over i2c
[00:44] <fsphil> it's pretending to be the spot's gps?
[00:44] <jcoxon> yes
[00:44] <fsphil> ah - two avrs
[00:45] <jcoxon> sadly so, software serial was too unreliable
[00:45] <fsphil> would you consider switching to another avr with more usarts?
[00:45] <Zuph> Yeah, the 324p really isn't a change from the 328
[00:45] <jcoxon> if everything wasn't all fabbed up :-)
[00:46] <fsphil> aah
[00:46] <Zuph> hah
[00:46] <jcoxon> actually its turned out to be better
[00:46] <jcoxon> the spot arduino can do all the monitoring
[00:46] <jcoxon> runs off the spots batteries
[00:47] <fsphil> oh, btw did you see the gps module earthshine has? it's got a fantastic sleep mode
[00:47] <jcoxon> i used a very similar module on ballasthalo 1 and 2
[00:47] <jcoxon> ublox 4 are great as you don't have to set their mode
[00:48] <jcoxon> so will work above 12km what ever
[00:48] <fsphil> ah - I was wondering what version it was
[00:48] <fsphil> ublox 5 has that flaw too thoguh
[00:48] <fsphil> though
[00:48] <jcoxon> oh mean thats the difference
[00:48] <fsphil> I wonder why the newer chip can't sleep in the same way
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[00:50] <russss> beginning to get a hang of this telescope thing http://www.flickr.com/photos/russss/5538750122/lightbox/
[00:50] <fsphil> shiny
[00:51] <russss> there is still distortion on that and I can't really work out why
[00:51] <fsphil> reminds me, I meant to see if the solar panels are generating any current with the full moon
[00:52] <russss> heh
[00:52] <russss> it's pretty bright
[00:52] <fsphil> *grabs multimeter*
[00:52] <SpeedEvil> The moon emits 10% of the incident light.
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> Out of that light, a 0.5 degree cone hits earth.
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> This is about 1/600000th I think of solar input if I'm doing the maths right.
[00:54] <MrCraig> cold, tired, a little hungry, and a nagging ache still in my jaw. I think that's known as bed time at 1am on a saturday morning. Goodnight all.
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> Maybe 100uW/m^2 at 15%
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> Night!
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[00:58] <fsphil> brrr freezing
[00:58] <fsphil> anyway, 0.18v and 0.001ma open circuit
[00:59] <fsphil> doubt it would even light an led
[01:00] <SpeedEvil> How much area?
[01:01] <fsphil> good question - not sure, but it can product about 450w in sunlight
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> Probably 0.5m^2ish then
[01:06] Action: SpeedEvil ponders
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> I suppose output voltage ill scale with the log current
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> 60mV drop for every decade
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> That's actually not a bad match for 0.18V
[01:07] <SpeedEvil> Oh - oops - not one cell
[01:09] <fsphil> no, 8
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> I suppose impurities will screw it up.
[01:11] <fsphil> each panel has a diode, probably killing the voltage
[01:14] <fsphil> a small panel might actually product more power in low light
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle if you had a concentrator, you might get better results.
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> I wish I could find some cheapish concentrator cells.
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> I'd quite like to make a solar 'tree'
[01:25] <griffonbot> @kc0mwm: Look for live video coverage tomorrow morning around 8:30 CDT of NSTAR balloon launch http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cnnsp #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/kc0mwm/status/48917929936429056]
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[06:12] <rjharrison> Morng all
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[07:38] <rjharrison> ping natrium42 you in bed sir
[07:38] <jcoxon> morning rjharrison
[07:39] <rjharrison> Hey jcoxon
[07:39] <rjharrison> Looks like a nice day is upon us
[07:39] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:39] <rjharrison> You still interested in High Split access
[07:39] <jcoxon> only if its no hassle
[07:39] <rjharrison> The med dept a leeds can get us a login apparently
[07:39] <rjharrison> Leeds.ac.uk
[07:40] <rjharrison> DM is still been a pain over Elvington
[07:40] <juxta|console> hi jcoxon, rjharrison
[07:40] <jcoxon> why so much trouble about hte NOTAM?
[07:40] <rjharrison> Hey juxta just trying to get the last bit of the tracker working then I'll roll it
[07:40] <jcoxon> morning juxta|console
[07:42] <juxta|console> heya Rob, no worries :)
[07:42] <juxta|console> what's new in the UK?
[07:46] <juxta|console> rjharrison, jcoxon - I've been playing with BBC iplayer in the last few days
[07:46] <jcoxon> juxta|console, uhuh
[07:46] <juxta|console> I'm a bit jealous as to how much content you guys have
[07:46] <jcoxon> its pretty damn amazing
[07:46] <juxta|console> hulu too
[07:46] <jcoxon> i like the live stream on iplayer, high quality
[07:47] <juxta|console> we have something similar to iplayer here run by the ABC - but it's nowhere near as good as iplayer
[07:47] <juxta|console> yes, those live streams, rather pesky to proxy :)
[08:15] <shenki> not that bad to proxy ;)
[08:15] Action: shenki did it for the second half of the F1 season last year
[08:17] <shenki> run get_iplayer on the remote box with ssh, and pipe the video to std out on the remote machine, then get mplayer to read it from stdin
[08:27] <Upu> morning
[08:27] <rjharrison> Hi Upu, nice day for radio testing
[08:28] <Upu> yeah its lovely
[08:28] <Upu> give me two weeks and should be able to actually speak back
[08:28] <Upu> did my practicals last night
[08:28] <Upu> err Thursday
[08:28] <rjharrison> Lol cool
[08:28] <Upu> Apparently going "19 for a copy" isn't the done thing at the radio club
[08:29] <rjharrison> hehe
[08:29] <Upu> so CAA not going well ?
[08:30] <rjharrison> I'v just send them my last pleading email before I move to the Education Minister with the backing of the BBC and I'm going to see if the UK space agency can give them a nudge too
[08:30] <Upu> did you meet up in London ?
[08:30] <rjharrison> So a few options open there for a bit of serious persuasion
[08:31] <rjharrison> He's resisiting setting a date on that
[08:31] <Upu> ok is he just not responding or is he saying no ?
[08:31] <rjharrison> We had penciled in for this comming week
[08:32] <rjharrison> that's the annoy bit he keeps saying yes he'll get on with it but then never delivers
[08:32] <Upu> yeah its not like this hasn't been there for 6 months +
[08:33] <rjharrison> Apologies for the delay in responding to your recent e-mails. I have been covering one of my colleague's desks for the last 2 weeks (and will be doing so again next week), so my own work has been suffering somewhat. In answer to your question, yes, I think that a single launch NOTAM would be more acceptable to the local airspace users. I will endeavour to give this some more thought
[08:33] <rjharrison> next week
[08:33] <rjharrison> this was from January by feeling being that once we have one out of the way applying for more will be easier
[08:33] <rjharrison> by = my
[08:34] <rjharrison> This has been running since May 17th 2010
[08:34] <Upu> yeah thats not really an acceptable response
[08:35] <Upu> I'll wait a few more weeks then I might start looking to launch from somewhere down south
[08:35] <rjharrison> So I'm thinking perhaps a nudge from some other departments might be in order. Esp. as the MOD's biggest complaint is about launches that are done without NOTAMS
[08:36] <rjharrison> the risk is assumed to be equivalent to a bird strike and however popular hab becomes there are always going to be more birds out there than balloons
[08:36] <jcoxon> you been chatting with the MOD?
[08:38] <rjharrison> I did think the MOD might allow me to by past the CAA as they have there own rules for producing NOTAMS :-)
[08:38] <rjharrison> No the MOD response is from the airspace incidents I read from eroomde
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[08:38] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[08:38] <jcoxon> i remeber
[08:39] <rjharrison> that is why radar reflectors are not recommended as they are seen as more of a problem than a solution should a strike occure
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[08:40] <rjharrison> though one wonders how bad 2x a4 card covered in tinfoil is going to be
[08:44] <rjharrison> Right sun shine says it's time to dig the veg plot and mow the grass
[08:44] <rjharrison> Oh the joys of beeing middle aged
[08:45] <jcoxon> rjharrison, i think also that they are so ineffective as well
[09:00] <natrium42> o/
[09:05] <earthshine> morning
[09:06] <natrium42> how are you, earthshine?
[09:06] <earthshine> knackered
[09:06] <earthshine> up till 3am in teh garden doing astrophotography
[09:06] <natrium42> :D
[09:07] <natrium42> astronomers live at night
[09:07] <earthshine> yeah
[09:07] <natrium42> and sleep in the day
[09:07] <earthshine> they do unless the bloody council decide to start doing roadworks in the street early on a weekend day
[09:07] <earthshine> any launches this weekend ?
[09:08] <natrium42> well, speedball-1 is launching on monday
[09:11] <natrium42> interesting --> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/03/18/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
[09:19] <natrium42> nite
[09:28] <Upu> yeah read that
[09:28] <Upu> nasty
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[10:01] <rjharrison> Ping natrium42
[10:06] <Upu> [09:19] <natrium42> nite think he went afk rjharrison
[10:06] <rjharrison> oh yeah missed that
[10:06] <rjharrison> thanks Upu
[10:06] <Upu> nps
[10:16] <rjharrison> jcoxon is that mrs coxon in your prague pics
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[10:19] <fsphil> moming all
[10:41] <Darkside> juxta: ping
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[10:55] <juxta> hey Darkside
[10:55] <juxta> was working all day today
[10:55] <Darkside> hey juxta , join the other channel
[10:55] <Darkside> heh
[10:55] <juxta> what's news re the truck?
[10:55] <Darkside> its not functional atm
[10:55] <Darkside> driver issues on the second screen
[10:56] <Darkside> and need to boost the output on the discriminator tap we installed for the dopper unit
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[11:13] <m1x10> Hi
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[12:15] <MrCraig> afternoon all
[12:19] <MrCraig> Last week I copied a software uart example from the internets and modified the baud rate generator aiming at 50 baud. I was having problems which suddenly seemed to just fix themselves, so I presumed I'd not built the previous build correctly and was happy that it started working. This week - it's not working again. If there is anyone here with PIC assembler knowledge would you mind taking a look please? http://pastebi
[12:21] <MrCraig> Also - if I switch from 50 baud up to 300baud for transmission to ground (going back to the hardware uart) will that have a significant effect on range?
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> It will reduce it.
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> How far it will reduce it is a good question.
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> The hardware UART can't go at 50 baud?
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> What if you clock it slower?
[12:22] <MrCraig> no - it's timer is 8bit only
[12:22] <griffonbot> @N9XTN: Enroute to Lincoln, looking good for NSTAR 11-A #ARHAB launch at 9. Winds SE 5-8 mph, high overcast movg in [http://twitter.com/N9XTN/status/49083365063790592]
[12:22] <fsphil> I've received 300 baud over 15km range, but with a fairly decent yagi
[12:23] <MrCraig> hmm, interesting point - if I run it slower I might get down to 75 baud - and should still function with the 4800 from the gps device
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> I would not naively expect range to decrease under a half
[12:25] <MrCraig> ok thanks - I guess I can go ahead an continue using the hardware for now - so that I can get the build done - and then work on software again later, with the one caveat that I'd need to leave the pinout lose fixed so that I can switch from the TX pin to one of the regular port pins.
[12:28] <MrCraig> fsphil - heh - remember the confidence I had last night? lol
[12:42] <jcoxon> MrCraig, sounds like using a regular port pin would be the most sensible approach
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[12:44] <MrCraig> hi jcoxon - agreed, but if I have to switch back to hwuart I don't have a choice on the pin
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[12:51] <jcoxon> true
[12:52] <jcoxon> i've always used normal pins for my rtty
[12:53] <MrCraig> That's just the problem - I'm having a problem with the sw_uart, possibly a baud timing issue.
[12:57] <jcoxon> so on the avr i just drive the pins directly
[12:57] <jcoxon> don't use software serial libs at all
[12:58] <MrCraig> I'm effectively doing the same
[12:58] <jcoxon> just working my way through each character with high and low
[12:58] <jcoxon> allows you to tune the timings nicely
[12:58] <MrCraig> I did however borrow someone elses outchar - but it's about 15 lines long and makes some sense.
[13:02] <MrCraig> looks like I have little choice but to step through the highs and lows myself.
[13:03] <jcoxon> well its an option
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[13:07] <fsphil> I'm trying to learn how to use the ADC on the avr but the datasheet has me more confused than I was
[13:12] Action: jcoxon is purchasing a polystyrene box
[13:13] <fsphil> nice
[13:14] <jcoxon> feel a bit silly having to buy a box
[13:14] <MrCraig> lol I felt the same, bought five of them
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[14:15] <Laurenceb> http://www.techlib.com/area_50/
[14:16] <MrCraig> brb
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[14:17] <Laurenceb> is whitestar still launching?
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[15:04] <MrCraig> ok. I don't think this problem I'm having is even a problem with the code (maybe I'm naive to blame something else but...) when I set the baud rate high with a tighter delay loop I have no problem, data comes in as expected. When I set it low, I get junk ascii. I've tried a couple of delays including a machine generated assembler code delay loop and none seem to be working. I have however learnt that windows API calls
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[15:14] <fsphil> maybe your pc serial can't do 50 baud
[15:16] <MrCraig> that's what I'm thinking - so I've gone on an a long shot and tried receiving it using dl-fldigi - I can see the signal but no beans.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> 18MHz/65536*8 I think
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> I forget though
[15:18] <fsphil> does it sound like rtty on the radio?
[15:18] <MrCraig> I'm not certain what rtty should sound like, but it sounds like data to me.
[15:19] <MrCraig> The signal does keep shifting though
[15:22] <m1x10> Hi there
[15:22] <fsphil> sounds a bit like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/RTTY.ogg
[15:22] <MrCraig> mi m1x10
[15:22] <m1x10> any ideas of how to implement a aprs live tracking using google maps in my pc application?
[15:22] <m1x10> how can aprs.fi help?
[15:22] <MrCraig> downloading vlc to play the ogg..
[15:22] <m1x10> Im trying to catch the idea...
[15:27] <m1x10> using web browser controls is not that nice
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> m1x10: openlayers.org ?
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> (genreal purpose javascript map viewing and stuff framework)
[15:32] <m1x10> letme check
[15:33] <m1x10> SpeedEvil: my target is to have a map in my app that shows live tracking of an object
[15:33] <m1x10> drawing a realtime line ..
[15:34] <m1x10> can that help?
[15:34] <m1x10> can openlayers.org help?
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> Was AFK.
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> It's more a browser thing, not an in-app API
[15:39] <m1x10> ok
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[16:20] <Mit123> hello
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> hello
[16:21] <Mit123> <--- is really MSP but cant login with MSP :(
[16:24] <LazyLeopard> ...someone else having pinched the nick. /whois gives [MsP] (MsP@h-163-233.A212.priv.bahnhof.se): MissP
[16:24] <Mit123> :*( oh!!!
[16:25] <LazyLeopard> Did you have the nick registered with NickServ (or whatever FreeNode uses)?
[16:25] <Mit123> Ummm, not sure, I have to admit, I just followed the link from ukhas site
[16:27] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Then probably not. Oh well. (It is NickServ. Sometime, try "/msg nickserv help" and look up the register and identify commands.)
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[16:56] <MrCraig> Success on the baud rate - with an understanding of why it wasn't working in the first place.
[16:57] <MrCraig> turns out, <110 baud rate doesn't work on a usb->rs232 cable, but does work on the native port.
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[17:01] <chembrow1> nice on MrCraig
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[17:03] <MrCraig> thanks :-) I wish it hadn't cost me so much time but I can move forwards again.
[17:04] <chembrow1> been there. spent 2 days fighting with a GPS only to discover the issue was an issue with a timer distrupting the software serial at baud rates above 4800
[17:04] <NigeyS> hey jcoxon, how's the back ?
[17:04] <MrCraig> hehe, it's all part of the 'fun'
[17:05] <jcoxon> NigeyS, improving
[17:05] <NigeyS> good good :D
[17:05] <jcoxon> been for a walk and taken some diclofenac
[17:05] <NigeyS> you slip a disc or something ?
[17:05] <jcoxon> i think its more a muscle spasm
[17:06] <NigeyS> ahh ouch, speedy recovery i hope :)
[17:06] <jcoxon> yeah i'll be fine by monday
[17:06] <NigeyS> :0 .. oh, did you see the GPS units mike has ?
[17:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:06] <jcoxon> i've used something very similar before
[17:07] <jcoxon> they are good modules
[17:07] <NigeyS> might grab 1 then, cant go wrong for £15
[17:07] <jcoxon> indeed
[17:07] <jcoxon> wonder where his supply is from
[17:08] <NigeyS> hmm not sure, looks like theyre not altitude limited ? specsheet only mentioned a velocity limit
[17:09] <jcoxon> its a ublox antaris 4 so shouldn't be
[17:09] <NigeyS> awsome!
[17:14] <NigeyS> first shots fired by the french in lybia :/
[17:14] <NigeyS> libya*
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[19:01] <jcoxon> shame whitestar aren't launching today
[19:01] <jcoxon> perfect time for me
[19:02] <NigeyS> think it's monday now isnt it ?
[19:02] <jcoxon> thats the plan
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[19:15] <NigeyS> jcoxon, thats a very african looking route .. not the best place to be right now :/
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello everybody
[19:32] <jcoxon> NigeyS, i personally think that africa is a better target then europe
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[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> kali spera m1x10
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon talking about transatlantic?
[19:33] <jcoxon> yes
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> but in africa the balloon will never be found probably
[19:33] <NigeyS> well, it's alot bigger...
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:33] <jcoxon> i'd be more worried about a ZP dragging through africa
[19:33] <jcoxon> i mean europe
[19:33] <jcoxon> lots of pylons etc
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> and Northern Africa is not so nice at the moment
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah true
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello NigeyS btw
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> status: crystals and box not here yet
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> next week it will be a month after I ordered the box
[19:37] <NigeyS> hey lunar, theyll turn up son
[19:37] <NigeyS> soon*
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> and I did it
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> I now watched all three BTTFs
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:38] <NigeyS> jcoxon, thats a fair point actually
[19:38] <NigeyS> what is the height of the envelope ?
[19:38] <jcoxon> hmmm why is my gps not playing fair with my flight computer
[19:39] <jcoxon> http://vimeo.com/2487441
[19:40] <NigeyS> nice and big then lol
[19:40] <m1x10> lol Lunar_Lander
[19:40] <m1x10> hi
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> how are you and your DeLorean?
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> sorry that I didn't send the mail yet
[19:44] <Dan-K2VOL> oh hi Lunar, launch day has shifted to monday likely
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool!
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> btwe
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> -e
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> "Doc: There's that word again: "heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?"
[19:45] <Dan-K2VOL> hahahahaha
[19:45] <NigeyS> hey dan
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Nigey
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> buenas dias
[19:46] <NigeyS> cruise missiles launched into libya
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> are you serious?
[19:46] <NigeyS> yups
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Cruise missiles are 'free'.
[19:46] <NigeyS> by u.s subs
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> There is no risk to precious US/UK lives.
[19:47] <NigeyS> im surprised how accurate they are
[19:47] <NigeyS> can go through a window of a house :|
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:47] Action: SpeedEvil closes the curtains.
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> and the rebels shot down a jet
[19:47] <NigeyS> theyre own jet :/
[19:47] <m1x10> oh plz no war here
[19:48] <m1x10> :(
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> well
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> the government jet
[19:48] Action: SpeedEvil tries to think if Greece has a land border with Lybia.
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> I'm going with no, at least at first guess.
[19:48] <NigeyS> dont think so
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I think it does border turkey.
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:49] <jcoxon> its a no to all of those
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[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> and macedonia, albania
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> and did I forget one?
[19:49] <jcoxon> oh we are talking about greece
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> that was in response to SpeedEvil
[19:50] <NigeyS> egypt, tunisia, chad, sudan, niger
[19:50] <NigeyS> have land borders
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:50] <NigeyS> oh and that rather large country called algeria..lol
[19:50] Action: SpeedEvil fails geography.
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> someone showed me this: http://asset.soup.io/asset/1595/6172_2ba7.jpeg
[19:51] <NigeyS> thats a list of countries to avoid btw Dan-K2VOL lol
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, as well as mauretania, mail and so on
[19:52] <jcoxon> grrrr whats wrong with this library!
[19:52] <NigeyS> gps probs still ?
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> how's the pic?
[19:52] <Dan-K2VOL> na nigeys
[19:52] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: you refered to macedonia as a country?
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:53] <Dan-K2VOL> if we get to africa, we may just cut down at the coast, to increase the liklihood of being ever found again
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> it is no country?
[19:53] <m1x10> eee
[19:53] <NigeyS> Dan-K2VOL, does the path allow for a cut down over the canaries ?
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> researching "macedonia"
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> please wait
[19:53] <m1x10> you have a big region in greece we call macedonia that is connected to alexander's II bio
[19:53] <m1x10> we have*
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> and that Republic of the same name?
[19:54] <m1x10> and there is also a neighboor country that claims that name
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> that one I meant
[19:54] <m1x10> belonging to ex-yugoslavia
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:55] <m1x10> Im not sure how yugoslavia is connected with ancient greek history
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> so why do they claim that name?
[19:55] <m1x10> its comples
[19:55] <m1x10> its complex
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:56] <m1x10> its propaganda
[19:56] <m1x10> its balkan matter
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> The notion of nation-states is kinda broken.
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> who of you has seen BTTF 3?
[19:57] <Dan-K2VOL> me Lunar, my favorite movies
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> I got that thing in my head now
[19:57] Action: SpeedEvil has a design for a hoverboard.
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> the 1955 doc brown and marty get the DeLorean from the cave
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> marty finds that doc was killed after writing the letter
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> so he decides to go back to 1885 and doc helps him
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> now, doc wrote that he should not come back to 1885
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> but when he goes back, the doc of 1955 knows that he goes back
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> I forget - is this the one with the silly train?
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> and he should know in 1985 and so on
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:58] <jcoxon> a little OT i think guys
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> BTTF has hoverboards and flying cars.
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Isn't roswell mentioned at one point?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know, sorry
[19:59] <m1x10> Lunar_Lander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> but jcoxon is right, we should talk about research
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks m1x10
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah the map is good
[20:00] <m1x10> jcoxon i sright
[20:01] <m1x10> jcoxon is right
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> I finally need to get info about how to do the temperature sensors right
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> but I can do it only when the box is here
[20:03] <m1x10> Im still waiting for the boards to com
[20:03] <m1x10> e
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> btw why are you using the frequency of 7.3 MHz?
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> in the quartz I mean
[20:05] <m1x10> yes
[20:06] <m1x10> 7.3mhz makes uart cam wark perfect at 115200 baud plus it makes the mcu run at 3v3 rather than 5v
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see
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[20:25] <NigeyS> ouch
[20:25] <NigeyS> 120 cruise missiles launched
[20:26] <russss> ah, something is happening
[20:26] <NigeyS> oh yes
[20:27] <NigeyS> mainly taking out the sam sites on the north coast
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[21:09] <joey_> Hello
[21:09] <Dan-K2VOL> Hello joey_
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL when I get back from my soup, I have some remarks about your solar shield
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> that came to my mind when I switched on the water boiler
[21:11] <Dan-K2VOL> oh?
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> but that will be in 10 minutes or so
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> but I can sai
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> say
[21:12] <Dan-K2VOL> haha ok
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> I think the shield will be fine
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:12] <Dan-K2VOL> without aspiration?
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> maybe yes
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> well I say it now
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> the soup will stay hot anyway
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> I remembered the flights of James Glaisher in 1862-66
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> he put polished silver cones on the bulbs of his thermometers
[21:13] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm like ours
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> but he also had a wooden board across the balloon's basket where he put all instruments on
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> and the sun heated the wood
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> and that reflected heat in below the shields
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> but your shield will have 9000 m of air below it
[21:14] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm no
[21:14] <Dan-K2VOL> it's inside the balloon envelope
[21:14] <Dan-K2VOL> the payload is below it
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> I thought your air temperature sensor has the shield
[21:14] <Dan-K2VOL> that has one too, and it's 20cm above the ballast bottle
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> let me think of that over my soup
[21:16] <Dan-K2VOL> well, enjoy, what kind
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> shrimps ramen
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I think it is ramen
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[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> how far is the sensor from the bottle?
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Lunar Lander
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[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> it's 20cm
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[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> and how is the arrangement? i.e. is the sensor pointing straight down?
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL1 got my question?
[22:05] <Dan-K2VOL1> just a sec
[22:06] <Dan-K2VOL1> 20 cm
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> and my second question was
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> a(22:59:30)<Lunar_Lander>and how is the arrangement? i.e. is the sensor pointing straight down?
[22:06] <Dan-K2VOL1> jsut sec, it's diagrammed
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> wb Dan-K2VOL
[22:17] <MrCraig> It's a unique feeling standing outside on the balcony in the freeezing cold at 10pm on a saterday night with a laptop and a breadboard and a trimble lassen iq - and it didn't lock on :-( Mobile phone got 10 sats but the trimble got nothin
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[22:19] <Dan-K2VOL> it's a surface mount temp sensor on a small vertical PCB
[22:20] <jcoxon> MrCraig, its a old gps
[22:20] <jcoxon> not terrible sensitive
[22:20] <Dan-K2VOL> here lunar_lander
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:22] <Dan-K2VOL> about to test hf antenna on video
[22:22] <MrCraig> jcoxon: I'll try her in a field tomorrow. Right now though I'm looking for the next step. My pic is correctly (almost) translating a string fired to it from the PC - but since I can't debug from the pc at two baud rates at once with the com ports - the next step is getting data through dl-fldigi
[22:23] <jcoxon> okay
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[22:23] <jcoxon> MrCraig, does your lassen have a backup battery? that really helps once you've got a lock for hte next time
[22:23] <MrCraig> jcoxon: I've not wired it up yet, but have the little button battery on standby to be soldered onto the board.
[22:24] <jcoxon> good good
[22:24] <jcoxon> what antenna are you using?
[22:24] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: Testing hf antenna #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/49234835692199936]
[22:25] <MrCraig> jcoxon: http://www.dpieshop.com/trimble-miniature-30v-unpackaged-gps-antenna-hfl-connector-5785900-replacement-p-234.html?osCsid=4f383a00138a5319c10a5bcc93dc7f76
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[22:28] <jcoxon> MrCraig, okay - that'll benefit from a ground plane
[22:28] <jcoxon> tin foil worked for me
[22:28] <jcoxon> basically the lassen is okay just you need to optimise it with a groundplane and backup battery
[22:29] <MrCraig> cool - and just so the neighbours really worry I'll put some on my head too lol
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL did you want to send me a link?
[22:29] Action: MrCraig won't really do that, but there is a video floating around on the internets.
[22:32] <MrCraig> jcoxon: appreciate the advice
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[22:40] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: I'm broadcasting #arhab live on #Ustream. Come watch and chat! 18:40 http://ustre.am/oIad [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/49238958768521216]
[22:41] <jcoxon> now that is interesting
[22:41] <jcoxon> gps works if i use an older version of the arduino ide
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL I got a suggestion
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> point the temp sensor a few degrees off the vertical
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> so that it doesn'T face the bottle
[22:44] <Dan-K2VOL> take a peek at the ustream
[22:44] <Dan-K2VOL> doing an HF test outdoors
[22:44] <Dan-K2VOL> http://ustre.am/oIad
[22:44] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, you guys going to fire up dl-fldigi :-p
[22:45] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, about to do that now!
[22:45] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> "off air"
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[23:04] <Dan-K2VOL> ok back on
[23:04] <Dan-K2VOL> low batt warning on the iphone
[23:04] <jcoxon> eek
[23:05] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, are you doing sat data as well?
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> about to
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> live from GPA
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> GPS
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> you can see the sat vertical dipole now attached
[23:05] <jcoxon> have you reset your launch epoch?
[23:05] <Dan-K2VOL> unlikely
[23:05] <jcoxon> yeah thats what reminded me
[23:06] <Dan-K2VOL> I don't have time to
[23:06] <jcoxon> no worries
[23:06] <jcoxon> i'll uncomment a section of the script
[23:06] <Dan-K2VOL> ok
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[23:07] <NigeyS> hey Bill :)
[23:07] <WB8ELK> Hi All
[23:08] <jcoxon> hey WB8ELK
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[23:08] <WB8ELK> Do they have it on an antenna at LVL1?
[23:08] <jcoxon> they are rigging it right now
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[23:08] <WB8ELK> Hey James....can you make an XML for KC5NXD...same format as my original WB8ELK XML?
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[23:10] <jcoxon> WB8ELK, done
[23:10] <jcoxon> right its on the map
[23:11] <jcoxon> looks like old data still
[23:17] <Zuph> So, using a dummy load, everything works okay. Transmitting into our real dipole (mounted non-optimally, just strung above the ground) with SWR of 1.5 results in FCPU resets.
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[23:17] <Zuph> FCPU is the only component which resets, no other CPUs on board reset. FCPU switches power to the HF Transmitter using a simple FET network.
[23:18] <Zuph> I think an RF choke might fix those problems.
[23:18] <jcoxon> oh wb8elk just left
[23:18] <Zuph> heh
[23:18] <jcoxon> expect he'll be back
[23:18] <Zuph> yeah, what luck
[23:18] <Zuph> Anyone else know anything about HF stuff? :-p
[23:18] <NigeyS> he's on mumble
[23:19] <Zuph> well I'm not :-p
[23:19] <NigeyS> :P
[23:21] <jcoxon> a SWR of 1.5 isn't too bad
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[23:42] <jcoxon> hey WB8ELK
[23:42] <jcoxon> i think they are having some issues with 'high' SWR
[23:43] <jcoxon> i quote:
[23:43] <jcoxon> <Zuph> So, using a dummy load, everything works okay. Transmitting into our real dipole (mounted non-optimally, just strung above the ground) with SWR of 1.5 results in FCPU resets.
[23:43] <jcoxon> <Zuph> FCPU is the only component which resets, no other CPUs on board reset. FCPU switches power to the HF Transmitter using a simple FET network.
[23:43] <jcoxon> <Zuph> I think an RF choke might fix those problems.
[23:45] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello WB8ELK
[23:57] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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